[00:00] talking about testing [00:00] what kind of tests can be conducted in which ways? [00:01] isn't it mostly "doing your normal work, and see that everything is still okay" testing [00:02] low quality that is [00:02] I am talking automated major QA tasks her [00:02] e [00:02] as one of the most important use case of our all fancy server [00:03] ahh, you switched to generic context here [00:04] JontheEchidna: btw, we need to agree on an LP tag for any 4.2.3 regressions arriving in LP so we can keep track of them? [00:04] kde4.2.3? [00:04] jup [00:04] ok, it's settled then [00:05] easy :) [00:06] apachelogger: do we have any tools for doing any automatic testing on anything but back-end stuff? [00:07] yay, new kdelibs is 4.2.3! [00:08] a|wen_: we don't [00:08] * Sput thought we were at 4.2.85 [00:08] that is why I need input on what kind of test we want to do and which order to implement them [00:08] but then again, my blood is edging a lot [00:08] Sput: let's not get too ahead of ourselves [00:08] obviusly we could do automated lintian runs, but that is not of much use most of the time ;-) [00:09] Riddell: :) [00:09] can't be too hard to compare the kde-l10n-xx input with the language-pack output [00:09] i think Riddell has a point there [00:10] Riddell: I am quite sure it is [00:10] we'd need to parse the pos [00:10] because what rosetta spits out is completely differently order and/or formatted than what we stuff in [00:12] Riddell: also it would spit out false positives, where we altered a string via a patch, so we would need an interface to mark those common false positives for ignoring [00:12] format is much the same, it's all .po files [00:12] and some scripting shouldn't be hard to order it the same [00:13] it doesn't have to be automatic, just something we could run manually would be fine [00:13] yeah [00:13] agreed [00:16] uhhh [00:16] Riddell: doesn't the lang-pack include the .pos as sorted within rosetta? [00:17] if so that adds an additional problem as we would have to glue them back together before being able to compare input and output [00:22] how do you mean sorted? [00:22] JontheEchidna: hows the new kde4libs working for you? [00:23] just finished upgrading [00:23] 4.2.3 :) [00:24] I'd say it's working fine [00:24] Riddell: nevermind, I am doing weird talk again [00:24] JontheEchidna: you're copying it? [00:24] * Riddell already copied it [00:25] ahh :) [00:25] yay! 4.2.3 ready [00:26] good to announce on kubuntu.org? [00:26] we can at least start preparing the announcement === JontheEchidna changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: You are beautiful! | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKarmicSpecs | Sync/Merges: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KarmicKDEMerges http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/multidistrotools/kubuntu-desktop.html [00:28] Riddell: do we have some version-magic in pkg-kde-tools checking that it is an ubuntu version and installing docs to kde instead of kde4? [00:30] a|wen_: no, we just always compile with kde but have symlink magic in kdelibs to ensure that debian packages which use kde4 in their install can be synced without breaking [00:31] that is the theory at least [00:31] well ... but what about .install files? [00:31] * JontheEchidna tests his konversation merge packages, brb [00:32] we compile to kde; and they pull from kde4 ... that is going to go horribly wrong [00:32] * apachelogger is too tired to think about that :P [00:32] oh, neato amarok-nightly-kdebase was uploaded [00:33] hmm, I guess this means that they work [00:34] * a|wen_ goes to bed while a new shiny 4.2.3 is getting downloaded and installed ... 'night all [00:35] * apachelogger throws a good night cookie at a|wen_ [00:35] ah, that's more like it [00:35] I guess the old one was still cached in memory [00:37] So Debian patched their konvi to put the package version in the about dialog [00:38] http://imagebin.ca/view/KcSogKE.html [00:41] apachelogger: once kdelibs gets compiled there will be a symlink from kde4 so docs can be installed to either [00:42] but [00:43] Riddell: if the .mk file set the docpath to kde make install will push them there and the .installs will not be able to find them if they list kde4 [00:52] oh good point [01:03] maybe changing the install path isn't such a good idea [01:04] we'll see I suppose [01:19] Riddell: we can always do some magic version checking [01:19] if contains "ubuntu" use kde, else kde4 [01:20] mm, could try that [01:34] anyone else have really big fonts in a default konqi? [01:34] the stupid font size is killing the docs [01:36] same with khc [01:37] grrrr, KHC and Konqi render pages differently...this is really starting to get annoying [01:37] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 [02:23] hum [02:23] marble_part.desktop was in kdeedu-data [02:24] I wonder if that's why marble_part users were all crashy without it... [02:28] also kdeedu is far from merged in bzr... [02:36] hi/2all [02:36] apachelogger: are you there? [02:37] hi JontheEchidna [02:38] * JontheEchidna wonders who the guest is [02:39] ah, john, its me groo [02:40] JontheEchidna: did you guys do an update to qt 4.5 this week? [02:40] for karmic, yea [02:40] no, for jaunty also.. an update to the 4.5 package [02:40] oh, yeah. It's in jaunty-proposed right now [02:40] fixes the corrupted fonts issue [02:40] well and it breaks the webkit javascript! [02:41] with one stroke you guys broke both rekonq and arora [02:41] seg faults all over the place [02:41] got an example where? It works fine here [02:42] open arora 6 or 6.1, go to mail.google.. crash.. same thing reknoq.. any page with javascript [02:42] checking my mail with arora, everything's fine [02:42] plus I didn't touch webkit in the update [02:43] im using default kubuntu and arora from repo... crashes.. before the qt update it didnt [02:43] could it be the fonts patch? [02:44] dunno [02:44] got a backtrace of any of the crashes? [02:45] also could you pastebin ~/.fonts.conf please? [02:45] arora doesnt have a degug [02:45] i dont have a fonts.conf [02:46] .fonts.conf i mean [02:46] all I need is the qtwebkit potion of the backtrace [02:46] or, the Qt portion rather [02:46] Do you know then what hinting method your fonts are using? [02:46] theres no backtrace, it just segfaults, dr konki doesnt pick it up [02:47] sure, just a sec [02:47] try starting it with gdb [02:47] it wouldn't, arora isn't a KDE app [02:47] yeah, use gdb [02:48] how do i heck the hinting method? [02:48] and how do i run arora or rekonq with gdb? [02:48] do you use gnome or kde? [02:48] and were fonts broken before the update? === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [02:49] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace has a nice gdb guide [02:49] i use kde [02:49] by fonts broken you mean? [02:50] too small or not at all? [02:50] you would know what I mean if you had seen them [02:50] then no [02:50] you probably aren't using the affected hinting method [02:50] probably [02:50] so I don't think the patch in related at all [02:50] well i can asure you the only change before the crashes was the qt one [02:51] what's the output of apt-cache policy arora? [02:52] 500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-backports/universe Packages [02:52] and universe [02:53] hmm [02:53] anyways, the backtrace may help [02:54] the -backports version hit a couple days ago according to the changelog [02:54] what's the output of apt-cache policy libqt4-webkit? [02:55] proposed and main [02:55] so you have 4.5.0-0ubuntu4.1 installed? [02:56] (just making sure there isn't a version mismatch going on here) [02:58] arora dont have debugging symbols [02:58] just segfaults [02:58] yes [02:59] just runned gdb using the wiki above.. no debugging symbols [02:59] could you paste the backtrace anyway? As long as libqt4-dbg is installed I should be able to see the Qt portion of it [03:01] ah, i dont have libqt4-dbg installed :D [03:02] installing [03:02] no one else reported this problem? [03:03] btw, if you have webkitpart it will creash it also [03:03] all qtwebkit based is broken [03:05] not as far as I can tell [03:06] btw if you have rekonq.. if i disable javasript support in the new 0.10 it wont crash which kinda confirms my suspition that the problem is the javascript support in qtwebkit [03:08] confirmed.. javascript disabled it works, as soon as i enable javascript it crashes [03:08] is bug #365134 what you have? [03:08] Launchpad bug 365134 in arora "arora crashed with SIGSEGV in NPP_SetWindow()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365134 [03:10] http://pastebin.com/m76276aa4 [03:11] type in "backtrace" and press enter [03:12] paste bin accepts files also? [03:13] i have the file but where can i upload it? [03:14] no, but you can use the pastebinit to paste files or http://filebin.ca [03:14] is this patch still exist in kubuntu? 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff [03:14] nope, not that bug report, it crashes when using any qtjavascript call [03:15] http://filebin.ca/bjqfp [03:15] freeflying: no [03:15] tsimpson: nice [03:16] seems debian still using it [03:16] ah, that bug [03:16] freeflying: wait, waht package re you looking t? [03:16] tsimpson: kdelibs [03:17] Guest63986: you are suffering from bug 334102, which was reported before the upgrade [03:17] Launchpad bug 334102 in qt4-x11 "calibre-parallel crashed with SIGSEGV in ctiVMThrowTrampoline()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/334102 [03:17] at least it's not a regression :) But on the other hand, it sucks to be you/qtwebkit on your machine :( [03:18] JontheEchidna: why just me? [03:18] and why it was working before? [03:18] it seems like 5 other people reported it [03:19] dunno why it only happened for you just now [03:19] freeflying: yeah, it's still there [03:20] tsimpson: this patch is quite dirty, recommend drop it [03:20] freeflying: file a bug (and in debian) [03:21] figured out the stupid khtml crap it seems...just place an image into a block display and rock on with your bad self [03:21] is there any qt4.5.1 in a ppa or something like that? [03:21] tsimpson: it can't be named as a bug :) [03:22] freeflying: why not? [03:22] Guest63986: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa [03:23] jon, is this qt 4.5.1 safe, i mean, no regression with kde 4.2.3? [03:23] tsimpson: this patch only focus on those user use latin language, this setting is very ugely for CJK users, especially he is using 9 size font [03:23] eek, ctiVMThrowTrampoline is assembly [03:23] freeflying: so it's a bug [03:23] Guest63986: I haven't tested it personally, but it should be fairly ok I think [03:23] tsimpson: its a mistake :) [03:24] freeflying: ugly fonts by default is a bug [03:24] Guest63986: I believe all known regressions are patched in his build [03:24] yeah, i use latin language [03:24] bug in this respect is any misfeature/packaging issue [03:26] ScottK: apparently Qt 4.5.1 fixes the load of corruption issues on Intel [03:26] I think all the major regressions have been worked out too, so would you be against a backport of Qt 4.5.1? [03:26] upgrading now.. [03:27] btw will 4.5.1 be backported to jaunty? [03:27] :D [03:27] under discussion, as you can see above ;-) [03:27] btw how about office 3.1? im using a ppa but it doesnt have kde support only gtk [03:28] we don't really do office here, that'd probably be best asked in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel [03:28] dont you guys do the kde support? [03:29] the openoffice dudes take care of that [03:29] or should [03:29] anyway the only major bug in kubuntu in jaunty is the one i bitched about over and over, plasma network isnt upt to the task yet, should have been disabled and used nm-applet instead [03:30] ah ok, gonna wait then, or maybe do my own package for kde support if they dont [03:30] we can't use nm-applet [03:30] the thing about nm-applet is that it brings in gtk, which we don't have room for :( [03:30] it only used a few gtk libs, and we could have used policyqt/kde [03:31] well fedora 11 brings kde 4.2.2 and it uses nm-applet, but i believe they left openoffice out, and included koffice 2.0 rc1 [03:31] ouch, koffice isn't an open office replacement by far [03:31] if we got rid of oo.o, we'd probably have half the CD free [03:31] true [03:32] if fedora was more popular, they'd get bitched at about not including OO.o by default [03:32] JontheEchidna: yeah i know im a koffice fan, but 2.0 is like kde 4.0.. a milestone not a replacement [03:32] oh yeah, it will definitely get better [03:32] and I really hope it does [03:33] I just feel that it's a bad idea to include it by default like fedora is doing [03:33] JontheEchidna: it will, those guys rock.. its already very usable, but like i said.. its a 2.0 release.. big port, bit rewrite, lots of new technology and concepts.. gonna shine in 2.2 probably [03:34] JontheEchidna: they probably traded space for quality [03:34] we did too, but with networkmanager I suppose [03:34] JontheEchidna: what do you use first? network or office?\ [03:34] we suck in different manners ;-) [03:34] what pisses you most? [03:35] neither personally [03:35] not being able to download anything, or a milestone office? [03:35] I have a DHCP wired connection and only ever use word processing [03:35] i just defend it was a bad call [03:36] for end users anyway.. i try to show kubuntu to everyone but with this one i had to bring a ubuntu cd and then install kubuntu-desktop [03:36] because i knew it would break [03:36] works out-of-the-box here [03:36] though I almost never ever use oo.o [03:37] tsimpson: it works with a few use cases.. like wpa, a few wpa2, or simple wep... but a lot of cases are broken which works with nm-applet [03:37] I could write a paragraph in kate by the time it loads up [03:37] tsimpson: same here, thats my point exactly.. network everyone uses... oo not so much [03:38] but we can't get rid of oo.o [03:38] koffice is just not good enough right now [03:38] < rock that way | kubuntu here | hard place that way > [03:38] well the harm is done... 9.10 will have 4.3 and the network applet should be better by then [03:40] now I have that scene from the simpsons move stuck in my head [03:40] *movie [03:41] ok qt 4.5.1 fixed the bug [03:41] no more segfaukts [03:41] hmm, score one more for qt 4.5.1 [03:41] spider pig? :D [03:41] lol [03:42] nah, the part where homer is on the wrecking ball [03:42] ahueauae :) [03:42] although im a family guy fan myself [03:44] I don't watch either on a regular basis [03:44] JontheEchidna: torrents are you friends [03:44] your [03:45] ahh, but we don't condone any illegal activities [03:47] tsimpson: i just said torrents are my friends.. where did you read illegal activities? [03:47] hehe [03:47] * JontheEchidna goes to bed [03:47] tsimpson: and i live in brasil. no stupid RIAA rules here [03:47] lies! you said torrents were JontheEchidna's friend [03:48] lol [03:49] tsimpson: thats why hes goind to bed;) buested [03:49] busted [03:49] never sleep with torrents, the're just lechers... [03:49] *they're [03:49] tsimpson: ahh but the few seeders... what a ride [03:53] well gotta go.. hope you guys backport qt 4.5.1 for the other poor souls with webkit deficiency problems [03:54] thanks for the help guys :) [03:58] freeflying: ping? [03:58] maco: ? [03:59] i'm having issues with kde/qt apps sometimes not taking keyboard input (not the whole apps either, sometimes it'll just be a compose window in kontact while the main window still recognizes the kbd) [04:00] it has been suggested that scim could be at fault since i have it running at all times [04:00] and Riddell & persia both suggested that you might have some ideas [04:00] maco: focus issue? [04:01] maybe? if i change windows over and over a bunch sometimes the window will start taking kbd input again. it'll be like i can see the cursor in the text box and that window is in focus as far as the wm is concerned, but when i type, nothing happens [04:02] maco: sometime it can't remmeber the foucs, I suppose [04:02] focus status [04:02] it only happens on kde/qt apps. gwibber/pidgin/firefox/terminator are fine [04:04] maco: yes, would u mind try latest scim-bridge, have some fix on this, I will have it upload this weekend [04:04] ok sure. where can i find it? [04:04] maco: will be uploaded to debian sid [04:05] ok [04:06] is there also a tarball up on wherever scim upstream is? is that what you mean by latest? [04:07] maco: yes, scim-bridge-0.4.16 [04:08] ok thank you [04:10] maco: well, let me upload to ppa tonight, then you can have a try :) [04:10] oh, alright. thanks! [04:10] np [04:26] freeflying: ah, ikuyaNOTE just pointed me to https://launchpad.net/~japanese-testers/+archive/ppa which has 0.4.16 [04:27] maco: cool [06:06] Quintasan1: ping [06:34] JontheEchidna: +1 for trying to get Qt 4.5.1 in -backports ... what about putting it in our all-new-fancy backports-ppa for some exposure/testing to convince people it is good? [06:52] eagles0513875: pong [06:52] Quintasan1: think the new snap shot of kvirc is ready to go i havent had any issues with it and the thing that was missing in the version taht comes in jaunty repos the themes works [06:53] so I need to poke Riddel [06:53] also report a bug [06:53] bug about what [06:53] for adding new kvirc to updates [06:54] first of all it needs testing [06:54] I don't rembember the whole process but tsimpson said we need to fill a bug report for putting it into updates [06:55] I will disscuss things when I'm back from school, ok? [06:55] for -updates you'll need an SRU [06:55] you going to be around later [06:55] !sru [06:55] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [06:55] tsimpson: thanks :) [06:56] ok thanks tsimpson will have to work on that later [06:56] Riddell: the pkg-kde-tools changing doc-path build-time from kde4 to kde is going to bite us ... if I didn't if I didn't merge kile, but it was done as a sync, we would have had a ftbfs [06:56] JontheEchidna: I'd say lets' put 4.5.1 in kubuntu-experimental on Jaunty and give people a chance to try it out. [06:56] ScottK: +1 on that [06:57] eagles0513875: looks like we need to request a backport rather than update, new version doesn't fix crictial bugs :P [06:58] you'd be better off asking to get it in kubuntu-experimental for now [06:58] quicker anyway [06:59] ooh, all the PPA buildd's are back too [06:59] ok, anyways I need to go to school today, so I'm off for few hours [07:02] same here [07:03] tsimpson: its already in there but i think whats out in jaunty repos is rather outdated [07:04] tsimpson: the PPA builders have been coming and going at will ... so don't be to sure about them [07:04] eagles0513875: of course it's outdated as we [07:04] 're after a release now [07:05] a|wen: I was told they were redirected to building jaunty stuff, not sure [07:05] ok Quintasan1 already put it in kubuntu-experimental trying to see if its possible to get push out as an update [07:06] tsimpson: okay ... yesterday they came back, and went away again, and now they are back again [07:24] http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu_help_center.png [07:24] ^^ new Kubuntu Help Center index page....now I need to work on KHC upstream and get that garbage on the right hand side all cleaned up === k4v is now known as m4v [07:25] nixternal: great work :) [07:26] just let me say, docbook + tables == nightmare [07:27] he, i imagine [07:27] and the KHC code == nightmare as well [07:27] I need to find my eyeball, as I think it fell out looking at the code [07:30] so you want complain the day everything changes to use qtwebkit ;) [07:34] yup [07:34] switching KHC to qtwebkit would be a nightmare [07:35] qtwebkit, or webkit at that, has no clue what a docbook file is [07:36] then you'd need to get rid of the docbook format as well :P [07:36] find a better documentation markup and we would [07:36] then you would have to convert about a thousand documents to whatever the new one is [07:39] sounds like getting someone to fix khc would be easier [07:41] hehe, that it would, and that is what I am working on for 4.4 [07:41] didn't have time for 4.3 to get it finished [07:42] strange problem: somebody in the ML has lost the cashew. How could this happen? (besides it being dragged to the lower right and covered by the panel, but that doesn't seem to be the case) [07:49] Mamarok: installing the "hide cashew" widget? [07:53] nixternal: while on the lookout convince someone into implementing a feature, so we can have documentation in a seperate package and in some way tell this to khc so it doesn't just show a 404 :) [08:20] a|wen: what widget would that be? from kde-looks.org? [08:21] Mamarok: there was one there, ya ... can't remember if it got packaged for jaunty === kurrele_away is now known as kurrele === dpm_ is now known as dpm [09:41] !src [09:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about src [09:41] !scr [09:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about scr [09:48] !spu [09:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about spu [09:54] !sru [09:54] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [10:22] eagles0513875: you do bot fishing quite a lot [10:23] Tm_T: trying to remember what tsimpson told me bout this am re sru need to talk to someone bout a package [10:23] eagles0513875: you should $do that in a query with the bot rather than in any channel [10:23] that can become a ban reason pretty easily [10:24] apologies [10:24] it has been noted and wont happen again [10:24] okies [10:25] can i ask either of you a question whats the best way to get an updated packaged considered to be released as an update [10:26] i was told file a bug report [10:29] well [10:29] read the wiki page :P [10:29] ok [10:29] it states what qualifies for SRU as well as what needs to be done to get a complete SRU [10:30] ok [10:50] new linux uploaded to unbreak the universe, guess we just have to wait until it's compiled [11:22] Riddell: if you read that out of context its really very funny... :D [11:28] how so? [11:29] Riddell: well its like linux will actually fix the whole unverse.... people, planets etc.... - all of mankinds issues are fixed by this new linux :D [11:30] they aren't? [11:30] :( [11:30] Nightrose: hahahaha [11:30] * jussi01 hugs Nightrose [11:30] ;-) [11:36] where are linux wifi drivers gathered from linuxwireless.org [11:36] there is a really annoying but that needs to be fixed for wireless there is software and then the hardware switch to turn the wifi card on and off and both are fighting to control it [11:57] has 4.2.3 made its way into the main repo? [12:12] eagles0513875: don't ask stupid questions and have a look at it yourself *sigh* === barteqx is now known as siekacz === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [13:25] eagles0513875: ping [13:25] Quintasan: :) [13:26] Quintasan: do you have any test cases for me to test the new snapshot of kvirc with as of right now i havent had any issues with it what so ever [13:26] eagles0513875: we have KVirc in kubuntu-experimental, right? [13:26] yes we do and im running it and runs like a charm [13:26] ok, good to know [13:26] we have to work on an sru proposal [13:27] I don't think we need this [13:27] backport will be better [13:27] hm [13:27] but it's svn, I dunno what would be better [13:28] Quintasan: the thing is in jaunty there is an older version of the snapshot [13:28] back from march [13:29] let me do some hunting and find what repo the original is in [13:31] eagles0513875: it's in universe [13:31] apt-cache policy [13:32] hmm project-neon, I like it :3 [13:32] meh, beta kdelibs fails to compile [13:32] I'm blaming linux [13:33] guess we really can't do anything until that gets fixed [13:35] can someone take a look at this bug someone just confirmed it in kde 4.2.3 [13:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/345776/ [13:35] Ubuntu bug 345776 in kdebase-runtime "package kdebase-runtime 4:4.2.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: conflicts with kdesudo (it tries to owerwrite file /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:35] I e-mailed mvo about that yesterday [13:36] he's the expert on tricky dpkg situations [13:38] ok [13:42] we really should give instructions on how to enable the experimental repo _and_ on how to get the gpg key... [13:42] that confuses a lot of users [13:54] eagles0513875: about giving support in #kubuntu: if you don't know the answer, just don't answer then and leave it to others... [13:55] Nepomuk is enabled by jaunty, right? [13:59] * Quintasan finds Nepomuk and Strigi annyoing === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [14:15] Mamarok: I'm getting quite fed up of the #kubuntu support rubbish being spouted by eagles, [14:15]