[00:49] evening, what did I miss today? [00:50] apachelogger: packagekit fork issue I did try to extent the timeout, there's a patch on the bug and packages in ~jr PPA, but seele still reported having the problem [00:50] no fix for updates which bring in new packages but that shouldn't be an issue for a stable release? [00:54] that mean i should try using kpackagekit again? i've been avoiding it because of the fork thing for a while... [00:58] maco: try using the packagekit update in ~jr PPA and see if that helps [00:59] kk [01:00] * Riddell snoozes [01:04] :( KPackageKit has "Apply all available updates", "History", "Package", and "Action" in English [01:05] and the policykit popup is all english [01:07] no errors! yay! [01:12] nixternal: Hi, to apply my changes to all HTML files, I would... ? [01:13] what changes? [01:28] nixternal: The theme. I need to add the rounding blurb to all the .html files... [01:29] so you need to add stuff to the part before and that's it? [01:29] that could easily be done by scripting [01:30] if you need to edit/add more, then that would have to be done somewhat manually [01:30] or...I could probably create a new xsl sheet to build docs against to prevent all of this work :) [01:31] Hmmm... probably easier for me just to write a small script. Thanks :) [01:32] yes, but an xsl for the future would be nicer [01:32] this is where externals in bzr would be nice [01:33] nixternal: Well, shall I get you the blurb to add? [01:39] nixternal: Here it is, http://pastebin.ca/1412859 === ejat is now known as e-jat [02:40] the buildds are sloooow still :( [02:40] my Qt sru isn't set to build for another 7 hours [02:42] JontheEchidna: Based on what I have heard in -release, SRUs have weird build priorities [02:44] where is the network package that needs testing? [02:44] my atheros is really sucking [02:45] SUCKING === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [09:05] apachelogger: ping === dpm_ is now known as dpm === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [12:36] JontheEchidna: did kubuntu_72_remove_startkde_cruft.diff go upstream? [12:37] apachelogger: did kubuntu_13_startkde_set_country.diff go upstream? (at least for discussion of the issue) [13:14] Riddell: nope, not as far as I know [13:14] JontheEchidna: regarding the intel issues would it be possible to include some of the older drivers from gutsy and intrepid so that intel gfx users have some choices [13:15] eagles0513875: there are ppas for that, which is about as good as it will get for now [13:15] ok [13:15] * eagles0513875 goes huting for the ppa with those drivers [13:28] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.5.0-0ubuntu4.1/+build/987442 [13:28] :( [13:29] JontheEchidna: think tsimpson is working on the bots [13:30] what about the bots? [13:31] he was revamping them or something recoding adn what not since the bots we had werent doing the trick he was recoding in ruby but i think hes finished and is working on another aspect of them [13:31] !hi [13:31] Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu-devel! [13:31] what does that have to do with anything, though? [13:31] I'm just saying that Qt4 has been in queue for 14 hours and still isn't ready for building yet [13:31] doesnt the bot normally even when linking display what hte bug is about i thought thats what the :( was for [13:31] ahhhhh my bad [13:31] misinterpreted the smiley and link [13:32] is there anything i can do to help facilitate the build [13:42] nope [13:43] ok [13:43] if there is anything for testing let me know [14:02] were there any app proposals for Karmic that i should begin reviewing? === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:41] http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2009/04/28/amarok-2-in-kubuntu-jaunty/ <- last comment says there are problems with the current amarok package in the ppa [14:41] JontheEchidna: apachelogger: can you please have a look? [14:41] or anyone else here who has time? [14:44] i keep getting notified that my hda intel sound card has stopped working or something similar is there a way to restart the sound system so sound works again without restarting? [14:48] wow just saw an interesting email on one of the local mailing lists. it's talking about kubuntu 10.4 (?) and how knetworkmanager (huh?) is broken in it === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [14:53] Nightrose: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa/+build/985608 Seems that it is not fully build atm, that might be the problem? [14:53] neversfelde: possible - build failure or just waiting? [14:53] Nightrose: only waiting [14:53] ok great [14:53] thanks [14:53] i'll let the guy know [14:54] build of i386 packages starts in 23 hours :) [14:56] I think the amarok-common package is not changed [15:02] Hiho [15:18] maco: it's a message from the future! We must bow down to our time travelling friends [15:19] ^_^ [15:24] * astromme just read the comments on the amarok post that lydia made. Yuck... I guess the trolls, having found no major issues with 4.2.2, have switched and latched on to amarok. /sigh [15:26] astromme: hehe yea - kinda sucks that we didn't get 2.1 ready for jaunty [15:26] that would have prevented a lot of it [15:26] but well [15:26] Nightrose: absolutely. But on the other hand, you can't rush these things [15:27] 2.1 release is soon and then hopefully most people will shut up [15:27] right [15:27] and 2.0 is a decent release. I was happy with it [15:27] :) [15:27] * astromme shrugs [15:27] btw: back from berlin again - will check out the current rtm applet when I am back home in a few hours [15:27] Nightrose: btw, pretty soon you won't have to build the rtm stuff any more :). It made it into kdeplasma-addons right before feature freeze [15:28] your screenshots look awesome [15:28] :) [15:28] \o/ [15:28] awesome [15:29] So for the next week or two I'm shifting totally to "Do well on my end of year uni exams" and then I'll have time to concentrate on kde again. heh [15:29] hehe good luck [15:44] Tonio_: seen qutecom? [15:44] just passed through New queue [15:45] Riddell: looked at the code... as messy as openwengo... still lots of openwengo references... [15:45] Riddell: I think there's a package on a ppa [15:45] well it's in the main archive now [15:46] Riddell: who got it in ? [15:46] Maia Kozheva [15:46] but I think it's in debian too according to changelog [15:51] That's LucidFox [15:56] Riddell: well I'll test it then... I must say I haven't been in using sip recently, as my new ISP doesn't have a sip service.... [15:56] Riddell: and as my current hobby is to search for a new job :) [15:57] Riddell: now 2 month before my contrat ends, so that's the very only priority :) [15:58] Riddell: there are probably plans for sip support within decibel, no ? [16:00] Riddell: but as we should forget about kcall I think, since it's unmaintained, maybe qutecom is finally what we should get on the CD... [16:01] Riddell: last time I tested it (arround 4 month ago) it looked to me as a quick openwengo fork, pretty unstable one for sure... [16:02] Riddell: which archives ? can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com [16:03] hum launchpad has it but not p.u.com.... weird... [16:04] Tonio_: I only just let it through new a few minutes ago [16:12] Riddell: ho right === mgraesslin__ is now known as mgraesslin [16:36] vorian: wake up! [16:40] morning to you to Riddell [16:41] apache needs a good poke his bots been in and out of a number of channels all day === _neversfelde is now known as neversfelde [16:56] evening fabo [16:59] what's the status? can I start merging? REVUing? sponsoring? [17:00] nixternal: merging you should be able to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KarmicKDEMerges [17:00] w00t [17:01] anything need to be done now? [17:01] nixternal: anything that doesn't have a name by it there [17:01] on wiki page above [17:01] roger that [17:01] plus all other other ones on merges.ubuntu.com [17:01] * nixternal starts adding his name [17:01] but I'm not uploading anything yet, mostly waiting on fabo to discuss qt and phonon [17:02] roger that [17:02] and if you see vorian about, he's needed for uploading 4.2.3 to a PPA [17:02] are the builds complete and tested for 4.2.3? are they somewhere that anyone can upload? or is it just on vorian? [17:03] as far as I know only vorian has them, can't see them in any PPA [17:03] btw anyone need anythign tested including 4.2.3 let me know :) [17:03] also i have a site with about 20 free books that i would like to possibly see in karmic too [17:07] nixternal: Hi, are you allowed to publish something for the fridge? [17:07] books don't tend to go in the archive unless they're developer books [17:09] neversfelde: yes [17:10] if it is a calendar/event item, anyone can publish that [17:10] Riddell: thats why i would like to link and see what yall think but i have to get back on mydesktop [17:10] and they are bout 20 books one is of ubuntu [17:10] nixternal: it is our interview with JontheEchidna, it would be nice to bring it to a larger audience [17:10] http://www.kubuntu-de.org/english/interview-with-kubuntu-developer-jonathan-thomas [17:11] i ready that i learned quite alot about the way things are done at canonical and with the ubuntu line [17:12] neversfelde: roger that, I will get that up for you, thanks [17:12] nixternal: nice :). Thank you [17:16] nixternal: no holding you back is there? :) [17:17] i think when it comes to the dedication to a distro i dont think there is holding anyone back [17:17] Riddell: nope :) [17:26] neversfelde: the story is sitting in the queue awaiting proofing and publishing [17:27] nixternal: thank you very much [17:27] no problemo [17:27] who will proof and publish? [17:27] the other news editors [17:27] Riddell: but iirc, you can do that as well :) [17:27] or you used to be able to [17:28] as it seems the news editors are busy either sleeping or with their personal life [17:28] want me to do it [17:29] im a minion so ill do anythign to help [17:29] well it needs an account, dunno if mine still exists [17:30] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/user has no username or password fieldn? [17:30] no, you login via OpenID now [17:30] through LP [17:30] and if you are on the news team you have access [17:30] I think [17:31] nixternal: ok, how do I view the queue? [17:31] just under the fridge logo up top, you should see your name, and under that "> administer"? [17:32] ooh I see it [17:32] "Interview with a Kubuntu Developer" ? [17:32] yup [17:32] all you have to do is publish it and set it to the front page iirc [17:33] Preview it, then set to "Published" and "Promotoed to front page" before clicking submit [17:33] approved! [17:33] woot [17:34] hrmm, I thought the first rule of the Kubuntu Ninja Club, is you don't talk about the Kubuntu Ninja Club [17:34] ;) [17:34] lol [17:34] well read what jon said if he tells ya he would have to kill ya === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === word_ is now known as word [17:51] hmm what's with REVU? [17:53] Riddell: are we dput'ing the merges now or just pushing them to bzr? [17:53] nixternal: I'm just putting them in bzr [17:53] roger that [17:54] since if we change phonon everything will need a recompile anyway [17:54] but 4.3 beta is out tomorrow or sometime soon so I may just start uploading at some point [17:56] gotcha [17:56] nixternal, Riddell: thanks for publishing [18:00] np [18:03] Riddell: what are we doing about the changes in control for the kfreebsd stuff? are we merging those in to our stuff? [18:03] ill keep a look out for 4.3 to start testing [18:04] nixternal: yes, no reason not to [18:04] groovy, just wanted to make sure [18:06] * smarter just noticed that he was still using amarok-kde4 [18:07] guess amarok needs a transitional dummy package [18:07] Riddell: re packagekit new package issue ... it is a problem in a release because of backports [18:07] apachelogger: not sure if you are aware yoru bot was in and outa here all morning in a number of channels [18:08] Riddell: re set_country patch: not sent upstream, not discussed, though I have been told that suse uses a quite similar approach so one way or another upstream should find a way to do this, especially since it has to be patched in about every distro that cares about l10n [18:09] smarter: the package should recommend the actual package right? [18:09] more like depend on it [18:10] Riddell: come to think of it, our implementation actually doesn't care if the system language was changed ... granted there is a limited use case to that (e.g. when someone moves from _DE to _US) ... but still a dynamic handling as applied for the actually language would be good to have [18:11] apachelogger: heya, do you know that amarok2.1 from k-e is uninstallable? :] [18:11] amarok: Depends: amarok-common (= 2:2.0.90mysql5.1.30-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa2) but it is not installable [18:12] Nightrose: that issue is bogus ... -common is arch all thus getting built on i386, with that having an approx 600 packages long build queue -common was not built before the other arches (i.e. amd and lpia) had built amarok thus the dependency issue which will/has autoresolve(d) once i386 finished building [18:13] apachelogger: heh - alright - thanks [18:13] smarter: use a sensible arch :P [18:13] x86 never made any sense really :} [18:14] smarter: did you push the ext4 patch of kvpm upstream? [18:14] certainly hope so :P [18:14] hmm, no, still on my todo list, I was in contact with upstream for some time but either the guy disappeared or he didn't get my last few mails :/ [18:15] * smarter put higher in the Notes applet on his desktop [18:15] *puts it [18:15] smarter++ [18:15] <----- upstream minion and testing minion. anything i can help upstream wise smarter [18:15] hey eagles0513875 [18:16] hey smarter [18:16] eagles0513875: didn't know, all jussi01's fault anyway ... unless someone found a crash bug in the bot and triggered it various times [18:16] eagles0513875: nothing that I can think of atm :p [18:16] apachelogger: it was randomly joining then leaving then reconnecting then leaving [18:16] whats my fault? [18:16] hahahaha [18:16] :D [18:16] jussi01: apachelogger's bot coming in and out constantly this am [18:17] * apachelogger notes that this am is a quite relative statement [18:17] this am cet time [18:17] just imagine an aussie saying that :P [18:17] lol [18:17] apache thought you were on strike till thursday :p [18:17] Nightrose: still not built btw [18:17] apachelogger: I corrected plasma-widget-stasks, it is now using pkg-kde-tools. Can you sponsor it to upload? bug 371906 [18:17] Launchpad bug 371906 in plasma-widget-stasks "plasma-widget-stasks should use pkg-kde-tools" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371906 [18:17] Nightrose: are the script bindings working yet? [18:18] neversfelde: I am on strike! [18:18] hahahah [18:18] thats my fault neversfelde shouldnt have said anything [18:18] JontheEchidna: ̂ [18:18] wait, what? plasma widgets now use pkg-kde-tools? [18:18] JontheEchidna: go sponsor [18:18] JontheEchidna: and find mer a priate minion! [18:18] and how are you on strike apach if you sent out an email re translations and are workign in here [18:18] <---minion here [18:18] apachelogger: Ian fixed something yesterday yes [18:18] apachelogger: Reporting captain, arrr! [18:18] apachelogger: oh no, aren't you working for the government in austria? [18:18] neversfelde, JontheEchidna: actually dislike that change [18:19] neversfelde: you shoudl apply it when $next upstream release gets out [18:19] * Quintasan sighs [18:19] there is no need for it to be uploaded just with that change [18:19] apachelogger: mhh ok [18:19] neversfelde: on a kubuntu strike [18:20] in case you are interested, Canonical DX team is holding a meeting on #ayatana right now [18:20] apachelogger: but new plasmoid packages should use it by default? [18:20] Quintasan: all new KDE 4 packages [18:20] that includes plasmoids [18:20] ok [18:20] thanks [18:21] apachelogger: I think it is a general strike prohibition :) [18:21] nielsslot: Estimated build start: [18:21] in 21 hours [18:21] Nightrose: ̂ [18:21] nielsslot: sry [18:21] neversfelde: nope [18:21] apachelogger: anything i can do to help facilitate any of this building [18:21] neversfelde: plus technically I am not working for the government [18:21] pffft 21h? get more build servers!!!!1111eleven [18:22] Nightrose: tell whoever is in charge of them [18:22] ;-) [18:22] hello Nightrose! [18:22] <--if i can get wubi ill contribute my quad core desktop to the equation of buildserver [18:22] heya jussi01 [18:22] * apachelogger notes that the estimated time was 12 hours or something [18:22] that was yesterday afternoon [18:22] Oo [18:22] apachelogger: you using jussi01.com or ubottu.com (I always forget) [18:22] so it actually went up while it should have been built for roughly half a day :P [18:22] jussi01: the former I think [18:23] kdeaccessibility was easy, no merge needed :) [18:23] apachelogger: ok, thats good. it had some network issues earlier, all fixed now [18:23] ok [18:25] jussi01: thats what i was telling him bout [18:25] jussi01: the bot on off issue [18:25] what to to, if a package is waiting for reviewing and there is a new upstream version. Shall I do a normal update of the package and reupload to revu or is that confusing? [18:26] neversfelde: just replace what is in revu [18:26] but don't change the changelog or anything [18:26] ok [18:27] Hmm, what should I put in debian/copyright if upstream dood provided his nickname only? [18:28] Quintasan: try to hunt him down :] [18:28] hmm name is in his mail [18:29] google is your friend most of the time to get name/mail from nick/mail/name [18:35] http://lechio.freehostia.com/daisy.html [18:35] looks intresting [18:35] Quintasan: I am currently working on it [18:36] hm? I already have it :P [18:36] Quintasan: 0.0.2 is up in revu and I am updating [18:36] hmm ok [18:37] are you working on any other plasmoids? [18:37] I don't think I want to do something done already [18:37] * eagles0513875 here to test if needed [18:37] Quintasan: have a look at launchpad, there should be a [needs-packaging] bug, when someone is working on a package [18:38] I just learned yesterday :) [18:38] I'm just looking at those :P [18:39] Quintasan: not sure if you want to package an updated svn snapshot of kvirc 4.0 [18:40] the snap shot currently in jaunty is from the beginning of march [18:40] eagles0513875: ok [18:40] let me know when you have packaged it :) willing to update what i got to test === hunger_ is now known as hunger [18:44] * Quintasan just remembered that he has some yummy cake in the fridge [18:52] neversfelde: got a deb package for daisy? [18:53] Quintasan: sure, but be careful, it is not reviewed yet and the software seems to be a bit buggy [18:53] i386? [18:54] neversfelde: I don't care :P I can bork m4h system even without installing experimental packages [18:54] amd64 [18:54] Quintasan: than you have to build it by yourself [18:54] :< [18:54] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-daisy [18:55] PPA build would not be ready until sunday, I guess^^ [18:55] aah [18:55] sync from debian? [18:56] there is no debian package? [18:58] nvm, just my babbling :P [18:59] Riddell: should I do an MIR on libindi for kstars? [19:00] hum [19:00] it's already been in main [19:00] it was part of kdeedu [19:00] so it shouldn't need one [19:00] it is in universe, indi 0.5 is in main [19:01] and according to bug reports, doesn't work with kstars [19:01] bug 359517 [19:01] Launchpad bug 359517 in kdeedu "kstars does not support indi" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359517 [19:02] we need to get the right libindi in main :) [19:03] right, and by deping on indi (>= 0.5) and kstars not working with it, but works with libindi0 (>= 0.6), I would say libindi0 is the *right* one [19:03] nixternal: it surely is ... nobody know how that indi package ended up in main [19:03] if you build kde from trunk, and install the indi package, it still says it can't find the right package, but if you use libindi0, then it works fine [19:04] nixternal: true ... known [19:04] i think because indi sounded more promising than libindi :) [19:04] thought I would have been looking for libindi*-dev [19:04] nixternal: but the question is if we need a new MIR (as it is just a new version) or can get them exchanged [19:05] (or indi probably needs to die if it has no rdepends) [19:05] libindi is a new version packaged correctly [19:05] exactly :) [19:05] kstars is the only rdep on indi [19:06] and libindi is the correct rdep on the other indi packages [19:06] so who do we need to ask to get the right libindi in, and the wrong indi out... [19:07] change-override.py -c main -S libindi done [19:07] there you go :) [19:07] was just going to point to any archive admin [19:07] didn't want to single Riddell out though :) [19:07] hehe [19:07] nice :) [19:08] Riddell: you didn't run that for real though right? [19:08] hehe [19:09] vorian: when you go to put 4.2.3 in the PPA, can you make sure that kstars deps on libindi instead of indi, so I will be able to put a bug to rest and make people happy [19:12] nixternal: we want to put 4.2.3 in updates ... so don't know if we want to do that; but in a seperate PPA, we for sure need that [19:12] nixternal: libindi is in Universe for Jaunty, so that's a problem. [19:12] ScottK: even for the PPAs? [19:13] oh, didn't know it was going to updates, so strike that vorian :) [19:13] yeah. [19:17] nixternal: with the new PPA structure the 4.2.3 will end up in the updates-ppa, but we could probably do the w/libindi version in the experimental-ppa [19:17] right [19:19] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame <-- anyone? [19:23] * JontheEchidna takes a look at the above [19:24] Quintasan: needs to use pkg-kde-tools rather than kde4.mk, but other than that it looks fine [19:25] also you can use a standards-version of 3.8.1 if you want to [19:25] JontheEchidna: so I'll change it :3 [19:27] debian-qt-kde.mk <-- this one? [19:27] ya [19:29] er [19:29] * JontheEchidna double checks [19:30] yeah, that's right [19:30] k, testbuilding now [19:31] how does everyone feel on me building an updated snapshot of kvirc 4.0 to update the one in jaunty repos [19:32] eagles0513875: I'm working on it. Some patches don't apply :P [19:32] ahhh ok Quintasan according to the about kvirc build info the one in the repos was build on 7th march almost 3 months old [19:33] /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/1/debian-qt-kde.mk:1: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk: No such file or directory [19:33] wth? [19:33] I still need cdbs in build deps? [19:34] yeah, definitely [19:34] ah, good to know [19:34] if it built, linitan would whine at you too :P [19:36] hey guys, im kinda confused by something. why does quassel only have 7 strings total in rosetta? [19:36] JontheEchidna: it whines at me at every time I build something :P [19:36] -at [19:45] JontheEchidna: check it now if you can :) [19:46] 20:33 < Quintasan> I still need cdbs in build deps? [19:46] fabo: ? [19:46] because you used pkg-kde-tools cdbs stuff [19:47] ok, I just though it's meant to replace cdbs :P [19:47] you can use debhelper only if you want [19:47] (with pkg-kde-tools) [19:48] include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/variables.mk [19:49] nixternal: yes I ran it for real [19:49] fabo: soo, going to look at qt and phonon? [19:49] Riddell: I replied on release and cc'ed you [19:49] it seems fine to use phonon from QT [19:51] hmm [19:51] I'm going to get some sleep [19:51] night [19:51] good night [19:52] apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5663 === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:54] Quintasan: let me know when kvirc is ready to go and ill begin testing the newer snapshot :) [20:25] apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5664 === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === barteqx is now known as siekacz [22:52] oops, merged kdenetwork, not kdemultimedia...now I have another one to add to my todo list :) [23:44] Looks like akonadi needs another merge === maco_ is now known as maco [23:58] hrmm, there are patches in kdemultimedia that were never documented in the changelog [23:59] hrmm, all of the patches are undocumented