[00:25] suspend/resume doesn't seem to work on a dell xps studio I own. Is this a question for the kernel team? [00:46] ppc build of epiphany-browser failed - is this something I need to worry about? how do I tell if it was already broken? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26413384/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.epiphany-browser_2.26.1-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [02:24] robert_ancell: good morning [02:25] just saying "hi" before I log off! === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [02:26] rickspencer3-afk: :) [06:48] hello [06:48] anyone awake? [06:48] i have a jaunty question.... anyone? [07:04] Good morning === crd1b is now known as crdlb [07:26] hi [07:49] pitti: are autoconf patches only required if a package fails to build? [07:50] robert_ancell: no, they are only required if a patch in debian/ubuntu changes any Makefile.am or configure.ac [07:50] usually upstream's autoconfiscation should work [07:50] (if we don't patch the build system) [07:51] cool, I can get rid of the autoconf patch for gnome-games then [07:53] pitti: ps, seb128 wanted me to SRU the totem changes (I do too). Ask him about it when he comes online. I'll be making 2.27 packages for totem tomorrow for Karmic [07:54] does anyone know what the state of clutter is in Ubuntu? Gnometris now requires clutter - do we no longer support it? [08:11] Guten Morgen pitti :) [08:11] hey robert_ancell [08:12] hey didrocks [08:12] robert_ancell: last time, I didn't build gnome-games with clutter. We discussed about that some monthes ago with seb128 as it was not required and not everybody have a decent driver to handle clutter [08:13] but yes, I saw that now it becomes a mandatory for gnometris [08:13] didrocks: can gnome-games have a build-depends on gnometris? Can we split gnometris into a separate package? [08:15] robert_ancell: I think it's possible to split it into a separate package, with two configures option (I don't rememeber if --enable-cluter is processed for everygames). Maybe patch the configure.in and split the package is a good idea. It's better to discuss that with seb128, I think :) [08:15] robert_ancell: did you have ever tried to run something based on clutter without 3D acceleration? [08:16] what's the result? [08:16] sure. I'm building currently with --enable-omitgames=gnometris [08:16] robert_ancell: okay; please request an SRU on the actual bugs then [08:16] that can be useful :) [08:16] I don't know about clutter. I developed glChess without hardware support and it runs ok [08:17] ok, I think with gnome-shell this question about clutter will become more and more important in a very near futur [08:17] maybe it worths a discussion at UDS [08:41] didrocks: there's a session for GNOME 3, you can raise it there :-) [08:46] pochu: great. I will :) [08:46] I hope the session lasts two hours ;) [08:48] pochu: yes, there is a lot of stuff to decide on it :) [08:48] pochu: do you come at UDS too? [08:49] yup :) [08:53] hello [08:53] lut crevette [08:54] salut didrocks [09:00] see you guys tomorrow [09:21] anyone here has any interest in hal? [09:23] chrisccoulson: hey, pitti has I would say, why? [09:24] i wrote a patch to fix a crasher and proposed a merge in to the ubuntu-core-dev branch, but I didn't select a reviewer and i don't think anyone was notified of the merge request. i was looking for someone to review the patch:) [09:26] I don't think that feature works fine, still much better to have a bug and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors [09:26] so it's listed on the sponsoring page and people don't forget about it [09:27] yeah, i might do that. is that still correct even though there isn't technically anything to sponsor (it's all just in bzr at the moment - I haven't attached a patch to the bug report) [09:27] you can add the bzr to the bug [09:28] i've done that. i'll subscribe u-m-s too. thanks [09:28] you're welcome [09:36] seb128: hi :) you want to sync gstreamer0.10, gst-plugins-base0.10 0.10.22.4-1 and gst0.10-python 0.10.14.4-1 from debian/experimental :) [09:37] slomo: hello, ok thanks [09:41] mvo: there? [09:43] seb128: yes [09:43] mvo: update-manager -d doesn't do anything useful on jaunty [09:45] seb128: I wonder if its because of the proxy in the office [09:45] seb128: what does your .update-manager-core/meta-release-development file look like? is this a jaunty system? or karmic already? [09:46] it's jaunty [09:47] mvo: karmic is listed [09:47] mvo: it's a jaunty stock install in kvm updated to current versions [09:48] ie upgrades applied [09:49] seb128: let me check here on a fresh jaunty install [09:49] mvo: don't bother, I just edit the sources.list and update the classic dist-upgrade way [09:50] seb128: please wait a minute [09:50] ok [09:51] seb128: can you please run: "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 update-manager -d" and pastebin me the output? (I hope there is some :) [09:53] mvo: current dist name: 'jaunty' [09:53] and nothing after that? [09:53] seb128: that is all? [09:53] no but it's in kvm and I can select and copy there easily [09:53] anything specific you want to know? [09:53] usedevel= true [09:53] -development [09:53] .download() [09:53] seb128: could you open a browser in kvm and just copy-paste to a pastebin there? [09:54] .parse() [09:54] seb128: or is net not working in it? [09:55] mvo: 165967 [09:56] seb128: thanks, I check it out now [09:56] mvo: that the pastebin.ubuntu.com number [09:58] thanks seb128 [09:58] mvo: it's working for you? [09:59] seb128: I'm looking for a stock image currently :) [10:00] seb128: could you please try now? [10:01] mvo: working now [10:01] mvo: so it was a bug on the server side? [10:05] slomo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22961501/gst0.10-python_0.10.14-1_0.10.14-1ubuntu1.diff.gz, gst-python has those changes not sure if they would make sense for debian [10:09] seb128: on my side, but fortunately I can work around it on the server. many thanks! [10:09] mvo: thank you for the quick fixing as usual [10:10] seb128: thank you for finding all my bugs :) [10:11] mvo: it's complaining about some packages.bz2 checksum not being correct [10:11] *sigh* [10:11] that will be a proxy issues, I'm sure [10:11] I guess that's a server issue and not your issue [10:11] seb128: hm, probably makes sense for debian too [10:12] seb128: i'll include that change and upload a new version now [10:12] I need to talk to elmo about this at some point to figure out what we can do about it to make them in sync again [10:12] mvo: since when are we using .bz2 and not .gz? [10:12] slomo: thanks! [10:12] * mvo waves to slomo [10:12] seb128: some time, a couple of releases. we still fallback to .gz if e.g. bzip2 is not installed [10:12] (or not availalbe on the server) [10:13] hi mvo :) [10:17] mvo: ok, so nothing I can do to kick the proxy there? [10:18] seb128: you can try "sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=1" with the karmic sources.list, that should give it a kick [10:19] seb128: e.g. when the error screen is there (when the error screen is there you need toappend -o Debug::NoLocking=true" as well) [10:19] seb128: while the error screen is there the sources.list is rewriten so that should be fine [10:22] mvo: no luck, same error [10:22] sum mismatch error [10:27] ok, no karmic for me apparently then [10:35] mvo: ok, it's working now [10:43] seb128: so the run after the apt-get update with u-m did succeed? [10:43] no [10:44] the apt-get calls failed the same way [10:44] but it autofixed after a while [10:44] that was either a server or proxy issue [10:45] k [10:47] I blame it on the office I have only such issues when I'm there [11:03] hm, I did a dist-upgrade this morning, worked fine [11:06] pitti: it's working fine now for me too === dpm_ is now known as dpm === davmor21 is now known as davmor2 [13:24] pitti: do you copy proposed uploads to karmic or only -updates ones? === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 === asac_ is now known as asac [14:32] seb128: I usually do it when I copy to -updates, why? [14:33] pitti: because I had karmic issues and that's because I upgraded from jaunty with proposed used to karmic [14:33] and I had binaries newer than the karmic version [14:34] I'm wondering if it wouldn't make sense to copy directly the binaries, so they could get extra testing on karmic too [14:34] and that would have that versions mismatch issues after upgrade [14:34] seb128: right, it's just a matter of checking when they are built [14:35] ah right [15:00] hey rickspencer3 [15:01] hi seb128 [15:05] hey rickspencer3 [15:06] waouh, pitti on g1 and ubuntu? [15:06] seb128: nah, just on G1 and android :) [15:06] ah ok [15:06] hehe [15:07] * pitti_g1 waves from phone [15:07] pitti: what do you use for irc on the G1? the app i have is crashy [15:07] I'm less impressed then ;-) [15:07] fIRC [15:07] ken [15:07] fIRC, yes [15:07] works fine here [15:08] Question: I have an ATI Radeon 3100 card in my laptop .. when i turn on DEsktop effects ... Things like Google earth and Secondlife go crazy. Kinda flicker ... I have seen this on some of the post .. but can it be worked around ...Sorry .. im a newbie ... and it's ubuntu 9.04 with the hardware drives installed .. from .. "hardware driver" under system [15:08] mine disconnects frequently... and requires a restart to connect again [15:08] kenvandine_wk: I haven't used it for so lnog [15:08] kenvandine_wk: I just got the android 1.5 update yesterday, and a lot of apps stopped working [15:08] kenvandine_wk: so I was testing what still works [15:08] oh! [15:09] fortunately, ICQ, IRC, and ssh still work [15:09] i haven't gotten 1.5 [15:09] but gps status and fastbright are broken now :/ [15:09] ok... so not a good update :/ [15:09] kenvandine_wk: oh, it's nice [15:09] just some third-party apps need to catch up, I guess [15:09] ah [15:09] any improvements to the camera? [15:09] kenvandine_wk: yes, it's much faster [15:09] i read something in the release notes about that [15:09] and there's a camcorder now, too [15:09] good! [15:09] woot [15:10] and google talk, and some other new stuff [15:10] some cleaner menus, and a lot of little new features [15:10] * calc thinks he may wait for the samsung 7500 android phone [15:10] calc: i really like the G1 hardware [15:10] it should be out a few months once i finally get off my current contract :\ [15:10] * kenvandine_wk wonders when he will get the goodness of 1.5 [15:11] kenvandine_wk: in the US next week i hear [15:11] cool [15:12] kenvandine_wk: did you see that labyrinth program? [15:12] nope [15:12] I wasn't aware before that the G1 had so precise position sensors [15:12] and of course the metal detector is just awesome, in a "hilarious" kind of way :) [15:13] pitti, how much cost this G1 ? (/me tires to resist to a gizmo addiction) [15:13] crevette: with my contract, 1 EUR [15:13] without a contract, it's $399, I think [15:13] nice [15:13] but of course I have to pay 40 EUR/month for the phone and 3G/EDGE/telephony flatrate [15:14] iirc its ~ $150 in the US on contract [15:14] but *shrug*, it's such a nice toy [15:14] calc: 179 [15:14] pitti: :-P so cheap in germany [15:14] calc: the monthly fee has the subsidy [15:14] pitti: flatrate in the US is very expensive [15:14] pitti: my wife just got a blackberry... i hate it [15:14] calc: well, FSVO "flat" [15:14] pitti: iirc in the US that would $179 for the phone and another $100+ per month for flatrate [15:15] they throttle you to some ridiculously slow bandwidth once you surpass 2 GB a month or something such [15:15] calc: (!) [15:15] * kenvandine_wk installs labyrinth lite [15:15] but most of the time, I'm not downloading huge stuff [15:15] calc: not that bad [15:15] pitti: ah, i think the US flatrate throttle is usually ~ 5GB/mo [15:15] I just want to get mail, calendar updates, icq, stuff like that [15:15] my plan is just $54.99 total [15:16] most of the time I don't even use 3G [15:16] even andnav and google maps are fast enough with EDGE [15:16] and now with my wife's blackberry with a data plan... it is still less than we payed for our old fashioned phones [15:16] :) [15:17] oh this is an awesome game! [15:18] kenvandine_wk: well at least in houston the tmobile unlimited plan is $100/mo [15:18] then another $25/mo for unlimited web on top of that [15:19] $100/mo is apparently just for phone service [15:19] oh nm the web service appears to be included for $100/mo it shows up as an addon but is not selectable [15:20] calc: weird... [15:20] my unlimited web is just 24.99 [15:21] anyone know if building against cups is generally broken atm? [15:21] it seems OOo is failing against it [15:21] kenvandine_wk: well apparently its either a $25 add on or free in some packages such as the $100 unlimited plan [15:22] kenvandine_wk: I wish there was neverball for the G1 [15:23] calc: "against cups"? [15:23] kenvandine_wk: actually it seems its not included it just forces you to autoadd it so unlimited phone and web is $125/mo [15:23] calc: a lot of packages currently fail because linux-libc-dev stopped shipping asm/* [15:23] kenvandine_wk: once i got to checkout it showed that as the monthly rate [15:23] pitti: ah maybe that is it [15:23] calc: i just have a cheap plan... i don't actually call much :) [15:23] pitti: it claims it can't find cpus in configure [15:23] 300 minutes is plenty for me [15:24] kenvandine_wk: i don't think i use that much either, just comparing the 40E plan to US which is $125 for equivalent service it seems [15:24] kenvandine_wk: not too surprising considering broadband is similarly overpriced in the US as well [15:25] calc: what do you guys pay for a DSL line? [15:25] pitti: i pay ~ $40/mo for 3mbps which is the best they even offer me [15:25] * pitti pays 38 EUR/month for DSL 6000 flat and landline flat [15:25] calc: that's pretty cheap, though [15:25] that is just for the dsl though not phone service [15:25] full phone service on top of that would probably add another $25 or so [15:26] oh, 3 MBit, nevermind; I misread it [15:26] In France we have fre.fr, whic propose 19,9 € for triple play [15:26] i just voip [15:26] free.fr [15:26] 29,9 [15:26] crevette: pretty comparable then [15:26] * pace_t_zulu feels like a sucker... Comcast is ricidulous [15:27] pitti: they offer much better service than i get about 800 ft closer to their office, heh [15:27] we have, fuill internet, TV and Phone [15:27] crevette: not only free [15:27] crevette: neuf does the same for example [15:27] they did a revolution because when free came all other ISP were obliged to lower they price et up their services [15:28] seb128, because free put TNT on the market [15:28] :) [15:28] ? [15:28] seb128, I hope they'll have their 3G licence [15:29] the tnt is not a free thing [15:29] 3G license? [15:29] the US is just a bunch of localized monopolies so there really isn't any competition for pricing/service [15:29] seb128, I was meaning they did changed all the rules [15:29] asac: there is only 3 operators which are authorized to do 3G right now [15:29] asac: they want to open an extra spot [15:29] calc: not really. [15:29] pitti: any estimate for when the header issue will be resolved wrt asm/* ? [15:29] calc: there's really only Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, and T-mo [15:29] crevette: still they have nothing to do with the numeric TV or TNT [15:30] dobey: for local service? [15:30] seb128, forget about I said [15:30] calc: all the little mini local providers buy bandwidth from one of those 4 [15:30] calc: mostly from verizon and sprint [15:30] dobey: yea you can get the one of those that is in the area you are served by [15:30] crevette: ok ;-) [15:30] because they're mostlay all cdma services [15:30] calc: no idea; rtg ack'ed the bug and set it to "in progress", so I hope by tomorrow [15:30] seb128: ah. so they want to buy the right to use a frequency ;) [15:30] dobey: CLECs never really took off well due to the laws changing that helped them out [15:30] asac: yes [15:30] asac, and the business model of this ISP is quite different from the others [15:31] dobey: and any particular area only has one ILEC and usually a cable company, so you have your choice between say ATT and Time-Warner [15:31] crevette: how? [15:31] so we can expect to have lower price for data plan et cellular communications [15:31] dobey: so not really any true competition in any real sense [15:31] no money? [15:31] ;) [15:31] calc: oh, i thought you were talking about cellular [15:32] dobey: ah yea cellular is different in that there are at least 3 national providers and tons of little regional ones [15:32] calc: right, for hardline there's really only time warner and verizon, or whatever your local telco monopoly is for dsl [15:32] asac, they develop themself a lot of thing (like the set top box which run Linux) and rely a lot on OSS (so they have a lot of support from FOSS people) [15:32] cool [15:33] dobey: yea verizon is only in some areas of the US for landline, here for example my only choice is att for landline and comcast for cable [15:33] asac, and tehy don't try to have hight money return, but develop a lot of additionnal services [15:33] pitti: ok [15:34] calc: well the cable providers all do phone now too [15:34] pitti: that should be fine for me, just trying to fix the dumb OOo build errors and got really confused until you mentioned the header issue :) [15:34] calc: i was confused because i saw t-mobile unlimited plan being mentioned :) [15:34] crevette: I want free.es! :) [15:35] dobey: yea, still my option for broadband here is only 3mbps from att or 6mbps from comcast (probably with caps, but not sure) [15:35] asac, I meant they down have high return per people, but as the same time they have a high market, free.fr earn a lot of money [15:35] dobey: other places that have healthy competition and no legalized monopolies have much better rates available even for the same population density [15:36] calc: where is 'here'? [15:36] dobey: houston [15:36] if you understand french an interview from the CEO worth the read [15:36] pochu, ask them :) [15:36] and you can only get 6mbit? [15:36] dobey: ~ 5-7Mil people in the city here aiui but still no real broadband availability [15:36] dobey: yea it sucks [15:37] asac, he wants to divide by ten the price of cellular communication [15:37] dobey: some areas can get up to 18mbps but only where the monopolies feel like sticking it [15:37] dobey: and from what i can gather it is very limited areas [15:37] calc: i have 20Mbps/3Mbps here (VA) [15:37] asac, so current cellular vendors are affraid to see free having the new licence [15:37] and that's only $50/mo [15:38] +~$10/mo for streaming netflix (whoot) [15:38] dobey: :P [15:39] dobey: that would be nice for OOo uploads :) [15:39] dobey: who is your provider? [15:41] 24Mbps/2Mbps is 23 EUR here :-P [15:41] kenvandine_wk: cox [15:41] but i have to admit that i am too lazy and haven't moved my connection there (bad mistake i figure) [15:42] dobey: damn... i sooooo hate time warner [15:42] dobey: i didn't know cox was in this area... you aren't that far from me :) [15:43] kenvandine_wk: yeah. i don't know if you can get it or not [15:43] my uplink sucks... really sucks [15:43] kenvandine_wk: i would have gotten verizon FiOS had it been available... [15:43] dobey: i am waiting for that :) [15:43] not holding my breathe though [15:43] there is a rumor it will be this year [15:44] yeah, some places in the area have it, just not the one i'm at apparently [15:44] hopefully i'll be able to get it when i buy a house [15:45] my uplink used to be pretty good with TWC... but over the years it has gone down [15:45] uploading 3.4G of data with u1 really hurt :) [15:50] when the public beta will be available (/me would like to confirm by itself what U1 is) [15:50] :) [15:57] U1 is teh secret canonical stuff [15:57] ... [15:57] xd [15:58] if they tould you, they would have to kill you before and after [15:58] is a online platform to allow developers to create applications that uses canonical servers to sync info. Is like MobileMe, but open and with custom applications [15:59] * artir runs away! [15:59] Please not like MobileMe [15:59] why not? [16:00] because it's uber expensive, closed and doesn't wor with linux? [16:00] Because MobileMe is like #2 on the reasons people call me [16:00] It's confusing, buggy, and makes people accidentally delete all their contacts [16:00] XD [16:01] lets's say that is what apple wanted mobile me to be [16:02] i made a thread on the forums with all the info you may want [16:22] for lockdown purposes, how does one remove the 'Edit Menus' option in the Panel? [16:27] pitti: ping [16:28] hey awe, good morning [16:31] pitti, good afternoon to you [16:31] pitti: just wondering who our resident exiga expert is [16:31] pitti: been working on getting it setup this morning so i can chat with asac [16:31] pitti: the wiki instructions are a bit outdated [16:32] looks like settings changed a bit in jaunty [16:32] awe: I followed the wiki instructions about a month ago, and they still worked [16:33] awe: your canonical account doesn't work? [16:33] well, that was part of the problem. had to get is do a reset. [16:34] nah, what i was asking about was the setting to turn off NAT traversal/STUN [16:34] awe: ah, just ignore that [16:34] it Just Works (TM) [16:34] you just need user/password/host [16:34] it seems to be gone now... ( OK, I'll add a note in the Wiki re: the new version / jaunty ) [16:34] thanx! [16:35] awe: works? [16:35] do you know the song "mother"? if not, you should learn it for the canonjam [16:35] awe: from which band is that? [16:35] * pitti knows one from John Lennon [16:36] pitti: floyd... on the wall. cool acoustic guitars [16:36] mother do you think they'll drop the bomb [16:36] aah, that one [16:37] awe: I would like to sing, but I'm afraid I won't be able to learn guitar for that one by Barcelona [16:37] * pitti should do some practicing again [16:37] awe: so you are connected now ;)? [16:37] asac: close, but no cigar ( another floyd song ) [17:48] * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises [17:48] everyone on the desktop team, please note that peer review is due tomorrow! [17:49] I see that not everyone has rated their manager either [17:49] asac: Riddell: calc: ^^^^ [17:49] a gentle reminder ;) [17:50] hmm? [17:50] I don't think I saw anything about rating manager [17:52] Riddell: it gets sent autmotically, but i can "resend" I think [17:52] hmm [17:53] looks like I can revoke the invitation too [17:53] * rickspencer3 mwuhahaha [17:53] oh, it'll go into spam [17:53] gmail thinks the review requests are spam [17:53] rickspencer3: send it again and I'll dig it out === awe is now known as awe-lunch [17:57] Riddell: I resnt [17:58] and Riddell, please look for teammates who have asked for feedback as well. Thanks! [18:09] rickspencer3: do i get to rate you too? [18:12] kenvandine_wk: I don't think so, because you missed the cutoff [18:12] lucky for me I suppose ;) [18:13] can ai haz ratin? :) [18:13] seriously, peer review is very valuable, so if it's been requested, please take it seriously [18:14] pochu: do you think the HR tools over at icanhascheezburger are written like that? [18:15] HR? [18:17] heh === awe-lunch is now known as awe [18:18] pochu HR == Hot Ratings , lesser known as Human Resources [18:19] ty [18:19] yeah, I hope they are :) [18:23] I'm off for today, friends of our's have their wedding eve today [18:23] * pitti waves [18:23] so in order to not get caught in the last 15 minutes I'll sign off now [18:23] later pitti! [18:36] heya rickspencer3, did you need me? === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [22:03] rickspencer3: ping [22:04] hi calc, 'sup? [22:05] rickspencer3: OOo 3.1.0 should be built as soon as the findutils bug is fixed :) [22:05] yeah! [22:06] there is another bug but it might somehow be related to the findutils issue, i can't work on that issue though until findutils works, heh [22:07] i had three different failure classes, cups headers didn't work due to findutils/linux-libc-dev issue, some sort of weird gcj issue (which may still need investigation), and a libltdl arch mismatch :) [22:08] so it looks like barring the gcj issue that my upload went relatively smoothly from my side anyway :) [22:08] and the final version of 3.1.0 is out now so as soon as i can get to debug the gcj issue i can upload it