[00:25] <nekro_> suspend/resume doesn't seem to work on a dell xps studio I own. Is this a question for the kernel team?
[00:46] <mpontillo> ppc build of epiphany-browser failed - is this something I need to worry about? how do I tell if it was already broken? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26413384/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.epiphany-browser_2.26.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:24] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: good morning
[02:25] <rickspencer3> just saying "hi" before I log off!
[02:26] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3-afk: :)
[06:48] <ubunoob> hello
[06:48] <ubunoob> anyone awake?
[06:48] <ubunoob> i have a jaunty question.... anyone?
[07:04] <pitti> Good morning
[07:26] <asac> hi
[07:49] <robert_ancell> pitti: are autoconf patches only required if a package fails to build?
[07:50] <pitti> robert_ancell: no, they are only required if a patch in debian/ubuntu changes any Makefile.am or configure.ac
[07:50] <pitti> usually upstream's autoconfiscation should work
[07:50] <pitti> (if we don't patch the build system)
[07:51] <robert_ancell> cool, I can get rid of the autoconf patch for gnome-games then
[07:53] <robert_ancell> pitti: ps, seb128 wanted me to SRU the totem changes (I do too).  Ask him about it when he comes online.  I'll be making 2.27 packages for totem tomorrow for Karmic
[07:54] <robert_ancell> does anyone know what the state of clutter is in Ubuntu?  Gnometris now requires clutter - do we no longer support it?
[08:11] <didrocks> Guten Morgen pitti :)
[08:11] <didrocks> hey robert_ancell
[08:12] <pitti> hey didrocks
[08:12] <didrocks> robert_ancell: last time, I didn't build gnome-games with clutter. We discussed about that some monthes ago with seb128 as it was not required and not everybody have a decent driver to handle clutter
[08:13] <didrocks> but yes, I saw that now it becomes a mandatory for gnometris
[08:13] <robert_ancell> didrocks: can gnome-games have a build-depends on gnometris?  Can we split gnometris into a separate package?
[08:15] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I think it's possible to split it into a separate package, with two configures option (I don't rememeber if --enable-cluter is processed for everygames). Maybe patch the configure.in and split the package is a good idea. It's better to discuss that with seb128, I think :)
[08:15] <didrocks> robert_ancell: did you have ever tried to run something based on clutter without 3D acceleration?
[08:16] <didrocks> what's the result?
[08:16] <robert_ancell> sure.  I'm building currently with --enable-omitgames=gnometris
[08:16] <pitti> robert_ancell: okay; please request an SRU on the actual bugs then
[08:16] <didrocks> that can be useful :)
[08:16] <robert_ancell> I don't know about clutter.  I developed glChess without hardware support and it runs ok
[08:17] <didrocks> ok, I think with gnome-shell this question about clutter will become more and more important in a very near futur
[08:17] <didrocks> maybe it worths a discussion at UDS
[08:41] <pochu> didrocks: there's a session for GNOME 3, you can raise it there :-)
[08:46] <didrocks> pochu: great. I will :)
[08:46] <pochu> I hope the session lasts two hours ;)
[08:48] <didrocks> pochu: yes, there is a lot of stuff to decide on it :)
[08:48] <didrocks> pochu: do you come at UDS too?
[08:49] <pochu> yup :)
[08:53] <crevette> hello
[08:53] <didrocks> lut crevette
[08:54] <crevette> salut didrocks
[09:00] <robert_ancell> see you guys tomorrow
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> anyone here has any interest in hal?
[09:23] <seb128> chrisccoulson: hey, pitti has I would say, why?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> i wrote a patch to fix a crasher and proposed a merge in to the ubuntu-core-dev branch, but I didn't select a reviewer and i don't think anyone was notified of the merge request. i was looking for someone to review the patch:)
[09:26] <seb128> I don't think that feature works fine, still much better to have a bug and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors
[09:26] <seb128> so it's listed on the sponsoring page and people don't forget about it
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i might do that. is that still correct even though there isn't technically anything to sponsor (it's all just in bzr at the moment - I haven't attached a patch to the bug report)
[09:27] <seb128> you can add the bzr to the bug
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> i've done that. i'll subscribe u-m-s too. thanks
[09:28] <seb128> you're welcome
[09:36] <slomo> seb128: hi :) you want to sync gstreamer0.10, gst-plugins-base0.10 0.10.22.4-1 and gst0.10-python 0.10.14.4-1 from debian/experimental :)
[09:37] <seb128> slomo: hello, ok thanks
[09:41] <seb128> mvo: there?
[09:43] <mvo> seb128: yes
[09:43] <seb128> mvo: update-manager -d doesn't do anything useful on jaunty
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: I wonder if its because of the proxy in the office
[09:45] <mvo> seb128: what does your .update-manager-core/meta-release-development file look like? is this a jaunty system? or karmic already?
[09:46] <seb128> it's jaunty
[09:47] <seb128> mvo: karmic is listed
[09:47] <seb128> mvo: it's a jaunty stock install in kvm updated to current versions
[09:48] <seb128> ie upgrades applied
[09:49] <mvo> seb128: let me check here on a fresh jaunty install
[09:49] <seb128> mvo: don't bother, I just edit the sources.list and update the classic dist-upgrade way
[09:50] <mvo> seb128: please wait a minute
[09:50] <seb128> ok
[09:51] <mvo> seb128: can you please run: "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 update-manager -d" and pastebin me the output? (I hope there is some :)
[09:53] <seb128> mvo: current dist name: 'jaunty'
[09:53] <seb128> and nothing after that?
[09:53] <mvo> seb128: that is all?
[09:53] <seb128> no but it's in kvm and I can select and copy there easily
[09:53] <seb128> anything specific you want to know?
[09:53] <seb128> usedevel= true
[09:53] <seb128> -development
[09:53] <seb128> .download()
[09:53] <mvo> seb128: could you open a browser in kvm and just copy-paste to a pastebin there?
[09:54] <seb128> .parse()
[09:54] <mvo> seb128: or is net not working in it?
[09:55] <seb128> mvo: 165967
[09:56] <mvo> seb128: thanks, I check it out now
[09:56] <seb128> mvo: that the pastebin.ubuntu.com number
[09:58] <mvo> thanks seb128
[09:58] <seb128> mvo: it's working for you?
[09:59] <mvo> seb128: I'm looking for a stock image currently :)
[10:00] <mvo> seb128: could you please try now?
[10:01] <seb128> mvo: working now
[10:01] <seb128> mvo: so it was a bug on the server side?
[10:05] <seb128> slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22961501/gst0.10-python_0.10.14-1_0.10.14-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, gst-python has those changes not sure if they would make sense for debian
[10:09] <mvo> seb128: on my side, but fortunately I can work around it on the server. many thanks!
[10:09] <seb128> mvo: thank you for the quick fixing as usual
[10:10] <mvo> seb128: thank you for finding all my bugs :)
[10:11] <seb128> mvo: it's complaining about some packages.bz2 checksum not being correct
[10:11] <mvo> *sigh*
[10:11] <mvo> that will be a proxy issues, I'm sure
[10:11] <seb128> I guess that's a server issue and not your issue
[10:11] <slomo> seb128: hm, probably makes sense for debian too
[10:12] <slomo> seb128: i'll include that change and upload a new version now
[10:12] <mvo> I need to talk to elmo about this at some point to figure out what we can do about it to make them in sync again
[10:12] <seb128> mvo: since when are we using .bz2 and not .gz?
[10:12] <seb128> slomo: thanks!
[10:12]  * mvo waves to slomo
[10:12] <mvo> seb128: some time, a couple of releases. we still fallback to .gz if e.g. bzip2 is not installed
[10:12] <mvo> (or not availalbe on the server)
[10:13] <slomo> hi mvo :)
[10:17] <seb128> mvo: ok, so nothing I can do to kick the proxy there?
[10:18] <mvo> seb128: you can try "sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=1" with the karmic sources.list, that should give it a kick
[10:19] <mvo> seb128: e.g. when the error screen is there (when the error screen is there you need toappend -o Debug::NoLocking=true" as well)
[10:19] <mvo> seb128: while the error screen is there the sources.list is rewriten so that should be fine
[10:22] <seb128> mvo: no luck, same error
[10:22] <seb128> sum mismatch error
[10:27] <seb128> ok, no karmic for me apparently then
[10:35] <seb128> mvo: ok, it's working now
[10:43] <mvo> seb128: so the run after the apt-get update with u-m did succeed?
[10:43] <seb128> no
[10:44] <seb128> the apt-get calls failed the same way
[10:44] <seb128> but it autofixed after a while
[10:44] <seb128> that was either a server or proxy issue
[10:45] <mvo> k
[10:47] <seb128> I blame it on the office I have only such issues when I'm there
[11:03] <pitti> hm, I did a dist-upgrade this morning, worked fine
[11:06] <seb128> pitti: it's working fine now for me too
[13:24] <seb128> pitti: do you copy proposed uploads to karmic or only -updates ones?
[14:32] <pitti> seb128: I usually do it when I copy to -updates, why?
[14:33] <seb128> pitti: because I had karmic issues and that's because I upgraded from jaunty with proposed used to karmic
[14:33] <seb128> and I had binaries newer than the karmic version
[14:34] <seb128> I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to copy directly the binaries, so they could get extra testing on karmic too
[14:34] <seb128> and that would have that versions mismatch issues after upgrade
[14:34] <pitti> seb128: right, it's just a matter of checking when they are built
[14:35] <seb128> ah right
[15:00] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:01] <rickspencer3> hi seb128
[15:05] <kenvandine_wk> hey rickspencer3
[15:06] <seb128> waouh, pitti on g1 and ubuntu?
[15:06] <pitti> seb128: nah, just on G1 and android :)
[15:06] <seb128> ah ok
[15:06] <kenvandine_wk> hehe
[15:07]  * pitti_g1 waves from phone
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: what do you use for irc on the G1?  the app i have is crashy
[15:07] <seb128> I'm less impressed then ;-)
[15:07] <kenvandine_wk> fIRC
[15:07] <pitti_g1> ken
[15:07] <pitti_g1> fIRC, yes
[15:07] <pitti_g1> works fine here
[15:08] <Bassoon> Question: I have an ATI Radeon 3100 card in my laptop .. when i turn on DEsktop effects ... Things like Google earth and Secondlife go crazy. Kinda flicker ... I have seen this on some of the post .. but can it be worked around ...Sorry .. im a newbie ... and it's ubuntu 9.04 with the hardware drives installed .. from .. "hardware driver"  under system
[15:08] <kenvandine_wk> mine disconnects frequently... and requires a restart to connect again
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I haven't used it for so lnog
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I just got the android 1.5 update yesterday, and a lot of apps stopped working
[15:08] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: so I was testing what still works
[15:08] <kenvandine_wk> oh!
[15:09] <pitti> fortunately, ICQ, IRC, and ssh still work
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> i haven't gotten 1.5
[15:09] <pitti> but gps status and fastbright are broken now :/
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> ok... so not a good update :/
[15:09] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: oh, it's nice
[15:09] <pitti> just some third-party apps need to catch up, I guess
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> ah
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> any improvements to the camera?
[15:09] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: yes, it's much faster
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> i read something in the release notes about that
[15:09] <pitti> and there's a camcorder now, too
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> good!
[15:09] <kenvandine_wk> woot
[15:10] <pitti> and google talk, and some other new stuff
[15:10] <pitti> some cleaner menus, and a lot of little new features
[15:10]  * calc thinks he may wait for the samsung 7500 android phone
[15:10] <kenvandine_wk> calc: i really like the G1 hardware
[15:10] <calc> it should be out a few months once i finally get off my current contract :\
[15:10]  * kenvandine_wk wonders when he will get the goodness of 1.5
[15:11] <calc> kenvandine_wk: in the US next week i hear
[15:11] <kenvandine_wk> cool
[15:12] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: did you see that labyrinth program?
[15:12] <kenvandine_wk> nope
[15:12] <pitti> I wasn't aware before that the G1 had so precise position sensors
[15:12] <pitti> and of course the metal detector is just awesome, in a "hilarious" kind of way :)
[15:13] <crevette> pitti, how much cost this G1 ? (/me tires to resist to a gizmo addiction)
[15:13] <pitti> crevette: with my contract, 1 EUR
[15:13] <pitti> without a contract, it's $399, I think
[15:13] <crevette> nice
[15:13] <pitti> but of course I have to pay 40 EUR/month for the phone and 3G/EDGE/telephony flatrate
[15:14] <calc> iirc its ~ $150 in the US on contract
[15:14] <pitti> but *shrug*, it's such a nice toy
[15:14] <kenvandine_wk> calc: 179
[15:14] <calc> pitti: :-P so cheap in germany
[15:14] <pitti> calc: the monthly fee has the subsidy
[15:14] <calc> pitti: flatrate in the US is very expensive
[15:14] <kenvandine_wk> pitti: my wife just got a blackberry... i hate it
[15:14] <pitti> calc: well, FSVO "flat"
[15:14] <calc> pitti: iirc in the US that would $179 for the phone and another $100+ per month for flatrate
[15:15] <pitti> they throttle you to some ridiculously slow bandwidth once you surpass 2 GB a month or something such
[15:15] <pitti> calc: (!)
[15:15]  * kenvandine_wk installs labyrinth lite
[15:15] <pitti> but most of the time, I'm not downloading huge stuff
[15:15] <kenvandine_wk> calc: not that bad
[15:15] <calc> pitti: ah, i think the US flatrate throttle is usually ~ 5GB/mo
[15:15] <pitti> I just want to get mail, calendar updates, icq, stuff like that
[15:15] <kenvandine_wk> my plan is just $54.99 total
[15:16] <pitti> most of the time I don't even use 3G
[15:16] <pitti> even andnav and google maps are fast enough with EDGE
[15:16] <kenvandine_wk> and now with my wife's blackberry with a data plan... it is still less than we payed for our old fashioned phones
[15:16] <kenvandine_wk> :)
[15:17] <kenvandine_wk> oh this is an awesome game!
[15:18] <calc> kenvandine_wk: well at least in houston the tmobile unlimited plan is $100/mo
[15:18] <calc> then another $25/mo for unlimited web on top of that
[15:19] <calc> $100/mo is apparently just for phone service
[15:19] <calc> oh nm the web service appears to be included for $100/mo it shows up as an addon but is not selectable
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> calc: weird...
[15:20] <kenvandine_wk> my unlimited web is just 24.99
[15:21] <calc> anyone know if building against cups is generally broken atm?
[15:21] <calc> it seems OOo is failing against it
[15:21] <calc> kenvandine_wk: well apparently its either a $25 add on or free in some packages such as the $100 unlimited plan
[15:22] <pitti> kenvandine_wk: I wish there was neverball for the G1
[15:23] <pitti> calc: "against cups"?
[15:23] <calc> kenvandine_wk: actually it seems its not included it just forces you to autoadd it so unlimited phone and web is $125/mo
[15:23] <pitti> calc: a lot of packages currently fail because linux-libc-dev stopped shipping asm/*
[15:23] <calc> kenvandine_wk: once i got to checkout it showed that as the monthly rate
[15:23] <calc> pitti: ah maybe that is it
[15:23] <kenvandine_wk> calc: i just have a cheap plan... i don't actually call much :)
[15:23] <calc> pitti: it claims it can't find cpus in configure
[15:23] <kenvandine_wk> 300 minutes is plenty for me
[15:24] <calc> kenvandine_wk: i don't think i use that much either, just comparing the 40E plan to US which is $125 for equivalent service it seems
[15:24] <calc> kenvandine_wk: not too surprising considering broadband is similarly overpriced in the US as well
[15:25] <pitti> calc: what do you guys pay for a DSL line?
[15:25] <calc> pitti: i pay ~ $40/mo for 3mbps which is the best they even offer me
[15:25]  * pitti pays 38 EUR/month for DSL 6000 flat and landline flat
[15:25] <pitti> calc: that's pretty cheap, though
[15:25] <calc> that is just for the dsl though not phone service
[15:25] <calc> full phone service on top of that would probably add another $25 or so
[15:26] <pitti> oh, 3 MBit, nevermind; I misread it
[15:26] <crevette> In France we have fre.fr, whic propose 19,9 € for triple play
[15:26] <calc> i just voip
[15:26] <crevette> free.fr
[15:26] <crevette> 29,9
[15:26] <pitti> crevette: pretty comparable then
[15:26]  * pace_t_zulu feels like a sucker... Comcast is ricidulous
[15:27] <calc> pitti: they offer much better service than i get about 800 ft closer to their office, heh
[15:27] <crevette> we have, fuill internet, TV and Phone
[15:27] <seb128> crevette: not only free
[15:27] <seb128> crevette: neuf does the same for example
[15:27] <crevette> they did a revolution because when free came all other ISP were obliged to lower they price et up their services
[15:28] <crevette> seb128, because free put TNT on the market
[15:28] <crevette> :)
[15:28] <seb128> ?
[15:28] <crevette> seb128, I hope they'll have their 3G licence
[15:29] <seb128> the tnt is not a free thing
[15:29] <asac> 3G license?
[15:29] <calc> the US is just a bunch of localized monopolies so there really isn't any competition for pricing/service
[15:29] <crevette> seb128, I was meaning they did changed all the rules
[15:29] <seb128> asac: there is only 3 operators which are authorized to do 3G right now
[15:29] <seb128> asac: they want to open an extra spot
[15:29] <dobey> calc: not really.
[15:29] <calc> pitti: any estimate for when the header issue will be resolved wrt asm/* ?
[15:29] <dobey> calc: there's really only Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, and T-mo
[15:29] <seb128> crevette: still they have nothing to do with the numeric TV or TNT
[15:30] <calc> dobey: for local service?
[15:30] <crevette> seb128, forget about I said
[15:30] <dobey> calc: all the little mini local providers buy bandwidth from one of those 4
[15:30] <dobey> calc: mostly from verizon and sprint
[15:30] <calc> dobey: yea you can get the one of those that is in the area you are served by
[15:30] <seb128> crevette: ok ;-)
[15:30] <dobey> because they're mostlay all cdma services
[15:30] <pitti> calc: no idea; rtg ack'ed the bug and set it to "in progress", so I hope by tomorrow
[15:30] <asac> seb128: ah. so they want to buy the right to use a frequency ;)
[15:30] <calc> dobey: CLECs never really took off well due to the laws changing that helped them out
[15:30] <seb128> asac: yes
[15:30] <crevette> asac, and the business model of this ISP is quite different from the others
[15:31] <calc> dobey: and any particular area only has one ILEC and usually a cable company, so you have your choice between say ATT and Time-Warner
[15:31] <asac> crevette: how?
[15:31] <crevette> so we can expect to have lower price for data plan et cellular communications
[15:31] <calc> dobey: so not really any true competition in any real sense
[15:31] <asac> no money?
[15:31] <asac> ;)
[15:31] <dobey> calc: oh, i thought you were talking about cellular
[15:32] <calc> dobey: ah yea cellular is different in that there are at least 3 national providers and tons of little regional ones
[15:32] <dobey> calc: right, for hardline there's really only time warner and verizon, or whatever your local telco monopoly is for dsl
[15:32] <crevette> asac, they develop themself a lot of thing (like the set top box which run Linux) and rely a lot on OSS (so they have a lot of support from FOSS people)
[15:32] <asac> cool
[15:33] <calc> dobey: yea verizon is only in some areas of the US for landline, here for example my only choice is att for landline and comcast for cable
[15:33] <crevette> asac, and tehy don't try to have hight money return, but develop a lot of additionnal services
[15:33] <calc> pitti: ok
[15:34] <dobey> calc: well the cable providers all do phone now too
[15:34] <calc> pitti: that should be fine for me, just trying to fix the dumb OOo build errors and got really confused until you mentioned the header issue :)
[15:34] <dobey> calc: i was confused because i saw t-mobile unlimited plan being mentioned :)
[15:34] <pochu> crevette: I want free.es! :)
[15:35] <calc> dobey: yea, still my option for broadband here is only 3mbps from att or 6mbps from comcast (probably with caps, but not sure)
[15:35] <crevette> asac, I meant they down have high return per people, but as the same time they have a high market, free.fr earn a lot of money
[15:35] <calc> dobey: other places that have healthy competition and no legalized monopolies have much better rates available even for the same population density
[15:36] <dobey> calc: where is 'here'?
[15:36] <calc> dobey: houston
[15:36] <crevette> if you understand french an interview from the CEO worth the read
[15:36] <crevette> pochu, ask them :)
[15:36] <dobey> and you can only get 6mbit?
[15:36] <calc> dobey: ~ 5-7Mil people in the city here aiui but still no real broadband availability
[15:36] <calc> dobey: yea it sucks
[15:37] <crevette> asac, he wants to divide by ten the price of cellular communication
[15:37] <calc> dobey: some areas can get up to 18mbps but only where the monopolies feel like sticking it
[15:37] <calc> dobey: and from what i can gather it is very limited areas
[15:37] <dobey> calc: i have 20Mbps/3Mbps here (VA)
[15:37] <crevette> asac, so current cellular vendors are affraid to see free having the new licence
[15:37] <dobey> and that's only $50/mo
[15:38] <dobey> +~$10/mo for streaming netflix (whoot)
[15:38] <calc> dobey: :P
[15:39] <calc> dobey: that would be nice for OOo uploads :)
[15:39] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: who is your provider?
[15:41] <asac> 24Mbps/2Mbps is 23 EUR here :-P
[15:41] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: cox
[15:41] <asac> but i have to admit that i am too lazy and haven't moved my connection there (bad mistake i figure)
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: damn... i sooooo hate time warner
[15:42] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: i didn't know cox was in this area... you aren't that far from me :)
[15:43] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: yeah. i don't know if you can get it or not
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> my uplink sucks... really sucks
[15:43] <dobey> kenvandine_wk: i would have gotten verizon FiOS had it been available...
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> dobey: i am waiting for that :)
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> not holding  my breathe though
[15:43] <kenvandine_wk> there is a rumor it will be this year
[15:44] <dobey> yeah, some places in the area have it, just not the one i'm at apparently
[15:44] <dobey> hopefully i'll be able to get it when i buy a house
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> my uplink used to be pretty good with TWC... but over the years it has gone down
[15:45] <kenvandine_wk> uploading 3.4G of data with u1 really hurt :)
[15:50] <crevette> when the public beta will be available (/me would like to confirm by itself what U1 is)
[15:50] <crevette> :)
[15:57] <artir> U1 is teh secret canonical stuff
[15:57] <artir> ...
[15:57] <artir> xd
[15:58] <artir> if they tould you, they would have to kill you before and after
[15:58] <artir> is a online platform to allow developers to create applications that uses canonical servers to sync info. Is like MobileMe, but open and with custom applications
[15:59]  * artir runs away!
[15:59] <Amaranth> Please not like MobileMe
[15:59] <artir> why not?
[16:00] <artir> because it's uber expensive, closed and doesn't wor with linux?
[16:00] <Amaranth> Because MobileMe is like #2 on the reasons people call me
[16:00] <Amaranth> It's confusing, buggy, and makes people accidentally delete all their contacts
[16:00] <artir> XD
[16:01] <artir> lets's say that is what apple wanted mobile me to be
[16:02] <artir> i made a thread on the forums with all the info you may want
[16:22] <pmatulis> for lockdown purposes, how does one remove the 'Edit Menus' option in the Panel?
[16:27] <awe> pitti: ping
[16:28] <pitti> hey awe, good morning
[16:31] <awe> pitti, good afternoon to you
[16:31] <awe> pitti: just wondering who our resident exiga expert is
[16:31] <awe> pitti: been working on getting it setup this morning so i can chat with asac
[16:31] <awe> pitti: the wiki instructions are a bit outdated
[16:32] <awe> looks like settings changed a bit in jaunty
[16:32] <pitti> awe: I followed the wiki instructions about a month ago, and they still worked
[16:33] <pitti> awe: your canonical account doesn't work?
[16:33] <awe> well, that was part of the problem.  had to get is do a reset.
[16:34] <awe> nah, what i was asking about was the setting to turn off NAT traversal/STUN
[16:34] <pitti> awe: ah, just ignore that
[16:34] <pitti> it Just Works (TM)
[16:34] <pitti> you just need user/password/host
[16:34] <awe> it seems to be gone now...  ( OK, I'll add a note in the Wiki re: the new version / jaunty )
[16:34] <awe> thanx!
[16:35] <pitti> awe: works?
[16:35] <awe> do you know the song "mother"?  if not, you should learn it for the canonjam
[16:35] <pitti> awe: from which band is that?
[16:35]  * pitti knows one from John Lennon
[16:36] <awe> pitti: floyd... on the wall.  cool acoustic guitars
[16:36] <awe> mother do you think they'll drop the bomb
[16:36] <pitti> aah, that one
[16:37] <pitti> awe: I would like to sing, but I'm afraid I won't be able to learn guitar for that one by Barcelona
[16:37]  * pitti should do some practicing again
[16:37] <asac> awe: so you are connected now ;)?
[16:37] <awe> asac: close, but no cigar ( another floyd song )
[17:48]  * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises
[17:48] <rickspencer3> everyone on the desktop team, please note that peer review is due tomorrow!
[17:49] <rickspencer3> I see that not everyone has rated their manager either
[17:49] <rickspencer3> asac: Riddell: calc: ^^^^
[17:49] <rickspencer3> a gentle reminder ;)
[17:50] <Riddell> hmm?
[17:50] <Riddell> I don't think I saw anything about rating manager
[17:52] <rickspencer3> Riddell: it gets sent autmotically, but i can "resend" I think
[17:52] <rickspencer3> hmm
[17:53] <rickspencer3> looks like I can revoke the invitation too
[17:53]  * rickspencer3 mwuhahaha
[17:53] <Riddell> oh, it'll go into spam
[17:53] <Riddell> gmail thinks the review requests are spam
[17:53] <Riddell> rickspencer3: send it again and I'll dig it out
[17:57] <rickspencer3> Riddell: I resnt
[17:58] <rickspencer3> and Riddell, please look for teammates who have asked for feedback as well. Thanks!
[18:09] <kenvandine_wk> rickspencer3: do i get to rate you too?
[18:12] <rickspencer3> kenvandine_wk: I don't think so, because you missed the cutoff
[18:12] <rickspencer3> lucky for me I suppose ;)
[18:13] <pochu> can ai haz ratin? :)
[18:13] <rickspencer3> seriously, peer review is very valuable, so if it's been requested, please take it seriously
[18:14] <rickspencer3> pochu: do you think the HR tools over at icanhascheezburger are written like that?
[18:15] <pochu> HR?
[18:17] <rickspencer3> heh
[18:18] <hggdh> pochu HR == Hot Ratings , lesser known as Human Resources
[18:19] <pochu> ty
[18:19] <pochu> yeah, I hope they are :)
[18:23] <pitti> I'm off for today, friends of our's have their wedding eve today
[18:23]  * pitti waves
[18:23] <pitti> so in order to not get caught in the last 15 minutes I'll sign off now
[18:23] <kenvandine_wk> later pitti!
[18:36] <bryce_> heya rickspencer3, did you need me?
[22:03] <calc> rickspencer3: ping
[22:04] <rickspencer3> hi calc, 'sup?
[22:05] <calc> rickspencer3: OOo 3.1.0 should be built as soon as the findutils bug is fixed :)
[22:05] <rickspencer3> yeah!
[22:06] <calc> there is another bug but it might somehow be related to the findutils issue, i can't work on that issue though until findutils works, heh
[22:07] <calc> i had three different failure classes, cups headers didn't work due to findutils/linux-libc-dev issue, some sort of weird gcj issue (which may still need investigation), and a libltdl arch mismatch :)
[22:08] <calc> so it looks like barring the gcj issue that my upload went relatively smoothly from my side anyway :)
[22:08] <calc> and the final version of 3.1.0 is out now so as soon as i can get to debug the gcj issue i can upload it