[00:12] need a Pidgin user (or just about anyone who want to help) to test me a bug [00:12] on 9.10 of course [00:25] BUGabundo, im in [00:25] Pidgin 2.5.5 [00:26] oops, nvmd, thought that read 9.04 and then seen what channel i was in :P [00:26] billybigrigger: np. maybe you can confirm it non the less [00:27] lets try [00:27] $ gdb --args pidgin -n -m -c /tmp/122 [00:27] create a NEW profile, added a single XMPP account, enabled MyStatusBox, changed avatar, got a crash. [00:28] what protocol is xmpp? [00:28] i need a new xmpp account i take it [00:28] billybigrigger: its jabber [00:28] just add fake data [00:29] you want me to run that command first [00:29] ? [00:30] k your asking the wrong person :P [00:30] i can find anything to do with mystatusbox, its not a plugin is it? cause i dont have it listed [00:32] billybigrigger: if you can [00:32] that just makes pidgin start a new profile [00:32] so its CLEAN [00:33] billybigrigger: you may need to install pidgin-plugin-pack [00:33] $ sudo apt-get install pidgin-plugin-pack [00:39] BUGabundo: (no debugging symbols found) [00:40] $ sudo apt-get install pidgin-gdb [00:41] And I'm on 9.04 as well, not ready for the leap... (or rather, have no extra usb-stick to try it out on...) [00:41] ienorand: try it on HD with KVM [00:41] BUGabundo: might that package only be in Karmic? [00:42] nope [00:43] BUGabundo: Also, exams are coming up, so I'm kinda deferring that amount of tinkering 'til afterwards... [00:43] BUGabundo: ah it whas pidgin-dbg not gdb [00:44] lol [00:44] 1am typo [00:47] http://www.mibbit.com/pb/MADJpg << that's confirmed then? (hangs as soon as open button pressed in browser) [00:49] ienorand: yep [00:51] That's a funky way to crash an app, is there a bug on this? [00:52] ienorand: still have it running? [00:53] if so, type bt full [00:53] and copy the all thing to bug 371898 [00:53] Launchpad bug 371898 in purple-plugin-pack "adding an avatar makes pidgin crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371898 [00:54] and $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 [00:55] ienorand: ping [00:55] BUGabundo: do I want to continue after bt full or has it dumped eferythin necessary? [00:56] keep pressing Enter [00:57] until its all done [00:59] BUGabundo: Hmm I need to learn gdb someday... and do I just quit then, does gdb save log automatically, where? [00:59] ienorand: it doesn't save [00:59] just copy from TTY to the bug [00:59] and don't forget [00:59] and $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 [01:03] BUGabundo: Best to add as comment or attachment? [01:04] attac [01:14] Let's see if that worked, still not found a really effective way to interact with lp. [01:16] ienorand: you forgot the version... [01:16] ienorand: $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0 [01:16] oh its attached [01:16] oka [01:17] hmm.. is there any way to test mail interface for LP without spamming database? [01:17] kklimonda: no [01:17] stagging doesn't accept email [01:18] but you can test it [01:18] lol [01:18] crap, that what I was "arfraid" of ;) [01:18] I doub staggind.lp.net as MX records [01:18] Maybe I'll just spam bug #1 ;) [01:18] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout) [01:18] :D [01:18] kklimonda: you are not the 1st.... [01:18] BUGabundo: Isn't there a non-persistent test section of lp? [01:19] ienorand: yep. its called stagging.launchpad.net [01:19] !stagging [01:19] Sorry, I don't know anything about stagging [01:19] staging has MX record.. [01:20] I'll ask @ #launchpad === StooJ|Away is now known as StooJ [01:21] ok [01:21] kklimonda: let me know after [01:21] last time I asked, they said no [01:21] what is mail address ? [01:21] now someone said "i think so" ;) [01:22] humm something like new@bugs.stagging.lp.net ? [01:22] staging [01:22] lol [01:22] 1:30 am typo [01:23] 1:30 AM? it's still early ;) [01:23] It's already 2:30 here ;) [01:23] not for someone who gets up at 7am [01:23] hehe [01:26] kklimonda: just spammed #1 on staging === Froad___ is now known as Froad [01:33] Yea, seems like at least comment work though email on staging... [01:48] * ienorand wonders what's going to happen with the whole update-notification thing... The bug report is still going hot. [01:48] ienorand: I don't even read it any more [01:48] 98 unread emails there [01:48] :D [01:49] which one is it? [01:49] Bug #332945 [01:49] Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945 [01:51] Yea, pretty much everything is said by now, and notable is that there is a constant inflow of _new_ commenters and dupes. [01:52] its DXs worse night mare [01:55] Of all the things they could've removed, they took away the stone of scone [01:57] bed time [01:57] see you tommorow === Froad_ is now known as Froad === MTeck is now known as MTecknology [06:59] hey, im always wondering why is the tux-button not utilized by default? like tux+E to open nautilus or tux+L to lock the screen === MaWaLe1 is now known as MaWaLe [07:06] lanoxx-: partly because not everybody has such a key, and partly because maic keybindings like that are not really usable (you can set them if you want them, but they're not discoverable) [07:08] i don't have a tux key or a win key [07:08] Model M represent. [07:08] thinkpad :> [07:09] though I did map caps lock to super [07:09] IBM ftw? [07:09] crdlb, you mean those keys are not automatically discovered by xev? [07:09] huh? [07:09] .. what keys? [07:09] they literally aren't on the keyboard [07:10] if a keyboard doesn't have a Super (mod4) key, then there's nothing you can do other than map a substitute to it [07:10] i typically use right ctrl [07:11] i have a win key, but i rather like to think of it as a tux key [07:11] just call it super [07:12] it's also the crazy symbol key on apple keyboards [07:12] the apple logo? [07:12] oh, command [07:12] sort of like an octothorpe but more like a cloverleaf. [07:13] wouldnt it be possible to discover the difference between a pc keyboard and a mac keyboards? doesnt the keyboard send some unique identifier or something? [07:14] lanoxx-: huh? [07:14] the keycodes are the same iirc. but the physical location varies slightly [07:14] so then if we know the are on a pc keyboard we could configure the super/tux/win key [07:14] lanoxx-: you're missing the point [07:14] option(alt) and command are swapped. [07:14] super does work on mac keyboards [07:15] lemonade: the point we're trying to get through to you is that some keyboards lack a super key all together [07:15] Tefad, i just mean because crdlb said on a mac keyboard its not usefull to configure the super key and thus it wouldnt be feasible to configure them [07:15] such as my trusty IBM Model M. [07:15] huh? [07:16] lanoxx-: i suggest you reread your chat buffer. [07:20] thats right, but then one can still fallback to ctrl+alt, or not? [07:20] ctrl+alt is actually used for things too [07:21] example in inkscape ctrl+alt+v copies in-place [07:21] i know, just the super key not, btw i just tried to configure super(mod4)+E to open nautilus (home folder) in the gnome keyboard shortcuts menu [07:21] that should work [07:22] it doesnt work though, instead the windows align on the screen in a mac fashion style [07:22] that has to do with your compositor [07:22] it's stealing the hotkey [07:22] yes, compiz gets super+e by default [07:22] i guess so, where are the settings made in gnome? [07:23] im just running on the normal level of effects [07:23] but ubuntu seems to have patched things to get those options right there in the keyboard shortcuts dialog [07:23] hmm, when was that change introduced? [07:23] it's the last row in the Desktop category [07:28] hmm, how do i set it do disabled? [07:28] lanoxx-: try reading :P [07:28] oh right [07:28] haha [07:28] it's only one sentence [07:33] yeah, anyway still doesnt work, the compositing stuff is switched off now, but the home folder will still not open [07:34] worksforme :) [07:34] maybe karmic is broken :P [07:35] im on intrepid actually [07:35] * crdlb coughs === StooJ is now known as StooJ|Away [08:13] hi there, i have a problem with my thinkpad r60 and jaunty, the middle scroll isnt working, someone can help please? [08:16] nymtar, better ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-de, we already switched to karmic here ;) [08:17] thats fast :D [08:17] kthxbye [08:22] uhm, kvm doesn't seem to work with karmic's kernel, anyone knows anything? [08:25] uhm, weird, my hardy image boots up, but my jaunty ones don't :( === StooJ|Away is now known as StooJ [12:21] hi so is karmic crashign for anyone? [12:23] karmic will be released in october, don't expect anything to work till september [12:24] dns53: actuaaly one shouldnt expect it to work till oct maybe even latr ;-) [12:25] the first alphas sometimes work [12:25] yeah, I used jaunty since alpha 1 or 2 and it only broke two times until being released [12:26] nyone here with a nokia n73 able to use it as a music player in karmic with rythmbox to add or remove songs? [12:26] how does it connect usb as a mass storage? mtp? bluetooth? [12:27] when connecting the phone gives u a menu to choose from [12:27] mass storage works [12:27] i want to use it as a music device i think mtp is for that [12:27] right [12:28] when i do that it doesnt seem to work properly sometimes no respons/no change [12:28] sometimes rhtyhmbox crashes [12:28] any one else have this? [12:29] so nothing shows up? it works for a bit then crashes? [12:29] it doesnt show up just crashes [12:29] doesnt work for a bit [12:30] do the command line mtp tools work? [12:30] what is the empathy version for karmic right now? [12:30] dns53: what commd line tools havent tried any [12:32] mtp-tools has a set of commands like mtp-detect [12:33] dns53: have u ever successfully used any mtp device on ubuntu? [12:34] not yet, my sansa m250 is not supported but the m240 is so i'll try and see what changes i need to get that device working [12:40] dns53: ok best of luck === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn === yml_ is now known as yml [16:58] changelog in alacarte: Version 0.11.10-1ubuntu1: * Merge from debian unstable (LP: #371280), remaining changes: [16:58] !bug 371280 [16:58] Launchpad bug 371280 in ubuntu "wirless button light in hp dv5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371280 [16:58] Doesn't seem like the right bug number in that one. [16:58] Indeed [17:10] hi all [17:10] Is it possible that pulse is broken in Karmic? [17:14] yes [17:14] Karmic is just getting started. It is possible everything is broken [17:14] :) [17:14] You know or you guess [17:14] with Pulse [17:17] You asked if it is possible. The answer is yes, it is possible. [17:17] Man, you know what I mean ;) [17:17] everything is possible :-D [17:41] How do I go about reporting a packaging bug for Karmic? Is it just a matter of tagging it with [karmic] at the beginning of the bug title? [17:41] I've reported bugs before but only for stable releases, so I don't know if there's a special procedure. [17:42] DanielRM: Aparrently they don't like for us to put [releasename] in the bug report names. [17:43] Pici: I just noticed a bug report in which someone changed one without a release name to one with... Any idea what the proper procedure is? :( [17:44] I've edited the control file to fix it; just really a case of bringing it to attention now. [17:44] DanielRM: I think just including the release name in the bug description is enough [17:45] Pici: I'll give that a try then. Thanks. :) [17:45] DanielRM: #ubuntu-bugs might have a more concise answer than I do though [17:54] hu [17:54] *hi [17:54] don't you guys hate regressions? [17:54] grrr [17:54] kklimonda: ping [17:54] kklimonda: so does staging accept email? I can't confirm it [17:55] BUGabundo: doesn't seem like it does [17:55] hehe [17:55] but indeed it does have MXs [17:57] I was able to put a mailed comment on staging before... [17:59] Report made. [17:59] Pici: thanks for the help. [18:02] ienorand: I can't! and I tried once in the past, and last night again [18:05] BUGabundo: I managed to get one on https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/meshwork/+bug/2028 last night when you were discussing it... [18:05] Ubuntu bug 2028 in meshwork "Test bug" [Undecided,Invalid] [18:05] ienorand: I'll email that but too NOW [18:06] I'm spamming it as well... [18:06] huuuu kmail crash [18:06] there we go again [18:07] another 5 months running it on gdb === elpargo_ is now known as elpargo [18:08] BUGabundo: use apport :) [18:08] ienorand: emailing 2028@bugs.staging.launchpad.net ? [18:08] Unggnu: not to find WHY its crashing [18:08] BUGabundo: yup. [18:08] usually its kde libs not matching [18:08] ok [18:08] ienorand: sent [18:10] luckly one of my hardy bugs was fixed on jaunty [18:10] grr on karmic [18:10] but now i have 2 crashs and one regression [18:11] ienorand: my email simply doesn't get there [18:11] BUGabundo: It's there [18:11] not when I check [18:11] 2 secs ago [18:11] * BUGabundo ctr+f5ing it [18:12] ahhhh I SEE ITTTT [18:12] kklimonda: I'll take it back... _some times_ it works [18:13] :) [18:25] WOOT compiz is back on my nvidia and karmic [18:27] heh ;) === Steeley is now known as NotNamedDan [18:37] is it normal for a system to seem frozen while swapping? [18:37] or during any heavy disk access [18:38] skyjumper: normal, yes. [18:38] skyjumper: desirable, obviously not. [18:39] skyjumper: I found that changing the I/O scheduler in the boot options helped. [18:39] skyjumper: some apps do! [18:39] DanielRM: which one do like best? [18:40] skyjumper: I use elevator=deadline [18:41] skyjumper: I got that after reading a Red Hat article on the schedulers available; it seemed like the best choice for a desktop system. [18:41] skyjumper: it still slows quite a bit but not as bad as it used to. [18:42] DanielRM: deadline? that's bad [18:42] that's close to RT [18:43] most apps will hog the system like that [18:45] BUGabundo: you mean in terms of throughput? [18:45] i wonder if lvm could be causing more latency [18:46] skyjumper: shouldn't [18:46] DanielRM: not only [18:47] BUGabundo: what else? It minimises latency, or at least aims to. I can't think of much else that's important. [18:47] BUGabundo: I'm asking only as someone with minimal knowledge, by the way; I'm not challenging you, just genuinely curious. :) [18:48] DanielRM: well its great for sigle or very few apps [18:48] and that need to be done NOW [18:48] when using many apps at same time, like I have now [18:48] it will be worse [18:49] 'cause it will try to make all of them be below deadline for each [18:49] also looks like you can set the scheduler per-device [18:49] and won't be able on most systems [18:50] BUGabundo: I can't imagine most desktop users will be running very many disk I/O intensive apps though. [18:52] DanielRM: pidgin alone with some disk to disk copy or torrents finishing will make o remove that sentence [18:52] pidgin is very IO sensible [18:53] BUGabundo: I've never experienced that with quite a few torrents going, although this is obviously a case of YMMV; I can't speak for Pidgin because I don't use it. [18:53] DanielRM: also how fast your disks are makes a diff [18:54] I'm on a 320GBs 8MiBs cache 5400RPMs laptop [18:54] BUGabundo: an old laptop HDD, not sure of the exact speed. Not particularly fast. [18:54] try a dd on it [18:55] About 22 megs/s, which fits in with most writes I've done when moving files from an EHD. [18:56] Although it usually slows down after some time to hover around 19 megs/s. [18:56] there's this really nice tool to really test it [18:56] but I keep forgeting the name [18:57] bonnie++ [18:57] Ah, I think Phoronix often use that. [18:57] DanielRM: ienorand: kklimonda: run and pastebin this $ sudo hdparm -F -i -I -t -T --verbose /dev/sda [18:58] Oh, I didn't know hdparm could test speeds. [18:58] BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/f67104524 [18:59] DanielRM: that's why I'm letting you know [19:00] http://pastebin.com/d2624d55 [19:00] SG_IO: desc[] = {09 0c .. } [19:00] ATA_16 tf->status=0x50 tf->error=0x00 [19:00] this can't be good !!! [19:01] BUGabundo: I get the same. [19:01] never saw it before [19:02] main drive: http://pastebin.com/f4e835922 usb drive running ubuntu: http://pastebin.com/f1e3fe5a4 << seems like I'll have to go for another fsck... [19:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/165040/ [19:02] And I've got to go now. [19:02] why do you guys use pastebin.com and not paste.ubuntu.com ? [19:02] BUGabundo: pastebinit deafault :P [19:02] BUGabundo: force of habit. [19:02] ahh [19:03] I made an alias for it [19:03] alias pastebinit='pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com' [19:03] Hmmm, that's a good point. [19:03] I don't have pastebinit installed on this system. [19:03] DanielRM: that's a SLOWWWW disk [19:03] BUGabundo: I did say. :) [19:04] and kklimonda has a fast one! [19:04] i do? :) [19:04] BUGabundo: well, I've not used pastebinit enough to bother, and I also use mibbits dito quite a lot, since it's quick and easy... [19:04] ohhhh ienorand what's that? 2.8M/s [19:05] Anyway, going now. [19:05] Speak later. [19:05] BUGabundo: failing usb stick? [19:08] BUGabundo: where do you see the 2.8 ? [19:08] ienorand: on one of the pastebins [19:09] I must be blind then... [19:15] BUGabundo: You must be playing my mind here, 24mb/s is the only thing there *_* [19:16] ienorand: ~2.8... 2.77 something [19:16] this system's been swapping (unusable) for the past 7 minutes nonstop, while the panel's memory widget shows about 1/4 of the ram as cache [19:16] this can't possibly be normal? [19:17] ienorand: I should sleep more [19:17] it was " 2838 MB" [19:17] skyjumper: that's should be a memory leak [19:17] skyjumper: install and run $ sudo atop 2 [19:17] a leak in the kernel? [19:17] then press 'm' [19:18] BUGabundo: stop scaring me like that :P [19:20] ienorand: some times its good to feel a blood rush [19:20] where intuitiveniple and cwille? [19:20] didn't those guys come back to +1? [19:20] BUGabundo: I haven't seen TJ here for ages... [19:20] ienorand: yeah me neitehr [19:21] time to email him [19:32] I've got a Jaunty pre-release VM that I want to upgrade to Karmic, will I get away with just upgrading it, or do I need to upgrade to the latest packages in Jaunty first? [19:33] funkyHat: should work [19:33] if it doesn't file bugs [19:33] funkyHat: I think UM as been updated to accept kk [19:33] so just try $ update-manager .d [19:33] so just try $ update-manager -d [19:34] and see if it works [19:34] if it doesn't, sed the sources and dist-upgrade === virtuald_ is now known as virtuald [19:34] BUGabundo: yeah, UM's picking up 9.10 :) [19:34] great [19:35] guess I dist-upgrade 2 days to soon [19:35] LOL [19:35] BUGabundo: my version of update-manager is from before Jaunty was released though (not sure when exactly, possibly even before beta) [19:36] funkyHat: when you use -d it checks the archive list of availble versions [19:37] I always do my dist-upgrades before upgrading to a new release. [19:37] BUGabundo: ahh ok, I read something a while ago that made me think update-manager had the information packaged with it [19:37] it does [19:38] Pici: I'm lazy though, and I didn't want to download 300MB of new packages for Jaunty when a good number of them would just be replaced straight away [19:38] funkyHat: I have a fast enough connection where I don't really care. [19:38] * BUGabundo feels like kicking joaopinto!!! I like what he has done with getdeb, but that's just too much!!! [19:39] are there koala pasckages yet? [19:39] bjsnider: yep [19:39] me is runnning it already [19:39] which kernel? [19:39] .30-2 [19:39] Linux blubug 2.6.30-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 1 01:37:37 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux [19:39] I don't have a spare computer I can run it on :( VM is fine though :) [19:40] they skipped over .29? [19:40] bjsnider: yep [19:40] * ienorand is off to make a system backup and then nedlessly poke the koala until it bites. [19:40] Odd numbered minor releases are less stable than even aren't they? [19:40] yay ienorand [19:41] join the bunch of crazy ppl [19:41] funkyHat: not anymore [19:41] Se ya on the other side :) [19:41] funkyHat: I don't believe thats true anymore. It used to be though. [19:41] that's old history [19:41] Oh ok [19:41] Perhaps I've been using Linux for too long :D [19:42] eheh [19:42] I remember spending a day or two getting X to work with Slackware 4.something :D [19:47] (so not really all that long, I guess..) [19:49] is there a lamp server metapackage? [19:50] bjsnider: not metapackage, just a tasksel [19:50] bjsnider: either $ sudo tasksel lamp or synaptic->Edit->select by task [19:51] sudo tasksel install lamp did nothing [19:53] !pl [19:53] Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl [19:55] bjsnider: did I said "install" ? [19:59] * ienorand is watching paint dry, also known as dd backup... [19:59] ienorand: ahaah [20:11] i severely dislike source using hidden folders to store anything [20:21] hmm, seems like u-m -d isn't working neither apt-get dist-upg, something I'm missing or should I just sed the sources.lst ? [21:34] hi again [21:59] Back. [22:42] do you know if new networkmanager is going to support phones connected using BT from the box? [22:43] kklimonda: I can't see it unless the bond is in place so it shows up as a modem [22:43] ikonia: so it's an issue of hal? [22:44] or even something else? [22:44] kklimonda: huge changes only for 0.8 [22:44] expect 2y coding [22:44] kklimonda: no, just network manager, [22:44] so 10.10 ? [22:44] I was without network connection last weekend and I couldn't make it work :/ [22:44] kklimonda: I think it depends a lot on the phone and how it advertistes it'sself as a modem [22:44] all howtos were complicated.. too complicated to read them on the phone using opera mini ;) [22:45] kklimonda: yes, I can apperciate that, however that's how it is at the moment [22:46] too bad, oh well - I'll carry an usb cable with me :) [22:47]