| nhandler | james_w: Are you going to send out the minutes? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| james_w | I shall | 00:00 |
| nhandler | Thanks | 00:00 |
| james_w | thanks everyone | 00:00 |
| * Vantrax waves to all | 00:00 | |
| james_w | #endmeeting | 00:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:00. | 00:00 |
| james_w | all yours BT! | 00:00 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: Do you want to chair or should I? | 00:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | thanks guys | 00:00 |
| bodhi_zazen | I shall nhandler | 00:00 |
| nhandler | ;) | 00:00 |
| * bodhi_zazen feels the need to assert authority :) | 00:01 | |
| Hellow | Meeting time? | 00:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | #startmeeting | 00:01 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is bodhi_zazen. | 00:01 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 00:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | Welcome everyone | 00:01 |
| jamesrfla | Hi bodhi_zazen | 00:01 |
| Bodsda | Morning people | 00:01 |
| bgs100 | Hi bodhi_zazen | 00:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:01 |
| Hellow | afternoon peoples | 00:01 |
| bodhi_zazen | We have a full schedule so please read ahead | 00:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | ready Rocket2DMn ? | 00:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Mailing list | 00:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mailing list | 00:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | Yeah | 00:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | Just as a followup to a decision made earlier, everybody needs to be on the mailing list, or you will lose voice | 00:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | AFAIK, saj and overdrank are the only two not on the list now | 00:03 |
| Rocket2DMn | saj apparently said he would get on later this week, so we just need to talk to OD | 00:03 |
| nhandler | Has anyone seen overdrank recently? | 00:03 |
| jamesrfla | nope | 00:04 |
| PartyBoi2 | not for awhile | 00:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | no, havent seen him around, just on the forums occassionally | 00:04 |
| Bodsda | no | 00:04 |
| thewrath | no, only when he said he would sign up alter on in the week | 00:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | How about if we send out an email to the 2 MIA with a 30 day deadline ? | 00:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | howabout just before the next meeting bodhi_zazen | 00:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's 2 weeks, right? | 00:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | 2 weeks is too short , IMO | 00:04 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: I think overdrank is the only one we need to send an email | 00:04 |
| sdennie | Either way works for me | 00:04 |
| bodhi_zazen | some people have things come up | 00:04 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, 30 days then | 00:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | you want to email overdrank bodhi_zazen ? | 00:05 |
| sdennie | It's a trivial thing to do | 00:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well, email helps document nhandler | 00:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | I shall | 00:05 |
| Rocket2DMn | Thanks, that is all for this topic i believe | 00:05 |
| bodhi_zazen | anyone want to vote ? | 00:05 |
| nhandler | I don't think a vote is necessary. I think we [AGREE] | 00:06 |
| ds305 | I vote not to vote. | 00:06 |
| sdennie | Naaa | 00:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ACTION] email with 30 day notice | 00:06 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: email with 30 day notice | 00:06 |
| sdennie | 0 | 00:06 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Ubuntu newsletter | 00:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu newsletter | 00:06 |
| nhandler | I'm up | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | Team reporting looks great nhandler | 00:07 |
| nhandler | I talked to the UWN editors, they said that they would be wiling to include a blurb about the UFBT after our meetings | 00:07 |
| cprofitt | I agree with the process nhandler | 00:07 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think we need someone to lead that project up , probably should be me ? | 00:07 |
| cprofitt | and the UWN editors are very nice | 00:07 |
| cprofitt | to work with | 00:07 |
| nhandler | I have been getting involved with the UWN lately bodhi_zazen, so I can act as a liason | 00:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | what do we need to do nhandler ? | 00:08 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: The Team Reporting link explains how to handle it | 00:08 |
| nhandler | If you want, I can demonstrate after this meeting | 00:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | link here for logs please nhandler :) | 00:08 |
| bgs100 | What is the Ubuntu Newsletter? | 00:08 |
| cprofitt | I also have a pretty good relationship with Tyche and JohnC | 00:08 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting | 00:08 |
| nhandler | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter | 00:09 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, let up proceed with it then | 00:09 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter | 00:09 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter | 00:09 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting | 00:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting | 00:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ACTION] Proceed with Team Reporting | 00:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Proceed with Team Reporting | 00:10 |
| jgoguen | what's the link to our team report? | 00:10 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReport | 00:10 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReport | 00:10 |
| sdennie | Haha | 00:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | [IDEA] I think we need to include the Education FG on that as the Moodle site has the highest visibility right now | 00:10 |
| MootBot | IDEA received: I think we need to include the Education FG on that as the Moodle site has the highest visibility right now | 00:10 |
| bodhi_zazen | any other comments ? | 00:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | thanks for making that nhandler , we'll add it to our linkbar at the top | 00:11 |
| nhandler | I agree bodhi_zazen, all FGs should be included in the team report. They are part of the team after all | 00:11 |
| nhandler | Thanks Rocket2DMn | 00:11 |
| thewrath | agreed | 00:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | [ACTION] Add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReport to the BT wiki navbar | 00:11 |
| sdennie | nhandler: Well, maybe not ALL groups... | 00:11 |
| * nhandler notes only the chair can use [ACTION] | 00:11 | |
| Rocket2DMn | oh, thanks | 00:11 |
| bodhi_zazen | Some teams are inactive, I think only major FG | 00:11 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think FGs should just post a subsection when appropriate | 00:12 |
| thewrath | what teams would be included? | 00:12 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: If the team has some important news, it should go there | 00:12 |
| nhandler | That was what I was thinking RoAkSoAx | 00:12 |
| nhandler | * Rocket2DMn | 00:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | I think Education, wiki, and "forums" | 00:12 |
| bgs100 | I have to go... | 00:12 |
| bgs100 | Wait, nevermind | 00:12 |
| bodhi_zazen | we can hammer out details over the next few weeks | 00:13 |
| sdennie | bodhi_zazen: Yes, those seem to be the most visible and interesting groups | 00:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | shall we move on ? | 00:13 |
| nhandler | Fine | 00:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] VOTING IN MEETINGS | 00:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: VOTING IN MEETINGS | 00:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | he he he | 00:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | capslockfailure | 00:13 |
| st33med | bodhi_zazen, lrn2pushcapslock | 00:13 |
| nhandler | We used to use VoteBot to restrict voting to BT members. Now that we are in #ubuntu-meeting, that is no longer possible | 00:13 |
| bodhi_zazen | nhandler raises a good point | 00:13 |
| Hellow | o/ | 00:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | I think we should still keep it to members voting, people can't private vote so it's easy to disregard votes from non-members. | 00:14 |
| PartyBoi2 | It should be kept to members only, imo | 00:14 |
| jamesrfla | +1 I kind of brought it up... | 00:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 Rocket2DMn | 00:14 |
| st33med | Private Message Voting. | 00:14 |
| cprofitt | we can ask to have VoteBot allowed.... in here. | 00:14 |
| Vantrax | o/ | 00:14 |
| ds305 | Stongly feel only members can vote. Accounting is something that can be done with penci/paper if necessary until automation returns. | 00:14 |
| * zu22 concurs members-only | 00:14 | |
| Snova | cprofitt: Yes, but it works based on voice, I think. | 00:14 |
| bodhi_zazen | go Hellow and Vantrax | 00:14 |
| * Bodsda agrees, members only | 00:14 | |
| nhandler | I could hard code some settings into VoteBot to make it look in #ubuntuforums-beginners to determine members | 00:14 |
| st33med | We can set up VoteBot to accept votes via PM | 00:15 |
| Vantrax | Voting should still be possible just by messaging votebot, even if its not in here | 00:15 |
| nhandler | It already does st33med | 00:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | st33med, votebot already does accept private votes | 00:15 |
| Hellow | I was going to suggest voting by PM XD | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | we can vote in #ubuntuforums-beginners | 00:15 |
| cprofitt | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | which would solve the "problem" | 00:15 |
| cprofitt | was just typing that out | 00:15 |
| st33med | +1 | 00:15 |
| nhandler | It sounds like the team still wants member voting | 00:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | that is true bodhi_zazen , and we can just say the results here | 00:15 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: I don't think it solves the problem | 00:15 |
| PartyBoi2 | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:15 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:15 |
| Joeb454 | it creates a fix, definitely | 00:15 |
| Joeb454 | but not solve | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | why not Joeb454 ? | 00:15 |
| nhandler | I might be able to code something that would allow us to hold the vote in here, but use #ubuntuforum-beginners to determine members | 00:15 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't have a problem using MootBot though, it seems more responsive to me | 00:15 |
| bodhi_zazen | and who asked you ? | 00:15 |
| Joeb454 | it just seems a hassle | 00:16 |
| Hellow | Perhaps we can have a dedicated vote bot with a database of members, and it allows only those people in the database to vote? | 00:16 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: :| | 00:16 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: Mootbot is open to all users | 00:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | :) | 00:16 |
| jamesrfla | lol Rocket2DMn | 00:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | nhandler, yeah, but we can see the votes | 00:16 |
| sdennie | nhandler: I'm sure you could | 00:16 |
| jamesrfla | we all know votebot has lag. Rocket2DMn brings up a good point | 00:16 |
| cprofitt | how do other teams handle votes in this channel? | 00:16 |
| Bodsda | nhandler: could you not have a list coded into votebot of voiced members in #ubntuforums-beginners then check each vote in here against that list? | 00:16 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: But that means we need to manually count the votes and verify non-members did not vote | 00:16 |
| Snova | I think that's mostly because it echos all your votes back. | 00:16 |
| bodhi_zazen | how about if we use #ubuntuforums-beginners for voting until we have a better solution | 00:16 |
| st33med | I could potentially modify my bot to accept votes | 00:16 |
| sdennie | Snova: It is | 00:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | nhandler, if it came to that, i would support using VoteBot, but I don't see it being a problem | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | alternate would be mootbot until there is a problem | 00:17 |
| st33med | It's much faster and no lag | 00:17 |
| nhandler | I should be able to get VoteBot working by the next meeting | 00:17 |
| cprofitt | perhaps we should ask some of the other teams that use this channel | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | st33med: NO MORE BOTS :) | 00:17 |
| st33med | bodhi_zazen, no, I mean 'replace' | 00:17 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: Other teams simply use MootBot since the meetings are open | 00:17 |
| st33med | :) | 00:17 |
| cprofitt | k | 00:17 |
| Snova | st33med: Votebot itself is not laggy, it just has the annoying "feature" of echoing all your votes back. | 00:17 |
| Joeb454 | cprofitt: I think they get non-members to then vote -1 to get the count back to what it should be | 00:17 |
| * Hellow echoes his prior suggestion | 00:17 | |
| bodhi_zazen | Shall we vote ? | 00:17 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 = use mootbot | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | -1 = use votebot in #uf-b | 00:18 |
| st33med | What happened to yea or nay? | 00:18 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: HOW DO WE VOTE ;) | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | [VOTE] Mootbot ? | 00:18 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Mootbot ?. | 00:18 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:18 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:18 |
| st33med | ;) | 00:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:18 |
| sdennie | 0 | 00:18 |
| st33med | -1 | 00:18 |
| jamesrfla | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from st33med. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0 | 00:18 |
| PartyBoi2 | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from jamesrfla. 1 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1 | 00:18 |
| Bodsda | where are we voting? | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from PartyBoi2. 1 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:18 |
| Vantrax | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Vantrax. 1 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:18 |
| Bodsda | oh here | 00:18 |
| Joeb454 | +1 | 00:18 |
| jgoguen | -1 | 00:18 |
| zu22 | -1 | 00:18 |
| Bodsda | -1 | 00:18 |
| Hellow | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Joeb454. 2 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2 | 00:18 |
| nhandler | -1 | 00:18 |
| duanedes1gn | _1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from jgoguen. 2 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -3 | 00:18 |
| cprofitt | +0 | 00:18 |
| duanedes1gn | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from zu22. 2 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -4 | 00:18 |
| Hellow | lol | 00:18 |
| ds305 | -1 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Bodsda. 2 for, 7 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -5 | 00:18 |
| bodhi_zazen | 0 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Hellow. 2 for, 8 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -6 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 9 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -7 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from cprofitt. 2 for, 9 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -7 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from duanedes1gn. 2 for, 10 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -8 | 00:18 |
| MootBot | -1 received from ds305. 2 for, 11 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -9 | 00:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi_zazen, you have to use a + | 00:18 |
| st33med | lawl | 00:18 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: you need a + | 00:19 |
| Hellow | win | 00:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | +0 | 00:19 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 2 for, 11 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -9 | 00:19 |
| sdennie | +0 | 00:19 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from sdennie. 2 for, 11 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -9 | 00:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | [VOTE] | 00:19 |
| MootBot | bodhi_zazen, Either there isn't a meeting in progress, or there is already an active vote. | 00:19 |
| st33med | :\ | 00:19 |
| bgs100 | +0 | 00:19 |
| jamesrfla | ? | 00:19 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bgs100. 2 for, 11 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now -9 | 00:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | LOL | 00:19 |
| Snova | MootBot is echoing things as well... but it's not lagging nearly as bad... | 00:19 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: [ENDVOTE] | 00:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ENDVOTE] | 00:19 |
| MootBot | Final result is 2 for, 11 against. 4 abstained. Total: -9 | 00:19 |
| nhandler | Snova: VoteBot needs threading | 00:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol, I got rocked | 00:19 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK Votebot for now then >:) | 00:19 |
| zu22 | votebot ftw! | 00:20 |
| st33med | bodhi_zazen, I am saying that I want to replace VoteBot with my codebase | 00:20 |
| * bodhi_zazen likes mootbot, can we do that again ? | 00:20 | |
| jamesrfla | go lagy votebot | 00:20 |
| nhandler | At one point, ibuclaw was playing around with adding threading support | 00:20 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: the total still would've been -8 | 00:20 |
| sdennie | I think Votebot just needs it's throttling turned off. | 00:20 |
| ds305 | bodhi_zazen: Mootbot couldn't even rig it's own election! | 00:20 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] IRC Policies | 00:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: IRC Policies | 00:20 |
| st33med | It's multithreaded and can handle a lot of messages at once | 00:20 |
| thewrath | I guess it is my turn | 00:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | thewrath: you here :) | 00:21 |
| thewrath | yes sir | 00:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | go :) | 00:21 |
| thewrath | Over the past week I have seen and heard issues in the bt channel. Last night was the end of the line. I believe many of us where in the room. I read about it. I wanted to remind everyone that we are an official ubuntu channel | 00:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | I too see bad behavior on the channel | 00:21 |
| bodhi_zazen | we have discussed this b4 | 00:22 |
| thewrath | I also propose some kind of reprocution if a member is foudn to do this | 00:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/IRC | 00:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/IRC | 00:22 |
| thewrath | bodhi_zazen: i bring it up after last nights incidents | 00:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | complaints to mailing list with SHORT logs please | 00:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | to be handled by council | 00:22 |
| Bodsda | o/ | 00:22 |
| Joeb454 | o/ | 00:22 |
| ibuclaw | at some point, I may merge/edit and push my branch, but the current codebase nhandler has is huge. | 00:22 |
| st33med | \\o | 00:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | Bodsda: | 00:22 |
| Bodsda | is the mailing list really the best place to discuss a bt members bad behaviour, should it not be private? | 00:22 |
| bodhi_zazen | I would like to remind everyone to behave | 00:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | Not if it occurs in the main channel Bodsda | 00:23 |
| zu22 | o/ | 00:23 |
| nhandler | Bodsda: Depending on the nature, either send it to the BT Council mailing list or post it in ##beginners-council | 00:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | the council will discuss it in private | 00:23 |
| Bodsda | nhandler: and if it is a problem with a council member? | 00:23 |
| Vantrax | Bodsda: then to Bodhi directly | 00:23 |
| bodhi_zazen | Well if a council member acts out I will kick ass :) | 00:23 |
| Bodsda | fair play -- cheers for the clarification | 00:24 |
| sdennie | Bodsda: Burn them! | 00:24 |
| Hellow | lol | 00:24 |
| jamesrfla | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:24 |
| st33med | :D | 00:24 |
| * nhandler hopes it does not come to that | 00:24 | |
| Hellow | BANHAMMER | 00:24 |
| Bodsda | +1 nhandler | 00:24 |
| Joeb454 | bodhi_zazen: I would say that in general, the council wouldn't discuss behaviour via the mailing list, rather via the IRC channel | 00:24 |
| Joeb454 | sorry, I have epic lag | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 Joeb454 | 00:24 |
| zu22 | o/ | 00:24 |
| thewrath | o/ | 00:24 |
| st33med | What happened to beginner's council? | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | complaints via mailing list, discussion in private | 00:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi_zazen, should I update the BT/IRC page to include info about contacting the council? | 00:24 |
| bodhi_zazen | we banned you st33med | 00:24 |
| st33med | D: | 00:24 |
| Joeb454 | Rocket2DMn: I think so | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | sure | 00:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | that is to say, i would update with info about what to do with complains or problems | 00:25 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: Maybe a separate Council wiki page would be best | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | 0/ | 00:25 |
| Joeb454 | also, thewrath in regards to IRC behaviour, I have updated VoteBot's !ops factoid to display the correct list of ops (it's quite large) | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ACTION]Complaints to bt mailing list, discussion in private | 00:25 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Complaints to bt mailing list, discussion in private | 00:25 |
| zu22 | o/ | 00:25 |
| bodhi_zazen | go zul | 00:25 |
| thewrath | +1 Joeb454 | 00:25 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: BT Council mailing list, not BT list | 00:25 |
| zu22 | the ip of someone who was in #uf-bt scanned my machine for open ports, should i have reported this to anyone? it wasn't a BT member | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | I would also like to recommend using +m to calm things down if it is non-voiced folks acting up | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | zu22: lol | 00:26 |
| Hellow | D: | 00:26 |
| bgs100 | cprofitt, but that even silences those who (don't have voice and) were not acting up | 00:26 |
| sdennie | cprofitt: I like that idea | 00:26 |
| bodhi_zazen | zu22: Well, we really do not have jurisdiction on that kind of thing | 00:26 |
| jamesrfla | zu22: that happened to me and it was a Ubuntu forum beginners team member | 00:27 |
| thewrath | o/ | 00:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | If you feel harassed, mailing list or e mail me | 00:27 |
| cprofitt | bgs100, you are correct... but people evading bans find it not fun when they have no voice | 00:27 |
| zu22 | bodhi_zazen: oh ok, just wonder what steps i should take | 00:27 |
| zu22 | jamesrfla: ah i see | 00:27 |
| Joeb454 | bgs100: we could temporarily voice the members that need to be if it comes to that | 00:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 johnc4510 | 00:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | lol | 00:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | servers johnc4510 for hanging here | 00:27 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 Joeb454 | 00:27 |
| bgs100 | 1+ Joeb454 | 00:27 |
| Vantrax | epic tab fail in this channel | 00:27 |
| zu22 | /msg hellow +1 | 00:28 |
| zu22 | oops | 00:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | thewrath: just speak so long as it is on topic | 00:28 |
| Bodsda | fail | 00:28 |
| thewrath | okay bodhi_zazen | 00:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | any further comments on irc behavior ? | 00:28 |
| bodhi_zazen | I am *trying* to keep the channel a sfriendly and relaxed as possible | 00:29 |
| sdennie | I have a comment | 00:29 |
| bodhi_zazen | do what you want so long as we do not receive complaints :) | 00:29 |
| duanedes1gn | bodhi_zazen: +1 | 00:29 |
| jamesrfla | o/ | 00:29 |
| Bodsda | o/ | 00:29 |
| thewrath | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | within the CoC of course | 00:29 |
| duanedes1gn | Rocket2DMn: absoloutely | 00:30 |
| sdennie | I think we should be open but not crazy in our censorship. | 00:30 |
| Vantrax | and all BT members should have signed the CoC | 00:30 |
| Bodsda | REMINDER: Bad/Vulgar language is not 'really' appropriate | 00:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | Off topic comments -> table until agenda items are covered | 00:30 |
| jamesrfla | bodhi_zazen: maybe we should create like a ubuntu forums beginners team club channel were the team can hang out and not have to worry about this problem | 00:30 |
| cprofitt | I would think ghetto language also does not fit | 00:30 |
| paultag | jamesrfla, -1 | 00:30 |
| Bodsda | jamesrfla: create yet another room? | 00:30 |
| Hellow | oh god | 00:30 |
| bodhi_zazen | -1 we have too many channels already | 00:30 |
| paultag | jamesrfla, bad behavior is not tolerated anywhere | 00:30 |
| jamesrfla | just a idea | 00:30 |
| Hellow | -1 | 00:31 |
| paultag | Sorry I am late | 00:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | additional comments :) | 00:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | and +1 sdennie | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | bodhi_zazen: did you need me? | 00:31 |
| cprofitt | having mock fights and other foolishness is not good either | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | saw you mentioned me | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | with a +1 | 00:31 |
| nhandler | Nope johnc4510, tab failure | 00:31 |
| sdennie | cprofitt: Agreed | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | ah | 00:31 |
| cprofitt | it was tab failure johnc4510 | 00:31 |
| paultag | o/ | 00:31 |
| bodhi_zazen | no johnc4510 , tab failure, sorry | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | cool | 00:31 |
| Hellow | Basically, be mature and respectful and we will have no problems | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | thought i was being volunteered hee hee | 00:31 |
| cprofitt | hello by the way johnc4510 | 00:31 |
| johnc4510 | later | 00:31 |
| Bodsda | bye | 00:32 |
| paultag | o/ | 00:32 |
| johnc4510 | cprofitt: hey | 00:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | paultag: just go ahead so long as it is on topic | 00:32 |
| cprofitt | one other thought -- if a Jedi Knight goes OP | 00:32 |
| paultag | I think we need to moderate a little more tightly in the chan. We are having a lot of issues lately. I know Rocket2DMn will hate me for this, but I think we need to give IRC FG a bit more leway with moderation. | 00:32 |
| cprofitt | everyone should reflect on their behavior and calm down | 00:32 |
| cprofitt | none of us like taking out the kick/ban stick | 00:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | yes paultag | 00:32 |
| paultag | It is out of hand | 00:32 |
| bodhi_zazen | report issues on mailing list please | 00:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | and I agree, especially at "off hours" | 00:33 |
| thewrath | o/ | 00:33 |
| jamesrfla | I haven't seen any of this behavoir but if I do see it should I just bring it up with the cousil? | 00:33 |
| paultag | on that note I need to go :P | 00:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | mailing list james | 00:33 |
| Hellow | bye paultag | 00:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, focus groups ? | 00:33 |
| bodhi_zazen | then elections | 00:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Education FG | 00:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Education FG | 00:34 |
| zu22 | o/ | 00:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | cprofitt: :) | 00:34 |
| cprofitt | ? | 00:34 |
| cprofitt | this was on the agenda? | 00:34 |
| jamesrfla | ? | 00:34 |
| bodhi_zazen | anything on educatino ? | 00:34 |
| Hellow | ..it was? | 00:34 |
| * cprofitt looks for notes | 00:34 | |
| Vantrax | who put it there? | 00:34 |
| * jamesrfla didn't see it in agenda | 00:34 | |
| * Hellow looks | 00:35 | |
| Vantrax | not there:P | 00:35 |
| Bodsda | cprofitt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings#FG%20Leader%20Nominations | 00:35 |
| PartyBoi2 | it's not there lol | 00:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | if you have an on topic comment, feel free, otherwise hold to end of meetign | 00:35 |
| zu22 | My idea for Education FG is to print BT bumber stickers and t-shirts and sell them. And the profits go into a fund we use to advertize Ubuntu. | 00:35 |
| st33med | ... That's not educational | 00:35 |
| Bodsda | zu22: read the post above yours | 00:35 |
| Bodsda | :) | 00:35 |
| zu22 | Bodsda: ok | 00:35 |
| Bodsda | nice idea though | 00:35 |
| cprofitt | Um... the education team is involved in a project... | 00:35 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, as I am sure everyone knows, I (we) are in process of throwing up a moodle site | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | the project is called the Ubuntu Community Learning Project | 00:36 |
| st33med | Ooooh | 00:36 |
| bgs100 | moodle? | 00:36 |
| bodhi_zazen | we have broad and ever growing support :) | 00:36 |
| bgs100 | What's that? | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | it involves using Moodle to tie together existing content | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | to make courses | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | We gave a session during open week | 00:36 |
| cprofitt | and are preparing to present the idea to the CC | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:37 |
| bodhi_zazen | [LINK]https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning | 00:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning | 00:37 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning | 00:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-learning | 00:37 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:37 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:37 |
| cprofitt | I think that is about all... Vantrax anything to add? | 00:38 |
| sdennie | That's a lot of links | 00:38 |
| bodhi_zazen | We will likely present to the CC on June 2nd - so I will of course be demanding your presence and suport :) | 00:38 |
| Vantrax | not really, ill make a point of looking at the items on the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning | 00:38 |
| cprofitt | I would like to thank bodhi_zazen Vantrax and pleia2 for their efforts... | 00:38 |
| Vantrax | were looking for everyone to contribute on what they want covered. | 00:38 |
| thewrath | o/ | 00:38 |
| ibuclaw | Vantrax, awesome ;) | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | I purchased a server and colocation, am open to contributions / assistance with sys admin, etc | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | go ahead thewrath | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | I will likely offer VPS to BT members as I posted on our MAILING LIST | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | yeah bodhi_zazen is putting REAL money in to this endeavor | 00:39 |
| cprofitt | he deserves major mojo and thanks | 00:39 |
| st33med | Not e-money? | 00:39 |
| bodhi_zazen | no, no, no, please no :) | 00:39 |
| Bodsda | monopoly-cash? | 00:39 |
| st33med | Canadian money? | 00:40 |
| st33med | Euros? | 00:40 |
| jgoguen | st33med: hey! :P | 00:40 |
| st33med | :P | 00:40 |
| thewrath | i will contribute the tutorials i have made into courses for that just an fyi i guess | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Wiki team ? | 00:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Wiki team ? | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah hey | 00:40 |
| bodhi_zazen | Rocket2DMn: you are up | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | the Wiki FG will be holding a meeting immediately following this team meeting. | 00:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | I was planning on having it in the team channel, but if that is too busy, we could go to #ubuntu-doc | 00:41 |
| bgs100 | g2g | 00:41 |
| bgs100 | storm | 00:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | All Wiki FG members should be in that channel anyway | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | Sweet :) | 00:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | anybody else interested in contributing to documentation should talk to me | 00:41 |
| bgs100 | nvm | 00:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | that is all | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | Wiki of course feeds into community learning | 00:41 |
| bodhi_zazen | and work on forums as well | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | I even contributed to the wiki , so please assist if you have an interest in documentation | 00:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | ill be calling on you to help with wiki later bodhi_zazen :) there are pages that could use your expertise | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | Any other FG want to report in ? | 00:42 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK Rocket2DMn :) | 00:43 |
| nhandler | LP is fine | 00:43 |
| st33med | Where are these stickers coming in? | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | if there are no other FG to report in -- Elections ? | 00:43 |
| * cprofitt nods to elections | 00:43 | |
| Joeb454 | sounds good | 00:43 |
| bodhi_zazen | To be honest , we have exactly what we need on the wiki page , no ? | 00:44 |
| st33med | I elect Joeb454 to be Vice Buddhist | 00:44 |
| * Joeb454 will not be standing again for IRC, I didn't even notice my name up there | 00:44 | |
| Rocket2DMn | we have 15 minutes left guys | 00:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | shall we just vote to accept all members en mass ? | 00:44 |
| Vantrax | lol | 00:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | or do you want to vote on each ? | 00:44 |
| Vantrax | who do we have? | 00:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings | 00:44 |
| bodhi_zazen | scroll down a bit | 00:44 |
| cprofitt | I think we need to vote on each and have the nominees agree that they are willing to serve | 00:45 |
| nhandler | We have a US Teams meeting in here after us, so we need to be done on time | 00:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | we only have 2, lets just do them individually | 00:45 |
| duanedes1gn | Ash_R is not here? | 00:45 |
| cprofitt | as noted Joeb454 just said he would not be | 00:45 |
| * sdennie is glad to not be the leader of a FG. (Or is he?!) | 00:45 | |
| Bodsda | duanedes1gn: no, he is working | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | Rocket2DMn: we have 9 | 00:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh youre talking about FGs bodhi_zazen ? | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC] Vote on FG Leads | 00:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Vote on FG Leads | 00:45 |
| Vantrax | oh | 00:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh ok, are there even any competitors? | 00:45 |
| bodhi_zazen | sorry , me bad | 00:45 |
| Vantrax | im assuming everyone is planning on staying? | 00:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | no, these have left their competition behind | 00:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | lol | 00:46 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, Joeb454 expressed not wanting too | 00:46 |
| * nhandler would be glad to have someone replace him | 00:46 | |
| nhandler | (or volunteer to co-lead) | 00:46 |
| Joeb454 | I would postpone it until the next meeting, so we can have time to discuss it porperly | 00:46 |
| Vantrax | anyone up for replacing either of them, or co lead | 00:46 |
| jamesrfla | replace who? | 00:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | [VOTE] Accept all 9 nominations for FG leads | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Accept all 9 nominations for FG leads. | 00:46 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:46 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:46 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:46 |
| st33med | Joeb454, we already postponed it once :) | 00:46 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:46 |
| nhandler | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:47 |
| PartyBoi2 | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from PartyBoi2. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:47 |
| swoody_ | +1 | 00:47 |
| jamesrfla | +1 I guess | 00:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody_. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| Vantrax | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Vantrax. 4 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | Joeb454: we have been discussing it for some time :) | 00:47 |
| bgs100 | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from bgs100. 4 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| Bodsda | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Bodsda. 4 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| sdennie | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from sdennie. 4 for, 0 against. 6 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| st33med | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from st33med. 4 for, 0 against. 7 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| ds305 | +2 | 00:47 |
| duanedes1gn | +0 | 00:47 |
| Joeb454 | nhandler: replace who? | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from duanedes1gn. 4 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| Hellow | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Hellow. 4 for, 0 against. 9 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| ds305 | +1 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ds305. 5 for, 0 against. 9 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:47 |
| cprofitt | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from cprofitt. 5 for, 0 against. 10 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:47 |
| Joeb454 | -1 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | -1 received from Joeb454. 5 for, 1 against. 10 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| zu22 | +0 | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from zu22. 5 for, 1 against. 11 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:47 |
| nhandler | Joeb454: I think he was talking about you and me | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ENDVOTE] | 00:47 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 1 against. 11 abstained. Total: 4 | 00:47 |
| sdennie | I think the FG leads should be a separate meeting | 00:47 |
| bodhi_zazen | 11 Abstained , lol | 00:48 |
| Vantrax | i agree sdennie | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | I think we need to have a sep. meeting with time to discuss | 00:48 |
| swoody_ | sdennie +1 | 00:48 |
| PartyBoi2 | +1 sdennie | 00:48 |
| Joeb454 | nhandler: I wouldn't mind somebody replacing me | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | I think the 11 abstained count indicated that | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, FG leads next meeting then | 00:48 |
| nhandler | New members? | 00:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | ok, lets do our two padawans | 00:48 |
| cprofitt | we should ask everyone nominated to remove their names if they are not interested | 00:48 |
| Bodsda | thewrath is the only one | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | Wait - BUT I really do not want to put FG leads off beyond that | 00:48 |
| bodhi_zazen | we have been discussing FG leads for some time now | 00:49 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: We only decided to hold an election at the last BT Council meeting | 00:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | [TOPIC]New Members | 00:49 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New Members | 00:49 |
| cprofitt | bodhi_zazen, we could take the FG vote to our channel immediately after this | 00:49 |
| cprofitt | so we have time | 00:49 |
| Hellow | 10 mins | 00:49 |
| Vantrax | cprofitt: +1 | 00:49 |
| sdennie | bodhi_zazen: I almost think it's a big enough subject that it should have it's own meeting. | 00:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | thewrath: | 00:49 |
| bodhi_zazen | you are up :) | 00:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | thewrath, can you tell us your wiki page? | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | sdennie: I am OK with that so long as : | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | 1. People show up | 00:50 |
| nhandler | +1 sdennie | 00:50 |
| thewrath | ok hold on | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | 2. We make progess | 00:50 |
| thewrath | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/thewrath | 00:50 |
| bodhi_zazen | comments from nhandler ? | 00:50 |
| nhandler | I would just like to say that thewrath has really done a great job of interacting with the team in the month or so that he has been around | 00:51 |
| nhandler | I think he would make a great addition | 00:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | ufw has a gui interface thewrath = gufw | 00:51 |
| thewrath | yes that is on my next plate to do tutorial for | 00:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | [VOTE] thewrath for membership | 00:51 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: thewrath for membership. | 00:51 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:51 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:51 |
| sdennie | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from sdennie. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:51 |
| nhandler | +1 | 00:51 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:51 |
| swoody_ | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody_. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:51 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:51 |
| bgs100 | +1 | 00:51 |
| ds305 | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Bodsda. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bgs100. 7 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:51 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:51 |
| Hellow | +1 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ds305. 8 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 9 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:51 |
| jgoguen | +1 | 00:51 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 10 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:52 |
| PartyBoi2 | +1 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Hellow. 11 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 11 | 00:52 |
| duanedes1gn | +1 | 00:52 |
| Vantrax | +1 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jgoguen. 12 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 12 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from zu22. 13 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 13 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from PartyBoi2. 14 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 14 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from duanedes1gn. 15 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 15 | 00:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Vantrax. 16 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 16 | 00:52 |
| zu22 | +1 | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ENDVOTE] | 00:52 |
| MootBot | Final result is 16 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 16 | 00:52 |
| Vantrax | lol zu22 dont vote twice:P | 00:52 |
| bgs100 | Wow | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | Welcome thewrath | 00:52 |
| duanedes1gn | wow | 00:52 |
| zu22 | lol sorry my session is lagging bad | 00:52 |
| Bodsda | Congrats thewrath | 00:52 |
| jamesrfla | Welcome thewrath | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | OK, last member | 00:52 |
| bgs100 | That was unanimous | 00:52 |
| Hellow | lol | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | Ash R | 00:52 |
| Bodsda | bodhi_zazen: he is not here | 00:52 |
| bodhi_zazen | neither of them could make it | 00:53 |
| Hellow | bodhi_zazen: What is his IRC nick? | 00:53 |
| Vantrax | we can vote with them absent | 00:53 |
| nhandler | thewrath: Be sure to send me your LP nick | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | both spoke to me b4 the meeting | 00:53 |
| thewrath | okay nhandler | 00:53 |
| duanedes1gn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ash%20R | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Anyone wish to speak on AshR ? | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | Thank you duanedes1gn | 00:53 |
| bodhi_zazen | IMO AshR has been awesome :) | 00:54 |
| Hellow | I barely know AshR | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:54 |
| swoody_ | bodhi_zazen +1 | 00:54 |
| Bodsda | I like the guy/girl -- +1 | 00:54 |
| ibuclaw | he's British, so he gets my vote :P | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | [VOTE] AshR for membership | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: AshR for membership. | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 00:54 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 00:54 |
| Vantrax | I havent really see ashr, seems nice tho | 00:54 |
| bodhi_zazen | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:54 |
| nhandler | +0 | 00:54 |
| PartyBoi2 | +1 | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from PartyBoi2. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:54 |
| Snova | +1 | 00:54 |
| ibuclaw | +1 | 00:54 |
| Hellow | +0 | 00:54 |
| Bodsda | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:54 |
| swoody_ | +1 | 00:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | +1 | 00:54 |
| jamesrfla | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Snova. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:54 |
| tim_sharitt | +1 | 00:54 |
| ds305 | +1 | 00:54 |
| Vantrax | +0 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ibuclaw. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Hellow. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:54 |
| jgoguen | +1 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Bodsda. 6 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from swoody_. 7 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 8 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 8 | 00:54 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jamesrfla. 9 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 9 | 00:54 |
| jamesrfla | Lag | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from tim_sharitt. 10 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 10 | 00:55 |
| duanedes1gn | +0 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from ds305. 11 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 11 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Vantrax. 11 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 11 | 00:55 |
| Joeb454 | WOW - 45s lag - I missed the entire vote | 00:55 |
| MootBot | +1 received from jgoguen. 12 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 12 | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from duanedes1gn. 12 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 12 | 00:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ENDVOTE] | 00:55 |
| MootBot | Final result is 12 for, 0 against. 4 abstained. Total: 12 | 00:55 |
| zu22 | +0 | 00:55 |
| zu22 | doh | 00:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | We have 5 minutes | 00:55 |
| jgoguen | lol | 00:55 |
| bgs100 | zu22, Fail | 00:55 |
| bodhi_zazen | Other issues ? | 00:55 |
| zu22 | bgs100: heh | 00:55 |
| * Bodsda thinks we should have a team song | 00:55 | |
| bodhi_zazen | Next meeting, 2 weeks | 00:55 |
| swoody_ | Bodsda +1 | 00:56 |
| cprofitt | shall we move the FG lead vote to our channel or table til next meeting? | 00:56 |
| Vantrax | bodhi_zazen: FG Lead in channel after? | 00:56 |
| nhandler | Sounds good bodhi_zazen. I'll update the calendars | 00:56 |
| bgs100 | Bodsda, ROFL | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | Agenda next meeting - FG leads ? | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | I do not think we should have an ad-hoc meeting on FG leads now | 00:56 |
| nhandler | +1 bodhi_zazen | 00:56 |
| Vantrax | everyone is here | 00:56 |
| cprofitt | ok... then table it until next time... that is fine with me... | 00:56 |
| bodhi_zazen | The wiki FG is meeting | 00:56 |
| Vantrax | ahh | 00:57 |
| Bodsda | right, im off to bed guys -- almost 1am here -- im +1 for listed fg leads and +0 for any changes | 00:57 |
| Vantrax | good point | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | and as people feel there was not enough discussion we need to set a time | 00:57 |
| zu22 | gtg cya | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | People are leaving after this meeting | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | see ^^ | 00:57 |
| bodhi_zazen | so, it is not "fair" to proceed IMO | 00:57 |
| Bodsda | guess i can stay for a sec | 00:57 |
| Rocket2DMn | we're basically out of time | 00:58 |
| jamesrfla | bodhi_zazen: might as well just end the meeting | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | Other issues ? | 00:58 |
| nhandler | Nope | 00:58 |
| * Bodsda still thinks we need a song | 00:58 | |
| bgs100 | Is the meeting officially over? | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | [ENDMEETING] | 00:58 |
| bodhi_zazen | I have 3 min left on my clock Rocket2DMn | 00:58 |
| swoody_ | bgs100-> now it is :) | 00:58 |
| nhandler | #endmeeting bodhi_zazen | 00:58 |
| * bgs100 takes that as a yes | 00:58 | |
| Rocket2DMn | i have 1 min left on mine | 00:58 |
| Hellow | i have two | 00:58 |
| Bodsda | 2 mins on mine | 00:58 |
| bgs100 | I have 2 also | 00:58 |
| swoody_ | two here | 00:58 |
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| bodhi_zazen | tis over now :) | 00:58 |
| Hellow | Lets use two minutes saying how much time we have left XD | 00:59 |
| Bodsda | no point in wasting the time | 00:59 |
| Bodsda | 1 | 00:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | no you need to #ENDMEETING i think bodhi_zazen | 00:59 |
| Hellow | 2 | 00:59 |
| nhandler | Rocket2DMn: I just said that ;) | 00:59 |
| Hellow | oh, 1 now | 00:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | i know nhandler , im just a copycat | 00:59 |
| bgs100 | 1 now too | 00:59 |
| Bodsda | finished :) | 01:00 |
| Bodsda | 01:00 | 01:00 |
| Bodsda | night guys | 01:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | bodhi_zazen, i dont think the meeting ended, the bot didnt say so | 01:00 |
| nhandler | bodhi_zazen: End the meeting | 01:00 |
| Hellow | bodhi_zazen: pring | 01:00 |
| Hellow | bodhi_zazen: L00K | 01:01 |
| cprofitt | yeah its #ENDMEETING | 01:01 |
| Vantrax | bodhi has to run it tho | 01:01 |
| Hellow | It didnt end it, I didnt see the bot respond | 01:01 |
| jamesrfla | +1 Hellow | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | #ENDMEETING | 01:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 19:02. | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | lol | 01:02 |
| Hellow | that works | 01:02 |
| Vantrax | NOOB | 01:02 |
| thewrath | /leave | 01:02 |
| Vantrax | he he he | 01:02 |
| bodhi_zazen | totally :) | 01:02 |
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| evand | hi ya | 15:59 |
| robbiew | #startmeeting | 15:59 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is robbiew. | 15:59 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:59 |
| robbiew | hi | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | afternoon | 15:59 |
| * james_w waves | 16:00 | |
| TheMuso | Greetings | 16:00 |
| robbiew | hey TheMuso, I haven't forgot about the meeting time issue | 16:00 |
| TheMuso | robbiew: ok | 16:00 |
| * slangasek waves | 16:00 | |
| * Keybuk dances | 16:00 | |
| robbiew | liw is sick | 16:00 |
| Keybuk | swine flu? | 16:01 |
| robbiew | lol | 16:01 |
| slangasek | and he's also under the weather | 16:01 |
| robbiew | mvo: doko: here? | 16:01 |
| Keybuk | mvo is on a call to the room I'm sitting in | 16:01 |
| robbiew | ah | 16:02 |
| doko | yes | 16:02 |
| robbiew | the infamous pre-UDS DX sprint | 16:02 |
| Keybuk | ♥ DX | 16:02 |
| robbiew | Keybuk: gotcha ;), thnx | 16:02 |
| robbiew | we should get started....going to be short as I'm drowning in PDRs | 16:03 |
| TheMuso | shorter is better for me. :) | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | oh, yeah, that | 16:03 |
| mvo | robbiew: yes | 16:03 |
| mvo | robbiew: but as Keybuk said, in a call | 16:03 |
| robbiew | mvo: no worries | 16:03 |
| mvo | I will just multitask :P | 16:03 |
| Keybuk | 8F. Promptness in filling in performance reviews (o) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | stop, you're giving me nightmares | 16:04 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] Karmic Alpha 1 | 16:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Karmic Alpha 1 | 16:04 |
| robbiew | didn't we JUST do a release? | 16:05 |
| robbiew | jeesh | 16:05 |
| mvo | it never stops! | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | I literally just cleared away the alpha-1 blockers I own about two hours ago | 16:05 |
| cjwatson | or, at least, the blockers I know about ... | 16:05 |
| doko | hmm, maybe we should care about build failures before the release? | 16:05 |
| doko | armel currently is not releasable, needs a manual gcc-4.4 build at least | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | any other big important ones? I'm more concerned about things that cause uninstallability, personally | 16:06 |
| * Keybuk has a udev update to go in on friday | 16:07 | |
| cjwatson | currently slightly mystified by http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/karmic_probs.html being full of rubbish that I can't reproduce under chdist :-/ | 16:07 |
| * TheMuso ran into libltdl package uninstallability stuff, but hasn't dug into it deeply. | 16:07 | |
| TheMuso | I just retried my builds, and will wait to see what happens. | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | TheMuso: there was a problem due to some packages, including libltdl, being in universe by accident | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | I fixed that yesterday | 16:07 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: ah | 16:07 |
| doko | openjdk will need a manual build as well (armel only) | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | though it does keep on coming up | 16:07 |
| slangasek | bwah, why is karmic_probs full *again*? | 16:07 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: ok so my retries should succeed then./ | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | (ah, and now I see my chdist problem) | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: my guess is http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/architecture-mismatches.txt | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | fixing now ... | 16:08 |
| slangasek | yeesh | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | somebody's asleep at the wheel while driving NEW, but I have yet to figure out exactly who and why | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | I fixed what I thought was one of the major causes | 16:09 |
| slangasek | I'm wondering if there's an LP behavior change here | 16:09 |
| cjwatson | this isn't entirely a new problem, although the prevalence is a bit startling | 16:10 |
| robbiew | slangasek: did Riddell agree to cover for you next week? | 16:11 |
| slangasek | robbiew: haven't caught him yet, actually; pitti is assuring me that it's not a problem for him to cover - but I will talk to Riddell anyway to make sure at least Kubuntu is covered | 16:12 |
| robbiew | slangasek: okay | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | I suspect that we could do with a mass give-back before alpha-1 | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | at least, once the current buildd logjam clears | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | we had some fairly long intervals where e.g. core GNOME libraries were uninstallable on several architectures | 16:16 |
| robbiew | okay...moving along | 16:17 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] UDS Karmic | 16:17 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UDS Karmic | 16:17 |
| robbiew | I've scheduled everything that I know about | 16:18 |
| slangasek | pointer to the current schedule? | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-a/ ? | 16:18 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-a/ ? | 16:18 |
| robbiew | if you've created a blueprint and need it scheduled in our track or another teams, i suggest you email me or the track manager | 16:18 |
| robbiew | and some in http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/foundations-b/ | 16:18 |
| * cjwatson remembers that he probably needs to register for the sprint | 16:20 | |
| cjwatson | (and, I'm betting, so do a number of other people) | 16:20 |
| robbiew | yes | 16:20 |
| * TheMuso does so | 16:21 | |
| cjwatson | is there anything else major that team members need to do before UDS? | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | I assume that in general we need to do prep work | 16:22 |
| slangasek | oh cool, the schedule just broke :) | 16:22 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:22 |
| robbiew | Keybuk can fix it :) | 16:22 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: not really, I suppose I need to make sure I have someone to lead the discussions for each session | 16:23 |
| robbiew | I will do that early next week | 16:23 |
| TheMuso | yep, somewhat spectacularly. | 16:24 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] LSB | 16:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: LSB | 16:25 |
| robbiew | http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/370066 | 16:25 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lsb/+bug/370066 | 16:25 |
| robbiew | I need some help with this "bug" | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/370066/+text) | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/370066/+text) | 16:25 |
| slangasek | robbiew: erm; targeted to 8.04.3? Is hardy actually compatible with LSB 4? | 16:26 |
| robbiew | yep...according to the LSB folks. I have been working with them to get this done | 16:26 |
| robbiew | I will forward the email from Ted | 16:27 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:27 |
| robbiew | apparently both 8.04 and 9.04 are compliant* | 16:27 |
| robbiew | * = some excusable failures apparently | 16:27 |
| cjwatson | it's not a huge patch, and relatively unlikely to be invasive; but for karmic we should try to get Debian to go along | 16:28 |
| robbiew | they are willing to mark us as compliant, if we make the changes to our package | 16:28 |
| robbiew | cjwatson: do you think they will be open to it? | 16:28 |
| robbiew | they = Debian | 16:29 |
| slangasek | there's no reason why they shouldn't | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | don't see why they wouldn't be, indeed | 16:29 |
| robbiew | I suppose that would make things easier on us | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: wanna take this up with Chris Lawrence? | 16:30 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:31 |
| slangasek | (assigning bug to me) | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | thanks a lot | 16:31 |
| robbiew | slangasek: thanks | 16:31 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] PDRs | 16:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: PDRs | 16:31 |
| robbiew | yay! | 16:31 |
| robbiew | The deadline is this Friday (if I recall correctly) | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I suck currently but should make it | 16:32 |
| * robbiew sucks REAL bad...stupid UDS scheduling! :P | 16:32 | |
| james_w | I heard a hint that the deadline was just for the multiple choice part, is that correct? | 16:32 |
| james_w | i.e. we don't have to write objectives for Friday | 16:33 |
| TheMuso | james_w: thats how I understand it yes. | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | I'm not authoritative for this time round, but in the past, objectives have been something that you write after discussion with your manager, i.e. after the verbal review | 16:33 |
| robbiew | right | 16:34 |
| james_w | ok, thanks | 16:34 |
| robbiew | but you need to do more than the multiple choice part...I believe the written part concerning your objectives from this cycle is also needed | 16:34 |
| TheMuso | yes that sounds about right. | 16:35 |
| * TheMuso remembers doing that. | 16:35 | |
| cjwatson | gah, sorry | 16:36 |
| robbiew | [TOPIC] AOB/Good News? | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB/Good News? | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | the GTK d-i frontend actually appears to work with current GTK | 16:37 |
| james_w | eglibc. Presumably this would fall under our team. Does there need to be a discussion about it? | 16:37 |
| TheMuso | awesome! | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | so that's looking a lot more hopeful for karmic now | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | james_w: I believe it's still a bit up in the air in Debian ... | 16:37 |
| james_w | I can imagine | 16:38 |
| evand | I've got disk image support in usb-creator basically finished, but I'm still working on other bits before I merge my personal branch into trunk. | 16:38 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: I dare say I and other studio users/testers would be happy to give it a run for studio when things are ready. | 16:38 |
| robbiew | just a reminder that doko starts his tour of duty in OEM next week...but still is welcome to attend this meeting :) | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | mostly I'm worried about lurking ABI breakage | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | if anyone can do this properly, codesourcery can, but I haven't found an accurate and up-to-date summary of changes from glibc to eglibc yet | 16:39 |
| doko | well, let's prepare eglibc-2.10 in a PPA ... | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | I'll be a lot happier if this does get through NEW and Debian adopts it | 16:40 |
| doko | it's being prepared for experimental | 16:41 |
| cjwatson | it's in NEW right now for unstable | 16:42 |
| Keybuk | slangasek, robbiew: summit is fixed again | 16:42 |
| Keybuk | rickspencer was trying to have a sneaky meeting alongside the monday morning plenary | 16:42 |
| robbiew | okay | 16:42 |
| robbiew | heh | 16:42 |
| robbiew | oh...Muharem has joined the team...I believe was sprinting with mvo last week | 16:43 |
| robbiew | :/ | 16:43 |
| * robbiew forgot to invite him to the meeting | 16:43 | |
| mvo | he is sprinting this week | 16:43 |
| doko | cjwatson: that's still 2.9 | 16:43 |
| robbiew | ah...okay, cool | 16:43 |
| mvo | he is currently in this room with me :) | 16:43 |
| robbiew | :) | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | doko: oh, right | 16:44 |
| mvo | its going very well so far, he is a great addition to the team | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | doko: switching to 2.9 first would be better anyway so that we can easily distinguish problems caused by eglibc from problems caused by 2.10 | 16:44 |
| dholbach | hiya al-maisan :-) | 16:45 |
| al-maisan | hello dholbach :) | 16:45 |
| * slangasek waves :) | 16:45 | |
| james_w | hey al-maisan, welcom | 16:45 |
| al-maisan | thank you all :-) | 16:45 |
| robbiew | al-maisan: I'll setup a call with you soon...just been really busy this week with PDRs and UDS prep | 16:46 |
| robbiew | okay...anything else" | 16:46 |
| al-maisan | robbiew: no problem :) | 16:46 |
| robbiew | s/"/? | 16:46 |
| robbiew | #endmeeting | 16:48 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:48. | 16:48 |
| robbiew | thanks all! | 16:48 |
| james_w | thanks | 16:48 |
| evand | thanks | 16:48 |
| * TheMuso heads to bed | 16:48 | |
| TheMuso | thanks | 16:48 |
| slangasek | thanks :) | 16:49 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:50 |
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| heno | hello everyone | 17:59 |
| davmor2 | hello | 17:59 |
| pedro_ | hola! | 17:59 |
| ara | hola hola | 18:00 |
| intellectronica | 'allo | 18:00 |
| bdmurray | Hi! | 18:01 |
| * ogasawara waves | 18:01 | |
| fader_ | Howdy | 18:01 |
| cr3 | yo homies | 18:02 |
| heno | ok, let's start! | 18:02 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno. | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:02 |
| heno | [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: UbuntuBugDay highlights -- pedro | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | The pas week we did a catch up new bugs for SRU and Karmic hug day it was pretty good but too much bugs to do there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090430 | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | the list is quite big as you can see | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | but anyways ~43 bugs were hugged, and jgoguen continue doing a good work on that front as every week | 18:04 |
| heno | ugh, lots indeed | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | so thanks a lot to him and to bdmurray for the great work that day | 18:04 |
| andresmujica | hi | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | Tomorrow we're celebrating a hug day based on... Compiz! | 18:04 |
| ara | pedro_: cool :) | 18:05 |
| heno | great :) | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | page is up and people already started to work on it https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090507 | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | yeah jgoguen is a amazing we all know that ;-) | 18:05 |
| bdmurray | pedro_: One thing useful to do is reassign bugs to the plugin package if they are plugin related correct? | 18:05 |
| pedro_ | so everybody is welcome to join us tomorrow to start squashing some bugs there | 18:05 |
| bdmurray | I mean specific to a particular plugin | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | bdmurray: would be good as part of the triage process, yes indeed | 18:06 |
| heno | next | 18:06 |
| pedro_ | i asked to mvo if he had any other particular task he want us to be focus during the hug day and he said not for now | 18:06 |
| heno | [TOPIC] New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: New bug control members! -- bdmurray | 18:06 |
| bdmurray | This week primes2h became a member of Bug Control. He is specifically working on cleaning up old gutsy kernel tasks at the moment. | 18:07 |
| heno | great to see some specialisation! | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | that's it this week | 18:08 |
| heno | ok, thanks | 18:08 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Should we be looking at doing some hardcore stress testing to get fixes into karmic no that jaunty is out? -- davmor2 | 18:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Should we be looking at doing some hardcore stress testing to get fixes into karmic no that jaunty is out? -- davmor2 | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | there are some things available in jaunty that are likely to be default in karmic | 18:09 |
| davmor2 | would it be worth stress testing these thing, like ext4 on the more stable jaunty than karmic | 18:10 |
| davmor2 | if so what will be the best way to stress test things like ext4 and maybe banshee | 18:10 |
| ara | is banshee going to be the default player in karmic? | 18:10 |
| heno | Time might be better spent digging into ext4 bugs from jaunty | 18:10 |
| cr3 | davmor2: might there be existing suites which could be leveraged for this? | 18:10 |
| ogasawara | there are already a few ext4 bugs that have been on the radar (some fixed) | 18:11 |
| heno | presumably lots of people are already using these new features | 18:11 |
| fader_ | I imagine we've got a number of early adopters who will be using e.g. ext4 pretty heavily | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | ara: likely as rhythmbox is nolonger being developed | 18:11 |
| pedro_ | ara: there's going to be a discussion about the new default player for karmic at UDS, there's no decision yet | 18:11 |
| * cr3 is a user of ext4 | 18:11 | |
| * fader_ is as well. | 18:12 | |
| pedro_ | davmor2: which is not true ;-) | 18:12 |
| heno | looks like there is not much support for that test project, davmor2 | 18:13 |
| fader_ | If there are test suites defined for some of these things I think we can likely get people to run them | 18:13 |
| fader_ | (I would happily run some tests if you can point me at some) | 18:13 |
| pedro_ | btw https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-default-media-player-choice <- | 18:13 |
| ara | pedro_: can you point me to the blueprint (if any). It looks like an interesting discussion if it happens in a free slot for me :) | 18:14 |
| heno | looking into likely karmic changes so we can start tracking them makes sense though | 18:14 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: I think, for things like ext4 and X's UXA, finding issues with karmic's kernel/X stack might be more useful. | 18:14 |
| andresmujica | the test suspend stress would go into this right? | 18:14 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: this I know but it tends to be quite unstable initially which is why I thought it might be worth testing on jaunty | 18:15 |
| pedro_ | ara: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-default-media-player-choice | 18:15 |
| davmor2 | pre alpha1 | 18:15 |
| ara | pedro_: thanks :) | 18:15 |
| pedro_ | ara: you're welcome | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: I agree with you on unstable/broken in various ways, I briefly tested 2.6.30 because I have an i965 and had other issues (wifi's overrated anyway) | 18:16 |
| heno | davmor2: I think SRU testing for hardy/intrepid/jauntu would be time better spent | 18:16 |
| sbeattie | but the divergence is big enough that you may just end up hitting bugs that upstream has already fixed in what's in karmic. | 18:17 |
| davmor2 | heno: fair enough it was more of a talking point at any rate :) | 18:17 |
| heno | ok, moving on then :) | 18:17 |
| sbeattie | it's worth thinking about stress tests in our testing regimen. | 18:18 |
| heno | [TOPIC] http://qa.ubuntu.com landing page. Any updates? | 18:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: http://qa.ubuntu.com landing page. Any updates? | 18:18 |
| heno | sbeattie: agreed | 18:18 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: I'm already stressed :) | 18:18 |
| schwuk | Pending an RT request which henrik and I are chasing. | 18:18 |
| ara | the other day mdz asked me why the landing page stated "ubuntu brainstorm". As if it was something new :) | 18:19 |
| heno | heh | 18:19 |
| mdz | ara: I never noticed it before :-) | 18:19 |
| mdz | or if I did, I forgot | 18:19 |
| heno | so, watch for a change any day now ... | 18:20 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Do we need bugsquad's team regular meetings? -- andresmujica | 18:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Do we need bugsquad's team regular meetings? -- andresmujica | 18:20 |
| andresmujica | hi, | 18:20 |
| andresmujica | i believe that we need to hold regular meetings for bugsquad members | 18:20 |
| heno | +1 | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | looking for a more streamlined process in bug triaging | 18:21 |
| pedro_ | that'd be good at least once a month | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | yap | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | i believe that too | 18:21 |
| heno | should we bake them into bug days? | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | once a month would be ideal | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | hmm, i won't like that | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | because at bug days | 18:21 |
| heno | that would encourage more activity around them | 18:21 |
| andresmujica | it's already the packaging triaging sessions | 18:22 |
| bdmurray | Tuesdays? | 18:22 |
| andresmujica | and the bug day the work is distributed the whole day | 18:22 |
| pedro_ | right, so what about a Tuesdays? | 18:22 |
| pedro_ | heh | 18:22 |
| andresmujica | sure! | 18:22 |
| andresmujica | monthly or wweekly? | 18:22 |
| bdmurray | Let's start of with monthly and if there is lots to discuss move to weekly | 18:23 |
| andresmujica | i do agree! | 18:23 |
| heno | sounds good | 18:23 |
| heno | starting next Tuesday? what time? | 18:23 |
| andresmujica | so, what should i do? | 18:23 |
| pedro_ | yeap, so Tuesday 12th as the first meeting? | 18:23 |
| andresmujica | make a wiki page with an initial set of topics? | 18:23 |
| bdmurray | I suggest we have the first on the 12th as some of will have conflicts on the 19th and 26th (UDS) | 18:23 |
| ara | andresmujica: blog, fridge | 18:23 |
| andresmujica | 12th is perfect! same time? 16:00 UTC? | 18:24 |
| bdmurray | Is there anything else scheduled here then? | 18:25 |
| * pedro_ looks at the fridge | 18:25 | |
| andresmujica | room is free at that time | 18:25 |
| andresmujica | just after the server team meeting | 18:25 |
| bdmurray | andresmujica: at 16 or 17 UTC its 17 now | 18:25 |
| pedro_ | nothing as far as i can see, the desktop meeting is at 16:30 but that happens at #ubuntu-desktop and not here | 18:26 |
| ogasawara | the kernel team has their IRC meetings at 1700 UTC on tuesdays | 18:26 |
| andresmujica | ohh.. 17 UTC now 12:00 GMT -5 for me | 18:26 |
| bdmurray | 1600 is fine with me | 18:26 |
| andresmujica | for me too. | 18:27 |
| heno | pedro_, ogasawara ^ ? | 18:27 |
| davmor2 | push come to shove you could always move it to #ubuntu-bugs if it does clash | 18:27 |
| ogasawara | works for me | 18:27 |
| pedro_ | oops sorry. works fine for me | 18:27 |
| pedro_ | davmor2: yeap | 18:28 |
| heno | ok, next | 18:28 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Specs/Blueprints/Ideas for UDS Karmic - Any more for any more? -- schwuk | 18:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Specs/Blueprints/Ideas for UDS Karmic - Any more for any more? -- schwuk | 18:28 |
| schwuk | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UDSKarmic | 18:28 |
| pedro_ | andresmujica: if need help setting up something, just drop me a message | 18:28 |
| schwuk | We've created blueprints for all the proposed topics for KArmic (see link) | 18:29 |
| andresmujica | pedro: sure i'll do, thks | 18:29 |
| schwuk | Does anyone have anymore? for consideration? | 18:29 |
| schwuk | sbeattie: I've got yours too. | 18:29 |
| heno | thanks schwuk! | 18:29 |
| sbeattie | schwuk: cool, thanks. | 18:29 |
| andresmujica | so we need to subscribe to those specs for UDS attendees, right? | 18:29 |
| ara | schwuk: cool | 18:29 |
| pedro_ | are they already on summit.ubuntu.com? | 18:30 |
| heno | we have two rooms this time so we can schedule smaller discussions in room B | 18:30 |
| heno | pedro_: yes but the order is not final | 18:30 |
| pedro_ | ah i answer myself: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/qa-a/ | 18:30 |
| pedro_ | heno: ok | 18:30 |
| ara | didn't we agree that blueprints is not the best match for every qa discussion? | 18:30 |
| heno | please, everyone: subscribe yourself to topics you are interested in | 18:31 |
| pedro_ | heno: how someone can schedule a discussion on room B? should we do that at UDS or we can use the same wiki page? | 18:31 |
| pedro_ | s/on/in | 18:31 |
| heno | pedro_: people with access to the summit admin page can do it | 18:31 |
| heno | which I think is ubuntu-drivers | 18:32 |
| heno | e can also schedule more in room B at UDS | 18:32 |
| pedro_ | ah ok | 18:32 |
| heno | ara: right. some should just be discussion topics | 18:33 |
| heno | shall we make a non-spec discussion section on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UDSKarmic ? | 18:33 |
| schwuk | I'm guessing no more topics then heno, so we can fill the gaps with discussions now | 18:33 |
| schwuk | heh | 18:34 |
| sbeattie | idea for session|discussion: regular benchmarking/stress testing to look for regressions? | 18:34 |
| schwuk | heno: I'm guessing you can schedule sessions without blueprints, right? | 18:34 |
| heno | schwuk: right, with summit site admin access | 18:35 |
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| ara | schwuk: yes, in pink (roundtables, discussions, etc) | 18:35 |
| schwuk | sbeattie: it's a wiki :) go add it | 18:35 |
| heno | bdmurray: you have that access too right? | 18:35 |
| bdmurray | heno: yes | 18:36 |
| intellectronica | i'd like to have an opportunity to discuss qa tracking in launchpad with you guys, but there isn't any concrete proposal i can file as a blueprint. shall i file one anyway, or would you like to schedule a non-blueprint session for it? | 18:36 |
| davmor2 | am I missing something how do you add you name | 18:36 |
| heno | so nag bdmurray, myself or any Ubuntu driver to add sessions :) | 18:36 |
| schwuk | intellectronica: there's also a request for a hwdb session i.e launchpadlib | 18:37 |
| andresmujica | hey, the X bug sessions that bryce has proposed aren't included within the QA specs? | 18:37 |
| intellectronica | maybe we should just schedule a malone/qa team summit session, where we can discuss all of that? | 18:37 |
| heno | intellectronica: please file a placeholder, I'm sure we'll have action items (a spec) after the discussion | 18:37 |
| intellectronica | heno: ok, will do | 18:38 |
| heno | andresmujica: are they on desktop, or unscheduled? | 18:39 |
| schwuk | intellectronica: added one to the wikipage I linked earlier for you | 18:40 |
| andresmujica | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-troubleshooting-x-freezes-and-crashes | 18:40 |
| schwuk | heno: added a discussions section to that page | 18:40 |
| heno | thanks | 18:40 |
| intellectronica | schwuk: fanks | 18:40 |
| heno | seems to be unscheduled | 18:41 |
| andresmujica | this is another one desktop-karmic-intel-canonical-bug-process | 18:41 |
| heno | bdmurray: can you check if he wants that on the qa track? | 18:42 |
| andresmujica | and this one desktop-karmic-xorg-intel-upstreaming-working-session | 18:42 |
| bdmurray | heno: sure. I'd also like to arrange a discussion w/ him regarding X bug auto handling | 18:43 |
| heno | bdmurray: cool, good breakout room discussion | 18:43 |
| heno | andresmujica: thanks for raising that | 18:43 |
| heno | Any other business? | 18:43 |
| andresmujica | np | 18:43 |
| bdmurray | A bit ago I sent an e-mail out about private bugs and a report of them | 18:44 |
| bdmurray | I noticed last night that there are some that ubuntu-universe-crashes isn't subscribed to and I've removed those from the report | 18:44 |
| bdmurray | Since we can't see them and therefore can't do anything... | 18:44 |
| bdmurray | I'll check with pitti regarding getting the crashes team subscribed to them | 18:45 |
| heno | ok | 18:45 |
| heno | do we need a UDS discussion about crash report triage btw? | 18:45 |
| bdmurray | Thanks everyone for helping out with those as the list is dwindling | 18:45 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: did you think more about adding weighting to that list? | 18:46 |
| bdmurray | heno: I think there are a couple of things to discuss | 18:47 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: I did think about it | 18:47 |
| heno | bdmurray: will you file a non-spec A-room topic? | 18:47 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: maybe we can discuss the details after the meeting | 18:47 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: sure thing | 18:47 |
| heno | right, any other other business? | 18:48 |
| heno | ok, thanks all! | 18:48 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 18:48 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:48. | 18:48 |
| davmor2 | thanks | 18:48 |
| pedro_ | gracias! | 18:48 |
| schwuk | thanks | 18:49 |
| ara | thanks! | 18:49 |
| andresmujica | thanks! nice meeting :) | 18:49 |
| eeejay | did i miss the meeting? | 18:55 |
| eeejay | there was a terrible netsplit, the worst since 1996 | 18:55 |
| PeperJohnny | nothing yet | 18:55 |
| eeejay | oh, good | 18:56 |
| ara | eeejay: what meeting do you mean? | 18:59 |
| Riddell | ** Kubuntu meeting in two minutes in #ubuntu-meeting | 18:59 |
| ScottK | \o | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | o/ | 19:00 |
| Mamarok | \0/ | 19:00 |
| jfolsom | \oo/ | 19:00 |
| eeejay | ara: the QA meeting | 19:00 |
| ara | eeejay: it was an hour ago :( | 19:01 |
| JontheEchidna | \o | 19:01 |
| a|wen_ | :) | 19:01 |
| eeejay | ara: ! | 19:01 |
| Tonio_ | \o/ | 19:01 |
| Lure | hello to all kubuntu friends! | 19:01 |
| * Tonio_ is happy to be able to be there at time, for once... :) | 19:01 | |
| Nightrose | meep :) | 19:01 |
| Riddell | evening friends | 19:01 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings has an agenda | 19:01 |
| blizzz | moinmoin | 19:02 |
| Riddell | we should start with memership as is our normal way | 19:02 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: want to go first? | 19:02 |
| Mamarok | ok | 19:02 |
| Riddell | give us a few sentences on who you are and what you do in kubuntu | 19:02 |
| Mamarok | well, hi all | 19:02 |
| Riddell | oh and where's your wiki page | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | My wiki page can be fund here: | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MyriamSchweingruber | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | I am a long time KDE user, using Kubuntu since it's existence | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | as my nick shows I am also a Amarok person | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | and it reads Mama-rok :) | 19:03 |
| Mamarok | when my time allows it I give some support in #kubuntu and #kubuntu-de | 19:04 |
| Mamarok | ditto for triaging bugs | 19:04 |
| Riddell | and run the kubuntu-users mailing list | 19:05 |
| Mamarok | and of course handing out Kubuntu CDs at the SwissTeam events and various booths in Switzerland and Europe | 19:05 |
| Mamarok | welll,the mailing list moderation is something I try t least, not easy I admit... | 19:05 |
| Mamarok | try to* even | 19:05 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: what's the feeling like from our users on the jaunty release? | 19:06 |
| neversfelde | Mamarok is a relentless supporter in #kubuntu-de, too | 19:06 |
| Mamarok | neversfelde: thx :) | 19:06 |
| Mamarok | well, I hear both sounds, like it and don't like t, it's the usuall KDE 3 vs 4 shouting | 19:06 |
| Mamarok | but KDE 4 winds over as it seems :) | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | since she is in a way or another my mom I suppose we should make her member :P | 19:07 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: :) | 19:07 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 19:07 |
| neversfelde | :) | 19:07 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: what are your thoughts about kubuntu l10n? :P | 19:07 |
| Mamarok | oh, did I forget to dsay that I'm a KDE 4 lover | 19:07 |
| Mamarok | ouch, I used Rosetta in it's beginning and stopped to some time ago | 19:08 |
| ScottK | Bonus points for making the attempt. | 19:08 |
| Mamarok | it's just too buggy for serious translation, messing up things, etc. | 19:08 |
| Tonio_ | I unfortunatelly approve this... | 19:09 |
| Mamarok | let's very much hope they got the message now since apacheloggers mail | 19:09 |
| * apachelogger notes: need to report bugs and be pita about them | 19:09 | |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: what are you doing over at amarok? | 19:09 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: French and German translation of AKO | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | bug triaging | 19:10 |
| Riddell | Mamarok: of the many free software projects you're involved in, which has the coolest community? | 19:10 |
| maco | haha | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | uh | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | dont answer that! | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: you are jokin, aren't you? KDE of course!!! | 19:10 |
| Riddell | and the best looking people | 19:10 |
| maco | someone digging for compliments? | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: how is the weather in .ch? | 19:10 |
| Riddell | KDE is awfae cool | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: remember I always take a picture of you? | 19:10 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: better than it was yesterday in Berlin | 19:11 |
| Riddell | we seem to have run out of serious questions | 19:11 |
| apachelogger | aye | 19:11 |
| Riddell | Mamarok gets a +1 from me for top user support | 19:11 |
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| Tonio_ | +1 for me, obviously, based on excellent community work ! plus we need more women in the process... keep up the good work ! | 19:11 |
| Riddell | Nightrose? | 19:11 |
| Nightrose | +1 for dealing with the user list | 19:12 |
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| Riddell | Mamarok: you're in! | 19:12 |
| * apachelogger notes that Nightrose is biased | 19:12 | |
| Nightrose | heh | 19:12 |
| Mamarok | wow, thanks a lot, folks! | 19:12 |
| neversfelde | that was easy :) | 19:12 |
| * Mamarok bows | 19:12 | |
| JontheEchidna | welcome :) | 19:12 |
| * apachelogger hans Mamarok a cookie | 19:12 | |
| blizzz | congrats Mamarok :) | 19:12 |
| apachelogger | +d | 19:12 |
| * ScottK wonders who is Hans? | 19:12 | |
| * Mamarok *hugs* apachelogger | 19:12 | |
| neversfelde | Mamarok: congratulations | 19:12 |
| Riddell | on with the agenda | 19:12 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | 19:13 |
| ScottK | Congratulations Mamarok | 19:13 |
| Mamarok | and hugs to all the others of course :) | 19:13 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: you really dont wanna know | 19:13 |
| Riddell | that has the specs I've registered for UDS | 19:13 |
| Riddell | I also saw a spec for DX discussions | 19:13 |
| Riddell | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration | 19:13 |
| Riddell | shtylman, ScottK, rgreening: all ready for UDS? | 19:13 |
| Riddell | who else? | 19:14 |
| maco | <-- | 19:14 |
| shtylman | Riddell: yep | 19:14 |
| Riddell | jpds: you going to come to the Kubuntu sessions? | 19:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: me I guess :) | 19:14 |
| ScottK | I still need to make my travel arrangements. | 19:14 |
| rgreening | Not really :) | 19:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and all ready on my side | 19:14 |
| rgreening | but I'll get there :) | 19:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_, maco: great | 19:14 |
| Riddell | ScottK: book quick! | 19:14 |
| shtylman | I do still need to register for sessions though | 19:14 |
| rgreening | Travel is done, just need to post up details and look for cab buddies | 19:15 |
| Riddell | first rule of UDS is, up by 9 o'clock sharp | 19:15 |
| Riddell | else people get grumpy | 19:16 |
| shtylman | ooo.... I dunno about that one ;) | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 19:16 |
| Riddell | second is work hard and play hard | 19:16 |
| apachelogger | clearly I will never attend UDS | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 19:16 |
| wirelessmonkey | If you see technoviking...tell him to take his own cab ;) | 19:16 |
| Tonio_ | and drink even harder ! | 19:16 |
| Tonio_ | but latelly, only ! | 19:16 |
| Mamarok | shtylman: just don't walk in a session that already has started | 19:16 |
| shtylman | Mamarok: noted :) | 19:17 |
| Riddell | there should be a way for non-attendees to dial in and contribute | 19:17 |
| Riddell | and I believe rickspencer3 has put our sessions spread out along the week one a day | 19:17 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: we could keep you awake for the "9 sharp" session, then let you sleep? | 19:17 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: are they in any order? | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | Mamarok: that would be cool I suppose | 19:17 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah, two a day in the afternoon | 19:17 |
| Riddell | rickspencer3: probably the top two on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs should be in the first two days as they're the most important and may need some thinking about | 19:18 |
| Lure | any candidate to drive discussion with rosetta about l10n (follow up on apachelogger's mail)? | 19:18 |
| Riddell | Lure: there's a roundtable scheduled | 19:18 |
| nixternal | oy oy | 19:18 |
| Lure | Riddell: great, I hope several of you will attend and hopefully this will improve in karmic | 19:18 |
| * apachelogger notes to keep the 9 o'clock sharp rule in mind while asking that question | 19:19 | |
| seele | there is a single blueprint for packaging and development? will you be able to talk about all that in two sessions? | 19:19 |
| Mamarok | Karmic has to be *the* Kubuntu release, with all the Ks all over... | 19:19 |
| Riddell | if you think there's other things that should be discussed then do add them to that wiki page | 19:19 |
| Riddell | seele: that's why it should be at the start of the week incase we need more sessions to finish it off | 19:19 |
| shtylman | Mamarok: I agree...think lots of polish should go into it.. | 19:19 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: translations..... | 19:19 |
| seele | double sessions maybe, heh | 19:20 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: kpackagekit... decent graphical package manager is or eternal problem I think... | 19:20 |
| shtylman | seele: I think icons deserve a special touch :) | 19:21 |
| seele | shtylman: icons? | 19:21 |
| Lure | Riddell: dx-karmic-kde-integration should be linked from Kubuntu spec page - should I add it? | 19:21 |
| Riddell | Lure: please | 19:21 |
| smarter | [20:19:27] -*- smarter notes that https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-karmic-kde-integration should probably says that dx means desktop experience | 19:21 |
| smarter | don't know if that message was sent or not | 19:21 |
| ScottK | I have to say I was deeply troubled by a lot of their discussion at their meeting yesterday. | 19:21 |
| Riddell | smarter: poke rickspencer3, he registered it | 19:22 |
| shtylman | seele: just general usability icons, kde people will probly get to some of them, but some of the icons (like network manager) don't always make sense | 19:22 |
| Lure | ScottK: I hope you will be there on UDS meeting then ;-) | 19:22 |
| Riddell | network manager artwork is known to be sub par by upstream | 19:22 |
| Riddell | moving on | 19:23 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you had an agenda item | 19:23 |
| Riddell | What's new with pkg-kde-tools? (I spy with my little eye a merge...) -- echidnaman | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, what's up in pkg-kde-tools land? | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | I noticed you merged the other day, so what's the plan for moving forward? | 19:23 |
| Riddell | it's merged, go use it :) | 19:24 |
| Riddell | no need to use the kde4.mk from cdbs any more | 19:24 |
| JontheEchidna | neat | 19:24 |
| Riddell | use the debian-qt-kde.mk one (or kde.mk if you want) | 19:24 |
| * apachelogger recommends the former | 19:24 | |
| rgreening | so is cdbs still required as a build dep? or does that get removed too? | 19:24 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: aye | 19:25 |
| JontheEchidna | still required | 19:25 |
| rgreening | k | 19:25 |
| Riddell | cmake isn't though | 19:25 |
| rgreening | oh.. | 19:25 |
| rgreening | really | 19:25 |
| Riddell | currently qt is compiling away with new libqt4-phonon package | 19:25 |
| rgreening | cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 | 19:25 |
| Riddell | this means everything using phonon will need to be recompiled against it | 19:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what are the benefits of it compared to cdbs kde4.mk ? | 19:26 |
| Riddell | and I don't know if that's the same scheme Debian will use so it could change again | 19:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's the same as Debian | 19:26 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kde4.mk only existed because Debian didn't have a globally installed .mk file, now they do | 19:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I meant from a technical perspective :) syncing with debian is always good | 19:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay | 19:26 |
| Riddell | so waiting on qt, then I'll upload phonon (which now only builds the backends), then kde4libs and base and the rest | 19:27 |
| Riddell | currently not much is installable in karmic but hopefully that'll get sorted out by tomorrow | 19:27 |
| ScottK | I think the biggest new thing is their symbols file magic, which I totally don't understand. | 19:27 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes they are a bit mysterious | 19:27 |
| Riddell | currently we don't use them though | 19:28 |
| Riddell | they require dpkg from experimental which was merged last I looked | 19:28 |
| Riddell | next week.. alpha 1 | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | so is it possible to inlude them now for merge/sync purposes? | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | (symbol files) | 19:28 |
| ScottK | There are packages that we could sync if that would get done (I think) | 19:28 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Not yet. | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | strigi could be synced if we had symbol files | 19:28 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: you can include them, they just don't do anything | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | I had heard that they caused FTBFS | 19:29 |
| Riddell | so something breaks currently if you compile it? | 19:29 |
| JontheEchidna | or maybe I misunderstood | 19:29 |
| ScottK | That was my experience in Jaunty. | 19:29 |
| ScottK | Needed to actually remove them so dpkg-gensymbols wouldn't try and fail to update it. | 19:30 |
| Riddell | dpkg-gensymbols shouldn't get run | 19:30 |
| Riddell | I'll look at that later, no need to clog up meeting with it | 19:30 |
| ScottK | OK. | 19:31 |
| Riddell | 4.2.3 should be done by the end of day, thanks to everyone who helped with that | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | cool, that's about all the questions I had | 19:31 |
| JontheEchidna | yup, 4.2.3 is coming along | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | beta1 soon... | 19:32 |
| Riddell | yes beta 1 next week | 19:32 |
| JontheEchidna | do we want to get the merges finished before that? | 19:32 |
| Riddell | that might clash with our alpha 1 | 19:32 |
| shtylman | Riddell: will it be backported? | 19:32 |
| Riddell | yes we do, we're mostly blocked on buildds for the merges | 19:32 |
| Lure | Riddell: beta1 goes directly into karmic? | 19:32 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I hope so but we'll be pushing it to get it backported right on time | 19:32 |
| Riddell | we'll see | 19:33 |
| Riddell | Lure: yes | 19:33 |
| Lure | Riddell: great | 19:33 |
| * Lure will switch then to karmic ;-) | 19:33 | |
| Riddell | so lots to do | 19:33 |
| Riddell | if anyone wants to help the packaging ninjas do speak up! | 19:33 |
| Riddell | PPAs | 19:34 |
| Riddell | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-April/002788.html | 19:34 |
| * Lure just admires all the effort put by all ninjas - it is HUGE amount of work and releases! | 19:34 | |
| Riddell | shall we go with what I propose there? | 19:34 |
| JontheEchidna | I'm fine with that PPA layout | 19:34 |
| neversfelde | yes, soujnds good | 19:34 |
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| Lure | Riddell: fine with PPA - I will also retire digikam-experimental in favour of kubuntu experimental ppa | 19:34 |
| Riddell | Lure: good plan | 19:35 |
| Riddell | Network manager plasmoid update? | 19:36 |
| Riddell | who's tested the new network manager | 19:36 |
| Riddell | nobody? | 19:36 |
| shtylman | Riddell: where can we get it/test it from? | 19:36 |
| seele | is it in experimental or someone's ppa? | 19:36 |
| Riddell | shtylman: kubuntu-experimental PPA | 19:37 |
| * smarter just updated KubuntuKarmicSpecs | 19:37 | |
| neversfelde | the ppa build by a|wen_? | 19:37 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: you had a page for test results? | 19:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: does not work for hidden+WPA-Enterprise+PEAP+MSCHAPv2 | 19:37 |
| Lure | Riddell: but just did quick test | 19:37 |
| smarter | Lure: that's some pretty hardcode testcase :p | 19:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: on my ppa, seems to work pretty decent | 19:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I never had any problem with in for my special usecase | 19:38 |
| Lure | smarter: that is what my company uses, and no way to test what is wrong in that picture | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kububntu/PlasmaWidgetNetworkManager | 19:38 |
| apachelogger | though I recommend to talk to a|wen before doing tests | 19:38 |
| Lure | unless I try to configure something like this at home ;-) | 19:38 |
| neversfelde | a|wens build orked fine for me | 19:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: people having problems' feedback would be more interesting | 19:38 |
| Riddell | it seems to work perfectly for me | 19:38 |
| a|wen_ | i'm looking at updating it soon ... some of the problems reported has already been fixed | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | a|wen_: btw, we need a testcase for wrong password | 19:39 |
| apachelogger | the timeout seemed a bit long IMHO | 19:39 |
| Riddell | at least it does the right thing of opening kwallet before it needs the login password | 19:39 |
| neversfelde | oh, feedback on jauntys original version was not so good in our forum, people had to switch to network-manager-gnome several times | 19:39 |
| a|wen_ | but they did some restructuring; so wanted to see that the svn settled again | 19:39 |
| Tonio_ | still no way to set options for the vpn connections... | 19:39 |
| neversfelde | yeah, that kwallet problem was mentioned there several times | 19:39 |
| Riddell | ok so not time to go for a SRU yet | 19:40 |
| Riddell | it'll be hard to convince them to allow it as a SRU since it's not minimal patches but I think we should try | 19:40 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Maybe upload to Karmic and then backport. | 19:40 |
| a|wen_ | we had some wpa1+peap failing for once | 19:40 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mm, yes | 19:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: well, it is an incredible improvement to what we have in jaunty | 19:40 |
| a|wen_ | i'll check the svnlogs and do a an update soon | 19:40 |
| Lure | Riddell: we should try - we get lots of negative press and risk of getting worse than current state is low | 19:41 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: +1 | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | so if we do proper regression testing it should be no problem | 19:41 |
| ScottK | SRU promised regression free. Backports just promises 'better'. | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | SRU failed to keep that promise loads of times ;-) | 19:41 |
| Riddell | let's get it into backports toot sweet then | 19:41 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Agreed, but that doesn't make it OK. | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | I saw that k3b got uploaded to karmic, do we want to backport that soon too? | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | cases where users have to install nm-applet do | 19:41 |
| Lure | I would go backports as fallback scenario if SRU is rejected | 19:41 |
| apachelogger | the potential for regression is minimal, as there wasn't working a whole lot | 19:42 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: test it and check it works with DVDs first | 19:42 |
| ScottK | We also still have KNetworkManager too, so I don't think nm-applet is really required. | 19:42 |
| * JontheEchidna doesn't have a dvd burner | 19:42 | |
| neversfelde | is it possible to get plasma-widget-networkmanager in backports as a rolling release? | 19:42 |
| Lure | ScottK: it is, for my combination - knetworkmanager also does not work :-( | 19:42 |
| ScottK | Lure: So not a regression from Intrepid then ;-) | 19:43 |
| Lure | ScottK: confirmed ;-) | 19:43 |
| ScottK | Not saying Knm was great ... | 19:43 |
| Lure | ScottK: but true, it works for hidden networks, which are more common | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: knetworkmanager does also not work in a whole lot of cases | 19:43 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: I recommended knetworkmanager lot of times, there was no great success | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | + it is not on the CD | 19:44 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Is on the DVD though | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | the idea of getting it into updates is to deploy it _all_ users | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | that includes those that have no clue about anything | 19:44 |
| ScottK | It seems to me the biggest challenge for Karmic packaging is the OOo KDE4 stuff. | 19:44 |
| neversfelde | plasma-widget-networkmanager is a major issue what people dislike in jaunty | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | network-manager and intel drivers have been the biggest gripes I've seen about jaunty | 19:45 |
| Riddell | we'll get it into backports as soon as we can then | 19:45 |
| neversfelde | JontheEchidna: +1 here | 19:45 |
| Lure | neversfelde: I think intel driver regressions are even worse (but they are at least not kubuntu specific) | 19:45 |
| Riddell | when a|wen_ gets an update we'll do more format testing on it and go for an SRU | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | agreed | 19:45 |
| Riddell | Lure: yeah that's nasty too, but not really our area | 19:45 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Have you seen any progress on OOo for KDE4? | 19:45 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 19:45 |
| neversfelde | Lure: yes, ofcourse | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | AFK | 19:45 |
| Lure | Riddell: I think ubuntu cycle should be 1-2 months after Fedora | 19:46 |
| Riddell | ScottK: no, I'll probably look at it quickly before UDS to see if there's any possibility of us working on it | 19:46 |
| Riddell | there may well not be but worth looking | 19:46 |
| smarter | KNetworkManager stopped working after an Intrepid->Jaunty upgrade for my father | 19:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: they have all the bleading edge stuff linked with fedora releases | 19:46 |
| smarter | had to switch to the plasmoid | 19:46 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It might be a good area for collaboration with Debian as they'll be interested too. | 19:46 |
| seele | when will we make a decision about koffice? do we need to do it at UDS? it's still in beta | 19:46 |
| Lure | Riddell: or ubuntu should skip some latest and greatest if we want to be monthe before fedora | 19:46 |
| ScottK | seele: What decision about KOffice? | 19:47 |
| Riddell | seele: as a replacement koffice won't be ready for some time | 19:47 |
| smarter | it's definitely not going to replace OOo in the near future | 19:47 |
| Riddell | 2.0 is looking like a great base but it's not an OO killer for the moment | 19:47 |
| shtylman | given the choice I would stick with OO for some time | 19:47 |
| smarter | not even sure it'll ever be able to replace it for the professional userbase | 19:47 |
| shtylman | as OO is picking up users on other platforms as well | 19:47 |
| seele | ScottK: Riddell: simply to include it. | 19:48 |
| Lure | Riddell: Oracle looks more like OOo killer to me ;-) | 19:48 |
| * zaafouri is away (brb =)) | 19:48 | |
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| seele | i thought it was on the karmicspec list | 19:48 |
| Riddell | seele: koffice 2 will move to main for karmic I'm sure | 19:48 |
| * neversfelde is unsing koffice in a professional environment, but normal user would not do that | 19:48 | |
| smarter | Tonio_: ^ I think you discussed with the Koffice2 guys at some point and they said it'll never really be corporate-friendly? | 19:48 |
| Lure | neversfelde: koffice 2? | 19:48 |
| blizzz | neversfelde: can you create diagrams? | 19:49 |
| neversfelde | I am only writing | 19:49 |
| neversfelde | but professional writing :) | 19:49 |
| ScottK | Probably enough about KOffice for the meeting .... | 19:49 |
| neversfelde | Lure: yes | 19:49 |
| blizzz | kile is for writing :þ | 19:49 |
| neversfelde | +1 | 19:49 |
| shtylman | blizzz: +1 | 19:49 |
| Lure | neversfelde: you are a brave person then ;-) | 19:50 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: well the guys I discussed with, yes | 19:50 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: they expect it to be a "works", not an "ms office" like | 19:50 |
| Riddell | any other business? | 19:51 |
| seele | did you already do membership for Mamarok? | 19:51 |
| Lure | who is planning to go to gran canaria for Akademy? | 19:51 |
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| JontheEchidna | seele: at the start :) | 19:51 |
| ScottK | seele: Yes. | 19:51 |
| seele | ah, heh | 19:51 |
| * Lure is considering and good Kubuntu attendance would help with decision ;-) | 19:52 | |
| Riddell | seele: we did but we didn't hear your vote | 19:52 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: but on the other hand, our target are home users.... you want to use kubuntu at work -> use OOo and that's it | 19:52 |
| seele | i wasnt here | 19:52 |
| Riddell | Lure: I am | 19:52 |
| seele | +1 obviously | 19:52 |
| Tonio_ | smarter: I see no problem with that | 19:52 |
| seele | Lure: i am presenting | 19:52 |
| smarter | Tonio_: except it's probably not obvious for most people | 19:52 |
| Lure | Riddell, seele: great! anybody else? | 19:53 |
| ScottK | Tonio_: Until the kids can copy the papers they write to a memory stick and take them to school and work with MS Office there, it's not a suitable default for home use either. | 19:53 |
| Lure | ScottK: with Office2007 SP2 + fixes for ODF we might actually see that day sometime ;-) | 19:54 |
| * Riddell will believe it when he sees it | 19:54 | |
| ScottK | Lure: Someday, maybe. | 19:54 |
| shtylman | <- is skeptical... | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | koffice needs more work force | 19:55 |
| maco | does koffice2 not do doc? | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | in about ever aspect | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | maco: barely | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | though | 19:55 |
| maco | oh | 19:55 |
| apachelogger | actually it does ODF barely as well | 19:55 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: true that, of course | 19:55 |
| ScottK | Lure: Even if it were fixed now, it'd be about 2013 before it predominated in schools. | 19:55 |
| maco | apachelogger: so what DOES it do? | 19:56 |
| Riddell | I think we're out of meeting items | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | look shiny | 19:56 |
| smarter | maco: spinned texts :p | 19:56 |
| Lure | maco: non standard odf | 19:56 |
| Riddell | office suite talk to #kubuntu-devel | 19:56 |
| Riddell | thanks for coming everyone | 19:56 |
| * apachelogger continues strike | 19:56 | |
| Lure | apachelogger: huger strike? | 19:56 |
| Lure | hunger even | 19:56 |
| tsimpson | huger strike, that'a a good idea. keep huging people until they give you money | 19:57 |
| neversfelde | Meeting finished? | 20:09 |
| ScottK | Yep | 20:09 |
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