[00:00]  * neversfelde rocks to Oasis
[00:00] <neversfelde> so I am a Blur Fan, shoul sleep noe, no? :)
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu
[00:01]  * apachelogger didn't understand a word
[00:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you'll need to edit the vcs fields in control :D
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> quite true
[00:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, you might want to steal .bzr-builddeb (or something like that) from a KDE branch
[00:02] <apachelogger> it makes builddeb know that it is a packaging-only branch
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> hmm, hidden so well I didn't know of its existence
[00:03] <apachelogger> that is why I am telling you :)
[00:03] <apachelogger> background magic is the best kind of magic
[00:04] <apachelogger> hm
[00:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you know ... how about batrc  ... to automate the getting of a new .batrc? ;-)
[00:05] <apachelogger> clearly someone other than me should be writing it :P
[00:07] <apachelogger> File.delete(".batrc") if File.exist(".batrc") and File.exist(".batrc_path"); require 'bat'
[00:07] <apachelogger> something like that :P
[00:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: so, 4.2.3 looking good?
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: kinda sorta
[00:12] <Riddell> only kindae?
[00:12] <JontheEchidna> turns out kdebase-workspace still needs testbuilt
[00:12]  * nhandler is testbuilding it now
[00:14] <Riddell> also new akonadi needed http://download.akonadi-project.org/
[00:14] <Riddell> 1.1.2
[00:14] <nhandler> Bleh, it might take a little longer. It just failed in the build and I need to resolve and error installing "/tmp/buildd/kdebase-workspace-4.2.3/obj-i486-linux-gnu/lib/plasma_engine_applicationjobs.so"
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, I have that for karmic at least
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 372700
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> uses pkg-kde-tools now
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> I haven't had a chance to test what with the archive being like it is
[00:16] <JontheEchidna> s/test/testbuild
[00:17] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: how about https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase/powerdevil-ubuntu ?
[00:20] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: apachelogger: Any objections to me uploading base-workspace to k-n to test build? My dumb live cd is giving me out of space errors that are interfering with the build. It got pretty far, so I think it should build fine
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: staging is going on in -experimental this time
[00:20] <JontheEchidna> k-n's LP page is on the fritz
[00:20] <apachelogger> as long as someone built it and ensured all stuff is installed that is fine with me
[00:21] <nhandler> apachelogger: It hasn't built yet, that was why I was going to upload to k-n
[00:21] <apachelogger> well, ppa builds ain't gonna run list-missing
[00:21] <apachelogger> of course you could fiddel it in via debian/rules
[00:21] <apachelogger> then you can also upload
[00:22] <apachelogger> but one way or another a list-missing needs to be done
[00:22] <nhandler> So what would you guys suggest doing. I will not be able to get a complete build done on my machine.
[00:23] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can you testbuild?
[00:23] <apachelogger> otherwise send it my way
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> it'd take ~3.5 hours, but yeah
[00:23] <apachelogger> but I am going to bed, so I will only be able to do it in like 8 hours or something
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> ~3.5 beats 8
[00:23] <apachelogger> true
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> but it'll probably finish after I'm in bed
[00:24]  * apachelogger needs to determine the best way on how to get the list-missing done in buildd builds for cases like this one
[00:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: make a script to send a mail ;-)
[00:25]  * JontheEchidna ponders how to do that
[00:25] <JontheEchidna> if I were a video game character, shell scripting would be my secret weakpoint
[00:25] <apachelogger> good question indeed
[00:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: add ?batch=1 to the kubuntu-ninjas URL
[00:26] <JontheEchidna> nhandler: send it my way
[00:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: anyway, I am sure you'll find a way ... otherwise I'll just build when I am up
[00:26] <nhandler> Doing that now JontheEchidna
[00:26] <nhandler> Riddell: What does that do?
[00:28] <Riddell> shows only 1 package at a time
[00:28] <nhandler> :)
[00:28] <nhandler> apachelogger: JontheEchidna: sent
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> got it
[00:30] <nhandler> :)
[00:30] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Please let me know if it FTBFS. I don't think it will, but i'm not promising anything
[00:31]  * JontheEchidna nods
[00:31] <nhandler> apachelogger: I sent it to you too just in case
[00:33] <neversfelde> someone ready to have a look at bug 370009
[00:33] <neversfelde> :)
[00:35] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I need a helping hand with bug 370520
[00:36] <neversfelde> not sure what I have to do next
[00:37] <neversfelde> I should probably ask on the devel list, but apachelogger told me to ask a core-dev contender :)
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> maybe he meant libkdepim4 in the bug title?
[00:43]  * JontheEchidna looks at the bug
[00:46] <Riddell> ta da https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[00:46] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: so what has been done so far on your part?
[00:46]  * JontheEchidna needs to know that before he can answer "what next"
[00:48] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I discovered that kdepim-dev is a kubuntu thing, I think that a mergend debian package would be great
[00:48] <neversfelde> but I am very inexperienced with that
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> I think debian has a kdepim-groupware package
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> a merge would take care of this for karmic
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> for jaunty it'd probably be best to shove the .so into libkdepim4
[00:56] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: jey, there is a kdepim-groupware package in debian, I would love to write the SRU thing, but I cannot fix it by myself
[01:58] <seele> how do you fix blocked updates in kpackagekit?
[02:06] <dtchen> Riddell: do you use topal with alpine?
[03:30] <nhandler> JontheEchidna: Did it build?
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> no, the .dsc didn't have write permissions thanks to kmail :/
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> and I didn't notice it until 5 mins ago
[03:30] <nhandler> lol
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to start tomorrow, my parents usually turn off the computer if the fan runs after I go to bed
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> we should definitely be able to get it all done tomorrow though
[03:35]  * JontheEchidna out
[03:39] <nhandler> Ok, thanks again JontheEchidna
[06:59] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: ping
[07:15] <eagles0513875> das
[07:43] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope - didn't have time yet - will put it on my todo for today or tomorrow
[09:50] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: been having issues with wifi connectivity was told by someone upstream in plasma to upgrade to 964432 revision
[10:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: indeed I meant libkdepim4 :D
[10:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: please make more people admin for the ppa, you know how it is ... there is a 99% chance something needs to be done real quick while you are not around ;-)
[10:19] <Riddell> yep
[10:20]  * apachelogger just had a kickass idea for PPAs
[10:20] <Riddell> dtchen: topal?  alpine?
[10:22] <eagles0513875> what updates were pushed out yesterday
[11:26] <kwwii> Riddell: is the plasma theme in kubuntu-default-settings?
[11:26] <Riddell> kwwii: no it's in KDE
[11:30] <kwwii> Riddell: hrm? which package , I mean
[11:37] <kwwii> Riddell: nevermind
[11:56] <eagles0513875> just found out about a maltese version of aspell would it be better to get that included upstream or get it included in karmic
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have time to read through a proposal for PPA enhancement?
[12:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: could do
[12:03] <eagles0513875> anyone willing to package a newer snapshot of plasma-widget-network-manager for kubuntu-experimental ppa cuz some updates are reaking havock with it on 64bit jaunty
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/vppa.txt http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/rect5051.png
[12:07] <Riddell> "a Kubuntu users" -> "a Kubuntu user"
[12:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: reads good
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: sounds like a sensible proposal as well?
[12:07] <Riddell> yes I think  so
[12:08] <apachelogger> ok, thanks :)
[12:08] <Riddell> adds more complexity for devs
[12:08] <Riddell> well more power
[12:08] <Riddell> which leads to more complexity
[12:08] <apachelogger> well, one does not need to use it, but I think that grouping could do a lot of good
[12:08] <Riddell> right
[12:08] <apachelogger> especially since we use the PPAs so much for updates
[12:32] <ryanakca> Nightrose: did you receive the blurb to add for h.k.o?
[12:32] <ryanakca> Nightrose: sorry, misstab
[12:32] <Nightrose> ah ;-) ok
[12:32] <Nightrose> was wondering...
[12:33] <ryanakca> Nixternal: did you receive the blurb to add for h.k.o?
[12:33] <ryanakca> nixternal: Just in case, http://pastebin.ca/1412859
[12:45] <Lure> anybody else having notifications stay on forever with kde 4.2.3 from ppa?
[12:47] <eagles0513875> i did earlier
[12:47] <eagles0513875> then the download stopped
[12:52] <eagles0513875> bug 191889
[12:52] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdebase-workspace and kdebase still to be uploaded to -experimental?
[12:52] <Lure> eagles0513875: I think auto-hide does not work somehow
[12:53] <eagles0513875> i didnt get the 4.2.3 updates and when i try to update using the command line it doesnt find them
[12:54] <nixternal> ryanakca: groovy, thanks
[12:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: take the Ubuntu translation survey
[12:59] <Riddell> "/usr/include/linux/errno.h:4:23: error: asm/errno.h: No such file or directory"
[12:59] <Riddell> rar
[13:00] <eagles0513875> is there a problem with kubuntu-experimental ppa i have them added to my list but for some reason its not finding kde 4.2.3 for me
[13:07] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: did you import the gpg key to your kearing?
[13:07] <Mamarok> keyring* even
[13:07]  * Mamarok is taking the UT survey...
[13:07] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: i have it added to the authentication list on kpackage
[13:12] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: you must have a very strange system then, update worked like a charm here, amd64 bit
[13:12] <eagles0513875> ya amd64 here as well it had started downloading from kpackage then it developed an error
[13:14] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: I strongly suggest you check your system, maybe doing a clean install, it works and there is no error in the ppa AFAICT
[13:14] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: currently using it till i can get windows reinstalled on this desktop
[13:15] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: ill try run fsck which seems to be fixin lots of issues as of late
[13:16] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: do what you need to, but please don't flood this channel with unnecessary comments, support is in #kubuntu
[13:16] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: i know and wasnt trying to
[13:21] <Riddell> well, kde4libs isn't compiling and won't until the linux team add back errno.h
[13:21] <Riddell> can't compile anything else because we're blocking on the phonon transition
[13:21] <Riddell> so, meh
[13:25] <apachelogger> Mamarok: hm?
[13:28] <Mamarok> apachelogger: David Planella sent a survey for Ubuntu translations (all desktops)
[13:29] <Mamarok> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=cD9YG8FmceBQBbFyWAdOJg_3d_3d
[13:29] <Mamarok> to the translators ML
[13:30] <apachelogger> Mamarok: maybe you should forward to kubuntu-devel ;-)
[13:31] <Mamarok> will do right now :)
[13:33] <apachelogger> woah
[13:33] <apachelogger> basket to be discontinued
[13:33] <apachelogger> oh dear
[13:36] <eagles0513875> what no :(
[13:36] <eagles0513875> y
[13:36] <Mamarok> oh no, I began to like it...
[13:36] <eagles0513875> *why
[13:36] <eagles0513875> im using it right now and i love it
[13:39] <apachelogger> well take over development then :P
[13:39] <eagles0513875> hell i will if i can figure out how to program lol
[13:39] <eagles0513875> we should
[13:40] <apachelogger> There have been a few articles recently trying to estimate the number of Linux users, which is apparently a challenging problem. However I have to wonder why it can't be figured out at least at the distro level by simply storing hashes of IP addresses that hit Canonical's update site, and looking at the number of unique ones each week/month.
[13:40] <apachelogger> rofl
[13:40] <apachelogger> first get a course in how the intartubes work and then talk about ip addresses in the public nety
[13:41]  * eagles0513875 thinks apachelogger gone off deep end
[13:41] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: get a book about software design, one about c++, one about qt, read them and then you can go ahead work on basket :P
[13:42] <eagles0513875> got one already lol on c++ foudn link with 20 free books
[13:42] <apachelogger> eventually you should get some more books as you go along ... something about writing efficient code and stuff
[13:42] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: speaking of translations how can i get a maltese aspell package added for karmic or should i get it added via upstream
[13:43] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: read back a few month of the archive and you will never ask again...
[13:43] <apachelogger> if there is no upstream version available then you will have to do it upstream as it will be hard finding a sponsor for non-upstream work in these regards
[13:43] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:44] <apachelogger> Mamarok: did the archive eat the maltese aspell?
[13:44] <eagles0513875> i found out about it from the lug here
[13:50] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: was told if  it doesnt exists upstream not to request it :(
[13:50] <apachelogger> don't unstand
[13:50] <apachelogger> *understand
[13:50] <eagles0513875> i dont either
[13:50] <apachelogger> + you don't request such things
[13:50] <apachelogger> you do them
[13:50] <eagles0513875> which i wont have time for till the 19th of may
[13:51] <eagles0513875> then i can break and package stuff to my hearts content
[13:51] <apachelogger> there ain't people working on apsell that learn languages for the fun of it, just to create the appropriate dicts
[13:52] <eagles0513875> i know someone did it for a reason
[13:53] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: there is an aspell-mt, just google for it (hint: you can install rpm packages with alias)...
[13:53] <eagles0513875> interesting not really installing it but since you have a long list of aspell packages in repo would it hurt to have that added
[13:56] <apachelogger> !info alias
[13:56] <apachelogger> eh
[13:56] <apachelogger> Mamarok: isn't that like alien?
[13:56] <apachelogger> alias is pretty much a bash function :D
[13:56] <Mamarok> right, my bad...
[13:56] <apachelogger> dpm: it would appear to me that a lot of aspell dicts are missing from both debian and ubuntu
[13:57] <apachelogger> dpm: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/aspell/dict/0index.html vs. http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=aspell- ... especially note how gnu got various -m* and debian only got 2
[13:58]  * Mamarok gets herself a very strong tea
[13:58] <apachelogger> since ubuntu pulls those dicts directly from debian it looks exactly alike on our side
[13:58] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: i have tried alien and things didnt end up very pretty
[13:58] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: for what package did you try it?
[13:58] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: that always worked well for me so far
[13:58] <eagles0513875> it was a while ago so i dont remember
[13:58] <apachelogger> ah well
[13:59] <eagles0513875> i used to use it back in edgy when i started lol
[13:59] <eagles0513875> isnt it always better to have a .deb then stay converting
[13:59] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: also get a book about unix, one about linux internas, and one about the variou slinux packaging systems
[13:59] <apachelogger> eventually you will understand why alien doesn't work for most packages but probably will just fine for stuff like aspell-mt
[14:00]  * eagles0513875 not made in my basket
[14:48] <Riddell> ooh, apachelogger uploaded kdebase-workspace
[14:48] <Riddell> now, where's kdebase I wonder?
[14:49] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, vorian?
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> dunno, vorian never sent it to me which means either: a) he never got it, or b) he just forgot to send it
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger did kdebase anyhow, so it shouldn't be too much of a problem :)
[14:50]  * Riddell eyes up apachelogger 
[14:50]  * apachelogger notes that he deleted kdebase after batsend :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> one really shouldn't do staging in experimental anyway :P
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please retry amarok though
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> okie-day
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> messa retryin' amarok
[14:52] <Riddell> so nobody has kdebase?
[14:53] <apachelogger> google has
[14:53] <Riddell> huh?
[14:53]  * apachelogger sent via gmail :P
[14:53] <vorian> JontheEchidna: never got it
[14:54] <vorian> Riddell: check yet inbox
[14:55] <vorian> JontheEchidna: sorry, that was supposed to be a question as in
[14:55] <vorian> never got it?
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> oh, it seems it went to trash for some reason
[14:56]  * JontheEchidna should hav checked there first
[14:56] <apachelogger> hehe
[14:56] <Riddell> why aren't they just uploaded to kubuntu-ninjas?  that's what it's for
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: jonny failed to use the lunchpad interface I think ;-)
[14:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:57] <apachelogger> base is going up
[14:57] <apachelogger> if it fails it is all Tonio_'s fault
[14:57] <Riddell> everything ids
[14:57]  * apachelogger needs to get sis from train station
[14:57] <Riddell> anyone tested these packages yet?
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> probably not
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> [15:38:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: upload it to kubuntu-experimental
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> that was a few days ago I think
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> context:
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> [15:36:51] <JontheEchidna> except I can't visit the kubuntu-ninjas ppa page to see if anything's up there yet :(
[15:03] <JontheEchidna> lex79: you weren't supposed to bump phonon, there wasn't a new one this time
[15:04] <lex79> JontheEchidna: yes, my fault
[15:04] <lex79> and now? :)
[15:04]  * JontheEchidna is fixing it
[15:05]  * JontheEchidna barfs
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> new arora defaults to plastique
[15:05] <eagles0513875> ?
[15:06] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks, 	
[15:06] <lex79> I shall be more careful next time
[15:06] <lex79> :P
[15:08] <neversfelde> Riddell: this is a reminder in case plasma-widget-customizable-weather :)
[15:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hu ?
[15:15] <nixternal> ryanakca: ping?
[15:20] <lex79> apachelogger: kardioripper is ready
[15:20] <Riddell> neversfelde: what about it?
[15:21] <neversfelde> Riddell: you wanted to have a look at it because of a md5sum missmatch once it is in the archive
[15:22] <Riddell> oh aye
[15:23] <Riddell> ah but nothing is installable currently
[15:23] <Riddell> so that won't work
[15:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: 15:15 < icefox> Riddell: 0.6 does not, but you can override is with -style oxygen, .7 which is coming out in two weeks will again default to whatever kde decideds
[15:24] <Riddell> arora and style
[15:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: kdetoys misses ~jaunty1~ppa1 in its version
[15:32] <lex79> Riddell: I send kdetoys to vorian but it has wrong dep (libphonon-dev >= 4:4.3.2), also kdegames
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oops
[15:39] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do we want to keep around the desktop-effects-kde package? It seems rather unmaintained, and KDE has its own desktop effects stuff now
[15:40] <Riddell> I think that can go
[15:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I'm looking in kubuntu-experimental, kdeartwork? seems missing
[15:44] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, I haven't got to it yet
[15:45] <lex79> JontheEchidna: ok, remember to fix kdegames before upload
[15:53] <a|wen_> I've uploaded a new plasma-widget-network-manager to kubuntu-experimental ... and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kububntu/PlasmaWidgetNetworkManager/ updated
[15:58] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: ^
[16:14] <nixternal> mass doc cleanup in effect!
[16:15] <nixternal> jjesse will go crazy when he does his next bzr update :)
[16:18] <tomsdale> Will KDE 4.3 be available in jaunty as a regular update or as a backport (if at all)?
[16:20] <Riddell> backport is the plan
[16:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: :) ty i need it cuz wired connectivity is totally dead with the old snapshot :) will give it a try when i get home right now remotely connected to this desktop
[16:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: is the updated package in kubuntu-experimental repo
[16:35] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: okay; please test and report your findings on the test-page ... and the updated package is in kubuntu-experimental
[16:36] <eagles0513875> ok along with 4.2.3 hopefully ill be able to get the updated network manager
[16:37] <a|wen_> might be that you actually need kde 4.2.3 to get it installed ... we'll see; else i need to find another place for testing it
[16:38] <eagles0513875> thing is i was downloading it this morning then an error occured trying to get it after updating via command line does find it :(
[16:38] <eagles0513875> is there an updated kde-base to be used with 4.2.3
[16:39] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: kde 4.2.3 is still stack-building ... it will hopefully be ready over the next half day or so
[16:39] <eagles0513875> i think running dpkg from init 1 runlevel hs found bout 56 new packages but cannot connect atm :(
[16:41] <apachelogger> lex79: if you say so :P
[16:41] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: static ips work i think though for users who use them we need to add a wiki with the cidr prefixes since thats what it uses
[16:50] <nixternal> do you think all static ip users even know wth cidr is? and why would they need to know anyways? I think cidr is way beyond anything that we need to document for a user
[16:58] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: well, you need to know networkmask in many other places to configure it ... and cidr does actually seem more human to me than networkmask :)
[16:58] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: granted but someone not versed in network will have issues with it the dev said that is probably gonna change to subnetmask
[16:59] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: does it work with cidr in the version released in jaunty?
[16:59] <eagles0513875> wifi static ip works with cidr
[17:00] <eagles0513875> but with the init.d script it wont release the dhcp address and switch to static
[17:00] <a|wen_> okay
[17:00] <eagles0513875> complete reboot is required to use have it switch to static
[17:00] <eagles0513875> wired i have no way of testing at the moment
[17:02] <a|wen_> crappy east-asian mirrors not getting updated regularly
[17:02]  * a|wen_ switches as he have been waiting for -proposed packages for days
[17:04] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/okular ... should i just move all of those that is not concerning gutsy to kdegraphics?
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: yeah
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> we can close all the gutsy ones
[17:05] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: most of the bugs seem to be rather new ... so have low hopes of closing any of them
[17:13] <a|wen_> nope, all of them was intrepid or jaunty
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> oh well
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> could I forward kdegames to someone for uploading?
[17:20] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: of course
[17:22] <a|wen_> andreas-wenning@<our-usual-domain>
[17:34] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: I sent it to your awen.dk address
[17:35] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: well, they both end in the same pile of mail ... I've got it; now i just need ti download the tar to upload it
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> okie
[17:35] <apachelogger> oh... I just realized ,,, last time I ate something was yesterday noon
[17:36] <eagles0513875> go get somethign to eat lol unless your on a starvation diet
[17:36] <a|wen_> apachelogger: so it was a eating strike you were on :)
[17:36] <apachelogger> well
[17:36] <apachelogger> no
[17:36] <apachelogger> at least not by intention
[17:37]  * a|wen_ hands apachelogger a cookie
[17:37] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: regarding vpn can i setup one over wifi on my internal home network
[17:38] <apachelogger> a|wen_: that won't do any good
[17:39] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: you can try ... test to make it work without the widget; and then see if you can connect to the same with the widget
[17:40] <a|wen_> apachelogger: i'd have offered you some noodles ... but just finished eating them myself
[17:41] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: trying to plan ahead as to what i need to setup to do some proper testing
[17:43] <apachelogger> oh dear
[17:47] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: another thing i just remembered there are going to be issues between hardware switches of laptops and the software switches for the wifi because earlier i had my wifi turned off and the im guessing the widget kept turning it on when i had it disabled and i kept loosing connection to the network after about and hr and reboot was required to reconnect
[17:47]  * eagles0513875 apologises for the super long sentence
[17:49] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: probably ... i'm currently mostly interested if you find any regressions in the new widget
[17:51] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: ok how can i post my findings on the wiki page you linked me
[17:52] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: have an account on LP, log in to the wiki, click edit and add your name + did it work + did it work in 9.04 + bug# in the fields
[17:52] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[17:54] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: would you prefer i edit the wiki or put together a spread sheet with details on each part of what to test
[17:55] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: i prefer you edit the wiki-page ... that is what it is there for
[17:56] <eagles0513875> ok. can i make a suggestion for it
[17:56] <eagles0513875> have a column to put in what step that the person is on
[17:58] <neversfelde> apachelogger: plasma-widget-daisy seems to be buildable again
[17:58] <neversfelde> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-daisy
[17:58] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: you are free to add that in the long description in the "broken" part
[17:59] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> once kdegames, the fixed kdeartwork and fixed kdewebdev-kde4 are up, we should be done with KDE 4.2.2
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> *4.2.3
[18:12] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: if you dont mind i added another column to the wiki so that if something is broken there wont be issues
[18:13] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: the idea is that you will do a complete test if you write it as okay or not
[18:13] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: what was the idea with the columt?
[18:14] <eagles0513875> put down what step was tested so we know whats been tested and what not
[18:15] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: if you do a test you do all of the steps
[18:16] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: please remove it again ... but if you need some place to specify some more content, you can add a "comment" column furthest to the right
[18:21] <eagles0513875> ok
[18:24] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: corrected
[18:26] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: thanks ... as said, you need to test all the steps to mark as completed; if you need to stop some way through due to a bug, you just mark that, and if you want add in the comments which step it was if you like
[18:26] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: fixed my bug with wired on previous snapshot i think
[18:26] <a|wen_> good :)
[18:27] <eagles0513875> one of the updates that was rolled out yesterday made a change to the interfaces file and removed auto eth0 to auto connect
[18:28] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I'm copying over the packages which have compiled
[18:29] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: interesting fixed it but on previous snapshot it isnt changing the icon
[18:29] <eagles0513875> brb
[18:45] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: another test we need to do is see how the network manager reacts with adding static ip's to the /etc/network/interfaces file
[18:48] <hunger> Any plans for kde 4.2.3 in jaunty yet?
[18:48] <Riddell> hunger: want to test it?
[18:48] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: it will most likely ignore the interface
[18:48] <Riddell> hunger: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[18:48] <hunger> Riddell: Sure, why not.
[18:48] <Riddell> hunger: let me know if it works for you then I'll announce
[18:51] <hunger> Riddell: I'm downloading... that will take a while.
[18:57] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: ping
[19:00] <Mamarok> Riddell: is everything in the repo? Then congrats, works fine for amd64
[19:00] <apachelogger> lex79: kradioripper's watch needs some love
[19:01] <a|wen_> Mamarok: kdegames is still on the way...
[19:03] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: found first bug on wired already will update when i get home
[19:03] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: please remember to check if it is in the version released with 9.04 and add that info as well
[19:04] <eagles0513875> where can i check that
[19:06] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: last question cuz i know your fedup of me but tester should be my lp user name
[19:07] <lex79> apachelogger: ok, I will try to change the watch file
[19:07] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: install the version from the official repository and check if the same problem you find is there ... and lp or irc name is fine
[19:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[19:09] <apachelogger> neversfelde: get another revu for daisy
[19:10] <neversfelde> apachelogger: thank you
[19:10] <neversfelde> another MOTU around with time to have a look at it?
[19:10] <neversfelde> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-daisy
[19:11]  * apachelogger high fives JontheEchidna
[19:11]  * JontheEchidna can revu some in a bit
[19:15]  * a|wen_ reads up on the last LWN ... 5 BSD releases in a week, that is a lot
[19:18] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: first bug posted
[19:24]  * Riddell holds breath until hunger came back
[19:24]  * eagles0513875 wishes people wouldnt mention being hungry i havent had dinner yet and its half 8
[19:26] <Riddell> hunger:  how's it looking?
[19:27] <Riddell> hunger: how di
[19:27] <Riddell> hunger: how did you upgrade?
[19:28] <hunger> Damn!
[19:28] <hunger> I told you twice about my still being in kde 4,2,2 on the wrong channel!
[19:28]  * hunger first did #decibel, then #kde-devel:-(
[19:28] <Riddell> :)
[19:29] <Riddell> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime_4%3a4.2.3-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu', which is also in package kdesudo
[19:29] <Riddell> hrm
[19:29] <hunger> Riddel: I added the repo, went into aptitude and pressed u followed by U and g g
[19:29] <eagles0513875> its still showing that im on 4.2.2 after issuing sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:29] <hunger> Riddel: Aptitude gives all (well, most) kde debs as being at version 4.2.3.
[19:30] <hunger> Some plasmoids are still at 4.2.2, but that is to be expected.
[19:30] <eagles0513875> same with kpackagekit and on command line
[19:30] <hunger> kdelibs, kdebase, etc. all are at 4.2.3 according to aptitude.
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 345776
[19:44]  * JontheEchidna reboots
[19:50] <maco> any of you that use languages with non-latin characters...have you noticed that kde apps get kinda....stupid...when scim's on?
[19:51] <maco> like they stop taking keyboard input? i have to restart kontact and quassel like 5-10 times each every day because they stop taking input
[19:51] <maco> has been suggested that this is because i have scim enabled
[19:57] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: mm, I just got that
[19:57] <Riddell> maco: scim is something else that we're woefully untested on
[19:57] <Riddell> maco: there's a new input plasmoid due in 4.3 though
[19:58] <maco> im just using the thing in the tray
[19:59] <maco> but its not like if i switch to japanese (or japanese and back to english) it stops taking input. i dont *do* anything to scim, but sometimes i just cant use my keyboard in some windows. and actually, its not the whole app, because ill be unable to type an email but then i can still do things like hit "a" to reply all on the kontact mail screen
[20:00] <maco> just not type in the composer.  and if i switch workspaces or windows over and over and over, ill suddenly be able to type in all of them again...sometimes. sometimes i give up and quit kontact and restart it
[20:00] <maco> no logic that ive noticed though for when it just stops working. except that it only happens in the kde apps i use. pidgin, gwibber, firefox..they're all fine
[20:05] <Riddell> well I concur with hunger, this thing calls itself 4.2.2
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> heh, didn't KDE do this last time with KDE 4.1.2 as well?
[20:08] <Riddell> CMakeLists.txt:set (KDE_VERSION_STRING "${KDE_VERSION} (KDE 4.2.2)")
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> er, 4.1.3
[20:08] <Riddell> let's check it's not our fault first
[20:09] <apachelogger> maybe wrong libs upload?
[20:09] <apachelogger> IIRC that happened once :P
[20:11] <a|wen_> kdegames baking in the PPA as well now
[20:12] <Riddell> CMakeLists.txt:set (KDE_VERSION_STRING "${KDE_VERSION} (KDE 4.2.3)")
[20:12] <Riddell> that's what's in the upstream tar
[20:12] <Riddell> so we got the wrong one uploaded somewhere along the way
[20:13] <maco> i'm attempting to ask in #ubuntu-jp if anyone uses kubuntu. i appended to include "and speak can speak english" because i cannot ask bug questions in japanese
[20:13] <apachelogger> yet again :D
[20:13] <Riddell> maco: freeflying might be someone to check with
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> debdiffing the packages seems to suggest that we have the correct tarball uploaded
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> maybe they updated the tars?
[20:13] <maco> Riddell: i'm trying to ping persia to use as a translator
[20:14] <maco> i assume that with living there, his japanese has to be much better than my 3-years-disuse-and-never-fluent-to-start-wth japanse
[20:14] <a|wen_> Riddell: i've got the wrong version here as well... got it from vorians secret place
[20:15] <Riddell> I don't know of any kdelibs update but that's the most likely explanation
[20:15] <a|wen_> they didn't want to tell anyone ;)
[20:16] <Riddell> I'm going for dinner, could someone upload the fixed tar
[20:20] <maco> supposing this input issue is a kde v. scim tug-of-war....which package would it go under?
[20:21] <ScottK> scim I would suggest.
[20:21] <Riddell> depends on who's fault it was
[20:21] <Riddell> both maybe initially
[20:22] <maco> ScottK: the fact that gnome apps are dandy makes me think not-scim though
[20:23] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[20:25] <maco> should i even file a bug if there's no how-to-reproduce?
[20:25] <maco> im thinking it wouldnt be a very useful bug in that case...except as a "yes, it happens, and we know it happens"
[20:26] <ScottK> Three cheers for human readable pacakge names: libmpfr1ldbl
[20:27] <Sput> I hope bash can do apt-get completion :)
[20:27] <ScottK> It can.
[20:27] <maco> Sput: it can. and i think that's the only reason anyone can get gnome-stracciatella-session installed
[20:27] <maco> sudo apt-get install gnome-strac<tab>
[20:27] <Sput> maco: the real question is, who wants to have gnome-* installed :)
[20:28]  * Sput pets his gnome-free boxen
[20:28] <maco> im not sure i really care anymore what DE's in use, as long as there's a window manager i like
[20:28] <maco> and the apps i want
[20:28] <Sput> in my case, that happens to be kwin and almost exclusively KDE apps :)
[20:30] <maco> i use pidgin because kopete forcibly alphabetizes groups, gwibber because it keeps things in tabs instead of opening a browser tab for everything like choqok does, firefox because of the extensions, kontact because it handles gmail's imap better and has nicer integration between the parts, quassel because irssi's ipv6 handling is broken, and terminator because i like it's split-screen better than konsole's
[20:30] <maco> s/it's/its/
[20:33] <lex79> apachelogger: I fixed watch file with so much love :P
[20:34] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Using System tray Icon made optional. and disabled by default.
[20:34] <neversfelde> :)
[20:35] <maco> Sput: and my preferred window manager is xmonad
[20:35] <Sput> interesting :)
[20:35] <apachelogger> neversfelde++
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ~karma neversfelde
[20:36] <kubotu> karma for neversfelde: 3
[20:36] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> ~karma c
[20:36] <kubotu> karma for c: 84
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> new kde4libs uploaded anyhow
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we need moar space for the kubuntu-ppa
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> new kdelibs got rejected because we're out of space
[20:42] <neversfelde> apachelogger: that LGPL hint is part of the GPL-3, so every package has to mention taht in debian/copyright?
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> we want 5 GB at least I'd say
[20:42] <neversfelde> and upstream has to include a full copy every time?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> would anybody be against me merging konversation from debian/experimental?
[20:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are they going to have their KDE4 release before Karmic?
[20:47] <JontheEchidna> dunno, but I've been using it for a month or so and haven't noticed any problems really
[20:47] <ScottK> No objection then.
[20:49] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: have you requested some more space then ... took only a few hours last time
[20:49]  * hunger is annoyed by doxygen maintainer not reacting to bugreports nor ML.
[20:50] <neversfelde> apachelogger: forget it, I was wrong
[20:50] <hunger> Damn... Quassel somehow puts all my messages into the wrong channels:-/
[20:50]  * hunger blames Quassel.
[20:50] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: where do you do that?
[20:51] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: question against soyuz in LP
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> thx
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> whoa, I think konvi got knotification support since I last svn up'd
[20:56] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: is it konversation for kde4?
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's KDE4-based
[20:56] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: how about features, is it usable now ?
[20:57] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: wouldn't miss quassel at all, if konvi for kde4 worked.
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> it's been usable for me for a while now
[20:57] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: sweet.
[20:57]  * _StefanS_ finds the compiler..
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> I haven't tried DCC yet (That's always been spotty for me, regardless of client)
[20:57] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: yea who cares about dcc :)
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+question/70329
[21:03] <a|wen_> is it enough to just upload the change ... or does the other apps gather this info compile-time?
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> uploading the change should be fine
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> all apps use the same about dialog, they just fill the app info themselves
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: neon got 6, that is pretty tight at times
[21:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ppa size that is :P
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I requested 10 to be safe
[21:05] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:05] <apachelogger> good idea
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> seems to be what k-n has
[21:06] <_StefanS_> ah sweet...
[21:06] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: works :D
[21:06] <JontheEchidna> :)
[21:06] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: could you try to message me, just to check the notifications part ?
[21:06] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: just a se
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: ok, but you might have to set the settings first
[21:07] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: works great
[21:07] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: could you try again ?
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: sure
[21:07] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: and another
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: do you see an amarok-y OSD or integrated plasma goodness?
[21:07] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: yuppers!
[21:07] <JontheEchidna> sweet
[21:07] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: works great
[21:08]  * JontheEchidna is compiling as we speak
[21:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: upload to kubuntu-experimental
[21:08] <Riddell> I can copy it over to avoid the disk space issue until they give us more
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: uploaded
[21:09] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: there's some alpha stuff which isn't that nice for the notification, but atleast it works
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: so all karmic apps need libphonon-dev replaced with libqt4-phonon-dev?
[21:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would vote for transitional package
[21:14] <a|wen_> don't we miss a few others in kubuntu-ppa as well?
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: ping me plesae
[21:14] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: hey
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> _StefanS_: again please
[21:14] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: woohoo
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> hum, no tray popup
[21:15] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: did you enable it ?
[21:15] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: I get that amarok looking notification
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> I enabled the OSD
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> meh, then they don't have knotification stuff yet :(
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> oh, the settings were messed up
[21:15] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: yup, mine was too
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> it was never set to highlight on my nick
[21:16] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: woohoo
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> ok, this time it should be  properly set
[21:16] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: ping ?!
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> works
[21:16] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: It would be nice if it would stack them like kopete does it
[21:16] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: part of the normal notifications for kde
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> it would be nice if it used regular knotification instead of the amarok stuff
[21:17] <Quintasan> kde-nightly is up?
[21:17] <_StefanS_> JontheEchidna: yep
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> but at least they updated the konversation icon when flashing :P
[21:17] <_StefanS_> heh
[21:17] <a|wen_> Riddell: you can copy artwork and webdev-kde4 from k-e as well
[21:18] <apachelogger> a|wen_: where to?
[21:18] <a|wen_> ~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[21:18] <apachelogger> you can do that as well
[21:18] <apachelogger> ninjas are member of -ppa
[21:20] <a|wen_> we are doing binary copying?
[21:21] <apachelogger> aye
[21:21] <apachelogger> would think so at least ;-)
[21:22] <a|wen_> looks like it
[21:24]  * a|wen_ fixes kdewebdev as well
[21:26] <nixternal> grr, I do not understand how Konqi can render our documentation index so bad when Firefox does it perfectly
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> oh crap
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: did I tell you that the phonon version in kdegames needed bumped down?
[21:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: can one even understand that :P
[21:28] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: no, you didn't ;)
[21:28] <a|wen_> already re-building in the PPA
[21:29] <a|wen_> and in the process of fixing kdewebdev as well
[21:30] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: but i catched the karmic in the changelog in kdegames at least :P
[21:30] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[21:31] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: webdev + games is the only two things missing to be copied atm
[21:34] <ryanakca> nixternal: pong? I only have a few seconds, but you can leave me whatever you'd like me to do... or we can get back to it in a few hours...
[21:35] <nixternal> actually it is KHTML because KHC can't do it either...this sucks
[21:35] <nixternal> ryanakca: I was going to ask for the code for the website, but stupid ol' me forget it is in LP...sorry about that
[21:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: Oh... KHTML != HTML?
[21:35] <ryanakca> Ah
[21:35] <ryanakca> All the interesting bits are in page.tpl.php
[21:35]  * nixternal tries validating this html to see what the issue is
[21:36] <nixternal> right, that is exactly the file I was going to ask for
[21:36] <ryanakca> I might not have uploaded the most recent version, just a sec... there was an ampersand in Community & support that was messing it up
[21:38] <ryanakca> nixternal: pushed
[21:38] <ryanakca> nixternal: Anyways, I need to make pasta dough for supper, I'll probably stop back in in half an hour or so
[21:38] <nixternal> roger that
[21:39] <nixternal> i won't be around...yard to mow :)
[21:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: libphonon-dev still exists as a dummy packge
[22:04] <eagles0513875> Quintasan1: ping
[22:09] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: ping
[22:09] <a|wen_> gnip
[22:09] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: just did a clean install on my desktop and seems like the same issue with wired cept alot worse
[22:10]  * apachelogger still thinks that it should be called weird :P
[22:10] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: its more of a royal pita
[22:10] <apachelogger> a weird royal pita
[22:11] <eagles0513875> im running the init.d networking restart command its not even picking up my routers dhcp
[22:11] <a|wen_> uhh, pita ,,, i miss that
[22:11] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: got a rather serious one in jaunty right now
[22:11] <ghostcube> thinks german gov gets crazy cause want to disallow paintball
[22:11] <ghostcube> :|
[22:12] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: don't mix the interfaces-files/init.d networking + the plasma-widget ... that is certainly going to fail
[22:12] <eagles0513875> well for starter it wasnt set in the network interfaces file to auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp so i added that
[22:12] <eagles0513875> before the was nothign and it still wasnt connecting
[22:12] <eagles0513875> trying with a static ip now
[22:12] <apachelogger> uh, amarok-nightly is coming a long nicely
[22:12] <apachelogger> should be all built in less than 6 hours
[22:13] <eagles0513875> on another note ready what apache said for the brighter side of thigns lol
[22:13] <apachelogger> hopefully before I go to bed, otherwise I can't kick-off kde-nightly upload
[22:13] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: you shouldn't need all that in the interfaces dile if you are using the widget ...
[22:13] <apachelogger> rickspencer3: btw, any news on netbook sponsoring
[22:13] <apachelogger> +? I suppose
[22:13] <eagles0513875> not even picking up a static ip from the widget that i set on a wired connection
[22:13] <rickspencer3> apachelogger: still working on it
[22:14] <apachelogger> ok :)
[22:14] <rickspencer3> my first two avenues didn't pan out, but I've got options
[22:14] <rickspencer3> still working it
[22:14]  * apachelogger hands rickspencer3 some cookies for the way
[22:14] <a|wen_> static ip + wired does not work with the version in jaunty that is known ... if it starts working; then great
[22:15] <apachelogger> a|wen_: when do the new minions arrive, btw?
[22:15] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: static or dhcp neither is working
[22:15] <eagles0513875> apachelogger: im his minion testing out the network manager widget
[22:16] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: did you mess around in the interfaces file putting things for the interfaces ... then i think n-m might start ignoring them
[22:16] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: auto eth0 and the other light then i removed it and rebooted again just now
[22:16] <eagles0513875> the connection is failing
[22:16] <a|wen_> apachelogger: he ... good question; we need some of them
[22:17] <eagles0513875> you got me for a start
[22:17] <eagles0513875> a| removed the static ip i had and now added home to the wired tab of it it seems to be stuck no setting network address
[22:18] <a|wen_> as long as dhcp works without messing in interfaces file i'm happy
[22:18] <eagles0513875> its not
[22:18] <a|wen_> and if kdelibs could finish building!
[22:19] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: "apt-cache policy plasma-widget-network-manager" ?
[22:19] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: default that comes with jaunty
[22:19] <a|wen_> oh ... then i don't care :)
[22:19] <eagles0513875> 930811
[22:20] <eagles0513875> :( and i have no wifi on my desktop
[22:20] <a|wen_> i want the new one to work ... so we can get it in jaunty-updates
[22:20] <eagles0513875> will do some more testing tomorrow
[22:20] <ghostcube> ok except of this all is installable now linux-restricted-modules-generic
[22:20] <eagles0513875> im going ape on this desktop atm
[22:21] <ghostcube> :)
[22:21] <ghostcube> good work guys
[22:21] <a|wen_> ghostcube: that one has nothing to do with us ... it is -proposed not caching up :)
[22:21] <eagles0513875> same here but for me its still showing im on 4.2.2
[22:21] <ghostcube> a|wen_: oh then forget it :)
[22:22] <a|wen_> an updated kde4libs that shows 4.2.3 is on the way
[22:22] <eagles0513875> ahhh ok
[22:22] <eagles0513875> thought i had a messed up installation
[22:22] <apachelogger> a|wen_: you new motus really need to drag some new contributors in
[22:22] <apachelogger> otherwise we will see a lack of growth pretty soon
[22:23] <ghostcube> btw what ius -motu meaning
[22:23] <apachelogger> that is no good with quality taking shape ever since I joined Kubuntu
[22:23] <apachelogger> the K needs constant care or it will rot :P
[22:24] <apachelogger> ghostcube: #ubuntu-motu
[22:24] <eagles0513875> its rotted outa the box apachelogger im getting constant plasma crashes
[22:24] <a|wen_> apachelogger: we'll didn't we have a new ninja again this time around :)
[22:24] <ghostcube> apachelogger: sure but what is the -motu standing for
[22:24] <ghostcube> :D
[22:25] <Mamarok> ghostcube: Master Of The Universe
[22:25] <ghostcube> not really or
[22:25] <a|wen_> ghostcube: really
[22:25] <ghostcube> :|
[22:25] <Mamarok> the universe repo, of course it is!
[22:25] <ghostcube> who is heman
[22:25] <ghostcube> :D
[22:26]  * a|wen_ suspects some to have had a fun night out planning that name :)
[22:26] <apachelogger> a|wen_: sure, but I am missing minons
[22:26] <ghostcube> ok so this is the start in ppa and then if you good  enough you go to universe ?
[22:26] <ghostcube> :)
[22:26] <apachelogger> well
[22:26] <apachelogger> long story
[22:27] <a|wen_> !universe
[22:27] <a|wen_> they could have kept a short-story there
[22:27] <apachelogger> ghostcube: you can also start in unverse right away, Ubuntu is having a lot of sponsoring and all devs are pretty help ful when it comes to learn packaging
[22:27] <ghostcube> hmm i will tell u if i have more time
[22:27] <ghostcube> i want to learn packaging
[22:27] <ghostcube> so...
[22:27] <ghostcube> but not in universe :|
[22:28] <ghostcube> :D
[22:28] <apachelogger> why not? :P
[22:28] <ghostcube> to bad i am
[22:28] <ghostcube> :D
[22:28] <ghostcube> ei ich bin steuerberater :D
[22:28] <ghostcube> ich muss mal erst gucken wie das alles so geht
[22:28] <ghostcube> :D
[22:28] <ghostcube> then we can talk about
[22:29] <ghostcube> and a very upset paintballer at the moment
[22:29] <ghostcube> apachelogger: seen what they want to do ?
[22:30] <apachelogger> forbid it?
[22:30] <Sput> well, about time the austrians send somebody to start the revolution
[22:30] <Sput> wait, last time that went wrong
[22:30] <eagles0513875> ot is it not for this channel
[22:31] <apachelogger> hm
[22:31] <apachelogger> Sput: I certainly can come by and visit :P
[22:31] <Sput> apachelogger: yeah... that's always fun
[22:31] <ghostcube> apachelogger: yeah forbid it
[22:31] <ghostcube> cause of the murder in winnenden
[22:31] <Mamarok> horror, apachelogger is from that same region the other one came from...
[22:31] <ghostcube> it is a war game only sense to show death
[22:32] <ghostcube> so the arguments
[22:32] <ghostcube> i think they should go and help banks and dont talk such an stupid shit
[22:32] <Sput> s/help/kill/
[22:32] <ghostcube> :|
[22:32] <ghostcube> nah help
[22:32] <ghostcube> they cant do anything else
[22:32] <ghostcube> die sind zu blöd nen loch ....
[22:33] <apachelogger> ghostcube: you have way too many murders anyway
[22:33] <Sput> well, they can't forbid Schützenvereine obviously...
[22:33] <apachelogger> they can do
[22:33] <ghostcube> Sput: they can
[22:33] <apachelogger> on paper they can do anything
[22:33] <Sput> ghostcube: nah, the lobby!
[22:34] <apachelogger> whether anyone will care is another story :P
[22:34] <Sput> so first they get rid of games, then of paintball, then of all the other freedoms
[22:34] <Sput> instead of taking away weapons from maniacs
[22:34] <apachelogger> nah
[22:34] <apachelogger> games
[22:34] <apachelogger> then child pronography
[22:34] <eagles0513875> digital clock widget is having issues as well when it cannot sync to a ntp server
[22:34] <apachelogger> then paintball
[22:34] <Sput> because guns don't kill people... counterstrike kills people!
[22:34] <a|wen_> oh, another merge chance for kile ... that is what i've been waiting for
[22:34] <apachelogger> so after all child pornography is worse than paintball
[22:34] <apachelogger> that is something :P
[22:34] <ghostcube> :|
[22:35] <Mamarok> ...says Sput with a ole in his head!
[22:35] <ghostcube> yeah but even police says wtf should this be
[22:35] <Sput> olé!
[22:35] <ghostcube> next is völkerball
[22:35] <ghostcube> or fechten =?
[22:35] <Mamarok> hole that is :)
[22:35] <Sput> völkerball is racist, and fechten is french
[22:35] <ghostcube> :D
[22:35] <eagles0513875> a|wen_: can i purge the widget adn then just use the network interfaces script or that wont work
[22:35] <ghostcube> i payed 800 bugs for my new setup
[22:35] <ghostcube> and now i shouldnt play it
[22:35] <ghostcube> nah
[22:35] <ghostcube> :D
[22:36] <Sput> ghostcube: well, just vote for the Pirate Party
[22:36] <eagles0513875> lol
[22:36] <ghostcube> i do
[22:36] <Sput> I hope they get allowed to run for the federal election as well
[22:36] <a|wen_> eagles0513875: or you can just remove the widget from plasma
[22:36] <apachelogger> nah
[22:36] <ghostcube> was mentioned on ccc mailinglist
[22:36] <ghostcube> lol
[22:36] <apachelogger> pogo
[22:36] <Sput> they're going to be no 3 in sweden soon
[22:37] <Sput> so now EU politicians start getting nervous, and some have already called them nazis :)
[22:37] <ghostcube> i dont want to bring so many offtopic in here but iam really pissed off because of this damn talk
[22:38] <a|wen_> ghostcube: ?
[22:38] <ghostcube> not the talk in here lol
[22:39] <ghostcube> tv
[22:39] <a|wen_> ahh
[22:39]  * a|wen_ haven't watched tv in 4+ months
[22:39] <ghostcube> sorry for my bad english
[22:39] <ghostcube> :I)
[22:40] <a|wen_> so in that time i became kubuntu ninja and motu ;)
[22:40] <ghostcube> :O
[22:40] <ghostcube> i watch if iam not leraning BWL
[22:40] <ghostcube> :|
[22:40] <ghostcube> or some taxation law
[22:40] <ghostcube> bah
[22:40] <ghostcube> or hanging arround here :F
[22:41] <apachelogger> bringing the channel off topic :P
[22:41] <ghostcube> hehe
[22:41] <a|wen_> oh, while we are offtopic
[22:41] <a|wen_> http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/ <-- any europeans that cares about such
[22:51] <neversfelde> a|wen_: signed :)
[22:52] <a|wen_> :)
[22:52]  * a|wen_ signed twice
[22:52] <a|wen_> the beauty of owning your own company
[22:58] <ghostcube> i have an anti zensur twitter petition against german BKA law
[22:58] <ghostcube> :D
[22:58] <ghostcube> from quassel.de Sput
[22:58] <ghostcube> Sput: bring in
[22:58] <ghostcube> :D
[22:58] <Sput> nah, that would be spamming.
[22:58] <ghostcube> :|
[22:58] <Sput> people could just go to the official e-petition site of the Bundestag
[22:58] <ghostcube> iam spamming for all of us
[22:58] <Sput> well, then do :)
[22:59] <ghostcube> :D
[22:59] <Sput> I don't even use Kubuntu, I should behave in here :)
[22:59] <ghostcube> http://twitter.com/Mitzeichner
[22:59] <ghostcube> :)
[22:59]  * ghostcube hides and runs
[22:59] <ghostcube> Sput: :O enemy
[22:59] <ghostcube> :D
[23:00] <Sput> hey, it's all about maintaining good downstream relations :)
[23:00]  * a|wen_ hands Sput a cookie
[23:01] <a|wen_> we always like upstream developers hanging around :)
[23:01] <Sput> distro flamewars can be (and are) fun, but shouldn't get in the way of providing good packages for everyone :)
[23:02]  * Sput munches his cookie
[23:03] <a|wen_> agreed ... and in any case, we can just be friends on the distro front and do DE wars instead :P
[23:06] <Sput> booooooring :)
[23:09]  * Sput points out that he has had a lot of alcohol and karaoke with various kubuntu MOTUs, and treats flamewars as entertainment, not as anything serious :)
[23:10] <a|wen_> hehe ... when is the next time that is happening :)
[23:11] <Sput> dunno
[23:11] <Sput> I hope once \sh has finally become a father, he finds some time to get drunk with me every now and then again
[23:11] <Sput> and that strange Austrian... meh...
[23:12] <Sput> need to carry him into on of those goth clubs again :D
[23:12] <a|wen_> haha, sounds like you've had a lot of fun
[23:12] <Sput> yeah, and there are NO photos
[23:13]  * a|wen_ wonders if that is the truth or a wish ;)
[23:14] <Riddell> Sput: karaoke?  when?
[23:14] <Sput> Riddell: well, we have this nice karaoke bar here... and I had most of the amarok team there once, and I've been there with \sh a couple times
[23:14] <Sput> NO PHOTOS!
[23:15] <Sput> oh, and no CDs either :)
[23:15] <ghostcube> anyone knows if rexbron from motu is available sometimes ?
[23:16] <ghostcube> i tried to talk to him but i cant get him to answer me
[23:16] <ghostcube> oO
[23:16] <a|wen_> ghostcube: he looks to be online in -motu
[23:16] <ghostcube> a|wen_: yeah i ping him everytime no answer till now i think its bounced nick ?
[23:17] <ghostcube> cause he is the one to talk to cause of the jackd thingy
[23:17] <a|wen_> ghostcube: or maybe he has his irc online always and only check at times ... dunno if you are always online or?
[23:17] <ghostcube> nope iam not
[23:18] <a|wen_> you've probably been offline when he tried to ping you back
[23:18] <ghostcube> yeah hes inactive 3 hours now i try it again heh maybe i have luck
[23:19]  * a|wen_ believes in ghostcube's luck
[23:19] <ghostcube> :)
[23:19] <ghostcube> thx
[23:38] <JontheEchidna> is karmic busted at the moment? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26448099/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.konversation_1.1.75%2Bsvn965046-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[23:40] <a|wen_> det ser ikke godt ud, nej
[23:40] <a|wen_> that doesn't look good
[23:41]  * a|wen_ is not used to change language frequently anymore ... bad habbit of english everywhere
[23:42] <Sput> was du nicht sagst!
[23:42] <apachelogger> que?
[23:42] <Sput> o tempora...
[23:43] <apachelogger> now
[23:43] <Sput> o mores!
[23:43] <apachelogger> what I wanted to say ...
[23:43] <apachelogger> just don't do frequent language changes
[23:43]  * apachelogger was talking to his friends in english while we was attending the kubuntu meeting yesterday :P
[23:44] <a|wen_> that's right ... but is quite incompatible with the danish loco (at least to be a bit nice to them)
[23:44]  * apachelogger also talks english in the german kubuntu channel at times :P
[23:45] <a|wen_> he
[23:45] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes it's totally broken
[23:45] <Sput> well, better than austrian for sure
[23:45] <Riddell> but I saw cjwatson put a fix in, riding to the rescue as usual
[23:45] <apachelogger> a|wen_: you could give them cookies, that is about the all nicest thing you can do
[23:45] <apachelogger> Sput: as a matter of fact in #ubuntu-at they speak standard german
[23:45] <apachelogger> pretty bad example of a loco channel IMHO :P
[23:45] <Sput> hehe :D
[23:46] <a|wen_> apachelogger: true ... i need to grab more cookies in the store tomorrow :)
[23:46] <a|wen_> and when i get back to denmark i'll get the frequent language changing operation back
[23:49] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: ping?
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> a|wen_: pong
[23:55] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: kde4libs done in k-e ... want to test, or just copy
[23:55] <JontheEchidna> testing is for the weak? :D
[23:56] <JontheEchidna> nah, I'll test
[23:58] <a|wen_> :)