[01:44] <ienorand> how do I enable proposed in the sources.lst file? just add "karmic-proposed" ? I'm getting this nice error when I try to do it through synaptic qui: http://www.mibbit.com/pb/OvpGkq
[01:45] <BUGabundo> ienorand: why -are ?
[01:46] <BUGabundo> if you have why not simply enable it there?
[01:46] <Pici> ienorand: Yes, but there aren't any packages in karmic-proposed.
[01:46] <ienorand> Ah, okay...
[01:47] <ienorand> ...but then, what kernel is Karmic supposed to be on?
[01:47] <Pici> !info linux
[01:48] <Pici> !info linux karmic
[01:48] <Pici> hrm, gotta get that fixed
[01:48] <BUGabundo> Linux blubug 2.6.30-2-generic #3-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 1 01:37:37 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:48] <BUGabundo> ienorand:  ^^^
[01:48] <Pici> linux | 2.6.30-2.3 |        karmic | source
[01:49] <ienorand> Okay... then why?: Linux Mell 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:58:03 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:49] <Pici> Populating proposed only makes sense post release.
[01:50] <Pici> ienorand: You probably have installed that package directly instead of installing one of the packages that will always depend on the latest kernel version
[01:50] <BUGabundo> ienorand: still building stuff for it
[01:50] <BUGabundo> ienorand: you have to manually choose it
[01:50] <BUGabundo> only when fully built, will linux-generic depend of .30
[01:50] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Right, ah, fairenuf
[01:50] <Pici> BUGabundo: Ah. I'm not upgraded to Karmic here yet.
[01:50] <BUGabundo> ienorand: like nvidia kernel support only landed yesterday
[01:51] <BUGabundo> Pici: cutting edge, cutting edge
[01:51] <ienorand> Since everyone was running around with .30 I though I'd been left out :)
[01:51] <BUGabundo> eehe
[01:51] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I thought the same
[01:55] <ienorand> Oh, just saw the bug for the synaptic-repo-edit, and the held back apt-xapian-index, no news there then...
[01:59] <ienorand> meh, so far this is disappointingly stable.
[02:02] <BUGabundo> ehehhehe
[02:02] <BUGabundo> its stable up until Alpha5
[02:02] <BUGabundo> then all hell breaks loose
[02:03] <BUGabundo> I think Feature Freeze is bad :))
[04:12] <lamalex> does anyone know if empathy replacing pidgin has been revisited for karmic
[06:08]  * ienorand : here comes the nvidia-bash :P
[06:12] <DanaG> Nope.
[06:12] <DanaG> I've shoved the nvidia in the corner, now that I have my ATI one back.
[06:13] <DanaG> NOw to ponder whether to switch the thing to the koala.
[06:16] <sparr> is there a way to get my mouse to ignore double clicks (on any button) shorter than a certain duration?  i need a low level solution that will affect games as well as the GUI
[06:19] <sparr> and I just realized I asked that in +1, sorry
[06:21] <ienorand> DanaG: I already made the switch, only minor bugs here, I was expecting more to be honest :(
[15:28] <mib_76bozm> !empathy
[16:16] <mphill> !plymouth
[21:17] <GatoLoko> nouveau kernel module fails to build in the new 2.6.30 karmic kernel with the current package
[21:21] <pace_t_zulu> GatoLoko: I am having machine lockups since kernel 2.6.30 was installed (VMware machine though) i suspect that perhaps the open-vm-toolbox hasn't been built against the new kernel... i will look into it
[21:25] <GatoLoko> i think the nouveau thing may be caused by nouveau-kernel-source, in the main git repo there where fixes for 2.6.30 after the package snapshot
[21:26] <pwnguin> GatoLoko: this might be something for ubuntu-x to discuss
[21:26] <pace_t_zulu> GatoLoko: I see that open-vm-toolbox has not been rebuilt... i am not sure if that's what's causing the instability
[21:27] <pace_t_zulu> pwnguin: do you think it's reasonable that the open-vm-toolbox would have to be built against the new kernel?
[21:27] <pwnguin> i gotta say, kernel building isn't my expertise
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> me neither
[21:28] <pwnguin> ever since i switched to ubuntu, ive had the luxury of ignoring it
[21:28] <pace_t_zulu> pwnguin: me too
[21:31] <GatoLoko> pace_t_zulu i don't thing opem-vm-tools have anithing to do with nouveau since it's a nvidia driver (does vm emulate nvidia hardware now?) and i'm on real hardware here
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> GatoLoko: i was talking to you more as it pertained to 2.6.30 rather than the nouveau package...
[21:32] <pace_t_zulu> apologies for the confusion
[21:33] <GatoLoko> you think it may be a kernel problem rather than a module problem?
[21:33] <GatoLoko> i'm searching on the nouveau git log to see whether i can find something about 2.6.30
[21:36] <pace_t_zulu> GatoLoko: i don't know, i was just pointing out that i have experience 2.6.30 problems too... i am looking into them
[21:37] <GatoLoko> i can't find anything on the git log, but found it on #nouveau logs, nouveaus drm fails to build on 2.6.30
 Gah.  It seems drm doesn't build against 2.6.30-rc2, and naieve patches break the DDX.   <-- raof is the package maintainer
[21:38] <GatoLoko> xD
[21:39] <GatoLoko> i think it's time to get our hands dirty and mess with the code
[21:42] <pace_t_zulu> GatoLoko: good luck
[22:04] <BUGabundo> my friends I bring very bad news....
[22:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:06] <LordKow> BUGabundo: and that is?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> for all of you that know me,
[22:07] <BUGabundo> I'll be leaving development/support/bug for some time, due to personal probs :(
[22:11] <BUGabundo> LordKow: but i don't think you know me that well, do you ?
[22:11] <LordKow> nope
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I though so
[22:14] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: too bad - for how long are you leaving us?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> don't know yet
[22:14] <MTecknology> BUGabundo: well, you know we'll missing you
[22:14] <BUGabundo> its out of my hands
[22:15] <BUGabundo> its seems I spend WAY to much time online, and computer hogging
[22:15] <BUGabundo> need to get away for a while to _cure it_
[22:15] <BUGabundo> started already unsubing most MLs
[22:15] <BUGabundo> so IRC and µblogs will be off for a while too
[22:28] <BUGabundo> this is even quieter then usual....
[22:31] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Yea...
[22:32] <BUGabundo> ienorand: did you read the backlog?
[22:33] <ienorand> BUGabundo: of irc? nah.
[22:33] <BUGabundo> you should! I sad something very important :\
[22:37] <Rampdog> :)
[22:38] <ienorand> Rampdog: :D
[22:39] <BUGabundo> hi akgraner
[22:40] <ienorand> BUGabundo: What? That Ubuntu only gets unstable after feature freeze? :)
[22:40] <akgraner> hi
[22:40] <BUGabundo> ienorand: NOT that far! LOL
[22:40] <BUGabundo> akgraner: how are you girl?
[22:41] <akgraner> fine just crazy busy...
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I'll be leaving you guys, tomorowsish
[22:41] <BUGabundo> its going to be hard, but I must do it, for a while
[22:42] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Ah, real life calling?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yes
[22:43] <BUGabundo> dad is going crazy at me, for staying up until 3/4 am
[22:49] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Aw, hard times.
[22:51] <funkyHat> ooooh anyone else's X messed up in Karmic?
[22:51] <BUGabundo> funkyHat: works for me
[22:51] <BUGabundo> what GPU
[22:51] <funkyHat> BUGabundo: VBox
[22:52] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:52] <BUGabundo> I just do baremetal
[22:52] <BUGabundo> nvidia working
[23:01] <ienorand> running fine here as well on nvidia, althoug I haven't gone through the latest partial upgrade though...
[23:04] <BUGabundo> ienorand: don't do partials, okay?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> I won't be here to help you get out of that mess ;P
[23:06] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Yea, I've heard bad stuff about that... although I made quite a few of them before I knew they were bad... Warnings are blatantly a-missing.
[23:07] <BUGabundo> don't even know why UM shows it
[23:07] <BUGabundo> should be done on CLI or Synaptic
[23:08] <BUGabundo> maybe I'll file a bug and nag mvo about it
[23:08] <ienorand> And it bascially syas "Run a partial upgrade for now", clearly encouraging it..
[23:10] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:11] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/up/3g49Uvvu.png << screenie here.
[23:14] <BUGabundo> hey that's a really bad strng
[23:15] <BUGabundo> now I will file a bug
[23:15] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug update-manager
[23:28] <ienorand> Hmm, I'm still not completely on the clear why it's bad... likelyness to end up with dependency issues?, and would running apt-get to do the same procedure be any better?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> ienorand: it actually show you what's removing
[23:29] <BUGabundo> or witch libs its REPLACING
[23:29] <BUGabundo> UM doesn't
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and some times it just REMOVES packages due to depencies not built yet
[23:30] <ienorand> BUGabundo: Ah, right.
[23:32] <ienorand> So the keeping back is not as much of a problem as the removing here... why is it even made so that it can remove stuff then?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> its APT/DKPG background who does it AFAIK
[23:43] <ienorand> BUGabundo: but going through with apt, or even u-m, as long as one's checked that nothing is badly replaced/removed should be ok?
[23:46] <kklimonda> ienorand: you will see this message often during development
[23:46] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:46] <BUGabundo> lots of time stuff is not yet built or is FTBFS or FTBFD
[23:46] <kklimonda> ienorand: it is because normal update doesn't install nor deinstall any packages - only updates those that are already installed
[23:46] <BUGabundo> and UM offerts it
[23:47] <kklimonda> ienorand: atm at least one package can't be upgraded because it's dependency wasn't built.
[23:47] <kklimonda> few other need dist-upgrade because they depend on new packages
[23:53] <ienorand> Ah, the dist-upgrade wanted to do a whole lot more...
[23:54] <BUGabundo> is lP down?
[23:54] <BUGabundo> I can't submit the bug
[23:56] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: shouldn't you be taking a break? :)
[23:56] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: works fine
[23:57] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: last few min online
[23:57] <BUGabundo> time to go offline
[23:57] <BUGabundo> just wanted to post UM bug
[23:57] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/373006
[23:57] <BUGabundo> don
[23:57] <BUGabundo> *done
[23:57] <kklimonda> ah, till midnight? :)
[23:57] <BUGabundo> ehe for now
[23:57] <BUGabundo> not even sure I'll be here most of the week now :\
[23:57] <kklimonda> it shouldn't delete packages
[23:57] <kklimonda> they just won't be upgraded
[23:58] <BUGabundo> so that's a good bye for now... if not before... see you on Release Parttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[23:58] <kklimonda> :}
[23:58] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: feel free to comment on it
[23:58] <ienorand> BUGabundo: goodbye
[23:58] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: cu
[23:59]  * BUGabundo it may be sooner then expected hehe I  may not resist it