[00:00] <apachelogger> talking about testing
[00:00] <apachelogger> what kind of tests can be conducted in which ways?
[00:01] <a|wen_> isn't it mostly "doing your normal work, and see that everything is still okay" testing
[00:02] <apachelogger> low quality that is
[00:02] <apachelogger> I am talking automated major QA tasks her
[00:02] <apachelogger> e
[00:02] <apachelogger> as one of the most important use case of our all fancy server
[00:03] <a|wen_> ahh, you switched to generic context here
[00:04] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: btw, we need to agree on an LP tag for any 4.2.3 regressions arriving in LP so we can keep track of them?
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> kde4.2.3?
[00:04] <a|wen_> jup
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> ok, it's settled then
[00:05] <a|wen_> easy :)
[00:06] <a|wen_> apachelogger: do we have any tools for doing any automatic testing on anything but back-end stuff?
[00:07] <Riddell> yay, new kdelibs is 4.2.3!
[00:08] <apachelogger> a|wen_: we don't
[00:08]  * Sput thought we were at 4.2.85
[00:08] <apachelogger> that is why I need input on what kind of test we want to do and which order to implement them
[00:08] <Sput> but then again, my blood is edging a lot
[00:08] <Riddell> Sput: let's not get too ahead of ourselves
[00:08] <apachelogger> obviusly we could do automated lintian runs, but that is not of much use most of the time ;-)
[00:09] <Sput> Riddell: :)
[00:09] <Riddell> can't be too hard to compare the kde-l10n-xx input with the language-pack output
[00:09] <a|wen_> i think Riddell has a point there
[00:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am quite sure it is
[00:10] <apachelogger> we'd need to parse the pos
[00:10] <apachelogger> because what rosetta spits out is completely differently order and/or formatted than what we stuff in
[00:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: also it would spit out false positives, where we altered a string via a patch, so we would need an interface to mark those common false positives for ignoring
[00:12] <Riddell> format is much the same, it's all .po files
[00:12] <Riddell> and some scripting shouldn't be hard to order it the same
[00:13] <Riddell> it doesn't have to be automatic, just something we could run manually would be fine
[00:13] <apachelogger> yeah
[00:13] <apachelogger> agreed
[00:16] <apachelogger> uhhh
[00:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: doesn't the lang-pack include the .pos as sorted within rosetta?
[00:17] <apachelogger> if so that adds an additional problem as we would have to glue them back together before being able to compare input and output
[00:22] <Riddell> how do you mean sorted?
[00:22] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: hows the new kde4libs working for you?
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> just finished upgrading
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> 4.2.3 :)
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> I'd say it's working fine
[00:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: nevermind, I am doing weird talk again
[00:24] <a|wen_> JontheEchidna: you're copying it?
[00:24]  * Riddell already copied it
[00:25] <a|wen_> ahh :)
[00:25] <a|wen_> yay! 4.2.3 ready
[00:26] <Riddell> good to announce on kubuntu.org?
[00:26] <a|wen_> we can at least start preparing the announcement
[00:28] <a|wen_> Riddell: do we have some version-magic in pkg-kde-tools checking that it is an ubuntu version and installing docs to kde instead of kde4?
[00:30] <apachelogger> a|wen_: no, we just always compile with kde but have symlink magic in kdelibs to ensure that debian packages which use kde4 in their install can be synced without breaking
[00:31] <apachelogger> that is the theory at least
[00:31] <a|wen_> well ... but what about .install files?
[00:31]  * JontheEchidna tests his konversation merge packages, brb
[00:32] <a|wen_> we compile to kde; and they pull from kde4 ... that is going to go horribly wrong
[00:32]  * apachelogger is too tired to think about that :P
[00:32] <apachelogger> oh, neato amarok-nightly-kdebase was uploaded
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I guess this means that they work
[00:34]  * a|wen_ goes to bed while a new shiny 4.2.3 is getting downloaded and installed ... 'night all
[00:35]  * apachelogger throws a good night cookie at a|wen_
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> ah, that's more like it
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> I guess the old one was still cached in memory
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> So Debian patched their konvi to put the package version in the about dialog
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/KcSogKE.html
[00:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: once kdelibs gets compiled there will be a symlink from kde4 so docs can be installed to either
[00:42] <apachelogger> but
[00:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: if the .mk file set the docpath to kde make install will push them there and the .installs will not be able to find them if they list kde4
[00:52] <Riddell> oh good point
[01:03] <Riddell> maybe changing the install path isn't such a good idea
[01:04] <Riddell> we'll see I suppose
[01:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: we can always do some magic version checking
[01:19] <apachelogger> if contains "ubuntu" use kde, else kde4
[01:20] <Riddell> mm, could try that
[01:34] <nixternal> anyone else have really big fonts in a default konqi?
[01:34] <nixternal> the stupid font size is killing the docs
[01:36] <nixternal> same with khc
[01:37] <nixternal> grrrr, KHC and Konqi render pages differently...this is really starting to get annoying
[01:37] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> hum
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> marble_part.desktop was in kdeedu-data
[02:24] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if that's why marble_part users were all crashy without it...
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> also kdeedu is far from merged in bzr...
[02:36] <Guest63986> hi/2all
[02:36] <Guest63986> apachelogger: are you there?
[02:37] <Guest63986> hi JontheEchidna
[02:38]  * JontheEchidna wonders who the guest is
[02:39] <Guest63986> ah, john, its me groo
[02:40] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: did you guys do an update to qt 4.5 this week?
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> for karmic, yea
[02:40] <Guest63986> no, for jaunty also.. an update to the 4.5 package
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. It's in jaunty-proposed right now
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> fixes the corrupted fonts issue
[02:40] <Guest63986> well and it breaks the webkit javascript!
[02:41] <Guest63986> with one stroke you guys broke both rekonq and arora
[02:41] <Guest63986> seg faults all over the place
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> got an example where? It works fine here
[02:42] <Guest63986> open arora 6 or 6.1, go to mail.google.. crash.. same thing reknoq.. any page with javascript
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> checking my mail with arora, everything's fine
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> plus I didn't touch webkit in the update
[02:43] <Guest63986> im using default kubuntu and arora from repo... crashes.. before the qt update it didnt
[02:43] <Guest63986> could it be the fonts patch?
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> dunno
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> got a backtrace of any of the crashes?
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> also could you pastebin ~/.fonts.conf please?
[02:45] <Guest63986> arora doesnt have a degug
[02:45] <Guest63986> i dont have a fonts.conf
[02:46] <Guest63986> .fonts.conf i mean
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> all I need is the qtwebkit potion of the backtrace
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> or, the Qt portion rather
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> Do you know then what hinting method your fonts are using?
[02:46] <Guest63986> theres no backtrace, it just segfaults, dr konki doesnt pick it up
[02:47] <Guest63986> sure, just a sec
[02:47] <tsimpson> try starting it with gdb
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't, arora isn't a KDE app
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> yeah, use gdb
[02:48] <Guest63986> how do i heck the hinting method?
[02:48] <Guest63986> and how do i run arora or rekonq with gdb?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> do you use gnome or kde?
[02:48] <JontheEchidna> and were fonts broken before the update?
[02:49] <JontheEchidna> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Backtrace has a nice gdb guide
[02:49] <Guest63986> i use kde
[02:49] <Guest63986> by fonts broken you mean?
[02:50] <Guest63986> too small or not at all?
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> you would know what I mean if you had seen them
[02:50] <Guest63986> then no
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> you probably aren't using the affected hinting method
[02:50] <Guest63986> probably
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> so I don't think the patch in related at all
[02:50] <Guest63986> well i can asure you the only change before the crashes was the qt one
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> what's the output of apt-cache policy arora?
[02:52] <Guest63986>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-backports/universe Packages
[02:52] <Guest63986> and universe
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> anyways, the backtrace may help
[02:54] <tsimpson> the -backports version hit a couple days ago according to the changelog
[02:54] <JontheEchidna> what's the output of apt-cache policy libqt4-webkit?
[02:55] <Guest63986> proposed and main
[02:55] <JontheEchidna> so you have 4.5.0-0ubuntu4.1 installed?
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> (just making sure there isn't a version mismatch going on here)
[02:58] <Guest63986> arora dont have debugging symbols
[02:58] <Guest63986> just segfaults
[02:58] <Guest63986> yes
[02:59] <Guest63986> just runned gdb using the wiki above.. no debugging symbols
[02:59] <JontheEchidna> could you paste the backtrace anyway? As long as libqt4-dbg is installed I should be able to see the Qt portion of it
[03:01] <Guest63986> ah, i dont have libqt4-dbg installed :D
[03:02] <Guest63986> installing
[03:02] <Guest63986> no one else reported this problem?
[03:03] <Guest63986> btw, if you have webkitpart it will creash it also
[03:03] <Guest63986> all qtwebkit based is broken
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> not as far as I can tell
[03:06] <Guest63986> btw if you have rekonq.. if i disable javasript support in the new 0.10 it wont crash which kinda confirms my suspition that the problem is the javascript support in qtwebkit
[03:08] <Guest63986> confirmed.. javascript disabled it works, as soon as i enable javascript it crashes
[03:08] <tsimpson> is bug #365134 what you have?
[03:10] <Guest63986> http://pastebin.com/m76276aa4
[03:11] <tsimpson> type in "backtrace" and press enter
[03:12] <Guest63986> paste bin accepts files also?
[03:13] <Guest63986> i have the file but where can i upload it?
[03:14] <tsimpson> no, but you can use the pastebinit to paste files or http://filebin.ca
[03:14] <freeflying> is this patch still exist in kubuntu? 20_use_dejavu_as_default_font.diff
[03:14] <Guest63986> nope, not that bug report, it crashes when using any qtjavascript call
[03:15] <Guest63986> http://filebin.ca/bjqfp
[03:15] <tsimpson> freeflying: no
[03:15] <freeflying> tsimpson: nice
[03:16] <freeflying> seems debian still using it
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> ah, that bug
[03:16] <tsimpson> freeflying: wait, waht package re you looking t?
[03:16] <freeflying> tsimpson: kdelibs
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> Guest63986: you are suffering from bug 334102, which was reported before the upgrade
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> at least it's not a regression :) But on the other hand, it sucks to be you/qtwebkit on your machine :(
[03:18] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: why just me?
[03:18] <Guest63986> and why it was working before?
[03:18] <JontheEchidna> it seems like 5 other people reported it
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> dunno why it only happened for you just now
[03:19] <tsimpson> freeflying: yeah, it's still there
[03:20] <freeflying> tsimpson: this patch is quite dirty, recommend drop it
[03:20] <tsimpson> freeflying: file a bug (and in debian)
[03:21] <nixternal> figured out the stupid khtml crap it seems...just place an image into a block display and rock on with your bad self
[03:21] <Guest63986> is there any qt4.5.1 in a ppa or something like that?
[03:21] <freeflying> tsimpson: it can't be named as a bug :)
[03:22] <tsimpson> freeflying: why not?
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> Guest63986: https://edge.launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[03:23] <Guest63986> jon, is this qt 4.5.1 safe, i mean, no regression with kde 4.2.3?
[03:23] <freeflying> tsimpson: this patch only focus on those user use latin language, this setting is very ugely for CJK users, especially he is using 9 size font
[03:23] <tsimpson> eek, ctiVMThrowTrampoline is assembly
[03:23] <tsimpson> freeflying: so it's a bug
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> Guest63986: I haven't tested it personally, but it should be fairly ok I think
[03:23] <freeflying> tsimpson: its a mistake :)
[03:24] <tsimpson> freeflying: ugly fonts by default is a bug
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> Guest63986: I believe all known regressions are patched in his build
[03:24] <Guest63986> yeah, i use latin language
[03:24] <tsimpson> bug in this respect is any misfeature/packaging issue
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: apparently Qt 4.5.1 fixes the load of corruption issues on Intel
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> I think all the major regressions have been worked out too, so would you be against a backport of Qt 4.5.1?
[03:26] <Guest63986> upgrading now..
[03:27] <Guest63986> btw will 4.5.1 be backported to jaunty?
[03:27] <Guest63986> :D
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> under discussion, as you can see above ;-)
[03:27] <Guest63986> btw how about office 3.1? im using a ppa but it doesnt have kde support only gtk
[03:28] <JontheEchidna> we don't really do office here, that'd probably be best asked in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel
[03:28] <Guest63986> dont you guys do the kde support?
[03:29] <JontheEchidna> the openoffice dudes take care of that
[03:29] <tsimpson> or should
[03:29] <Guest63986> anyway the only major bug in kubuntu in jaunty is the one i bitched about over and over, plasma network isnt upt to the task yet, should have been disabled and used nm-applet instead
[03:30] <Guest63986> ah ok, gonna wait then, or maybe do my own package for kde support if they dont
[03:30] <tsimpson> we can't use nm-applet
[03:30] <JontheEchidna> the thing about nm-applet is that it brings in gtk, which we don't have room for :(
[03:30] <Guest63986> it only used a few gtk libs, and we could have used policyqt/kde
[03:31] <Guest63986> well fedora 11 brings kde 4.2.2 and it uses nm-applet, but i believe they left openoffice out, and included koffice 2.0 rc1
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> ouch, koffice isn't an open office replacement by far
[03:31] <tsimpson> if we got rid of oo.o, we'd probably have half the CD free
[03:31] <JontheEchidna> true
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> if fedora was more popular, they'd get bitched at about not including OO.o by default
[03:32] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: yeah i know im a koffice fan, but 2.0 is like kde 4.0.. a milestone not a replacement
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, it will definitely get better
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> and I really hope it does
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> I just feel that it's a bad idea to include it by default like fedora is doing
[03:33] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: it will, those guys rock.. its already very usable, but like i said.. its a 2.0 release.. big port, bit rewrite, lots of new technology and concepts.. gonna shine in 2.2 probably
[03:34] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: they probably traded space for quality
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> we did too, but with networkmanager I suppose
[03:34] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: what do you use first? network or office?\
[03:34] <JontheEchidna> we suck in different manners ;-)
[03:34] <Guest63986> what pisses you most?
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> neither personally
[03:35] <Guest63986> not being able to download anything, or a milestone office?
[03:35] <JontheEchidna> I have a DHCP wired connection and only ever use word processing
[03:35] <Guest63986> i just defend it was a bad call
[03:36] <Guest63986> for end users anyway.. i try to show kubuntu to everyone but with this one i had to bring a ubuntu cd and then install kubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <Guest63986> because i knew it would break
[03:36] <tsimpson> works out-of-the-box here
[03:36] <tsimpson> though I almost never ever use oo.o
[03:37] <Guest63986> tsimpson: it works with a few use cases.. like wpa, a few wpa2, or simple wep... but a lot of cases are broken which works with nm-applet
[03:37] <tsimpson> I could write a paragraph in kate by the time it loads up
[03:37] <Guest63986> tsimpson: same here, thats my point exactly.. network everyone uses... oo not so much
[03:38] <tsimpson> but we can't get rid of oo.o
[03:38] <tsimpson> koffice is just not good enough right now
[03:38] <tsimpson> < rock that way | kubuntu here | hard place that way >
[03:38] <Guest63986> well the harm is done... 9.10 will have 4.3 and the network applet should be better by then
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> now I have that scene from the simpsons move stuck in my head
[03:40] <JontheEchidna> *movie
[03:41] <Guest63986> ok qt 4.5.1 fixed the bug
[03:41] <Guest63986> no more segfaukts
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm, score one more for qt 4.5.1
[03:41] <Guest63986> spider pig? :D
[03:41] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:42] <JontheEchidna> nah, the part where homer is on the wrecking ball
[03:42] <Guest63986> ahueauae :)
[03:42] <Guest63986> although im a family guy fan myself
[03:44] <JontheEchidna> I don't watch either on a regular basis
[03:44] <Guest63986> JontheEchidna: torrents are you friends
[03:44] <Guest63986> your
[03:45] <tsimpson> ahh, but we don't condone any illegal activities
[03:47] <Guest63986> tsimpson: i just said torrents are my friends.. where did you read illegal activities?
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[03:47]  * JontheEchidna goes to bed
[03:47] <Guest63986> tsimpson: and i live in brasil. no stupid RIAA rules here
[03:47] <tsimpson> lies! you said torrents were JontheEchidna's friend
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> lol
[03:49] <Guest63986> tsimpson: thats why hes goind to bed;) buested
[03:49] <Guest63986> busted
[03:49] <tsimpson> never sleep with torrents, the're just lechers...
[03:49] <tsimpson> *they're
[03:49] <Guest63986> tsimpson: ahh but the few seeders... what a ride
[03:53] <Guest63986> well gotta go.. hope you guys backport qt 4.5.1 for the other poor souls with webkit deficiency problems
[03:54] <Guest63986> thanks for the help guys :)
[03:58] <maco> freeflying: ping?
[03:58] <freeflying> maco: ?
[03:59] <maco> i'm having issues with kde/qt apps sometimes not taking keyboard input (not the whole apps either, sometimes it'll just be a compose window in kontact while the main window still recognizes the kbd)
[04:00] <maco> it has been suggested that scim could be at fault since i have it running at all times
[04:00] <maco> and Riddell & persia both suggested that you might have some ideas
[04:00] <freeflying> maco: focus issue?
[04:01] <maco> maybe? if i change windows over and over a bunch sometimes the window will start taking kbd input again. it'll be like i can see the cursor in the text box and that window is in focus as far as the wm is concerned, but when i type, nothing happens
[04:02] <freeflying> maco: sometime it can't remmeber the foucs, I suppose
[04:02] <freeflying> focus status
[04:02] <maco> it only happens on kde/qt apps. gwibber/pidgin/firefox/terminator are fine
[04:04] <freeflying> maco: yes, would u mind try latest scim-bridge, have some fix on this, I will have it upload this weekend
[04:04] <maco> ok sure. where can i find it?
[04:04] <freeflying> maco: will be uploaded to debian sid
[04:05] <maco> ok
[04:06] <maco> is there also a tarball up on wherever scim upstream is? is that what you mean by latest?
[04:07] <freeflying> maco: yes, scim-bridge-0.4.16
[04:08] <maco> ok thank you
[04:10] <freeflying> maco: well, let me upload to ppa tonight, then you can have a try :)
[04:10] <maco> oh, alright. thanks!
[04:10] <freeflying> np
[04:26] <maco> freeflying: ah, ikuyaNOTE just pointed me to https://launchpad.net/~japanese-testers/+archive/ppa which has 0.4.16
[04:27] <freeflying> maco: cool
[06:06] <eagles0513875> Quintasan1: ping
[06:34] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: +1 for trying to get Qt 4.5.1 in -backports ... what about putting it in our all-new-fancy backports-ppa for some exposure/testing to convince people it is good?
[06:52] <Quintasan1> eagles0513875: pong
[06:52] <eagles0513875> Quintasan1: think the new snap shot of kvirc is ready to go i havent had any issues with it and the thing that was missing in the version taht comes in jaunty repos the themes works
[06:53] <Quintasan1> so I need to poke Riddel
[06:53] <Quintasan1> also report a bug
[06:53] <eagles0513875> bug about what
[06:53] <Quintasan1> for adding new kvirc to updates
[06:54] <Quintasan1> first of all it needs testing
[06:54] <Quintasan1> I don't rembember the whole process but tsimpson said we need to fill a bug report for putting it into updates
[06:55] <Quintasan1> I will disscuss things when I'm back from school, ok?
[06:55] <tsimpson> for -updates you'll need an SRU
[06:55] <eagles0513875> you going to be around later
[06:55] <tsimpson> !sru
[06:55] <Quintasan1> tsimpson: thanks :)
[06:56] <eagles0513875> ok thanks tsimpson will have to work on that later
[06:56] <a|wen> Riddell: the pkg-kde-tools changing doc-path build-time from kde4 to kde is going to bite us ... if I didn't if I didn't merge kile, but it was done as a sync, we would have had a ftbfs
[06:56] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'd say lets' put 4.5.1 in kubuntu-experimental on Jaunty and give people a chance to try it out.
[06:56] <a|wen> ScottK: +1 on that
[06:57] <Quintasan1> eagles0513875: looks like we need to request a backport rather than update, new version doesn't fix crictial bugs :P
[06:58] <tsimpson> you'd be better off asking to get it in kubuntu-experimental for now
[06:58] <tsimpson> quicker anyway
[06:59] <tsimpson> ooh, all the PPA buildd's are back too
[06:59] <Quintasan1> ok, anyways I need to go to school today, so I'm off for few hours
[07:02] <eagles0513875> same here
[07:03] <eagles0513875> tsimpson: its already in there but i think whats out in jaunty repos is rather outdated
[07:04] <a|wen> tsimpson: the PPA builders have been coming and going at will ... so don't be to sure about them
[07:04] <a|wen> eagles0513875: of course it's outdated as we
[07:04] <a|wen> 're after a release now
[07:05] <tsimpson> a|wen: I was told they were redirected to building jaunty stuff, not sure
[07:05] <eagles0513875> ok Quintasan1 already put it in kubuntu-experimental trying to see if its possible to get push out as an update
[07:06] <a|wen> tsimpson: okay ... yesterday they came back, and went away again, and now they are back again
[07:24] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu_help_center.png
[07:24] <nixternal> ^^ new Kubuntu Help Center index page....now I need to work on KHC upstream and get that garbage on the right hand side all cleaned up
[07:25] <a|wen> nixternal: great work :)
[07:26] <nixternal> just let me say, docbook + tables == nightmare
[07:27] <a|wen> he, i imagine
[07:27] <nixternal> and the KHC code == nightmare as well
[07:27] <nixternal> I need to find my eyeball, as I think it fell out looking at the code
[07:30] <a|wen> so you want complain the day everything changes to use qtwebkit ;)
[07:34] <nixternal> yup
[07:34] <nixternal> switching KHC to qtwebkit would be a nightmare
[07:35] <nixternal> qtwebkit, or webkit at that, has no clue what a docbook file is
[07:36] <a|wen> then you'd need to get rid of the docbook format as well :P
[07:36] <nixternal> find a better documentation markup and we would
[07:36] <nixternal> then you would have to convert about a thousand documents to whatever the new one is
[07:39] <a|wen> sounds like getting someone to fix khc would be easier
[07:41] <nixternal> hehe, that it would, and that is what I am working on for 4.4
[07:41] <nixternal> didn't have time for 4.3 to get it finished
[07:42] <Mamarok> strange problem: somebody in the ML has lost the cashew. How could this happen? (besides it being dragged to the lower right and covered by the panel, but that doesn't seem to be the case)
[07:49] <a|wen> Mamarok: installing the "hide cashew" widget?
[07:53] <a|wen> nixternal: while on the lookout convince someone into implementing a feature, so we can have documentation in a seperate package and in some way tell this to khc so it doesn't just show a 404  :)
[08:20] <Mamarok> a|wen: what widget would that be? from kde-looks.org?
[08:21] <a|wen> Mamarok: there was one there, ya ... can't remember if it got packaged for jaunty
[09:41] <eagles0513875> !src
[09:41] <eagles0513875> !scr
[09:48] <eagles0513875> !spu
[09:54] <eagles0513875> !sru
[10:22] <Tm_T> eagles0513875: you do bot fishing quite a lot
[10:23] <eagles0513875> Tm_T: trying to remember what tsimpson told me bout this am re sru  need to talk to someone bout a package
[10:23] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: you should $do that in a query with the bot rather than in any channel
[10:23] <apachelogger> that can become a ban reason pretty easily
[10:24] <eagles0513875> apologies
[10:24] <eagles0513875> it has been noted and wont happen again
[10:24] <apachelogger> okies
[10:25] <eagles0513875> can i ask either of you a question whats the best way to get an updated packaged considered to be released as an update
[10:26] <eagles0513875> i was told file a bug report
[10:29] <apachelogger> well
[10:29] <apachelogger> read the wiki page :P
[10:29] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:29] <apachelogger> it states what qualifies for SRU as well as what needs to be done to get a complete SRU
[10:30] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:50] <Riddell> new linux uploaded to unbreak the universe, guess we just have to wait until it's compiled
[11:22] <jussi01> Riddell: if you read that out of context its really very funny... :D
[11:28] <Riddell> how so?
[11:29] <jussi01> Riddell: well its like linux will actually fix the whole unverse.... people, planets etc.... - all of mankinds issues are fixed by this new linux :D
[11:30] <Nightrose> they aren't?
[11:30] <Nightrose> :(
[11:30] <jussi01> Nightrose: hahahaha
[11:30]  * jussi01 hugs Nightrose
[11:30] <Nightrose> ;-)
[11:36] <eagles0513875> where are linux wifi drivers gathered from linuxwireless.org
[11:36] <eagles0513875> there is a really annoying but that needs to be fixed for wireless there is software and then the hardware switch to turn the wifi card on and off and both are fighting to control it
[11:57] <eagles0513875> has 4.2.3 made its way into the main repo?
[12:12] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: don't ask stupid questions and have a look at it yourself *sigh*
[13:25] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: ping
[13:25] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: :)
[13:26] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: do you have any test cases for me to test the new snapshot of kvirc with as of right now i havent had any issues with it what so ever
[13:26] <Quintasan> eagles0513875: we have KVirc in kubuntu-experimental, right?
[13:26] <eagles0513875> yes we do and im running it and runs like a charm
[13:26] <Quintasan> ok, good to know
[13:26] <eagles0513875> we have to work on an sru proposal
[13:27] <Quintasan> I don't think we need this
[13:27] <Quintasan> backport will be better
[13:27] <Quintasan> hm
[13:27] <Quintasan> but it's svn, I dunno what would be better
[13:28] <eagles0513875> Quintasan: the thing is in jaunty there is an older version of the snapshot
[13:28] <eagles0513875> back from march
[13:29] <eagles0513875> let me do some hunting and find what repo the original is in
[13:31] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: it's in universe
[13:31] <Mamarok> apt-cache policy <packagename>
[13:32] <Quintasan> hmm project-neon, I like it :3
[13:32] <Riddell> meh, beta kdelibs fails to compile
[13:32] <Riddell> I'm blaming linux
[13:33] <Riddell> guess we really can't do anything until that gets fixed
[13:35] <eagles0513875> can someone take a look at this bug someone just confirmed it in kde 4.2.3
[13:35] <eagles0513875> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/345776/
[13:35] <Riddell> I e-mailed mvo about that yesterday
[13:36] <Riddell> he's the expert on tricky dpkg situations
[13:38] <eagles0513875> ok
[13:42] <Mamarok> we really should give instructions on how to enable the experimental repo _and_ on how to get the gpg key...
[13:42] <Mamarok> that confuses a lot of users
[13:54] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: about giving support in #kubuntu: if you don't know the answer, just don't answer then and leave it to others...
[13:55] <Quintasan> Nepomuk is enabled by jaunty, right?
[13:59]  * Quintasan finds Nepomuk and Strigi annyoing
[14:15] <ikonia> Mamarok: I'm getting quite fed up of the #kubuntu support rubbish being spouted by eagles,
[14:15] <ikonia> I'm going to speak to him about it as he's just told people nonsense in #kubuntu-offtopic too
[14:16] <Mamarok> ikonia: you can do now, he is online :)
[14:16] <ikonia> I know, but he doesn't look active
[14:17] <Mamarok> ikonia: ping him
[14:18] <ikonia> it's ok - he's responding
[15:02] <ikonia> Riddell: give me a ping when you get 2 minutes
[15:02] <ikonia> "pleaes" sorry, forgot my manners
[15:02] <ikonia> please even
[15:07] <Riddell> hi ikonia
[15:17] <ikonia> Riddell: is a pm ok ?
[15:20] <ikonia> Riddell: actually if you join #ubuntu-ops when you get two minutes that would be great
[16:39]  * Riddell uploads oxygen-icons from beta
[16:39]  * JontheEchidna goes to finish off the rest of the merges
[16:39] <Riddell> thanks JontheEchidna
[16:40] <Riddell> I don't have anywhere that'll install anything just now, this linux  mess is quite getting in the way
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah...
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> all the stuff that says it is merged should be pretty much merged
[16:47] <JontheEchidna> I'm unsure if system-config-printer-kde could be further merged with debian
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> huh, we could almost sync kdeplasma-addons, if it weren't for those meddling boost changes
[17:19] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I try to merge utils, but I'm not sure, it is my first time
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I can help you if you have questions
[17:19] <lex79> great
[17:23] <rgreening> anyone else have issues with quassel closing mysteriously?
[17:23]  * JontheEchidna uses konversation
[17:24] <lex79> no here
[17:24] <rgreening> weird
[17:25] <JontheEchidna> kdepim is going to be a gnarly merge
[17:27] <jussi01> rgreening: did it leave you a backtrace?
[17:27] <rgreening> nope. just up and walked out on me when I wasn't looking ... :P
[17:27] <jussi01> rgreening: I had it happen to me a while back...
[17:27]  * JontheEchidna rocks out and merges
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> aww, konvi's /media script doesn't work int he kde4 version yet :(
[17:28] <jussi01> rgreening: Im not sure about kubuntu's version, but git leaves a bt for you
[17:29] <jussi01> rgreening: ie. a file something like: Quassel-Crash-20090425-1623.log
[17:29] <jussi01> mine sit in .config/quassel-irc.org
[17:30] <rgreening> no crashes. just checked
[17:30] <jussi01> rgreening: curious :/
[17:30] <rgreening> yep
[17:30] <rgreening> heh. maybe I need to run from cmd line and see if it leaves anything there
[17:31] <jussi01> yeah, maybe
[18:01] <etretyak> wow, so lots of ideas on KubuntuKarmicSpecs.. do you guys think, kubuntu team has enough human resouces for all of this?
[18:19] <ScottK> As long as the team remains motivated, I think so.
[18:24] <seele> motivation..
[18:24]  * seele points to the cookies
[18:24] <etretyak> Ok.. i think this can make offtopic, but.. it's not enough to have only motivation. when there is lots of tasks some _process_ should be defined.
[18:25] <etretyak> especialy in such distributed developers community
[18:27] <ScottK> So far the process being talk about it on IRC seems to work adequately.
[18:27]  * ScottK is not a big fan of process overhead.
[18:27] <ScottK> Actually IRC and marking on the wiki pages what you're doing.
[18:28] <seele> etretyak: the number of people doing most of the work can be counted on two hands. theyve worked together for a while and communicate frequently and so it is actually a pretty small scale
[18:28]  * seele doesnt think the karmic spec list is all that long
[18:29] <seele> we had a lot for jaunty, and a lot of the specs were lists of specs
[18:29] <neversfelde> what is archive re.org?
[18:35] <lex79> JontheEchidna: /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML...... or  /usr/share/doc/kde4/HTML (debian sid).... ?
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> lex79: we install our docs to kde/
[18:35] <lex79> okie
[18:45] <ScottK> neversfelde: There's a wiki page on it, I don't recall the URL, but it's worth finding and reading.
[18:51] <maco> ScottK: i'm very confused
[18:52] <maco> noticed a quassel bug, found where it was reported upstream, grabbed the patch from git, and it wouldn't apply. looked through, and it appears that all but 3 lines of it were applied by you in your notification patches, and the 3 missing lines are unrelated to the bug i'm seeing
[19:01] <Sput> maco: the 0.4 branch is different from the git master branch
[19:01] <maco> but the bug i saw is a lack of escaping that causes notifications to be blank
[19:01] <maco> and it definitely exists in jaunty
[19:01] <maco> but the part of the patch that adds the escaping is in jaunty
[19:01] <Sput> oh
[19:02] <Sput> mmh, I think ScottK didn't use that patch though in his ppa build
[19:02] <Sput> I thought
[19:02] <Sput> :)
[19:02] <maco> im looking at the one we have in jaunty, not at his ppa
[19:02] <Sput> wasn't that fixed post-0.4.1?
[19:02]  * Sput can't remember right now
[19:03] <maco> i just went through the patch that was marked as fixing http://bugs.quassel-irc.org/issues/show/278 line by line
[19:03] <Sput> oh, jaunty isn't using dbus notifications
[19:03] <maco> so no dbus means this doesn't work?     if(_daemonSupportsMarkup)
[19:03] <maco>       message = Qt::escape(message);
[19:04] <Sput> it's code that's not used in jaunty
[19:04] <maco> oh :-/
[19:04] <maco> i wonder why it's built without dbus
[19:04] <Sput> because we use knotify if KDE is enabled
[19:05] <Sput> http://git.quassel-irc.org/?p=quassel.git;a=commit;h=d4a670812fa741525591281093ee7167db9fd267 is the fix you need
[19:05] <maco> thanks
[19:08] <hunger> Is kde 4.2.3 available yet? Repo from yesterday does not seem to work anymore.
[19:08] <maco> different bugs, same symptomes....always cofusing
[19:13] <Riddell> NCommander: could you boose the build priority of kde4libs
[19:19] <a|wen> hunger: the PPA mentioned in the news-flash on kubuntu.org should work
[19:20] <maco> just wondering, is karmic all broked right now?
[19:20] <maco> because my karmic pbuilder isn't looking very happy
[19:24] <nixternal> boooooyahkah!
[19:28]  * jussi01 takes a bite of nixternal....
[19:29] <nixternal> grrr, no biting!
[19:29] <jussi01> hehe... love bite? :D
[19:30] <jussi01> anyone feel like turtoring me on how to create a simple gui for a commandline program? ( a really quick tuition? - if thats possible...)
[19:31] <kwwii> lol, I just read "torturing"
[19:31] <nixternal> jussi01: qt?
[19:31] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[19:32] <nixternal> check out the qt tutorials thing from planetkde.org - theilin just did a gui tutorial, a quick one
[19:32] <jussi01> nixternal: yeah, qt
[19:32] <jussi01> kwwii: :D
[19:32]  * jussi01 goes to look at pålanet...
[19:33] <nixternal> you are having all kinds of typo issues today :p
[19:33] <nixternal> will someone come over and mow my lawn please?
[19:33] <jussi01> nixternal: if you pay my fare :D
[19:34] <nixternal> hehe
[19:35] <jussi01> ok, maybe I really need to learn basic of this  *G*
[19:36]  * jussi01 goes back to the start
[19:36] <nixternal> RAD + Qt == Good, but I just did a GTK app, and RAD + GTK == really? didn't I just create that in 5 minutes/
[19:38]  * jussi01 cries... I seem to have forgotten everthing I have ever been taught :/
[19:45] <e-jat> jussi01 :)
[20:03] <apachelogger> neversfelde: get 2nd advocate on bilbo
[20:03] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[20:03] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "One More Time (Feat. Romanthony)" by Daft Punk; see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[20:03] <apachelogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/sushi
[20:03] <apachelogger> woohooo
[20:03] <apachelogger> sushi! :D
[20:07] <lex79> JontheEchidna: in debian changelog: Rename superkaramba to plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> oh, debian renamed the package? We'd want to have that too
[20:09] <lex79> what should I do?
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> Do what Debian did
[20:10] <lex79> ok
[20:13] <apachelogger> make sure there is a transitional package though :P
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> So the concensus was that we'd rename webdev-kde4 to webdev, then create a webdev-kde3 package?
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> by renaming the current webdev -> webdev-kde3
[20:16] <apachelogger> and exactly that is why such stuff should be discussed on the list
[20:16] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you testdrive the refactored release script yet? :P
[20:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: tried to have an evening for myself with a good movie and wine :D
[20:18] <apachelogger> :P
[20:18]  * apachelogger gotta work tomorrow
[20:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: got a minute or two?
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sure
[20:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: please revu bilbo, kradioripper and plasma-widget-daisy :P
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> is karmic still busted?
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> I won't be able to testbuild if it is :(
[20:20] <apachelogger> works here
[20:20] <JontheEchidna> ok, great
[20:20] <apachelogger> then again maybe I broke my hooks and ain't up-to-date
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> do you think we should SRU bug 330116?
[20:21] <apachelogger> yes, I do
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> it's a simple fix in debian/rules
[20:22] <apachelogger> with great impact
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'll nominate it for jaunty
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I wasn't making a case against an SRU ;-)
[20:22] <JontheEchidna> I'm all for it
[20:22]  * apachelogger just finds it mostly usless ;-)
[20:22] <apachelogger> how would $user get connected if kppp aint no worky
[20:23] <apachelogger> so the only use case I see is that $user is able to download the updated kppp on some other machine
[20:23] <JontheEchidna> hmm, true dat
[20:23] <apachelogger> still worth it I suppose ... like when $user does upgrade he would get the fixed kppp and not end up in that situation
[20:24] <apachelogger> that being said, we need someone to QA kppp :P
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> we only got this fix because we merged with debian, lol
[20:38] <apachelogger> you know
[20:38] <apachelogger> we like need an artists
[20:38] <apachelogger> a couple of em would be even better
[20:38]  * apachelogger like looks at ruphy for input
[20:42] <ScottK> maco: Did you get your Quassel question figured out?  If it's in the 0.4 branch in git we'll get it shortly when they release 0.4.2 (not SRUable, but I'll get it into jaunty-backports).
[20:42] <maco> i dont know how to tell what branch its in
[20:42] <maco> git's confusing me
[20:43] <ScottK> Ask Sput is the best way.
[20:43] <ScottK> Sput: ?? ^^^
[20:43] <maco> he's the one that pointed to the patch :P
[20:43] <maco> i only found the dbus version of the patch
[20:43] <ScottK> Right, but is it in the 0.4 branch too?
[20:43] <maco> dunno
[20:43] <ScottK> Hopefully he'll tell us.
[20:43] <Sput> it is in the 0.4 branch
[20:44] <ScottK> Sput: Thanks.
[20:44] <ScottK> So we'll get the fix with 0.4.2.
[20:44] <maco> would the patch on its own be SRUable? i know whole versions cant go, but small bugfix?
[20:44] <ScottK> I don't think so, but have a look at the SRU criteria and tell me which one you think it fits?
[20:44] <neversfelde> Today is REVU day isn't it? Somebody has the time zo have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/bilbo  :)
[20:44] <neversfelde> Needs a second advocate
[20:45] <neversfelde> upstream does not like me anymore, because I send him searching for a licenses copy, I think I should send him some good news^^
[20:49] <maco> ScottK: this one: Bugs which do not fit under above categories, but (1) have an obviously safe patch and (2) affect an application rather than critical infrastructure packages (like X.org or the kernel).
[20:49] <ScottK> OK.  Sounds reasonable.
[20:49] <ScottK> Is the patch obviously safe?
[20:50] <maco> though then again it has "srus are for fixing *high impact* bugs above that" :-/
[20:50] <maco> yeah, its just a regex matching html characters and passing them to Qt::escape
[20:51] <neversfelde> here is the link to the archive re-org wiki page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ArchiveReorganisation. ScottK, thank you for that hint.
[20:52] <ScottK> maco: OK.  Make me a debdiff and I'll sponsor it.
[20:56] <maco> ScottK: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26478047/quassel_0.4.1-0ubuntu4.debdiff
[20:56] <maco> thanks :)
[20:57] <ScottK> maco: You forgot a quilt refresh or something as the .pc file is in your debdiff.
[20:57] <maco> oh
[20:57] <maco> sorry just had quilt explained 2 nights ago
[20:58] <ScottK> Also the revision should be ubuntu3.1 and the upload target should be jaunty-proposed.
[20:58] <ScottK> I'll fix this stuff.
[20:58] <ScottK> I totally understand being confused by quilt.  Git is the only thing worse IME.
[20:59] <Sput> we also take great care about putting only bugfixes in the 0.4 branch, as neatly separated, self-contained commits
[21:00] <apachelogger> you know
[21:00] <apachelogger> if lunchpad could import from git
[21:00] <ScottK> Yep, so far I've had great success with cherrypicking the Quassel git.
[21:00] <apachelogger> and if the quassel packaging branch was full source
[21:00] <apachelogger> we could cherrypick revisions from the import and merge them into the packaging branch ;-)
[21:00] <ScottK> diff and patch work fine for me.
[21:03] <maco> i cant figure out what i did wrong with quilt
[21:03]  * ScottK is not a quilt expert.
[21:04] <maco> "quilt applied" was unhappy about everything so i did "quilt pop -a" and then "quilt push -a" and then it was only unhappy about the one i was adding. says it cant find the file :-/
[21:04] <ScottK> Did you do quilt refresh at the end?
[21:04] <maco> but its not like it needs -p5, and the extra directory in front are there...
[21:04] <maco> quilt refresh says no patches applied
[21:12] <maco> im trying to rtfm and its not helping much :-/
[21:13] <ScottK> maco: Did you find http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html already?
[21:13] <ScottK> That's the best 'fm' I've found so far.
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> Kubuntu Karmic Kola's Kernel is Krazily Kinky
[21:16] <maco> ok im going with a reset button. removed the patch from series, cd'd to above debian/ and set QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches, then did quilt new on teh patch, then quilt add on the file it'll toch
[21:16] <maco> so far, no errors
[21:17] <maco> so now, i do quilt push -a?
[21:18]  * ScottK kicks apachelogger since he's a quilt fanboy.
[21:18] <maco> i tried it and it didnt error, so i think it's ok
[21:18] <maco> you can guess who was trying to each me about it at 1am a few days ago with both of us arguing over where the top of the stack should be (top of bottom line of the file?)
[21:20] <ScottK> maco: The moral of this story is check your debdiffs before you upload them to LP.
[21:20] <maco> yessir
[21:20] <maco> i dont think i wouldve understood the quilty stuff well enough to know what should/shouldn't be there anyway though
[21:21] <apachelogger> no
[21:21] <apachelogger> maco: set QUILT_PATCHES
[21:21] <maco> did
[21:21] <apachelogger> or alter your .quiltrc or just use ln -s debian/patches
[21:21] <apachelogger> quilt push -a
[21:21] <apachelogger> applies the patch stack
[21:22] <apachelogger> quilt new new_patch
[21:22] <apachelogger> adds new patch
[21:22] <apachelogger> quilt add file
[21:22] <maco> then push -a again?
[21:22] <maco> that's what i did...
[21:22] <apachelogger> adds file to the ones watched for the top-most patch, i.e. new_patch
[21:22] <maco> and then quilt refresh
[21:22] <maco> it tells me "nothing in patch" though :-/
[21:24] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you're on karmic now? ... then you are indeed brave :)
[21:24] <apachelogger> maco: then you did something wrong :P
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: nah
[21:24] <Sput> eat your own dogfood!
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> but things are building in my PPA again
[21:24] <apachelogger> maco: mind pasting the complete console output?
[21:24]  * apachelogger should have gone to bed 25 minutes ago ... omg
[21:24] <a|wen> well, i also got my pbuilder to do something sensible again
[21:25] <maco> im going with a bigger reset button
[21:25] <maco> "start over"
[21:26]  * apachelogger notes that maco could use quilt import anyway :P
[21:26] <maco> dt chen mentioned that when he was explaining
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> Also, if anyone is interested: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/ppa?field.name_filter=konversation
[21:26] <maco> he was upset that someone in #ubuntu-motu told me to just paste the filename onto the end of the series file
[21:27] <maco> :( ok starting over inthe order you said, i set QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[21:27] <maco> then i did quilt push -a
[21:27] <a|wen> well if quilt import could actually check that the patch applies before importing there would be a sense in using it
[21:27] <maco> it said no patches in series
[21:27] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/quilt-add-patch.ogv
[21:28] <maco> apachelogger: why does it say no patches in series?
[21:28] <maco> or is that not an error, just sounds like one?
[21:29] <apachelogger> well
[21:29] <apachelogger> depends :D
[21:29] <apachelogger> if there are patches in series than obviously something is wrong  ;D
[21:29] <maco> there are 2 in there
[21:29] <JontheEchidna> ok, now that I can revu properly....
[21:29] <apachelogger> hm
[21:30] <maco> should i pop -a then push -a?
[21:30] <apachelogger> no need to pop at the beginning
[21:30] <apachelogger> maco: just watch that video :P
[21:30] <apachelogger> maybe quilt_patches is set wrongly or maybe your .quiltrc is broken
[21:31] <maco> i dont have a quiltrc
[21:32] <maco> $ echo $QUILT_PATCHES
[21:32] <maco> debian/patches
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> revu is being slooow
[21:33] <apachelogger> maco: no clue then
[21:33] <apachelogger> really need to go to bed
[21:33] <maco> ok good night
[21:33] <apachelogger> nini
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> it's gonna take me 6 minutes to download a 4 MB tarball :(
[21:33] <maco> i should go back to homework anyway
[21:34] <ScottK> maco: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[21:34] <maco> does that mean you figured out what's wrong?
[21:34] <maco> cuz i'm still very confused
[21:35] <ScottK> maco: The bug needs a TEST CASE: for verifying it's fixed.
[21:35] <maco> ok lemme restart my client
[21:36] <ScottK> maco: No, it means I edited the .pc files out your diff and moved on.
[21:38]  * ScottK -> $WORK.
[21:38] <maco> highlight me and use a "<" in your string
[21:39]  * maco smacks spim
[21:39] <Sput> maco: <b>sure can do</b>
[21:39] <maco> ah wait lemme switch workspaces first