[00:12] <BUGabundo> need a Pidgin user (or just about anyone who want to help) to test me a bug
[00:12] <BUGabundo> on 9.10 of course
[00:25] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, im in
[00:25] <billybigrigger> Pidgin 2.5.5
[00:26] <billybigrigger> oops, nvmd, thought that read 9.04 and then seen what channel i was in :P
[00:26] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: np. maybe you can confirm it non the less
[00:27] <billybigrigger> lets try
[00:27] <BUGabundo> $ gdb --args pidgin -n -m -c /tmp/122
[00:27] <BUGabundo> create a NEW profile, added a single XMPP account, enabled MyStatusBox, changed avatar, got a crash.
[00:28] <billybigrigger> what protocol is xmpp?
[00:28] <billybigrigger> i need a new xmpp account i take it
[00:28] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: its jabber
[00:28] <BUGabundo> just add fake data
[00:29] <billybigrigger> you want me to run that command first
[00:29] <billybigrigger> ?
[00:30] <billybigrigger> k your asking the wrong person :P
[00:30] <billybigrigger> i can find anything to do with mystatusbox, its not a plugin is it? cause i dont have it listed
[00:32] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: if you can
[00:32] <BUGabundo> that just makes pidgin start a new profile
[00:32] <BUGabundo> so its CLEAN
[00:33] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: you may need to install pidgin-plugin-pack
[00:33] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install pidgin-plugin-pack
[00:39] <ienorand> BUGabundo: (no debugging symbols found)
[00:40] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install pidgin-gdb
[00:41] <ienorand> And I'm on 9.04 as well, not ready for the leap... (or rather, have no extra usb-stick to try it out on...)
[00:41] <BUGabundo> ienorand: try it on HD with KVM
[00:41] <ienorand> BUGabundo: might that package only be in Karmic?
[00:42] <BUGabundo> nope
[00:43] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Also, exams are coming up, so I'm kinda deferring that amount of tinkering 'til afterwards...
[00:43] <ienorand> BUGabundo: ah it whas pidgin-dbg not gdb
[00:44] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:44] <BUGabundo> 1am typo
[00:47] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/MADJpg << that's confirmed then? (hangs as soon as open button pressed in browser)
[00:49] <BUGabundo> ienorand: yep
[00:51] <ienorand> That's a funky way to crash an app, is there a bug on this?
[00:52] <BUGabundo> ienorand: still have it running?
[00:53] <BUGabundo> if so, type bt full
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and copy the all thing to bug 371898
[00:54] <BUGabundo> and $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[00:55] <BUGabundo> ienorand: ping
[00:55] <ienorand> BUGabundo: do I want to continue after bt full or has it dumped eferythin necessary?
[00:56] <BUGabundo> keep pressing Enter
[00:57] <BUGabundo> until its all done
[00:59] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Hmm I need to learn gdb someday... and do I just quit then, does gdb save log automatically, where?
[00:59] <BUGabundo> ienorand: it doesn't save
[00:59] <BUGabundo> just copy from TTY to the bug
[00:59] <BUGabundo> and don't forget
[00:59] <BUGabundo> and $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[01:03] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Best to add as comment or attachment?
[01:04] <BUGabundo> attac
[01:14] <ienorand> Let's see if that worked, still not found a really effective way to interact with lp.
[01:16] <BUGabundo> ienorand: you forgot the version...
[01:16] <BUGabundo> ienorand:  $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
[01:16] <BUGabundo> oh its attached
[01:16] <BUGabundo> oka
[01:17] <kklimonda> hmm.. is there any way to test mail interface for LP without spamming database?
[01:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no
[01:17] <BUGabundo> stagging doesn't accept email
[01:18] <BUGabundo> but you can test it
[01:18] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:18] <kklimonda> crap, that what I was "arfraid" of ;)
[01:18] <BUGabundo> I doub staggind.lp.net as MX records
[01:18] <kklimonda> Maybe I'll just spam bug #1 ;)
[01:18] <kklimonda> :D
[01:18] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you are not the 1st....
[01:18] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Isn't there a non-persistent test section of lp?
[01:19] <BUGabundo> ienorand: yep. its called stagging.launchpad.net
[01:19] <BUGabundo>  !stagging
[01:19] <kklimonda> staging has MX record..
[01:20] <kklimonda> I'll ask @ #launchpad
[01:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[01:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: let me know after
[01:21] <BUGabundo> last time I asked, they said no
[01:21] <kklimonda> what is mail address ?
[01:21] <kklimonda> now someone said "i think so" ;)
[01:22] <BUGabundo> humm something like new@bugs.stagging.lp.net ?
[01:22] <Pici> staging
[01:22] <BUGabundo> lol
[01:22] <BUGabundo> 1:30 am typo
[01:23] <kklimonda> 1:30 AM? it's still early ;)
[01:23] <kklimonda> It's already 2:30 here ;)
[01:23] <BUGabundo> not for someone who gets up at 7am
[01:23] <kklimonda> hehe
[01:26] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: just spammed #1 on staging
[01:33] <ienorand> Yea, seems like at least comment work though email on staging...
[01:48]  * ienorand wonders what's going to happen with the whole update-notification thing... The bug report is still going hot.
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I don't even read it any more
[01:48] <BUGabundo> 98 unread emails there
[01:48] <kklimonda> :D
[01:49] <kklimonda> which one is it?
[01:49] <ienorand> Bug #332945
[01:51] <ienorand> Yea, pretty much everything is said by now, and notable is that there is a constant inflow of _new_ commenters and dupes.
[01:52] <BUGabundo> its DXs worse night mare
[01:55] <ienorand> Of all the things they could've removed, they took away the stone of scone
[01:57] <BUGabundo> bed time
[01:57] <BUGabundo> see you tommorow
[06:59] <lanoxx-> hey, im always wondering why is the tux-button not utilized by default? like tux+E to open nautilus or tux+L to lock the screen
[07:06] <crdlb> lanoxx-: partly because not everybody has such a key, and partly because maic keybindings like that are not really usable (you can set them if you want them, but they're not discoverable)
[07:08] <Tefad> i don't have a tux key or a win key
[07:08] <Tefad> Model M represent.
[07:08] <crdlb> thinkpad :>
[07:09] <crdlb> though I did map caps lock to super
[07:09] <Tefad> IBM ftw?
[07:09] <lanoxx-> crdlb, you mean those keys are not automatically discovered by xev?
[07:09] <crdlb> huh?
[07:09] <Tefad> .. what keys?
[07:09] <Tefad> they literally aren't on the keyboard
[07:10] <crdlb> if a keyboard doesn't have a Super (mod4) key, then there's nothing you can do other than map a substitute to it
[07:10] <Tefad> i typically use right ctrl
[07:11] <lanoxx-> i have a win key, but i rather like to think of it as a tux key
[07:11] <crdlb> just call it super
[07:12] <crdlb> it's also the crazy symbol key on apple keyboards
[07:12] <Tefad> the apple logo?
[07:12] <Tefad> oh, command
[07:12] <Tefad> sort of like an octothorpe but more like a cloverleaf.
[07:13] <lanoxx-> wouldnt it be possible to discover the difference between a pc keyboard and a mac keyboards? doesnt the keyboard send some unique identifier or something?
[07:14] <Tefad> lanoxx-: huh?
[07:14] <Tefad> the keycodes are the same iirc. but the physical location varies slightly
[07:14] <lanoxx-> so then if we know the are on a pc keyboard we could configure the super/tux/win key
[07:14] <crdlb> lanoxx-: you're missing the point
[07:14] <Tefad> option(alt) and command are swapped.
[07:14] <crdlb> super does work on mac keyboards
[07:15] <Tefad> lemonade: the point we're trying to get through to you is that some keyboards lack a super key all together
[07:15] <lanoxx-> Tefad, i just mean because crdlb said on a mac keyboard its not usefull to configure the super key and thus it wouldnt be feasible to configure them
[07:15] <Tefad> such as my trusty IBM Model M.
[07:15] <Tefad> huh?
[07:16] <Tefad> lanoxx-: i suggest you reread your chat buffer.
[07:20] <lanoxx-> thats right, but then one can still fallback to ctrl+alt, or not?
[07:20] <Tefad> ctrl+alt is actually used for things too
[07:21] <Tefad> example in inkscape ctrl+alt+v copies in-place
[07:21] <lanoxx-> i know, just the super key not, btw i just tried to configure super(mod4)+E to open nautilus (home folder) in the gnome keyboard shortcuts menu
[07:21] <Tefad> that should work
[07:22] <lanoxx-> it doesnt work though, instead the windows align on the screen in a mac fashion style
[07:22] <Tefad> that has to do with your compositor
[07:22] <Tefad> it's stealing the hotkey
[07:22] <crdlb> yes, compiz gets super+e by default
[07:22] <lanoxx-> i guess so, where are the settings made in gnome?
[07:23] <lanoxx-> im just running on the normal level of effects
[07:23] <crdlb> but ubuntu seems to have patched things to get those options right there in the keyboard shortcuts dialog
[07:23] <lanoxx-> hmm, when was that change introduced?
[07:23] <crdlb> it's the last row in the Desktop category
[07:28] <lanoxx-> hmm, how do i set it do disabled?
[07:28] <crdlb> lanoxx-: try reading :P
[07:28] <lanoxx-> oh right
[07:28] <lanoxx-> haha
[07:28] <crdlb> it's only one sentence
[07:33] <lanoxx-> yeah, anyway still doesnt work, the compositing stuff is switched off now, but the home folder will still not open
[07:34] <crdlb> worksforme :)
[07:34] <crdlb> maybe karmic is broken :P
[07:35] <lanoxx-> im on intrepid actually
[07:35]  * crdlb coughs
[08:13] <nymtar> hi there, i have a problem with my thinkpad r60 and jaunty, the middle scroll isnt working, someone can help please?
[08:16] <thekorn> nymtar, better ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-de, we already switched to karmic here ;)
[08:17] <nymtar> thats fast :D
[08:17] <nymtar> kthxbye
[08:22] <isaac> uhm, kvm doesn't seem to work with karmic's kernel, anyone knows anything?
[08:25] <isaac> uhm, weird, my hardy image boots up, but my jaunty ones don't :(
[12:21] <mib_c8pp57> hi so is karmic crashign for anyone?
[12:23] <dns53> karmic will be released in october, don't expect anything to work till september
[12:24] <mib_c8pp57> dns53: actuaaly one shouldnt expect it to work till oct maybe even latr ;-)
[12:25] <dns53> the first alphas sometimes work
[12:25] <SwedeMike> yeah, I used jaunty since alpha 1 or 2 and it only broke two times until being released
[12:26] <mib_c8pp57> nyone here with a nokia n73 able to use it as a music player in karmic with rythmbox to add or remove songs?
[12:26] <dns53> how does it connect usb as a mass storage? mtp? bluetooth?
[12:27] <mib_c8pp57> when connecting the phone gives u a menu to choose from
[12:27] <mib_c8pp57> mass storage works
[12:27] <mib_c8pp57> i want to use it as a music device i think mtp is for that
[12:27] <mib_c8pp57> right
[12:28] <mib_c8pp57> when i do that it doesnt seem to work properly sometimes no respons/no change
[12:28] <mib_c8pp57> sometimes rhtyhmbox crashes
[12:28] <mib_c8pp57> any one else have this?
[12:29] <dns53> so nothing shows up?  it works for a bit then crashes?
[12:29] <mib_c8pp57> it doesnt show up just crashes
[12:29] <mib_c8pp57> doesnt work for a bit
[12:30] <dns53> do the command line mtp tools work?
[12:30] <mib_c8pp57> what is the empathy version for karmic right now?
[12:30] <mib_c8pp57> dns53: what commd line tools havent tried any
[12:32] <dns53> mtp-tools has a set of commands like mtp-detect
[12:33] <mib_c8pp57> dns53: have u ever successfully used any mtp device on ubuntu?
[12:34] <dns53> not yet, my sansa m250 is not supported but the m240 is so i'll try and see what changes i need to get that device working
[12:40] <mib_c8pp57> dns53: ok best of luck
[16:58] <DanaG> changelog in alacarte: Version 0.11.10-1ubuntu1:   * Merge from debian unstable (LP: #371280), remaining changes:
[16:58] <DanaG> !bug 371280
[16:58] <DanaG> Doesn't seem like the right bug number in that one.
[16:58] <Pici> Indeed
[17:10] <Unggnu> hi all
[17:10] <Unggnu> Is it possible that pulse is broken in Karmic?
[17:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:14] <charlie-tca> Karmic is just getting started. It is possible everything is broken
[17:14] <Unggnu> :)
[17:14] <Unggnu> You know or you guess
[17:14] <Unggnu> with Pulse
[17:17] <charlie-tca> You asked if it is possible. The answer is yes, it is possible.
[17:17] <Unggnu> Man, you know what I mean ;)
[17:17] <Unggnu> everything is possible :-D
[17:41] <DanielRM> How do I go about reporting a packaging bug for Karmic? Is it just a matter of tagging it with [karmic] at the beginning of the bug title?
[17:41] <DanielRM> I've reported bugs before but only for stable releases, so I don't know if there's a special procedure.
[17:42] <Pici> DanielRM: Aparrently they don't like for us to put [releasename] in the bug report names.
[17:43] <DanielRM> Pici: I just noticed a bug report in which someone changed one without a release name to one with... Any idea what the proper procedure is? :(
[17:44] <DanielRM> I've edited the control file to fix it; just really a case of bringing it to attention now.
[17:44] <Pici> DanielRM: I think just including the release name in the bug description is enough
[17:45] <DanielRM> Pici: I'll give that a try then. Thanks. :)
[17:45] <Pici> DanielRM: #ubuntu-bugs might have a more concise answer than I do though
[17:54] <BUGabundo> hu
[17:54] <BUGabundo> *hi
[17:54] <BUGabundo> don't you guys hate regressions?
[17:54] <BUGabundo> grrr
[17:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ping
[17:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: so does staging accept email? I can't confirm it
[17:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: doesn't seem like it does
[17:55] <BUGabundo> hehe
[17:55] <BUGabundo> but indeed it does have MXs
[17:57] <ienorand> I was able to put a mailed comment on staging before...
[17:59] <DanielRM> Report made.
[17:59] <DanielRM> Pici: thanks for the help.
[18:02] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I can't! and I tried once in the past, and last night again
[18:05] <ienorand> BUGabundo: I managed to get one on https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/meshwork/+bug/2028 last night when you were discussing it...
[18:05] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I'll email that but too NOW
[18:06] <ienorand> I'm spamming it as well...
[18:06] <BUGabundo> huuuu kmail crash
[18:06] <BUGabundo> there we go again
[18:07] <BUGabundo> another 5 months running it on gdb
[18:08] <Unggnu> BUGabundo: use apport :)
[18:08] <BUGabundo> ienorand: emailing 2028@bugs.staging.launchpad.net ?
[18:08] <BUGabundo> Unggnu: not to find WHY its crashing
[18:08] <ienorand> BUGabundo: yup.
[18:08] <BUGabundo> usually its kde libs not matching
[18:08] <Unggnu> ok
[18:08] <BUGabundo> ienorand: sent
[18:10] <BUGabundo> luckly one of my hardy bugs was fixed on jaunty
[18:10] <BUGabundo> grr  on karmic
[18:10] <BUGabundo> but now i have 2 crashs and one regression
[18:11] <BUGabundo> ienorand: my email simply doesn't get there
[18:11] <ienorand> BUGabundo: It's there
[18:11] <BUGabundo> not when I check
[18:11] <BUGabundo> 2 secs ago
[18:11]  * BUGabundo ctr+f5ing it
[18:12] <BUGabundo> ahhhh I SEE ITTTT
[18:12] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I'll take it back... _some times_ it works
[18:13] <kklimonda> :)
[18:25] <BUGabundo> WOOT compiz is back on my nvidia and karmic
[18:27] <kklimonda> heh ;)
[18:37] <skyjumper> is it normal for a system to seem frozen while swapping?
[18:37] <skyjumper> or during any heavy disk access
[18:38] <DanielRM> skyjumper: normal, yes.
[18:38] <DanielRM> skyjumper: desirable, obviously not.
[18:39] <DanielRM> skyjumper: I found that changing the I/O scheduler in the boot options helped.
[18:39] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: some apps do!
[18:39] <skyjumper> DanielRM: which one do like best?
[18:40] <DanielRM> skyjumper: I use elevator=deadline
[18:41] <DanielRM> skyjumper: I got that after reading a Red Hat article on the schedulers available; it seemed like the best choice for a desktop system.
[18:41] <DanielRM> skyjumper: it still slows quite a bit but not as bad as it used to.
[18:42] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: deadline? that's bad
[18:42] <BUGabundo> that's close to RT
[18:43] <BUGabundo> most apps will hog the system like that
[18:45] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: you mean in terms of throughput?
[18:45] <skyjumper> i wonder if lvm could be causing more latency
[18:46] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: shouldn't
[18:46] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: not only
[18:47] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: what else? It minimises latency, or at least aims to. I can't think of much else that's important.
[18:47] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: I'm asking only as someone with minimal knowledge, by the way; I'm not challenging you, just genuinely curious. :)
[18:48] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: well its great for sigle or very few apps
[18:48] <BUGabundo> and that need to be done NOW
[18:48] <BUGabundo> when using many apps at same time, like I have now
[18:48] <BUGabundo> it will be worse
[18:49] <BUGabundo> 'cause it will try to make all of them be below deadline for each
[18:49] <skyjumper> also looks like you can set the scheduler per-device
[18:49] <BUGabundo> and won't be able on most systems
[18:50] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: I can't imagine most desktop users will be running very many disk I/O intensive apps though.
[18:52] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: pidgin alone with some disk to disk copy or torrents finishing will make o remove that sentence
[18:52] <BUGabundo> pidgin is very IO sensible
[18:53] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: I've never experienced that with quite a few torrents going, although this is obviously a case of YMMV; I can't speak for Pidgin because I don't use it.
[18:53] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: also how fast your disks are makes a diff
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I'm on a 320GBs 8MiBs cache 5400RPMs laptop
[18:54] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: an old laptop HDD, not sure of the exact speed. Not particularly fast.
[18:54] <BUGabundo> try a dd on it
[18:55] <DanielRM> About 22 megs/s, which fits in with most writes I've done when moving files from an EHD.
[18:56] <DanielRM> Although it usually slows down after some time to hover around 19 megs/s.
[18:56] <BUGabundo> there's this really nice tool to really test it
[18:56] <BUGabundo> but I keep forgeting the name
[18:57] <BUGabundo> bonnie++
[18:57] <DanielRM> Ah, I think Phoronix often use that.
[18:57] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: ienorand: kklimonda: run and pastebin this $ sudo hdparm -F -i -I -t -T --verbose /dev/sda
[18:58] <DanielRM> Oh, I didn't know hdparm could test speeds.
[18:58] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/f67104524
[18:59] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: that's why I'm letting you know
[19:00] <DanielRM> http://pastebin.com/d2624d55
[19:00] <BUGabundo> SG_IO: desc[] = {09 0c .. }
[19:00] <BUGabundo>       ATA_16 tf->status=0x50 tf->error=0x00
[19:00] <BUGabundo> this can't be good !!!
[19:01] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: I get the same.
[19:01] <BUGabundo> never saw it before
[19:02] <ienorand> main drive: http://pastebin.com/f4e835922    usb drive running ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/f1e3fe5a4 << seems like I'll have to go for another fsck...
[19:02] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/165040/
[19:02] <DanielRM> And I've got to go now.
[19:02] <BUGabundo> why do you guys use pastebin.com and not paste.ubuntu.com ?
[19:02] <ienorand> BUGabundo: pastebinit deafault :P
[19:02] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: force of habit.
[19:02] <BUGabundo> ahh
[19:03] <BUGabundo> I made an alias for it
[19:03] <BUGabundo> alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com'
[19:03] <DanielRM> Hmmm, that's a good point.
[19:03] <DanielRM> I don't have pastebinit installed on this system.
[19:03] <BUGabundo> DanielRM: that's a SLOWWWW disk
[19:03] <DanielRM> BUGabundo: I did say. :)
[19:04] <BUGabundo> and kklimonda has a fast one!
[19:04] <kklimonda> i do? :)
[19:04] <ienorand> BUGabundo: well, I've not used pastebinit enough to bother, and I also use mibbits dito quite a lot, since it's quick and easy...
[19:04] <BUGabundo> ohhhh ienorand what's that? 2.8M/s
[19:05] <DanielRM> Anyway, going now.
[19:05] <DanielRM> Speak later.
[19:05] <ienorand> BUGabundo: failing usb stick?
[19:08] <ienorand> BUGabundo: where do you see the 2.8 ?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> ienorand: on one of the pastebins
[19:09] <ienorand> I must be blind then...
[19:15] <ienorand> BUGabundo: You must be playing my mind here, 24mb/s is the only thing  there *_*
[19:16] <BUGabundo> ienorand: ~2.8... 2.77 something
[19:16] <skyjumper> this system's been swapping (unusable) for the past 7 minutes nonstop, while the panel's memory widget shows about 1/4 of the ram as cache
[19:16] <skyjumper> this can't possibly be normal?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I should sleep more
[19:17] <BUGabundo> it was " 2838 MB"
[19:17] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: that's should be a memory leak
[19:17] <BUGabundo> skyjumper: install and run $ sudo atop 2
[19:17] <skyjumper> a leak in the kernel?
[19:17] <BUGabundo> then press 'm'
[19:18] <ienorand> BUGabundo: stop scaring me like that :P
[19:20] <BUGabundo> ienorand: some times its good to feel a blood rush
[19:20] <BUGabundo> where intuitiveniple and cwille?
[19:20] <BUGabundo> didn't those guys come back to +1?
[19:20] <ienorand> BUGabundo: I haven't seen TJ here for ages...
[19:20] <BUGabundo> ienorand: yeah me neitehr
[19:21] <BUGabundo> time to email him
[19:32] <funkyHat> I've got a Jaunty pre-release VM that I want to upgrade to Karmic, will I get away with just upgrading it, or do I need to upgrade to the latest packages in Jaunty first?
[19:33] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: should work
[19:33] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't file bugs
[19:33] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: I think UM as been updated to accept kk
[19:33] <BUGabundo> so just try $ update-manager .d
[19:33] <BUGabundo> so just try $ update-manager -d
[19:34] <BUGabundo> and see if it works
[19:34] <BUGabundo> if it doesn't, sed the sources and dist-upgrade
[19:34] <funkyHat> BUGabundo: yeah, UM's picking up 9.10 :)
[19:34] <BUGabundo> great
[19:35] <BUGabundo> guess I dist-upgrade 2 days to soon
[19:35] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:35] <funkyHat> BUGabundo: my version of update-manager is from before Jaunty was released though (not sure when exactly, possibly even before beta)
[19:36] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: when you use -d it checks the archive list of availble versions
[19:37] <Pici> I always do my dist-upgrades before upgrading to a new release.
[19:37] <funkyHat> BUGabundo: ahh ok, I read something a while ago that made me think update-manager had the information packaged with it
[19:37] <BUGabundo> it does
[19:38] <funkyHat> Pici: I'm lazy though, and I didn't want to download 300MB of new packages for Jaunty when a good number of them would just be replaced straight away
[19:38] <Pici> funkyHat: I have a fast enough connection where I don't really care.
[19:38]  * BUGabundo feels like kicking joaopinto!!! I like what he has done with getdeb, but that's just too much!!!
[19:39] <bjsnider> are there koala pasckages yet?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yep
[19:39] <BUGabundo> me is runnning it already
[19:39] <bjsnider> which kernel?
[19:39] <BUGabundo> .30-2
[19:39] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 1 01:37:37 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[19:39] <funkyHat> I don't have a spare computer I can run it on :( VM is fine though :)
[19:40] <bjsnider> they skipped over .29?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: yep
[19:40]  * ienorand is off to make a system backup and then nedlessly poke the koala until it bites.
[19:40] <funkyHat> Odd numbered minor releases are less stable than even aren't they?
[19:40] <BUGabundo> yay ienorand
[19:41] <BUGabundo> join the bunch of crazy ppl
[19:41] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: not anymore
[19:41] <ienorand> Se ya on the other side :)
[19:41] <Pici> funkyHat: I don't believe thats true anymore.  It used to be though.
[19:41] <BUGabundo> that's old history
[19:41] <funkyHat> Oh ok
[19:41] <funkyHat> Perhaps I've been using Linux for too long :D
[19:42] <BUGabundo> eheh
[19:42] <funkyHat> I remember spending a day or two getting X to work with Slackware 4.something :D
[19:47] <funkyHat> (so not really all that long, I guess..)
[19:49] <bjsnider> is there a lamp server metapackage?
[19:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not metapackage, just a tasksel
[19:50] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: either $ sudo tasksel lamp or synaptic->Edit->select by task
[19:51] <bjsnider> sudo tasksel install lamp did nothing
[19:53] <kklimonda> !pl
[19:55] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: did I said "install" ?
[19:59]  * ienorand is watching paint dry, also known as dd backup...
[19:59] <BUGabundo> ienorand: ahaah
[20:11] <LordKow> i severely dislike source using hidden folders to store anything
[20:21] <ienorand> hmm, seems like u-m -d isn't working neither apt-get dist-upg, something I'm missing or should I just sed the sources.lst ?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> hi again
[21:59] <DanielRM> Back.
[22:42] <kklimonda> do you know if new networkmanager is going to support phones connected using BT from the box?
[22:43] <ikonia> kklimonda: I can't see it unless the bond is in place so it shows up as a modem
[22:43] <kklimonda> ikonia: so it's an issue of hal?
[22:44] <kklimonda> or even something else?
[22:44] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: huge changes only for 0.8
[22:44] <BUGabundo> expect 2y coding
[22:44] <ikonia> kklimonda: no, just network manager,
[22:44] <BUGabundo> so 10.10 ?
[22:44] <kklimonda> I was without network connection last weekend and I couldn't make it work :/
[22:44] <ikonia> kklimonda: I think it depends a lot on the phone and how it advertistes it'sself as a modem
[22:44] <kklimonda> all howtos were complicated.. too complicated to read them on the phone using opera mini ;)
[22:45] <ikonia> kklimonda: yes, I can apperciate that, however that's how it is at the moment
[22:46] <kklimonda> too bad, oh well - I'll carry an usb cable with me :)
[22:47] <ikonia> get an open phone like most nokia's or android and it may be easier
[22:47] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: will the cable work?
[22:47] <ikonia> I have no problems with my nokia, but then thats quite known
[22:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well.. it is detected by networkmanager..
[22:47] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: i couldn't make it connect
[22:47] <kklimonda> ;)
[22:47] <kklimonda> ikonia: ya - my next phone is going to be a G1 probably
[22:48] <BUGabundo> for me either G2 or the new Samsung Android (or what ever name it will get since google is been sued)
[22:48] <kklimonda> G2 lacks a hardware keyboard
[22:48] <kklimonda> and the rest of specs are the same as G1 afair
[23:08] <ikus060> how can I list xorg options for radeon driver
[23:09] <BUGabundo> ikus060: AFAIK the GUI app for it is still not ready
[23:10] <ikus060> I know, I'm looking for the Options, like Option "VideoKey" "integer"
[23:12] <BUGabundo> humm ubuntuforums down?
[23:15] <albert23> ikus060: man radeon
[23:17] <ikus060> hum, weird I don't see how to enable "Depth moves"