[00:06] <wirechief> cwillu i finally reached a point where i can get a freeze  bug to reproduce every time
[00:06] <cwillu> yay :)
[00:06] <cwillu> just in time to get it fixed for 9.10
[00:07] <wirechief> unfortunately i have packages that are not in the standard package but are upgrades.
[00:07] <wirechief> and since i dont really understand the process, i am left with not being able to report it
[00:08] <wirechief> but i know how to avoid the freeze ;)
[00:08] <wirechief> i dont think its the original bug  just a mutant of it
[00:09] <mnemo> wirechief: which non-standard packages? whats the repro? what hardware?
[00:09] <wirechief> i have Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.30-020630rc4-generic #020630rc4 SMP Fri May 1 08:25:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:10] <wirechief> ii  xserver-xorg-video-intel                   2:2.7.99.1+git20090505.r1.a8a771a
[00:10] <wirechief> ii  libgl1-mesa-dri                            7.5.0~git20090507+mesa-7-5-branch.6a3004b9-0ubuntu0sarvatt A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- D
[00:11] <wirechief> repro is sarvatt
[00:11] <wirechief> mnemo repro is sarvatt
[00:11] <wirechief> if i go to here: www.woodtv.com it freezes immediately
[00:12] <mnemo> aah right that one
[00:12] <wirechief> i have a usb-stick with original packages and it doesnt freeze
[00:12] <wirechief> i reported it though on a a bug 361778
[00:12] <wirechief> details on that
[00:13] <wirechief> with xswat tests results
[00:14] <wirechief> i put it on that bug because its probably not the bug i first encountered but a mutant that mimincs it.
[00:15] <wirechief> it was suggested to try dropping to exa but that didnt help.
[00:16] <wirechief> so, its a real bug but maybe not fixable because of the non standard packageing (i dont know) but was hoping maybe it might help in some other things.
[00:16] <wirechief> also mr sarvatt confirmed the bug it does the same thing to him.
[00:18] <mnemo> yea i've been able to repro that woodtv freeze as well with similar versions
[00:18] <wirechief> i am anxious  to be able to test the next release Karmic on this hardware.
[00:18] <mnemo> wirechief: i think bryce uploaded a new intel to karmic today
[00:18] <wirechief> great mnemo maybe there is a link that can be identified
[00:18] <wirechief> cool
[00:19] <wirechief> all i use jaunty for here is testing anyways.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> wirechief: start now
[00:19] <BUGabundo> I'm already on it!
[00:19] <BUGabundo> and if you are discussing it on +1, you should too
[00:19] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:19] <wirechief> hey BUGabundo good to see ya.
[00:19] <BUGabundo> wirechief: hi
[00:20] <BUGabundo> wirechief: $ update-manager -d
[00:20] <wirechief> well since my issue might affect karmic i thought i would drop by and mention my freeze
[00:20] <wirechief> hmm update-manager -d   ok
[00:20] <BUGabundo> are there freezes? /sarcasm
[00:21] <wirechief> no they are real issues i would think.
[00:21] <wirechief> not sure what kernel that karmic will be using, im using the latest 2.6.30
[00:21] <mnemo> yea we totally need lots of good gfx testers to get KMS right in karmic
[00:22] <mnemo> wirechief: karmic already has .30 kernel and 2.7.0 is compiling right now (will be there shortly)
[00:22] <wirechief> well, that would be cool, i could then see if the www.woodtv.com  freezes karmic
[00:22] <mnemo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[00:22] <wirechief> mnemo great
[00:23] <BUGabundo> mnemo: are you saying we are going to have 2.7.?
[00:23] <BUGabundo> or that its just starting at linux
[00:23] <wirechief> i will do what BUGabundo gave me and see, (have to do in the am because of FAP issues)
[00:23] <mnemo> BUGabundo: yea, check the URL I pasted... its building.. will hit repos rsn
[00:23] <mnemo> BUGabundo: im not sure if thats the final ver for karmic though, its probably not
[00:23] <mnemo> carl worth is taking fixes for a 2.7.1 release which is coming soon as well for example
[00:32] <ienorand> Does auto-login work for anyone on the .30 kernel?
[00:33] <BUGabundo> ienorand: ME
[00:33] <ienorand> ok... I get that it doesnt work on .30 but fine on .28
[00:37] <BUGabundo> guys need a check
[00:37] <BUGabundo> opening a ssh or ftp bookmark from Places opens Firefox and not nautilus
[00:37] <BUGabundo> can anyone confirm or deny?
[00:42] <ienorand> BUGabundo: putting ftp://ftp.gnome.org/mirror in the bookmarks via nautilus opens in nautilus for me.
[00:42] <BUGabundo> bah
[00:42] <BUGabundo> ff 3.6 is opening on my laptop
[00:43] <BUGabundo> guess it replaced sftp mime
[00:43] <ienorand> well I do have 3.0.10, so maybe theres a shift in 3.6
[02:02] <DanaG> Your CPU supports the following C-states : C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6
[02:02] <DanaG> Your BIOS reports the following C-states : C1 C4
[02:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[02:25] <space_cadet> okay... you guys seem more likely to give me help
[02:25] <space_cadet> using jaunty.
[02:25] <space_cadet> will not hibernate
[02:26] <space_cadet> when swap is on     PM will NOT create a hibernation image
[02:26] <space_cadet> when swap is off...   PM will create and attempt to write a hibernation image, but fails (for obvious reasons)
[02:27] <space_cadet> http://paste.ubuntu.com/167348/  << my disk/ram setup  |   http://paste.ubuntu.com/167349/ <<dmesg   | http://paste.ubuntu.com/167350/  <<syslog   |   http://paste.ubuntu.com/167351/  << kern.log
[02:51] <AlienX_> ok, now that was kind of funny
[03:24] <space_cadet> i'm happy
[03:24] <space_cadet> all i had to do is add the resume line to the grub list kernel options
[11:49] <BUGabundo> am I the only one with Firefox still stating jaunty?
[11:49] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090503 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Minefield/3.6a1pre ID:20090503175558
[12:18]  * maxb ponders upgrading to karmic
[12:18] <maxb> should probably wait for the amd64 buildds to catch up though
[12:21] <BUGabundo> maxb: $update-manager -d
[12:21] <BUGabundo> naaa its just fine
[13:09] <space_cadet> what does this mean??    btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f6029200 failed to resubmit (1)
[14:02] <BUGabundo> humm what the heck
[14:02] <BUGabundo> .gnupg is filed with garbage
[14:02] <BUGabundo> anyone else see this?
[14:02] <kklimonda> nope
[14:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: ienorand: hggdh: kklimonda: ping
[14:02] <kklimonda> define "garbage"
[14:02] <kklimonda> :)
[14:02] <BUGabundo> ahhh you were faster this time
[14:03] <BUGabundo> 311 files starting with .xh4t5t35tblablabla
[14:03] <BUGabundo> been having trouble connecing with my ssh key
[14:03] <BUGabundo> so was about to rename it, when I found all that garbage there
[14:03] <BUGabundo> close 20MiBs of files
[14:04] <kklimonda> some temp?
[14:04] <BUGabundo> too many
[14:04] <ienorand> BUGabundo: I haven't actually used gpg on this machine, so it's clean from start it seems.
[14:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and what are they containing?
[14:06] <kklimonda> do they contain? :/
[14:06] <kklimonda> whatever
[14:08] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: don't know. I deleted them
[14:08] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:08] <BUGabundo> and I've found a new kernel bug....
[14:08] <kklimonda> heh ;)
[14:08] <BUGabundo> just can get read of them
[14:09] <BUGabundo> resuming from suspend
[14:09] <BUGabundo> I get a message stating "no image found, doing normal boot"
[14:09] <BUGabundo> and then it resumes from image
[14:09] <BUGabundo> DUH
[14:09] <BUGabundo> apw: ping
[14:09] <BUGabundo> apw: have you any records of this ?
[14:10] <BUGabundo> let me file it
[14:10]  * BUGabundo looks at the clock.... its getting late
[14:10] <BUGabundo> $ ubuntu-bug linux
[14:10] <BUGabundo> humm
[14:10] <BUGabundo>  /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apport/packaging_impl.py:63: DeprecationWarning: Accessed deprecated property Package.installedVersion, please see the Version class for alternatives.
[14:11] <BUGabundo> seems I need to file another on apport
[14:11] <BUGabundo> or python
[14:11] <kklimonda> apport
[14:12] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/05/08/long-exposure-shows-roomba-cleaning-path/
[14:13] <kklimonda> nice :)
[14:13] <BUGabundo> heeh best bug title EVER
[14:14] <kklimonda> where? where?
[14:14] <kklimonda> "it doesn't work" ? ;)
[14:14] <BUGabundo> nope
[14:14] <BUGabundo> even better
[14:14] <BUGabundo> uploading apport for linux on 2G
[14:14] <BUGabundo> so its taking a while
[14:15] <BUGabundo> 1.2KB/S
[14:15] <kklimonda> 2G? where are you? ;)
[14:15] <BUGabundo> I have hpusa... but seems its faling
[14:15] <BUGabundo> oh it just gone up for a sec, and then down again
[14:15] <BUGabundo> I'm on my home office
[14:16] <BUGabundo> usually I'm on the 3rd floor, on my multimedia room
[14:16] <kklimonda> you can't get a decent connection at home?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> so higher, better signal
[14:16] <kklimonda> like some adsl?
[14:16] <kklimonda> or cable modem?
[14:16] <BUGabundo> I would like to have cable
[14:16] <BUGabundo> but the ISP won't allow me to get net on my current TV plan
[14:17] <kklimonda> oh?
[14:17] <kklimonda> why?
[14:17] <BUGabundo> and I don't want to upgrade (more expensive, same shi...)
[14:17] <kklimonda> heh
[14:17] <BUGabundo> thinking of getting adsl with my brother
[14:17] <BUGabundo> dividing the cost
[14:17] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: get your self ready!!!
[14:17] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/374092
[14:18] <kklimonda> hehe
[14:19] <BUGabundo> hurrr you on identica??
[14:19] <BUGabundo> I though you woulnt
[14:20] <kklimonda> well, i can check it once in a while ;)
[14:21] <BUGabundo> "Alpha 1 freeze ahead" yay
[14:38] <apw> BUGabundo, wjen resuming from suspend (not hibernate) there is no image to resume, the resume message is from boot time when it tried to resume a non-existant hibernate image
[14:38] <BUGabundo> apw: ah??
[14:38] <BUGabundo> this is from resume from hibernate
[14:38] <BUGabundo> not supend
[14:39] <BUGabundo> I've seen this message on kernel .30 every time
[14:39] <apw> well you shouldn't use the word suspend then!
 resuming from suspend
 I get a message stating "no image found, doing normal boot"
[14:40] <BUGabundo> apw: humm typo, sorry
[14:40] <BUGabundo> meant hibernate
[14:40] <BUGabundo> I can't resume from suspend... X won't resume :(
[14:40] <BUGabundo> apw: check bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/374092
[14:42] <BUGabundo> bbl ... LUG meeting
[14:42] <BUGabundo> bbl
[15:30] <rski> hello was svgalib_helper module removd?
[15:58] <spaceBARbarian> can someone help me out, i can't run updates, ever time i click "check" or "install updates" the manager just goes gray and does nothing
[15:59] <rski> screenshot
[16:01] <spaceBARbarian> rski: whats to screenshot ? when i click either of those buttons the whole thing goes gray , i.e. disabled gray, and i cant do anything but kill the process
[16:03] <BUGabundo1> spaceBARbarian: try on cli
[16:03] <BUGabundo1> so we get debug errors
[16:03] <spaceBARbarian> cli ?
[16:03] <BUGabundo1> consola
[16:04] <BUGabundo1> spaceBARbarian: tenta $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:04] <BUGabundo1> e poe em pastebin os erros e manda pra ca o link
[16:04] <spaceBARbarian> english please :P
[16:05] <BUGabundo1> o q e' n percebeste?
[16:08] <kklimonda> -.-
[16:09] <BUGabundo1> oh sorry
[16:09] <BUGabundo1> wrong channel eheh
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> not looking at screen while watching presentation.... lol sorry about that
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> oh he left
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> :\\
[16:10] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: did I scared him away»
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> ?
[16:10] <kklimonda> looks like it ;)
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> oh I'm so sorry
[16:10] <charlie-tca> He still could have followed the advice to manually try updating. It was pretty clear
[16:10] <BUGabundo1> can you query him please?
[16:11] <BUGabundo1> I'm on too many channels multilanguage
[16:11] <BUGabundo1> and not reading the # leads to that
[16:14] <charlie-tca> Can anyone get the i386 alternate cd's to work?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> I can not install from them, and they won't run the disk check
[16:17] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: KK?
[16:17] <BUGabundo1> or JJ ?
[16:17]  * Twigathy_ ponders a dist-upgrade to KK to see if NFS root has been broken yet :D
[16:18] <BUGabundo1> Twigathy_: do it NOW
[16:18] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[16:18] <charlie-tca> kk
[16:18] <charlie-tca> Karmic
[16:18] <BUGabundo1> are there cds already for KK?
[16:19] <BUGabundo1> im so outdated
[16:19] <Twigathy_> BUGabundo1: I'll have to back up my current install, but I'm willing to give it a go :-)
[16:19] <charlie-tca> yes, cd's are out. Alternate images only, including the server images
[16:19] <BUGabundo1> humm dailies!!!! yay
[16:19] <BUGabundo1> I see desktop 64b
[16:19] <charlie-tca> Amd64 images work, but i386 images just freeze
[16:19] <BUGabundo1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:19] <BUGabundo1> so buildds don't build 64bits
[16:20] <BUGabundo1> but images its for i386 lol
[16:20] <charlie-tca> so I'm behind again. I didn't know  desktop images released. They were not out yesterday
[16:21] <BUGabundo1> charlie-tca: they are new. from TODAY
[16:21] <BUGabundo1> so for pre-test alpha1
[16:21] <charlie-tca> right
[16:22] <charlie-tca> But that doesn't fix the alternate 386 issue
[16:24]  * Twigathy_ removes a backup so he has space for a backup...this can't end well ;)
[16:25] <BUGabundo1> ahahahhahaahahaaha
[16:25] <BUGabundo1> that is going for the intertubes... sorry
[16:25] <Twigathy_> ??
[16:26] <BUGabundo1> sent
[16:26] <BUGabundo1> Twigathy_: http://identi.ca/notice/4098245
[16:31] <Twigathy_> uhoh :D
[16:31] <Twigathy_> I'm on twitter as 'Twigathy' btw ;)
[16:36] <BUGabundo1> eheh
[16:36] <BUGabundo1> too late
[16:36] <BUGabundo1> I don't use twit
[16:37] <Twigathy_> :)
[16:37] <BUGabundo1> I rather stick with FOSS
[16:40] <RoC_MasterMind> if anyone has an ~/.aumixrc, can you send it to me?
[16:54] <Twigathy_> right, backup made. I'll try a dist-upgrade this evening :)
[16:54] <Twigathy_> I assume I can still do an `update-manager -d' in Jaunty to get Karmic?
[17:01] <ienorand> Twigathy_: last time I tried I had to manually change sources.lst, but it might have changed by now...
[17:03] <Twigathy_> ok
[17:33] <wirechief> bug 361778
[17:34] <wirechief> seems to be fixed now for me
[18:00] <G__81> hi
[18:01] <G__81> ok now i want to start off with some bug activity in 9.10 now i am gonna install 9.04 in my VBox now how do i upgrade it to Karmic
[18:03] <hggdh> G__81, after installing 9.04, open a terminal and run 'update-manager -d'. This will start the upgrade process to KK
[18:03] <G__81> hmmm ok got it
[18:04] <BUGabundo> G__81: welcome!
[18:04] <BUGabundo> we wait for you to dist upgrade to devel
[18:04] <G__81> thanks BUGabundo :)
[18:04] <G__81> so ok let me do it in my VM
[18:04] <G__81> installed VBox
[18:05] <BUGabundo> G__81: $ update-manager -d
[18:06] <G__81> so now i am new to Ubuntu team should i subscribe to some ML. I got an email from Brian today as i had applied for bugs squad in LP so i have expressed my interest in bugs and want to fix bugs so that i help Ubuntu and learn something valuable technically
[18:06] <BUGabundo> G__81: before you ask: KK = karmic koala 9.10
[18:06] <BUGabundo>  !releases
[18:06] <G__81> and i read somewhere the name has been changed
[18:06] <BUGabundo>  !schedules
[18:06] <G__81> is it so ?>
[18:06] <BUGabundo>  !schedule
[18:07] <BUGabundo> G__81: important ML are -devel-announce, -devel, devel-discuss, -motu
[18:07] <BUGabundo> etc
[18:09] <G__81> motu is only for packagers right ?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> don't know
[18:10] <BUGabundo> AFAIK everyone can sub to any list
[18:13] <hggdh> G__81, pretty much all lists are opened (except ubuntu-devel). Motu tends to discuss packaging and directions in the Universe
[18:13] <BUGabundo> hggdh: welcome back.
[18:14] <G__81> hmm ok thanks
[18:14] <BUGabundo> hggdh: diff point
[18:14] <BUGabundo> every but one list is open to subs
[18:14] <BUGabundo> most are open to post if sub, some moderated
[18:18] <G__81> ok i am creating the Ubuntu stuff in VBox
[18:19]  * hggdh courteously bows
[18:22] <G__81> and then would update it to 9.10 and get back soon
[18:23] <G__81> i am sorry to ask this but people told me that i wouldnt have much to do in Ubuntu as Ubuntu does more of packaging alone and not much of development and bug fixing is that true. sorry if i have asked this here
[18:23] <setuid> I've been fighting with Debian Lenny for the last few days... the wireless and WWAN support is just non-functional. I was previously running Jaunty before that, but some update broke X in a non-reversible way.
[18:23] <hggdh> G__81, we do both... all we need is people interested in helping ;-)
[18:24] <setuid> What is the best flavor to run, if I need proper nvidia 3D support and wifi/wwan?
[18:24] <setuid> I'd like it to be current, because my OSS development requires that I have current libs/headers
[18:24] <hggdh> setuid, this channel is for the next ubuntu version (KK), only. I am not sure how your question fits in...
[18:25] <setuid> hggdh, Well, if Hardy isn't current, and Jaunty is broken.. isn't KK going to have fixed some of those issues?
[18:26] <Twigathy_> Jaunty's broken?
[18:26] <hggdh> setuid, yes, indeed. But not necessarily right now (and, anyway, fixes to jaunty will still be backported if they are critical)
[18:26] <Twigathy_> oh, I read upchannel now c_c
[18:27] <setuid> Twigathy_, X no longer loads... known issue, reported all over the web, nobody has a fix, and rolling back doesn't fix it.
[18:27] <Twigathy_> ...ouch :S
[18:27] <setuid> Perhaps I should use the stock Jaunty from DVD, and not ever upgrade it
[18:27] <hggdh> there are some fixes for jaunty in proposed. They may, or may not, fix your issue, but you would have to try...
[18:27] <setuid> hrm... that's one approach
[18:28] <setuid> hggdh, I pulled everything current, including backports, and even tried running KK, but it didn't fix it. Oddly though, I could start X as root, but not as a normal user (ddgSigQuit message of some sort)
[18:29] <G__81> hey ok friends i got to go now and would be back tomorrow and would love to talk more on this and hopefully be part of the team :)
[18:29] <hggdh> setuid, did you alse enable -proposed?
[18:30] <setuid> No, I didn't
[18:30] <hggdh> G__81, thank you for helping
[18:30] <G__81> my pleasure :)
[18:30] <hggdh> setuid, ...
 there are some fixes for jaunty in proposed. They may, or may not, fix your issue, but you would have to try...
[18:30] <setuid> hggdh, Do you know if any Ubuntu version allows encrypted LVM in the installer? Perhaps the alternate installers?
[18:31] <charlie-tca> setuid: yes, the alternate ISO includes encrypted LVM, so does the server versions
[18:31] <hggdh> setuid, probably the alternate, yes. I do not use encrypted LVMs, so I am not sure (but I do use LVMs, and I do have encrypted areas)
[18:31] <setuid> charlie-tca, And the difference between server and alternate/desktop is?
[18:32] <hggdh> server == no X
[18:32] <charlie-tca> server has no desktop environment
[18:32] <setuid> But it can be installed, of course
[18:32] <charlie-tca> (as in, no GUI)
[18:32] <hggdh> alternate == more options, for those that need more control
[18:44] <rumpel> is there a howto, how i can contribute to karmic?
[18:47] <rski> no then it wouldn't be contributing :F
[18:47] <rumpel> o.O
[18:47] <rumpel> i'm just curious...
[18:48] <rski> contributing to karmic = submitting patches to software included in karmic
[18:49] <rumpel> hmm... so there's no automatism for running karmic and sending bugreports/logs/etc.?
[18:50] <rski> sure you can report bugs
[18:50] <rumpel> or a list with wanted features, which are missing in 9.04 :)
[18:50] <rumpel> like rotating touchpad when rotating desktop
[18:50] <rski> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.10
[18:50] <rumpel> on eee without external screen
[18:51] <rumpel> tnx
[21:16] <rski> im getting segmentation fault when i try to use svga
[21:16] <usr> what is spacewalk ?
[21:17] <rski> and the module libsvga_helper isn't in place
[21:17] <rski> can't modprobe it
[21:17] <rski> usr: um from where?
[21:17] <usr> im newbie in such things
[21:17] <usr> so wanted to know
[21:17] <rski> ok i dont understand
[21:18] <usr> what exactly?
[21:18] <rski> the question
[21:18] <usr> Topic is 'Spacewalk 0.5 released
[21:18] <rski> ah
[21:18] <rski> didnt notice
[21:19] <rski> i dont se it in topic :/
[21:19] <usr> lol
[21:19] <usr> its another channel
[21:19] <ienorand> um, this is #ubuntu+1 guys....
[21:19] <usr> i just want to know whats that
[21:19] <rski> dont ask here then
[21:19] <usr> ok
[21:19] <usr> sorry
[21:20] <usr> im new on this network
[21:20] <Pici> usr: Ask in the channel that you see the topic in, not the Ubuntu 9.10 channel.
[21:20] <usr> what is ubuntu+1 ?
[21:20] <rski> Pici:  should i report a bug
[21:20] <rski> on my above issue
[21:20] <charlie-tca> I would ask in the channel you saw it, usr
[21:21] <rski> usr: the channel for the next ubuntu
[21:21] <Pici> rski: Sounds like a good idea.
[21:21] <rski> kk
[21:25] <rski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250
[22:59] <joetheodd> Hey guys -- does karmic have anything to actually update to at this point?
[22:59] <rski> sure
[23:02] <ienorand> joetheodd: yup, I haven't seen any improvements really so far, but not too much breakage either...
[23:20] <joetheodd> Good lord, a karmic upgrade is 400MB already?1
[23:20] <joetheodd> !*. Epic typo. -.-
[23:21] <DanaG> ¬_¬