| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: hi | 00:03 |
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| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: good evening | 00:03 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: I see we have a meeting schedule, shall I call? | 00:04 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: yes, I had forgot | 00:04 |
| === bryce_ is now known as bryce | ||
| didrocks | robert_ancell: don't steal my updates (for vte ;)) :p | 07:41 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: yeah, sorry about that! I did all the work and then I went to look at recent changes and you'd done it! | 07:42 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: Do you normally do vte? If so I'll take it off my list | 07:42 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: just kidding ^^ | 07:42 |
| pitti | Good morning | 07:42 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: did you merge with Debian? | 07:42 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: hey pitti | 07:42 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hum, well, there is no real attributed packages. I do what we split in IRC during a new GNOME release | 07:43 |
| didrocks | hey pitti | 07:43 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hum, not yet, it's on my list | 07:43 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I will do it for Monday, surely | 07:43 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: I did some merging before I'd seen you were working on it, can send you the diff if you want | 07:44 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: oh yes, please :) | 07:44 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: normally, I do the merges where I was the last uploader | 07:44 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: it's the normal merge process. If you want to take a merge in the last, the best practice is to contact the last uploader | 07:45 |
| didrocks | we really need to have something to "lock upgrades", telling "I'm working on it" | 07:45 |
| robert_ancell | wiki page should do the trick | 07:46 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: we used a wiki page, for some ages | 07:47 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: it's with more than suboptimal :) | 07:47 |
| robert_ancell | I guess the timezone means I can't check what people are working on. The only packages I need to check are stuff that you guys leave overnight | 07:48 |
| robert_ancell | I'm checking the Launchpad summary now to see before I start | 07:49 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I know. I think we will discuss about it at UDS | 07:49 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: yes, but here, the bug was closed | 07:49 |
| didrocks | just keep in mind this "rule" for merges | 07:49 |
| didrocks | for the other stuff, yes, checking LP is a good practice | 07:49 |
| didrocks | everybody has failed at least once, I think for parallel works :) | 07:50 |
| didrocks | and then… you checked LP ^^ | 07:50 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: are there packages you tend to favour? | 07:50 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: not really. I just take what needs to be updated :) | 07:51 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: that's what I like with ubuntu, you can see a lot of different packaging technics | 07:51 |
| robert_ancell | I'm currently focussing on: gcalctool, gnome-games, glade, glade-3, totem, vinagre, ekiga, gnome-terminal, metacity, compiz, avahi | 07:51 |
| didrocks | ok, from that list, I'm used to update : gnome-games, totem, vinagre and gnome-terminal | 07:52 |
| didrocks | but well, I think that a locking daemon will do the trick | 07:53 |
| robert_ancell | sure, let me know if I need to go hunt some more packages | 07:53 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: I think we will see that with the first update :) | 07:54 |
| didrocks | as I'm part of the community, I don't really have the time to check for bugs, appart when updating, though :/ | 07:54 |
| robert_ancell | see you all next week | 08:02 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: enjoy the weekend! | 08:02 |
| === mpt_ is now known as mpt | ||
| didrocks | pitti: if you have any free time today, please, give a look at bug #373582 | 09:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 373582 in vte "Please, merge vte 1:0.20.1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373582 | 09:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: won't have time for merges, but I can do some sponsoring | 09:12 |
| didrocks | pitti: the merge is done, it's just for sponsoring it :) | 09:12 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, nice | 09:12 |
| didrocks | (see related branch) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | no emergency on that, it's just if you have some time ;) | 09:12 |
| didrocks | Have a good day everybody! I'm going to seize my off day :) | 09:15 |
| pitti | didrocks: enjoy the long weekend! | 09:16 |
| pitti | didrocks: are those patches sent upstream, too? | 09:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: they don't have patch tag headers | 09:20 |
| pitti | didrocks: 93_add_alt_screen_scroll_toggle.patch has, but not 91_keep_fds.patch | 09:21 |
| didrocks | (back for few minutes) | 09:38 |
| === dpm_ is now known as dpm | ||
| didrocks | pitti: yes, they are sent upstream. I just added the upstream tag now (btw, is there a wiki page for patch tag guidelines?) | 09:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: and thanks for the long week-end. Have a nice week-end too :) | 09:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines | 09:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: meh, it doesn't build due to the kernel header breakage | 09:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: you tested this on karmic? | 09:50 |
| pitti | (with the earlier l-k-h?) | 09:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, on jaunty as pbuilder scripts seems to not be ready | 09:51 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 09:51 |
| pitti | but it works on jaunty? | 09:51 |
| didrocks | yes, it builds and run successfully | 09:51 |
| pitti | okay, thanks | 09:51 |
| didrocks | you're welcome :) | 09:51 |
| * pitti downgrades to previous linux-libc-dev | 09:51 | |
| pitti | didrocks: enjoy your weekend, and thanks! | 09:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: you too ;) | 09:52 |
| Laney | syncable f-spot is go | 10:40 |
| seb128 | Laney: cool | 11:05 |
| Laney | well, if half the archive weren't broken currently | 11:06 |
| seb128 | Laney: you have upload rights to debian now or did you get this one sponsored? | 11:06 |
| Laney | meebey sponsored it for me | 11:06 |
| Laney | I pretty much just copied the changes and wrote a new changelog entry | 11:08 |
| Laney | wb | 11:09 |
| seb128 | re | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I will sync it later when it's on the mirrors | 11:09 |
| Laney | ok, be warned that it does ftbfs due to the libc stuff | 11:09 |
| seb128 | I know about the libc issue | 11:10 |
| seb128 | I expect the buildd admin will auto-retry everything once it's fixed though | 11:11 |
| Laney | sure | 11:11 |
| Laney | yeah, cjwatson said as much on the bug | 11:11 |
| pitti | hey seb128, wb! | 11:11 |
| pitti | ~, sweet ~ | 11:11 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 11:11 | |
| seb128 | hello | 11:11 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 11:11 |
| pitti | pretty good | 11:12 |
| pitti | made it back in one piece? | 11:12 |
| seb128 | it seems so ;-) | 11:12 |
| seb128 | yeah, the travel was eventless, that's a short flight and small airports | 11:13 |
| === ember_ is now known as ember | ||
| seb128 | pitti: could you look at bug #372746? | 14:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 372746 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon vs OO.o fonts" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372746 | 14:17 |
| seb128 | it's a change which has been dropped in a sru and the update is in -updates now | 14:18 |
| seb128 | asac didn't push to bzr, I did copy the patch but forgot to bzr add and bzr-buildpackage ignored it | 14:18 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, good catch | 14:25 |
| pitti | seb128: please upload, I'll process ASAP | 14:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: it's already uploaded | 14:25 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| seb128 | vuntz: is there a way to lock menu editing in GNOME? | 14:40 |
| slomo | seb128: gst currently FTBFS in ubuntu because linux-libc-dev is broken btw | 14:47 |
| seb128 | slomo: right everything ftbfs I upload anyway that will be retried when the issue is resolved | 14:47 |
| slomo | ok :) | 14:47 |
| jbailey | seb128, Oy, seb! =) | 15:11 |
| jbailey | Wie Gehtz? | 15:11 |
| seb128 | hello jbailey! | 15:11 |
| seb128 | wrong language but gut, danke ;-) | 15:11 |
| jbailey | seb128, Keeping busy? =) | 15:11 |
| jbailey | You live *near* Germany. | 15:11 |
| seb128 | jbailey: as always ;-) | 15:11 |
| jbailey | Got a sec for an Ubuntu-related question? | 15:12 |
| seb128 | sure | 15:12 |
| pitti | hey jbailey, long time no see! how are you? | 15:12 |
| jbailey | The Chromium-Linux folks pinged me yesterday to ask me about sane ways of doing auto-update in Ubuntu. | 15:12 |
| jbailey | pitti, I'm doing well! I don't know if you followed any of the adventures over the last year, but it's nice to be back home and healthy. =) | 15:12 |
| pitti | jbailey: that's indeed why I asked; I followed your blog | 15:13 |
| seb128 | yeah, me too | 15:13 |
| pitti | must have been a hell of a ride | 15:13 |
| jbailey | seb128, apt is a reasonable solution, and the security update manager has it almost right. | 15:13 |
| jbailey | pitti, Yeah, I'm totally up and around. I'm able to lift 12kg (the weight of my son). | 15:13 |
| seb128 | jbailey: "auto-update" ... we don't do that ;-) | 15:13 |
| jbailey | I'm employed, I'm back in my home. It's all good. | 15:13 |
| seb128 | jbailey: we have maintainers and we do manual updates | 15:13 |
| jbailey | Well, I'm not thinking of the package. | 15:13 |
| pitti | jbailey: \o/ | 15:14 |
| jbailey | That we can handle with an apt repo and us uploading. | 15:14 |
| jbailey | The security updater apparently has an option to say "do these security updates automatically" | 15:14 |
| jbailey | which looks like it just run apt-get upgrade. | 15:14 |
| jbailey | But the option is hard to find. So we're wondering if we can send along a patch to make a check box to set that on the first screen where you say "yes, I want to do update" and type in your password. | 15:15 |
| seb128 | ah right, you want to do upgrades in the background in a transparent way | 15:15 |
| jbailey | Right. | 15:15 |
| jbailey | Browser security being what it is, and more and more things relying on it (Or hey, so we hope. *g*) | 15:15 |
| seb128 | better to talk to mvo when he's around (he should be around but he has internet issues right now) | 15:15 |
| jbailey | We really really want to make sure that a user is doing the right thing. | 15:15 |
| seb128 | he's the package manager guy ;-) | 15:15 |
| jbailey | Ah cool. I didn't see him online and haven't talked to him for a bit so wasn't sure if he was still around. | 15:16 |
| seb128 | he's still around, but disconnected 25 minutes ago | 15:16 |
| seb128 | and dholbach said he has dsl issues | 15:16 |
| seb128 | so let's wait for him to be back | 15:16 |
| jbailey | Cool. I can hang out for him. | 15:16 |
| jbailey | I'm not seeing star trek for another 3 hours. =) | 15:17 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:17 |
| jbailey | seb128, pitti: You guys are well? | 15:17 |
| jbailey | I was sad not to catch you guys in Mountain View last year. | 15:17 |
| jbailey | Our move got delayed by a month, so I couldn't make it back that quickly. | 15:17 |
| pitti | jbailey: I'm great, thanks! desktop team is still rocking | 15:17 |
| pitti | jbailey: Canonical underwent quite some changes since you left, we keep growing and restructuring | 15:18 |
| seb128 | would have been nice to see you again, maybe at one of the next UDSes ;-) | 15:18 |
| pitti | jbailey: enjoy Star Trek tonight then! | 15:18 |
| jbailey | pitti, Nice. I hear about them from jkakar sometimes and from the locals in the Montréal office. | 15:18 |
| pitti | I don't have high expectations for the movie, but of course I'm going to see it anyway :) | 15:18 |
| jbailey | seb128, Yup, I hope so. If you guys follow your tradition of east-coast/west-coast in the US, then I should be able to make the fall one. | 15:19 |
| jbailey | Or hey, talk them into having it in Montréal to celebrate the new office. | 15:19 |
| seb128 | that would be an idea indeed ;-) | 15:21 |
| seb128 | I've never been to any montréal canonical office yet | 15:22 |
| awe | +1 for Montreal! | 15:22 |
| awe | ;) | 15:22 |
| pitti | hey awe, good morning; how is it goign? | 15:25 |
| awe | pretty good. I'm about to head into the office to finish packing ( construction next week ) | 15:25 |
| pitti | awe: you'll be working from home next week then? | 15:26 |
| awe | yup | 15:26 |
| awe | and mostly from home during the karmic cycle. ;) | 15:26 |
| awe | anyways, i need to run before i get another parking ticket. i'll touch base when i get to the office | 15:27 |
| calc | pitti: followed up to your comments on bug 373460 | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 373460 in pentaho-reporting-flow-engine-openoffice.org "OOo 3.1.0 Build-Depends: move from universe to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373460 | 15:33 |
| * pitti crawls into a hole to catch up with performance reviews and allhands presentations | 15:33 | |
| pitti | calc: thanks, will read soon | 15:33 |
| calc | ok, ttyl | 15:33 |
| artir | where are the canonical's offices? montreal, london and? | 15:36 |
| calc | ... a few others :) | 15:38 |
| seb128 | bah, bzr-buildpackage download new tarballs twice | 16:00 |
| james_w | seb128: logs or it didn't happen! | 16:02 |
| seb128 | james_w: mkdir dir; cd dir; bzr get lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-games/ubuntu; cd ubuntu; bzr-buildpackage | 16:03 |
| seb128 | james_w: it starts doing a | 16:03 |
| seb128 | wget -nv -T10 -t3 -O ../tarballs/gnome-games_2.27.1.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-games/2.27/gnome-games-2.27.1.tar.gz | 16:03 |
| seb128 | ... | 16:03 |
| seb128 | get-orig-source did not create gnome-games_2.27.1.orig.tar.gz | 16:03 |
| seb128 | Using uscan to look for the upstream tarball. | 16:03 |
| seb128 | 16:03 | |
| seb128 | I'm wondering if that's because I've no "tarballs" directory | 16:03 |
| james_w | it's because the get-orig-source rule doesn't comply with policy | 16:04 |
| seb128 | but it finds the tarball | 16:04 |
| seb128 | download it | 16:04 |
| seb128 | and start again, that doesn't really make sense to me | 16:04 |
| james_w | bzr doesn't parse the makefile, interpret it, and work out where the tarball ends up | 16:05 |
| james_w | it relies on get-orig-source being policy compliant | 16:05 |
| seb128 | which means? | 16:06 |
| seb128 | I don't know what get-orig-source is and what it does | 16:06 |
| james_w | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules | 16:06 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:06 |
| seb128 | for the record that's a standard GNOME package using cdbs | 16:06 |
| james_w | get-orig-source (optional): This target fetches the most recent version of the original source package [...] and leaves it in the current directory | 16:07 |
| seb128 | that page is not really useful, I guessed it was a tarball download target ;-) | 16:07 |
| james_w | I really don't like the target | 16:07 |
| seb128 | ok, worded different | 16:07 |
| james_w | but some people rely on it, and not having it run at that point didn't work for pitti for instance | 16:08 |
| seb128 | what do I need to change in the package to make it work with bzr-buildpackage? | 16:08 |
| james_w | fix /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/gnome-get-source.mk by the look of it | 16:09 |
| james_w | or set DEB_TARBALL_DOWNLOAD_DIR = . | 16:09 |
| james_w | to override it | 16:09 |
| seb128 | ok, the issue is the tarball against current directory thing? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | you couldn't special case bzr-buildpackage to look in tarballs too? ;-) | 16:10 |
| james_w | not really | 16:10 |
| james_w | well, actually I might be able to | 16:10 |
| james_w | it's kind of stupid though | 16:11 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:12 |
| seb128 | I can argue with the debian guys for the tarballs directory | 16:12 |
| seb128 | but that's how their svn is layouted | 16:12 |
| james_w | yeah | 16:12 |
| james_w | it kind of makes sense, but it's also kind of silly | 16:12 |
| james_w | I can file a bug if you like | 16:12 |
| seb128 | please do | 16:13 |
| james_w | just checking it's not an Ubuntu change :-) | 16:13 |
| seb128 | james_w: no, we only change a recommends to suggests there | 16:14 |
| seb128 | otherwise gnome-pkg-tools is in sync | 16:14 |
| james_w | sent | 16:23 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:25 |
| seb128 | I guess I will use "DEB_TARBALL_DOWNLOAD_DIR = ." as a workaround for now | 16:25 |
| pitti | james_w: if it breaks anything, revert the change | 16:31 |
| pitti | james_w: it was really just a suggestion back then, and it's not a major inconvenience to call it manually | 16:32 |
| james_w | pitti: it still worked, it just caused an extra download | 16:32 |
| calc | if a users system is set to 96dpi under font section shouldn't xdpyinfo | grep resolution also show 96 dpi there? | 16:40 |
| pitti | calc: didn't we reintroduce the hardcoded 96 dpi default late in jaunty? | 16:41 |
| pitti | because the dynamic detection didn't work sufficiently yet? | 16:41 |
| calc | yea | 16:41 |
| calc | i have a case of a user running jaunty (final afaict) which it shows 96dpi in the font config area but doesn't in xdpyinfo | 16:42 |
| pitti | well, that would be because of that hardcoded default, no? | 16:42 |
| calc | i thought hardcoded default made the xserver think it is 96 dpi also? | 16:43 |
| pitti | no, just gnome | 16:43 |
| calc | hmm i thought prior to jaunty xdpyinfo reported 96 dpi as well | 16:43 |
| mclasen | calc: check xprop -root | grep dpi | 16:43 |
| mclasen | so many places to report different dpi values... | 16:43 |
| * calc grabs a intrepid disk to boot to see what it says | 16:45 | |
| calc | hmm yea it always worked that way | 16:58 |
| calc | in intrepid xorg didn't seem to even know to calculate DPI right even given the correct screen size | 16:58 |
| calc | it claimed my screen was 100dpi x 120dpi | 16:58 |
| calc | jaunty gets it right though at 125 dpi | 16:59 |
| dholbach | buenos dias :) | 17:34 |
| seb128 | guten tag dholbach | 17:34 |
| dholbach | :-) | 17:34 |
| * dholbach hugs y'all | 17:34 | |
| * seb128 hugs dholbach | 17:34 | |
| seb128 | nice to see you around ;-) | 17:34 |
| dholbach | how has the desktop contributor situation been lately? | 17:35 |
| dholbach | seb128: ^ | 17:37 |
| seb128 | oh pretty good | 17:38 |
| seb128 | there is some turn-over | 17:38 |
| seb128 | the french mafia seems to relax a bit after the jaunty rush ;-) | 17:38 |
| seb128 | (didrocks and huats) | 17:38 |
| seb128 | but we have new people rocking too ;-) | 17:38 |
| dholbach | awesome | 17:39 |
| seb128 | Ampelbein and chrisccoulson for example ;-) | 17:39 |
| dholbach | when is chrisccoulson going to apply for MOTU? | 17:39 |
| seb128 | dholbach: funny I was just typing a "is chrisccoulson a MOTU btw" | 17:40 |
| dholbach | Ampelbein, chrisccoulson: great to have you guys! | 17:40 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you should reapply apply ;-) | 17:40 |
| huats | hello guys ! | 17:40 |
| dholbach | hiya huats! | 17:40 |
| seb128 | Oh, a french slacker ;-) | 17:40 |
| huats | seb128: and dholbach it is a pleasure :) | 17:40 |
| seb128 | hey huats | 17:40 |
| huats | seb128: ;) | 17:40 |
| dholbach | how's France? | 17:40 |
| huats | dholbach: always NIC | 17:40 |
| huats | E | 17:40 |
| huats | :) | 17:40 |
| dholbach | great :) | 17:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: celebrating the end of the second war today ;-) | 17:41 |
| huats | how are you dholbach ? | 17:41 |
| dholbach | seb128: there's a few demonstrations and stuff going on over here too - I saw some posters | 17:41 |
| dholbach | huats: very good - ready for the WE :) | 17:41 |
| jbailey | dholbach, Protesting the end of the war? | 17:41 |
| huats | dholbach: yeah ! | 17:41 |
| seb128 | dholbach: here it's a national holiday | 17:41 |
| dholbach | jbailey: the folks who want to do demonstrations pick a random day with some historical importance and demonstrate whatever their favourite topic is | 17:42 |
| dholbach | jbailey: nice to see you around - how are you doing? | 17:43 |
| jbailey | dholbach, I have a friend who used to call those "rent-a-protester"s | 17:43 |
| jbailey | I'm doing well. Keeping busy with work, toddler, wife and settling in. =) | 17:44 |
| jbailey | You? | 17:44 |
| dholbach | I'm good - very very ready for WE though :) | 17:44 |
| jbailey | Heh | 17:46 |
| jbailey | Star trek time. Have to catch mvo later. | 17:48 |
| didrocks | dholbach: seb128 : check my merges and you will see if I really relax myself :) | 18:12 |
| dholbach | didrocks: not today, I'm going out for dinner in a sec :) | 18:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I've been polling on the list waiting on those gnome-python-* updates | 18:13 |
| seb128 | did I miss those? | 18:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks: if you are busy with other things let me know so I stop blocking on you for that | 18:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: I still have some merges to do, but I think that there is already 5-6 (mostly in universe), ready now :) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 18:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: no, my plan is to finish my pending merge for Monday | 18:14 |
| seb128 | alright | 18:14 |
| didrocks | seb128: so, be ready to have some sponsoring work then ^^ | 18:14 |
| seb128 | we really need a better way to track who is doing what ;-) | 18:14 |
| seb128 | I want those gnome-python-* early because of the re-split | 18:15 |
| seb128 | we will need to transition all the rdepends | 18:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok. It will be ready on Monday and we will achieve the re-split :) | 18:15 |
| didrocks | and +1 for tracking | 18:15 |
| didrocks | (pitti sponsored vte this morning, FYI) | 18:16 |
| seb128 | I've noticed | 18:18 |
| seb128 | I was really surprised because I though you claimed only the gnome-python-* | 18:18 |
| didrocks | no, I claimed gnome-python* and keepalived, tracker | 18:19 |
| didrocks | basically, those where I was the last uploaders | 18:19 |
| didrocks | vte was in the list too :) | 18:19 |
| didrocks | uploader* | 18:19 |
| didrocks | time to have my dinner. Have a good evening! | 18:20 |
| seb128 | didrocks: ok good, you too! | 18:23 |
| pitti | have a nice weekend everyone! | 19:26 |
| huats | pitti: you too! | 19:28 |
| groverblue | Looking at the Hardware Driver panel and "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver" is listed, but gray-ed out as "A different version of this driver is in use." dmesg lists "module loaded - fglrx 8.60.40 [Mar 14 2009] with 1 minors" Isn't that the same driver? running Ubuntu 9.04 | 19:50 |
| peterjk | hello | 21:22 |
| artir | hi | 21:23 |
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