[00:00] BUGabundo, ah, dont worry [00:00] BUGabundo, i just wonder if anyone has had the time to do a bit of a study to see if the proprietary drivers are behind this black screen (of death) and hibernation problems? [00:01] jtholmes: AFAIK from nvidia nouveu driver [00:01] it fails to reconnect to X [00:01] BUGabundo, i asked a few to report to the bug if they were using any parts of linux-restricted-drivers [00:01] I can ssh to it and debug [00:02] BUGabundo, some say they can ssh at first but after a while that too goes away, this is so nasty [00:02] not my area of expertise [00:02] you need a Xswat team member [00:02] BUGabundo, not mine either i can only gather facts [00:03] BUGabundo, oh well, onward and upward, sometimes the reporters end up telling ubuntu devs what to fix to cure the problem :) [00:04] jtholmes: »» /j #ubuntu-x [00:04] BUGabundo: i think its the capital letters that make them think you are a bot [00:05] calc: or me over talking and provide links faster and for more stuff then the bot does [00:05] BUGabundo, ^^^^^ [00:06] drives them crazy, i questioned who BUGabundo was at first but then said, that cant be a bot!! === thiras_ is now known as thiras [00:18] what? BUGabundo is not a bot?? [00:19] hggdh: don't incentivate it :\ [00:20] ah, sorry, sir. But it was irresistible. OTH, I have been asked before if I was a machine when playing chess online [00:22] lol [00:22] that good ah? [00:22] lets play batalha naval some day [00:23] and I *really* wanted to respond "no, I am not, I am a rebooting" [00:24] BUGabundo, the worst is that I am *not* that good on chess. Left it about 35 years ago, and only got back now (i.e., some two years ago) [00:25] 35 y ago?? [00:25] :D [00:25] how old are you ? [00:25] * BUGabundo feels young again... [00:25] * BUGabundo and then it fades..... [00:25] 54 [00:26] this silence is precious ;) [00:26] sometimes i feel old around these high schoolers who are in IRC [00:27] pace_t_zulu: I felt old around them when I was in high school :/ [00:27] pace_t_zulu: and you are how old ? [00:27] hggdh: had no idea! would give you 30 something ehe === thiras_ is now known as Thiras [00:27] BUGabundo: 26 [00:28] BUGabundo: how old are you? [00:28] pace_t_zulu: so you are the kid here ehehe [00:28] heh. I wish, I wish. My older son is 30 ;-) [00:28] hggdh: does he like FOSS? eheh [00:28] Ubuntu knows nothing of the age of its users, contributors, and developers [00:28] no, but likes games. He is an accountant... [00:29] pace_t_zulu, and this is good. [00:29] hggdh: we all have something to contribute [00:30] right. This is, perhaps, the best part of it all. [00:30] pace_t_zulu: shure! all my/our questions are for personal curiosity [00:30] not OS development [00:31] BUGabundo: you still haven't shared your age [00:31] BUGabundo: are you now BUGabundo1? what is going on? [00:31] I would say < 30 [00:31] 28 [00:31] it's his alter ego [00:31] brb [00:31] pace_t_zulu: wrong NM button, 3G restarted [00:31] pace_t_zulu: wrong NM button, 3G restarted [00:32] you aren't cloaked [00:32] neither is hggdh [00:32] hggdh: Is FiOS as awesome as I dream it is? [00:34] hello? [00:34] did i scare you guys off? [00:34] nah, you just got disconnected.. [00:34] pace_t_zulu: nope [00:34] ;) [00:35] ? [00:35] did hggdh answer my question about FiOS? [00:35] nope [00:36] ok... so maybe i made hggdh nervous that i know he has FiOS... or maybe he is just AFK [00:37] so is this any good ? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581804 [00:37] Gnome bug 581804 in general "netspeed applet no longer allows to set font size" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [00:38] pace_t_zulu: any one on freenode knows [00:38] its on the IP connection [00:38] pace_t_zulu, no, I was busy elsewhere. But I do not know about being marvelous, since I cannot download faster than ~3.5Mbyes per second [00:38] BUGabundo1: do you know where i am connecting from? [00:39] pace_t_zulu: does it matter? :) [00:39] pace_t_zulu, no, because you masked it [00:39] kklimonda: no [00:39] hggdh: that was my point to BUGabundo1 [00:39] pace_t_zulu: let me guess - you are in my flat, hiding in my closet? :P [00:39] it is an option, but I never had the patience to follow the path (likewise with TOR) [00:39] kklimonda: i'm guessing you are in the UK [00:40] :-) [00:40] pace_t_zulu: nah [00:40] we leave traces everywhere we go... [00:40] pace_t_zulu: a bit OT, but its quite easy to ping back conections if you know what you are doing [00:40] pace_t_zulu: Poland [00:40] and since most ISPs now GPS tag DSLAMS even easier to track users [00:40] kklimonda: i see that now... and i recall you being frustrated w/ your english a couple days back [00:41] yeah, that was probably me :) [00:41] BUGabundo1: i'd like to know more about how to ping back [00:42] pace_t_zulu: can't ... sorry [00:43] BUGabundo1: do you know how to ping back? [00:43] I do [00:43] but don't use it [00:45] i am strickly "white hat" [00:45] there is also another point: we are under freenode, and the folks there get unhappy if you start to dig [00:45] (justly so, methinks) [00:46] I'm impressed - KK is under development for two weeks and it still works ;) [00:47] and I can even use X.. [00:47] kklimonda, it will come to pass ;-) [00:48] but I had two failures building packages here, right now (Evolution and coreutils) [00:48] pace_t_zulu: here is a line I love to use on IRC: "you never know who is on the other side" [00:48] (so I am waiting for the new version of linux-glibc-dev) ;-) [00:49] kklimonda: and I find it *even* faster then JJ [00:49] at least booting [00:50] BUGabundo1, I have to say I went thru the upgrade a bit worried [00:50] but disk IO is getting worse, _again_ [00:50] boot is fast, indeed [00:50] hggdh: why? [00:50] its just JJ + proposed [00:50] there were already 1,200 packages to upgrade [00:50] hmm? [00:50] weird [00:51] that many? [00:51] yes [00:51] I didnt get that many I think [00:51] but I'm still reading apt-listchanges backlog [00:51] from day 04 [00:51] I have a lot of packages here -- ~4500 [00:51] hggdh: nice [00:51] and a lot of -dev [00:52] I've decided to create pbuilder to build packages [00:52] gnome, KDE, and xfce [00:52] yes, good idea. I am still to look at sbuild [00:52] I only have few -dev packages required by various ubuntu/debian tools [00:53] And I try to keep my system clean [00:53] I have a list of packages that are installed during installation.. [00:53] and I do a diff from time to time to check if I can delete something [00:54] way to go. But, please keep in mind, this is all on my laptop. My servers are very clean [00:56] (and I just went though another apt-get autoclean, and recovered 1.4G) [00:56] sleep deprived, can't grep [00:56] $ dpkg -l | grep -c [00:56] what's wrong with this? [00:57] you want dpkg -l | wc -l [00:57] ahh wc [00:57] keep forgeting [00:57] :-) [00:57] 2588 [00:57] hggdh: you ? [00:57] hold on [00:58] dpkg -l |grep ll |wc -l [00:58] erm [00:58] dpkg -l |grep ii |wc -l [00:58] dpkg -l will display all packages you had installed [00:58] oops [00:58] $ dpkg -l |grep ii |wc -l [00:58] 1446 [00:58] $ dpkg -l | wc -l [00:58] 1873 [00:59] without the grep: 4477. With the grep: 4467 [01:00] again: gnome, a working KDE, and a working xfce. Plus a lot of dbgsym [01:01] dpkg -l |grep ii |wc -l [01:01] 2568 [01:01] 20 in diference? funny [01:02] I need a bigger / [01:02] 10GiBs is NOT enough to install as many dbgsym as I need to [01:02] hmm.. [01:02] you could create a separate partition for them [01:03] afair all dbgsym goes to /usr/lib/debug/ [01:03] BUGabundo1: the difference is smaller when you always use --purge to remove packages [01:03] and, by default, all is installed under / [01:03] (single partition) [01:04] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [01:04] /dev/sda1 9.3G 7.2G 1.7G 82% / [01:04] /dev/sda1 7.4G 4.3G 2.7G 62% / [01:04] ;) [01:05] Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on [01:05] /dev/sda5 282G 134G 148G 48% /home [01:07] wow [01:07] and I thought I had a large home, at 35G... [01:08] /dev/mapper/sys-root 5.0G 689M 4.0G 15% / [01:09] :) [01:14] heh [01:14] something crashed.. [01:14] kklimonda_: something? [01:15] how misterious of you [01:15] I *have* to go... past my curfew [01:15] BUGabundo1: I was deleting ~30GB of old files when everything froze.. [01:15] but wanna ask something... [01:15] kklimonda_: ahhh the old FS bug [01:15] ya, ext4 one.. [01:15] it may be.. [01:15] I was talking to pace_t_zulu, about pgp keys [01:16] I import his via CLI but it didn't get into my keyring [01:16] only bia seahorse it worked [01:16] weir [01:16] d [01:16] bug or feature? === kklimonda_ is now known as kklimonda [01:16] BUGabundo1: what key? [01:16] i'll try [01:17] pace_t_zulu: key from ubuntu key server [01:17] cli says it was imported [01:17] but doesn't/didn't show up [01:18] kklimonda: pace_t_zulu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/166407/ [01:19] i like this addkey script/alias.. [01:20] BUGabundo1: worked fine [01:20] enough of this pace_t_zulu crap on IRC... no hiding who you are if you're contributing to Ubuntu [01:20] BUGabundo1: you know that addkey adds key to apt keyring? [01:20] :D [01:21] kklimonda: duh [01:21] wrong comand [01:21] that's why it didn't work [01:21] ok bed time... guess tommorow it will be better [01:21] good night :) [01:22] late over in portugal, huh? [01:22] i suppose in poland too [01:22] don't remind me ;) [01:22] Fri May 8 01:22:30 WEST 2009 [01:22] not as late as some times.... like 4am... but late enough to be in trouble [01:22] Arsenal till I die?? [01:22] ehhe [01:22] bye everyone [01:22] bye [01:25] hggdh: I'm Arsenal till I die [01:25] hggdh: not an American thing [01:25] kklimonda and BUGabundo probably know what I mean [01:25] maybe [01:27] :) [01:27] hggdh: just Google "arsenal" [01:29] alright i'm changing locations [01:29] be back later [01:31] I know what Arsenal means ;-) [01:32] I just did not expect it from someone in the US (but, then, I am also a stranger in a stranger land... a ger... [01:41] oh no my buggy BUGabundo is gone, i cant stand it :) [02:02] heh, no vmware-tools for KK users ;) === TopBunny88 is now known as Cryptic_Donkey [03:47] hggdh, when a developer marks a bug invalid then the user says the steps the devl listed caused things to work can it be updated to fix released and effectivey closed [03:48] jtholmes, depends -- may have been fixed, or may be the user was doing something wrong [03:48] which bug? [03:49] bug 370275 [03:49] Launchpad bug 370275 in network-manager "Network utilities don't work" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370275 [03:50] user was doing something wrong and corrected his actions [03:51] jtholmes, the user messed up... so the bug is closed invalid [03:51] is to be close invalid [03:53] hggdh, ok, if a user downloads some update(s) and the problem they reported goes away and they request to close the bug, what state should it be moved to and by who [03:53] who being normal bug chasers or -control [03:53] fixed released, unknown [03:53] ok [03:53] there is a standard response for this [03:54] in the canned responses file? [03:54] yes [03:54] ok i know where that file is, will look it over thx [03:54] welcome [06:39] good morning [06:40] morning [06:41] hi micahg [06:42] I'm trying to clear out some old bugs in FF [07:06] good morning [07:10] what are criteria for marking bug as a master? [08:14] If anyone is up, is it a bug that a HP dv8000 laptop with AMD64, U8.10, can get wireless to work? === mkorn is now known as thekorn [09:19] no bugs today? or is everyone sleeping ? [09:33] BUGabundo: finally ubuntu is free of bugs ;) [09:39] simono_: LOL [09:39] guys need a bit of help [09:39] trying to place http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581804 on bug 373461 [09:39] Launchpad bug 373461 in netspeed "netspeed applet no longer allows to set font size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373461 [09:40] Gnome bug 581804 in general "netspeed applet no longer allows to set font size" [Minor,Unconfirmed] [09:40] but it doesnt allow me to choose the upstream proj [09:40] am i still a sleep, or is LP drunk? [09:43] BUGabundo: what's the name of the upstream project? can't find it [09:43] simono_: see my problem? [09:44] BUGabundo: I think it's not registered with launchpad [09:44] its supposed to be gnome or something [09:44] simono_: i'll have to leave for a whle [09:44] can u register it please? [09:45] bbl [09:57] BUGabundo: it seems that is isn't possible at the moment to link to an upstream bug, if the project itsn't registered (see bug 144072) [09:57] Launchpad bug 144072 in malone "No way to link to upstream bug if it's not registered as a project in LP" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144072 [10:09] hi [10:11] YoBoY: hi [10:11] simono_: thanks [10:15] humm is LP karma settings wrong again? [10:15] https://edge.launchpad.net/~mpt/+karma [10:15] Specification Tracking is giving way too much karma [10:16] BUGabundo: -> #launchpad [10:16] jpds: yeah i know [10:37] * cwillu pokes BUGabundo with a stick [10:40] cwillu: my love.... missed u ! why arent u on +1, you poker === dwg___ is now known as dwg [13:59] morning! === asac_ is now known as asac [14:43] Boo [14:44] bddebian: ooB === BjornT_ is now known as BjornT [14:44] :) [14:54] Can someone reproduce this bug? Add tomboy to the panel, rightclick it and open settings, click the open new notetemplate link to open an errormessage [14:58] askand: i can confirm [14:59] it's complaining about a key on gconf who end with a / [15:03] YoBoY: great, I file a report then, the developer will have it fixed in 0.14.2 [15:03] ok :) [15:04] YoBoY: please confirm bug 373723 :) [15:04] Launchpad bug 373723 in tomboy "Tomboy is complaining about about a key in gconf ending with a /" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373723 [15:05] do you have the link to the upstream bug/fix/... ? [15:06] YoBoY: yes http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581582 [15:06] Gnome bug 581582 in General "Empty tooltip" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:07] soo, you can make the link to the upstream :) and mark it fix released [15:08] its already fixed apparently by using a button instead of text [15:10] arg... it's a duplicate of this one bug 365472 i think [15:10] Launchpad bug 365472 in tomboy "An error occurred while loading or saving configuration information for tomboy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/365472 [15:11] indeedm should I mark that as a duplicate? [15:12] or vice versa? [15:12] the bugs are the same ^^ my fault i don't have verified (or your fault :p) [15:12] keep the old one [15:17] YoBoY: thanks [15:17] you're welcome === MTeck is now known as MTecknology [16:21] I have a Q about bug 156909 [16:21] Launchpad bug 156909 in firefox "/usr/share/menu/firefox file is missing in firefox package" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156909 [16:21] It's a problem for the FF2 package in Hardy, but FF3 is not affected, nor is FF1.5 in dapper [16:22] Can anyone look at this report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/368580 [16:22] Launchpad bug 368580 in app-install-data-ubuntu "aMule should be offered instead of aMule AdunanzA" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:25] micahg: then its in the right place - there are 2 packages in launchpad for firefox - firefox and firefox-3.0 [16:25] bdmurray: yes, but I"m wondering about if I can do anything for it [16:27] micahg: it doesn't sound too SRU worthy [16:27] so, I should leave it? [16:29] bdmurray: also, can I add this EOL text to the bugs responses wiki? [16:29] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/166980/ [16:30] micahg: I'd prefer not. In the event that a bug has a test case (steps to recreate the bug) we as triagers should be proactive in trying to recreate it first before losing valuable data by just closing the bug. [16:31] ok, how about conditionally? [16:31] Last night I closed a few with no information [16:31] Maybe if 5 were elaborated to include something like: [16:32] I've tried recreating this bug with $DISTRO and was unable to given the information you've provided. Please either a) upgrade and test or b) increase the verbosity of the steps to recreate it so we can try again. [16:32] Which one is 5? [16:32] I have 5 as bugs w/ou a package [16:32] line 5 [16:32] ah [16:32] of my EOL text [16:32] in your pastebin ;-) [16:33] so, you would just note to set to incomplete then, right? [16:33] Yes, that sounds ideal to me. [16:34] should it be a subsection in here than: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses [16:34] or it's own section? [16:35] a subsection of Bugs/Responses [16:35] yes, sorry, I meant if it should be a subsection of one of the current reposonses [16:36] like I did for Medibuntu under pacakges not provided [16:36] I think not a subsection, that page needs some help anyway [16:37] ok [16:37] Adobe Reader is available from the partner archive and that's preferred to Medibuntu [16:41] Is anyone supporting the partner archive? [16:42] micahg, well, yes, canonical & the partners [16:43] hggdh: I'm wondering where people go for support? [16:43] LP? [16:45] I'll fix the wiki, I just need to know what to fix it with [16:46] micahg, should be in LP, yes. But I am getting continuous LP errors (timeouts) [16:48] ok, I'll fix wiki [16:48] hggdh: partner repo bugs go in standard ubuntu project? [16:48] micahg, no, they should have entries for them. But I cannot check for it right now [16:49] jeki, what gives there? What would you like us to do? [16:49] any updates on troubleshooting x freezes on the bug "freeze" after April 3rd ? [16:49] hggdh: I meant their respective package under the ubuntu project [16:50] ogasawara: bdmurray: There are a lot of bugs that can be closed as "won't fix". gutsy-backports and feisty-backports. [16:50] bdmurray: can you check this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Distro%20has%20reached%20EOL [16:50] i am currently able to reproduce the freeze everytime i go to www.woodtv.com [16:50] The problem is that only ubuntu-backporters are able to mark them as "Won't fix". [16:50] micahg, this is one of the things I was trying to find out. Try searching LP for acroread, see what you find. [16:51] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acroread [16:51] i am thinking its a variant of the the April 3rd bug though. [16:51] ogasawara: bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gutsy-backports and https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports [16:52] primes2h: those are community projects [16:52] and that's the right url for partner acroread bugs [16:52] ok [16:52] hggdh, there is no bug? [16:53] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/368580 [16:53] Launchpad bug 368580 in app-install-data-ubuntu "aMule should be offered instead of aMule AdunanzA" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:53] hggdh: good morning [16:53] "Add/Remove Applications" show aMule AdunanzA instead of aMule [16:53] jeki, I do not follow you. Yes, there seems to be a bug. What would you like us to do? [16:54] hggdh, fix? [16:54] sorry I don't understand your question [16:54] pace_t_zulu, good morning. And -- you have already left yesterday -- I *know who the Arsenal are. [16:54] this channel is for ubuntu bugs, no? [16:54] hggdh: The Arsenal... with a capital 'T' [16:55] jeki, we deal with bug triaging here... for fixing bugs there are other channels. But I can set it to triaged. [16:57] hggdh: what qualifies to setting a bug as master? [16:57] I thought there was a doc, but I couldn't find it [16:57] pace_t_zulu, although I do not follow soccer (er, football) anymore, I beg to differ ;-) [16:57] hggdh, I was sent from ubuntu-dev, ubuntu-motu and ubuntu +1 to here [16:57] What is the proper channel? [16:57] jeki, ugh, that was ugly [16:58] O_o? [16:58] bdmurray: you mean they can't be closed? [16:59] primes2h: I mean I have no power in that particular project [16:59] hggdh, what is the proper channel? [16:59] jeki, we can set it triaged, and I did that. Notice that one of the subscribers is Michael Voigt, and he might be the one fixing it eventually. Nevertheless, you might also open a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org (since g-a-i is sourced there [17:00] hggdh, you read the bug? [17:00] jeki, and adding, then, and upstream bug tracker. [17:00] yes, I did. And? [17:00] I subscribed Michael Voigt [17:00] bdmurray: ok, so I'll try to ask jdong about them. [17:00] bdmurray: could you please verify that the text I added was ok [17:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Distro%20has%20reached%20EOL [17:01] oh boy. Jeki, it is not courteous to subscribe others without them asking for it [17:01] well, he was the last motu that upload the package [17:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu [17:03] jeki, notwithstanding this. mvo has other tasks to work on, I am certain, and if he decides he has time to work on this, he will. If he decides otherwise, somebody else will. But by subscribing him, you just create spam mail for him [17:16] hggdh: bug 355128 [17:16] Launchpad bug 355128 in usplash "usplash crashed with SIGSEGV in __svgalib_get_perm() (dup-of: 350250)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355128 [17:16] Launchpad bug 350250 in usplash "usplash crashed with SIGSEGV in __svgalib_get_perm()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/350250 [17:16] oops [17:16] bug 355218 [17:16] Launchpad bug 355218 in firefox-3.0 "can't connect to rapidshare.com" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/355218 [17:16] seems like a network problem, no? [17:17] micahg, it sounds more like user issue. There is nothing that I can see that suggests network issue [17:17] micahg, hold on, let me try to get there [17:17] I'm saying it's not a FF bug [17:18] I agree [17:18] Convert to Q and hope someone is patient enought to troubleshoot? [17:18] micahg, yes. This really smells like support [17:20]