[00:07] <JontheEchidna> I documented the patch I put in to bzr :D
[00:13] <nixternal> need to document it in the changelog so we don't have to go through the debian/changelog and the bzr changelog as well
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> I put it in debian/changelog too
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> and then I always copy the debian changelog entries relevant to the bzr commit for the commit message
[00:32] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: ya, I don't think you were the guilty one in the kdemultimedia one :)
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[00:49] <nixternal> hrmm, MoM isn't playing nice
[00:49] <nixternal> removing .pot files in the diffs
[00:56] <Riddell> nixternal: what has a .pot file?
[00:57] <nixternal> Riddell: kwave
[00:57] <nixternal> non-kde-core package
[01:07] <Riddell> well it'll get removed by our clean rule
[01:07] <Riddell> but generated again by our build rules
[01:08] <Riddell> not something to worry about really
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> unless the source doesn't include a Messages.sh, perhaps?
[01:09] <Riddell> well yes
[01:09] <Riddell> but that's a bug in itself
[01:10]  * JontheEchidna nods
[01:54] <Riddell> qt and kde4libs uploaded to karmic
[01:54] <Riddell> hope they compile
[02:11] <JontheEchidna> ...sometime within the next month :P
[02:55] <pedahzur> Hello!  I was recently let go from my job, so have a bit of free time.  I know there are a number of KDE/Kubuntu projects written in Python.  I've spent the 2.5 years doing Python programming, and might be able to help out.  Where might I find a list of KDE/Kubuntu written in Python in which I might be able to lend a hand, look at bugs, etc?
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> I could probably recall several... let's see
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> jockey, software-properties-kde, system-config-printer-kde...
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> langague-selector-qt
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> update-notifier-kde
[03:09] <nixternal> heh, I love when a progress indicator tells me "102% complete"
[04:13] <pedahzur> JontheEchidna: Thanks...great start.
[04:22] <nixternal> grr, usb-creator doesn't seperate gtk enough from the backend for us to create an easy frontend...so I shall fix it
[08:21] <Quintasan_> eagles0513875: ping
[08:21] <eagles0513875> poong
[08:21] <eagles0513875> whoops
[08:21] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:21] <eagles0513875> pong
[08:21] <Quintasan_> I have the package ready
[08:22] <Quintasan_> amd64?
[08:22] <eagles0513875> si senor
[08:22] <Quintasan_> wai a second please, I need to wait for kopete notifations to disappear :P
[08:23] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: im gonna head out for now wont be gone too long
[08:23] <Quintasan> ok
[08:26] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: it failed to build actually :/
[08:26] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:26] <Quintasan> due to missing files
[08:26] <Quintasan> I think  thats the last problem
[08:26] <eagles0513875> just keep me informed
[08:26] <eagles0513875> no hurry no pressure bro
[08:26] <Quintasan> the xpm icon patch was not working and I though it was fixed :<
[08:27] <eagles0513875> :(
[08:27] <eagles0513875> im fighting with samba atm :( dunno whats worse
[08:28] <Quintasan> I will need to bug someone for methods of patch checking :P
[08:31] <eagles0513875> have fun off to get some questions answered for my maths course for my exam
[08:52] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: do i need to smack ya bout for a whiel till you stop getting on and off lol
[08:52] <Quintasan> dunno what's with mah connection
[08:53] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:00] <Quintasan> FFFFFUUUUU- It takes much too long to compile
[09:23] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: yay
[09:23] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: it's alive
[09:42] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/69524/kvirc.tar.bz2
[09:50] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: is it just a deb
[09:50] <Quintasan> yeah and what you wanted?
[09:50] <eagles0513875> :)
[09:51] <eagles0513875> we need to talk to someone bout getting it put in kubuntu-experimental or pushed out as an update
[09:51] <Quintasan> hmm, good point
[09:51] <tsimpson> file a bug
[09:51] <Quintasan> but before pushing it out as an update we need to do tests
[09:52] <Quintasan> users will kill us if this will introduce regressions ;)
[09:52] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: lol
[09:52] <eagles0513875> well 4.0 is already in jaunty thing is with what you did you are introducing new features that dont exist yet in the version built in march
[09:53] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: test it if you can
[09:53] <Quintasan> I'm trying to get a grasp of it
[09:53] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: got any questions hit me up
[09:54]  * Quintasan wonders if he really needs to file a bug
[09:54] <Quintasan> Won't it be better if I poke Riddel or someone else?
[09:55] <tsimpson> if you want it in -backports you should, for -updates you need to
[09:55] <tsimpson> needs a SRU for -updates
[09:55] <Quintasan> ah, I want it in kubuntu-experimental for now
[09:56] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: cant install it :(
[09:56] <Quintasan> hm?
[09:56] <Quintasan> you need to install kvirc-data package as well
[09:56] <eagles0513875> what do i need to install first
[09:57] <tsimpson> we need the source (.orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc) to put it in the PPA anyway
[09:57] <Quintasan> tsimpson: I know, I gave him the deb's
[09:57] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: trying to install with kpackagekit and it keeps giving me some unknown error
[09:57] <Quintasan> eagles0513875:  kvirc_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb and kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[09:57] <Quintasan> sudo dpkg -i ^
[09:58] <tsimpson> eagles0513875: or use gdebi-kde
[09:58] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:58] <Quintasan> that reminds me I should check how's Shaman
[09:58] <eagles0513875> its complaining bout dependencies
[09:59] <eagles0513875> bout the svn needed the data package
[09:59] <eagles0513875> now the kvirc-data is complaining bout kvirc depndency
[09:59] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: the bz2 file I sent you contains kvirc, kvirc-data, kvirc-deb
[09:59] <Quintasan> sudo dpkg -i  kvirc_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb and kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:04] <eagles0513875> i copied that command and yet its still having dependency issues
[10:04] <eagles0513875> ill pastebin
[10:04] <eagles0513875> http://pastebin.com/m853e945
[10:04] <Quintasan> lol
[10:04] <eagles0513875> what i do wrong
[10:04] <Quintasan> you are in wrong dir Xd
[10:04] <eagles0513875> ?
[10:04] <eagles0513875> thats where i have the .debs saved
[10:04] <Quintasan> also no F at the end of file
[10:04] <Quintasan> kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[10:04] <eagles0513875> it got it to work
[10:04] <eagles0513875> brb let me restart
[10:05] <eagles0513875> its updated :) ty
[10:06] <eagles0513875> if you get that stuff thats missing we can get it pushed to jaunty updates :)
[10:06] <Quintasan> :D
[10:06] <Quintasan> what's missing?
[10:08] <eagles0513875> tsimpson: said something bout dsc and what not
[10:08] <tsimpson> who said anything about jaunty updates?
[10:08] <eagles0513875> tsimpson: kvirc 4.0 build is from back in march 3 months old
[10:09] <eagles0513875> it would be nice to see it get out as an update to kvirc that is in already in jaunty
[10:09] <tsimpson> it can't just be placed in -updates
[10:09] <eagles0513875> i know
[10:09] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: was asking what was missing in it
[10:09] <Quintasan> aah
[10:10] <tsimpson> wait for the boss man to appear and see if it's good for -experimental for testing
[10:15] <eagles0513875> blarg sry bout that trying to install a theme
[10:15] <eagles0513875> well one thing for sure since the one in the repos they fix the themes :)
[10:19] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: themes are pretty sweet :)
[10:56] <Riddell> ug my qt4/phonon hackery entirely failed to work
[10:59] <eagles0513875> i have the solution to static ip issues with the new network manager :)
[11:01] <Riddell> hmm?
[11:02] <eagles0513875> its not a problem with the widget itself its integration on kubuntu end with the network manager and the init.d script
[11:02] <eagles0513875> i setup the static ip used the network restart script and it still used dhcp rebooted and it switched and is using static ip now
[11:02] <eagles0513875> ill just file a bug for it
[11:03] <ikonia> eagles0513875: where did you setup the static ip ?
[11:04] <eagles0513875> in the gui under my wifi i chose my connection then hit edit then the tab where it says ip address
[11:04] <eagles0513875> chose manual and put it in in there
[11:04] <ikonia> what is in the interfaces file ?
[11:04] <ikonia> actually this would be better in #kubuntu
[11:05] <eagles0513875> plasma-widget-network-manager
[11:05] <eagles0513875> i have no problems its something integration wise that needs to be looked at
[11:05] <ikonia> how do you know ?
[11:06] <eagles0513875> after rebooting i was using the static ip
[11:06] <eagles0513875> using /etc/init.d/network restart kept using the dhcp ip that it had
[11:06] <ikonia> how does that proves it's an intergration issue ?
[11:06] <ikonia> lets move to #kubuntu and have a look
[11:06] <eagles0513875> ok
[11:08] <Riddell> a|wen: I havn't recreated my duplicate access points issue with n-m since I showed it to you, maybe I imagined it
[12:00] <Riddell> nixternal:
[12:00] <Riddell> clean:: rm -rf po/*.pot
[12:00] <Riddell> from /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk
[12:00] <Riddell> I don't see why removing the .pot file should fail something to compile though, nothing happens with those files
[12:13] <Riddell> I expect removing the GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS line in po/CMakeLists.txt will fix it
[12:13] <Riddell> I don't quite understand why that needs a .pot file
[12:14] <Riddell> guess it just feels the need to merge it
[12:15] <Riddell> hmm, but for universe we do want the .mo files installed
[12:28] <Riddell> nixternal: ok pkg-kde-tools 0.4.6ubuntu5  * Add a KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT variable for packages which moan if you delete their .pot file
[12:28] <Riddell> export KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=1
[12:28] <Riddell> in the debian/rules file will sort it
[12:53] <ghostcube> wow amarok-common still not build
[12:53] <ghostcube> :)
[12:58] <Riddell> ho hum, now the archive is a mess until qt and phonon and everything compiles
[14:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: could you take a look at bug 372689 please?
[14:12] <Riddell> k
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> cool, thx
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> figure that if we're shipping svn versions of software, they might as well be at least somewhat recent ;-)
[14:32] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> wow, the archive is skewed in regards to Qt
[14:33]  * JontheEchidna reads backlog
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> ah, phonon
[14:36] <Riddell> yeah, the version number hackery I tried didn't work
[14:36] <Riddell> so now I'm just renaming to libqt4-phonon
[14:36] <Riddell> which means everything will need to be recompiled against it
[14:36] <Riddell> so got to wait for the builds to finish and the builds for everything (libs, base) to finish before things will be installable again
[14:37] <Riddell> and it's still building!  takes its time does qt
[14:47] <JontheEchidna> ok, so then I should probably wait for akonadi sponsorship until after it builds
[14:48]  * JontheEchidna wonders if kde4libs is done in the ppa
[14:51] <ghostcube> Hole:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main kdelibs5-dev 4:4.2.3-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 [1099kB]
[14:54] <Riddell> ooh kde4libs is indeed done
[14:54] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: going to retry the other bits in the PPA?
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> yup
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> then I'll upload the next layer
[14:58]  * Riddell wibbles a bit that qt failed on lpia
[15:02] <Riddell> oh poo
[15:02] <rickspencer3> hi flacoste!
[15:02] <Riddell> the qt compile was all wrong
[15:02] <Riddell> now I feel silly
[15:02] <Riddell> hi flacoste :)
[15:02] <neversfelde> I think that the libgpod0.7 build patch might cause the problems wit amarok 2.1 beta and ipods in kubuntu. Has someone tried to build it without?
[15:02] <flacoste> hi Riddell!
[15:03] <rickspencer3> hi all
[15:03] <rickspencer3> flacoste is a launchpad dev lead, and a huge Kubuntu fan
[15:03] <rickspencer3> flacoste: how long have you been using Kubuntu/KDE?
[15:04] <flacoste> 2006
[15:04] <flacoste> my first Ubuntu install was Kubuntu Breezy
[15:04] <flacoste> and upgraded to Dapper just after joining Canonical
[15:05] <rickspencer3> wow
[15:05] <flacoste> was on Debian/Gnome before that
[15:05] <rickspencer3> how is Jaunty working for you flacoste?
[15:05] <flacoste> but a friend convinced me to try Kubuntu
[15:05] <flacoste> and given that evolution was just crashing on me, kmail was a breath of fresh air
[15:06] <flacoste> jaunty is working fine once i disabled desktop effects
[15:06] <rickspencer3> how many times have I hears that?
[15:06] <flacoste> (i have an intel video card)
[15:06] <eagles0513875> ping a|wen_
[15:06]  * rickspencer3 nods
[15:06] <eagles0513875> flacoste: have you given an older driver from intrepid or gutsy a shot i was told that they are in a ppa somewhere
[15:07] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: pong
[15:07] <flacoste> eagles0513875: it's on my todo list
[15:07] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: i discovered a really strange issue with the network-manager widget
[15:07] <flacoste> i have a bunch of follow-up tests to do on this issue
[15:08] <eagles0513875> it wont connect to wired network when i plug in the ethernet cable also static ips work but require a reboot of the entire machine, not just using etc/init.d/network restart wont work it still uses dhcp after rebooting on my home network i was on a static ip
[15:08] <flacoste> anybody packaged the amarok 2.1 beta release in a PPA by any chance?
[15:08] <eagles0513875> flacoste: its in the kubuntu-experimental already
[15:08] <flacoste> really!
[15:08] <eagles0513875> ya
[15:09] <neversfelde> flacoste: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa
[15:09] <flacoste> is it worth a shot?
[15:09] <Riddell> neversfelde: which build patch is that?
[15:09] <eagles0513875> flacoste: i like it there are some very very minor issues but bareable
[15:09] <flacoste> i switched back to 1.4.6 because i wasn't able to sync with my ipod touch and the support for collection on external drive was very buggy?
[15:09] <neversfelde> Riddell: kubuntu_04_libgpod_0.7.diff
[15:09] <eagles0513875> not sure bout ipod stuff since i dont have an ipod
[15:10] <Riddell> neversfelde: I would have thought that wouldn't be needed any more (but then it would likely not apply)
[15:10] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: would you prefer i file a bug against the widget
[15:10] <Riddell> neversfelde: well disable it in debian/rules and throw it in a PPA if you want to test it
[15:11] <flacoste> eagles0513875: how/should we report bugs on the experimental package?
[15:11] <Riddell> flacoste: neversfelde says ipods still have problems with that beta build
[15:11] <eagles0513875> flacoste: good question im still new to the dev community
[15:11] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: i think you should easily be able to find a static ip bug on LP
[15:11] <neversfelde> Riddell: I will try a build without and last time I tested there was an error message about it, can't remeber what was in it atm
[15:11] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: will look :) now
[15:12] <neversfelde> flacoste: yes, amarok 2.1 beta is without libgpod support at the moment in kubuntu
[15:12] <Riddell> flacoste: you can look at the package changelog and poke the uploader directly
[15:12] <eagles0513875> neversfelde: let me know if you do a new build of 2.1 would love to help out testing it for you
[15:12] <neversfelde> eagles0513875: do you have an ipod?
[15:12] <eagles0513875> neversfelde: no im just saying amarok in general if you do a new updated build
[15:12] <flacoste> neversfelde: ok, i'll keep an eye on the changelog
[15:13] <flacoste> neversfelde: or poke me if you want me to test it (with ipod support)
[15:13] <neversfelde> ok, I will try a testbuild witout that patch first, if it is not the reason I can ask sebr to help out
[15:13] <neversfelde> flacoste: will do, thanks
[15:14] <flacoste> since the upgrade to Jaunty (and I skipped intrepid) i encountered two small issues
[15:14] <flacoste> one is that after a while, GPG stops working in kmail
[15:14] <ghostcube> ipod is b0rked in 2.1 amarok like its in repo now
[15:14] <flacoste> it says it's not able to find the agent anymore
[15:14] <flacoste> restarting kmail fixes this
[15:15] <neversfelde> no such problems here
[15:16] <flacoste> do you have automatic signing setup?
[15:16] <flacoste> by default all my email are signed
[15:16] <neversfelde> yes
[15:16] <flacoste> multiple identities?
[15:16] <neversfelde> oh yes :)
[15:16] <flacoste> lol
[15:16] <flacoste> interesting
[15:16] <neversfelde> flacoste: but I did a fresh install
[15:17] <flacoste> it's weird though that it works for a while and then stops
[15:17] <neversfelde> probbly you should delete some config files and give it a try
[15:17] <neversfelde> I know that it is a big task^^
[15:18] <flacoste> yeah, the restart work-around will be fine for now
[15:18] <flacoste> the other issue is related to keyboard layout
[15:19] <flacoste> in KDE4 i cannot select my keyboard layout
[15:19] <flacoste> using the config tool
[15:19] <flacoste> it's not in the list for some reason
[15:19] <flacoste> i've added a setxkbmap script to Autostart to work around that
[15:19] <flacoste> setxkbmap -model logicd -layout ca -variant fr
[15:21] <flacoste> the system settings app only list 'French Dvorak, French (legacy)' in the variants
[15:21] <flacoste> and they result in a different keymap
[15:21] <flacoste> and i lose the keyboard when i come back from suspend (that may be an X issue though)
[15:22] <flacoste> i mean, that I have to rerun setxkbmap to get at the correct layout again
[15:23] <Riddell> flacoste: what's the variant you want?
[15:23] <flacoste> fr
[15:24] <Riddell> Canadian French which is presumably different from Canadian French (legacy)?
[15:24] <flacoste> yes
[15:24] <flacoste> and it's weird because here there are two french layouts in use
[15:24] <flacoste> CSA
[15:25] <Riddell> I don't know where it gets its  list of layouts from
[15:25] <flacoste> and i forget the official name of the other one
[15:25] <flacoste> which is the one i'm using
[15:27] <flacoste> should I report a bug on system-settings?
[15:31] <Riddell> as far as I can see it just gets the list  of variants from X
[15:31] <Riddell> so it should be an X issue
[15:31] <Riddell> but then you can set it to the correct one so X does know about it
[15:31] <ghostcube> hmm maybe iam a bit stupid guys but is thunderbird using the systemwide default font height
[15:32] <Riddell> flacoste: I'd recommend reporting is as a bug on system settings kxkb module in bugs.kde.org
[15:32] <ghostcube> if so that sux
[15:32] <ghostcube> :D
[15:35] <flacoste> Riddell: ok, i'll do that
[15:39] <neversfelde> aren't there kubuntu jaunty cds on shipit?
[15:40] <Riddell> "I want to request CDs of Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope)
[15:40] <Riddell> seems good
[15:40] <neversfelde> mhh
[15:41] <neversfelde> Riddell: ah, I went over ubuntu.com
[15:41] <neversfelde> thx
[15:45] <neversfelde> Riddell: is it possible to request amd64 cds?
[15:46] <neversfelde> I am answering some questions at the moment, and users seem to be a little bit confused about that
[15:47] <Riddell> neversfelde: no i386 only
[15:47] <Riddell> and 1 per order only too
[15:47] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, thank you
[15:47] <Riddell> ubuntu server may still have amd64
[15:48] <Riddell> E: plasma-widget-customizable-weather: md5sum-mismatch usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-cwp.desktop
[15:48] <Riddell> that doesn't look good, someone remind me to test it when it's in the archive
[15:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should consider backintime for karmic
[15:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: see http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Back+In+Time?content=104233
[15:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have packages on my ppa for this
[15:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: the lack of a good backup/restore system is a problem I think
[15:50] <neversfelde> Riddell: I accidently made a package of that by myself, so I have it on my radar. I will remind you :)
[15:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds a bit like our old Keep app
[15:51] <eagles0513875> Tonio_: would you like me to test
[15:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: it's really much better
[15:52] <neversfelde> Tonio_: isn't luckybackup proposed to get into KDE?
[15:52] <Tonio_> neversfelde: luckybackup is krap, imho
[15:52] <neversfelde> I read something about it in KDE Forum, I think
[15:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: it doesn't run as a service, but has a pretty nice profile management
[15:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: therefore, it is well maintained, which is something keep never had...
[15:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, it is backend/frontend oriented (and has a gnome frontend too...), pretty neat :)
[15:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: the problem with lucky backup is the very monolithic structure
[15:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: a simple rsync frontend, with one binary
[15:54] <neversfelde> Tonio_: I did only a quick look at it
[15:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: rsync is never good for desktop backup
[15:54] <neversfelde> Tonio_: yes
[15:54] <Tonio_> neversfelde: as for exemple it won't manage ioslaves, samba shares and so on
[15:55] <neversfelde> but it would probably be confusing if luckybackup is part of KDE and we're shipping another tool
[15:55] <neversfelde> I guess it is only proposed, so no need to think about that :)
[15:56] <Tonio_> neversfelde: we never shipped kcontrol right ? :)
[15:56] <Tonio_> or at least not for long
[15:56] <neversfelde> hehe
[15:56] <Tonio_> neversfelde: we never shipped with kbackup
[15:56] <Tonio_> neversfelde: also never shipped with the default video player (which was a joke)
[15:56] <Tonio_> etc...
[15:56] <neversfelde> There was a default video player?
[15:57] <Tonio_> juk I think
[15:57] <neversfelde> mhh
[15:57] <Tonio_> kaffeine has never been part of kde
[15:58] <Tonio_> neversfelde: we'll se what luckybackup becomes, but right now imho, backintime is a lot better
[15:58] <neversfelde> well, the ui looks nice and simple, thats good. An advanced user often has a better way to do backups
[15:58] <Tonio_> luckybackup doesn't even respect kde UI guideline
[15:58] <neversfelde> backintime's ui, not luckybackup
[15:58] <Tonio_> neversfelde: yup, it had a couple of issues I warned upstream about
[15:58] <neversfelde> luckybackup asks you 3 or 4 questions, if you really wants to backup
[15:59] <Tonio_> neversfelde: most are fixed with the last version I have to test :)
[15:59] <neversfelde> thats a little bit MS like :)
[15:59] <Tonio_> neversfelde: it's rsync, that's the main problem for me
[15:59] <Tonio_> how to backup on my samba share without smb:// support ? :)
[16:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: well one of the things we probably should address during the UDS? I guess :)
[16:00] <neversfelde> Tonio_: do you have packages ready for testing?
[16:00]  * Riddell uses rsync to backup smb shares without problem
[16:01] <neversfelde> backupmanager here, nothing better :)
[16:02] <Riddell> hard to know how most people do backups though, if they use CDs or DVDs or hard disks or what
[16:16] <eagles0513875> anyone have any time to review these 20 pdf books that are free for possible inclusion in karmic
[16:17] <eagles0513875> from the looks of things alot of them seem to be development books
[16:17] <ikonia> development books included in 9.10 ?
[16:18] <eagles0513875> ikonia: there is already dive into python some of these are like bash programming books for beginners to linux
[16:18] <ikonia> where are they normally included in ubuntu
[16:18] <ikonia> I've never noticed any pdf books included
[16:18] <eagles0513875> ikonia: they are in main repo
[16:19] <ikonia> what package ?
[16:19] <eagles0513875> at least dive into python is in that repo
[16:19] <eagles0513875> diveintopython
[16:20] <neversfelde> eagles0513875: is that a kubuntu related topic?
[16:21] <eagles0513875> well they are mostly dev books neversfelde
[16:21] <neversfelde> hum
[16:22] <eagles0513875> take a look there is an ubuntu in a nutshell book which can apply to kubuntu a book on bash scripting
[16:22] <eagles0513875> http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20090405061458383/20oftheBestFreeLinuxBooks-Part1.html thats the link of 20 pdf books
[16:22] <ikonia> packaging pdf books....honestly
[16:23] <eagles0513875> what do you suggest then ikonia a pdf only repo where all these pdf books can be downloaded from
[16:23] <ikonia> I don't see the point of packaging a book to be honest
[16:23] <ikonia> hence my surprise at what you've said about it being in main
[16:24] <eagles0513875> ikonia: i remember suggesting it get included  in a release a while ago and it seems to have been but again i dont get the reason for packaging either
[16:24] <Riddell> dive into python is only in main because a certain benevolant dictator wants it
[16:24] <eagles0513875> lol ahhhh
[16:25] <eagles0513875> woudl it be possible to setup a pdf repo for pdf books or is it kinda pointless doing it that way
[16:25] <ikonia> Riddell: at least an honest response
[16:26] <Riddell> having them included in get hot new stuff for okular would be best I think
[16:26] <Riddell> I don't know if or how that works though
[16:26] <eagles0513875> should i contact who ever is in charge of okular dev
[16:27] <Riddell> could do
[16:27] <eagles0513875> ok will do
[16:38] <eagles0513875> well thats just great okular no longer has the get hot new stuff and they are out of disk space O_o which i have no idea how thats possible
[16:38] <eagles0513875> what other choices do we have for those books
[16:40] <neversfelde> well, that ipod patch does not apply correctly, but amarok does not build with libgpod-nogtk-dev either
[16:43] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: wee issue in 4.2.3 http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2009-May/003020.html
[17:19] <rickspencer3> Riddell: for UDS, I'm thinking about putting the Kubuntu sessions at about the same time, spread across the days, in the "working room"
[17:19] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[17:19] <Riddell> ScottK: seems like your re-ack is  needed for a few of these backport requests
[17:19] <seele> rickspencer3: is there going to be a voip bridge?
[17:19] <Riddell> rickspencer3: working room?
[17:20] <rickspencer3> we have two rooms this time
[17:20] <rickspencer3> and I think room b is smaller, so will be better set up for "working" rather than presentation style
[17:20] <rickspencer3> based on last UDS, it seemed like that set up would suit the Kubuntu team better
[17:21] <rickspencer3> seele: yes, there is audio and there will be a way to patch folks in
[17:21] <Riddell> yes, the presentation setup last time was a bit mis-fitting
[17:21] <rickspencer3> perhaps that argues for afternoon
[17:21] <rickspencer3> so that US can call in?
[17:21] <seele> rickspencer3: eek, yes. i dont want to wake up at 3am
[17:22] <seele> (unless it is documentation, do that in the morning ;)
[17:22] <rickspencer3> ok, I'll shoot for after lunch = Kubuntu each day
[17:22] <rickspencer3> ??
[17:22] <rickspencer3> make sense?
[17:22] <seele> sounds good to me, but the people actually there probably should confirm
[17:23] <Riddell> good with me
[17:23] <seele> meeting in 1.5 or 2.5 hours?
[17:24] <Riddell> 1.5
[17:24] <seele> hum..
[17:24]  * seele debates relocating
[17:31] <Riddell> Mamarok: going to go for membership?
[17:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: 4.2.3 looks like it's finally getting around to compiling
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm preparing the second dep layer as we speak
[17:35] <Riddell> lovely
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> btw, you're server didn't work out too well for me since dput couldn't validate my gpg sig and such
[17:36] <maco> you guys are the people most likely to be able to answer this that i know, so sorry for the OT: for a school assignment, i need to create a new widget for a toolkit that's a subclass of an existing one. i want to do it in Qt. which package should i apt-get source if i want to modify qt itself?
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> Qt itself is located in the qt4-x11 source package
[17:38] <maco> thanks JontheEchidna
[17:38] <ScottK> Riddell: (re backports) - Yes.  I haven't had a chance to investigate them yet.
[17:50] <ghostcube> wb
[17:52] <Riddell> maco: get that?
[17:56] <neversfelde> yay
[17:56] <neversfelde> amarok shows my ipod
[17:59] <neversfelde> uh and with a cover and nice new feedback features :=
[18:00] <neversfelde> ok, there are several patches that do not apply, kubuntu_04_libgpod_0.7.diff, kubuntu_06_qtscript45.diff, kubuntu_03_restricted_install.diff
[18:01] <Riddell> the first two  I expect can go
[18:01] <Riddell> restricted install should be fixed up
[18:01] <neversfelde> it does not build with libgpod-nogtk-dev, but with libgpod-dev
[18:02] <Riddell> humph
[18:02] <neversfelde> last one is for restricted-codec-install?
[18:03] <Riddell> yes
[18:04] <Riddell> but it's not a complex patch, just a dbus call as I mind
[18:05] <neversfelde> I'll have a look
[18:05] <ScottK> http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Systray_finally_in_action  <-- Looks very nice.
[18:06] <ghostcube> updates
[18:06] <ghostcube> yeah the repo seems to get hurried up
[18:06] <ghostcube> :D
[18:08] <Mamarok> Riddell: of course
[18:09] <Riddell> Mamarok: do you have a wiki page?
[18:09] <Mamarok> Riddell: the one on the ubuntu wiki, yes
[18:10] <Mamarok> but not exactly up to date I fear...
[18:10] <Riddell> groovy
[18:10] <Riddell> Mamarok: you're got 50 minutes  :)
[18:10]  * Mamarok updates her wiki page
[18:12] <neversfelde> Meeting today?
[18:15] <maco> Riddell: huh? i got JontheEchidna's message....was there something else?
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: yus, in 45 mins
[18:16] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: ty
[18:18] <Riddell> 17:38 < Riddell> maco: don't modify qt itself, just write an app which has a widget that subclasses one from qt
[18:18] <Riddell> 17:39 -!- Nightrose2 [n=quassel@70.91.138.90] has joined #kubuntu-devel
[18:18] <Riddell> 17:39 < Riddell> the whole point of object orientation and subclassing is you don't need to modify the originial to adapt it
[18:19] <smarter> exactly :]
[18:19] <maco> oh yea...
[18:19]  * smarter guesses his messages went to the black hole of netsplit
[18:21] <maco> have to make a slider that has 2 handles so it can set min & max on one widget
[18:22] <smarter> maco: tricky
[18:22] <smarter> involves using QPainter probably
[18:22] <smarter> but if I remember correctly Qxt(collections of convenient classes for Qt) has one
[18:23] <rgreening> o/
[18:24] <Riddell> it's rgreening!
[18:24] <smarter> rgreening: \o
[18:24] <rgreening> hey, been incognito.. $work... Im back tho...
[18:24] <rgreening> time to get down to work :)
[18:25] <Riddell> rgreening: could you wander over to the buildds and turn the crank so they speed up a bit please
[18:26] <rgreening> I didn't miss the meeting did I? :)
[18:26] <rgreening> Riddell: you mean kick them in ~lp:kubunutu-experimental?
[18:27] <Riddell> no, we'll just wait
[18:34] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: looks like dirk is gearing up for the 4.2.3 announcement
[18:34] <Riddell> I see we're all compiling away so we can live with being an hour or two behind
[18:34] <neversfelde> did a mistake. I removed kubuntu_04_libgpod_0.7.diff, kubuntu_06_qtscript45.dif. Not working patch is 03_mysqle_link_to_amarok_executable.diff
[18:35] <neversfelde> not kubuntu_03_restricted_install.diff
[18:35] <shtylman> Riddell: meeting in 30 min?
[18:35] <neversfelde> well 03 is similar :)
[18:36] <Riddell> shtylman: yep
[18:36] <Riddell> neversfelde: ug, that's more complex
[18:36] <shtylman> cool...in ubuntu-meeting?
[18:37] <neversfelde> Riddell: I guessed that :(. I think it does not work with ppa1 version of Amarok 2.1 either
[18:38] <neversfelde> er ppa2
[18:40] <Riddell> shtylman: if it's free
[18:41] <shtylman> k...if not? then here?
[18:42] <Riddell> yes
[18:42] <shtylman> k
[18:46] <apachelogger> ok, so a female friend of mine got birthday in a couple of days ... what present shall I get her?
[18:46] <apachelogger> seriously lost here
[18:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: any help?
[18:47] <Riddell> kubuntu CD?
[18:47] <Nightrose> *lol*
[18:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: what kinda girl?
[18:47] <Nightrose> geeky? normal? goth?
[18:47] <Nightrose> anything else?
[18:47] <apachelogger> normal
[18:47] <apachelogger> I'd say
[18:48] <Nightrose> book or cd then
[18:49] <apachelogger> seriously, my friends ain't much help with describing her :P
[18:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: she is not much into reading
[18:49] <apachelogger> not anymore at least :D
[18:49] <Nightrose> hmmm
[18:50] <Nightrose> ok sorry - gotta take care of kde 4.2.3 release notes now to get it done before the meeting
[18:50] <tsimpson> if all else fails, gift certificate is always an idea
[18:50] <Mamarok> apachelogger: yeah, gift certificate for a books/CD store
[18:51] <shtylman> apachelogger: go with Riddell's idea...nothing says friendship like a Kubuntu CD :)
[18:52] <apachelogger> hm
[18:52] <apachelogger> actually
[18:52] <apachelogger> ture
[18:52] <apachelogger> then again only shipit cds look good
[18:54] <Riddell> chocolate, all girls love chocolate
[18:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know of at least a girl that doesn't...
[18:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must admit she's gay, on the other hand, but still a girl :)
[18:55] <shtylman> Tonio_: .... minor detail there...eh...
[18:55] <Tonio_> shtylman: oh sure !! :)
[18:55] <Tonio_> shtylman: I would never something bad about her, just that's also a fact, that's it :)
[18:56] <Mamarok> Riddell: flowers
[18:56] <ScottK> Would someone please make I nice version of "It's not going to get fixed, quit whining" in Bug 206459?
[18:56] <Tonio_> Mamarok: yeah, I think flowers is probably more relevant :)
[18:56]  * Tonio_ never heard about a girl that doesn't like to be offered flowers
[18:57] <Tonio_> perfume aswell
[18:57] <ScottK> If the meeting here or in #ubuntu-meeting?
[18:57] <apachelogger> depends if someone fridged it
[18:58] <Mamarok> Tonio_: perfume is only working if you know what she likes
[18:58] <Tonio_> Mamarok: de facto...
[18:58] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in two minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:59] <ScottK> That answers that question.
[19:00] <neversfelde> someone told me to report that amarok libgpod-dev/libgpod-nogtk-de problem upstream, I'll do and push that iPod Amarok 2.1 beta package working with iPod in my PPA. I think my skills for improving 03_mysqle_link_to_amarok_executable.diff Pacth are not good enough.
[19:00] <maco> apachelogger: no no, there's artwork available for ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu jaunty
[19:00] <Riddell> Tonio_, seele, Nightrose, nixternal, yuriy: council ping #ubuntu-meeting
[19:00] <Tonio_> yup yup
[19:01] <maco> apachelogger: you can print 'em out on stickers and such and make a pretty kubuntu cd for her
[19:12] <apachelogger> hm
[19:12] <apachelogger> maco: that is actually a good idea
[19:13] <maco> apachelogger: do you know Spec in #ubuntu-offtopic? he would do that and then go "i got you a WHOLE operating system!"
[19:14] <maco> apachelogger: is Mamarok really your mum?
[19:14] <blizzz> what is Dx?
[19:15] <JontheEchidna> blizzz: desktop experience
[19:15] <blizzz> w00t
[19:15] <maco> see also #ayatana
[19:15] <apachelogger> maco: nah
[19:16] <apachelogger> but since I was like an amarok dood she kinda is :P
[19:16] <maco> ah ok
[19:17] <maco> there's a log somewhere of when i became an ubuntu member, kjcole said "congrats, mom" because after once being mistaken by a waitress for his girlfriend (O_O) and once for his daughter (makes more sense) we decided that to really screw everyone up, next time someone assumes one of those, he says "no, she's my step-mom"
[19:17] <maco> (i'm about 30 years younger than him)
[19:17] <Mamarok> maco: I am the mum of *all* Amarokers
[19:20] <maco> Mamarok: about Karmic being a K word....just no abbreviating Kubuntu Karmic Koala
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> Cubuntu Carmic Coala
[19:20] <seele> Cola?
[19:21] <blizzz> the kkk took my baby away *bumble*
[19:21] <maco> haha yeah have a punk rock wallpaper
[19:21] <blizzz> -bumble +hum
[19:21] <blizzz> maco: : yeah!
[19:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see the Debian Security Notice on kdegraphics?
[19:23] <Riddell> nope
[19:23] <ScottK> More xpdf embedded copy trouble.
[19:23]  * ScottK finds it.
[19:25] <ScottK> Riddell: http://archive.cert.uni-stuttgart.de/debian-security-announce/2009/05/msg00008.html
[19:27] <Mamarok> maco: didn't even occur to me, was looking for a fourth k to make it KDE4
[19:27] <maco> haha
[19:31] <ScottK> Lure: I don't think we really want to copy so much of the Dx spec into ours.  A lot of that is stuff that isn't relvant to Kubuntu.
[19:31] <Lure> ScottK: I just want to be transparent that there are plans that may affect Kubuntu substantially
[19:31] <Lure> ScottK: but feel free to strip the summary (I just copy&pasted)
[19:32] <ScottK> Lure: Will do.
[19:32] <ScottK> I think it's up to Kubuntu to decide what from what they are doing is suitable.
[19:35] <Lure> ScottK: I hope so ;-)
[19:35]  * ScottK too.
[19:35] <Tonio_> ScottK, Lure: imho, it's all a matter of priorities, that we should discuss during the UDS
[19:36] <Tonio_> maybe keeping two separate pages ain't bad
[19:36] <ScottK> I'll rework our page.
[19:37] <ScottK> smarter: The wiki says you've got edit lock on the specs page.  Please let me know when you are done.
[19:38] <smarter> just done
[19:38] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[19:46]  * ghostcube gives a round cookies
[19:47] <tsimpson> just the one cookies? ;)
[19:48] <ghostcube> hmm havent got enough to build space cakes
[19:48] <ghostcube> :D
[19:48] <ghostcube> just chokie
[19:48] <ghostcube> boah seems to get an update day
[19:48] <ghostcube> :)
[19:50] <ghostcube> hmm guys i now tested quassel a few days and i must say its ok but it needs love :) some nice things are implemented but some are not so well, but i think this is as always
[19:50] <neversfelde> Lure: no really, I am working with koffice for years now
[19:50] <neversfelde> but, I must confess that I mostly and only need a word processor
[19:52] <Riddell> ScottK: I knew there was a reason we dumped that embedded xpdf copy
[19:52] <tsimpson> ghostcube: you should have seen it before jaunty. trust me, it got love ;)
[19:52] <ScottK> Riddell: How far back did we dump it?
[19:52] <ghostcube> heh
[19:53] <neversfelde> ghostcube: #quassel :)
[19:53] <ghostcube> i know just mentioned :)
[19:53] <Riddell> ScottK: all the way baby
[19:53] <ScottK> \o/
[19:53] <ScottK> Excellent.
[19:54] <maco> neversfelde: i just need a .doc and .odf viewer. if i'm doing word processing or making slides, i've got LaTeX
[19:55] <neversfelde> maco: I am doing 20 docs a day, I cannot use latex for these
[19:55] <maco> LyX, if you don't want to have to type all the commands? (though i find typing the commands is often faster than navigating the insert->symbol thing)
[19:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: strike?
[19:56] <neversfelde> I have to earn some money and a good layout costs a lot :)
[19:57] <blizzz> neversfelde: why can't you use latex?
[19:57]  * maco thought the point of LaTeX was to make *perfect* layouts
[19:57] <neversfelde> blizzz: I need more tinme for a latex document
[19:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: |eagles051387| made me strike because I hade to study a backtrace of amarok with broken dbg package :P
[19:58] <neversfelde> oh, blues
[19:58] <ScottK> Everyone esle see http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Systray_finally_in_action ?
[19:58] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: yeah, looks neat
[19:58] <blizzz> neversfelde: you need to make it once. and you'll never worry about the layout anymore
[19:59] <neversfelde> blizzz: nope, I have to do a special layout everytime
[19:59] <maco> blizzz: or take a pre-existing layout and modify once. thats how my resume and calling cards both came about
[20:00] <neversfelde> judges are very sensitive :)
[20:00] <blizzz> neversfelde: i guess you need rather small changes?
[20:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh that dbg package doesn't work, maybe neversfelde can get rid of it he seems to be into amarok packaging today
[20:00] <maco> judges?
[20:00] <maco> you a lawyer?
[20:00] <neversfelde> blizzz: no, I need major changes everytime, cause I have to copy the style of the paper I am answering
[20:01] <neversfelde> maco: junior one
[20:01] <Quintasan> looks like I missed a meeting -_-'
[20:01] <maco> there's a law student who swears by LaTeX for most stuff, except that BibTeX needs to be rewritten for proper legal citations (and nobody's working on that)
[20:01] <blizzz> maco: my first experience with latex included making a layout for $FOO-thesises/papers on my study place. that was really cool.
[20:01] <maco> (Brunellus in #ubuntuforums)
[20:02] <maco> i thought there were only a small handful of legal style guides
[20:02] <maco> or rather, one main one and then Chicago
[20:02] <maco> (in the US, i mean)
[20:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think I fixed it
[20:02] <apachelogger> in experimental
[20:03] <apachelogger> if it is built yet
[20:03] <neversfelde> Riddell: I would definetly need a helping henad for that
[20:03] <neversfelde> ah ok
[20:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: technically it just needs to call dh_stip specificly for -dbg
[20:03] <apachelogger> hm
[20:03] <apachelogger> language engine seems broken again
[20:03]  * apachelogger downgrades
[20:10] <Riddell> language engine?
[20:11] <neversfelde> I am interested in Kubuntus CCs competences, is it allowed to approve loco teams?
[20:12] <neversfelde> not that I would think about a concrete case :)
[20:13] <Riddell> neversfelde: we'd generally encouage people to be part of the ubuntu loco team
[20:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: my language engine :P
[20:14] <neversfelde> Riddell: I read about Kubuntu Locos are possible?
[20:16] <Riddell> neversfelde: anything is possible
[20:17] <Riddell> Mamarok: I approved your membership, <lp-id>@kubuntu.org e-mail address should start working in a couple of days or so, if you have a blog you can add it to planet ubuntu now
[20:19] <devfil_> Riddell: there is the kdewebdev merge (from 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu1 to 4:4.2.2-1), do you think it's safe to update kdewebkit to kde4?
[20:19] <Quintasan> Mamarok: grats on membership :)
[20:21] <Riddell> devfil_: that would mean losing quanta
[20:21] <Riddell> wait hang on
[20:21] <Riddell> kdewebkit?
[20:21] <apachelogger> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
[20:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: you really don't want to consider that at all
[20:21] <Riddell> apachelogger: what?
[20:22] <apachelogger> losing quanta
[20:22] <apachelogger> even though one might not imagine, but that thing actually got quite some users
[20:22] <Riddell> right
[20:22] <neversfelde> Riddell: :D ok. kubuntu-de.org's goal was and is to become an offical loco team, ofcourse we are willing to cooperate with the other german locos together as much as possible. But where do we have to show our work to get approved? It is not an urgent matter, but we need that goal to stay motivated. I think it will be a very difficult thing, and a NO, would be a a disaster.
[20:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: they were all over the bug tracker when issues due to missing kdebase appeared
[20:22] <Riddell> neversfelde: as far as I'm concerened kubuntu-de has always been an official loco
[20:23]  * ScottK uses Quanta
[20:23] <devfil_> Riddell: there is no a qt4 version of quanta?
[20:23] <Riddell> devfil_: no it's waiting on kdevelop for kde 4
[20:24] <Riddell> devfil_: but I see debian has kdewebdev as kde 4 now
[20:24] <neversfelde> Riddell: is it? I would be wondering. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList We are not in there and we always have problems to get cds as an official loco would.
[20:25] <Riddell> so maybe we should too and rename the kde 3 one to kdewebdev-kde3
[20:25] <neversfelde> for example
[20:26] <Riddell> neversfelde: mm, that's an issue for the community council
[20:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, we need to back them up
[20:26] <Riddell> neversfelde: the kubuntu council could talk to the community council about improving that I guess
[20:26] <devfil_> Riddell: I know that debian has kdewebdev (kde4), so we can update kdewebdev (kde3) as kdewebdev-kde3 and merge kdewebdev from debian, right?
[20:27] <Riddell> devfil_: that seems sensible
[20:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: ok, I think we should put it on the agenda of one of our next meetings. I'll talk to our local cc
[20:27] <neversfelde> ty
[20:27] <Riddell> neversfelde: local cc?
[20:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: yes, we have a german kubuntu cc, which manages the german speaking kubuntu community. Also we have kubuntu-de.org members, seems to be a junior step to grow to a kubuntu member
[20:29] <neversfelde> its an entrance to work at kubuntu and ofcourse kubuntu-de.org
[20:30] <neversfelde> we try to replicate the international structures
[20:31] <ScottK> Riddell: UDS travel all set.
[20:31]  * apachelogger notes that he still thinks that this might be dangeorus at times because the international structure is meant for a project with a lot more people
[20:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: it works not so bad. We pull down language barriers, we give german speaking support and ofcourse we are trying to work international, too
[20:35] <claydoh> the kubuntu-de folks seem much more tied into the kubuntu community as a whole than, say, kubuntuforums
[20:35] <claydoh> they deserve a lot of credit, at least
[20:36] <ScottK> claydoh: You missed the meeting and a chance to recruit Mamarok into the Kult.
[20:36] <Mamarok> Riddell: thx
[20:36] <Mamarok> oh, and thx to you to, Quintasan :)
[20:36] <neversfelde> our forum has 50 posts a day and our wiki is highly focussed on KDE. Well, we should really work on getting german wiki guides in kubuntu docs, but that ist on the todo
[20:36]  * claydoh was stuck, couldn't get home after 3 :(
[20:36] <claydoh> flat tire on my bike :(
[20:37] <neversfelde> and ofcourse we are interested in getting better localisation, we started at kubuntu docs, I guess that worked
[20:37] <Mamarok> seele: thx for your vote too of course :)
[20:37]  * Mamarok bows to thank for all the support
[20:38] <claydoh> Mamarok: sorry I missed my chance to add to the positivr vote
[20:38]  * ScottK does wonder a bit if he's lost his title as the oldest Kubuntu member (I think I am/was).
[20:38] <claydoh> how old?
[20:38] <ScottK> 46
[20:38] <claydoh> ok, you got me by 3\
[20:51] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: seems like the snapshot is falling apart :(
[20:59] <neversfelde> apachelogger: strikebreaker!
[21:01] <yuriy> damn, did I just miss the meeting again?
[21:01] <yuriy> I even had the reminder email up on my screen
[21:02] <neversfelde> yuriy: 2 h late :)
[21:06] <Mamarok> ScottK: you definitely are second now :)
[21:06] <ScottK> Heh.
[21:07] <Mamarok> but not in KDE, annew beats me by some more years :)
[21:09] <apachelogger> neversfelde: why should you suffer for the faults of others :P
[21:09] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:09] <Mamarok> claydoh: thanks anyway :)
[21:17]  * apachelogger is wondering where neversfelde learned packaging
[21:18] <neversfelde> apachelogger: here
[21:18] <neversfelde> and why?
[21:19] <apachelogger> way too decent for a minion
[21:20] <neversfelde> uh, LGPL in bilbo. I asked upstream about that
[21:20] <neversfelde> hehe
[21:20] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ist the lintian override ok?
[21:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: lgpl is metioned as an alternative in COPYING, do I have to put it in /debian/copyright?
[21:25] <apachelogger> neversfelde: is there a complete copy of the LGPL in copying?
[21:25] <apachelogger> and yes, it needs to be mentioned in copyright
[21:25] <apachelogger> best with all the files licensed with it
[21:26] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no it is only http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/165677/
[21:26] <neversfelde> so all files are lgpl if you want to?
[21:27] <apachelogger> neversfelde: there just needs to be a complete copy of the license and you need to mention the affected files in copyright
[21:27] <apachelogger> upstream can add the complete copy to SVN and you just add it to the tarball (though in that case you need to document it in the changelog)
[21:27] <apachelogger> best would be if upstream just pushes a new release with it
[21:27] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I will ask mtux
[21:27] <apachelogger> ok
[21:31] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I did a libbilbokblog and libbilbokbloh-dev, learned much, but than #ubuntu-motu told me to not publish ist :)
[21:34] <apachelogger> well
[21:34] <apachelogger> only bilbo uses it internally
[21:34] <apachelogger> so the libs are pretty useless ;-)
[21:39] <neversfelde> I contacted upstream
[22:33] <neversfelde> there was a very bad recession of Kubuntu 9.04 in prolinux, made me sad. But generally I think the feedback is good, there were severeal threads in our forum. Thay wnat to thank the devs and I think I shoul pass it here :)
[22:34] <neversfelde> gnah batteries empty sorry
[22:37] <neversfelde> I think changing the build dep to libgpod-dev and removing the ipod build patch should be no proplem for the experimetal package of amarok?
[22:38] <neversfelde> it woul support iPods
[22:38] <neversfelde> other problems should be fixed in karmic?
[22:46] <ScottK> I think for experimental as long as the Amarok devs have been contacted and they are working on it is fine.
[22:50] <apachelogger> neversfelde: no libgpod
[22:51] <apachelogger> talk to upstream
[22:51] <apachelogger> it introduces new packages whill make kpackagekit fail for the time being
[22:51] <apachelogger> s/whill/which will
[22:51] <neversfelde> apachelogger: even not for an experimentl package?
[22:51] <apachelogger> it is not an experimental change
[22:52] <neversfelde> well, it is in an experimental ppa ;)
[22:52] <apachelogger> it is a bloody workaround for an issue that probably can be solved with a patch adding one include
[22:52] <neversfelde> and it is beta
[22:52]  * ghostcube notices he must test it so dont be tooo workaroundish :D
[22:52] <apachelogger> ~workaround
[22:53] <apachelogger> ~facts about workarounds
[22:53] <neversfelde> +lastfm
[22:53] <neversfelde> ~lastfm :)
[22:53] <apachelogger> clearly the bot must be gone
[22:53] <apachelogger> poor bot
[22:53] <ghostcube> R:I:P
[22:53] <apachelogger> hm
[22:54] <neversfelde> this is an rbot?
[22:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: you know... for a server you have a lot of reboots :P
[22:54] <ghostcube> kubuntu boden turnen
[22:55] <ghostcube> :¦
[22:55]  * neversfelde can provide a quassel server for kubuntu members
[22:55]  * ghostcube thinks there are enough password sniffers arround
[22:55] <ghostcube> :))
[22:55] <apachelogger> neversfelde: it would serve the members better if you could provide a server where we can do fancy stuff on
[22:55] <apachelogger> like packaging QA for KDE releases and stuff
[22:56] <neversfelde> apachelogger: a simple vps?
[22:56] <apachelogger> yup
[22:56] <apachelogger> ultimately we'd have a chroot or something
[22:56] <apachelogger> so we can mess with things our selfs
[22:57] <apachelogger> btw
[22:57] <neversfelde> I will think about it
[22:57] <apachelogger> we got loads of PPA buildds
[22:57]  * apachelogger started staging kde-nightly for jaunty
[22:57] <neversfelde> oh yes
[22:57] <ghostcube> kde-nightly will contain what ?
[22:58] <Riddell> yay, qt built!
[22:58] <neversfelde> :)
[22:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: poke neversfelde into getting us a server for release magic ;-)
[22:58] <ghostcube> ppa is still in heavy compiling eh ? iam getting updates one by one
[22:58] <Riddell> release magic?
[22:58] <apachelogger> nope
[22:58] <apachelogger> pretty empty actually
[22:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: run QA on the packages, eliminate batsend in favor of branches on $private server etc.
[22:59] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am writing final exam in about a month will last till october, but after thet I will look at that problem
[22:59]  * apachelogger would be most interested in the QA part obviously ...
[22:59] <apachelogger> we could do like automated file clash detection
[23:00] <claydoh> apachelogger: I never did get a response from the QA dudes :(
[23:00] <neversfelde> s/thet/that
[23:00] <apachelogger> claydoh: I don't do much wondering
[23:00] <apachelogger> claydoh: davmor mentioned that they will refactor the whole qa.ubuntu.com thingy though
[23:00] <apachelogger> so we might stand a better chance after UDS
[23:00] <apachelogger> for now the wiki will have to do :)
[23:00] <claydoh> cool
[23:01] <NCommander> What magic is needed apachelogger ?
[23:01] <apachelogger> neversfelde: likes \sh said we would get a server in like december last year
[23:01] <apachelogger> and like we almost got access to fancy ubuntuwire :D
[23:01] <claydoh> I have the 'bad' luck of having few to no hardware probs and finds very few bugs
[23:01] <apachelogger> NCommander: the magic is not the need, the server is
[23:01] <neversfelde> apachelogger: \sh gets a baby, or not?
[23:02] <NCommander> apachelogger, mind doing me a favor, I have a main upload stuck int he queue
[23:02] <ghostcube> Die folgenden Pakete haben nicht erfüllte Abhängigkeiten:
[23:02] <ghostcube>   linux-restricted-modules-generic: Hängt ab: linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-12-generic ist aber nicht installierbar
[23:02] <ghostcube> oo
[23:02] <ghostcube> tip?
[23:03] <claydoh> ghostcube: disable 'pre-release' updates'
[23:03] <apachelogger> neversfelde: that is still not released?
[23:04]  * apachelogger really doesn't get whats the hold up with developing \\sh_baby :P
[23:04] <ghostcube> its an apt-get dist-upgrade error showing with amarok
[23:04] <apachelogger> NCommander: what would that favor be?
[23:04] <apachelogger> you know
[23:04] <apachelogger> technically I am still on strike
[23:04] <ghostcube> amarok is laging common and modules the 2.6.x part
[23:04] <NCommander> apachelogger, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openexr/+bug/372112
[23:04] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no release I think :)
[23:04] <apachelogger> since UTCish it's not thursday, and I am on strike till thursday
[23:04] <apachelogger> that is technically of course
[23:05] <apachelogger> hm
[23:06] <apachelogger> neversfelde: last blog post said that release is imminent
[23:06] <apachelogger> that was 2 days ago
[23:06] <neversfelde> apachelogger: would you send me a paper for what is exactly needed, servertechnisch?
[23:07] <NCommander> apachelogger, what's on Thursday?!
[23:07] <apachelogger> my strike ends
[23:07] <neversfelde> not urgent cause I cannot react before summer
[23:07] <apachelogger> neversfelde: doesn't need to be anything fancy, it doesn't really matter if processing stuff takes hours
[23:07] <apachelogger> a fast connection would be good though
[23:07] <apachelogger> and as said, ultimately we'd have full mangement
[23:08] <neversfelde> apachelogger: daisy build here, but it is a little bit buggy although very popular
[23:08] <neversfelde> apachelogger: so a build server?
[23:08] <apachelogger> nah
[23:08] <ghostcube> root server
[23:08] <neversfelde> isn't launchpad enough
[23:09] <ghostcube> 50 mbit :) 2 tb hdd hotswap 16 gig ram
[23:09] <ghostcube> go and get one neversfelde
[23:09] <ghostcube> :D
[23:09] <neversfelde> ghostcube: I have one I think
[23:10] <ghostcube> and maybe xeoan aud pumped
[23:10] <ghostcube> :)
[23:10] <ghostcube> cool
[23:10] <apachelogger> neversfelde: use cases: a) grab $tarballs from KDE b) let $packagers download $tarballs c) create $branch from $launchpad_packagin_branch d) let $packagers push to $branch e) possibly create $src_package from $branch and $tarball and upload to $ppa f) download $deb from $ppa and run ruby love scripts on $debs to assure quality g) possibly spit out fancy html of ruby love script results
[23:10] <ghostcube> o_O
[23:11] <apachelogger> the fancier the server is, the happier $packagers get :P
[23:11] <ghostcube> apachelogger: go and poke the build server for amarok-common
[23:12] <ghostcube> -_-
[23:12] <ghostcube> openoffice on build too -_-
[23:12] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I am not a server pro, so I cannot comment atm
[23:13] <apachelogger> NCommander: I feel uncomfortable sponsoring that as I have no clue what openexr does, nor what an NPTL patch in the kernel would do, sorry
[23:13] <apachelogger> ghostcube: didn't I repoke that already?
[23:14] <ghostcube> amarok isnt coming it refuses cause amarok-common is nut th3re
[23:14] <neversfelde> I do own alfred, he's one of the small hetzner root servers and I think he can do it
[23:14] <apachelogger>   kdemultimedia-dev: Depends: kdebase-workspace-dev (>= 4:4.2.3) but it is not going to be installed
[23:14] <apachelogger> well
[23:15] <apachelogger> say thanks to however uploaded 4.2.3 to experimental and thus breaking the build
[23:15] <apachelogger> s/however/whoever
[23:15] <NCommander> apachelogger, openexr is a build-dep of KDE. NPTL is a bit in the HPPA kernel used for threading, and the lack of it is what has greatly broken a vast number of packages being built on HPPA
[23:15] <ghostcube> yeah i have many 4.2.3 updates here
[23:15] <ghostcube> and strange things are going on -_-
[23:15] <ghostcube> lol
[23:16] <apachelogger> NCommander: +    - Added hppa to NO_MAKE_CHECK_ARCHES
[23:16] <apachelogger> poorly documented
[23:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[23:16] <neversfelde> why is the first Bloc Party album the only one that does not suck :)
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[23:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is with 4.2.3 in experimental
[23:17] <apachelogger> especially with it being broken?
[23:17] <apachelogger> neversfelde: cause you should be listening to daft punk anyway
[23:17] <neversfelde> apachelogger: lets talk about that server thing after I wrote  that exam and probably in german
[23:18] <ghostcube> -_- kanzleramt for the world _-_
[23:18] <apachelogger> neversfelde: by then I will either have found a server or committed suicide for failing on finding a server
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> oh
[23:18] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thats house isnt it
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> ninja's LP page is br0ke
[23:18] <ghostcube> oh sounds not good
[23:18] <neversfelde> apachelogger: 7 weeks?
[23:18] <JontheEchidna> so I couldn't see what was already there
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> so I just used experimental
[23:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:19] <ghostcube> :|
[23:19] <apachelogger> that is a rather crude approach
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: next time create a staging ppa in experimental or something
[23:19] <ghostcube> ok will kde be back up if i reboot :D
[23:19] <neversfelde> apachelogger: please dont commit it :)
[23:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: currently amarok is failing to install on amd64 and lpia because -common is missing and -common can't be built because it can't resolve the deps
[23:21] <neversfelde> apachelogger: we can talk about it the next days, but I am very busy, so I can't guarantee a productive solutione
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> if I could get someone to upload kdebase-workspace to -experimental that'd be lovely
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> if I try to upload something that big it fails
[23:22] <neversfelde> someone could talk to LJPA about not forcing me to wirte exam, so :D
[23:22] <apachelogger> NCommander: just wondering, why don't we just update the kernel patch ... if we introduce such short-term solutions for all the packages that appear to be failing due to this, we also need to remove them again
[23:22] <apachelogger> which is a PITA TBH
[23:22] <ghostcube> apachelogger: http://pastie.org/470566
[23:23] <apachelogger> neversfelde: read what JontheEchidna wrote .. that would be usecase e) in my list ;-)
[23:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: hehe, my english is not so good, guessed that? Ask JontheEchidna he had to answer my questions :)
[23:24] <apachelogger> neversfelde: re productive: I really just need a raw setup with root, I can take over from there
[23:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so, where is tha mail?
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you need the source package?
[23:24] <apachelogger> diff and dsc
[23:25] <neversfelde> apachelogger: so you need a small and simple chroot env?
[23:25] <apachelogger> aye
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> hum, where'd it go?
[23:25] <neversfelde> should be not a big prob
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> vorian didn't send me that one it seems...
[23:25] <apachelogger> neversfelde: we can always recreate later on, but for starters something simple will do just fine
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> vorian: plingity
[23:26] <apachelogger> we need to evaluate the possibilities anyway
[23:26] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes
[23:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and that is why I am constantly bitching about how we should have a server to collaborate with
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> a server would be nice
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: could you send kdebase-workspace over to apachelogger?
[23:27] <apachelogger> the risk of $coordinator getting cought up in some $real_life stuff is way too high + that person can't be around 24/7 anyway + it is kind of a bottleneck
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> as we are finding out this release the hard way :(
[23:28] <apachelogger> I have told you months ago
[23:28]  * apachelogger claims himself a prophet now :P
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> On an unrelated note, I think the Qt packaging is too big to not be kept in a bzr branch
[23:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the packaging or the package?
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> packaging
[23:29] <apachelogger> how so?
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> for example I want to update the icons in debian/desktop
[23:29] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Sure thing
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> but that wouldn't be something worthy of a complete upload
[23:30] <neversfelde> apachelogger: let us have a talk of this server thing in the next days. I guess I have to ask commander to give me help, but probably alfred can help
[23:30] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: I just am not positive if it will build (unless the PPA has caught up)
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ah
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> but then I'd have to throw around a debdiff since it's not in bzr
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I missed the "not"
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: totally agree
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> ah
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> good :)
[23:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to create one
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nhandler the ppa seems to have caught up nicely
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> er
[23:30] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: ^
[23:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[23:30] <apachelogger> we have like a billion buildds now
[23:31]  * ghostcube nods
[23:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ok, thanks
[23:31] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Ok, give me a little bit to test that it builds. Then I'll send it
[23:31] <apachelogger> neversfelde: creating a chroot on debian/ubuntu with debian/ubuntu is actually quite easy :)
[23:31] <neversfelde> ah ccr :)
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: thanks
[23:32] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Should I CC vorian? Or only send it to apachelogger
[23:32]  * JontheEchidna goes about creating a bzr branch for Qt
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: oh, so it has been completely unreviewed so far?
[23:33] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Right
[23:33] <ghostcube> oO
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> cripes
[23:33] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, but I said, that I am not a pro and I am laywer here, so it is not so easy to save my data.I cannot present it to everyone I like :)
[23:33] <nhandler> vorian said to wait to send it until the PPA updated
[23:33] <ghostcube> a lawyer ß
[23:34] <ghostcube> was bissn du fürn rechtsverdreher
[23:34] <ghostcube> :)
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I can understand waiting
[23:34] <neversfelde> ghostcube: nen halber :)
[23:34] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I'd like to note that offering a free quassel core to members is way more dangerous then
[23:34] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: vorian got caught up in real life stuff and can't make it back for release stuff, so I don't think cc'ing him would do much good
[23:34] <ghostcube> erklär mir wann ich ne herausgabe auf 985 stütze wann auf 812 (1) 1. alt
[23:34] <apachelogger> one security leak in the core and ...
[23:34] <ghostcube> :P
[23:35] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Ok, I'll try to have it in apachelogger's inbox this afternoon
[23:35] <apachelogger> what is that in UTC?
[23:35] <apachelogger> i.e. sensible time :P
[23:35] <ghostcube> 5 a clock
[23:35] <ghostcube> or
[23:35] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I do not offer a free core and I have to look at Rückversicherung
[23:35] <JontheEchidna> ~time nhandler
[23:35] <kubotu> nhandler is an unknown time.
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> ~time
[23:36] <kubotu> JontheEchidna: America - New York - Wed May 06 18:30 EDT
[23:36] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ok
[23:36] <ghostcube> ~time
[23:36] <kubotu> ghostcube: use time set <Continent/City> to set your timezone.
[23:36] <nhandler> apachelogger: I'm in UTC-5
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> ~time America/Chicago
[23:36] <kubotu> America - Chicago - Wed May 06 17:30 CDT
[23:36] <apachelogger> nhandler: set yer timezone :P
[23:36] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nhandler's time is ^^^
[23:37] <apachelogger> hm
[23:37]  * apachelogger is wondering when afternoon ends and evening starts
[23:37] <ghostcube> 17 to 18 a clock
[23:37] <ghostcube> :|
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> I'd say it's already evening here...
[23:38] <ghostcube> wonders when all will have 24 hours on there damn clocks
[23:38] <ghostcube> :D
[23:38] <apachelogger> ghostcube: well, you know how the yankees are, they are still using imperial system as well
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> lol, kubuntu-members has an aRts bzr branch
[23:39] <apachelogger> who knows maybe evening starts at 23 round there
[23:39] <ghostcube> yeah inch
[23:39] <ghostcube> who the fuck is inch
[23:39] <ghostcube> :E
[23:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: death to it!
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> last modified: 98 weeks ago \o/
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> baleeted
[23:39] <apachelogger> ~order taepodong-2 for JontheEchidna
[23:39]  * kubotu bombs JontheEchidna into heaven.
[23:39] <apachelogger> hm
[23:40] <apachelogger> that was unexpected
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:40] <JontheEchidna> ~order taepodong-2 for aRts
[23:40]  * kubotu bombs aRts into heaven.
[23:40] <apachelogger> hm
[23:40] <apachelogger> more like hell
[23:40] <apachelogger> that order clearly needs a randomization
[23:40] <nhandler> ~time nhandler
[23:40] <kubotu> America - Chicago - Wed May 06 17:34 CDT
[23:40] <ghostcube> bombs into new jersey
[23:40] <apachelogger> kubotu: google taepodong-2
[23:40] <kubotu> Results for taepodong-2: 1. Taepodong-2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2 | 2. Taep'o-dong 2 (TD-2) - North Korea: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/dprk/td-2.htm | 3. Federation of American Scientists :: North Korea's Taepodong and ...: http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclearweapons/Taepodong.html
[23:40] <ghostcube> ^
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> do we want this branch anymore: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/debian
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> or any of those ending in /debian rather than /ubuntu?
[23:41]  * neversfelde likes to approve for MOTU after this release cycle or in early 2010, do I have to attend something special?
[23:41] <apachelogger> probably not
[23:41] <apachelogger> though
[23:41] <apachelogger> I think most of those ending with /debian should be vcs-imports from debian
[23:42] <neversfelde> I think I need a mentor :)
[23:42] <apachelogger> one never knows
[23:42] <nhandler> neversfelde: Talk to hauts
[23:42] <apachelogger> neversfelde: s/approve/apply
[23:42] <JontheEchidna> they all seem to be 97 or 98 weeks old
[23:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: yes, sorry my english
[23:42] <apachelogger> well, it's not gonna get any better if I don't tell you :P
[23:42] <apachelogger> then again my language engine is breaking all the time anyway...
[23:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: overview page urly plz
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/
[23:43] <neversfelde> nhandler: whats hauts?
[23:43] <nhandler> neversfelde: I meant huats: https://launchpad.net/~christophe.sauthier
[23:44] <nhandler> neversfelde: He is in charge of the mentoring reception
[23:44] <ghostcube> wieso is man anwalt und macht hier mit :| ich mein ich bin hoffentlich bald steuerberater lol aber ich muss erst durch mein rechts examen in 5 wochen
[23:44] <ghostcube> :|
[23:44] <ghostcube> ich kotz gleich
[23:44] <neversfelde> ghostcube: good luck :)
[23:44] <ghostcube> :|
[23:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: apparently most of that stuff is from the first import trial
[23:44] <ghostcube> i need it
[23:44] <neversfelde> und ich hoffe du machst dann hier mit^^
[23:45] <ghostcube> ich kann nix jedenfalls nich coden
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: when bzr was still slower than a snail and buggier than a bug
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kdeadmin can go
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> also, how do I create a branch so that it doesn't show up in +junk?
[23:45] <neversfelde> nhandler: thanks for info
[23:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need to push it to a project
[23:45] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Just specify a package in the bzr push command
[23:45] <ghostcube> i never build any really big packages or so
[23:45] <ghostcube> :)
[23:45] <nhandler> You're welcome neversfelde
[23:46] <apachelogger> nhandler: s/package/project
[23:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for katapult you should ask mez, though from the looks of it, that can go too
[23:46] <nhandler> apachelogger: :)
[23:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: all of kde core /debian can go
[23:47] <apachelogger> oh
[23:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: what to do with the kubuntu-icons-mono thingy I started ... danny never answered my question whether I can add the Kubuntu-specific ones to the upstream version
[23:48] <apachelogger> so I suppose we should just use it as the overlay it was meant to be, on top of kde's mono set
[23:49] <apachelogger> seems better anyway, otherwise other distros (if there were any that got another apachelogger, who cares about everything no one else cares about :P) would want to add their stuff as well and bloat the set even further
[23:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: did I know about that?
[23:49] <apachelogger> lol
[23:50] <Riddell> well, I've been boozing, but I'd have though it easier to keep the icons all in one place
[23:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, those in kubuntu-icons-mono are hardly useful outside kubuntu land
[23:50] <apachelogger> IIRC it's for stuff like launchpad
[23:51] <apachelogger> also it gives us greater dynamic in adding new stuff
[23:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the webkit branch should be moved to it's own branch as it currently doesn't follow policy
[23:56]  * apachelogger notes that thanks to the superior design of neon he was able to make only certain packages cause an upload hold-up
[23:57] <apachelogger> with 2 slocs, of which one is actually just creating the array defining that stack and the other only being half a line anyway :D
[23:58] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, did you test drive the refactored release script yet?