| rickspencer3 | why does two weeks of writers block melt away right when I have to take care of my kids | 02:44 |
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| rickspencer3 | curse you muse! | 02:44 |
| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| Mayuresh | Good day fellas.... | 04:36 |
| Mayuresh | I need help with connecting my 1 TB hdd with my laptop using ubuntu. | 04:36 |
| Mayuresh | Its failing after sometime, after writing around 58 M | 04:37 |
| Mayuresh | I have the dmesg output with me and have already searched the net for any useful information, but didn't get any. | 04:37 |
| Mayuresh | any help is much appreciated. | 04:37 |
| mpontillo | Mayuresh: you might have better luck in #ubuntu; this channel is a much more limited audience. I would suggest that you pastebin any relevant dmesg output first. see http://paste.ubuntu.com | 04:41 |
| Seven-7 | Arrrrgh. Does anyone know how to get help support for Evolution? | 04:44 |
| Seven-7 | It's freezing on opening. | 04:44 |
| Mayuresh | mpontillo: Thanks. I'll also place this question at #ubuntu. In the mean time, I have pasted the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/164643/ | 04:48 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:33 |
| pitti | calc: pong | 07:34 |
| pitti | bryce: thanks, I processed it last night | 07:34 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: hello | 07:38 |
| === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| pitti | robert_ancell: good morning, how are you? | 07:48 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: good, trying to get the hang of karmic packaging. Is there anything different to do than a normal package update? | 07:49 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: not really, in what way? | 07:54 |
| pitti | karmic right now is in the "anything goes, break it" stage | 07:54 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: In that I open a bug with the debdiff and subscribe the main sponsors? | 07:55 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: for a new upstream version it's better to attach the source package's diff.gz | 07:58 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: so that we don't have to wade through the upstream diff | 07:58 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: do you need the orig.gz then? | 07:58 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: if a package is in bzr, just commit to the branch and ask us to upload it | 07:59 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: for GNOME packages we know where to get them from; for other packages, an URL to the orig.tar.gz is fine | 07:59 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: and if it needed modification due to directory naming? | 07:59 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: a repacked orig? then please put it on your people.u.c. page or attach it | 08:00 |
| === eeejay_givingup is now known as eeejay | ||
| robert_ancell | pitti: when you merge a debian changelog with an ubuntu one do you keep all the entries? | 08:06 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: we usually do, although admittedly I "flush" them from time to time | 08:06 |
| pitti | since a merge requirement is to give a detailled list of remaining ubuntu changes | 08:06 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: oh, you are merging from Debian? | 08:07 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: wrt. orig.tar.gz, when Debian has it, we can get it from there | 08:07 |
| robert_ancell | yes, ok | 08:07 |
| robert_ancell | I'm working on avahi - I noticed you'd done that one previously | 08:07 |
| pitti | right | 08:08 |
| pitti | in my times I didn't need to repack the orig, though | 08:08 |
| robert_ancell | When you say remaining ubuntu changes do you mean "any change from upstream" - as you listed the patches as provided by debian | 08:08 |
| robert_ancell | and the patches that are obsolete - should I list them in the changelog? | 08:08 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: no, "ubuntu changes" are relative only to Debian for merging | 08:09 |
| robert_ancell | ok, easy (in this case we have none) | 08:09 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: the patches shoudl usually document themselves, with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines | 08:09 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: if we have zero changes, we can sync | 08:09 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: most aren't. I have been tagging mine | 08:10 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: if our only remaining delta is the changelog, or some obsolete cruft, we sync | 08:10 |
| pitti | that's in fact the ideal case | 08:10 |
| robert_ancell | ok, how do we trigger that then? avahi failed the automerge | 08:10 |
| pitti | once we have done our homework and pushed patches to upstream and packaging fixes to Debian, we are in sync and can stop maintaining a delta | 08:10 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: if you are sure that the remaining delta is zero, request a sync with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess | 08:11 |
| pitti | in short, "requestsync avahi karmic" should do | 08:12 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: ok, once the sync is complete and there are other changes should I push those to Debian so we keep the sync? | 08:12 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: "other changes" -> "future changes"? | 08:13 |
| robert_ancell | yes (I don't want to sync then immediately fix a bug) | 08:13 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: yes, we should, if it's packaging related | 08:13 |
| pitti | code changes should better go into the upstream bug tracker | 08:13 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: well, syncing in between has the advantage to have a really clean slate again | 08:13 |
| robert_ancell | sure | 08:13 |
| === celthunds is now known as celthunder | ||
| robert_ancell | pitti: again, when I look at glade it appears that should by synced too - is there anything special I should be looking out for in the debian/ directory? | 08:30 |
| seb128 | hey robert_ancell | 08:30 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: did you get my email? | 08:30 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: hey seb - you're giving me easy packages to merge again | 08:30 |
| seb128 | is that ironic? ;-) | 08:31 |
| robert_ancell | yes, as far as I can see both avahi and glade can be synced with debian | 08:31 |
| seb128 | I didn't look at the diff but basically at the list of things not merged yet and picked some of your packages there | 08:32 |
| seb128 | oh, that would be good ;-) | 08:32 |
| seb128 | - debian/rules: Create an up to date PO template during build. | 08:32 |
| seb128 | * Python 2.6 transition (fixes FTBFS) | 08:33 |
| seb128 | those are in debian now? | 08:33 |
| robert_ancell | the PO template thing is. | 08:33 |
| seb128 | I'm a bit surprised since the po thing is specific to ubuntu for language packs and python2.6 is not used in debian yet that I know about | 08:33 |
| robert_ancell | ok, no then I'm confused | 08:33 |
| seb128 | ah good, somebody must have sent the change to lower the delta and they took it | 08:33 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: ok, you are right, pitti sent them the change and they applied it | 08:35 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: tomorrow you can do gdm which is a non trivial one ;-) | 08:35 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: so what was the python 2.6 fix, I'm looking at the bug and the source but I can't see what it is. And if we merge do we use the builds from Debian or build them locally? | 08:37 |
| seb128 | we grab the source from debian and upload that | 08:38 |
| seb128 | it's built on ubuntu | 08:38 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi | 08:38 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: you have the diff for each upload there | 08:38 |
| seb128 | the change is basically site-packages -> *-packages | 08:39 |
| seb128 | the python directory used in 2.6 changed | 08:39 |
| robert_ancell | ok, I see now. So we can't sync because we need that change | 08:39 |
| seb128 | right | 08:40 |
| seb128 | but you can send the patch to debian | 08:40 |
| seb128 | there is no reason they couldn't do that, that still work for site-package and they will get 2.6 too | 08:40 |
| seb128 | so we can sync with there next upload | 08:40 |
| seb128 | if you didn't oversight other changes too ;-) | 08:40 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: they don't have Keybuk's change either | 08:42 |
| seb128 | 0.6.23-4ubuntu3 | 08:43 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: and they still enable ipv6 apparently that we don't | 08:45 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I've been sending POT creation patches to Debian for years | 08:46 |
| robert_ancell | POT? | 08:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, but they didn't take it until recently | 08:46 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: intltool-update call | 08:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: it was still listed in the summary of changes when we rebased previous on debian | 08:47 |
| pitti | right | 08:47 |
| seb128 | anyway there are the 3 others changes | 08:47 |
| seb128 | python2.6 site-packages -> *-packages | 08:47 |
| seb128 | runlevel | 08:47 |
| seb128 | ipv6 | 08:47 |
| seb128 | which still need to be applied | 08:47 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: you are looking at the current ubuntu patch that MoM creates? | 08:48 |
| seb128 | I found those patches not practical when you have different versions | 08:48 |
| pitti | I love them | 08:48 |
| seb128 | I usually diff the debian directories between current debian and ubuntu | 08:48 |
| pitti | I usually grab the Debian version and the current ubuntu patch, and then walk through teh Ubuntu patch and throw out the obsolete stuff | 08:49 |
| pitti | and then apply the rest | 08:49 |
| robert_ancell | I'm not sure how to use MoM | 08:49 |
| seb128 | I will let pitti explain since I don't use it | 08:49 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I almost never take the automatic merge, since it's often unclean, and it can't check which changes aren't really required any more | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: where are the files that MoM generates? | 08:50 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: the only things I use from MoM are the current Ubuntu diff and the fact that a package needs merging (and by whom) | 08:50 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html -> click on package -> remove '/REPORT' from URL | 08:50 |
| robert_ancell | oh | 08:51 |
| pitti | i. e. https://merges.ubuntu.com/a/avahi/avahi_0.6.23-4ubuntu4.patch is the current Ubuntu patch | 08:51 |
| seb128 | the package names should rather point to the directory than to REPORT | 08:52 |
| seb128 | I find myself removing the REPORT every time and wondering why it's the default | 08:52 |
| * pitti too | 08:52 | |
| seb128 | you can easily click on it and back to go back to the directory | 08:52 |
| robert_ancell | another question: debian bumped the soname from 5 to 6 when they went from 0.6.23 to 0.6.24, any idea why? | 08:53 |
| pitti | ugh | 08:53 |
| seb128 | because the library soname changed? | 08:53 |
| seb128 | that's an upstream thing usually | 08:54 |
| seb128 | libraries are name libname.no.SONAME | 08:54 |
| seb128 | where SONAME is a number | 08:54 |
| pitti | only two packages depend on libavahi-core5, so that transition is easy | 08:54 |
| seb128 | when they break the compatibility in the abi they bump this number | 08:54 |
| seb128 | so that doesn't break applications using the old abi | 08:54 |
| seb128 | and you install the new abi next to it and start rebuilding things using this one | 08:55 |
| seb128 | the package renaming is to allow installing both versions | 08:55 |
| seb128 | and have a smooth transition | 08:55 |
| mvo | I personally use grab-merge and work based on this because it often has quite good results for me (checking the debdiff afterwards carefully of course) | 08:56 |
| seb128 | I fail to see how that's better than a diff -Nru of the debian directories usually | 08:57 |
| seb128 | you just lot of extra noises when the versions are not the same | 08:57 |
| pitti | mvo: it discourages you from actually checking which of our delta can be dropped, though | 08:57 |
| pitti | seb128: you don't get a three-way diff that way, though | 08:57 |
| robert_ancell | i see. The avahi guys aren't keen on keeping ABI within minor releases. | 08:58 |
| mvo | pitti: not really, the debdiff of the merge (against the debian version) needs to be checked afterwards for this as well. but I guess the workflow is pretty equivalent in the end, just approaching it from different directions | 08:58 |
| * robert_ancell thinks the avahi package will take some more time | 08:58 | |
| seb128 | pitti: I find that not required in most cases, especially if your changelog has an accurate summary of changes from the previous merge already | 08:58 |
| seb128 | anyway everybody has his own workflow ;-) | 08:59 |
| pitti | I'm just eager to drop delta | 08:59 |
| pitti | sure | 08:59 |
| seb128 | one other thing I don't bother doing that quite some people do is to copy over old ubuntu changelog entries | 08:59 |
| pitti | same for me | 09:00 |
| pitti | if we have a good merge summary, it's just redundant | 09:00 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: see that was good that you had an easy one to start ;-) | 09:00 |
| mvo | I think old changelogs are often useful (and one of the things that you get with the merge from mom) | 09:00 |
| seb128 | mvo: I summarize all those in the current entry | 09:00 |
| seb128 | quicker to read than trying to go over all the old uploads | 09:00 |
| seb128 | and that wins some CD space ;-) | 09:01 |
| seb128 | especially for GNOME where we copy the NEWS each time | 09:01 |
| mvo | seb128: fair enough in case of NEWS I guess | 09:01 |
| pitti | seb128: you should *really* use Seb Bacher to save 6 bytes for each changelog record :-P | 09:01 |
| mvo | haha | 09:01 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 09:01 | |
| Nafallo | lol | 09:02 |
| robert_ancell | good day all! | 09:29 |
| robert_ancell | (that was an inverted good night) | 09:29 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: enjoy the evening! | 09:29 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: good evening! | 09:29 |
| * crevette shouldn't do uplaod with its long name | 09:29 | |
| robert_ancell | :) | 09:29 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: or, rather: ʇɥƃıu pooƃ | 09:29 |
| huats | morning everyone ! | 09:50 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:51 |
| huats | hello seb128 | 09:51 |
| seb128 | huats: how are you? how is your business going? | 09:52 |
| huats | seb128: I am fine | 09:52 |
| huats | and I try to start the business | 09:52 |
| huats | it is not that easy but I have some possibilities :) | 09:52 |
| huats | I think I'll know more by the end of the month :) | 09:53 |
| huats | well for the moment I am mainly focussing on putting together all the pieces | 09:53 |
| huats | :) | 09:53 |
| seb128 | ok, good luck | 09:55 |
| seb128 | still as busy? | 09:55 |
| seb128 | but still going to uds? | 09:55 |
| huats | still going to th uds :of course seb128 | 09:56 |
| huats | I am still busy | 09:56 |
| seb128 | I'm wondering since you seem to not be around a lot recently | 09:56 |
| seb128 | so I was wondering if you would still manage to get time for uds | 09:56 |
| huats | In fact I am around but not chatting | 09:56 |
| huats | :) | 09:56 |
| huats | it is weird for someone as talkative than I am :) | 09:57 |
| seb128 | lol | 09:57 |
| huats | Need to logout | 09:59 |
| pitti | seb128: your X-GIO-NoFuse=true patch in f-spot, do you know whether that's reported upstream? | 09:59 |
| * pitti is tagging our patches | 09:59 | |
| pitti | bug 338466 | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 338466 in f-spot "Fspot doesn't load pictures from my digital camera" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/338466 | 10:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: I don't think I sent that upstream no because I was not sure that was the right way | 10:00 |
| seb128 | ideally it could be using the fuse mount but for some reason that sloooow | 10:01 |
| pitti | probably because it generates thumbnails from the real pictures isntead of using the camera's thumbnails? | 10:01 |
| pitti | (that's what we had in gthumb) | 10:01 |
| seb128 | could be | 10:02 |
| pitti | all our other patches are reported upstream now | 10:03 |
| pitti | (if only they'd apply them) | 10:03 |
| seb128 | I hate the bugzilla.gnome.org slowness | 10:11 |
| pochu | the good thing is that it makes launchpad feel fast ;) | 10:13 |
| seb128 | yeah | 10:14 |
| seb128 | mvo: you are a vm user right? what do you recommend on jaunty to have something usable? ;-) | 10:32 |
| seb128 | I use kvm -cdrom iso to boot live cds | 10:32 |
| seb128 | and virt-manager for installs but virt-manager is the suck, mouse location keeps being wrong, it it doesn't go in some screen corners | 10:32 |
| huats | seb128: if you move the mouse quite fast you can reach that corners | 10:34 |
| huats | seb128: i am doing that all the time :) | 10:34 |
| seb128 | huats: it's not fast, you need to go against the opposite border rather | 10:34 |
| seb128 | yeah, me too, but that's annoying so I'm looking for better suggestions | 10:34 |
| huats | yeah opposite AND going fast to the corner you want to reach :) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | and something I could switch full screen too would be nice | 10:35 |
| * pitti just uses kvm in CLI mode | 10:35 | |
| huats | ok | 10:35 |
| pitti | kvm -m 512 -cdrom ubuntu.iso -hda testubuntu.img -boot d | 10:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: is there some magic command to get an hdd in kvm so you can install something? ;-) | 10:35 |
| seb128 | oh | 10:35 |
| seb128 | easy enough | 10:35 |
| seb128 | and testubuntu.img need to be created using some other tool? | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: -hda, -hdb, etc. -boot c -> boot from hd; -boot d -> boot from cdrom | 10:36 |
| pitti | seb128: you can use existing ones, or just dd if=/dev/zero one yourself | 10:36 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:36 |
| seb128 | I'm pondering upgrading my laptop to karmic yet | 10:36 |
| pitti | I have a dd'ed 6 GB testubuntu.img which works just fine | 10:36 |
| seb128 | or using a kvm install for now | 10:36 |
| seb128 | I would like to get working beamer, suspend, etc for uds | 10:37 |
| pitti | seb128: with some tool you can even mount these images in your host system, for nice and easy file exchange | 10:37 |
| mvo | seb128: I just use plain kvm | 10:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, mvo: ok thanks | 10:39 |
| seb128 | I will use the office bandwith tomorrow to do karmic and debian unstable kvm images | 10:39 |
| pitti | seb128: hah, yay phat pipes | 10:40 |
| mvo | seb128: there is also ctrl-alt-f2 with kvm that gives you a useful console to do stuff | 10:40 |
| mvo | seb128: like sendkey ctrl-alt-f1 | 10:40 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 10:40 |
| pitti | seb128: if all else fails, I still have a jaunty install on my USB stick which I can boot, so I'm just using karmic | 10:40 |
| seb128 | is there a way to put kvm in full screen? ;-) | 10:40 |
| mvo | seb128: or inject NMI (not that fullful ;) | 10:40 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've upgraded my desktop but I tend to be a bit conservative with my laptop until uds | 10:41 |
| pitti | sounds fine | 10:41 |
| pitti | especially if you are still working on some SRUs | 10:41 |
| mvo | seb128: -full-screen | 10:41 |
| seb128 | and usually it's useful for srus too | 10:41 |
| seb128 | right | 10:41 |
| seb128 | though I'm mostly done with srus for jaunty I think | 10:41 |
| pitti | seb128: I just have one computer, so I need to get along with chroots | 10:41 |
| seb128 | mvo: kvm for the win apparently ;-) | 10:41 |
| pitti | well, I have the G1 for ssh etc., but that doesn't run ubuntu yet | 10:41 |
| seb128 | "yet" ;-) | 10:42 |
| pitti | there was a post on planet recently about wiping android and installing ubuntu :) | 10:42 |
| pitti | but how would I do phone calls then? | 10:42 |
| seb128 | who need to do phone calls on a phone anyway | 10:43 |
| seb128 | install ekiga and use that? ;-) | 10:43 |
| pitti | I'd love to, if only T-Online wouldn't block voip | 10:43 |
| mvo | seb128: I like it a lot | 10:44 |
| === dpm_ is now known as dpm | ||
| Ampelbein | seb128: hi. i'm currently working on the gnome-media merge/update. scrollkeeper has been deactivated to fix FTBFS, see bug 243573. I tried a build with scrollkeeper enabled and it worked. So do we again use scrollkeeper? | 11:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 243573 in gnome-media "Please sponsor gnome-media 2.23.3-0ubuntu2 (main) into Intrepid" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/243573 | 11:13 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: no | 11:18 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: scrollkeeper should be run on the client side not on the buildd | 11:18 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: ok, so i drop the build-dep, too? | 11:19 |
| seb128 | if it's not required | 11:20 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure how smart the configure is, ie try to pbuilder it without the build-depends | 11:20 |
| asac | pitti: so the sudo su -> root @console caused kind of colleteral damage to network manager ... | 11:47 |
| asac | pitti: walters said its unfortunate, but he thinks that root shouldnt be @console unless you login at gdm or a real console | 11:47 |
| asac | bug 360818 bug 371291 | 11:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360818 in network-manager-vpnc "NetworkManager.vpn fails -- nm-vpn-connection.c.900: NeedSecrets " [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360818 | 11:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 371291 in network-manager "MASTER PPP connect fails if root is @console with pppd_timed_out() - (NetworkManager does not connect to Mobile Broadband anymore in Jaunty (Sierra AC880))" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371291 | 11:49 |
| asac | pitti: in particular this means that using "deny" in @console rules is not practical as it will remove permissions from root | 11:50 |
| asac | no action needed for jaunty ... we will change the network manager rules to not use any deny in @console ... but i guess we should consider to not make root @console for simple sudo su's | 11:51 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: bug 371952 ready for review, see the linked branch. | 11:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 371952 in gnome-media "Please sponsor version 2.27.1 in karmic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371952 | 11:57 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: ok thanks | 12:03 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: you can do the same for gnome-utils next if you want ;-) | 12:04 |
| pitti | asac: oh, do you really rely on d-bus ACLs in network-manager? | 12:05 |
| Ampelbein | seb128: will have a look after lunch | 12:05 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein: no hurry, enjoy your lunch | 12:05 |
| pitti | asac: I had hoped that at_console will go away at some time, and we can remove that hack from d-bus (with the /var/run/console/ stamps) | 12:05 |
| pitti | Polkit already knows that stuff, after all | 12:05 |
| asac | pitti: we rely on dbus acls for some parts ... look at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf for instance | 12:06 |
| asac | pitti: @console going away is probably the right long term thing | 12:07 |
| asac | i agree | 12:07 |
| asac | i will check with dan how much work is to use polkit everywhere | 12:07 |
| pitti | ah, I see | 12:07 |
| pitti | asac: so the problem is that if you do sudo -i, that terminal gets a CK session for root, and thus is able to access NM, although it shouldn't be? | 12:08 |
| asac | pitti: no. the problem is more devastating :) | 12:08 |
| asac | pitti: nm consists of multiple parts that communicate through dbus | 12:09 |
| asac | ... all running as root | 12:09 |
| asac | now you do sudo su | 12:09 |
| asac | and booooom. those parts cannot communicate anymore because the @console "deny" prevents it | 12:09 |
| asac | ;) | 12:09 |
| asac | so the problem is that @console leads to less permissions for root | 12:10 |
| asac | than without @console | 12:10 |
| asac | pitti: shouldnt the at_console check actually check whether the process is a child of the console? | 12:13 |
| asac | i think i can answer that by myself | 12:13 |
| asac | problem is obviously the /var/run/console/ thing ;) | 12:13 |
| pitti | asac: I wonder why you need that deny rule in the first place | 12:14 |
| asac | is there a different approach for that? | 12:14 |
| asac | pitti: without that deny all @console can access that interface | 12:14 |
| asac | pitti: we will now use explicit interface allows | 12:14 |
| asac | e.g. listing all interfaces that are allowed explicitly rather than adding a generic destination allow with a interface deny | 12:15 |
| pitti | asac: that's strange; d-bus should deny access to methods by default | 12:15 |
| pitti | it didn't in the past, but that was fixed in jaunty | 12:15 |
| asac | pitti: well. there is is a generic allow destination | 12:15 |
| pitti | oh, I see | 12:15 |
| pitti | asac: right, ignore me | 12:15 |
| asac | allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/> | 12:15 |
| asac | yeah | 12:15 |
| asac | so that will be replaced by all interfaces named explicitly ... which is a bit hard to maintain but also makes some sense | 12:16 |
| asac | hopefully that works ;) | 12:16 |
| asac | seems more users than expected have root shells open while doing networking | 12:16 |
| pitti | interesting bug, though | 12:18 |
| asac | yeah | 12:18 |
| asac | arguably dbus shouldnt deny anything for root user imo ;) | 12:18 |
| asac | that would at least reflect the unix best practices | 12:19 |
| asac | well old-best-practices. i think with selinux and stuff thats not always true anymore | 12:19 |
| * pitti -> lunch and some errands | 12:34 | |
| Ampelbein | seb128: doing gnome-utils now | 12:52 |
| seb128 | good | 12:52 |
| seb128 | pedro_: holla! | 13:29 |
| seb128 | or "olla"? | 13:29 |
| pedro_ | seb128: salut my friend! | 13:29 |
| seb128 | pedro_: how are you? | 13:29 |
| pedro_ | seb128: hola with just one l ;-) | 13:29 |
| seb128 | hola then ;-) | 13:29 |
| pedro_ | seb128: good good looking at some evo bugs, how about you? | 13:29 |
| seb128 | good | 13:29 |
| seb128 | pedro_: do you still run jaunty? | 13:30 |
| seb128 | pedro_: could you help to confirm some of my desktop srus so they can be moved to updates | 13:30 |
| seb128 | pedro_: some are trivial to test on any config | 13:30 |
| pedro_ | seb128: yeap, at least for a couple of more weeks for doing SRU verifications | 13:30 |
| seb128 | pedro_: ok, so could you do some of those on desktop components? ;-) | 13:30 |
| pedro_ | seb128: sure ;-) | 13:31 |
| pedro_ | count with that | 13:31 |
| seb128 | the gnome-settings-daemon ones should be easy (out of the lid close crasher) | 13:31 |
| * pedro_ looking at the pending list | 13:31 | |
| seb128 | same about gnome-applets, at least confirming that the update works correctly | 13:32 |
| seb128 | nautilus too | 13:32 |
| * seb128 kicks launchpad | 13:33 | |
| seb128 | now it's playing bugzilla and timeout! | 13:33 |
| pedro_ | seb128: ok will do those today | 13:33 |
| seb128 | thanks | 13:33 |
| pedro_ | yeah it's working freaking slow for me too :-/ | 13:33 |
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| === proppy1 is now known as proppy | ||
| pedro_ | seb128: bug 360084 ; it's still an issue with the proposed version of g-s-d and seems to depend on a change to gnome-control-center as stated on the upstream report | 15:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 360084 in gnome-settings-daemon "confirm dialog below main window" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360084 | 15:11 |
| pedro_ | commit is at http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=6ea3c02290362ae3e9b4e9259bc72fc0b4ac45d2 | 15:11 |
| seb128 | pedro_: ok, fine, write that on the bug saying that it's still working the same way but not broken in new ways | 15:12 |
| pedro_ | seb128: ok will do it | 15:12 |
| seb128 | ie we can move that to updates it doesn't fix everybody but doesn't break either | 15:12 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:12 |
| pedro_ | you're welcome | 15:13 |
| seb128 | the sru was not especially for this bug but I listed everything fixed in the new version ;-) | 15:13 |
| seb128 | ok, time to go to catch my plane for the dxteam sprint | 15:20 |
| seb128 | see you later | 15:20 |
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| rickspencer3 | awe: fyi, our team meeting is in 8 mins | 17:22 |
| pitti | uh, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic?searchtext=desktop-karmic- is quite well filled | 17:26 |
| awe | rickspencer3: thanks! you might want to update the wiki page, it says 14:00 UTC | 17:27 |
| awe | oops, i meant 16:00 UTC | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: with two rooms, I think we have room for like 36 total or something | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | awe: thanks | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | could you please adjust it (being a wiki and all ;) ) | 17:27 |
| rickspencer3 | I think the fridge is correct | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | 5 days x 5 Sessions per day X 1.5 rooms = 37 | 17:29 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: sound about right ^^^ ? | 17:29 |
| pitti | why 1.5 rooms? | 17:29 |
| pitti | that's for desktop + DX + OLS, right? | 17:29 |
| asac | meeting? | 17:29 |
| rickspencer3 | we have two rooms, but should save some space for impromptu meetings | 17:29 |
| pitti | or does OLS have their own? | 17:29 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: right | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | design and dx | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | I kept OLS in desktop track for now | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | so there are some design-karmic-* | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | and dx-karmic-* sessions as well | 17:30 |
| calc | what is OLS? | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: Online Services | 17:30 |
| calc | ah ok | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | we should be saying Ubuntu1 now | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 17:31 |
| kenvandine_wk | yo | 17:31 |
| asac | so is this meeting ;)? | 17:31 |
| calc | no going to start any second now though | 17:31 |
| bryce | heya asac | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 17:31 |
| asac | hi bryce | 17:31 |
| calc | hi | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | meeting time | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | tkamppeter: welcome, are you there? | 17:31 |
| kenvandine_wk | i am laggy from the u1 upload that is happening here :) | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-05-05 | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I believe seb128 is traveling to the Dx sprint in London | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | everyone ready to go? | 17:32 |
| kenvandine_wk | yup | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: ready? | 17:32 |
| * rickspencer3 poke poke | 17:32 | |
| Riddell | hi | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | Let's go a little out of order, start with introducing awe | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | awe = Tony Espy, and he'll be an honorary desktopper for Karmic! | 17:33 |
| asac | \o/ | 17:34 |
| pitti | hey awe, welcome to the team! | 17:34 |
| kenvandine_wk | welcome awe! | 17:34 |
| * awe hey guys, nice to be part of a the new gang! | 17:34 | |
| * asac waves @ awe | 17:34 | |
| rickspencer3 | welcome awe! | 17:34 |
| bryce | heya awe | 17:34 |
| pitti | finally we have our own guitar rock star | 17:34 |
| awe | ;/ | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | awe: do you want to introduce yourself briefly? | 17:34 |
| awe | sure | 17:34 |
| awe | i've spent the last 9 months or so as tech lead on the hp mini | 17:35 |
| awe | for oem services | 17:35 |
| awe | my background is networking plus desktop audio playback | 17:35 |
| tkamppeter | hi, I am | 17:35 |
| awe | i've also spent a lot of time working with the kernel team and defining how oem plays with the kernel | 17:35 |
| awe | look forward to working with you all on karmic | 17:36 |
| * awe done w/intro | 17:36 | |
| rickspencer3 | sweet | 17:36 |
| rickspencer3 | awe: you were a pepper, right? | 17:36 |
| rickspencer3 | (pepper = worked on Pepper Pad) | 17:37 |
| awe | yes. i build an equiv of network-mgr in java for pepper, plus the audio playback subsys based on helix | 17:37 |
| awe | s/build/built/ | 17:37 |
| * rickspencer3 <3 pepper pad | 17:37 | |
| asac | awe-some ;) | 17:37 |
| kenvandine_wk | haha | 17:37 |
| awe | plus i play back up guitar for pitti on "wish you were here" ;) | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | I know that I speak for everyone when I say that we are really glad to have you on the team, and we're looking forward to seeing what you do in Karmic | 17:38 |
| awe | thanks | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | actions from last meeting: | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to get definitive list of who has talks at all hands to double check that everyone who has one is prepared | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | I totally FAILed at this, but I'm still trying | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | there must be a list somewhere :) | 17:39 |
| pitti | the track leads certainly have themm | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: good idea | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | I was looking for the one list to rule them all, but just pinging track leads should work | 17:40 |
| asac | so can we assume that we dont have a talk if we didnt hear anything yet? | 17:40 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: or ask cvd, when I talked to her on the phone last week she had the schedule | 17:40 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: I think that we *shouldn't* assume that yet, as I am concerned that perhaps some emails were filtered out in spam filters | 17:40 |
| asac | rickspencer3: who would have sent such a mail? | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | some people got emails saying their talks *weren't* accepted, but it's not clear if this was consistent across tracks | 17:41 |
| asac | cvd? | 17:41 |
| asac | hmm. | 17:41 |
| asac | ok i will check with brian who submitted the talk | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: I'll take care of finding out asap and let you know | 17:41 |
| asac | thanks a lot | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | next topic: UDS | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | did everyone get their blueprints in? | 17:42 |
| kenvandine_wk | yup | 17:42 |
| bryce | asac, the email started with, "ENLARGE your member ship for your talk like you were on v1agr4!!!1!" you didn't get that one? | 17:42 |
| asac | bryce: oh ... i have more than 100 matches;) | 17:42 |
| bryce | asac: bingo | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | hehe | 17:43 |
| pitti | I just have two, but they are both quite big, so I don't think I'd like to pile up more for karmic | 17:43 |
| pitti | since I also want to work on the devkit migration | 17:43 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: I've gone mine in, but there's too many; probably should trim them down a bit | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: I didn't see Kubuntu blueprints in pitti's link | 17:43 |
| asac | rickspencer3: blueprints without sessions dont need to be in yet? | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: I suppose so | 17:43 |
| miha | hello guys, 1. ubuntu with desktop effects likes to hang when you press notebook keys such as volume up when playing movies/down, 2. network manager fails to reconnect (you must enter password again and press connect) | 17:43 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic?searchtext=kubuntu | 17:44 |
| asac | rickspencer3: ok. thanks. | 17:44 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: they are prefixed kubuntu- | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | miha: hi, we're in a meeting right now | 17:44 |
| miha | ok | 17:44 |
| miha | sorry | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | you might want to ask in #ubuntu | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | no problems, you're welcome to hang out | 17:44 |
| pitti | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-karmic?searchtext=kubuntu-karmic- is better | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: thanks! | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell rocks, as usual | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | so essentially, pitti and rickspencer3 will sort, prioritize and such by eod Thursday | 17:45 |
| asac | rickspencer3: i will setup a blueprint about NM UI topics (first start, wizard, etc.) in karmic ... thats the only one left i want broader discussion on. | 17:45 |
| asac | doing that right after meeting | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: thanks | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | anyone else have blueprints that need to be submitted? | 17:45 |
| rickspencer3 | note that we have two rooms, but are covering Dx, Design, and Ubuntu1 in our track | 17:46 |
| asac | the prefix is ubuntu-desktop-... ? | 17:46 |
| asac | ah ubuntu-karmic | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | none the less, I'd like to keep a lot of time unscheduled for impromptu sessions | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: right, the naming convention is ubuntu-karmic-* | 17:46 |
| pitti | asac: desktop-karmic-* | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | heh | 17:46 |
| * asac confused ;) | 17:46 | |
| rickspencer3 | right desktop-karmic-* | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | (my bad) | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell confused me :) | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | so is everyone good to go with blueprints? | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on: Desktop Summit | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | if you are going, please add yourself to the meeting page | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I created a little table there | 17:49 |
| Riddell | which meeting page? | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-05-05 | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: ^^^ | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | next topic: Triaging versus Bug Fixing/Closing in Karmic | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | I just wanted to briefly bring this up as pitti and I have both been talking to desktop engineers, and it seems pretty universal that the current mix is not right | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't want to brainstorm about it here, but ... | 17:50 |
| pitti | it's not so much of a mix, as of a "when to stop?" and "what to look at" questions | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | I think we should have a UDS talk about how to handle bug inflow | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: sure | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | that's a good way to put it | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | I wanted to make two points now: | 17:52 |
| pedro_ | count me in for that session, I'd love to help with that | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | 1. We should tackle this problem as a team, but the implementation of any solutions may look different for each product area, as the problems manifest differently | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | 2. We should consider *bold* action in Karmic | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | pedro_: absolutely! | 17:53 |
| bryce | bold action? | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: yes | 17:54 |
| miha | Comrades, we stand at edge of cliff. We must make a bold step forwards. (old Yugoslavian joke) :) | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | like don't think in terms of a 10% increase in throughput | 17:54 |
| rickspencer3 | think about a 10 fold increase | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | stretch your comfort zone | 17:55 |
| pitti | before we can determine/measure this, we first need to define "throughput" | 17:55 |
| pitti | in terms of "what do we want to achieve" | 17:55 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: hehe | 17:55 |
| asac | i think the ideal goal would be that developers can filter everything not triaged or so to /dev/null and spend all their time on real bug-fix work | 17:56 |
| asac | isntead of bugmail work | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | asac: that's a great example | 17:56 |
| pitti | I liked the bug gravity idea | 17:56 |
| asac | bug-fix work == fix on own AND work with upstream | 17:56 |
| asac | pitti: what definition of gravity do you like? | 17:57 |
| pitti | to make us focus on what's most important, to maximize the usefulness | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: make sense? It would be ideal if you felt that you could suggest radical approaches | 17:57 |
| calc | disable all desktop bug reporting without using apport would help get to the 10x throughput | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: yes! | 17:57 |
| asac | pitti: for the triaging or the bug-fixing? | 17:57 |
| pitti | asac: number of affected people, type of attached debugging information, number of dups, reported by core-dev member, etc. | 17:57 |
| asac | yeah | 17:58 |
| pitti | asac: triaging | 17:58 |
| pitti | I think once we got a bug to triaged/assigned, we are doing pretty good | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | I think asac is suggesting "no triaging" for engineers! | 17:58 |
| pitti | the challenge is to pick the "right" ones | 17:58 |
| asac | pitti: i agree, but still developers would get rid of the triaging stage at all if possible | 17:58 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: it's still seeming rather ambiguous how to apply to X, but I'm listening | 17:58 |
| pitti | asac: unfortuantely their special knowledge is required very often | 17:58 |
| asac | pitti: thats true, but also depends on the area you look at | 17:59 |
| pitti | bryce: I think the point is that everyone shouldl think about the problem from his perspective | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: here's a thought exercise, if you only had 1 hour a week to triage bugs, what would yo do with that time? | 17:59 |
| asac | pitti: for mozilla its 99.0% of bugmail that i doesnt require special skills | 17:59 |
| calc | for eg OOo there is very little if any triaging being done besides me currently, so i think getting the community to do more towards triaging would be needed before having engineers no longer do it | 17:59 |
| asac | just a guidance and man power | 17:59 |
| pitti | and thus at UDS we can share our thoughts | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | anywho ... let's bring these ideas to UDS | 17:59 |
| calc | ok | 17:59 |
| asac | pitti: well it definitly requires special skills, but not at the early stages | 18:00 |
| pitti | asac: for triaging as in the medical sense ("set priority and look how many are affected"), that's probably very true | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | I just wanted to plant the seed of thinking bold and trying something new and perhaps even agressive | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | as pitti put it early "turn the problem upside down" | 18:00 |
| asac | pitti: yeah. for me it would be a huge improvement if my incoming queue would be just bugs that are properly prepared (thats what i refer to for triaging) | 18:00 |
| pitti | "Enter an 11-digit prime number to file this bug" | 18:01 |
| pitti | *cough* | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | ! | 18:01 |
| asac | the evaluation part of triaging needs to be done by developer. if we are also overloaded on that side we need gravity | 18:01 |
| asac | for that or more engineers ;) | 18:01 |
| pitti | so, some questions to think about: | 18:01 |
| pitti | - Which kind of your typical bugs would you classify as "something I want to work on", and "something I want to look at", and "something I shouldn't look at" | 18:02 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: I guess if I had only an hour to triage, I'd use 45 min to write a launchpadlib script to automate the triaging, and then run that for the last 15 min ;-) | 18:02 |
| pitti | - "how can I organize my bug queues in a way that I can process something to zero without getting overloaded" | 18:02 |
| kenvandine_wk | bryce: good answer :) | 18:02 |
| pitti | bryce++ | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | kewl | 18:03 |
| pitti | - "which of my current work can be documented and automated" | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 18:03 |
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| pitti | o/ | 18:04 |
| pitti | I had a topic for -intel | 18:04 |
| pitti | so, we have our first alpha-1 next Thursday | 18:04 |
| pitti | I think it would be nice if we could upload -intel 2.7.0 and turn on UXA by default | 18:04 |
| pitti | so that we can run our karmic "target" architecture for as long as possible, and collect feedback early | 18:04 |
| pitti | given how long it takes to fix some of those bugs, we can't start early enough I think | 18:05 |
| pitti | bryce: do you think that's reasonable? | 18:06 |
| pitti | or is there something blocking that? | 18:06 |
| bryce | well | 18:06 |
| bryce | right now we have a lot of UXA bugs, and in talking with Intel I see we have some leverage to get attention on these | 18:07 |
| bryce | if we move ahead and enable UXA I sort of worry Intel may conclude that we no longer consider them blocking issues, and give them less priority | 18:07 |
| pitti | bryce: so you want them to fix the first wave of then first? | 18:07 |
| pitti | s/then/them/ | 18:07 |
| bryce | ideally, yes, if it doesn't impact our schedule for KMS enablement | 18:08 |
| pitti | (btw, I enabled that here, but no noticeable difference, even with usplash disabled) | 18:08 |
| bryce | what I am doing these days is basically 75% triaging/upstreaming UXA bugs and 25% KMS preparations | 18:08 |
| bryce | I've written a script to generate reports on current state of UXA bugs, that I send to Intel | 18:09 |
| pitti | okay, I see | 18:09 |
| bryce | I'll send a copy of the next one to ubuntu-devel@ for transparency | 18:09 |
| pitti | bryce: so perhaps 2.7.0 with exa, as in the xorg-edgers PPA? | 18:09 |
| bryce | for KMS, I'm working on putting together a wiki page to howto and capture testing results... link in a sec | 18:09 |
| bryce | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting <-- still a WIP | 18:10 |
| bryce | pitti: yes 2.7.0/exa is available now from https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/ | 18:10 |
| bryce | I can also upload that for karmic... I started doing that but got distracted for some reason. Should be up this week at the latest. | 18:11 |
| pitti | I just wondered whether there are specific reasons to hold it back | 18:11 |
| bryce | oh yeah I remember - the package in x-updates doesn't have the patches included in our 2.6.3 version, so I need to take time to do the merging | 18:11 |
| pitti | bryce: if you say that not enabling it by default yet will increase pressure to fix uxa bugs, so much the better :) | 18:11 |
| bryce | that's the plan :-) | 18:12 |
| pitti | ok, thanks for the heads-up | 18:12 |
| bryce | so far there are >20 bugs which will be regressions once we enable UXA | 18:12 |
| bryce | those are freshly tested; and that seems like a lot to me given that people are having to manually enable it at this point, I'd like to cut that down a lot before switching over | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: Yingying_Zhao will be hosting weekly calls starting next week, so I'll be able to cover your bug list for you there | 18:13 |
| bryce | great | 18:13 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 18:14 |
| kenvandine_wk | one thing | 18:14 |
| bryce | calc, how's your son doing? | 18:14 |
| kenvandine_wk | i will be emailing everyone soon to test an update to u1 :) | 18:14 |
| rickspencer3 | meeting adjourned? | 18:15 |
| bryce | thanks! | 18:15 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine_wk: right. What was the uptake on U1? | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | did everyone on the desktop team install it? | 18:15 |
| rickspencer3 | (hint hint) | 18:15 |
| awe | +1 | 18:15 |
| kenvandine_wk | rickspencer3: i don't have reports from everyone | 18:15 |
| kenvandine_wk | you, pitti and Riddell for sure | 18:16 |
| rickspencer3 | okay, we'll look for your email, and set something up so we can get everyone on it | 18:16 |
| awe | kenvandine_wk: what kind of report do you need? | 18:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | well, bug reports | 18:16 |
| calc | bryce: doing ok now | 18:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | does it work for you | 18:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | etc | 18:16 |
| calc | bryce: he was sick about a week | 18:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | awe: basically we want as many people to really use it as possible | 18:16 |
| kenvandine_wk | there are lots of bugs fixed since last week, so there should be a new package soon | 18:17 |
| awe | kenvandine_wk: cool. i had problems with it a few weeks back, but it's been solid ever since. nice work | 18:17 |
| kenvandine_wk | i will mail the group when it is ready | 18:17 |
| bryce | calc: good to hear | 18:17 |
| kenvandine_wk | it won't sync my data yet :/ | 18:18 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks kenvandine_wk | 18:18 |
| rickspencer3 | calc: glad your son is on the mend! | 18:18 |
| * rickspencer3 wishes he had a gavel | 18:18 | |
| rickspencer3 | thanks all! | 18:18 |
| asac | thanks | 18:18 |
| rickspencer3 | mdz: hi! | 18:18 |
| mdz | howdy, desktop folk | 18:19 |
| kenvandine_wk | hey mdz | 18:19 |
| asac | welcome ;) | 18:19 |
| bryce | hi mdz | 18:19 |
| pitti | hey mdz | 18:21 |
| calc | hi | 18:22 |
| miha | i disabled all gnome effects..this ubuntu cute volume thing doesnt work with dekstop things | 18:40 |
| miha | and especially not with any movie player | 18:40 |
| miha | can i complain about that? :) | 18:40 |
| hyperair | what if i said no? | 18:41 |
| miha | i already said it :) | 18:41 |
| hyperair | oh whoops | 18:41 |
| miha | hehe | 18:41 |
| miha | is it known bug? does it matter i use ATI and the just support this effects? :) | 18:42 |
| hyperair | ? | 18:42 |
| hyperair | i don't understand you | 18:42 |
| chrisccoulson | hey pitti - i'm looking at getting tracker 0.7.0 ready for karmic. it has a new build-dependency on a package currently in universe though | 18:42 |
| chrisccoulson | not sure what to do :/ | 18:42 |
| pitti | chrisccoulson: disable it, or file a MIR if it isn't crackful | 18:43 |
| miha | hyperair if i have gnome effects enabled,play divx in full screen.. and i either swith program or press volume up, Xorg crashes and then everything hangs | 18:43 |
| miha | switch | 18:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i had a look at disabling it, and it doesn't look possible. the dependency is valac, which i think is only needed at build-time | 18:43 |
| chrisccoulson | i can file a MIR for that | 18:44 |
| * hyperair washes his hands off this issue and goes to sleep | 18:44 | |
| miha | hyperair sweet tight!:) | 18:44 |
| miha | sleep | 18:44 |
| hyperair | can't help you there. i'm using intel and got my own share of rubbish | 18:44 |
| miha | hehe | 18:44 |
| * hyperair glares in the general direction of the intel gpu driver devels | 18:44 | |
| miha | hyperair well i disabled effects, again those nvidia kids will brag :( | 18:44 |
| miha | hyperair take care | 18:45 |
| hyperair | thanks | 18:46 |
| hyperair | you too | 18:46 |
| pochu | miha: you could try nouveau, not sure it will help though :-) | 18:46 |
| pochu | miha: #ubuntu-x sounds more appropriate though | 18:47 |
| miha | pochu i think problem is that these effects dont work with xv on ati drivers | 18:49 |
| miha | i might be wrong | 18:49 |
| miha | i had problems only with moview | 18:49 |
| miha | movies | 18:49 |
| pochu | oh, you have ati not nvidia | 18:50 |
| pochu | I misread then, sorry | 18:50 |
| miha | yeah, only in newest drivers they even support composite + direct rendering :) | 18:50 |
| miha | i guess it will get better?! :) | 18:50 |
| pochu | anyway it sounds offtopic here, this is not a support channel :-) | 18:50 |
| miha | okey sorry | 18:51 |
| miha | just i think such questions are ignored on the help channel :) | 18:51 |
| miha | take care | 18:51 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: any chance you could weed your blueprints today? | 18:51 |
| bryce | um, yeah... | 18:52 |
| bryce | rickspencer3: can we merge desktop-karmic-intel-video-retrospective into one of the others? | 18:56 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: sure, whatever you want | 18:56 |
| rickspencer3 | I have to take a call now, can you send mail or ping me this afternoon? | 18:57 |
| rickspencer3 | oh wait | 18:57 |
| rickspencer3 | actually, we should probably keep that one on it's own | 18:57 |
| rickspencer3 | (or cut it) | 18:57 |
| james_w | bryce: there's a jaunty retrospective on the foundations track that it could perhaps be merged in to? | 19:02 |
| bryce | james_w: mm possibly, esp. since we found that the core issues for the -intel driver issues was actually kernel changes needed, not localized to X/userspace | 19:04 |
| james_w | you could chat to robbie, as it sounds like you would like a couple of kernel people there as well | 19:05 |
| bryce | james_w: you mean pete? | 19:10 |
| james_w | yeah, I guess him too | 19:10 |
| james_w | I meant ask Robbie what he was planning to use the session for, and whether he could pull in a couple of people from each team for it | 19:10 |
| bryce | oh gotcha | 19:10 |
| bryce | well, rick had asked for this session specifically, so I'll leave it to his judgment | 19:11 |
| bryce | I suppose people will appreciate having a dedicated session to complain about all the problems that resulted from updating -intel past 2.4 | 19:12 |
| james_w | heh :-) | 19:12 |
| * awe goes offline for awhile... back online @ 4 EDT | 19:27 | |
| artir | the meeting is over? | 19:28 |
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| === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk | ||
| crevette | hello | 20:03 |
| calc | wow that was nice of xorg... it crashed in the middle of me using it | 20:28 |
| calc | not even on a sleep/resume change or something more obvious like that | 20:29 |
| chrisccoulson | You need to add `Option "NoCrashyForCalc" 1` or something to your xorg.conf ;) | 20:30 |
| calc | hehe | 20:32 |
| calc | it went to a bright green screen with bits of it blinking then back to gdm login | 20:32 |
| calc | its the first time i've seen it crash in probably a month | 20:32 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i haven't actually seen it crash for many months. although i have had a garbled screen occasionally | 20:33 |
| chrisccoulson | does any compiler like gcc display visible strings with proper internationalization? | 20:40 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 21:18 |
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