[00:23] <genii> Pizza. /away
[01:08] <genii> Hm
[01:08] <genii> !utf8
[01:09] <Seeker`> genii: probably isn't against the rules
[01:09] <genii> Hehe, likely not. Just for me more annoying than "lol omfg wth" etc etc
[01:09] <Seeker`> heh
[01:09] <Seeker`> tell them to stop then :P
[01:10] <genii> It will pas in a bit
[01:54] <Pici> mattgyver is a regular, I doubt he messaged this guy.
[01:56] <Pici> ugh
[01:56] <genii> Yup
[01:57] <Pici> I'm going to make some dinner (read: put pizza in the oven)
[01:57] <Pici> Hopefully this doesnt get out of hand.
[01:57] <Seeker`> I may ban ``mEnEks in a minute
[01:57] <Pici> The irc stuff, not the pizza.  I think I can handle pizza.
[01:57] <Seeker`> :P
[01:57] <Seeker`> I should hope so
[02:06] <genii> Geez. Is it a full moon out or something?
[02:06] <Pici> I was just thinking the same thing
[02:07] <LjL> don't tell me.
[02:07] <LjL> i have highlights.
[02:08] <Pici> The random comments aren't helping
[02:08] <genii> I agree
[02:08] <Seeker`> me too
[02:11] <genii> klownface is a troll
[02:15] <genii> Seeker`: Thanks
[02:15] <Seeker`> np
[02:16] <Seeker`> genii: what client do you use?
[02:16] <genii> Quassel
[02:17] <Seeker`> you have something equivalent to irssi's auto_bleh?
[02:17] <genii> Nope
[02:17] <Seeker`> :/
[02:17] <Seeker`> jussi uses quassel doesn't he?
[02:17] <genii> Yup
[02:17] <Seeker`> ask him if he has any kick/ban scripts you can steal when he is around
[02:19] <LjL> my bots are going down
[02:20] <Seeker`> http://uop.pastebin.com/d3187d3c9
[02:21] <Seeker`> genii: Pici ^
[02:22] <genii> Yeah that guy is just an idiot
[02:23] <Seeker`> genii: with a decent script, banning people is as simple as /abk <nick>
[02:24] <genii> I had to recompile Quassel a lot lately and the scripts I had in it before get lost each time
[02:25] <genii> If I'd known it was gonna be a full-moon evening I probably wouldn't have drank those 5 beers after work....
[02:25] <Seeker`> hehe
[02:28] <Seeker`> that was fun
[02:29] <Seeker`> apparently "abgctf" would like to "joust" with me
[02:29] <genii> That guy must be a pretty crappy programmer if his idea of logic is what he's currently doing
[02:30] <Seeker`> sadly logic != social skills
[02:30] <Seeker`> also, most people aren't as logical as they claim to be
[02:30] <genii> You have somewhat of a point
[02:31] <Seeker`> the number of people that you can have a logical argument /discussion with is rather disappointing actually
[02:32] <Seeker`> most people make an attempt, start to fall back on logical fallacies to prove their point, then just resort to "I'm right, you're wrong"
[02:41] <genii> Well, time for me to get out of here and get some rest. Night
[02:42] <Seeker`> seeya
[02:56] <Seeker`> monestri: how can we hlep you?
[03:02] <Seeker`> monestri: please don't idle in here
[03:02] <monestri> :(
[03:02] <monestri> i wanted to feel spehcial
[03:11] <Seeker`> I'm out
[03:11] <Seeker`> nn
[05:00] <phix> hey
[06:56] <ikonia> phix: hello
[06:57] <ikonia> phix: what's up?
[06:59] <ikonia> phix: you've been asked not to idle here yet you've been sat here for over an hour and a half - do you want/need something ?
[07:04] <ikonia> jussi01: Myrtti tsimpson Pici ^^ can you remove this guy when you get chance, it's getting an old routine now
[07:04] <ikonia> nice service !
[07:05] <ikonia> time to get ready for work then
[07:05]  * jussi01 should go to work....
[07:05] <ikonia> yes yes
[07:06] <jussi01> ikonia: did you get time to make a vid yet?
[07:07] <ikonia> still waiting for my "sony" firewire cable, I can't get anything off without it
[07:07] <ikonia> why sony use their own connection.....I'll never know
[07:08] <jussi01> heh
[07:08] <ikonia> right, must get dressed, back on in an hour or so
[07:08] <jussi01> later
[09:39]  * ikonia returns
[09:40] <jpds> ikonia: morning.
[09:40] <ikonia> good morning
[09:52] <Madpilot> OK, why is update-manager trying to run a dist-upgrade on my machine?
[09:55] <ikonia> is it trying to update to 9.04 ?
[09:56] <Madpilot> already running that - it's asking to do a partial upgrade
[09:57] <ikonia> ooh
[09:57]  * Madpilot is not impressed with the handling up updates in 9.04... 8.10 worked nicely, but the new treatment of update-notifier is silly
[09:58] <Madpilot> s/up/of
[09:58] <Madpilot> going to ignore it for now, see if it sorts itself out tomorrow...
[09:58] <ikonia> I have been toying with taking my laptop up to 9.04 but 8.10 is just too solid to not use for work
[10:00] <Madpilot> aside from the upgrade handling, 9.04 has actually been better here than 8.10 was. a few niggling little quirks have vanished
[10:00] <ikonia> I have an intel card in my laptop so I'm sitting back waiting for core issues to be solidly fixed
[10:00] <Madpilot> I've heard there's been a few Intel graphic card issues
[10:01] <Madpilot> ironic that 9.04 finally saw my ATI card fully supported (finally!) by the FLOSS drivers :)
[10:01] <ikonia> Madpilot: quite a lot of serious issues actually
[10:04] <Madpilot> intel's always been the go-to graphics chipset for Linux goodness, up until now.
[10:04] <Madpilot> I've spent whole releases (Dapper, dammit) with no working 3d accel on my ATI, but now it Just Works
[10:09] <elky> Madpilot, my eeepc701 for example, especially considering UNR is either composite or nothing. of course, eeepc701s are rare and stuff ;)
[10:09] <Madpilot> I thought unr used metacity?
[10:10] <elky> not for the launcher
[10:10] <Madpilot> ah
[10:10] <elky> it has blingy little animations. which use clutter.
[10:10]  * Madpilot had an opportunity to buy an as-new Dell Mini9 for only $300... but doesn't have a spare $300...
[10:10] <elky> it's functional. but not usable.
[10:11] <Madpilot> not cool
[10:12] <elky> i'm ok for cash at the moment. just bought a really nice new laptop that should be fairly future-proofed.
[10:13] <elky> dual core, 4gb ram, 9cell battery.
[10:14] <Madpilot> sweet. I upped this desktop to near it's max last fall, but would like to get a netbook for work & coffee shops
[10:16] <elky> i'm looking to upgrade to a future-safe desktop too. ya know, quad core, as much ram as i can, 2-4 screen capacity
[10:17] <elky> now's the perfect time, while prices are low to try get people spending again.
[10:18] <elky> i was going to start looking for a mortgage, but i think i might leave that another year.
[10:18] <Madpilot> pity I'm the brokest I've been in a decade :(
[10:18] <elky> aww
[10:18] <Madpilot> this old 32bit desktop will do for another year or two. Brand-new 500GB HDD means I won't run out of space, anyway
[10:19] <Madpilot> and 3GB of RAM + swap means the CPU is the chokepoint now, but it'll still run 6 desktops full of stuff w/o complaining
[10:20] <Madpilot> yesterday I had Epiphany, XChat, Nautilus x2, Inkscape, GIMP & OOo Writer x2 all open, and it was still responsive. Go GNOME & aggressive Linux RAM use!
[10:20] <elky> yeah. try that in That Other OS.
[10:21] <elky> i mean, with it's common equivalents
[10:21] <Madpilot> the XP machine at work starts to choke after about the 5th Firefox tab, with only two other apps running...
[10:22] <elky> hell, try that with Photoshop/Illustrator on vista. I guarantee tears.
[10:22] <Madpilot> and it's actually a much, much newer machine than mine. Except it sucks, and mine doesn't...
[10:23] <elky> i had to upgrade my laptop because my old one was/is not healthy
[10:23] <elky> i know someone with the same make, so i'll donate it to them for parts. they'll have a second half-hour battery.
[10:24] <Madpilot> my brother's old lappy is down to about 12 minutes of battery life, apparently. When it wakes up at all.
[10:24] <elky> yeah, the big bugbear for the old one was that it'd heat up bad and slow to a crawl. a reboot would fix it... but the reboot took an hour as it had to cool down before it'd come back up.
[10:25] <Madpilot> and his new one has Vista and some oddball partitioning scheme he hasnt figured out yet. So it's UNR on liveUSB for him for now.
[10:25] <ikonia> UNR.....spreading thing
[10:25] <ikonia> thin
[10:40] <ikonia> !ar
[10:40] <ikonia> rats
[10:40] <Madpilot> !arrrrr
[10:40] <ikonia> ha
[10:41] <Madpilot> when is Speak Like A Pirate Day, anyway? we need to get the bot trained up
[10:41] <Madpilot> looking for an Arabic tell for the guy on #u?
[10:41] <ikonia> please don't, I can see the botabuse now
[10:41] <ikonia> Madpilot: got it
[10:43] <elky> Madpilot, same day as software freedom day :-/
[10:43] <Madpilot> Bonus!
[10:43] <Madpilot> Speak Like A Free Software Pirate Day!
[10:43] <Madpilot> or something
[10:43] <Madpilot> the concept might need some work
[10:44] <elky> the president of SFI thinks it's a great that it's on the same day and wants to incorporate the two somehow. i dont predict a happy ending
[10:45] <ikonia> no
[10:45] <ikonia> nice way to give something credability - mess around
[10:46] <Madpilot> "Use Linux! Make Windows Walk The Plank!"
[12:58] <Pici> Talk like a pirate day is September 17th
[13:01] <elky> you sure?
[13:01] <elky> http://www.talklikeapirateday.com/
[13:01] <Pici> oh
[13:01] <Pici> I was close :)
[13:02] <Pici> Its correct on my calendar, I was just guessing.
[13:09] <elky> :P
[13:51] <ikonia> KZKG^Gaara: hello
[13:51] <KZKG^Gaara> Hi
[13:51] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[13:51] <KZKG^Gaara> "You were redirected here because a lot of spam comes from your ISP"
[13:51] <KZKG^Gaara> What this all about?
[13:52] <ikonia> KZKG^Gaara: you where directed to this channel or #ubuntu-proxy-users ?
[13:52] <KZKG^Gaara> To #ubuntu-graylist
[13:53] <ikonia> ahh ok, 
[13:53] <ikonia> so basiclly the ISP you're using is famous as a spam host ISP - so it's banned from the channels you have to have an exception put in place to use #ubuntu
[13:54] <ikonia> what channel do you want to gain access to ?
[13:54] <KZKG^Gaara> Yeah I understand that but... this is not my foul; somebody can help me?
[13:55] <ikonia> KZKG^Gaara: yes, we are here to help, what channel do you want to get into ?
[13:56] <KZKG^Gaara> #ubuntu-es & #ubuntu-es-offtopic (if i was banned in this second too)
[13:56] <ikonia> KZKG^Gaara: one moment
[13:57] <KZKG^Gaara> ok no problem
[14:01] <ikonia> just trying to get hold of one of the ubuntu-es ops for you now, if you join #ubuntu-irc you'll be able to see when one of them comes on line
[14:02] <KZKG^Gaara> the problem is that I don´t remember the nicks of the ops of ubuntu-es
[14:03] <ikonia> if you join #ubuntu-irc you'll see me asking
[14:04] <KZKG^Gaara> ooh yeah see you now xD
[14:04] <ikonia> KZKG^Gaara: ok, so if you leave here and work it through in #ubuntu-irc you'll be fine
[14:04] <KZKG^Gaara> Ok thanks for all
[14:04] <KZKG^Gaara> By the way... sorry for my english
[14:05] <ikonia> no problem
[14:05] <KZKG^Gaara> Bye and thanks again
[14:45]  * genii brews a fresh pot of coffee for everyone
[14:49] <genii> @time helsinki
[14:49] <genii> @login
[15:06] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[15:06] <jussi01> hrm... is that still turned off...
[15:06] <jussi01> thought tsimpson fixed it
[15:14] <tsimpson> ubottu: load Stuff
[15:14] <tsimpson> @now
[15:14] <tsimpson> @now helsinki
[15:15] <bazhang> @now Taipei
[15:15] <bazhang> @login
[15:15] <bazhang> @now Taipei
[15:20] <genii> Weird that ubottu says "the operation succeeded", then right after knows nothing about "Stuff"
[15:44] <Jack_Sparrow> Handled
[15:45] <bazhang> he logged into two accounts
[15:45] <Jack_Sparrow> Morning..  Here anyhow
[15:45] <bazhang> hi :)
[15:50] <genii> /away for a bit
[15:58] <Pici> ikonia/everyone: Please make sure that your bans do not have pipes in them.  They are not escaped by the floodbots when it does ban checking and treats them as regex ORs.
[15:58] <ikonia> Pici: did I hit a | 
[15:58] <Pici> i.e: *!*|?=uk@121* 
[15:58] <ikonia> yeah, just seen Jack_Sparrow corrected it
[15:58] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[15:58] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: thanks also 
[15:59] <bazhang> pronoy, hi
[15:59] <ikonia> no he didn't, I'll fix now
[15:59] <Pici> pronoy: Whats up, how can we help you today?
[15:59] <Pici> ikonia: I removed it.
[15:59] <pronoy> Pici: oh man.....wrong channel...sorry
[15:59] <pronoy> :D
[16:00] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry, did I do something.. wrong
[16:00] <ikonia> Jack_Sparrow: no, I thought you had fixed something I did wrong
[16:00] <ikonia> Pici: corrected now
[16:01] <Jack_Sparrow> ty
[16:03] <ikonia> pronoy: what's going on ?
[16:03] <pronoy> sorry to bother i do have a question
[16:04] <pronoy> the channel ops .... what does +o mean ?
[16:04] <pronoy> and how many types of modes are there ?
[16:04] <ikonia> it means grant operator status on that user
[16:04] <Pici> !modes
[16:04] <pronoy> ok..thank you Pici ......sorry to bother ikonia
[16:05] <Pici> okay then.
[16:12] <genii> Hm... was there a disconnect from this nick?
[16:16] <genii> ( I came back to the computer to find client disconnected but other stuff here using the connection was still going... wondering if jussi's machine is going up/down again, it would disconnect and our nicks would likely timeout or so)
[16:17] <bazhang> genii, not since you said /away for a bit
[16:17] <genii> bazhang: OK, thanks. Something local then, looks like
[16:17]  * genii investigates
[16:41] <screamsayonara> can i get unbanned from the ubuntu offtopic channel, really, im a nice girl
[16:41] <screamsayonara> it was just a ridiculous moment of my life
[16:41] <screamsayonara> i <3 ubuntu
[16:41] <screamsayonara> it was ages ago, also
[16:42]  * genii prods at Pici
[16:43] <genii> screamsayonara: The op responsible isn't currently available. Please try again later.
[16:44] <screamsayonara> ok... vielen dank
[16:48] <mneptok> "danke"
[16:48] <mneptok> but ... whatever ...
[18:08] <mneptok> time to clear old bans. the banlist is full.
[18:36] <Seeker`> hidensoft: how can we help you?
[18:37] <hidensoft> i can't access to some folder
[18:38] <Seeker`> hidensoft: this isn't a support channel
[18:38] <hidensoft> is this ?
[18:39] <Pici> hidensoft: You're already getting support in #kubuntu.  I told you ubottu was a bot after you messaged it, you can ignore what it said to you.
[18:40] <hidensoft> aha
[18:40] <hidensoft> ok
[18:40] <hidensoft> i'm sorry
[18:41] <Seeker`> hidensoft: if you don;t have any operator related questions, please leave this channel
[18:41] <hidensoft> ok
[20:07] <genii-around> @login
[20:10]  * genii-around gargles down a coffee
[20:11] <Seeker`> wb
[20:12] <genii-around> Give me a minute, need to do the ol switcheroo again here...
[20:13]  * genii sips
[20:42] <ikonia> good evening
[20:44] <Seeker`> o/
[20:44] <genii> ikonia: Hello
[20:44] <ikonia> howdy
[21:05] <ikonia> deany again
[21:05] <Seeker`> what else has he done?
[21:06] <ikonia> normally just mouthy
[21:25] <Seeker`> hi
[21:26] <jussi01> runny nose and sore throat sucks
[21:27] <Seeker`> swine flu?
[21:27] <jussi01> ha... ha... ha
[21:29] <Seeker`> dont you mean "oink oink oink"?
[21:30] <jussi01> lol
[21:34] <Seeker`> hmm, tell DrDerek to stop or not?
[21:36] <ikonia> Seeker`: not impressed as I mentioned the topic less than 5 minutes ago 
[21:37] <ikonia> I don't understand why people need to go to #ubuntu-offtopic when they are in ##club-ubuntu as club-ubuntu is basiclly ubuntu offtopic with swearing allowed
[21:37]  * jussi01 waves to ikonia
[21:37] <ikonia> hello
[22:00]  * jussi01 pms ikonia
[22:08] <ikonia> modmadmike: hi, thanks for joining, I wanted to have a chat with you outside the main content of the ubuntu channel
[22:09] <ikonia> modmadmike: I'm getting the impression (maybe wrongly) you are quite new to ubuntu or linux in general, is that true ?
[22:10] <modmadmike> nope used linux for the past 9 years with mandrake linux 7
[22:10] <ikonia> really ?
[22:10] <modmadmike> as my first
[22:10] <modmadmike> yes
[22:10] <ikonia> the reason I'm asking is some of the info you're giving out is a little questionable and random
[22:11] <modmadmike> lol
[22:11] <ikonia> I basiclly wanted to ask you to consider what you're offering to people as advice as people have all ranges in the channel
[22:11] <ikonia> (which I didn't want to ask in the main channel)
[22:12] <modmadmike> then explain why in 8.04 the HDA intel driver worked in the generic kernel but not the server kernel
[22:12] <ikonia> modmadmike: I can't without research, 
[22:12] <modmadmike> when it first came out that is
[22:12] <ikonia> modmadmike: but saying the server kernel has better sound support with no subastance is crazy 
[22:12] <ikonia> modmadmike: and that wasn't the only comment - hence why I'm asking you to just consider what your telling the users 
[22:13] <modmadmike> the kernels manage device drivers differently sometimes i have had better support in the server kernel somtimes with the generic
[22:13] <ikonia> modmadmike: they don't, they are the same base kernel 
[22:13] <mneptok> modmadmike: recommending a server kernel to desktop users in a main support channel is not a good idea.
[22:14] <ikonia> but as I said, that wasn't th eonly point I was bringing up - that was just one example
[22:14] <modmadmike> and what are your other examples
[22:15] <ikonia> intel drivers are poor
[22:15] <ikonia> compile vmware
[22:15] <ikonia> I can go through the logs if you want
[22:15] <modmadmike> i don;t use vmware so i would not know
[22:15] <ikonia> helping is great, I'm just asking you consider what you say to people
[22:15] <ikonia> modmadmike: so if you don't know - why say something
[22:15] <ikonia> modmadmike: just ignore the question and let someone who does know answer it
[22:15] <ikonia> blind help can cause more damage
[22:16] <ikonia> that doesn't mean lose the enthusiasm, just don't be afraid of not answering if you don't know 
[22:17] <modmadmike> I have to leave to go fishing | i wont give blind support anymore ok
[22:17] <ikonia> and think that your experience may not be the norm, so if you don't have good luck with intel video drivers, that doesn't make them "rubbish" - it just means you've had a problem (they may well be bad too) just a little more though t
[22:17] <mneptok> modmadmike: and using "lol" as punctuation immediately makes experienced people think "i have t-shirts older than this guy" ;)
[22:17] <ikonia> modmadmike: thanks for popping in, I won't keep you from your fishing, just food for thought
[22:18] <modmadmike> ok
[22:18] <Mez> ikonia: fish food?
[22:18] <ikonia> he wasn't paying any attention to that, but it was worth a go
[22:18]  * ikonia ignores mez's pun
[22:18] <Mez> :'(
[22:19] <ikonia> do better....
[22:19]  * Mez sticks tongue out @ ikonia
[22:19] <ikonia> thank you
[22:21]  * mneptok can smell the freshly baked H1N1
[22:21] <Flannel> Mmmmmm... tasty piggies.
[22:21] <mneptok> ojnk
[22:22] <Flannel> is that how engineers say what mathematicians call "oink"
[22:22] <Mez> mneptok: I smell freshly baked c21h30o2
[22:23] <mneptok> criheoor?
[22:39] <Seeker`> what did we decide about 4chan?
[22:42] <Slart> hello.. can someone have a look at HardCockOnCam in #ubuntu.. he's being kind of annoying, besides the name
[22:43] <Seeker`> already left
[22:43] <Slart> indeed.. nevermind then =)
[22:43] <Seeker`> if you see someone with such a blatently wrong nickname, feel free to use the ops factoid
[22:43] <Slart> ok, will do
[22:43]  * Flannel already tried to remove him, discovered that he wasn't identified.
[22:43] <Slart> thanks
[22:46] <Seeker`> hmm, what should I have on hilight
[22:46] <Flannel> puppies
[22:47] <mneptok> "HardCockOnCam." that nick is proof enough that free wifi at truck stops is a Bad Idea(tm)
[22:48] <ikonia> ha ha
[22:48] <Seeker`> Thats proof that people need to pass a test before they can use the internet :P
[23:23] <phix> hey
[23:23] <ikonia> hello
[23:24] <phix> Would you be a pal and remove the ban for me? :)
[23:24] <ikonia> phix: I don't think it's appropriate personally, and I've read the others comments which seem to lean on it not being removed at the moment so I don't think it would be a good move for me to remove it with them not around
[23:25] <ikonia> I believe it was Pici who banned you initially (I've not checked) 
[23:25] <phix> ok
[23:25] <phix> I don't mind waiting
[23:25] <ikonia> well as you've been told this is a no idle channel
[23:26] <ikonia> I'll check on who banned you, one moment
[23:26] <phix> true
[23:26] <phix> can you make any suggestions for a ubuntu related channel I can idle in?
[23:26] <phix> ok
[23:26] <ikonia> no
[23:27] <ikonia> I've just checked and you've been banned from multiple channels by multiple people
[23:27] <phix> yup
[23:27] <phix> was a good night :)
[23:27] <ikonia> ok - so I think you need to leave now
[23:27] <phix> oh
[23:28] <phix> ok, cya later ikonia, thank you for your assistance
[23:28] <ikonia> bye
[23:28] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops phix crappy attitude again towards getting the multiple bans removed
[23:29] <bazhang> a good night?
[23:30] <bazhang> that comment is a near guarantee he will start trolling again as soon as unbanned.
[23:30] <ikonia> he's in #ubuntu-irc now, I'm just trying to guide him out
[23:46] <Seeker`> entraide-net: how can we help you?
[23:46] <entraide-net> yep 1 min please
[23:48] <entraide-net> can you give me an idea how to get easily the most used packages , tutorials , websites , tips and tricks for ubuntu ... I wanna make a big all-in-one tutorial for beginners to help them but I wanna include stuff for average and professionnals users ...
[23:48] <entraide-net> I think the forum could help but ...
[23:49] <entraide-net> It's not every ubuntu users that goes there ...
[23:49] <Seeker`> isn't that what http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:51] <entraide-net> It's good but an easy tutorial as a backup tip as I personnaly use many websites when I reinstall ... I would make it simple in a all in one tutorial
[23:51] <Seeker`> you'll just have to search the net I guess
[23:52] <Seeker`> this channel isn't really for this sort of discussion, its for channel operator questions
[23:53] <entraide-net> sorry I was thinking if you give me a little idea the best would be the forum I guess
[23:53] <entraide-net> bye
[23:53]  * genii slurps a coffee
[23:53] <Seeker`> o/
[23:54] <genii> Hi Seeker`