[00:00] <bdmurray> dtchen: Did you see my response regarding speaker-test?
[00:00] <dtchen> bdmurray: when? it's not in the first of my e-mail crawl, so, no.
[00:01] <dtchen> ugh, MUAs suck when searching through 7mil+ e-mails
[00:03] <dtchen> right, on answers, looking now.
[00:07] <dtchen> bdmurray: you can't use plug for that definition; you need to use type route and wrap it in a plug
[00:10] <dtchen> bdmurray: i'm a bit confused as to why you're trying to use the existing 5.1 (6-channel) configuration with only 4 channels, however.
[00:10] <bdmurray> dtchen: I only have 4 speakers?
[00:11] <dtchen> bdmurray: you would still use channels 6
[00:11] <dtchen> or just omit that bit completely and continue to use type plug with slave.pcm "surround51"
[00:11] <dtchen> it's designed to do the right thing regardless whether you have 1, 2, ..., 6 speakers
[00:12] <bdmurray> well, hey that's neat ;-)
[00:15] <bdmurray> dtchen: Thanks, I was originally trying test the alsa-driver hook for apport
[00:17] <dtchen> bdmurray: np. i've extended the hook in my branch (~crimsun/apport/alsa/)
[00:17] <dtchen> we're missing quite a bit of necessary information that's collected by alsa-info.sh
[00:20] <bdmurray> dtchen: do you have any thoughts on how people should report sound bugs right now?  Maybe ubuntu-bug linux-sound-base then move them to linux?
[02:01] <dtchen> bdmurray: for interactive debugging, i've been asking people who use GNOME to use "ubuntu-bug pulseaudio"
[02:01] <dtchen> bdmurray: if the interactive debugging is just ALSA-related, then i request "ubuntu-bug alsa-base"
[02:02] <dtchen> bdmurray: in either case, i move the bugs to the appropriate affected source package
[02:02] <dtchen> (or invalidate, etc.)
[02:04] <dtchen> it's interesting to note that a nontrivial amount of bugs reported that way turn out to be caused by people attempting to beat Ubuntu - e.g., they install OSSv4 then balk when everything collapses, so when they remove OSSv4, reinstall the userspace ALSA bits, and reload the ALSA driver modules, they're surprised to see that PulseAudio actually works
[02:24] <jtholmes> if a bug report has been generated by a kernelOops report is that bug considered confirmed?
[02:25] <jtholmes> hggdh, ^^^
[02:25] <hggdh> jtholmes, what's the bug#?
[02:26] <jtholmes> bug 367701
[02:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 367701 in pm-utils "[] hibernate/resume failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/367701
[02:26] <hggdh> jtholmes, even though it still has to go through triage
[02:26] <jtholmes> hggdh, so do i alter the status or anything?
[02:26] <jtholmes> or just leave it be
[02:27] <hggdh> leave it be. I have been out of kernel for quite a long time, so I would rather have somebody up-to-date with it look at it
[02:28] <jtholmes> ok i ran across about 6-7 with the same or very similar problems, thx
[02:29] <kklimonda> can it even be debugged without actual oops log?
[02:29] <kklimonda> or am I just blind?
[02:30] <jtholmes> you are not blind, there is no oops log afaics
[02:30] <hggdh> indeed
[02:32] <jtholmes> is there a move afoot to kind of gently force bug reporters to use ubuntu-bug  XYZ  and stop just random bug reporting to launchpad?
[02:34] <hggdh> jtholmes, yes (and we were discussing it today), but ubuntu-bug is yet not easy to use (the casual user will be lost with it)
[02:34] <kklimonda> well, we could somehow ecourage people to use Help->Report Bug but ubuntu-bug is a black magic to most of them imo ;)
[02:34] <jtholmes> yes, we needd more structure and we need to grab certain hardware info and not have the hardware type in the summary line
[02:35] <kklimonda> things like PIDs, bug numbers, package names sound scary :)
[02:35] <hggdh> and command-line...
[02:35] <jtholmes> hmmm
[02:36] <kklimonda> maybe some kind of link in launchpad?
[02:36] <kklimonda> something like apport:bug number?
[02:36] <kklimonda> so people could click it and apport would launch and gather more info..
[02:36] <jtholmes> well how about a sub-set of ubuntu-bug that at least gathers some miniminal info and then we can poke the reporter for more definitive info after we receive the initial info
[02:37] <kklimonda> even try to integrate it with launchpad bug reporting (some firefox extension?)
[02:37] <hggdh> these are all options, and I am sure they will receive attention at UDS
[02:37] <jtholmes> sure we need to gain more control of the process as there are many similar bugs but they get reported differently
[02:37] <kklimonda> true
[02:38] <jtholmes> good
[02:38] <jtholmes> we dont want to be restrictive, but right now it is a free for all gallery
[02:39] <jtholmes> thx
[02:39] <hggdh> it is indeed. Look at it as growing pains
[02:39] <jtholmes> yeah, almost 400k of pains :)
[02:40] <hggdh> as we grow, we adapt. But, most of the times, we adapt to events we perceive, so it takes a while for the new schema to be implemented
[02:40] <jtholmes> hggdh, say, one thing i have culled tonight is a lot of hibernation problems, any fix u kno about on the horizon
[02:41] <jtholmes> im tagging them so i can go back to them
[02:41] <hggdh> jtholmes, no, I do not know the current status (I *never* hibernate ;-) )
[02:42] <kklimonda> is it even possible to hibernate without swap partition?
[02:42] <jtholmes> me either but lots of folks do
[02:43] <jtholmes> kklimonda, that is discussed in several bugs, and some did not have swap and I believe you cant hib w/o swap
[02:43] <kklimonda> jtholmes: I wonder if swap file is enough
[02:43] <jtholmes> kklimonda, I dont know much about the overall process
[02:44] <jtholmes> kklimonda, while we are on it, where is the definition of the  S1-S6 whatever states
[02:45] <jtholmes> I know where they are in /proc is just dont know where they are defined
[02:46] <hggdh> you can hibernate to memory, as far as I can remember
[02:46] <kklimonda> hggdh: is it called suspend to ram? ;}
[02:47] <hggdh> kklimonda, heh yes.
[02:47] <jtholmes> hggdh, kklimonda well there is suspend to ram, suspend to disk, and I think there is a network element too
[02:48] <kklimonda> suspend and hibernate are entirely different things - i remember great article about state of suspend/hibernation in linux but I can't find it..
[02:48] <kklimonda> jtholmes: network?
[02:50] <jtholmes> kklimonda, in the acpi/wakeup  there is an ILAN  S4  Status event so I figured network related
[02:50] <jtholmes> I'll poke around on google to see what I find out about it
[02:51] <kklimonda> jtholmes: maybe it's related to WOL? S4 is suspend to disk afair..
[02:51] <kklimonda> but this stuff is scary :)
[02:51] <jtholmes> ah, ok one down, few to go great
[02:51] <kklimonda> S3 is suspend to ram
[02:51] <kklimonda> S0 or S1 is running
[02:51] <jtholmes> great
[02:51] <kklimonda> and S5 or S6 is power down
[02:52] <kklimonda> I don't remember if it counts from 0 or 1
[02:52] <kklimonda> jtholmes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface
[02:52] <jtholmes> ohhhh, wait is this the inittab  init states?
[02:52] <kklimonda> Power States
[02:53] <jtholmes> ok things are rattling around in the old noggin
[02:53] <jtholmes> starting to rattle
[02:53] <jtholmes> thx for the ref
[02:53] <hggdh> there is http://www.acpi.info/ (I used it some years ago, when I was recoding it for one brand of laptop
[02:54] <jtholmes> thx folks, it is all there will stuff it away, both of them
[02:58] <kklimonda> Binary package hint: firefox-3.0
[02:58] <kklimonda> Since I upgraded my Dell Inspiron 1420 to ubuntu 9.04 the laptop has been getting hotter quicker and does not
[02:58] <kklimonda> heh
[02:58] <kklimonda> I wonder what does it have to do with Firefox (other that it is processor hog ;) )
[02:59] <hggdh> kklimonda, try epiphany for a while
[02:59] <jtholmes> kklimonda, you are not alone, i have seen several of those bugs on laptops
[03:00] <kklimonda> hggdh: i'm addicted to various firefox extensions ;}
[03:00] <kklimonda> jtholmes: should it be reported against linux ?
[03:00] <kklimonda> (as in kernel)?
[03:01] <hggdh> kklimonda, run htop on a terminal, and check your CPU usage. But it may well be acpi-related
[03:01] <kklimonda> another gem: bug 373040
[03:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 373040 in linux "Adding the Medibuntu repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373040
[03:03] <jtholmes> hggdh, what process actually reported that bug
[03:05] <hggdh> seems to have been the boot process -- kernel
[03:05] <jtholmes> ok
[03:06] <hggdh> look at the current dmesg
[03:10] <jtholmes> yeah didnt like fd0 for some reason
[03:12] <jtholmes> looks like it found two USB storage devices, on two different hubs
[03:12] <jtholmes> wrong on is mouse
[03:14] <hggdh> and many errors on the usb stick, it seems
[03:15] <jtholmes> or the  usb-creator command did something wrong if that was what created the usb stick
[03:37] <jtholmes> well folks i am going to call it a night, tomorrow will be here in about 7.5 hours thereabouts enjoyed it
[04:27] <micahg> hggdh: did ubuntu home dir permissions change recently?
[04:28] <micahg> actually
[04:28] <micahg> this can be open to anyone
[04:36] <Hobbsee> not that i'm aware of
[04:40] <micahg> I just discovered there seem to be 2 different types of ATI drivers for linux
[05:37] <micahg> is there a place to throw wireless bugs?
[05:37] <micahg> example bug 365119
[05:37] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365119 in firefox-3.0 "cant use 'N' frequency with new netgear pcmcia laptop adapter/wireless network issues." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365119
[05:37] <micahg> it's obviously misclassified
[05:38] <micahg> I'm thinking convert to Q
[05:38] <micahg> since he just needs help
[05:39] <hggdh> micahg, shoot
[05:40] <micahg> shoot what?
[05:41] <micahg> oh, did you not see the Q hggdh?
[05:47] <micahg> I was saying bug 365119 is for sure misclassified
[05:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 365119 in firefox-3.0 "cant use 'N' frequency with new netgear pcmcia laptop adapter/wireless network issues." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365119
[05:47] <micahg> but should I convert to Q
[05:48] <micahg> or could there be an actual bug?
[05:50] <micahg> does this work now?
[05:50] <hggdh> yes
[05:50] <micahg> yay
[05:50] <micahg> ok
[05:50] <micahg> so, I should convert to Q
[05:50] <micahg> or jsut remove from FF and troubleshoot?
[05:50] <hggdh> the reporter states having tried windows drivers
[05:50] <micahg> yes
[05:51] <hggdh> so -- this sounds like ndiswrapper
[05:51] <micahg> ok
[05:51] <micahg> I was trying to find out if there were native drivers
[05:52] <hggdh> ask if ndiswrapper is in use. This is the only use I know for network-related .inf files
[05:52] <micahg> yes, definitely, but isn't user just asking if there is a normal way to get it working?
[05:53] <micahg> rather than asking if we can get the windows drivers to work?
[05:54] <hggdh> the point is we do not have access to the windows blobs. ndiswrapper emulates the Windows NDIS component, and the driver believes it is talking with windows
[05:54] <dholbach> good morning
[05:54] <hggdh> morning, dholbach
[05:54] <micahg> yes, I'm very familiar with the package
[05:54] <dholbach> hi hggdh
[05:54] <micahg> but, i'm asking a psychology type Q
[05:55] <micahg> is the user asking for help with ndiswrapper or would user be happy with native drivers
[05:55] <hggdh> *if* there are native drivers...
[05:55] <micahg> that's my Q
[05:55] <micahg> you have any resources you use to check?
[05:56] <hggdh> the user seems to be able to connect, just cannot connect on N
[05:56] <hggdh> of old I used, and did some work, with ndiswrapper. Nowadays I am quite rusty there
[05:56] <micahg> ok
[05:56] <hggdh> so first we need to find out *why* the user tried windows drivers
[05:57] <micahg> just found this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[05:58] <micahg> ok
[05:58] <micahg> I';ll mark as ndiswrapper and ask user for lshw -C network
[05:59] <hggdh> oh, wg511 uses atheros, so there might be a native driver for it
[05:59] <micahg> depends which revision
[06:00] <hggdh> yes. But I do not see a wn511, so it may just not work with the native driver
[06:00] <micahg> right, or the wiki hasn;t been updated :)
[06:00] <hggdh> or that ;-)
[06:01] <hggdh> and time for googling on it, I guess
[06:02] <micahg> yep
[06:15] <micahg> hggdh: do we do anything for linuxmint? bug 360352
[06:15] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 360352 in firefox-3.0 "[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED) [nsIPrefBranch.getIntPref]"  nsresult: "0x8000ffff (NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED)"  location: "JS frame :: chrome://speeddial/content/speeddial.js :: generateTabCells :: line 405"  data: no]" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/360352
[06:17] <micahg> or should I just move to their project?
[06:18] <hggdh> just move to their project. We only deal with Ubuntu here
[06:21] <micahg> ok
[06:59] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session in 1m in #ubuntu-classroom
[07:00] <micahg> really?
[07:00] <micahg> 6AM UTC?
[13:08] <towolf> on my thinkpad x server restarts when resuming from suspend. how would i get to the bottom of this? how to log, etc?
[13:24] <pedro_> Happy hug day!, remember we're celebrating a hug day based on compiz today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090507 feel free to grab any bug out the list
[13:48] <YoBoY> hi pedro_
[13:48] <pedro_> hello YoBoY!
[15:00] <bddebian> Boo
[15:09] <kklimonda> hey, does "This attachment is a patch" should be checked only for .debdiffs or all patches in general?
[15:12] <andresmujica> ping pedro
[15:12] <pedro_> hola andresmujica
[15:12] <andresmujica> hola pedro
[15:13] <andresmujica> i'm revamping the bugsquad/meetings page using the QA page as template, so i can publish it at the fridge calendar and send the email to the list
[15:13] <james_w> kklimonda: all patches
[15:14] <andresmujica> but i wonder which topics should i propose.. the ones sent to the mailing list? what do you think?
[15:16] <pedro_> andresmujica: yeap the ones sent to the mailing list orderer by the date they were proposed seems fine
[15:17] <pedro_> andresmujica: don't forget to add the name of the person who proposed the topic in () at the agenda
[15:17] <andresmujica> ok, great
[15:17] <pedro_> andresmujica: are you setting all at BugSquad/Meeting ?
[15:17] <andresmujica> also i'm planning to update the bugsquad header to insert the meeting date below the Hug Day announcement, woud it be fine?
[15:18] <andresmujica> yeap that one
[15:18] <pedro_> andresmujica: yep feel free to do it
[15:18] <pedro_> you can use as an example the one of the Hugdays
[15:18] <andresmujica> it's really old, however i've moved the old one to BugSquad/Meeting/2007
[15:18] <andresmujica> ok
[17:32] <hggdh> bdmurray, dpkg done
[18:29] <mrooney> Anyone know if mirrors are selected at install time, besides the US repository?
[18:30] <mrooney> Or are all stock installs using the Main or US update repository?
[18:32] <bdmurray> mrooney: I believe they are selected
[19:11] <hggdh> bdmurray, I understand we are *not* closing invalid bugs that fail apport-retrace. But I thought there was a movement to do so...
[19:12] <bdmurray> I don't recall that, plus it would suck to lose a test case if there is one.
[19:15] <hggdh> OK
[19:35] <micahg> hggdh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Unusable%20stack%20trace%20after%20retracing
[19:41] <hggdh> micahg, yes, thanks
[19:52] <hggdh> bug 315387
[19:52] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 315387 in malone "[API] add method to delete attachments" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/315387
[19:52] <bdmurray> pedro_: any idea where 299165 belongs?
[19:52] <pedro_> bdmurray: looking
[19:53] <pedro_> grgr i'm really hating the "Please try again" messages...
[19:59] <micahg> hddgh: I was just thinking, if hte policy changed, someone should update the wiki
[20:02] <pedro_> bdmurray: mm i don't think it's a gnome-keybinding issue. Would be better to send that upstream at bugs.opencompositing.org
[20:04] <hggdh> micahg, no, it did not change (Brian confirmed it)
[20:04] <bdmurray> pedro_: The same thing happens w/o compiz though.  You have to hold ctrl+alt to navigate
[20:07] <ienorand> Hia. Widely different boot times on Karmic, with .30 being considerably slower than .28, would that be something to put down in a bug?
[20:09] <colonelqubit> I'd like to make a comment on a blueprint on launchpad, but I can't find an "Add a comment" button or similar. How can I comment on the blueprint?
[20:11] <colonelqubit> there's a "status whiteboard" that I could add text to, but that seems kind of hackish.
[20:12] <colonelqubit> (as my comment doesn't really have anything to do with the status of the blueprint)
[20:15] <Pici> colonelqubit: You may want to ask that in #launchpad
[20:16] <colonelqubit> Pici: thanks
[20:16] <bdmurray> The blueprint should have a corresponding wiki page
[20:18] <colonelqubit> bdmurray: would the blueprint page have a link to the wiki, and if so, how would it be labeled?
[20:21] <bdmurray> colonelqubit: there should be / may be a Read the full specification link
[20:22] <colonelqubit> bdmurray: I've got a "Set the URL for this specification" link -- maybe that's supposed to be set to a wiki page.
[20:22] <bdmurray> yes, that's correct
[20:25] <colonelqubit> bdmurray: Ahh.. the launchpad docs go into this: https://help.launchpad.net/Blueprint
[20:25] <colonelqubit> bdmurray: so if the page isn't set, and I'd like to comment.... is it suggested that I add a wiki page?
[20:26] <colonelqubit> bdmurray: and how does notification work -- if I update the wiki page does the blueprint page get some kind of ping-back?
[21:54] <hggdh> which package carries /usr/include/asm/errno.h?
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - the kernel
[21:57] <BUGabundo> why is the "asm" name so familiar to me ?
[21:59] <hggdh> ah, linux-libc-dev...
[22:03] <hggdh> no
[22:08] <hggdh> :-( I lost my /usr/include/asm/errno.h :-(
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - bug 373214
[22:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 373214 in linux-ports "/usr/include/asm/* is not present in linux-libc-dev" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373214
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> its breaking a lot of builds currently
[22:09] <hggdh> chrisccoulson, ah, thanks. I was staring to think I was crazy: apt-file stated it was in linux-libc-dev, and still...
[23:49] <BUGabundo> where can I find upstream for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netspeed/+bug/373461 ?
[23:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 373461 in netspeed "netspeed applet no longer allows to set font size" [Undecided,New]
[23:50] <BUGabundo> is it gnome too?
[23:50] <kklimonda> http://www.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de/~mfcn/shared/netspeed
[23:50] <kklimonda> well, it is an url in watch..
[23:50] <kklimonda> http://www.gnome.org/projects/netspeed/
[23:50] <kklimonda> ya, looks like a gnome project
[23:51] <kklimonda> weird that they are not using gnome ftp..
[23:52] <hggdh> but they use b.g.o for the bugs
[23:54] <BUGabundo> upstreaming the bug / regression now
[23:54] <BUGabundo> do you guys if NM handles PPPoE? asac and #nm is silence
[23:56] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, evening,  bug 363533 says removing all proprietary viedo drivers causes black screen of death etc. to go away is anyone aware of this behavior
[23:56] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 363533 in pm-utils "ATI Radeon HD 3670 Proprietary FGLRX Drivers break Suspend, Hibernate and major performance issues." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/363533
[23:58] <BUGabundo> jtholmes: I know I some times sound like a bot, but im not GOD and omnipresent ehehe
[23:59] <jtholmes> BUGabundo, i lol when folks ask, is BUGabundo a bot :) :)
[23:59] <BUGabundo> that's one of the reasons why I'm cutting down my online activities.... getting tired of that :\