[00:07] I documented the patch I put in to bzr :D [00:13] need to document it in the changelog so we don't have to go through the debian/changelog and the bzr changelog as well [00:15] I put it in debian/changelog too [00:15] and then I always copy the debian changelog entries relevant to the bzr commit for the commit message [00:32] JontheEchidna: ya, I don't think you were the guilty one in the kdemultimedia one :) [00:32] ^_^ [00:49] hrmm, MoM isn't playing nice [00:49] removing .pot files in the diffs [00:56] nixternal: what has a .pot file? [00:57] Riddell: kwave [00:57] non-kde-core package [01:07] well it'll get removed by our clean rule [01:07] but generated again by our build rules [01:08] not something to worry about really [01:09] unless the source doesn't include a Messages.sh, perhaps? [01:09] well yes [01:09] but that's a bug in itself [01:10] * JontheEchidna nods === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [01:54] qt and kde4libs uploaded to karmic [01:54] hope they compile [02:11] ...sometime within the next month :P [02:55] Hello! I was recently let go from my job, so have a bit of free time. I know there are a number of KDE/Kubuntu projects written in Python. I've spent the 2.5 years doing Python programming, and might be able to help out. Where might I find a list of KDE/Kubuntu written in Python in which I might be able to lend a hand, look at bugs, etc? [03:07] I could probably recall several... let's see [03:07] jockey, software-properties-kde, system-config-printer-kde... [03:07] langague-selector-qt [03:07] update-notifier-kde [03:09] heh, I love when a progress indicator tells me "102% complete" === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [04:13] JontheEchidna: Thanks...great start. [04:22] grr, usb-creator doesn't seperate gtk enough from the backend for us to create an easy frontend...so I shall fix it === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler [08:21] eagles0513875: ping [08:21] poong [08:21] whoops [08:21] lol [08:21] pong [08:21] I have the package ready [08:22] amd64? [08:22] si senor [08:22] wai a second please, I need to wait for kopete notifations to disappear :P === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:23] Quintasan: im gonna head out for now wont be gone too long [08:23] ok [08:26] eagles0513875: it failed to build actually :/ [08:26] :( [08:26] due to missing files [08:26] I think thats the last problem [08:26] just keep me informed [08:26] no hurry no pressure bro [08:26] the xpm icon patch was not working and I though it was fixed :< [08:27] :( [08:27] im fighting with samba atm :( dunno whats worse [08:28] I will need to bug someone for methods of patch checking :P [08:31] have fun off to get some questions answered for my maths course for my exam === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:52] Quintasan: do i need to smack ya bout for a whiel till you stop getting on and off lol [08:52] dunno what's with mah connection [08:53] lol [09:00] FFFFFUUUUU- It takes much too long to compile [09:23] eagles0513875: yay [09:23] eagles0513875: it's alive [09:42] eagles0513875: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/69524/kvirc.tar.bz2 [09:50] Quintasan: is it just a deb [09:50] yeah and what you wanted? [09:50] :) [09:51] we need to talk to someone bout getting it put in kubuntu-experimental or pushed out as an update [09:51] hmm, good point [09:51] file a bug [09:51] but before pushing it out as an update we need to do tests [09:52] users will kill us if this will introduce regressions ;) [09:52] Quintasan: lol [09:52] well 4.0 is already in jaunty thing is with what you did you are introducing new features that dont exist yet in the version built in march [09:53] eagles0513875: test it if you can [09:53] I'm trying to get a grasp of it [09:53] Quintasan: got any questions hit me up [09:54] * Quintasan wonders if he really needs to file a bug [09:54] Won't it be better if I poke Riddel or someone else? [09:55] if you want it in -backports you should, for -updates you need to [09:55] needs a SRU for -updates [09:55] ah, I want it in kubuntu-experimental for now [09:56] Quintasan: cant install it :( [09:56] hm? [09:56] you need to install kvirc-data package as well [09:56] what do i need to install first [09:57] we need the source (.orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz and .dsc) to put it in the PPA anyway [09:57] tsimpson: I know, I gave him the deb's [09:57] Quintasan: trying to install with kpackagekit and it keeps giving me some unknown error [09:57] eagles0513875: kvirc_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb and kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb [09:57] sudo dpkg -i ^ [09:58] eagles0513875: or use gdebi-kde [09:58] ok [09:58] that reminds me I should check how's Shaman [09:58] its complaining bout dependencies [09:59] bout the svn needed the data package [09:59] now the kvirc-data is complaining bout kvirc depndency [09:59] eagles0513875: the bz2 file I sent you contains kvirc, kvirc-data, kvirc-deb [09:59] sudo dpkg -i kvirc_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb and kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb [10:04] i copied that command and yet its still having dependency issues [10:04] ill pastebin [10:04] http://pastebin.com/m853e945 [10:04] lol [10:04] what i do wrong [10:04] you are in wrong dir Xd [10:04] ? [10:04] thats where i have the .debs saved [10:04] also no F at the end of file [10:04] kvirc-data_4.0.0~svn3193-0ubuntu3_all.deb [10:04] it got it to work [10:04] brb let me restart [10:05] its updated :) ty [10:06] if you get that stuff thats missing we can get it pushed to jaunty updates :) [10:06] :D [10:06] what's missing? [10:08] tsimpson: said something bout dsc and what not [10:08] who said anything about jaunty updates? [10:08] tsimpson: kvirc 4.0 build is from back in march 3 months old [10:09] it would be nice to see it get out as an update to kvirc that is in already in jaunty [10:09] it can't just be placed in -updates [10:09] i know [10:09] Quintasan: was asking what was missing in it [10:09] aah [10:10] wait for the boss man to appear and see if it's good for -experimental for testing [10:15] blarg sry bout that trying to install a theme [10:15] well one thing for sure since the one in the repos they fix the themes :) [10:19] Quintasan: themes are pretty sweet :) [10:56] ug my qt4/phonon hackery entirely failed to work [10:59] i have the solution to static ip issues with the new network manager :) [11:01] hmm? [11:02] its not a problem with the widget itself its integration on kubuntu end with the network manager and the init.d script [11:02] i setup the static ip used the network restart script and it still used dhcp rebooted and it switched and is using static ip now [11:02] ill just file a bug for it [11:03] eagles0513875: where did you setup the static ip ? [11:04] in the gui under my wifi i chose my connection then hit edit then the tab where it says ip address [11:04] chose manual and put it in in there [11:04] what is in the interfaces file ? [11:04] actually this would be better in #kubuntu [11:05] plasma-widget-network-manager [11:05] i have no problems its something integration wise that needs to be looked at [11:05] how do you know ? [11:06] after rebooting i was using the static ip [11:06] using /etc/init.d/network restart kept using the dhcp ip that it had [11:06] how does that proves it's an intergration issue ? [11:06] lets move to #kubuntu and have a look [11:06] ok [11:08] a|wen: I havn't recreated my duplicate access points issue with n-m since I showed it to you, maybe I imagined it === dpm_ is now known as dpm [12:00] nixternal: [12:00] clean:: rm -rf po/*.pot [12:00] from /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk [12:00] I don't see why removing the .pot file should fail something to compile though, nothing happens with those files [12:13] I expect removing the GETTEXT_CREATE_TRANSLATIONS line in po/CMakeLists.txt will fix it [12:13] I don't quite understand why that needs a .pot file [12:14] guess it just feels the need to merge it [12:15] hmm, but for universe we do want the .mo files installed [12:28] nixternal: ok pkg-kde-tools 0.4.6ubuntu5 * Add a KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT variable for packages which moan if you delete their .pot file [12:28] export KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=1 [12:28] in the debian/rules file will sort it [12:53] wow amarok-common still not build [12:53] :) [12:58] ho hum, now the archive is a mess until qt and phonon and everything compiles [14:04] Riddell: could you take a look at bug 372689 please? [14:04] Launchpad bug 372689 in pinentry-qt4 "Sync pinentry-qt4 0.7.3+svn885721-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372689 [14:12] k === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:15] cool, thx [14:15] figure that if we're shipping svn versions of software, they might as well be at least somewhat recent ;-) [14:32] JontheEchidna: done [14:33] wow, the archive is skewed in regards to Qt [14:33] * JontheEchidna reads backlog [14:34] ah, phonon [14:36] yeah, the version number hackery I tried didn't work [14:36] so now I'm just renaming to libqt4-phonon [14:36] which means everything will need to be recompiled against it [14:36] so got to wait for the builds to finish and the builds for everything (libs, base) to finish before things will be installable again [14:37] and it's still building! takes its time does qt [14:47] ok, so then I should probably wait for akonadi sponsorship until after it builds [14:48] * JontheEchidna wonders if kde4libs is done in the ppa [14:51] Hole:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty/main kdelibs5-dev 4:4.2.3-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1 [1099kB] [14:54] ooh kde4libs is indeed done [14:54] JontheEchidna: going to retry the other bits in the PPA? [14:54] yup [14:54] then I'll upload the next layer [14:58] * Riddell wibbles a bit that qt failed on lpia [15:02] oh poo [15:02] hi flacoste! [15:02] the qt compile was all wrong [15:02] now I feel silly [15:02] hi flacoste :) [15:02] I think that the libgpod0.7 build patch might cause the problems wit amarok 2.1 beta and ipods in kubuntu. Has someone tried to build it without? [15:02] hi Riddell! [15:03] hi all [15:03] flacoste is a launchpad dev lead, and a huge Kubuntu fan [15:03] flacoste: how long have you been using Kubuntu/KDE? [15:04] 2006 [15:04] my first Ubuntu install was Kubuntu Breezy [15:04] and upgraded to Dapper just after joining Canonical [15:05] wow [15:05] was on Debian/Gnome before that [15:05] how is Jaunty working for you flacoste? [15:05] but a friend convinced me to try Kubuntu [15:05] and given that evolution was just crashing on me, kmail was a breath of fresh air [15:06] jaunty is working fine once i disabled desktop effects [15:06] how many times have I hears that? [15:06] (i have an intel video card) [15:06] ping a|wen_ [15:06] * rickspencer3 nods [15:06] flacoste: have you given an older driver from intrepid or gutsy a shot i was told that they are in a ppa somewhere [15:07] eagles0513875: pong [15:07] eagles0513875: it's on my todo list [15:07] a|wen_: i discovered a really strange issue with the network-manager widget [15:07] i have a bunch of follow-up tests to do on this issue [15:08] it wont connect to wired network when i plug in the ethernet cable also static ips work but require a reboot of the entire machine, not just using etc/init.d/network restart wont work it still uses dhcp after rebooting on my home network i was on a static ip [15:08] anybody packaged the amarok 2.1 beta release in a PPA by any chance? [15:08] flacoste: its in the kubuntu-experimental already [15:08] really! [15:08] ya [15:09] flacoste: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa [15:09] is it worth a shot? [15:09] neversfelde: which build patch is that? [15:09] flacoste: i like it there are some very very minor issues but bareable [15:09] i switched back to 1.4.6 because i wasn't able to sync with my ipod touch and the support for collection on external drive was very buggy? [15:09] Riddell: kubuntu_04_libgpod_0.7.diff [15:09] not sure bout ipod stuff since i dont have an ipod [15:10] neversfelde: I would have thought that wouldn't be needed any more (but then it would likely not apply) [15:10] a|wen_: would you prefer i file a bug against the widget [15:10] neversfelde: well disable it in debian/rules and throw it in a PPA if you want to test it [15:11] eagles0513875: how/should we report bugs on the experimental package? [15:11] flacoste: neversfelde says ipods still have problems with that beta build [15:11] flacoste: good question im still new to the dev community [15:11] eagles0513875: i think you should easily be able to find a static ip bug on LP [15:11] Riddell: I will try a build without and last time I tested there was an error message about it, can't remeber what was in it atm [15:11] a|wen_: will look :) now [15:12] flacoste: yes, amarok 2.1 beta is without libgpod support at the moment in kubuntu [15:12] flacoste: you can look at the package changelog and poke the uploader directly [15:12] neversfelde: let me know if you do a new build of 2.1 would love to help out testing it for you [15:12] eagles0513875: do you have an ipod? [15:12] neversfelde: no im just saying amarok in general if you do a new updated build [15:12] neversfelde: ok, i'll keep an eye on the changelog [15:13] neversfelde: or poke me if you want me to test it (with ipod support) [15:13] ok, I will try a testbuild witout that patch first, if it is not the reason I can ask sebr to help out [15:13] flacoste: will do, thanks [15:14] since the upgrade to Jaunty (and I skipped intrepid) i encountered two small issues [15:14] one is that after a while, GPG stops working in kmail [15:14] ipod is b0rked in 2.1 amarok like its in repo now [15:14] it says it's not able to find the agent anymore [15:14] restarting kmail fixes this [15:15] no such problems here [15:16] do you have automatic signing setup? [15:16] by default all my email are signed [15:16] yes [15:16] multiple identities? [15:16] oh yes :) [15:16] lol [15:16] interesting [15:16] flacoste: but I did a fresh install [15:17] it's weird though that it works for a while and then stops [15:17] probbly you should delete some config files and give it a try [15:17] I know that it is a big task^^ [15:18] yeah, the restart work-around will be fine for now [15:18] the other issue is related to keyboard layout [15:19] in KDE4 i cannot select my keyboard layout [15:19] using the config tool [15:19] it's not in the list for some reason [15:19] i've added a setxkbmap script to Autostart to work around that [15:19] setxkbmap -model logicd -layout ca -variant fr [15:21] the system settings app only list 'French Dvorak, French (legacy)' in the variants [15:21] and they result in a different keymap [15:21] and i lose the keyboard when i come back from suspend (that may be an X issue though) [15:22] i mean, that I have to rerun setxkbmap to get at the correct layout again [15:23] flacoste: what's the variant you want? [15:23] fr [15:24] Canadian French which is presumably different from Canadian French (legacy)? [15:24] yes [15:24] and it's weird because here there are two french layouts in use [15:24] CSA [15:25] I don't know where it gets its list of layouts from [15:25] and i forget the official name of the other one [15:25] which is the one i'm using [15:27] should I report a bug on system-settings? [15:31] as far as I can see it just gets the list of variants from X [15:31] so it should be an X issue [15:31] but then you can set it to the correct one so X does know about it [15:31] hmm maybe iam a bit stupid guys but is thunderbird using the systemwide default font height [15:32] flacoste: I'd recommend reporting is as a bug on system settings kxkb module in bugs.kde.org [15:32] if so that sux [15:32] :D [15:35] Riddell: ok, i'll do that [15:39] aren't there kubuntu jaunty cds on shipit? [15:40] "I want to request CDs of Kubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) [15:40] seems good [15:40] mhh [15:41] Riddell: ah, I went over ubuntu.com [15:41] thx [15:45] Riddell: is it possible to request amd64 cds? [15:46] I am answering some questions at the moment, and users seem to be a little bit confused about that [15:47] neversfelde: no i386 only [15:47] and 1 per order only too [15:47] Riddell: ok, thank you [15:47] ubuntu server may still have amd64 [15:48] E: plasma-widget-customizable-weather: md5sum-mismatch usr/share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-cwp.desktop [15:48] that doesn't look good, someone remind me to test it when it's in the archive [15:49] Riddell: we should consider backintime for karmic [15:49] Riddell: see http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Back+In+Time?content=104233 [15:49] Riddell: I have packages on my ppa for this [15:50] Riddell: the lack of a good backup/restore system is a problem I think [15:50] Riddell: I accidently made a package of that by myself, so I have it on my radar. I will remind you :) [15:50] Tonio_: sounds a bit like our old Keep app [15:51] Tonio_: would you like me to test [15:52] Riddell: it's really much better [15:52] Tonio_: isn't luckybackup proposed to get into KDE? [15:52] neversfelde: luckybackup is krap, imho [15:52] I read something about it in KDE Forum, I think [15:53] Riddell: it doesn't run as a service, but has a pretty nice profile management [15:53] Riddell: therefore, it is well maintained, which is something keep never had... [15:53] Riddell: also, it is backend/frontend oriented (and has a gnome frontend too...), pretty neat :) [15:54] neversfelde: the problem with lucky backup is the very monolithic structure [15:54] neversfelde: a simple rsync frontend, with one binary [15:54] Tonio_: I did only a quick look at it [15:54] neversfelde: rsync is never good for desktop backup [15:54] Tonio_: yes [15:54] neversfelde: as for exemple it won't manage ioslaves, samba shares and so on [15:55] but it would probably be confusing if luckybackup is part of KDE and we're shipping another tool [15:55] I guess it is only proposed, so no need to think about that :) [15:56] neversfelde: we never shipped kcontrol right ? :) [15:56] or at least not for long [15:56] hehe [15:56] neversfelde: we never shipped with kbackup [15:56] neversfelde: also never shipped with the default video player (which was a joke) [15:56] etc... [15:56] There was a default video player? [15:57] juk I think [15:57] mhh [15:57] kaffeine has never been part of kde [15:58] neversfelde: we'll se what luckybackup becomes, but right now imho, backintime is a lot better [15:58] well, the ui looks nice and simple, thats good. An advanced user often has a better way to do backups [15:58] luckybackup doesn't even respect kde UI guideline [15:58] backintime's ui, not luckybackup [15:58] neversfelde: yup, it had a couple of issues I warned upstream about [15:58] luckybackup asks you 3 or 4 questions, if you really wants to backup [15:59] neversfelde: most are fixed with the last version I have to test :) [15:59] thats a little bit MS like :) [15:59] neversfelde: it's rsync, that's the main problem for me [15:59] how to backup on my samba share without smb:// support ? :) [16:00] Riddell: well one of the things we probably should address during the UDS? I guess :) [16:00] Tonio_: do you have packages ready for testing? [16:00] * Riddell uses rsync to backup smb shares without problem [16:01] backupmanager here, nothing better :) [16:02] hard to know how most people do backups though, if they use CDs or DVDs or hard disks or what [16:16] anyone have any time to review these 20 pdf books that are free for possible inclusion in karmic [16:17] from the looks of things alot of them seem to be development books [16:17] development books included in 9.10 ? [16:18] ikonia: there is already dive into python some of these are like bash programming books for beginners to linux [16:18] where are they normally included in ubuntu [16:18] I've never noticed any pdf books included [16:18] ikonia: they are in main repo [16:19] what package ? [16:19] at least dive into python is in that repo [16:19] diveintopython [16:20] eagles0513875: is that a kubuntu related topic? [16:21] well they are mostly dev books neversfelde [16:21] hum [16:22] take a look there is an ubuntu in a nutshell book which can apply to kubuntu a book on bash scripting [16:22] http://www.linuxlinks.com/article/20090405061458383/20oftheBestFreeLinuxBooks-Part1.html thats the link of 20 pdf books [16:22] packaging pdf books....honestly [16:23] what do you suggest then ikonia a pdf only repo where all these pdf books can be downloaded from [16:23] I don't see the point of packaging a book to be honest [16:23] hence my surprise at what you've said about it being in main [16:24] ikonia: i remember suggesting it get included in a release a while ago and it seems to have been but again i dont get the reason for packaging either [16:24] dive into python is only in main because a certain benevolant dictator wants it [16:24] lol ahhhh [16:25] woudl it be possible to setup a pdf repo for pdf books or is it kinda pointless doing it that way [16:25] Riddell: at least an honest response [16:26] having them included in get hot new stuff for okular would be best I think [16:26] I don't know if or how that works though [16:26] should i contact who ever is in charge of okular dev [16:27] could do [16:27] ok will do [16:38] well thats just great okular no longer has the get hot new stuff and they are out of disk space O_o which i have no idea how thats possible [16:38] what other choices do we have for those books [16:40] well, that ipod patch does not apply correctly, but amarok does not build with libgpod-nogtk-dev either [16:43] JontheEchidna: wee issue in 4.2.3 http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/release-team/2009-May/003020.html === barteqx is now known as siekacz === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [17:19] Riddell: for UDS, I'm thinking about putting the Kubuntu sessions at about the same time, spread across the days, in the "working room" [17:19] thoughts? [17:19] ScottK: seems like your re-ack is needed for a few of these backport requests [17:19] rickspencer3: is there going to be a voip bridge? [17:19] rickspencer3: working room? [17:20] we have two rooms this time [17:20] and I think room b is smaller, so will be better set up for "working" rather than presentation style [17:20] based on last UDS, it seemed like that set up would suit the Kubuntu team better [17:21] seele: yes, there is audio and there will be a way to patch folks in [17:21] yes, the presentation setup last time was a bit mis-fitting [17:21] perhaps that argues for afternoon [17:21] so that US can call in? [17:21] rickspencer3: eek, yes. i dont want to wake up at 3am [17:22] (unless it is documentation, do that in the morning ;) [17:22] ok, I'll shoot for after lunch = Kubuntu each day [17:22] ?? [17:22] make sense? [17:22] sounds good to me, but the people actually there probably should confirm [17:23] good with me [17:23] meeting in 1.5 or 2.5 hours? [17:24] 1.5 [17:24] hum.. [17:24] * seele debates relocating [17:31] Mamarok: going to go for membership? [17:34] JontheEchidna: 4.2.3 looks like it's finally getting around to compiling [17:35] yeah, I'm preparing the second dep layer as we speak [17:35] lovely [17:35] btw, you're server didn't work out too well for me since dput couldn't validate my gpg sig and such [17:36] you guys are the people most likely to be able to answer this that i know, so sorry for the OT: for a school assignment, i need to create a new widget for a toolkit that's a subclass of an existing one. i want to do it in Qt. which package should i apt-get source if i want to modify qt itself? [17:37] Qt itself is located in the qt4-x11 source package [17:38] thanks JontheEchidna [17:38] Riddell: (re backports) - Yes. I haven't had a chance to investigate them yet. === barteqx is now known as siekacz === Pici is now known as Guest9545 [17:50] wb === Guest9545 is now known as Pici [17:52]