[00:03] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: hi
[00:03] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3: good evening
[00:04] <rickspencer3> robert_ancell: I see we have a meeting schedule, shall I call?
[00:04] <robert_ancell> rickspencer3: yes, I had forgot
[07:41] <didrocks> robert_ancell: don't steal my updates (for vte ;)) :p
[07:42] <robert_ancell> didrocks: yeah, sorry about that!  I did all the work and then I went to look at recent changes and you'd done it!
[07:42] <robert_ancell> didrocks: Do you normally do vte? If so I'll take it off my list
[07:42] <didrocks> robert_ancell: just kidding ^^
[07:42] <pitti> Good morning
[07:42] <robert_ancell> didrocks: did you merge with Debian?
[07:42] <robert_ancell> pitti: hey pitti
[07:43] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hum, well, there is no real attributed packages. I do what we split in IRC during a new GNOME release
[07:43] <didrocks> hey pitti
[07:43] <didrocks> robert_ancell: hum, not yet, it's on my list
[07:43] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I will do it for Monday, surely
[07:44] <robert_ancell> didrocks: I did some merging before I'd seen you were working on it, can send you the diff if you want
[07:44] <didrocks> robert_ancell: oh yes, please :)
[07:44] <didrocks> robert_ancell: normally, I do the merges where I was the last uploader
[07:45] <didrocks> robert_ancell: it's the normal merge process. If you want to take a merge in the last, the best practice is to contact the last uploader
[07:45] <didrocks> we really need to have something to "lock upgrades", telling "I'm working on it"
[07:46] <robert_ancell> wiki page should do the trick
[07:47] <didrocks> robert_ancell: we used a wiki page, for some ages
[07:47] <didrocks> robert_ancell: it's with more than suboptimal :)
[07:48] <robert_ancell> I guess the timezone means I can't check what people are working on.  The only packages I need to check are stuff that you guys leave overnight
[07:49] <robert_ancell> I'm checking the Launchpad summary now to see before I start
[07:49] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I know. I think we will discuss about it at UDS
[07:49] <didrocks> robert_ancell: yes, but here, the bug was closed
[07:49] <didrocks> just keep in mind this "rule" for merges
[07:49] <didrocks> for the other stuff, yes, checking LP is a good practice
[07:50] <didrocks> everybody has failed at least once, I think for parallel works :)
[07:50] <didrocks> and then… you checked LP ^^
[07:50] <robert_ancell> didrocks: are there packages you tend to favour?
[07:51] <didrocks> robert_ancell: not really. I just take what needs to be updated :)
[07:51] <didrocks> robert_ancell: that's what I like with ubuntu, you can see a lot of different packaging technics
[07:51] <robert_ancell> I'm currently focussing on: gcalctool, gnome-games, glade, glade-3, totem, vinagre, ekiga, gnome-terminal, metacity, compiz, avahi
[07:52] <didrocks> ok, from that list, I'm used to update : gnome-games, totem, vinagre and gnome-terminal
[07:53] <didrocks> but well, I think that a locking daemon will do the trick
[07:53] <robert_ancell> sure, let me know if I need to go hunt some more packages
[07:54] <didrocks> robert_ancell: I think we will see that with the first update :)
[07:54] <didrocks> as I'm part of the community, I don't really have the time to check for bugs, appart when updating, though :/
[08:02] <robert_ancell> see you all next week
[08:02] <pitti> robert_ancell: enjoy the weekend!
[09:07] <didrocks> pitti: if you have any free time today, please, give a look at bug #373582
[09:12] <pitti> didrocks: won't have time for merges, but I can do some sponsoring
[09:12] <didrocks> pitti: the merge is done, it's just for sponsoring it :)
[09:12] <pitti> didrocks: ah, nice
[09:12] <didrocks> (see related branch)
[09:12] <didrocks> no emergency on that, it's just if you have some time ;)
[09:15] <didrocks> Have a good day everybody! I'm going to seize my off day :)
[09:16] <pitti> didrocks: enjoy the long weekend!
[09:20] <pitti> didrocks: are those patches sent upstream, too?
[09:20] <pitti> didrocks: they don't have patch tag headers
[09:21] <pitti> didrocks: 93_add_alt_screen_scroll_toggle.patch has, but not 91_keep_fds.patch
[09:38] <didrocks> (back for few minutes)
[09:50] <didrocks> pitti: yes, they are sent upstream. I just added the upstream tag now (btw, is there a wiki page for patch tag guidelines?)
[09:50] <didrocks> pitti: and thanks for the long week-end. Have a nice week-end too :)
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: yes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PatchTaggingGuidelines
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: meh, it doesn't build due to the kernel header breakage
[09:50] <pitti> didrocks: you tested this on karmic?
[09:51] <pitti> (with the earlier l-k-h?)
[09:51] <didrocks> pitti: no, on jaunty as pbuilder scripts seems to not be ready
[09:51] <pitti> ah, ok
[09:51] <pitti> but it works on jaunty?
[09:51] <didrocks> yes, it builds and run successfully
[09:51] <pitti> okay, thanks
[09:51] <didrocks> you're welcome :)
[09:51]  * pitti downgrades to previous linux-libc-dev
[09:51] <pitti> didrocks: enjoy your weekend, and thanks!
[09:52] <didrocks> pitti: you too ;)
[10:40] <Laney> syncable f-spot is go
[11:05] <seb128> Laney: cool
[11:06] <Laney> well, if half the archive weren't broken currently
[11:06] <seb128> Laney: you have upload rights to debian now or did you get this one sponsored?
[11:06] <Laney> meebey sponsored it for me
[11:08] <Laney> I pretty much just copied the changes and wrote a new changelog entry
[11:09] <Laney> wb
[11:09] <seb128> re
[11:09] <seb128> I will sync it later when it's on the mirrors
[11:09] <Laney> ok, be warned that it does ftbfs due to the libc stuff
[11:10] <seb128> I know about the libc issue
[11:11] <seb128> I expect the buildd admin will auto-retry everything once it's fixed though
[11:11] <Laney> sure
[11:11] <Laney> yeah, cjwatson said as much on the bug
[11:11] <pitti> hey seb128, wb!
[11:11] <pitti> ~, sweet ~
[11:11]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:11] <seb128> hello
[11:11] <seb128> how are you?
[11:12] <pitti> pretty good
[11:12] <pitti> made it back in one piece?
[11:12] <seb128> it seems so ;-)
[11:13] <seb128> yeah, the travel was eventless, that's a short flight and small airports
[14:17] <seb128> pitti: could you look at bug #372746?
[14:18] <seb128> it's a change which has been dropped in a sru and the update is in -updates now
[14:18] <seb128> asac didn't push to bzr, I did copy the patch but forgot to bzr add and bzr-buildpackage ignored it
[14:25] <pitti> seb128: ah, good catch
[14:25] <pitti> seb128: please upload, I'll process ASAP
[14:25] <seb128> pitti: it's already uploaded
[14:40] <seb128> vuntz: is there a way to lock menu editing in GNOME?
[14:47] <slomo> seb128: gst currently FTBFS in ubuntu because linux-libc-dev is broken btw
[14:47] <seb128> slomo: right everything ftbfs I upload anyway that will be retried when the issue is resolved
[14:47] <slomo> ok :)
[15:11] <jbailey> seb128, Oy, seb! =)
[15:11] <jbailey> Wie Gehtz?
[15:11] <seb128> hello jbailey!
[15:11] <seb128> wrong language but gut, danke ;-)
[15:11] <jbailey> seb128, Keeping busy? =)
[15:11] <jbailey> You live *near* Germany.
[15:11] <seb128> jbailey: as always ;-)
[15:12] <jbailey> Got a sec for an Ubuntu-related question?
[15:12] <seb128> sure
[15:12] <pitti> hey jbailey, long time no see! how are you?
[15:12] <jbailey> The Chromium-Linux folks pinged me yesterday to ask me about sane ways of doing auto-update in Ubuntu.
[15:12] <jbailey> pitti, I'm doing well!  I don't know if you followed any of the adventures over the last year, but it's nice to be back home and healthy. =)
[15:13] <pitti> jbailey: that's indeed why I asked; I followed your blog
[15:13] <seb128> yeah, me too
[15:13] <pitti> must have been a hell of a ride
[15:13] <jbailey> seb128, apt is a reasonable solution, and the security update manager has it almost right.
[15:13] <jbailey> pitti, Yeah, I'm totally up and around.  I'm able to lift 12kg (the weight of my son).
[15:13] <seb128> jbailey: "auto-update" ... we don't do that ;-)
[15:13] <jbailey> I'm employed, I'm back in my home.  It's all good.
[15:13] <seb128> jbailey: we have maintainers and we do manual updates
[15:13] <jbailey> Well, I'm not thinking of the package.
[15:14] <pitti> jbailey: \o/
[15:14] <jbailey> That we can handle with an apt repo and us uploading.
[15:14] <jbailey> The security updater apparently has an option to say "do these security updates automatically"
[15:14] <jbailey> which looks like it just run apt-get upgrade.
[15:15] <jbailey> But the option is hard to find.  So we're wondering if we can send along a patch to make a check box to set that on the first screen where you say "yes, I want to do update" and type in your password.
[15:15] <seb128> ah right, you want to do upgrades in the background in a transparent way
[15:15] <jbailey> Right.
[15:15] <jbailey> Browser security being what it is, and more and more things relying on it (Or hey, so we hope. *g*)
[15:15] <seb128> better to talk to mvo when he's around (he should be around but he has internet issues right now)
[15:15] <jbailey> We really really want to make sure that a user is doing the right thing.
[15:15] <seb128> he's the package manager guy ;-)
[15:16] <jbailey> Ah cool.  I didn't see him online and haven't talked to him for a bit so wasn't sure if he was still around.
[15:16] <seb128> he's still around, but disconnected 25 minutes ago
[15:16] <seb128> and dholbach said he has dsl issues
[15:16] <seb128> so let's wait for him to be back
[15:16] <jbailey> Cool.  I can hang out for him.
[15:17] <jbailey> I'm not seeing star trek for another 3 hours. =)
[15:17] <seb128> ;-)
[15:17] <jbailey> seb128, pitti: You guys are well?
[15:17] <jbailey> I was sad not to catch you guys in Mountain View last year.
[15:17] <jbailey> Our move got delayed by a month, so I couldn't make it back that quickly.
[15:17] <pitti> jbailey: I'm great, thanks! desktop team is still rocking
[15:18] <pitti> jbailey: Canonical underwent quite some changes since you left, we keep growing and restructuring
[15:18] <seb128> would have been nice to see you again, maybe at one of the next UDSes ;-)
[15:18] <pitti> jbailey: enjoy Star Trek tonight then!
[15:18] <jbailey> pitti, Nice.  I hear about them from jkakar sometimes and from the locals in the Montréal office.
[15:18] <pitti> I don't have high expectations for the movie, but of course I'm going to see it anyway :)
[15:19] <jbailey> seb128, Yup, I hope so.  If you guys follow your tradition of east-coast/west-coast in the US, then I should be able to make the fall one.
[15:19] <jbailey> Or hey, talk them into having it in Montréal to celebrate the new office.
[15:21] <seb128> that would be an idea indeed ;-)
[15:22] <seb128> I've never been to any montréal canonical office yet
[15:22] <awe> +1 for Montreal!
[15:22] <awe> ;)
[15:25] <pitti> hey awe, good morning; how is it goign?
[15:25] <awe> pretty good.  I'm about to head into the office to finish packing ( construction next week )
[15:26] <pitti> awe: you'll be working from home next week then?
[15:26] <awe> yup
[15:26] <awe> and mostly from home during the karmic cycle.  ;)
[15:27] <awe> anyways, i need to run before i get another parking ticket.  i'll touch base when i get to the office
[15:33] <calc> pitti: followed up to your comments on bug 373460
[15:33]  * pitti crawls into a hole to catch up with performance reviews and allhands presentations
[15:33] <pitti> calc: thanks, will read soon
[15:33] <calc> ok, ttyl
[15:36] <artir> where are the canonical's offices? montreal, london and?
[15:38] <calc> ... a few others :)
[16:00] <seb128> bah, bzr-buildpackage download new tarballs twice
[16:02] <james_w> seb128: logs or it didn't happen!
[16:03] <seb128> james_w: mkdir dir; cd dir; bzr get lp:~robert-ancell/gnome-games/ubuntu; cd ubuntu; bzr-buildpackage
[16:03] <seb128> james_w: it starts doing a
[16:03] <seb128> wget -nv -T10 -t3 -O ../tarballs/gnome-games_2.27.1.orig.tar.gz http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-games/2.27/gnome-games-2.27.1.tar.gz
[16:03] <seb128> ...
[16:03] <seb128> get-orig-source did not create gnome-games_2.27.1.orig.tar.gz
[16:03] <seb128> Using uscan to look for the upstream tarball.
[16:03] <seb128>  
[16:03] <seb128> I'm wondering if that's because I've no "tarballs" directory
[16:04] <james_w> it's because the get-orig-source rule doesn't comply with policy
[16:04] <seb128> but it finds the tarball
[16:04] <seb128> download it
[16:04] <seb128> and start again, that doesn't really make sense to me
[16:05] <james_w> bzr doesn't parse the makefile, interpret it, and work out where the tarball ends up
[16:05] <james_w> it relies on get-orig-source being policy compliant
[16:06] <seb128> which means?
[16:06] <seb128> I don't know what get-orig-source is and what it does
[16:06] <james_w> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[16:06] <seb128> thanks
[16:06] <seb128> for the record that's a standard GNOME package using cdbs
[16:07] <james_w> get-orig-source (optional): This target fetches the most recent version of the original source package [...] and leaves it in the current directory
[16:07] <seb128> that page is not really useful, I guessed it was a tarball download target ;-)
[16:07] <james_w> I really don't like the target
[16:07] <seb128> ok, worded different
[16:08] <james_w> but some people rely on it, and not having it run at that point didn't work for pitti for instance
[16:08] <seb128> what do I need to change in the package to make it work with bzr-buildpackage?
[16:09] <james_w> fix /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/gnome-get-source.mk by the look of it
[16:09] <james_w> or set DEB_TARBALL_DOWNLOAD_DIR = .
[16:09] <james_w> to override it
[16:09] <seb128> ok, the issue is the tarball against current directory thing?
[16:10] <seb128> you couldn't special case bzr-buildpackage to look in tarballs too? ;-)
[16:10] <james_w> not really
[16:10] <james_w> well, actually I might be able to
[16:11] <james_w> it's kind of stupid though
[16:12] <seb128> ok
[16:12] <seb128> I can argue with the debian guys for the tarballs directory
[16:12] <seb128> but that's how their svn is layouted
[16:12] <james_w> yeah
[16:12] <james_w> it kind of makes sense, but it's also kind of silly
[16:12] <james_w> I can file a bug if you like
[16:13] <seb128> please do
[16:13] <james_w> just checking it's not an Ubuntu change :-)
[16:14] <seb128> james_w: no, we only change a recommends to suggests there
[16:14] <seb128> otherwise gnome-pkg-tools is in sync
[16:23] <james_w> sent
[16:25] <seb128> thanks
[16:25] <seb128> I guess I will use "DEB_TARBALL_DOWNLOAD_DIR = ." as a workaround for now
[16:31] <pitti> james_w: if it breaks anything, revert the change
[16:32] <pitti> james_w: it was really just a suggestion back then, and it's not a major inconvenience to call it manually
[16:32] <james_w> pitti: it still worked, it just caused an extra download
[16:40] <calc> if a users system is set to 96dpi under font section shouldn't xdpyinfo | grep resolution also show 96 dpi there?
[16:41] <pitti> calc: didn't we reintroduce the hardcoded 96 dpi default late in jaunty?
[16:41] <pitti> because the dynamic detection didn't work sufficiently yet?
[16:41] <calc> yea
[16:42] <calc> i have a case of a user running jaunty (final afaict) which it shows 96dpi in the font config area but doesn't in xdpyinfo
[16:42] <pitti> well, that would be because of that hardcoded default, no?
[16:43] <calc> i thought hardcoded default made the xserver think it is 96 dpi also?
[16:43] <pitti> no, just gnome
[16:43] <calc> hmm i thought prior to jaunty xdpyinfo reported 96 dpi as well
[16:43] <mclasen> calc: check xprop -root | grep dpi
[16:43] <mclasen> so many places to report different dpi values...
[16:45]  * calc grabs a intrepid disk to boot to see what it says
[16:58] <calc> hmm yea it always worked that way
[16:58] <calc> in intrepid xorg didn't seem to even know to calculate DPI right even given the correct screen size
[16:58] <calc> it claimed my screen was 100dpi x 120dpi
[16:59] <calc> jaunty gets it right though at 125 dpi
[17:34] <dholbach> buenos dias :)
[17:34] <seb128> guten tag dholbach
[17:34] <dholbach> :-)
[17:34]  * dholbach hugs y'all
[17:34]  * seb128 hugs dholbach
[17:34] <seb128> nice to see you around ;-)
[17:35] <dholbach> how has the desktop contributor situation been lately?
[17:37] <dholbach> seb128: ^
[17:38] <seb128> oh pretty good
[17:38] <seb128> there is some turn-over
[17:38] <seb128> the french mafia seems to relax a bit after the jaunty rush ;-)
[17:38] <seb128> (didrocks and huats)
[17:38] <seb128> but we have new people rocking too ;-)
[17:39] <dholbach> awesome
[17:39] <seb128> Ampelbein and chrisccoulson for example ;-)
[17:39] <dholbach> when is chrisccoulson going to apply for MOTU?
[17:40] <seb128> dholbach: funny I was just typing a "is chrisccoulson a MOTU btw"
[17:40] <dholbach> Ampelbein, chrisccoulson: great to have you guys!
[17:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson: you should reapply apply ;-)
[17:40] <huats> hello guys !
[17:40] <dholbach> hiya huats!
[17:40] <seb128> Oh, a french slacker ;-)
[17:40] <huats> seb128: and dholbach it is a pleasure :)
[17:40] <seb128> hey huats
[17:40] <huats> seb128:  ;)
[17:40] <dholbach> how's France?
[17:40] <huats> dholbach: always NIC
[17:40] <huats> E
[17:40] <huats> :)
[17:41] <dholbach> great :)
[17:41] <seb128> dholbach: celebrating the end of the second war today ;-)
[17:41] <huats> how are you dholbach ?
[17:41] <dholbach> seb128: there's a few demonstrations and stuff going on over here too - I saw some posters
[17:41] <dholbach> huats: very good - ready for the WE :)
[17:41] <jbailey> dholbach, Protesting the end of the war?
[17:41] <huats> dholbach: yeah !
[17:41] <seb128> dholbach: here it's a national holiday
[17:42] <dholbach> jbailey: the folks who want to do demonstrations pick a random day with some historical importance and demonstrate whatever their favourite topic is
[17:43] <dholbach> jbailey: nice to see you around - how are you doing?
[17:43] <jbailey> dholbach, I have a friend who used to call those "rent-a-protester"s
[17:44] <jbailey> I'm doing well.  Keeping busy with work, toddler, wife and settling in. =)
[17:44] <jbailey> You?
[17:44] <dholbach> I'm good - very very ready for WE though :)
[17:46] <jbailey> Heh
[17:48] <jbailey> Star trek time.  Have to catch mvo later.
[18:12] <didrocks> dholbach: seb128 : check my merges and you will see if I really relax myself :)
[18:13] <dholbach> didrocks: not today, I'm going out for dinner in a sec :)
[18:13] <seb128> didrocks: I've been polling on the list waiting on those gnome-python-* updates
[18:13] <seb128> did I miss those?
[18:14] <seb128> didrocks: if you are busy with other things let me know so I stop blocking on you for that
[18:14] <didrocks> seb128: I still have some merges to do, but I think that there is already 5-6 (mostly in universe), ready now :)
[18:14] <seb128> ah ok
[18:14] <didrocks> seb128: no, my plan is to finish my pending merge for Monday
[18:14] <seb128> alright
[18:14] <didrocks> seb128: so, be ready to have some sponsoring work then ^^
[18:14] <seb128> we really need a better way to track who is doing what ;-)
[18:15] <seb128> I want those gnome-python-* early because of the re-split
[18:15] <seb128> we will need to transition all the rdepends
[18:15] <didrocks> seb128: ok. It will be ready on Monday and we will achieve the re-split :)
[18:15] <didrocks> and +1 for tracking
[18:16] <didrocks> (pitti sponsored vte this morning, FYI)
[18:18] <seb128> I've noticed
[18:18] <seb128> I was really surprised because I though you claimed only the gnome-python-*
[18:19] <didrocks> no, I claimed gnome-python* and keepalived, tracker
[18:19] <didrocks> basically, those where I was the last uploaders
[18:19] <didrocks> vte was in the list too :)
[18:19] <didrocks> uploader*
[18:20] <didrocks> time to have my dinner. Have a good evening!
[18:23] <seb128> didrocks: ok good, you too!
[19:26] <pitti> have a nice weekend everyone!
[19:28] <huats> pitti: you too!
[19:50] <groverblue> Looking at the Hardware Driver panel and "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver" is listed, but gray-ed out as "A different version of this driver is in use."  dmesg lists "module loaded - fglrx 8.60.40 [Mar 14 2009] with 1 minors"  Isn't that the same driver?  running Ubuntu 9.04
[21:22] <peterjk> hello
[21:23] <artir> hi