[06:59] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session in 1m in #ubuntu-classroom
[07:00] <lamalex> you should have one of these sessions during a time that's not unreasonable for the other side of the ocean
[07:00] <lamalex> id love to attend one of the packaging ones, but they're never at times I can attend
[07:02] <maxb> lamalex: They rotate around the day:
[07:02] <maxb> 0 6 12 and 18 UTC
[07:03] <lamalex> yet i seem to never be able to attend any of them :(
[07:20] <maxb> Hmm, karmic seems to be ignoring my /etc/hdparm.conf
[08:26] <maxb> usplash broken on karmic for anyone else?
[08:28] <pwnguin> we should just carve these sessions up into a moodle session with video
[08:29] <pwnguin> alternatively, lesson
[09:27] <jamieleshaw> Hello are there screenshots of the new look yet?
[09:28] <ienorand> jamieleshaw: To put it blankly, don't expect a new look in Karmic, it may very well get postponed even further, and no, nothing has surfaced yet.
[09:29] <jamieleshaw> Postponed why?
[09:30] <jamieleshaw> Because of GNOME 3?
[09:31] <ienorand> Since Mark and his DX team hasn't gotten the butt out of the mailbox, basically.
[09:32] <jamieleshaw> What do you mean?
[09:33] <ienorand> jamieleshaw: http://www.lamalex.net/2009/05/chasing-the-white-whale-the-year-of-the-linux-desktop-and-new-ubuntu-theme/
[09:34] <ienorand> it has taken a long, long time to pull together a design team i had hoped to have that team in place six months ago, but it’s still forming i think we will make good progress in the next cycle you can already see a few things that have borne fruit from that team notifications, time zone selector in installer, etc but it’s fragmentary i’m pretty darn confident
[09:34] <ienorand> confident we’ll have a new look for 10.04 but i think only pieces of that will emerge for 9.10
[09:34] <ienorand> quote/unquote
[09:35] <macvr> hi can any one advice me on what to choose for this notebook config? ubuntu/kubuntu/UNR: Sony VAIO PCG-SRX87 Laptop  * Processor: 850 MHz Mobile Intel Pentium III Processor    * RAM: 256 MB    * RAM Type: SDRAM    * L2 Cache: 512 KB Hard Drive    * Size: 20 GB    * Graphics Card: Intel 815EM graphic    * Graphics RAM: 11 MB
[09:35] <ienorand> jamieleshaw: quoting sabdfl...
[09:36] <macvr> oops... wrong room!
[09:36] <jamieleshaw> I see.
[09:38] <jamieleshaw> The screenshots of GNOME 3 look good.
[09:39] <ienorand> jamieleshaw: I think they look horrible, interface-wise, but that's just me :D
[09:42] <jamieleshaw> The Ubuntu netbook remix loog impressive.
[12:58] <peterz> apw: you spelled it wrong, its kinky koala ;-)
[13:00] <apw> peterz, :)  now that would be funny
[13:04] <thewrath> lol peterz
[13:56] <vega> is jaunty upgradable to karmic atm?
[13:56] <rski> sure but not supported
[13:56] <rski> in the sense that you probably have to fix most bugs yourself or at least bugreport everything
[13:56] <vega> what, no support? it's almost alpha1 time..
[14:01] <thewrath> vega: when is alpha1?
[14:01] <thewrath> i thought it was later on this month
[14:02] <thewrath> like at the end of it
[14:02] <compengi> thewrath, when it's ready ;)
[14:02] <vega> well yeah, something like that
[14:02] <thewrath> compengi: i figured as much i was speaking what is just posted on teh scheudle
[14:02] <compengi> thewrath, sometimes the schedules break
[14:03] <thewrath> right i understand but as of the last time i saw the schedule is what i was talking about
[14:03] <thewrath> compengi: what you running jaunty/
[14:03] <compengi> no
[14:04] <thewrath> hardy?
[14:04] <thewrath> hey AndrewGee
[14:07] <Pici> Alpha 1 is scheduled for the 14th I think.
[14:07] <Pici> !schedule
[14:10] <vega> i just wanted to know if the basic infrastructure is in place so at least the upgrade is possible in theory
[14:13] <thewrath> ture
[14:16] <ikonia> vega: if you don't know the status of it, why would you want to upgrade ?
[14:16] <thewrath> i would wait to the later alphas or even the beata
[14:22] <vega> ikonia: test? report bugs?
[14:25] <thewrath> alpah 1 is next thursday
[14:25] <thewrath> and thent eh deve summit 25-39
[14:25] <thewrath> *25-29
[14:38] <ikonia> vega: report bugs on what ??? they haven't even decided what's in it
[15:46] <Superdweeb> hey guys, what's the plan for eglibc?
[15:46] <ikonia> in what respect ?
[15:47] <Superdweeb> if anyone knows yet, I mean.
[15:47] <Superdweeb> I just heard about it.
[15:47] <ikonia> knows what ?
[15:47] <Superdweeb> I mean, debian is replacing glibc with eglibc, right?
[15:47] <ikonia> no
[15:47] <Superdweeb> it was on slashdot.
[15:47] <ikonia> eglibc is for embeded platforms
[15:48] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if it was totally replaced, but it could be
[15:48] <mphill> ikonia: not anymore
[15:48] <Superdweeb> http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47
[15:48] <ikonia> just reading the blog
[15:48] <mphill> ikonia: they are so fucking pissed at ulirch they are jumping ship
[15:48] <ikonia> calm down on the language
[15:48] <mphill> which is fine by me, good ridence
[15:49] <mphill> oops
[15:49] <Superdweeb> I'm happy. "Support for different shells (GLIBC only supports bash). Support for building with -Os. Configurable components (do we really need NIS or RPC support in debian-installer?)." = super cool stuff.
[15:49]  * mphill tones down
[15:49] <ikonia> how does glibc support a shell ?
[15:49] <Superdweeb> I think rpc is one big security hole.
[15:49] <ikonia> ????? they are seperate components
[15:50] <Superdweeb> I think it means using shell syntax as program arguements.
[15:50] <Superdweeb> something deep down under the carpet.
[15:50] <Superdweeb> probably related to running sudo in scripts.
[15:50] <ikonia> just reading the redhat bug, nothing to do with sudo
[15:50] <ikonia> bug 3266
[15:50] <ikonia> no - not ubuntu bug
[15:51] <ikonia> I guess this will be on the table at uds
[15:51] <Superdweeb> I mean, sudo doesn't always work right with scripts, some guy wrote a script to ensure everything gets handled right, including userspace variables.
[15:51] <ikonia> http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3266
[15:51] <ikonia> a good description of the issue
[15:51] <Superdweeb> This is an example of how it really interacts beneath the user level. I mean, tons of it is c and assembly : have you ever looked at the code source for dd?
[15:53] <mphill> they pushed the 2.6.30 kernel out before UDS, I think they are already started work on KMS and plymouth
[15:53] <Superdweeb> since we have multi-pointer support now, has anyone here got it working?
[15:53] <mphill> Superdweeb: I only need one mouse for now :)
[15:54] <Superdweeb> well, I was thinking of setting my touchpad as one pointer and my little red plastic  thingy as another.
[15:54] <mphill> as a side note eglibc will also bring better support for embedded systems. Once ARM gets into the netbook market it could start to get very interesting
[15:55] <ikonia> I guess this would be good to take up as a discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:55] <ikonia> seems like a lot of meat on the bones to chat about
[17:09] <ienorand> I'm seeing delays in the stage between grub and kernel (I presume), it stays unusually long at the "booting from hd*,*" stage, what kind of info would I like to get here to populate a bug?
[19:01]  * hggdh took the plunge... now running karmic
[19:02] <ienorand> hggdh: howsit climbing along?
[19:04] <hggdh> so far no issues, except a failure to upgrade ubuntu-desktop
[19:05] <hggdh> (which I have not had time to look at, yet, but it seems a script error)
[19:07] <ienorand> hmm, I had no probs with that afaik...
[19:08] <ienorand> although grub slugs, and autologin don't work, bo those are very minor issues...
[19:10] <ienorand> Anyhow, off for a reboot and see if the older kernel bugs grub as well, see you.
[19:35] <Vinceman> if camorama works, will your cam work with all other apps?
[20:01] <ienorand> Hello.
[20:43]  * BUGabundo is not here... but can't avoid nothing TheInfinity is back!
[22:22] <maxb> I have a rather odd problem - it's not karmic-specific, but I am running karmic - my laptop brightness takes a ridiculous number of keypresses to go from full bright to full dim
[22:23] <maxb> This is on an AAO
[22:23] <maxb> any thoughts / reading material for me?
[22:26] <calc> maxb: if it is more than previously in Ubuntu it is probably due to a bug being fixed
[22:26] <calc> maxb: does each press seem to increase brightness, or do you have to press multiple times for single level?
[22:27] <calc> maxb: in the past on at least some laptops the brightness adjust would jump 3x as fast as it should have
[22:27] <BUGabundo> mine acts fast
[22:28] <calc> maxb: your bios defines how many brightness levels there are, many have 10+ levels
[22:28] <BUGabundo> audio on the other hand is slow....
[22:28] <BUGabundo> but I have OSD for audio and not for bright!
[22:28] <calc> maxb: however there was a bug where it would do skip so you could only do eg 3 levels when 10 were defined
[22:28] <calc> s/do//
[22:29] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you here? :}
[22:30] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: just a bit... trying to make it as little as possible...
[22:30] <BUGabundo> now it's the dog, who is lacking my attention
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Bug 373006
[22:33] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: what does OOo have to do with UM ??
[22:34] <BUGabundo> alexsey got me lost on that one
[22:34] <BUGabundo> :\\\
[22:36] <kklimonda> probably his OOo packages are held back for some reason ;)
[22:36] <kklimonda> that's how it sounds to me
[22:36] <kklimonda> dunno what does it have in common with bug..
[22:36] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:36] <BUGabundo> just noise
[22:37] <BUGabundo> but then again OOo packages are SO big that they get stuck a lot on UM
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I have gnome-do-plugins stuck
[22:37] <BUGabundo> I bet it failed to build again on 64bits
[22:37] <BUGabundo> have to check on LP
[23:28] <BUGabundo>  !repositories