[08:16] <kwwii> good morning everyone
[08:16] <zniavre> bonjour kwwii
[12:58] <zniavre> hello
[12:59] <zniavre> i can't find the way to add application icon inside metacity title bar
[12:59] <zniavre> could you help me?
[13:03] <zniavre> im even enable to find the lines in metacity who display this icon
[15:56] <kwwii> zniavre1: check these for these lines:
[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_icon">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <icon  x="(width-mini_icon_width)/2-2"
[15:56] <kwwii>          y="(height-mini_icon_height)/2+1"
[15:56] <kwwii>          width="mini_icon_width" height="mini_icon_height"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_normal">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_pressed">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>

[15:56] <kwwii> <draw_ops name="menu_button_unfocused">
[15:56] <kwwii>   <include name="menu_button_icon"/>
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[15:57] <kwwii> and or the last two lines in <frame_style name="normal" geometry="normal"> , etc.
[15:57] <kwwii>   <button function="menu" state="normal" draw_ops="menu_button_normal"/>
[15:57] <kwwii>   <button function="menu" state="pressed" draw_ops="menu_button_pressed"/>
[16:24] <zniavre> im trying but i can't ...
[16:25] <zniavre> practice again  i will try later after dinner
[16:25] <zniavre> thank you kwwii
[16:25] <zniavre> metacity is at least more tricky than the panels
[16:50] <thorwil> kwwii, i wanto to clean up the Backgrounds page now. i intend to delete https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=sunslush.jpg for lack of high-res version. isn't exactly great, anyway
[16:52] <thorwil> kwwii, how do you feel about http://dindator.blogg.se/images/2009/ubuntu_36793804.jpg ? i think such submissions are no good. i would risk to hurt people's feelings, but you might disagree?
[17:15] <kwwii> thorwil: for now I would leave them up...I was just discussing starting up the process for wallpapers again
[17:15] <kwwii> so once we know what we want to change we can do it all at once
[17:15] <kwwii> and have a good excuse at the same time
[17:17] <thorwil> kwwii, i was just about to create 300px high versions of David's and EllE's images to put it all up. makes no sense for sunlush. it's from that shadow-some-number guy who will never follow up with something sensible, anyway
[17:18] <kwwii> thorwil: yeah, if you are going to do that kinda work, feel free to remove them then
[17:18] <thorwil> good, thanks :)
[17:18] <kwwii> if anyone complains we can give them some good advice for improvement and hope that they come back with something nicer :p
[17:20] <kwwii> for karmic, I am going to put out some info for the default wallpaper as well as a contest for photos and all other ideas so that we can put them in categories and include them as well
[17:20] <kwwii> aka apple
[17:20] <thorwil> kwwii, after this cleanup, i would like to announce strict rules, meaning that submissions that are not attached and don't have 300px high versions on the page will be removed
[17:23]  * thorwil makes a voodoo doll of mailing list digest mode, rips out it's limbs to disable it for all time
[17:25] <thorwil> for a in *.jpg; do convert $a -resize 300 ${a%%.*}_s.jpg; done
[17:28] <kwwii> thorwil: as long as we have a *really* good explanation for newbies
[17:28] <kwwii> thorwil: in fact, it would be best to put that script in one file and make it downloadable somehow
[17:28] <thorwil> sure
[17:29] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Backgrounds#How to add background images the proper way
[17:31] <kwwii> right, and that *should* be good enough but I have learned to never underestimate the stupidity of some newbies :p
[17:31] <thorwil> like i don't know that
[17:31] <kwwii> hehe
[17:31] <thorwil> but i expect nothing from those who can't or won't listen ;)
[17:31] <kwwii> well, if we do remove someone's stuff (and it is good stuff) we can send them an email asking them to do it properly
[17:32] <kwwii> true as well...although sometime the best artists are the hardest to deal with
[17:33] <thorwil> no hope for collaboration and packaging if we should run into  such a personality
[17:35] <kwwii> well, sometimes you just need to babysit them
[17:36] <thorwil> i even went so far to contact EllE, who insterted links to the images on her blog to explain how to attach them. nothing came out of that, though
[17:50] <kwwii> oh well, after 10 hours in the office it is time to go back to the hotel
[19:34] <SiDi> Hey dashua
[19:34] <SiDi> you join at the good time :D
[19:34] <dashua> Hey Sidi
[19:34] <SiDi> I just finished the xfwm for your new theme ^^
[19:35] <dashua> The broadcom drivers are foobarred in jaunty-proposed so I to compile the new one
[19:35] <dashua> Ah nice
[19:35] <dashua> Looks good man
[19:35] <SiDi> shall i mail it to you or put it on xfce-look ?
[19:35] <SiDi> (i mean alvaro theme :p)
[19:35] <SiDi> (and btw, i got suggestions regarding panel colors for alvaro)
[19:35] <dashua> Oh nice
[19:36] <dashua> You can throw it up
[19:36] <dashua> Sure, shoot?
[19:36] <SiDi> whats your mail again please ?
[19:36] <dashua> jws141
[19:36] <dashua> @gmail.com
[19:36] <SiDi> well, i think you should use orange only for mouse hover (and a slightly lighter one, with dark grey text font, for instance)
[19:36] <SiDi> and by default for the active window, some light grey
[19:37] <SiDi> cause here the default orange + light grey wouldn't look great if i didnt have an orange icon theme
[19:37] <SiDi> and the text isnt very readable
[19:37] <dashua> Alright, I'll make some mods
[19:38] <dashua> I'm digging the new scrollbars for Hanso  I think they streamline much better especially on apps where there are many scrollbars
[19:38] <dashua> Like Rhythmbox
[19:38] <SiDi> mailed it to you
[19:39] <dashua> Thx
[19:39] <SiDi> Did you commit the new scrollbars yet ?
[19:39] <dashua> Yeah
[19:39] <dashua> Dark totem is rocking pretty good too
[19:40] <SiDi> *Downloads*
[19:40] <dashua> People are digging Alvaro which I figured they would
[19:41] <dashua> They also seem to like those lighter themes
[19:41] <dashua> always*
[19:41] <SiDi> already on gnome-look.org ?
[19:41] <SiDi> i'll upload alvaro to xfce-look now then
[19:42] <dashua> Yeah
[19:42] <dashua> If you're a Lost fan, you'll catch the correlation
[19:43] <SiDi> im not :P
[19:43] <dashua> Between those two themes
[19:46] <SiDi> can you give me an url ?
[19:46] <SiDi> i cant find it x_x
[19:46] <dashua> I just pushed xfwm4 to Alvaro
[19:47] <dashua> Can you test it?
[19:47] <SiDi> im using it atm :D
[19:47] <dashua> Ok, just wanted to make sure the source added ok
[19:47] <SiDi> If you put it on the web, say in the changelog that not all the buttons are done tho. I couldn't find inspiration for the stick/shad buttons
[19:48] <dashua> Ok
[19:48] <SiDi> and when you make metacity themes, do _not_ hesitate to make more buttons hehe ;p
[19:48] <dashua> Ha, alright
[19:48] <dashua> That metacity is not done. The outer frame needs some work
[19:48] <SiDi> esp. the circle (sticky for xfwm) and line+arrow up/down (shadow toggled/not toggled)
[19:49] <SiDi> It's quite sexy already
[19:49] <SiDi> and the buttons rock :P
[19:49] <SiDi> i'll see later if i can make a sticky and shadow button for this one
[19:49] <dashua> Thx.  If you zoom in with Compiz you'll see what I'm talking about.
[19:49] <dashua> It's because I rounded the corners
[19:50]  * SiDi doesn't use compiz :P It doesnt support xfwm yet.
[19:51] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145
[19:51] <SiDi> heh ubuntu-art :) i was looking on gnome-look and couldnt find it x_x
[19:52] <dashua> SiDi: Can you email the Hanso xfmw4 ?
[19:52] <dashua> I'll commit it
[19:52] <dashua> I lost it =/
[19:56] <SiDi> sure
[19:56] <SiDi> oh btw dashua i'm not sure alvaro appears in gnome-look
[19:57] <dashua> Really?
[19:57] <dashua> They all usually sync
[19:58] <SiDi> aaw, bandwidth is slow ;x the hanso mail is sent btw
[19:58] <dashua> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Alvaro?content=104145
[19:58] <dashua> Thx
[19:59] <SiDi> oh, also, the text in the progress bars is white with alvaro
[19:59] <SiDi> i'm not sure thats very readable ^^
[20:01] <dashua> Ok
[20:02] <SiDi> About time : http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=104246
[20:02] <SiDi> Took me several minutes of loading :D
[20:02] <dashua> Wow
[20:02] <dashua> They are all lagging pretty decent today
[20:04] <SiDi> It's me actually :D
[20:06] <dashua> Slow here too
[20:07] <dashua> The new Breathe navigation icons look really good on top of Hanso's toolbar
[20:07] <dashua> Really stand out
[20:07] <dashua> Contrast very well
[20:08] <SiDi> i dont have them yet
[20:08] <SiDi> i got the PPA but _MMA_ didn't make a package for a while
[20:09] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13608/ screenshot_030_32L0aP.png
[20:09] <dashua> I have the package.  Send if you want it?
[20:10] <dashua> 2 mb
[20:10] <SiDi> Sure :D
[20:10] <SiDi> oh btw thanks but the image link problem is fixed :P dont bother with cutting uris anymore
[20:11] <dashua> Ah good
[20:12] <SiDi> hm yeh it looks great
[20:13] <SiDi> (but i think it'd look even better if the light was coming from up ^^)
[20:14] <SiDi> Thanks dashua, got the deb
[20:14] <dashua> Np
[20:14] <SiDi> climbed at 400 kB/s with a download manager ^^
[20:14] <dashua> Hanso xfwm4 committed to Hanso :)
[20:14] <SiDi> wee :)
[20:15] <SiDi> btw i'll probably improve the hanso xfwm this week-end
[20:15] <dashua> Awesome, just email me the changes
[20:16] <dashua> Maybe I'll register a project for the new themes and you can work on them as well?
[20:16] <dashua> Merge the junk into a project
[20:18] <SiDi> Sure ;)
[20:18] <SiDi> i'll be the xfce QA tester :P
[20:19] <dashua> Yeah, that'll work :)
[20:28] <dashua> Sorry, new crack for Nvidia beta drivers
[20:28] <SiDi> :p
[20:29] <dashua> My Dell Mini is listed still "In Production".  I wonder if the order is foobarred?
[20:29] <dashua> That's a long time.
[20:30] <dashua> Maybe they were inundated with orders, which is probably the case at $199
[20:30] <SiDi> those mini at 200$ with ubuntu ?
[20:30] <SiDi> thats more than a good offer imo :P
[20:30] <SiDi> if i hadn't bought a laptop 5 months ago i'd have imported one to france
[20:30] <dashua> Yeah
[20:31] <dashua> I'm going to jack the ram up to 2 gig and add a 64 ssd
[20:31] <dashua> Maybe even dual-boot OSX just because it works ;)
[20:31] <SiDi> meeh :p
[20:32] <SiDi> hm i'll have to make a "desktop" icon with my wallpaper ^^
[20:34] <dashua> I'm going to have to try new steppers for Hanso.  OOo is a bitch.
[20:34] <dashua> Bah
[20:34] <SiDi> OOo *never* looks fine
[20:34] <SiDi> they should really review their interface
[20:34] <dashua> Shit is always reversed
[20:35] <dashua> I might have to keep them.  They integrate well in most every other app
[20:35] <dashua> You were right, the darker one are very nice but can be obtrusive at times
[20:35] <dashua> ones*
[20:37] <SiDi> You can't fight OOo's steppers :p
[20:37] <SiDi> same with filezilla
[20:38] <SiDi> they claim its the themes but actually the thing they build their UI on isn't fully compliant
[20:38] <dashua> Yeah
[20:39] <dashua> How do you like Breathe?
[20:39] <SiDi> That's hard to say
[20:39] <SiDi> i've been using it for about 2 months now, instead of human
[20:39] <SiDi> some icons are damn sexy with a lot of details
[20:40] <SiDi> but there are some that i dont like :/
[20:40] <SiDi> like the one used by the xfce4-places-plugin, its too orange, it doesnt look nice with a blue theme
[20:40] <dashua> Once it's complete, I think it'll be great
[20:40] <SiDi> i hope so :P
[20:46] <SiDi> dashua: isnt there a rendering problem with the 'left' icon of breathe ?
[20:46] <SiDi> it looks bigger than the others :/
[20:47] <dashua> I think that may be intentional.
[20:48] <SiDi> I think i'll keep the human navigation icons then ^^
[20:49] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/13611/screenshot_031_WGqJRb.png
[20:50] <dashua> This is an issue.
[21:48] <SiDi> dashua: ping ?
[21:51] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/165692/ Added this in Alvaro
[21:57] <SiDi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/165696/ ^
[22:01] <SiDi> dashua: i also changed the selected_fg_color to #333, except for style "menu-item" = "dark" for which i turned them back to #fff
[22:01] <SiDi> text on progress bars and selected text is easier to read with that