[00:39] <Rocket2DMn> hey, where is the serverguide in the hardy branch?
[00:44] <Rocket2DMn> nvm found it
[01:42] <Rocket2DMn> ping nhandler
[01:47] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, you there?
[01:49] <Shane_Fagan> Is anyone looking after Bug #187133 ?
[01:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 187133 in ubuntu-docs "The section Listen to online audio streams is out-of-date and requires rework." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187133
[01:55] <Rocket2DMn> go for it Shane_Fagan
[01:55] <Shane_Fagan> Sure im just about done now
[02:11] <Shane_Fagan> Im updating the section on internet radio streams should I include info about vlc?
[02:14] <Shane_Fagan> Ah ill just mention that other media players support internet radio streams
[02:24] <Shane_Fagan> Its quite annoying that rhythmbox's future in ubuntu is so uncertain. I added banshee just in case. Can someone review my patch and see if its ok? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26334390/AudioStreams.diff
[04:05] <nhandler> If I am giving an example command that should be entered in the terminal, how should I denote text that the user needs to input. For example, 'sudo apt-get install <package>'. Should I put the item the user needs to change in <>'s, make it italicized, or something else?
[04:14] <persia> I always liked the use of monospace sans-serif for that, personally, but I don't know the relevant standards applied within the group.
[15:57] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: *ping
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, did i move bug 371927 into the right package?
[22:42] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371927 in gnome-user-docs "documentation Section 2.4.2 -  Adding Workspaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371927
[22:42] <Rocket2DMn> it was in ubuntu-docs, but after much frustration not finding what the user was talking about, i downloading the lp:gnome-user-docs and found it there
[22:50] <Shane_Fagan> DougieRichardson: I put up another diff for you :)
[22:52] <Shane_Fagan> Bug #187133
[22:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 187133 in ubuntu-docs "The section Listen to online audio streams is out-of-date and requires rework." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187133
[22:56] <DougieRichardson> Shane_fagan: hi, I'll take a look in a mo - in ubuntu-learning meeting
[22:57] <Shane_Fagan> No bother take your time
[22:57] <nhandler> What is the proper way to denote a placeholder in a command that the user needs to replace? For example, 'sudo apt-get install <package>'
[22:59] <DougieRichardson> good question
[23:01] <DougieRichardson> There isn't an example I can think of off the top of my head, is there anything in the command line section of the advanced topics?
[23:01] <nhandler> I'll look in a little bit. I have a MOTU Meeting followed by a BT meeting followed by a Wiki FG meeting ;)
[23:01] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: Assuming that link is correct then the bug is likely in the workspace-switcher manual itself, that's probably a part of the gnome-panel package iirc
[23:02] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: Think it can get away with using $USER etc
[23:02] <DougieRichardson> I'll have a look too but from memory I'm inclined to think we don't use placeholders
[23:03] <DougieRichardson> dsas_: hi mate, I dunno - people might feel the need to include the $ literal
[23:03] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: For the command line section that's ok
[23:03] <dsas_> echo $USER gives your username
[23:04] <dsas_> Re-reading that, my first line wasn't very clear. sorry
[23:05] <DougieRichardson> agreed but if you did a sudo apt-get install $package-name it would bomb, wouldn't it?
[23:05] <dsas_> yes
[23:05] <dsas_> Sorry, wasn't suggesting it was a good idea to do that. Was just explaining what basic commands did
[23:05] <DougieRichardson> oh sorry dude, long day
[23:06] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: content being able to crash yelp is also a bug
[23:09] <DougieRichardson> which bug
[23:11] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: 371927
[23:11] <dsas_> DougieRichardson: bug 371927
[23:11] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 371927 in gnome-user-docs "documentation Section 2.4.2 -  Adding Workspaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371927
[23:11] <dsas_> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=549302 looks related
[23:11] <ubot4`> Gnome bug 549302 in docs "Window List and Workspace Switch applet help title "Problem Showing Document"" [Minor,Unconfirmed]
[23:14] <DougieRichardson> Is this not a yelp problem?
[23:14] <DougieRichardson> Although, it might be worth double checking the relevant source, I've crashed yelp before with my text
[23:18] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, thanks for the response. there were a couple of packages i looked into for that
[23:19] <dsas_> Hmm, actually the source validates
[23:19] <dsas_> /usr/share/gnome/help/workspace-switcher/C/workspace-switcher.xml
[23:21] <DougieRichardson> Have you cat it - its deprecated
[23:21] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, that file is not where the content is
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> dsas_, in the gnome2-user-guide source, the content is in gosoverview.xml
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> when i run "dpkg -S gosoverview.xml" i see gnome-user-guide
[23:22] <dsas_> heh, was just reading it, after validating it. Sorry you're right
[23:22] <Rocket2DMn> but i saw more bugs filed against gnome-user-docs
[23:23] <Rocket2DMn> although there isnt a gnome-user-docs package in ubuntu
[23:23] <Rocket2DMn> i guess gnome-user-guide is the right package?
[23:24] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: gnome-user-docs is the source package iirc.
[23:24] <Rocket2DMn> i am horrible about finding my way through documents, i cnat seem to find a logical connection between how stuff appears in yelp and how the docs are laid out
[23:24] <DougieRichardson> That file does crash yelp
[23:24] <Rocket2DMn> it always takes me forever to find what im looking for when somebody files a bug
[23:25] <dsas_> Rocket2DMn: It is often tricky. Specially as the search isn't great either.
[23:25] <Rocket2DMn> so we're sure it's gnome-user-guide?
[23:26] <dsas_> yep
[23:26] <DougieRichardson> looks like it
[23:26] <Rocket2DMn> lol gnome-user-guide isnt a valid option on lp
[23:27] <dsas_> gah
[23:27] <dsas_> it's gnome-user-docs
[23:27] <Rocket2DMn> how do we know
[23:28] <dsas_> gnome-user-docs is the source package of gnome2-user-guide, the problem is either with that or with yelp
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> how did you find that out?
[23:28] <Rocket2DMn> gnome2-user-guide isnt installed by default
[23:29] <Rocket2DMn> only gnome-user-guide
[23:29] <Rocket2DMn> man after 2 years i have yet to figure this packaging stuff out...
[23:30] <dsas_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/gnome-user-guide
[23:30] <dsas_> at the bottom it says the source package.
[23:30] <dsas_> I think they renamed it from gnome2-user-guide to gnome-user-guide at some stage.
[23:32] <Rocket2DMn> how did you navigate to that page exactly?
[23:33] <Rocket2DMn> looks liek they replaced it after gutsy btw
[23:33] <dsas_> I searched for gnome-user-guide
[23:34] <dsas_> or something
[23:34] <Rocket2DMn> ok, thanks
[23:34] <dsas_> I tend to search or hack the URLs, browsing LP is a pita
[23:35] <dsas_> dean@flik:/usr/share/gnome/help$ xmllint --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid user-guide/C/gospanel.xml
[23:35] <dsas_> validity error : no DTD found!
[23:35] <dsas_> Document user-guide/C/gospanel.xml does not validate
[23:35] <dsas_> that is the correct file right2?
[23:36] <Rocket2DMn> gosoverview.xml
[23:37] <Shane_Fagan> DougieRichardson:  So have you reviewed my patch?
[23:37] <dsas_> oh gah, I get validation errors all over that directory, user-guide.xml is the root of it
[23:38] <dsas_> doesn't seem right, as I can view most of it in yelp
[23:38]  * dsas_ is confused
[23:40] <DougieRichardson> Its in one of the files it links to - one sec I think I see it
[23:41] <Rocket2DMn> ok thanks dsas_ , i'll backtrace yelp later for that
[23:41] <Rocket2DMn> gotta get food right now though
[23:45] <DougieRichardson> dsas_:there's an anchor and title tag transposed - just looking for them
[23:55] <dsas_> hmm, just noticed my name is listed as an author of user-guide/C/user-guide.xml I don't remember adding that
[23:59] <DougieRichardson> lol