[00:01] <Seeker`> elky: hi, btw :)
[00:02] <elky> short hi
[00:02]  * LjL thinks "icecream" is a perfectly valid word for "gelato" in english
[00:05] <elky> if you dont mind that gelato is not like conventional icecream
[00:06] <LjL> is it not?
[00:06] <elky> nope. ask your sister how icecream differs from gelato.
[00:06] <bazhang> not the same at all.
[00:07] <bazhang> gelato is yuck for starters.
[00:07] <elky> gelato is way sweeter and less creamy
[00:07] <LjL> elky, the "ice cream" article on wikipedia seems to describe gelato.
[00:08] <LjL> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelato basically says "it's gelato with a different name that is used in italy"
[00:09] <elky> read the second paragraph of the icecream page
[00:10] <mneptok> LjL: "sorbet" is more an English equivalent
[00:10] <mneptok> *shrug*
[00:10] <LjL> there is a word "sorbetto" in italian
[00:10] <LjL> and it's not the same as gelato at all
[00:10] <LjL> "sorbetto" has no milky components, "gelato" does
[00:11] <mneptok> LjL: there is the word "food" in English, and Italians find it to be heresy ;)
[00:11] <LjL> "cibo"?
[00:11] <LjL> substance apt or adaptable to be eaten?
[00:11] <mneptok> "Big Mac? FOOD?! Cosa tu fai?"
[00:12] <LjL> that something is "food" doesn't automatically make it a good idea to put it in your body.
[00:12] <LjL> unless you have no other choices.
[00:12] <Seeker`> @bansearch willie__
[00:12] <bazhang> #ubuntu-gaming is an official channel ?
[00:12] <LjL> nevertheless, it is food
[00:12] <LjL> bazhang: i remember something about it.
[00:13] <LjL> in other words, we probably were at some time aware of its existence, and didn't kill it.
[00:13] <bazhang> LjL, someone is asking about it in -irc
[00:13] <LjL> i know
[00:23] <elky> well, off to work i go
[00:23] <Seeker`> have fnu
[00:45] <maco> mr_bo_jangles just pasted some long string of escape sequences in #ubuntu
[00:45] <Seeker`> yeah
[00:45] <Seeker`> setreuid(geteuid, geteuid) + execve(/bin/sh)
[00:45] <Seeker`> any idea what that would do?
[00:46] <maco> manpages...lets see...
[00:46] <Seeker`> (I was just looking in to it)
[00:46] <LjL> hah
[00:46] <maco> what? manpages-dev is a useful package
[00:46] <LjL> no, i was just laughing about the string itself
[00:47] <Seeker`> 'm guessing that it opens a "root" shell
[00:47] <maco> that's what i would guess too
[00:47] <maco> but it looks like it's C so just executing it on the cli shouldn't do anything....right?
[00:47] <LjL> yeah i'm also guessing it doesn't unless you actually compile it, though
[00:47] <LjL> probably taken from some buffer exploit
[00:48] <LjL> not very useful by itself
[00:48] <maco> geteuid is the UID of the calling process
[00:48] <Seeker`> http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/6272
[00:48] <maco> sets the real user id to match the effective user id
[00:50] <maco> Linux: If the real user ID is set or the effective user ID is set to  a
[00:50] <maco>        value  not  equal  to  the previous real user ID, the saved set-user-ID
[00:50] <maco>        will be set to the new effective user ID.
[00:50] <maco> so i dont *think* it can change the uid that way
[00:50] <Seeker`> xray7224 complained to mr_bo_jangles when I kicked him
[00:50] <Seeker`> (kicked xray7224)
[00:59] <LjL> oh lord sebsebseb made his own channel
[00:59] <LjL> should have expected it
[01:04] <Seeker`> billisnice: how can we hlep you?
[01:04] <billisnice> is this ubuntu?
[01:05] <LjL> what does the name suggest?
[01:05] <billisnice> not sure, i been lost for a few days  lol
[01:06] <LjL> have you followed the instructions to fix the router issue?
[01:06] <billisnice> how do i set up chatzilla to get ubuntu? i get it says =-= YOU are now known as billisnice2  but there is no one in the room buy me
[01:06] <LjL> if so, have you asked the bots for a test?
[01:06] <billisnice> i did and keep getting [error]
[01:07] <LjL> [error]?
[01:07] <LjL> care to try again please?
[01:07] <billisnice> 	Connection to irc://irc.example.org/ (irc://irc.example.org/) timed out. [Help] Reconnecting in 8 minutes. [Cancel]
[01:08] <billisnice> still no go
[01:08] <billisnice> i use to connect for yrs without server errors
[01:08] <billisnice> only recently i got errors
[01:08] <LjL> i meant, care to try again *asking for a test* on the bots channel?
[01:09] <LjL> ah dear watson
[01:10] <bazhang> wonder if sebsebseb will tell people to /j #mychan while he is in #ubuntu
[01:10] <LjL> billisnice: you really need to change the port you connect to to 8001
[01:10] <bazhang> he did that before with #megworld or somesuch
[01:10] <Seeker`> aha, mr_bo_jangles was in #megworld
[01:10] <billisnice> how do i change the port?
[01:10] <billisnice> what command do i type in?
[01:11] <billisnice> chatzilla
[01:11] <LjL> i don't know in chatzilla
[01:11] <LjL> how about a real client?
[01:11] <billisnice> what works with windows? I have windows for work at home
[01:12] <LjL> ah, windows, tricky.
[01:12] <LjL> billisnice: try /server irc.freenode.net 8001
[01:14] <billisnice> does not work, i get *NickServ*	This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.	=-=	User mode for Administrator_ is now +
[01:14] <LjL> that doesn't mean it didn't work.
[01:14] <LjL> it simply means it's complaining that the nickname "billisnice" is already taken, and it is, by yourself.
[01:15] <billisnice> when i change my name to billisnice 2, it is only me in the room
[01:15] <LjL> in *what* room
[01:16] <LjL> billisnice2 doesn't appear to be in any "room".
[01:17] <LjL> billisnice why don't you try asking in #freenode or ##windows, perhaps someone is using chatzilla there
[01:17] <maco> billisnice: you can get XChat for Windows from http://silverex.org
[01:17] <maco> (for the record, it was the "rejecting keyboard input"  reason from my Quit message)
[01:17] <maco> LjL: i think he means he wants to be billisnice but keeps being told it's registered to someone else and so he's being kicked to billisnice2
[01:18] <billisnice> i am saving xchat
[01:18] <billisnice> i will run the exe when it downloads
[01:18] <LjL> maco: at any rate, /server is only a temporary solution that isn't really ideal.
[01:19] <maco> Chatzilla probably has somewhere to put the port in the preferences
[01:19] <maco> he just hasn't found it yet
[01:19] <LjL> well i can't help, i've never even seen chatzilla's interface
[01:19] <bazhang> its bad
[01:21] <billisnice> x chat, what do i add?
[01:21] <maco> in the xchat preferences, wherever its says 6667 with Freenode, change the 6667 to 8001
[01:22] <billisnice> where do i start with x chat to get to ubuntu?
[01:22] <bazhang> settings -->preferences
[01:22] <maco> ....or update your router's firmware because running outdated firmware with no security patches isn't really the smartest thing to do
[01:22] <billisnice> what network do i use?
[01:23] <maco> irc.freenode.net port 8001
[01:23] <LjL> maco, most of those routers don't have updated firmware that fixes this issue to begin with
[01:23] <maco> or ipv6.freenode.net if you've got that :P
[01:24] <maco> LjL: really? i thought it only affected firmwares that were a few years old
[01:24] <LjL> i don't think so
[01:24] <LjL> or at least - yes, but either there's no updates for them, or the updates fix other things but not this
[01:25] <maco> yuck
[01:27] <billisnice> i give up for now
[01:27] <billisnice> i can not get x chat to work
[01:31] <maco> huh?
[01:31] <billisnice> i am to dumb for x chat
[01:31] <billisnice> unless you have good examples of how to use it somewhere
[01:31] <maco> http://www.linuxchix.org/connecting-linuxchix-irc-using-xchat.html
[01:32] <maco> where the directions say irc.linuxchix.org/6667 use irc.freenode.net/8001
[01:36] <billisnice> maybe we can try another time
[01:36] <billisnice> i am so confused
[01:42] <Seeker`> billisnice: if there is nothing else we can do to help, please don't idle in here
[02:11] <LjL> aaand now, sebsebseb joined the other channel too :)
[02:11] <Seeker`> "the other channel"?
[02:12] <LjL> the one that i normally refrain from have the name of logged.
[02:12] <Pici> The one I used to have on hilight
[02:13] <LjL> part of the reason why i don't mention the name of it.
[02:15] <LjL> i mean - wait, not that i would mention a chance to gratuitously highlight people
[02:15] <LjL> that's not what i meant
[02:15] <LjL> s/mention/miss/
[02:19] <maco> does it have anything to do with a club?
[02:19] <Pici> Indeed
[02:37] <bazhang> ##trollpit ?
[02:40] <LjL> it's kinda past the trollpit stage to be honest
[03:36] <Panarchy> hi
[03:36] <Seeker`> hi
[03:36] <Panarchy> I wasn't banned from #ubuntu-offtopic, yet Pici banned me from it, giving reason as 'Evading ban'
[03:37] <Panarchy> Please allow me to connect back to it
[03:37] <Pici> I see a valid ban for you there
[03:37] <Panarchy> Nope
[03:37] <Panarchy> Just the 1 you did
[03:37] <Panarchy> I can't connect to #ubuntu
[03:37] <Panarchy> I tried, then I remembered I was banned
[03:38] <Panarchy> But I was never banned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <Pici> I disagree. There is a ban for you there.
[03:39] <Seeker`> I can see an active ban in that channel for Panarchy 
[03:39] <Panarchy> Really? Well no one ever told me I was banned
[03:39] <Seeker`> Panarchy: you were there when you were kicked
[03:39] <Panarchy> Seeker`: Probably because Pici just banned me
[03:40] <Panarchy> Yes, but I was banned from evading a ban that didn't exist!
[03:40] <Seeker`> Panarchy: Set by someone other than Pici
[03:40] <Seeker`> It was set a month ago
[03:40] <Panarchy> o?
[03:40] <Panarchy> Who by?
[03:40] <Pici> Panarchy: I see enough notes for you to know that this ban is valid
[03:40] <Panarchy> nup
[03:40] <Panarchy> I have a valid ban for #ubuntu
[03:40] <Panarchy> But not for #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:40] <Pici> I'm sorry you feel that way, but I will not be removing the ban that I have set.
[03:41] <Panarchy> dickhead
[03:41] <Seeker`> :/
[03:41] <Pici> Thats not helping your chances either
[03:42] <Seeker`> bedtime for me
[03:42] <bazhang> night
[03:42] <Pici> goodnight
[04:41] <jussi01> hiya maco, Did you need something?
[04:45] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: What's this waffling about FLOSS involvement somehoworother I'm hearing about?  (140 chars doesn't explain much)
[04:46] <nixternal> looking to possibly get involved in a new free software project elsewhere
[05:09] <tonyyarusso> such as?
[05:23] <maco> jussi01: no sorry...quassel just rejoined when i got back on the computer, sorry
[05:42] <phix> hey, I still seem to be banned, it isn't 2 days yet?
[05:42] <phix> LjL: <3
[06:58] <mneptok> @btlogin
[06:59] <mneptok> @login
[07:01] <mneptok> phix: the removal of bans is dependent on attitude and a sense that behavior will not be repeated, not time.
[07:04]  * mneptok prods phix 
[07:08] <mneptok> well, since you you're not listening ...
[08:37] <Chr|s> hey folks, anyone here use irssi?
[08:37] <Chr|s> how do you op yourselves? I am trying to op/deop myself in my channel, but I am unable to use the /op and /deop command
[08:43] <jussi01> Chr|s: /msg chanserv op #channel nickname
[08:43] <jussi01> you alias it...
[08:43] <evilGary> Chr|s: I have a alias - op quote cs op $C
[08:44] <jussi01> evilGary: oh hai 
[08:44] <evilGary> and cs is also alias'd to msg chanserv
[08:45] <evilGary> if you do not put a nickname, it tries to op you, this way my alias can op others via /op nick
[08:45] <Chr|s> I just binded  two buttongs that I can't type in here now lol
[08:45] <Chr|s> how do I do an alias
[08:45] <evilGary> Chr|s: /alias op quote chanserv op $C
[08:47] <Chr|s> ahh ok :) 
[08:49] <Chr|s> will that deop as well?
[08:52] <evilGary> this will add that /alias deop quote chanserv op $C -$N
[08:53] <topyli> i'm lazy, so i just use auto_bleh.pl, or chanserv.py in xchat
[08:54] <evilGary> I prefer to know what I am doing, even if it is all wrong
[08:55] <topyli> ignorance is bliss!
[08:55] <evilGary> stupidity is better
[08:55] <topyli> true true
[09:10] <Chr|s> :)
[09:10] <ikonia> morning 
[09:11] <Chr|s> one more question, I binded the number one and two keys to op and deop, now I can't use them whatsoever, how do I delete the binds without being able to actually press number one or two :(
[09:12] <ikonia> Chr|s: try #irrsi 
[09:14] <Chr|s> alright just thought id ask here since I had a question how ops op and deop using irssi
[09:14] <Myrtti> Chr|s: http://myrtti.fi/temp/irssialias.txt
[09:14] <ikonia> #irssi is the best place for irssi support
[09:14] <Myrtti> also...
[09:14] <Myrtti> http://koti.phnet.fi/~laxstrom/page/eng/irssi
[09:15] <Chr|s> Myrtti: thanks
[09:16] <Myrtti> anything else?
[09:18] <ikonia> LjL: ping
[09:43] <jussi01> ikonia: ping
[09:46] <ikonia> jussi01: pong
[09:47] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[09:49] <zhxk> hello, may i ask in #ubuntu now?
[09:56] <zhxk> hello, may i ask in #ubuntu now? anybody help me taggle off the targ?
[09:56] <elky> let me refresh my memory
[09:58] <zhxk> thanks, ok now?
[09:58] <elky> no, i'm still looking up what you did
[09:59] <zhxk> well, trivial joke
[09:59] <Myrtti> in the totally wrong place
[10:00] <ikonia> the ban dodging is my issue
[10:01] <ikonia> persistntly may I add
[10:01] <elky> yes, i'm seeing that too
[10:01] <ikonia> I have pm history that shows ths "I didn't know I was doing it" is a lies 
[10:01] <ikonia> that is my main issue
[10:03] <elky> ikonia, he's even dodged your current #u ban twice
[10:03] <zhxk> well, you've said come here in a week, i think it's time now
[10:03] <elky> zhxk, no, you broke rules *yesterday*
[10:03] <ikonia> elky: I was aware of once, 
[10:03] <ikonia> really, 
[10:03] <zhxk> what rules?
[10:04] <zhxk> it must be a mistake
[10:04] <elky> zhxk, 'no ban dodging' is a rule. you broke that repeatedly.
[10:05] <zhxk> how would cause a ban dodging?
[10:06] <elky> when you use a different internet connection
[10:07] <zhxk> en, so in a week again?
[10:08] <elky> no, two weeks this time.
[10:08] <elky> you must not even try to join #ubuntu until two weeks from now.
[10:10] <zhxk> well, do me a favor to band that connections too, so that a unconsciously mistake wont happen
[10:11] <elky> zhxk, are you even using ubuntu? your screenshot posted yesterday does not look like it.
[10:12] <zhxk> i have many distro on the pc, i'll give you the screenshot to ubuntu immediately
[10:13] <elky> zhxk, stop asking for support for the other distros in ubuntu channels.
[10:13] <elky> http://imagebin.ca/view/uyvPo7.html <-- this is not ubuntu. it is *not* appropriate to ask for a fix in #ubuntu. at all.
[10:14] <zhxk> http://imagebin.ca/view/H0xe2TmC.html
[10:15] <elky> zhxk, i did not ask for a screenshot.
[10:15] <elky> zhxk, i want you to understand that #ubuntu is not the right place to ask for help with Other distros.
[10:16] <zhxk> well, someguy says that that tool is made for ubuntu as there is a red circle beside the "help"
[10:19] <elky> zhxk, just because applications exist in both Ubuntu and Debian does not mean we support Debian's version of them. Debian is not Ubuntu. We do not support software they distribute.
[10:19] <zhxk> i had been asking that question in it's own distro channel. but someguy said that probably it's made by a member of ubuntu team, so i have to do that
[10:19] <ikonia> there is a whole web of miss-communication here as the last questions you where asking about was building an arm-tools chain for cross-lfs 
[10:19] <elky> zhxk, that guy was lying.
[10:20] <ikonia> again - that is nothing to do with ubuntu 
[10:20] <zhxk> well, ubuntu have the same problem
[10:21] <ikonia> I think you may not have a clear definition of what IS ubuntu and what isn't part of ubuntu
[10:21] <ikonia> zhxk: ubuntu doesn't have a problem with it
[10:22] <zhxk> welldone, someone just fixed it
[10:23] <elky> zhxk, when you boot into debian, it will not be fixed.
[10:24] <zhxk> well, before to mail, i've checked it on ubuntu, that problem really exists
[10:25] <zhxk> maybe it was fixed by a mindless update 
[10:26] <zhxk> well, there is another problem that i want to ask, sshd stops as soon as i left gnome to gdm
[10:27] <Flannel> zhxk: This is not an appropriate place for support questions.
[10:30] <ikonia> zhxk: I will spell this out for you - did you try to get into #ubuntu the other day - get an error that you "cannot join the channel because you are banned" ?
[10:30] <zhxk> Flannel:i can't join #ubuntu
[10:31] <Flannel> zhxk: That doesn't mean you can be offtopic in other channels.
[10:32] <ikonia> actually, I'll not step on elky's toes and back away 
[10:32] <elky> ikonia, no, please continue
[10:32] <zhxk> ikonia:even that casual try should be punished also?
[10:33] <ikonia> zhxk: answer the question
[10:33] <ikonia> zhxk: did you get a message that says "cannot join channel you are banned" 
[10:34] <zhxk> yup
[10:34] <ikonia> zhxk: did you then try to get into the channel changing your nicname and ip address ?
[10:36] <zhxk> well, i havn't intently evade the ban since our last talk
[10:36] <ikonia> zhxk: yes or no - did you change your nickname and IP address to join #ubuntu 
[10:36] <elky> zhxk, when you were banned, did you use a different computer to connect?
[10:38] <zhxk> well, i always use this nick name eversince, though today get another nick so called zhxk` cause i didn't mentioned that another client app is running
[10:39] <ikonia> zhxk: did myself / stew not explain to you that trying to join a channel you are banned from is called "ban evading" and is bad 
[10:39] <elky> zhxk, how often do you restart your modem?
[10:41] <zhxk> well, once uncautiously noticed that it's ok to join #ubuntu on ubuntu, but quite immediately as our assumpsit
[10:41] <elky> zhxk, how do you connect to the internet?
[10:42] <ikonia> actually I'm going to put an end to this now
[10:42] <zhxk> adsl
[10:42] <ikonia> 1.) you have been banned - yet you still keep trying to connect
[10:42] <ikonia> 2.) stew / myself has explained what ban dodging is 
[10:42] <ikonia> 3.) your IP range is all over the place - so you are not connecting from one place you are trying multiple networks to get around bans
[10:43] <ikonia> 4.) you change your nickname bush/george/zhxk' zhxk_ to get around bans
[10:43] <ikonia> you %100 know what you are doing - as you are talking about advanced topics like arm cross compiling
[10:43] <zhxk> I quit immediately after realised that, really
[10:43] <ikonia> so therefore I can only assume you are doing this on purpose
[10:44] <ikonia> I have nothing more to say on the matter as I am confident your behavioru is intentional 
[10:44] <ikonia> behaviour
[10:46] <elky> i agree. we've given him enough chances, yet he still misuses the channels as recently as yesterday
[10:47] <zhxk> well, it's undeserved
[10:48] <zhxk> zhxk_ may bcause the client atuto choosed for try while zhxk is unsuccessful
[10:50] <elky> zhxk, that does not excuse the ip change.
[10:51] <zhxk> ip change is just because anoter dial to adsl
[10:52] <elky> why did it need another dial?
[10:53] <zhxk> dunno the serious result yet before your explaination
[10:54] <elky> what explanation?
[10:55] <zhxk> it's not good to evade a ban
[10:56] <elky> you've already had that explained to you many times.
[10:57] <Myrtti> is this getting anywhere?
[10:57] <Myrtti> I think it's not
[10:57] <Myrtti> zhxk: welcome back in two weeks.
[10:57] <zhxk> Myrtti:okay, it's deserved
[10:58] <jussi01> heh
[10:59] <elky> zhxk, you should not stay in this channel for the two weeks.
[10:59] <zhxk> before that i may have solved the just-found problem elsewhere
[10:59] <Myrtti> schule.bremen...
[10:59] <Myrtti> zhxk: good for you
[10:59] <zhxk> okay, good for you also
[10:59] <Myrtti> zhxk: again, welcome back in two weeks
[11:00] <zhxk> thanks you
[11:00] <Myrtti> until then, please leave the channel
[11:00] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/164815/
[11:01] <Myrtti> feel free to clear out any bans you consider unneeded
[11:01] <ikonia> lindbohm.freenode.net /mode -b [c0re]!*@*
[11:01] <ikonia> didn't want that to go
[11:02] <elky> ikonia, reinstate it then
[11:02] <ikonia> I think I must have been in a coma, as there are modes of me remocing panarchy/curtis and others
[11:02] <ikonia> and fujisan
[11:03] <Myrtti> ikonia: lolwhut?
[11:04] <elky> that's panarchy's name?
[11:04] <Myrtti> ikonia: that list is just bans from #ubuntu
[11:04] <evilGary> there is my one
[11:04] <Myrtti> it's made so that if you want to, you can easily check which bans are yours and remove them after you've checked them
[11:04] <ikonia> 67 ikonia /mode -b panarchy!*@*
[11:04] <ikonia> did I do that ?/?
[11:04] <Myrtti> ikonia: no?
[11:04] <ikonia> ooh wait
[11:04] <ikonia> I see what you've done
[11:04] <Myrtti> as I said...
[11:05] <ikonia> I'm not in a coma - just stupid
[11:05] <ikonia> Myrtti: nice formatting
[11:05] <Myrtti> not stupid, just a bit slow
[11:05] <evilGary> I'm stupid
[11:05] <evilGary> nice pastebin Myrtti 
[11:06] <Myrtti> evilGary: takes only two aliases in irssi and one sed/awk script in bash ;-)
[11:06] <Myrtti> if you want that in plaintext, then add plain after the UID
[11:07] <ikonia> should we just clean up the floodbot ones in genera l?
[11:07] <ikonia> I can see a fair few that can be cleaned down from floodbots
[11:07] <Myrtti> ikonia: I think someone would need to check how old they are
[11:07] <Myrtti> and also clear the bans with -monitor
[11:07] <ikonia> yup 
[11:07] <ikonia> seems sensible
[11:08] <Myrtti> I don't know what's the best way of doing that so I've never done it
[11:08] <elky> hrm... i am lacking drinkable things here... and icecream
[11:08] <elky> more importantly, icecream
[11:08]  * Myrtti huggles jussi01 
[11:08] <ikonia> Myrtti: I'll see if a bit of sed and bc magic will work it out from the ban list
[11:10] <Myrtti> ikonia: or date -d
[11:10] <Myrtti> myrtti@reipas:~$ date -d "8 months ago"
[11:10] <Myrtti> Fri Sep  5 13:10:32 EEST 2008
[11:11] <ikonia> slicker
[11:11] <Myrtti> (learnt that today)
[11:28] <ikonia> adding _ to the end of the nick doesn't get you around your ban ;)
[11:49] <bullgard5> In #ubuntu-de steht im Topic: " News: Jaunty/9.04 ist draussen." Bitte ändern in "Die neueste freigegebene Ubuntu-Version ist Jaunty/9.04."
[11:53] <ikonia> bullgard5: ?
[11:53] <ikonia> bullgard5: what's up?
[11:53] <bullgard5> ikonia: For German eyes only. :-)
[11:54] <ikonia> bullgard5: ok - but what is the problem you need help with ?
[11:55] <bullgard5> ikonia: I cannot change the topic of the channel #ubuntu-de myself. The topic is outdated.
[11:55] <ikonia> bullgard5: ok, so speak to one of the operators of that channel , or ask in #ubuntu-irc if one of the operators is available
[11:56] <bullgard5> Did I not speak to the operators of that channel by placing a message here?
[11:57] <ikonia> no
[11:57] <ikonia> #ubuntu-irc is for loco operators
[11:58] <bullgard5> Well, I see. I will turn to #ubuntu-irc.
[11:58] <ikonia> thanks
[11:59] <bullgard5> But there is none German speaking name listet at the moment.
[12:00] <ikonia> bullgard5: how do you know there are no german operators in that channel ?
[12:00] <bullgard5> I looked up the name list.
[12:00] <ikonia> where ?
[12:00] <bullgard5> in #ubuntu-irc
[12:01] <ikonia> so how do you know none of them are ubuntu-de operators ?
[12:02] <bullgard5> By matching the entries in that list with those active in #ubuntu-de.
[12:02] <ikonia> bullgard5: the opertors don't have to be active in channels, check the access list from chanserve with "access #ubuntu-de list" 
[12:06] <ikonia> bullgard5: everything sorted ?
[12:21] <Myrtti> bullgard5: hello?
[12:21] <bullgard5> hello
[12:22] <Myrtti> bullgard5: did you need help with anything else?
[12:23] <bullgard5> no
[12:28] <Myrtti> !idle | bullgard5 
[12:34] <ikonia> he never asked in #ubuntu-irc
[12:38] <elky> i think the de ops have their own channel.. not sure
[12:39] <ikonia> oh really, I didn't know that
[12:39] <elky> hrm, no. unless 'verein' is something like that
[12:40] <elky> 'verein' means 'organisation' or 'joint' so i suspect it's appropriate
[12:45] <elky> i'm surprised we havent seen much cinco de mayo trouble this year
[12:46] <elky> i suspect those'll hit later in the mexican day
[12:54] <Pici> ola
[12:58] <ikonia> hello
[13:14] <ikonia> LjL: is MIA today 
[13:15] <Pici> ikonia: panarchy returned last night
[13:16] <Pici> Was in -offtopic on a mibbit login, refused to acknowledge that he was evading a ban. Too bad for him.
[13:17] <ikonia> Pici: yes, I wanted to talk to ljl about how/why the floodbots excepted him
[13:17] <ikonia> excempted even 
[13:17] <ikonia> he got into ubuntu using mibbit with the nick panarchy which I thought the floodbots would see in the db and not let him in 
[13:18] <ikonia> hopefully ljl will give me a bot lesson when he's next free
[13:30] <popey> no bots?
[13:30] <popey> hittt is giving duff advice
[13:37] <ikonia> looking now
[13:38] <ikonia> !ping
[13:38] <popey> getting a bit of sillyness from hitt with rm
[13:38] <ikonia> yeah, I'mn on it
[13:40] <ikonia> Pricey: who was that you did ?
[13:41] <Pricey> aq RedMachineD 
[13:41] <ikonia> cool
[13:41] <ikonia> on it
[13:42] <Pricey> Wonder where they're from.
[13:42] <ikonia> dunno, but it's a tag team effort
[13:43] <elky> ikonia, he returned quick... did you get him in PM?
[13:43] <Pricey> mrefg is suspect... i think he's just playing it slow?
[13:43] <ikonia> elky: who ?
[13:43] <ikonia> Pricey: concur, 
[13:44] <popey> agreed
[13:44]  * Pricey resists jokes about australia's internet & dialup
[13:44] <ikonia> ha
[13:44] <popey> i smell troll
[13:44] <Pici> Ugh. I go away for a few minutes...
[13:44] <Pricey> popey: i'm sorry i didn't mean it!
[13:45]  * popey wafts
[13:45] <Pici> elky jinxed us.
[13:46] <Pricey> hmm !support has changed lately?
[13:46] <Pricey> or am i just slow on that one
[13:48] <ikonia> ok - normality is back I think
[13:48] <popey> heh
[13:49] <Pricey> indus: is next on my list
[13:49] <ikonia> get in the queue 
[13:50] <ikonia> I had him at the top of mine
[13:51] <ikonia> hackoidz ...any bets ?
[13:51] <bazhang> yep
[13:52] <ikonia> Pricey: check out nirc
[13:53] <Pricey> ikonia: hmm?
[13:53] <ikonia> nirc = posting porn links
[13:53] <ikonia> multiple channels by th elook
[13:53] <Pricey> I only have 5 minutes.
[13:53] <ikonia> can't be certain, hence check it out
[13:53] <ikonia> rubbish !
[13:54] <ikonia> no problem
[13:54] <Pricey> Quit.
[13:54] <ikonia> gone anyway, he was on the aussie network too, looks like there is an aussie troll pit somewhere
[13:54]  * ikonia suggests #panarchy ?
[13:54] <ikonia> ;)
[13:55] <Pricey> bah really?
[13:55] <ikonia> nah, #panarchy was me kidding
[13:55] <ikonia> but it does look like aussie's are having a play day 
[13:57] <Pricey> I'm off. Good luck, staffers are about though hopefully they've moved on now.
[13:57] <ikonia> looks better now
[13:57] <ikonia> thanks
[13:58] <ikonia> another aussie gone
[13:58] <bazhang> long time arch troll
[13:58] <ikonia> oh really
[13:58] <ikonia> I wonder if they are all in arch
[13:59] <popey> not in archlinux-offtopic
[13:59] <popey> first place I looked
[13:59] <bazhang> I would set a ban next time jellygen starts up 
[13:59] <ikonia> he's banned now
[13:59] <popey> ahh, jelly is
[13:59] <ikonia> problem solved
[13:59] <ikonia> #archlinux-offtopic
[14:00] <ikonia> they are discussing it now
[14:00] <bazhang> he has an odd way of showing up right when trolls attack
[14:00] <ikonia> they are chatting about it in #archlinux-offtopic
[14:01] <bazhang> wonder if mrefg was MrElendig
[14:02] <ikonia> @bansearch TheZanke
[14:25]  * genii sips
[14:26] <genii> I see there was more talk about the 4chan thing.
[14:30] <elky> dear 4chan, please die. preferably painfully. no love, elky.
[14:31] <Pici> +1
[14:32] <genii-konv> My Quassel seem on the fritz again today, apologies
[14:36]  * genii-konv pokes at jussi01_
[14:53] <genii-konv> OK I'll try my usual nick again and see if stable yet....
[14:53]  * genii sips
[15:05] <genii> Hm. Trying to sort out my buffer views (my channel lists aren't showing properly). May be bouncing from /away and /back for a bit
[15:19] <genii-konv> Gah.
[15:20] <genii-konv> @time helsinki
[15:20] <genii-konv> Ah, right, doesn't work here
[15:27] <genii-konv> Back shortly
[15:27] <topyli> genii decided to fly to helsinki, see what time it is
[15:28] <Pici> tsimpson: Looks like ubottu has been having trouble grabbing bug info from Launchpad as of late.  Is this a bot issue or something with launchpad?
[15:28] <ikonia> Pici: I think it's had dbopen() function problems in general 
[15:28] <ikonia> Pici: I'm wondering if that's why it missed panarchy and a few others
[15:29] <Pici> ikonia: ubottu, not floodbot
[15:29] <tsimpson> Pici: it's launchpad timing out as far as I can tell, I haven't changed the code for Bugtracker in months
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: ahhh
[15:29] <Pici> ikonia: And it didn't miss panarchy, he was in -offtopic, there are no floodbots there.
[15:29] <ikonia> Pici: he joined ubuntu too
[15:29] <ikonia> 03:42 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e panarchy!i=cb37e1fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b222d53c10995f0] by FloodBot2
[15:30] <Pici> ikonia: If cb37e1fe doesnt corrispond to the ip that was banned, the floodbot doesn't know any better.
[15:30] <ikonia> Pici: what about the name ban
[15:30] <ikonia> as in nick ban
[15:30] <Pici> ikonia: I wan't aware one was in place.
[15:31] <topyli> genii: 17:30
[15:31] <ikonia> 03:42 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+e panarchy!i=cb37e1fe@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1b222d53c10995f0] by FloodBot2
[15:31] <genii-around> topyli: ?
[15:31] <ikonia> oops
[15:31] <ikonia> sorry
[15:31] <ikonia> #ubuntu panarchy!*@*  
[15:31] <ikonia> that's in place
[15:31] <topyli> 17:20 < genii-kon> @time helsinki
[15:32] <Pici> Thats a bug then
[15:33] <genii-around> topyli: Ah, thanks. Trying to deduce when jussi might be awake/here/working on current prob with server. 
[15:33] <genii-around> Is other stuff down like BT too?
[15:33] <tsimpson> fwiw, there is a +viewstatus for bugs in LP which is often quicker to load, but it's HTML only, currently it uses +text
[15:34] <tsimpson> genii-around: only jussi01.com is down
[15:34] <genii-around> tsimpson: OK, thanks
[15:35] <tsimpson> and I haven't gotten around to making @time work for non-identified users yet
[15:35] <tsimpson> @time helsinki
[15:35] <Pici> supybot can be annoying sometimes
[15:36] <tsimpson> s/can be/is/ ; s/ sometimes//
[15:36] <topyli> hehe
[15:37] <tsimpson> it's just not complex enough, which is probably a good thing for 99% of use cases
[15:37] <tsimpson> but we are in that 1%
[15:38] <Pici> I was just trying to get it to store the last requested query for a weather plugin, and it doesn't support storing user registry values if the user isn't registered
[16:04] <genii-around> I have to /away probably 20-25 minutes (work)
[16:21] <MenZa> What's with ubottu? :(
[16:21] <LjL> MenZa: it doesn't like your face
[16:22] <Pici> I told it to restart
[16:22] <Pici> But then it saw MenZa :/
[16:22] <tsimpson> there was (for some reason) 4 instances of it running...
[16:22] <Pici> er
[16:22]  * LjL eyes pici
[16:22] <Pici> The restart page said that it couldnt find a running process.
[16:23] <Pici> LjL: I only started it once
[16:23] <tsimpson> because I killed them all (MU-HA-HA-HA)
[16:23] <Pici> I know better then to mash on a button to make something start
[16:23] <Pici> Thats only a last resort <.<
[16:23] <LjL> Pici: do you?
[16:23] <LjL> ah, i say
[16:23] <LjL> although the actual last resort is mashing on the *keyboard*
[16:24] <tsimpson> something was up with it and the CAPAB-IDENTIFY-MSG stuff
[16:24] <Pici> odd
[16:25] <tsimpson> I tried quitting it but it said "Not replying to +quit, not a command"
[16:25] <MenZa> Pici→ :(
[16:25]  * MenZa runs away crying.
[16:25] <tsimpson> which, I know, means that it's not interpreting the +/- stuff right
[16:30] <Pici> tsimpson: Thanks for restarting :)
[16:31] <tsimpson> :)
[16:32] <Pici> tsimpson: While you're at it, could you get ubottu out of -bugs?
[16:32] <tsimpson> ubottu: part #ubuntu-bugs
[16:33] <Pici> Thanks again
[16:33] <LjL> tsimpson: and while you're at it, could you get bugs out of ubottu as well?
[16:34]  * tsimpson thinks about it...
[16:34] <tsimpson> umm, no :)
[16:34] <LjL> fair enough
[16:34] <Pici> Those bugs are what give ubottu her character
[16:35] <tsimpson> there actually aren't that many "bugs"
[16:35] <tsimpson> mostly just things that are missing/wanted
[18:11]  * genii-around prods jussi01 experimentally with a spoon
[18:14] <jussi01> genii-around: had a few networkm probs today - up again now
[18:19] <genii-around> jussi01: OK, I'll swap back to Quassel shortly....
[18:22]  * genii sips experimentally
[18:23] <genii> Much better :)
[18:36]  * stew tries to figure out why joeyy is lighting up his /hilight
[18:36] <Pici> ugh oh
[18:53] <genii> Was anything aver decided on the 4chan subject?
[18:53] <genii> *ever
[18:56] <stew> do you guys know that chat.ubuntu.com no longer resolves?
[18:56] <stew> lots of people asking about this in #freenode
[18:57] <Pici> wfm
[18:57] <stew> ** server can't find chat.ubuntu.com.: NXDOMAIN from all three of ns[123].cannonical.com
[18:57] <stew> err
[18:57] <stew> wait, am i on drugs
[18:57] <stew> ignore me, these people have me confused
[18:59] <Pici> stew: dig @ns1.canonical.com irc.ubuntu.com    reports that its a cname for chat.freenode.net
[18:59] <stew> yes
[18:59] <stew> i got confused there for a second
[18:59] <stew> but we suddenly have 4 or 5 ubuntu users in #freenode not able to connect to irc.ubuntu.com, but chat.freenode.net is working for them
[19:03] <Pricey> we're looking into it
[19:03] <Pici> Pricey: We as in freenode? 
[19:03] <Pricey> Pici: sorry, yep.
[19:04] <Pricey> Pici: but yep, use chat.freenode.net, or things like chat.us.freenode.net or chat.eu.freenode.net
[19:21] <genii-around> Thought so
[19:22] <genii-around> Looks like the server issues still aren't resolved ..... 
[19:22] <Seeker`> :/
[19:26] <genii-around> Hm
[19:41] <jussi01_> grumble!!!
[19:42] <Pici> mumble?
[19:42] <jussi01_> stupid issues...
[19:43] <Seeker`> genii-around: I think all that was decided about 4chan was that jussi01 isn't impressed, LjL doesn't see a problem
[19:43] <Pici> @login
[19:43] <genii-around> Seeker`: Thats sort of the impression I was left with too. Also that Pici is confused
[19:44] <Seeker`> genii-around: but then thats nothing new :P
[19:44] <jussi01_> Pici: is always confused...
[19:44] <jussi01_> :P
[19:44] <genii-around> Hehe
[19:44] <Pici> I'm not denying it.
[19:47] <genii-around> jussi01_: So should I bother back to Quassel yet, or give it a while ? (while i see you here)
[19:47] <jussi01_> genii-around: wait till you see jussi01 again...
[19:48] <genii-around> Will do, thanks
[19:48] <Pici> Or jussi07
[19:48] <jussi01_> who the heck is jussi07?
[19:49] <genii-around> I've never even seen jussis 02 through 06....
[19:49] <Pici> Someone was talking to him in -ot
[19:54] <jussi01_> hrm, someone remind me which script it is to show channel list in irssi?
[19:56] <Pici> jussi01_: /window list    perhaps?
[19:57] <jussi01_> Pici: no... theres one to make the list of numbers into a list of numbers and channel names...
[19:58] <Pici> jussi01_: Oh. I don't know, sorry.
[19:58] <Seeker`> adv_windowlist?
[19:58] <jussi01_> ahh, yeah that one :D
[19:58] <Pici> Too many numbers here to make into channel names anyway.
[19:58] <genii-around> Seems like a lot of spanish speakers run Ubuntu 
[20:02] <genii-around> Pici: That guy asking if there's a list of all the triggers ubottu accepts.... I hope no such list actually exists!
[20:03] <tsimpson> genii-around: there is, and it's on the web too
[20:03] <genii-around> AAAAAAAA
[20:03] <tsimpson> !bot
[20:03] <Pici> genii-around: http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi
[20:03] <tsimpson> ^ factoids.cgi :)
[20:03] <genii-around> Hopefully we won't see him bot-abusing shortly after
[20:03] <Pici> Hopefully.
[20:04] <tsimpson> if you are looking at the factoids page, you don't need to trigger the bot
[20:04] <genii-around> Thats good then.
[20:05] <Pici> !staff ^^ what 
[20:05] <Pici> hah
[20:05] <Pici> sorry, staff.
[20:05] <genii-around> ?
[20:06] <Pici> just looking at factoids never requested.
[20:06] <Pici> forget 15:04:36 <genii-around> Thats good then.
[20:06] <Pici> forget reply> the edubuntu handbook 
[20:07] <Pici> oops
[20:07] <Pici> Sorry guys, I thought this was my ubottu window.
[20:07] <jussi01_> heh
[20:09]  * tsimpson thinks jussi01_ is not having a good day
[20:09] <jussi01_> tsimpson: if anyone gets in my way today...
[20:11] <Seeker`> tsimpson: ping
[20:11] <tsimpson> Seeker`: pong
[20:11] <Seeker`> can I pick your brain about bot stuff?
[20:12] <tsimpson> if there anything left to pick, sure
[20:22] <genii-around> tsimpson: You should do some bot workshop in -classroom at some point
[20:23] <genii-around> It's been extremely dead there since open week ended
[20:24] <tsimpson> genii-around: maybe, but then more people will want their own bot. then more people will try to set one up, then more people will fail, then more people will ask me for help
[20:24] <tsimpson> and that's not good
[20:25] <genii-around> Too bad theres just no bot to ask about building bots, at that
[20:25] <Pici> #supybot exists
[20:25] <Pici> And #ubuntu-bots
[20:26] <genii-around> Hm, looks like Quassel box is back up, I got a system notice about a second authorisation on my name just now
[20:27]  * genii-around waits to see jussi01 before trying
[20:29] <genii-around> tsimpson: And you are the moderator in #supybot and #ubuntu-bots ?   ;)
[20:29] <tsimpson> just #ubuntu-bots
[20:30] <tsimpson> I have nothing to do with #supybot, and with the amount of time's I've slammed the code, probably never will
[20:30] <Seeker`> eggdrop is the only bot I've seen with a decent amount of documentation
[20:32] <tsimpson> recently the supybot website went away, so now it has even less documentation
[20:32] <Seeker`> supybot has really terrible docs, but i've at least seen python befroe so it wasn't too bad
[20:32] <Seeker`> first time looking at ruby + rbot isn't great
[20:33] <Pici> I don't know ruby at all, and my attempts to learn it have failed.  
[20:33] <Pici> I keep the supybot source at hand when making my own bot plugins
[20:41] <tsimpson> well, I learnt basic ruby in a couple days...
[20:42] <genii-around> OK, time to try Quassel again :)
[20:42] <tsimpson> Pici: have you tried the online ruby demo thing?
[20:43] <Pici> tsimpson: I did once./
[20:43]  * genii sips
[20:43] <tsimpson> it's not too dissimilar to python
[20:43] <tsimpson> well, are some big differences though
[20:44]  * genii hugs jussi01
[20:52] <ikonia> evening
[20:53] <Pici> already?
[20:53] <ikonia> it is for me
[20:57] <jussi01> mrgh....
[20:57] <jussi01> ikonia: pm?
[21:05] <ikonia> ugh huh
[21:22] <ikonia> I think I'll write an ext4 wiki page if that helps out as ext4 is coming up more and more
[21:25] <ikonia> is lenin_cat known by any other nicks ?
[21:25] <genii> commie_cary
[21:26] <ikonia> anything else, 
[21:26] <genii> Not that i know
 * holmes.freenode.net sets mode +n #ubuntu-offtopix   perhaps an abuse of name space (how would I know) 
[21:31] <ompaul> cheers
[21:31] <ikonia> ???
[21:31] <ikonia> no "hi"
[21:40] <stew> hi
[21:40] <ikonia> hi
[21:40] <Seeker`> hi
[21:45] <jussi01> I should be in bed
[21:45] <jussi01> but someone may want to check if this is actually correct...
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:38:57] --> ryaxnb_ (n=ryaxnb@63.249.87.215) has joined #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:39:00] <ryaxnb_> hi
[21:45] <jussi01> [23:39:06] <ryaxnb_> i'm not banned anymore?
[21:46] <Seeker`> jussi01: TurtlePie told ryaxnb that he was a nwe admin, and that he had just banned him
[21:46] <Seeker`> that was my understanding anyway
[21:46] <jussi01> oh... I just glanced
[21:48] <Seeker`> cant see anything particularly meaningful on the BT
[21:50] <ikonia> I think bazhang mentioned something about him
[21:52] <Seeker`> 4 kicks over 4 months
[22:46] <ikonia> LjL: you're active, got a moment
[22:46] <LjL> saying i'm active is a very bold statement
[22:46] <LjL> but.
[22:47] <ikonia> it can wait it's no biggy, it was only my curiosity
[22:48] <Seeker`> oooh
[22:48] <bazhang> Seeker`, still opped in #u
[22:48] <Seeker`> ty
[22:48] <bazhang> np
[22:48] <LjL> ikonia: what i was saying is i'm idly staring at the monitor. feel free to convey your data or request for information or opinion.
[22:49] <ikonia> LjL: it was really a query about how/why a flood bot missed a ban, if it's a bug or a mistake with the ban
[22:49] <ikonia> LjL: as you are the floodbot king....
[22:49] <LjL> ikonia: timestamp or logs?
[22:50] <ikonia> 03.42 am this morning in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-proxy-users
[22:50] <LjL> BST i assume
[22:50] <ikonia> yup
[22:51] <LjL> ikonia: nickname involved?
[22:51] <ikonia> panarchy
[22:51] <bazhang> oof
[22:51] <LjL> hm, i was just about to reach that conclusion, yes
[22:53] <LjL> ikonia: bans by nickname are ignored by the bots
[22:53] <LjL> they care about hosts.
[22:54] <ikonia> so he was also connecting from a different host too
[22:54] <ikonia> as his normal static IP is banned
[22:54] <LjL> not sure
[22:54] <ikonia> also - surly the "panarchy" nick ban should have picked up even if it's mibbiet ?
[22:54] <ikonia> as his nick was panarchy still ?
[22:54] <LjL> ikonia: not when a +e gets set on it
[22:54] <ikonia> ahhh exempt of course
[22:55] <ikonia> that makes sense now
[22:55] <LjL> IP was cb37e1fe, i just need to convert that to decimal and match that against his normal static IP.
[22:55] <ikonia> I always thought flood bots worked on nicks's too, good to know
[22:56] <LjL> ikonia: if my calculator is right, that IP is 203.55.225.254, which doesn't appear to be banned
[22:56] <LjL> although, erm, 254?
[22:57] <LjL> still... yes, fe is 254
[22:58] <ikonia> 220-244-120-169
[22:58] <ikonia> different 
[22:58] <LjL> not even related
[22:59] <ikonia> LjL: thanks for explaining
[22:59] <ikonia> that's been bugging me all day 
[22:59] <LjL> ikonia: i don't think i'll fix this nickname thing in the floodbots as long as it remains an isolated case
[22:59] <LjL> ikonia: easy workaround is, ban the offending nick from -proxy-users too
[23:38] <tritium> Good afternoon!
[23:41] <Seeker`> o/
[23:41] <tritium> Hi Seeker`