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| gnomefreak | if someone is here what is the name of the package that allows you to use mouse in text mode (TTY#) | 06:32 |
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| asac | dtchen: thanks for clarifying. | 09:45 |
| asac | odd | 10:35 |
| asac | hmm. launchpad mailing lists are not normal mailing list as it seems ;) | 10:35 |
| asac | can someone try to subscribe to https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily mailing list? | 10:36 |
| * asac wonders if that works without being a team member at all | 10:36 | |
| Jazzva | asac: the daily bot checks if the version of last changelog entry is greater, or greater or equal than current in PPA? | 13:31 |
| asac | Jazzva: i think it doesnt check that at all | 13:31 |
| asac | it relis on the fac tthat the auto created version is higher | 13:32 |
| Jazzva | asac: re: mailing list - Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. ... that's what I get | 13:32 |
| Jazzva | asac: well, I made a mistake in the yesterday's upload, so I want to push a new revision. current ppa has version 0.9.9+svn20090504r25221-0ubuntu1~umd1. Will it start build today if I adjust version in changelog to 0.9.9+svn20090504r25221-0ubuntu1? | 13:33 |
| asac | Jazzva: well. today it will be 0.9.9+svn20090505 ;) | 13:34 |
| asac | so it doesnt matter if you change changelog version or not | 13:34 |
| Jazzva | asac: ok... sooo, it will autostart build every day. Ok then :) | 13:35 |
| asac | yeah | 13:36 |
| asac | the bot bumps changelog every day | 13:36 |
| asac | we only change changelog version in bzr if we need to modify something because of a change from upstream | 13:36 |
| asac | like adjusting patches | 13:36 |
| asac | or new .install files or something | 13:36 |
| asac | of course we also bump changelog when we bake a real release for archive | 13:37 |
| Jazzva | asac: aha... ok | 13:37 |
| Jazzva | asac: ok, pushed new revision, it should build today :) | 13:37 |
| asac | prism? | 13:38 |
| asac | great | 13:38 |
| asac | does it work ;)? | 13:38 |
| Jazzva | asac: well, if the latest trunk is ok, it will work :) | 13:39 |
| Jazzva | I have to pull it and run test build to see :) | 13:39 |
| asac | Jazzva: i think the channel for this is #labs on irc.mozilla.org | 13:40 |
| Jazzva | asac: Ok, I'll report there if it's not working. Though, I suppose they know if their trunk is not in the working state atm | 13:41 |
| asac | Jazzva: i wouldnt be so sure about that | 13:41 |
| asac | Jazzva: they mostly work on a firefox extension that uses firefox to run those apps | 13:42 |
| asac | we however, have a firefox extension and also the standalone ... and we dont use firefox, but xulrunner | 13:42 |
| Jazzva | asac: ok, I'll report if it fails to build :) | 13:43 |
| Jazzva | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/164901/ ... do we know about these errors? | 13:48 |
| Jazzva | (reported by lintian) | 13:48 |
| asac | Jazzva: yeah thats really wrong | 13:49 |
| asac | Jazzva: its a bit of a mess | 13:49 |
| asac | i think the /usr/share/prism/prism dir should be in /usr/lib/prism | 13:49 |
| Jazzva | and there are other warnings, but I didn't paste them | 13:50 |
| asac | and /usr/share/prism/prism should be a link to that dir | 13:50 |
| Jazzva | asac: it's working now :) | 13:50 |
| asac | Jazzva: i think its somehow still messy | 13:51 |
| asac | we have /usr/lib/prism-0.9.9 | 13:51 |
| asac | thats afaik supposed to be the same as /usr/share/prism/prism | 13:51 |
| asac | but its not | 13:51 |
| asac | so in theory the link should go to the versioned dir | 13:51 |
| asac | Jazzva: what is working? | 13:51 |
| asac | prism? | 13:51 |
| Jazzva | asac: prism... it's loading a website | 13:52 |
| asac | great | 13:52 |
| asac | so the patch was the problem | 13:52 |
| asac | good | 13:52 |
| Jazzva | asac: yes... | 13:52 |
| asac | Jazzva: can you check if prism still works if you do the link stuff? | 13:52 |
| asac | e.g. ln -s /usr/lib/prism-0.9.9 /usr/share/prism/prism | 13:52 |
| asac | (first removing /usr/share...) | 13:52 |
| Jazzva | sure | 13:53 |
| asac | Jazzva: i guess the "res" dir is missing | 13:53 |
| asac | Jazzva: maybe backup the /usr7share thing so you can experiment whats wrong | 13:53 |
| asac | in the end its supposed to work from command line | 13:53 |
| asac | but also the extension in firefox is supposed to work | 13:53 |
| asac | Jazzva: the extension can be tested by using tools -> Convert website to application in firefox | 13:55 |
| Jazzva | asac: after this http://paste.ubuntu.com/164904/ all of prism is still working | 13:55 |
| Jazzva | asac: that's what I used | 13:55 |
| asac | ah | 13:55 |
| asac | Jazzva: does prism-twitter still work? | 13:55 |
| asac | e.g. we have wrapper packages for some stuff | 13:55 |
| Jazzva | yes | 13:56 |
| Jazzva | it's working... | 13:56 |
| Jazzva | (running prism-twitter from terminal) | 13:56 |
| asac | /usr/share/prism/prism/prism | 13:56 |
| asac | whats that? | 13:56 |
| asac | ah ;) | 13:56 |
| asac | thats the binary | 13:56 |
| asac | wow | 13:56 |
| Jazzva | erm... running prism for the first time, then with just "prism" | 13:56 |
| asac | nice | 13:57 |
| asac | so prism is in good shape again ;) | 13:57 |
| Jazzva | looks like it is... | 13:57 |
| asac | Jazzva: can you try to fix the packaging like you did ? | 13:57 |
| asac | e.g. the link stuff | 13:57 |
| asac | and so on? | 13:57 |
| asac | that might be a bit tricky | 13:57 |
| Jazzva | I suppose I can try... | 13:57 |
| Jazzva | asac: I'll check where I should fix that (in what file)... | 13:58 |
| asac | Jazzva: i think the problem is that this whole tree gets packed into the xpi | 13:58 |
| Jazzva | asac: we should also get prism-identica package... afaics, more people are using identica (at least in Ubuntu) | 13:59 |
| asac | and the xpi.mk just extracts it | 13:59 |
| asac | so we can either remove that dir and replace it with a link _after_ xpi stuff was run | 13:59 |
| asac | or we can cleanup the xpi before | 13:59 |
| Jazzva | asac: then I'll fix debian/rules for prism... | 13:59 |
| asac | i would think the post stuff is the thing | 13:59 |
| asac | Jazzva: right | 13:59 |
| asac | Jazzva: we can add prism-identica | 13:59 |
| asac | Jazzva: we just need a good icon afaik | 13:59 |
| asac | for the .desktop file | 14:00 |
| Jazzva | asac: http://twitter.com/Jazzva/status/1705728373 :) | 14:00 |
| Jazzva | asac: post stuff? | 14:01 |
| asac | Jazzva: yes, after the xpi.mk did its job | 14:01 |
| asac | Jazzva: ok i think we should sanitize the .xpi here: | 14:02 |
| asac | refractor.xpi:: build/prism | 14:02 |
| asac | e.g. remove the whole prism tree there | 14:02 |
| asac | then you can just create the link in binary-install | 14:02 |
| asac | a bit below that rule in rules | 14:03 |
| Jazzva | asac: ok, found it | 14:04 |
| Jazzva | asac: I'll do a bit of VHDL for school now, then I'll dig into this, if that's not a problem :) | 14:04 |
| asac | h_link -pprism usr/lib/prism-addons/extensions $(DEBIAN_PRISM_DIR)/extensions | 14:05 |
| asac | dh_link -pprism $(DEBIAN_PRISM_DIR) /usr/share/prism/prism | 14:05 |
| asac | Jazzva: i think that one in binary-install/prism:: | 14:05 |
| asac | Jazzva: assuming you removed the prism subtree from the zip in the other rule | 14:06 |
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| Jazzva | asac: done, still working | 14:18 |
| Jazzva | asac: done, still working. Do we need to add libc depends? lintian says so :) | 14:23 |
| Jazzva | asac: pushed new revision. Off to do a bit of VHDL | 14:28 |
| asac | Jazzva: well. the problem is that there is still binary stuff somewhere in /usr/share i would think | 14:29 |
| Jazzva | asac: lintian doesn't report it | 14:29 |
| micahg | hi asac | 14:30 |
| Jazzva | asac: I'll paste you all warnings and errors, just to get them | 14:30 |
| Jazzva | asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/164919/ | 14:33 |
| asac | micahg: hi. i will be available in ~1.5h | 14:51 |
| asac | have to do lunch and have a call then and so on ;) | 14:52 |
| micahg | ok | 14:53 |
| gnomefreak | i hate python | 15:30 |
| gnomefreak | who ever runs gwibber daily need to update depends on python in python-feedparser. I have it fixed locally | 15:31 |
| gnomefreak | pushed to my PPA for karmic users | 15:33 |
| micahg | asac: ping? | 16:25 |
| asac | micahg: hi | 16:25 |
| asac | sorry took a bit | 16:25 |
| micahg | hi | 16:25 |
| asac | micahg: so first, i saw a bunch of your bug triaging ... and i think its really great ;) | 16:25 |
| micahg | cool | 16:26 |
| micahg | that's what I wanted to check | 16:26 |
| micahg | I didn't want to make a mess of your package | 16:26 |
| asac | the amount of bugs against mozilla is really too huge | 16:26 |
| asac | micahg: yeah. i think we can still improve things | 16:26 |
| asac | micahg: look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook | 16:26 |
| micahg | so all the dups for that master last night were ok? | 16:26 |
| asac | thats basically a simple receipt book for mozilla bugs in new/incomplete | 16:27 |
| asac | micahg: i dont know if all are ok. i saw that you usually did good work, so i didnt control everything ;) | 16:27 |
| asac | micahg: if you are in doubt i am always here for a question | 16:27 |
| micahg | ok | 16:27 |
| micahg | great | 16:27 |
| asac | micahg: so are you currently working on some specific bugs like New/incomplete? | 16:28 |
| asac | or just all bugmail that comes? | 16:28 |
| micahg | Bugs in New status | 16:29 |
| asac | ah ok. thats great | 16:29 |
| micahg | trying to either merge, invalidate, or convert to Q | 16:29 |
| asac | micahg: does what i wrote in the triagers handbook make sense? | 16:29 |
| micahg | yes | 16:29 |
| micahg | You might want to link that page to this one | 16:29 |
| micahg | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses | 16:29 |
| asac | micahg: feel free to clean that up ;) | 16:30 |
| micahg | also, could you add the blurb you normally use about extensions to the link above? | 16:30 |
| asac | i am not sure if the Responses are still up to date :( | 16:30 |
| micahg | oh | 16:30 |
| asac | a bit of a shame i know | 16:30 |
| micahg | well, I try to use what's on the responses page | 16:30 |
| asac | i did the triagers handbook because i thought that just "standard" answers dont help triagers to move bugs in the right direction | 16:30 |
| micahg | do I need an ubuntu account to edit the wiki? | 16:30 |
| asac | micahg: not sure. i think you need a launchpad account | 16:31 |
| asac | micahg: try to "create a new account" on the wiki page | 16:31 |
| asac | that should be enough | 16:31 |
| asac | either that gets the authentication through launchpad or you need to set yet another new password ;) | 16:31 |
| micahg | launchpad ID got me in | 16:32 |
| asac | yeah cool (cant remember when i last logged in ;))( | 16:33 |
| asac | micahg: so ... one the main purposes of doing bug triage is getting all the noisy stuff converted to question and filtered somehow; all the other bugs that are valid should end up in the normalized bug format and then forwarded to upstream bugzilla | 16:34 |
| asac | micahg: so if you get bored with "New" processing feel free to extend your work in that direction ;) | 16:34 |
| micahg | ok, sometimes I have trouble with converting to Q | 16:34 |
| asac | micahg: in which sense? | 16:34 |
| micahg | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+question/69209 | 16:35 |
| micahg | Did I goof on converting that one? | 16:35 |
| asac | micahg: i dont think you goofed it up | 16:38 |
| asac | micahg: this "flash does not work" pops regularly up | 16:39 |
| micahg | asac: ok, so I should just keep troubleshooting | 16:39 |
| micahg | oh, I have a Q for you asac | 16:39 |
| asac | micahg: wait a sec lets finish this flash thing | 16:39 |
| asac | micahg: so there are a few things that usually cause issues: | 16:39 |
| micahg | that's exactly my Q :) | 16:39 |
| asac | 1. user has some old flash installed in his profile -> Test: move .mozilla to a backup location and start firefox | 16:39 |
| micahg | Wouldn't it be easier to have a user run apport collect on ff3 and see what extension versions are installed? | 16:42 |
| asac | micahg: reconnect :( | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:39 < micahg> that's exactly my Q :) | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:39 < asac> 1. user has some old flash installed in his profile -> Test: move .mozilla to a backup location and start firefox | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:40 < asac> 2. user has multiple flash things installed and flashplugin-nonfree isnt the one used -> Test: about:plugins also shows gnash or swfdec or something | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:41 < asac> 3. the xulrunner-addons-flashplugin alternative is messed up -> Fix: user should run sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-addons-flashplugin | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:42 < asac> and select flash there | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:42 < asac> 4. same as 3. but mozilla-flashplugin alternative | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:42 < asac> note: 3. and 4. is a real sucky situation and is partly a dpkg bug ... and partly because alternatives are just nothing normal users know about | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:43 < asac> micahg: so if 3. and 4. are fixed, we have ubufox so you can switch between flash/gnash and swfdec | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:43 < asac> (thats for 2.) | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:44 < asac> whenever you are on a website that has flash on it, there is a Tools->Manage Content plugins menu entry | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:44 < asac> going there allows users to select whatever flash variant they want to use | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:44 < asac> micahg: does that make sense? | 16:46 |
| asac | 17:44 < asac> or is that too much ;) | 16:46 |
| micahg | no, that's great | 16:47 |
| micahg | regarding #1, Wouldn't it be easier to have a user run apport collect on ff3 and see what extension versions are installed? | 16:47 |
| micahg | also, can I add flash triaging to the mozilla page? | 16:48 |
| asac | micahg: feel free to reorganize the mozilla triaging page. My idea was to redo everything based on the new triagers handbook | 16:48 |
| asac | which tries to give guidance how to get bugs easily over New/incomplete/confirmed to either triaged or invalid | 16:48 |
| asac | personally i am not a fan of stock responses | 16:49 |
| asac | unless they fit perfectly it can be quite depressing to see that users that tookj the time to file bugs get ask all those questions | 16:49 |
| asac | imo its better write a short sentence ... and not something super-polite that is a stock response | 16:50 |
| asac | of course its an experience thing | 16:50 |
| micahg | well, if it's a first time a user is getting the stock response, it's probably good, if it's the 20th time, it might be annoying | 16:50 |
| micahg | so, I should feel free to free form the responses then? | 16:51 |
| asac | yeah. | 16:51 |
| asac | micahg: yes. its more efficient except for the most common cases. | 16:51 |
| asac | for instance if users have a bunch of extensions you can ask them to disable them | 16:51 |
| asac | as a first attempt | 16:52 |
| asac | micahg: the other question was whether making apport attach plugins would make sense | 16:55 |
| asac | micahg: and yes, that makes sense. and actually it does that (except that there is abug currently in the apport hoook in jaunty) | 16:55 |
| asac | similar to how apport submits ExtensionSummary list it also submits a pluginreg.dat by default | 16:55 |
| asac | problem is that tehere are no absolute paths | 16:56 |
| asac | (afaik) | 16:56 |
| asac | so we dont know if its a custom flash install or something else | 16:56 |
| asac | but usually that pluginreg.dat attached is good start | 16:56 |
| micahg | ok, I'll make a flash triage section on the wiki later tonight | 16:58 |
| asac | good. | 16:58 |
| asac | micahg: if you could try out the triagers handbook that would be great too | 16:58 |
| micahg | yes, I will try to use it | 16:58 |
| asac | micahg: if it gets in your way or feels incomplete we can see what we do | 16:59 |
| micahg | ok, when are you normally around? | 16:59 |
| asac | but personally i think its a good improvement because it shows an easy path towards getting bugs triaged | 16:59 |
| micahg | yes, Ubuntu has something similar now | 16:59 |
| asac | micahg: european business hours but usually i am in here in the european evening as well | 16:59 |
| micahg | are you GMT? | 17:00 |
| asac | i am GMT+1 (or +2 depending on daylight saving) | 17:00 |
| asac | @time | 17:00 |
| asac | ubottu: time? | 17:01 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about time? | 17:01 |
| asac | ubottu: time | 17:01 |
| ubottu | Information about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP) | 17:01 |
| asac | tse | 17:01 |
| asac | too bad | 17:01 |
| asac | !time | 17:01 |
| asac | time | 17:01 |
| asac | forget it ;) | 17:01 |
| asac | @now | 17:01 |
| asac | i dont even know which bot did that | 17:01 |
| asac | anyway ... Europe/Berlin timezoon | 17:01 |
| asac | zone | 17:01 |
| asac | thats CET+2 atm afaik | 17:01 |
| asac | err GMT+2 | 17:01 |
| asac | ;) | 17:01 |
| asac | UTC+2 | 17:01 |
| micahg | ok | 17:02 |
| micahg | I'm GMT -5 or 6 | 17:02 |
| micahg | so we're 8 hours apart | 17:02 |
| micahg | 7 right now | 17:02 |
| micahg | so I'm more likely to catch you in the evening | 17:02 |
| micahg | or early morning | 17:02 |
| micahg | before I go to bed | 17:02 |
| asac | micahg: thats ok i am usually starting late ;) | 17:09 |
| asac | more like a night owl | 17:09 |
| micahg | ok | 17:09 |
| micahg | about the flash bugs | 17:10 |
| micahg | should I start duping them? | 17:10 |
| micahg | or should they all be on their own? | 17:10 |
| micahg | there are about 200 new flash bugs just in ff3 | 17:10 |
| asac | micahg: first: those flash bugs are all not firefox, but flashplugin-nonfree usually | 17:16 |
| asac | so move them to that package | 17:16 |
| micahg | ok | 17:17 |
| micahg | what makes it a FF bug? | 17:17 |
| micahg | if anything? | 17:17 |
| asac | micahg: its really really unlikely that its a firefox issue | 17:18 |
| micahg | ok, so I should move all of them? | 17:18 |
| asac | micahg: if they complain about flash not working at all, then you can move them. if they say that sometimes there are grey areas, but sometimes it works | 17:18 |
| asac | it can either be nspluginwrapper (if they use that) or a pulseaudio bug ... which causes flash to block and sometimes not redraw | 17:18 |
| micahg | ok, also, some people aren't using the adobe flash | 17:19 |
| micahg | so, I should leave those in FF or move them to the appropriate package? | 17:19 |
| micahg | also, for people using gnash or swfdec, I can jsut propose using the adobe flash or should we try to debug the otheres? | 17:20 |
| asac | micahg: at best we would teach them how to use ubufox to normally use gnash .. and only if it doesnt work switch to adobe | 17:24 |
| micahg | asac: well, gnash doesn't support higher than flash 8 I thought | 17:25 |
| micahg | I agree with you in principle | 17:25 |
| micahg | but for newbies, it seems like it'll cause more trouble than it's worth | 17:26 |
| micahg | brb 10 min | 17:26 |
| micahg | asac: i'll have to continue this with you later | 17:44 |
| micahg | I have to go to work | 17:44 |
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| asac | xul 1.9.2 dailies fail to build (patch doesnt apply ;)) | 20:48 |
| Jazzva | asac: ok, I'll check xul later... | 22:44 |
| dtchen | Jazzva: are you still experiencing the "volume diminishes until inaudible after inserting headphones" symptom? | 22:48 |
| Jazzva | dtchen: hmm, somehow external mic jack is working now, but internal mic is not working. brb, on the phone right now | 22:49 |
| Jazzva | dtchen: back. I changed some parameter, related to snd_hda_intel, to "dell-bios" or something similar in some configuration file. After that, external mic jack is working perfectly, but internal analog mic is not working. It's a bug, but it's not really bothering me... That internal mic is a piece of crap | 23:19 |
| Jazzva | dtchen: I added "options snd-hda-intel model=3stack" to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf | 23:26 |
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