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micahgasac: is FF3.5b4 being backported to Jaunty?00:02
BUGabundomicahg: wasn't it already?00:08
BUGabundooh nevermind I just use PPAs00:08
BUGabundoso got confused00:08
micahgBUGabundo: no, the version in jaunty is pre400:08
micahgpreb400:09
BUGabundoah00:09
BUGabundo  Installed: 3.5~b5~hg20090503r25075+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd100:09
BUGabundo  Installed: 3.6~a1~hg20090503r27958+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd100:09
micahgyou're using a ppa00:10
micahghttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.500:10
BUGabundomicahg: I know! I told you that on the second line :)00:10
micahgyep00:10
micahgBUGabundo: I found out why I can't get it01:16
micahgthe packages didn't build yet :)01:17
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slavsunhi03:36
slavsunDoes anyone know how to add a field (for example Middle Name) to the address book in Thunderbird ?03:36
slavsunis it possible ?03:36
asacslavsun: not without looking. sorry.10:20
asacif you find out let us know ,)10:20
slavsunit seems to me that it is impossible10:26
slavsunand very difficult thing to implement10:26
slavsun)10:26
asacslavsun: so you want to implement that?10:27
asaci dont think its that difficult ;) ... but would have to look10:27
slavsunI'm not a programmer unfortuately10:30
asacwelcome dpm_11:55
dpm_hi asac :)11:56
asacdid you get the mail I just CCed you on?11:56
dpm_just checking...11:56
asachmm11:56
asacseems i have mail problems again11:56
asacargh11:56
dpm_asac: I got the message, thanks. It seems your mail is ok11:58
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asacdpm: i fixed it ;)12:01
dpmgood ;)12:02
gnomefreakhow do you find out what kernel point release you are on?12:55
asacgnomefreak: uname -a13:11
asacgnomefreak: or look at the package version13:11
asacbut to see what you are currently running use uname -a13:11
gnomefreakasac: uname -a doesnt give me 2.6.28-11.30-generic 2.6.28-11-generic13:27
gnomefreakthat .30 or .42 is what i need to find out13:28
gnomefreakmaybe synaptic can tell me13:28
gnomefreaki have a eeling .30 is what is cuasing these system halt problems13:29
gnomefreaks/eeling/feeling s/cuasing/causing13:29
gnomefreakit shows -11.42 but that cant be right this is a clean install never touched until now installed using ISO from april 11th13:33
gnomefreakha it is the kernel causing this issue13:53
gnomefreakasac: post something to indenti please it seems gwibber is confused between indenti and twitter the colors are all wrong and random, im going for a smoke13:57
asachmm13:59
asacnot sure i am running plain jaunty version13:59
gnomefreaki had upsate in jaunty to 2.6.28-11.15 from .14 but .14 shits down properly i didnt update because i need a working test case14:03
gnomefreakdamn lets fix that. s/upsate/update s/shits/shuts14:05
* gnomefreak needs spell check in irssi14:05
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gnomefreakok it looks like my first eye surgery will be on june 8th than i have to wait at the very least 2 weeks before they do other eye depending on how i heal. so month of june i will be ina nd out depending on how i see. possibly into july15:12
gnomefreakpeople need to stop using google-agenda-provider it is broken or it just breaks sunbird/lightning builds15:13
asacgnomefreak: eye surgery? is that a laser thing?15:41
asacor something caused by accident?15:42
gnomefreakasac: no its cataracs(sp) remove lens and replace it15:42
tonyyarussoCould someone please explain to me what warranty the "This might void your warranty!" warning on about:config is referring to, considering that the MPL reads "COVERED CODE IS PROVIDED UNDER THIS LICENSE ON AN "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND< EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED,..."?16:03
asactonyyarusso: well. its just a warning and has probably no real legal effect16:04
tonyyarussobut why on earth is it there?16:05
asaci guess its just a wording folks thought was appropriate16:05
asactonyyarusso: to make a point16:05
tonyyarussohmmm16:05
asacusers reading that might understand "yeah, this is bad"16:05
micahgasac: is there anything I can to do help with the build for ff3.5b4?16:05
asacmicahg: for jaunty?16:06
tonyyarussoMight just be me, but I think it would make a ton of sense to come up with a wording that doesn't involve the word "warranty".  Otherwise you may have to deal with the unintended consequence of people getting the impression that if they don't mess with it they DO have a warranty, you know?16:06
micahgeither16:06
asacmicahg: its already in karmic16:06
asaci plan to push that to -proposed or -security ... have to decide still16:06
gnomefreakanyone using seamonkey 1 and or 2 i need somethi9ng tested16:07
micahgIt didn't build in amd6416:07
micahghttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/firefox-3.5/3.5~b4+nobinonly-0ubuntu116:07
asactonyyarusso: could be. personally, i dont have a strong opinion about this. imo its an upstream decision16:07
asacif you think its bad filing a bug upstream would be appropriate with better suggestions16:07
tonyyarussoasac: Fair enough.16:07
asacmicahg: yeah. probably a transistional issue. let me retry16:08
micahgok16:08
micahgthanks16:08
micahgI can install from karmic repos16:08
tonyyarusso("But yapping here or using Launchpad is so much easier than tracking down where to do it upstream!")16:08
gnomefreakmay cause bugs that mozilla cant fix ;)16:08
micahgonce it's rebuilt16:08
gnomefreakasac: ubufox doesnt give that dialog?16:08
asacmicahg: did xulrunner-1.9 build?16:08
asactonyyarusso: file a bug against bugzilla.mozilla.org ... against firefox -> general ;)16:09
micahgyep16:09
micahgoops16:09
micahgwrong version16:09
micahgit's 1.9.0.1016:09
micahg1.9.1 is the one for 3.516:10
micahgnope, not for amd6416:10
asacyeah16:10
gnomefreakfailed for 64bit and built for rest of archs?16:11
micahghttp://launchpadlibrarian.net/26299637/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-amd64.xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1~b4%2Bnobinonly-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:11
micahgno, not all of the archs, just i386 and lpia16:11
gnomefreakoh16:12
micahggnome and gtk deps are out of date16:12
gnomefreakits deps not xulrunner16:12
micahgright16:12
micahgor so it seems16:12
gnomefreakkarmic has these versions it seems so maybe its just PPA that failed let me check all of them16:13
gnomefreakthe versions are too high karmi has lower versions16:15
micahgso how did i386 and lpia build?16:16
gnomefreakthey should be >= 2.24 or around that anyway16:16
gnomefreakmicahg: not sure that is a goo question but if you policy each one you will see karmic versions are 2.24 where the ones in PPA are 2.13 or 2.1*16:17
gnomefreaklibgnomecanvas2-dev should be 2.26.0-1 not >=2.6 just one exampler16:18
gnomefreak-r16:18
asacmicahg: ok all builds are retried16:19
gnomefreakthose need to be fixed in the gtk and gnomeui libs16:19
asacif they fail again let me know16:19
gnomefreakasac: they willl unless you changed something16:19
asacgnomefreak: the failure is understood16:20
gnomefreak>= 2.6.0 is greater than 2.2616:20
asacno need to investigate16:20
asacit was a temporary issue16:20
gnomefreakoh16:20
asaclibcairo-dev not being fulfillable because they were in universe16:20
asacthats fixed afaik and so hopefully respin now works16:20
gnomefreakah ok16:21
gnomefreakthat makes sense16:21
gnomefreaki didnt look high enough before16:22
gnomefreakasac: ment to ask where would {python:version} get its version from? what source file16:24
gnomefreakwell for that fact any {*:version} depend16:24
gnomefreakyes i know python may have a different file listing them but i am not seeing it16:28
gnomefreaki would have thought it would use version installed on system16:30
micahgwhat type of info should I request for bug 36770616:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 367706 in firefox "Firefox and epiphany won't start. "Bus error"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36770616:52
micahgdo I need to start with a backtrace?16:53
asacmicahg: that should be fixed by now16:53
asacmicahg: we had a problem with toolchain when karmic opened16:53
micahgupdating packages now16:53
asacmicahg: hmm. but user says its jaunty16:54
asacmicahg: we need a strace -f -eopen firefox 2>&1 | tee /tmp/ffox.log.txt16:54
asaci have the feeling it pulls in some files the user installed somewhere in the /usr hirarchy manually at some point16:54
micahgok16:55
micahgasac: just have the user attach?16:55
asacmicahg: yeah. ask him to start firefox like that and attach the log after it crashed16:56
asacbesides from that bus errors are really rare on x86 architectures16:56
asaceither its a complete messed up binary16:56
asacor its a hardware issue usually16:56
micahgoops16:57
micahgshould have had him do apport collect as well so we know what version16:57
asacmicahg: maybe. i think the strace will show that he is running something messed up16:57
micahgok16:57
micahgI'll wait and see16:58
asaceither a manually installed firefox ... or he has some locally installed libs and so on16:58
micahgstrace will show that?16:58
asacmicahg: the strace command above shows all the files firefox opens during its run ... so yeah it will reveal what the user is running16:58
asacor if the user has libs in /usr/local or something16:58
asacmicahg: try it ;)16:59
micahgwow, that's a cool tool16:59
asacits often helpful if things dont go away with fresh profile and still sound too fatal to be true16:59
asaci mean if it was a real issue then we would get flooded by bugs ;)16:59
micahgindeed17:02
micahgwhat's the difference between strace and backtrace?17:02
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asacmicahg: strace lets you monitor syscalls17:05
asacbacktrace is a way to look at the call stack of a program17:05
asacwhich is a snapshot17:05
asacusually at the time a crash happens17:05
asacbut you can also gdb into a program and get a backtrace at any point of time17:05
asacmicahg: syscalls are simplified speaking the communication between userspace (program) and kernel17:05
asacso with strace you can guess what the program is doing17:06
micahgok, that's good to know17:07
asacfor us its usually just useful to see which files the firefox actually uses17:11
asacyou can find out if user has some bogus flashplugins installed somewhere and so on17:11
micahgasac: when I tried to upgrade FF3.5, it didn't require the new xulrunner19:35
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micahgasac: when I tried to upgrade FF3.5, it didn't require the new xulrunner21:04
asacmicahg: yeah21:08
asacdoes it work anyway?21:08
micahgI didn't try21:08
asacwe didnt bump minimum version i think21:08
micahgI wanted to check with you first21:08
asacwhich hopefully is ok21:08
micahgwell, minimum is 1.9.1~b4~21:08
micahgso it didn't ask me to upgrade from preb421:09
asacyes. but does firefox-3.5 stil start/work ?21:09
micahgI'll try it21:09
micahghold on21:09
asacif its broken we should have bumped the minimum version21:09
asacotherwise its ok to not bump the minimum version21:09
asacoverly tight dependencies are not really good practice usually21:09
micahgI thought FF and xulrunner were tight though?21:10
micahgThis is a nice touch: Please restart all running instances of firefox-3.5, or you will experience problems.21:11
micahgbut, I think maybe it should actuall pause the install until the user confirms21:11
micahgI fyou use the GUI install, you won't even see that line21:11
micahgall the major stuff works21:13
micahgbut, I would think I want the fixes in xulrunner as well21:13
micahgisn't that the core for ff?21:13
asacmicahg: in our main browser with ubufox we display a notificatrion "restart" and button to restart21:21
micahgok, cool, but ubufox doesn't work on 3.5 yet ;)21:22
asacmicahg: if you have ubufox, try sudo touch /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/firefox-3.0-restart-required21:22
asacmicahg: no its not compatible yet. my fault21:22
micahgthat's ok21:22
micahgjust want to make sure it's in teh final version21:22
micahgoops21:23
micahgI just installed xulrunner-1.9.1~b421:23
micahgCould not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b4pre and 1.9.1b4pre.21:23
asacmicahg: did the install finish?21:24
micahgyep21:24
asaconce ~b4 is completely installed it should work21:24
asachmm21:24
yamohi21:24
asacwell firefox needs to be ~b4 too21:24
asacbut we have no real mechanism except Breaks: to enforce rdepends21:24
micahgboth are21:24
asacwhich causes lots of collateral damage21:24
asacso we dont do that21:24
asacmicahg: are you sure it still happens after all has finished?21:25
micahgI think it's a config issue in the xulrunner package21:25
micahgCould not find compatible GRE between version 1.9.1b4pre and 1.9.1b4pre.21:25
micahgthey're the same21:25
micahgand not the version I have anymroe21:25
asacmicahg: dpkg -L xulrunner-1.9.1 | grep gre.d21:25
asacplease paste the content of the file that comes out of that21:25
micahg/etc/gre.d21:26
micahg/etc/gre.d/1.9.1b4.system.conf21:26
micahgoops21:26
micahgsorry21:26
asacthe content?21:26
micahg[1.9.1b4]21:26
micahgGRE_PATH=/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.1b421:26
micahgxulrunner=true21:26
micahgabi=x86_64-gcc321:26
asachmm21:26
asacyeah21:26
asacmessy21:26
asacso we should have bumped the build-depends lower version21:26
asacof firefox21:26
asactoo bad21:26
micahgno, this is after I upgrade xulrunner21:27
micahgis there something else I need to upgradE>21:27
micahgboth xulrunner and FF3.5 are at b421:28
asacmicahg: no. the firefox-3.5 build is messed up because we dont have opened up the maxVersion yet21:28
micahgah21:28
micahgok21:28
asacmicahg: edit /usr/lib/firefox-3.5b4/application.ini21:28
asacand change maxVersion21:29
micahghttp://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.5b4/whatsnew/21:29
micahgworked :)21:29
asacmicahg: ok uploading21:30
micahgI've gotta go21:30
micahgI can do more testing tonight21:30
micahgmail me from LP if you need me to check anything else21:30
asacmicahg: sure. dont know if there is anything to test for today though21:31
micahgok21:31
micahgtytl21:31
micahgttyl21:31
asaccu21:31
micahgthanks for the help21:31
micahgI'm assuming this is better than filing bugs?21:32
asacsometimes the turnaround is quicker21:32
micahgok21:32
asacif its something like this min/max version thing i certainly want to know in person ;)21:32
micahggtg21:32
micahgok21:32
micahgwill keep in mind21:32
asacmicahg: are you subscribed to the mozilla-bugs mailing list?21:47
asacmicahg: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs21:48
jcastroasac: check this out yo: http://code.google.com/p/gears/issues/detail?id=33522:42
jcastroasac: so I was thinking a nice gears/prism bundle for karmic would be awesome.22:42
asacjcastro: let me puncture this potential mess ;)22:45
asacto see how much blood comes out of it22:46
BUGabundocwillu: ping22:46
jcastroasac: heh, yeah22:46
jcastroasac: I got it all working manually before I moved to 64 bit22:47
asacwhat i see still looks insane ;)22:47
jcastroasac: so theoretically it works22:47
asacthe svn has a full copy of all libs in the world ;)22:47
BUGabundoLOL22:47
BUGabundouau22:47
jcastroasac: so it's like all the other google stuff then. :p22:47
BUGabundonow I know where to look when I need one22:47
asacjcastro: yeah. actually i think the gears tree is the chromium tree22:47
jcastroI think it is too22:48
asacor read somewhere that the copied the gears tree to work on chromium ;)22:48
asacso seems at least they noticed that maintaining duplicates is a mess ;)22:48
asacA    gears-read-only/third_party/gecko_1.8/osx/gecko_sdk/include/private/pprthred.h22:48
asaclol22:48
asacthere is full gecko_1.8 ;)22:49
asacaka ffox 222:49
asacoh false alert ... its just the sdk22:49
jcastrolook at the things you go through to bring offline gmail and calendar to the masses!22:49
asachmm22:50
asaci will add that to the mozilla related karmic list i guess22:50
asacwill the svn checkout ever end?22:50
jcastro<322:50
asaci guess i can get a beer first22:50
asacat least its past gecko1.9 now ;)22:51
asacjcastro: so has chrome this gears thing integrated by default?22:52
asacdo you know?22:52
jcastroyes22:52
jcastrobut it doesn't work in linux yet22:52
jcastroso if you go into chromium and try to enable offline access it doesn't work22:52
asacyeah22:57
asacok22:57
asacjust was wondering in general22:57
jcastroasac: I think a nice offline-capable thing for laptops would be compelling22:58
jcastroasac: then we can just avoid the evolution/thunderbird conversations!22:59
BUGabundoeheh23:00
BUGabundobut those Mozilla already allows us to even set FF to use NM offline state?23:01
asacBUGabundo: dont understand what you mean23:09
jcastroyeah dude seriously23:09
asacBUGabundo: ffox 3 has offline state detection through NM23:09
asacBUGabundo: ffox 3.5 and later has it disabled by default23:10
asacthats upstream decision not our23:10
asacjcastro: whats the gmail market share? are there other webapps than google ones that support gears already?23:10
BUGabundoasac: I know. that's why I stated if upstream reverted23:10
jcastroI don't know, do you want me to find out?23:10
jcastrothe other one would be calendar23:10
BUGabundoasac: WP does and a few others23:11
jcastrothat are packaged via prism in the archive I mean23:11
asacjcastro: well. if its just google, the its just a missing feature ... if the world started using this then we block innnovation ;)23:11
jcastrooh, other sites use gears, I was talking about the stuff that's in the archive already that can use it23:11
asacBUGabundo: upstream reverted because there were too many loud voices complaining that NM tells offline if they dont use NM23:11
BUGabundoasac: wasn't that a 3.0.x bug and latter fixed?23:12
asacBUGabundo: no, firefox later has online/offline detection turned off23:12
asaci dont call that a fix23:12
asacthey just stopped innovate in that area ... which needs to be fixed by providing something better than NM for online/offline detection23:12
BUGabundook23:13
BUGabundogood to know23:13
BUGabundonow I'll stop nagging, before jcastro gets even madder at me ;)23:13
jcastroI'm not mad, I just can't understand anything you say23:14
jcastroasac: I'm prepared to convince you at UDS with beers as to why this is a good idea23:14
asacjcastro: its a great idea ;) ... the problem is that the resources are finite ... i hope we can put this under the chromium umbrella as some parts of third_party definitly needs to be figured there too23:15
jcastromaybe we can build it out of the chromium tree or something23:15
jcastrocool, I just wanted it on your radar to discuss at UDS23:15
jcastroso you can tell me no in person, heh23:16
asacif we could get rid of the gecko sdk copies we would manage to eliminate 300M from the tarball ;)23:17
asacthats about half of the size23:17
asacfrom what i see that seems doable and even upstreamable i guess23:17
BUGabundojcastro: really? is my written English *that* bad? I know that sometimes I don't express my self clearly, but that statement makes me wonder where the prob is!23:17
asacmaybe we can get rid of the v8 thrid party tree which is 158M23:18
asac;)23:18
asacthis probably isnt used for the xulrunner build anyway23:18
asac(i hope)23:18
asacholy crap ... why does gears ship sound stuff?23:19
asacjcastro: ? did you ever hear any sound comning out of it ;)23:19
BUGabundonope23:25
BUGabundoasac: more probs for the audio team ? LOL23:25
dtchenplease no.23:26
BUGabundodtchen: ehehehehe23:29
asaci enjoy great sound after updateing to proposed23:37
BUGabundoasac: great23:37
BUGabundodidn't it already hit -updates?23:37
asacnot sure ;)23:39
dtchenasac: your symptoms were likely resolved due to linux, not really pulseaudio23:40
dtchenunfortunately, so many HDA controllers are broken. what constituted an improvement for you was a nasty regression for others.23:40
asachmm23:41
BUGabundodtchen: eheh23:41
dtchenasac: see /proc/version_signature23:42
asacyeah. i didnt doubt i got the fix through linux23:44
* asac out for today23:59

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