[00:05] gront [00:05] hai [00:09] konban-wa [00:10] oyasumi nasai [00:21] Interesting that there's no !ext4 yet [00:21] (someone just tried that in #u) [00:36] * Seeker` -> bed [01:36] OK, time to start removing bans, oldest first [01:48] tsimpson, jussi01, i'd like to move floodbot1 off my computer, can i move it to either ubottu.com or jussi01.com? [01:52] LjL: you should already have an account on ubottu.com, are there any packages it needs? [01:53] tsimpson: i need to run it to know. moment. [01:53] well we have php5, -cli, -common, -gd, -mcrypt and -mysql currently [01:53] probably needs -mcrypt [01:53] right, am really going to bed now [01:53] night night [01:54] \o 'night Seeker` [01:55] tsimpson: it just works. i should make a crontab entry for it, is that a problem? [01:57] should be fine [02:01] moved. now you won't have channel noise when i run out of hd. [02:02] :) [02:15] hello [02:17] i can't enter to #ubuntu-es because when i try enter the system says this "You were redirected here because a lot of spam comes from your ISP", How i can enter again? [02:18] please who can help me? [02:18] tuxito: try now [02:18] ok [02:19] it's ok thanks so much, good night [02:59] The topbunny person is extremely annoying [02:59] yep [03:36] * genii plunders some coffee [03:53] It's not Sept. 19 yet! [04:00] Flannel: ? Is that pirate day or so? [04:01] International Talk Like a Pirate Day, yeah. [04:01] Ah, OK. [04:02] Flannel: Jack_Sparrow exit is: "Why Work When You Can Plunder?" so I decided to "plunder" some coffee.... :) [04:04] Aye. [04:08] I'm trying to imagine us now all talking like pirates on that day and trying to police channels [04:08] Avast ye swab! Belay the profanity! etc [04:09] That kind of day could get interesting. [04:37] genii: awesome. [04:38] tonyyarusso: Talk Like a Pirate Day? [04:38] The notion of pirate IRC. [04:39] tonyyarusso: We'd drive the patrons nuts :) [04:39] /alias /ar /walktheplank [04:40] hmm. /walktheplank instead of /remove [04:40] I like [04:40] I guess could put something like "KeelHauled!" when they get +b [04:47] * nalioth keelhauls genii [04:47] OUCH! [04:49] * genii pulls the barnacles out of his back [04:55] I suggest to add https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes to !md5 [05:35] * genii continues pulling out barnacles [06:39] !md5 [06:39] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [06:40] genii: It's a decent idea on the surface, but I'm rather hesitant about that proposal. Here's why: [06:41] * genii sips [06:41] On the actual releases.u.c pages where the MD5SUMS files originate, there is also a GPG signature. That's not present on the link you gave, and it's a wiki. [06:41] Thus, someone could edit them to match a man-in-the-middled image, but yet people would still be checking a sum that matches, and having a false sense of security. [06:43] A page that linked directly to each of the original MD5SUM and MD5SUM.gpg files would be more useful/reliable than one that lists all of the sums directly, IMO. [06:43] Interesting. [06:43] A shorter way for them to find it off the factoid was my primary reasoning [06:44] I certainly agree with your *goal*, just not the available path. [06:44] You might consider running what I just said past Matthew East and seeing what he thinks of converting that wiki page to my proposed format or similar. [07:01] * genii sips and thinks about md5sums and such [07:03] hello [07:03] anyone there? [07:03] can we help you? [07:03] I cannot seem to connect to #ubuntu, keep getting redirected to #ubuntu-proxy-users [07:04] am supposed to get an invite, but cannot get one [07:04] even after waiting for several minutes [07:05] @tsimpson any solutions? [07:05] [ I am using Mibbit, by the way] [07:06] try parting and rejoining #ubuntu-proxy-users [07:07] i have to type "/join ubuntu" again when in the proxy users channel, right? [07:07] or is the new invite automated? [07:08] you should be told to by one of the bots [07:09] i did it anyway [07:09] still not working [07:12] snuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (GnosticAscension) [07:15] someone needs to -o floodbot3, it's broken [07:15] unless it's the same reason as last time [07:17] I can -o it in #u, but what's it been doing? [07:18] Madpilot: I think the list maybe full, it's only removing exempts not adding [07:18] will -o get one of the other bots in automagically? (I've lost track of how the floodbots work, can you tell?) [07:19] one _should_ +o itself afaik [07:20] can't an op in #ubuntu manually invite me? [07:20] leave and re-join -proxy, GnosticAscension [07:21] Madpilot: hmm, you may have to +o one [07:21] done. Floodbot1 is up & +o [07:22] wilco [07:22] Time for sleep, 2:20-ish AM. Gnite [07:24] nope, not working [07:29] GnosticAscension: you'll just have to either use a real IRC client or http://java.freenode.net/ [08:31] #ubuntu jerk pit today [08:42] ban list full again [08:48] Geez, doesn't anyone clear theirs? [08:49] I'm doing it now [08:49] * tonyyarusso is gonna go on a clearing spree - I'll try to be sane, but yell if you see anything wrong [08:49] removing all old dhcp ones [08:49] I'm on i [08:49] it [08:49] hence +o in # [08:49] u [08:51] * Madpilot considers joining the fun - but three of us might be a bit much [08:52] I'm getting some of the older exploit ones too. If they haven't been back recently it probably doesn't do much. [08:56] my only two bans are fde and phix, I think they can stay [08:57] yes please ! [08:57] I've cleaned out as much in #u as I'm comfortable with without stepping on peoples toes [09:04] I shouldn't have bans there [09:10] doubt I've got any, but can anything more than a few weeks old with my name attached [09:10] Madpilot: I cleared down the big two you had [09:11] Madpilot: they where old and dhcp addresses [09:11] cool [09:16] @login [09:16] The operation succeeded. [09:16] @btlogin [09:17] What is the ban limit anyway? 400? [09:18] $not_big_enough [09:18] It's plenty big enough - we just have lots of people who forget to prune. [09:18] Anyway, it's down to 236 now. Should be fine for a while. [09:18] mines clean afaik [09:19] show off [09:20] hehe [09:22] Just a quick eyeball suggests that there's an inordinate number belonging to ikonia, Pici, and LjL. :P [09:22] tonyyarusso: really ? [09:22] tonyyarusso: ooh that's odd, a lot of them didn't show up when I did a search on % for existing bans [09:22] ikonia: As measured by "scroll really fast through the bantracker list and see which names look like they're developing shadow pixels" [09:22] let me re-check [09:23] tonyyarusso: lots of marks too ;) [09:23] but yeah, it's worth running a check on yours. [09:23] re-running now [09:23] true. [09:23] A lot of the ones left are marked, so that's good. [09:26] tonyyarusso: only about 10 #ubuntu bans, the rest were other channels or MARK's [09:26] ah [09:26] tonyyarusso: cleared down a few more though, and the ones left are long term ones [09:26] hence why they are commented [09:26] phew [09:26] It'd be nice if you got warned if you removed a ban that had a mark. [09:27] So when we're mass-removing when it fills we can still get notified of those without manually looking. [09:27] be nice if you could filter MARK's from BT [09:27] eg: have a little check box for "do not search MARK's" [09:27] put your suggestions for the bt on LP... then you might have them done... :) [09:32] time for work o/ [10:19] tavernier is flooding #ubuntu with keyboard-banging [10:19] delt with [10:20] you act faster than i type. thanks [10:22] Tm_T: addressed already [10:23] ah, good, just passing by [10:23] wife and kid in flu here [10:23] Tm_T: understand... I have the flu and it sucks [10:28] * tonyyarusso has the unidentified something [10:31] yeah, i've got a general sniffle [10:31] of course, you get treated like a criminal for wanting something that actually has pseudoephedrine in it [10:32] junky [10:33] no, just congested to the point the pressure tries to push my eyes out of their sockets [10:33] i need a nap. my eyes feel like they're bleeding [10:48] elky, move to Canada, AFAIK pseudoephedrine-based stuff is still out on the shelves :) [11:05] `brandon`: hello, how can we help [11:06] <`brandon`> oh nevermind [11:06] <`brandon`> sorry. [11:06] n problem [11:06] @bansearch `brandon` [11:06] No matches found for `brandon`!n=no@pool-173-51-161-239.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net in any channel [11:06] cool [11:52] did I mention the flu sucks? [11:52] :/ [12:15] @time sydney [12:15] Current time in Australia/Sydney: May 08 2009, 21:15:42 [12:16] ubottu sometimes you are the best tool on the planet [12:16] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [12:38] In #ubuntu-server, Kamping_Kaiser said: ubottu, ext4 is a recently released filesystem, available in Ubuntu 9.04. Be careful to keep your power running though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/317781 [12:41] I'm working on an ext3 wiki page [12:41] ext4 even [12:51] yay [12:52] ? [12:53] oh, regarding an ext4 wiki page [12:53] not a busy channel so I can ramble here [12:53] ooh good [12:53] I'll have it finished by the weekend, trying to put a good mix of "hello welcome to ext4" as well as a few juicy bits of under the hood [13:09] pici so the switch should be -c ? or must one get the update-manager-core [13:09] re : salvatore_ in #ubuntu [13:09] who's he ? [13:11] oh [13:12] didnt know that update-manager -d would take one from intrepid to karmic [13:13] it "development" version [13:13] -d = development [13:13] (how I remember it) [13:13] right. but would it skip versions? [13:13] it's not [13:13] so the correct one would be -c ? [13:13] 9.10 is the development version [13:13] c = current [13:14] (again just how I remember it) [13:14] nice. my mistake and apologies to Pici for my blunder [13:15] another aussie being a pain [13:20] hi outboard [13:20] bye outboard [13:20] hi out [13:20] outboard: [13:21] what [13:21] outboard: you where forwarded here as ubuntu channels have a policy of no scripts being run on the irc clients, you refused to remove, and also your attitude on being asked to remove them wasn't great, so you where forwarded here to dicuss [13:22] it is a simple away mesage which comes installed in the xchat client distributred with ubuntu [13:22] yup, so please disable it [13:22] and as for disturbing the channel , you guys did more of that with telling me to remove it [13:23] get over yourselves [13:23] "please do so" is not telling - it's asking [13:23] it's polite [13:24] get over it [13:24] ok, I'm over it [13:25] xchat does not, AFAIK, use a visible /away msg by default... [13:25] no it does not [13:26] this is a fresh install of 9.04 , and i do not have time t be stuffing about installing scripts [13:26] this is what it came with [13:26] weird [13:26] i mark myself away and it tells the channels , [13:26] outboard, xchat or xchat-gnome? [13:26] mine is fresh as well, and does not have that. [13:26] I'm done talking about this now, your attitude does not help [13:26] is it really that big a deal [13:26] the bans not going to be removed [13:27] outboard, there's 1500+ users in #ubuntu [13:27] that's 1500 reasons to not want visible away msgs and other cruft... [13:27] fine from now on i will make sure i say good night to each of them personally rather then with a script [13:28] outboard: it's not a problem as you're not in the channel anymore [13:28] outboard: come back to this channel when you can discuss it without your atittude [13:29] how about you pull your head in , my attitude is no more out of line then yours is , an you are surposed to be an official [13:29] outboard: ok we are done, please leave the channel [13:29] go grow up [13:29] outboard: I won't discuss anything with you while your taking this approach [13:30] there is nothing to discuss , if you want to discuss this we will do it in 6 years when you are an adult [13:30] outboard, the rule is very, very simple: No visible away messages, no scripts. #ubuntu is far too busy for any other rules to make sense. [13:30] outboard: ok, please come back in 6 years [13:30] @mark #ubuntu-ops outboard agreed to ban for 6 years [13:30] The operation succeeded. [13:30] ... [13:30] I like it [13:31] outboard: if there is nothing else - please leave the channel [13:31] no i agreed to discuss this when you are an adult [13:31] outboard: The channel guidelines are clear on this matter. Please remove the script and we will remove the ban. [13:32] !guidelines [13:32] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [13:32] @mark #ubuntu-ops ikonia agreed he will not be an adult for 6 years [13:32] Pici: I've tried the polite approach and just get attitude back which is why I refuse to discuss this futher [13:35] not the worst of my errors though, used to just modify sources.list and go from there [13:36] outboard, if this isn't worth discussing for six years, we'll ask you to leave this channel now. [13:36] outboard: It doesnt look like we're making any progress here. When you decide to remove the script you can rejoin #ubuntu, until then you may part this channel. [13:36] odd that the !upgrade link has no reference to cli anymore [13:37] pft you brought me here you get me out of here [13:37] outboard: no problem, I'll remove the forward and change it to a ban [13:37] bazhang: It should say it on one of links from the upgradenotes page. [13:37] sudo do-release-upgrade [13:37] Pici, only for kubuntu that I can see [13:38] right , for servers [13:38] damn, haven't seen attitude like that for a while [13:38] sudo do-release-upgrade -m DESKTOP actually, for desktop systems. [13:38] need to install update-manager-core then ? [13:39] I believe so. [13:39] never actually upgraded *after* a release [13:40] glad you caught that or we would have to send salvatore_ to #ubuntu+1 [13:40] Actually a lot of people keep suggesting to use -d, probably the same people who upgraded to Jaunty pre-release. [13:42] yup [13:52] StuartClark!i=AllanDav@121-79-66-6-dial.ispone.net.au wonder if that is outboard [13:52] nothing ties in other than .au [13:52] dsl and dial up [13:52] 121-79 and the ispone.au [13:53] he's gone [13:53] I couldn't see him on line I mean [13:54] just curious as the stuartclark was mega-spamming #u some months back with insta-join and quit [13:55] ooh right [13:55] nah doubt it [13:55] dial up and dsl [13:55] different ident [13:55] etc [13:55] outboard is a registered nick [13:55] right, just the .au then [13:55] well, the isp is the same, but different accounts by the look of it [14:33] * genii crawls over to the coffeepot and makes some [14:34] LjL: bot master [14:35] ? [14:36] LjL: I need a bit of bot help [14:36] wondered if I could pick your brain at some point [14:36] if you can find it, feel free to pick it up [14:42] * ikonia searches the bins [14:46] ikonia: so, what's the matter [14:47] LjL: sorry one moment, just dealing with eagles [14:47] oh you're an ornithologist, nice [14:48] hawks tommorow [14:55] a netsplit is coming from grisham [14:56] not much of an advance warning, was it. [14:56] heh [14:58] ssh! topyli is back. [14:58] though the server is not [14:59] night all [15:00] night [15:00] goodnight bazhang [15:00] bazhang: Night [15:11] * Pici sighs [15:11] why why [15:18] Pici: whats up? [15:24] me, now. [15:24] ? [15:24] * mneptok just awoke [15:24] i wouldn't ask [15:24] LjL: I just realised the trap I walked into [15:24] well, it went well for you [15:26] ikonia: trouble with eagles? [15:26] Riddell: hey, thanks for joining [15:27] Riddell: not trouble, just wanted to bring you, jussi01 and a few of the others into line with the conversation I've just had, make sure you all know and agree [15:27] I've just had a frank dicussion with eagles over the "noise" and bad information and time wasting effort he gives out in the ubuntu channels in general [15:28] eg: saying he'll package the latest plasma package for testing - when he openly admits he has no idea about deb packaging - that sort of time wasting stuff [15:28] and the nonsnese advice he gives out in the support channels [15:28] ikonia: "eagles" as in "eagles0513875" I presume [15:29] I've personally had this conversation with him before and spent about 2 days with him in pm trying to mentor him to be able to actually input to a channel [15:29] genii: correct [15:29] this has obviously failed as I can see multiple people getting quite frustrated with him in multiple channels, #kubuntu/#kubuntu-devel as core examples [15:29] Riddell: he gave the excuse that he had too much pressure with school exams to kept making mistakes [15:30] Riddell: I've requesed he leave the channels until 19th may when his exams are over, then from that point on he only particpates in support channels to try to learn the basics [15:30] Riddell: he has made a lot of exuses that he's working with upstream developers and Jonathan Thomas on critical issues so can't back away from any channels [15:31] Riddell: as he claims Jonathan Thomas gave him the job of upstream communication/bug logger I said I'd speak to you about getting that position removed from him with the minimal distruption [15:32] it's hardly a position it's just something Jonathan thought he might be useful at [15:32] Riddell: and then agree that no more of these positions should be given to him until he is able to actually contibute to a development channel (after he seems to have got to grips with the support channels for example) [15:32] I don't know if he has been useful at it or not [15:32] Riddell: I stepped in as I saw Mamarok getting quite frustrated with him in -devel - not for the first time [15:32] mm, we all are somewhat [15:32] Riddell: hence why I'm running this past you now [15:33] Riddell: if there is anything you disagreee with or think I've stepped over the line, say so I can remedey it [15:33] I also made it clear that once he comes back - it will be a "final" warning for the channels he's in, no more duff advice, telling lies about what's doing/done - if he doesn't know, don't say "I know, I'll do it" etc etc [15:33] I think best to ask Jonathan how he's getting on with bug work, if he's actually being useful then no need to kick him out from that [15:33] this has gone on for well over a year so I'm trying to draw a line under it [15:34] if he's just making noise as he does elsewhere then fine to kick him out [15:34] Pici: jussi01 others, if I'm wrong on this, please correct me also [15:34] Riddell: I'll happily speak to Jonathan, I just wanted you to be in the loop with what I've done/said so far as a contact for #kubuntu-devel [15:35] and sure kick him out of support channels again [15:35] I think its a case of see if heis helpful, then act on it - Ive been monitoring it for a bit, and we will just have to wait. we have given him warnings on several things, so if he doesnt improve, then ok. [15:35] well, he's keen so I'm trying to see if that can be got a grip on without all the pain that comes with it, hence the "last chance" when he come sback after the 19th [15:36] jussi01: keep in mind this issue is well over a year old, hence why I 'm trying to draw a line under it [15:36] the final straw was him telling someone 6.06 is unsupported [15:36] (for me) [15:37] ikonia: yeah, Im well aware of the issue and its history, we just need to give appropriate warnings and back those up with bans. [15:37] jussi01: well, his ban history is long, and hence why I'm mentioning in here that I've spent two days with him, and other individual days, and now another long conversation with him today [15:38] ikonia: Im well aware of it. (and thank you for spending the time) [15:38] it's a shame to waste his enthusiasm , but he's just talking "noise" to people, and as you said it needs to start being acted on [15:38] It's too bad there seems no way to channel all the enrgy he has into something he could actually do well at [15:38] genii: thats the problem he wants to be "l33t" (his words) now - not do the effort [15:38] Its good we are being verbose about the issue, it prevents misunderstandings. [15:38] it's a tricky case since he's on the edge of being useful and just being a pain, I'm not going to stand in the way of him being kicked out of places at all [15:39] Riddell: Ill handle this issue and Liase with ikonia about it if you like, I want to have a word with a few others (IRCC) about it also. [15:39] jussi01: hence why I wanted to make sure you where around and Riddell as I didn't want to overstep anything [15:40] In #ubuntu, ct5f said: ubottu: but there is this page in italian?? [15:42] don't be afraid just to kick him out of places, no point spending even longer discussing it on top of spending time trying to make him do something useful [15:43] Riddell: well, just wanted to make you aware of what I've said and why [15:44] Riddell: ok, no probs. [15:45] erUSUL called the ops in #ubuntu (kk) [15:46] genii: the alias's I gave you op you automatically... [15:47] jussi01: Yeah I just figured that out now [15:48] genii: its a small hack - just a wait in there, but it works [15:51] jussi01: I need more practice at this booting stuff. In #k it was usually quiet [15:56] * jussi01 prods genii [16:00] jussi01: I'm alive, I'm alive :) Just went to grab a coffee [16:30] Ugh, bad attitudes today. [16:30] Pici: it does seem one of those days [16:31] phase of the moon thing? [16:35] /msg jussi01 Did it let you back in there yet? [16:35] bah [16:35] /msg ikonia I can't believe that genii messed up that command [16:35] ha ha ha [16:36] * genii sulks [16:36] /msg nickserv identify I_love_pici [16:36] oops [16:36] how did that slip out [16:36] :P [16:36] Thats my password too! [16:36] big head [16:37] haha [16:38] /msg jussi01 wow these guys are loser [16:41] /msg ikonia you too? i will have to kill you then sorry [16:42] /msg christel ljl is making threats against me....again [16:42] ok ok, I'll stop [16:46] ikonia: now the only right thing to do would be for christel to k:line someone else instead of me by "mistake". like you. [16:47] * christel klines Pici [16:47] LjL: thanks for your support again [16:47] i guess that's also a workable solution... [16:48] oooo, escalating op wars by grovelling for staff support. That's fighting dirty. No cake for any of you [16:48] I need to lose weight, I'm thankful of no cake [16:49] it's probably a lie anyway [16:49] surely if the cake is a lie so must any excess weight be? [16:49] reverse [16:49] i need to throw food and drinks into me on the other hand, i'll have the cake [16:49] even if it's a lie, so is the rest anyway [16:50] * jussi01 needs to live on air for a bit... [16:50] * ikonia sends jussi01 fish and chips [16:50] * jussi01 politely refuses... too fat already [16:51] * ikonia redirects to ljl [16:56] runny noses suck [17:00] * LjL chews [17:13] * genii sips [17:28] Madpilot: I think Soul_Shadow probably has you muted, me too as well. [17:28] charming [17:28] if I op does that cut thru muting? can't remember. [17:28] Nope [17:29] well then, the kickban he's earning will come as something of a surprise... [17:33] * jussi01 butts in - if you have ops, why not unmute yourself? [17:33] s/muted/ignored/g [17:33] ahhh [17:33] gotcha [17:34] Brain not work well [17:36] ubot2, 42 is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. [17:36] silly bot [17:36] @login [17:36] The operation succeeded. [17:36] wrong bot [17:36] ya [17:36] too many of them [17:36] ubottu, 42 is The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything. [17:36] I'll remember that, Madpilot [17:36] They're like bunnies. [17:40] ikonia: ping [17:40] * Pici palms [17:42] Pici, Mr. 'themes iz impossible, especially if you won't read instructions'... oh boy. [17:46] !-snuxoll [17:46] Sorry, I don't know anything about snuxoll [17:46] !-snuxoll-#ubuntu-offtopic [17:46] snuxoll-#ubuntu-offtopic has no aliases - added by LjL on 2009-03-19 02:59:35 - last edited by Flannel on 2009-04-01 00:04:38 [17:47] Eating, /away [17:48] !-dmsuperman-#ubuntu-offtopic [17:48]