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wirechiefcwillu i finally reached a point where i can get a freeze  bug to reproduce every time00:06
cwilluyay :)00:06
cwillujust in time to get it fixed for 9.1000:06
wirechiefunfortunately i have packages that are not in the standard package but are upgrades.00:07
wirechiefand since i dont really understand the process, i am left with not being able to report it00:07
wirechiefbut i know how to avoid the freeze ;)00:08
wirechiefi dont think its the original bug  just a mutant of it00:08
mnemowirechief: which non-standard packages? whats the repro? what hardware?00:09
wirechiefi have Linux wirechief-laptop 2.6.30-020630rc4-generic #020630rc4 SMP Fri May 1 08:25:59 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux00:09
wirechiefii  xserver-xorg-video-intel                   2:2.7.99.1+git20090505.r1.a8a771a00:10
wirechiefii  libgl1-mesa-dri                            7.5.0~git20090507+mesa-7-5-branch.6a3004b9-0ubuntu0sarvatt A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- D00:10
wirechiefrepro is sarvatt00:11
wirechiefmnemo repro is sarvatt00:11
wirechiefif i go to here: www.woodtv.com it freezes immediately00:11
mnemoaah right that one00:12
wirechiefi have a usb-stick with original packages and it doesnt freeze00:12
wirechiefi reported it though on a a bug 36177800:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 361778 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965gm] [jaunty] desktop freezes suddenly" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36177800:12
wirechiefdetails on that00:12
wirechiefwith xswat tests results00:13
wirechiefi put it on that bug because its probably not the bug i first encountered but a mutant that mimincs it.00:14
wirechiefit was suggested to try dropping to exa but that didnt help.00:15
wirechiefso, its a real bug but maybe not fixable because of the non standard packageing (i dont know) but was hoping maybe it might help in some other things.00:16
wirechiefalso mr sarvatt confirmed the bug it does the same thing to him.00:16
mnemoyea i've been able to repro that woodtv freeze as well with similar versions00:18
wirechiefi am anxious  to be able to test the next release Karmic on this hardware.00:18
mnemowirechief: i think bryce uploaded a new intel to karmic today00:18
wirechiefgreat mnemo maybe there is a link that can be identified00:18
wirechiefcool00:18
wirechiefall i use jaunty for here is testing anyways.00:19
BUGabundowirechief: start now00:19
BUGabundoI'm already on it!00:19
BUGabundoand if you are discussing it on +1, you should too00:19
BUGabundoeheh00:19
wirechiefhey BUGabundo good to see ya.00:19
BUGabundowirechief: hi00:19
BUGabundowirechief: $ update-manager -d00:20
wirechiefwell since my issue might affect karmic i thought i would drop by and mention my freeze00:20
wirechiefhmm update-manager -d   ok00:20
BUGabundoare there freezes? /sarcasm00:20
wirechiefno they are real issues i would think.00:21
wirechiefnot sure what kernel that karmic will be using, im using the latest 2.6.3000:21
mnemoyea we totally need lots of good gfx testers to get KMS right in karmic00:21
mnemowirechief: karmic already has .30 kernel and 2.7.0 is compiling right now (will be there shortly)00:22
wirechiefwell, that would be cool, i could then see if the www.woodtv.com  freezes karmic00:22
mnemohttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel00:22
wirechiefmnemo great00:22
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BUGabundomnemo: are you saying we are going to have 2.7.?00:23
BUGabundoor that its just starting at linux00:23
wirechiefi will do what BUGabundo gave me and see, (have to do in the am because of FAP issues)00:23
mnemoBUGabundo: yea, check the URL I pasted... its building.. will hit repos rsn00:23
mnemoBUGabundo: im not sure if thats the final ver for karmic though, its probably not00:23
mnemocarl worth is taking fixes for a 2.7.1 release which is coming soon as well for example00:23
ienorandDoes auto-login work for anyone on the .30 kernel?00:32
BUGabundoienorand: ME00:33
ienorandok... I get that it doesnt work on .30 but fine on .2800:33
BUGabundoguys need a check00:37
BUGabundoopening a ssh or ftp bookmark from Places opens Firefox and not nautilus00:37
BUGabundocan anyone confirm or deny?00:37
ienorandBUGabundo: putting ftp://ftp.gnome.org/mirror in the bookmarks via nautilus opens in nautilus for me.00:42
BUGabundobah00:42
BUGabundoff 3.6 is opening on my laptop00:42
BUGabundoguess it replaced sftp mime00:43
ienorandwell I do have 3.0.10, so maybe theres a shift in 3.600:43
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DanaGYour CPU supports the following C-states : C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C602:02
DanaGYour BIOS reports the following C-states : C1 C402:02
BUGabundolol02:08
space_cadetokay... you guys seem more likely to give me help02:25
space_cadetusing jaunty.02:25
space_cadetwill not hibernate02:25
space_cadetwhen swap is on     PM will NOT create a hibernation image02:26
space_cadetwhen swap is off...   PM will create and attempt to write a hibernation image, but fails (for obvious reasons)02:26
space_cadethttp://paste.ubuntu.com/167348/  << my disk/ram setup  |   http://paste.ubuntu.com/167349/ <<dmesg   | http://paste.ubuntu.com/167350/  <<syslog   |   http://paste.ubuntu.com/167351/  << kern.log02:27
AlienX_ok, now that was kind of funny02:51
space_cadeti'm happy03:24
space_cadetall i had to do is add the resume line to the grub list kernel options03:24
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BUGabundoam I the only one with Firefox still stating jaunty?11:49
BUGabundoMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090503 Ubuntu/9.04 (jaunty) Minefield/3.6a1pre ID:2009050317555811:49
* maxb ponders upgrading to karmic12:18
maxbshould probably wait for the amd64 buildds to catch up though12:18
BUGabundomaxb: $update-manager -d12:21
BUGabundonaaa its just fine12:21
space_cadetwhat does this mean??    btusb_intr_complete: hci0 urb f6029200 failed to resubmit (1)13:09
BUGabundohumm what the heck14:02
BUGabundo.gnupg is filed with garbage14:02
BUGabundoanyone else see this?14:02
kklimondanope14:02
BUGabundokklimonda: ienorand: hggdh: kklimonda: ping14:02
kklimondadefine "garbage"14:02
kklimonda:)14:02
BUGabundoahhh you were faster this time14:02
BUGabundo311 files starting with .xh4t5t35tblablabla14:03
BUGabundobeen having trouble connecing with my ssh key14:03
BUGabundoso was about to rename it, when I found all that garbage there14:03
BUGabundoclose 20MiBs of files14:03
kklimondasome temp?14:04
BUGabundotoo many14:04
ienorandBUGabundo: I haven't actually used gpg on this machine, so it's clean from start it seems.14:04
kklimondaBUGabundo: and what are they containing?14:06
kklimondado they contain? :/14:06
kklimondawhatever14:06
BUGabundokklimonda: don't know. I deleted them14:08
BUGabundolol14:08
BUGabundoand I've found a new kernel bug....14:08
kklimondaheh ;)14:08
BUGabundojust can get read of them14:08
BUGabundoresuming from suspend14:09
BUGabundoI get a message stating "no image found, doing normal boot"14:09
BUGabundoand then it resumes from image14:09
BUGabundoDUH14:09
BUGabundoapw: ping14:09
BUGabundoapw: have you any records of this ?14:09
BUGabundolet me file it14:10
* BUGabundo looks at the clock.... its getting late14:10
BUGabundo$ ubuntu-bug linux14:10
BUGabundohumm14:10
BUGabundo /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apport/packaging_impl.py:63: DeprecationWarning: Accessed deprecated property Package.installedVersion, please see the Version class for alternatives.14:10
BUGabundoseems I need to file another on apport14:11
BUGabundoor python14:11
kklimondaapport14:11
BUGabundokklimonda: http://www.doobybrain.com/2009/05/08/long-exposure-shows-roomba-cleaning-path/14:12
kklimondanice :)14:13
BUGabundoheeh best bug title EVER14:13
kklimondawhere? where?14:14
kklimonda"it doesn't work" ? ;)14:14
BUGabundonope14:14
BUGabundoeven better14:14
BUGabundouploading apport for linux on 2G14:14
BUGabundoso its taking a while14:14
BUGabundo1.2KB/S14:15
kklimonda2G? where are you? ;)14:15
BUGabundoI have hpusa... but seems its faling14:15
BUGabundooh it just gone up for a sec, and then down again14:15
BUGabundoI'm on my home office14:15
BUGabundousually I'm on the 3rd floor, on my multimedia room14:16
kklimondayou can't get a decent connection at home?14:16
BUGabundoso higher, better signal14:16
kklimondalike some adsl?14:16
kklimondaor cable modem?14:16
BUGabundoI would like to have cable14:16
BUGabundobut the ISP won't allow me to get net on my current TV plan14:16
kklimondaoh?14:17
kklimondawhy?14:17
BUGabundoand I don't want to upgrade (more expensive, same shi...)14:17
kklimondaheh14:17
BUGabundothinking of getting adsl with my brother14:17
BUGabundodividing the cost14:17
BUGabundokklimonda: get your self ready!!!14:17
BUGabundohttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/37409214:17
ubottuUbuntu bug 374092 in linux ""no image found, doing normal boot" NOT" [Undecided,New]14:18
kklimondahehe14:18
BUGabundohurrr you on identica??14:19
BUGabundoI though you woulnt14:19
kklimondawell, i can check it once in a while ;)14:20
BUGabundo"Alpha 1 freeze ahead" yay14:21
apwBUGabundo, wjen resuming from suspend (not hibernate) there is no image to resume, the resume message is from boot time when it tried to resume a non-existant hibernate image14:38
BUGabundoapw: ah??14:38
BUGabundothis is from resume from hibernate14:38
BUGabundonot supend14:38
BUGabundoI've seen this message on kernel .30 every time14:39
apwwell you shouldn't use the word suspend then!14:39
apw<BUGabundo> resuming from suspend14:39
apw<BUGabundo> I get a message stating "no image found, doing normal boot"14:39
BUGabundoapw: humm typo, sorry14:40
BUGabundomeant hibernate14:40
BUGabundoI can't resume from suspend... X won't resume :(14:40
BUGabundoapw: check bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/37409214:40
ubottuUbuntu bug 374092 in linux ""no image found, doing normal boot" NOT" [Undecided,New]14:40
BUGabundobbl ... LUG meeting14:42
BUGabundobbl14:42
rskihello was svgalib_helper module removd?15:30
spaceBARbariancan someone help me out, i can't run updates, ever time i click "check" or "install updates" the manager just goes gray and does nothing15:58
rskiscreenshot15:59
spaceBARbarianrski: whats to screenshot ? when i click either of those buttons the whole thing goes gray , i.e. disabled gray, and i cant do anything but kill the process16:01
BUGabundo1spaceBARbarian: try on cli16:03
BUGabundo1so we get debug errors16:03
spaceBARbariancli ?16:03
BUGabundo1consola16:03
BUGabundo1spaceBARbarian: tenta $ sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade16:04
BUGabundo1e poe em pastebin os erros e manda pra ca o link16:04
spaceBARbarianenglish please :P16:04
BUGabundo1o q e' n percebeste?16:05
kklimonda-.-16:08
BUGabundo1oh sorry16:09
BUGabundo1wrong channel eheh16:09
BUGabundo1not looking at screen while watching presentation.... lol sorry about that16:10
BUGabundo1oh he left16:10
BUGabundo1:\\16:10
charlie-tcaheh16:10
BUGabundo1kklimonda: did I scared him away»16:10
BUGabundo1?16:10
kklimondalooks like it ;)16:10
BUGabundo1oh I'm so sorry16:10
charlie-tcaHe still could have followed the advice to manually try updating. It was pretty clear16:10
BUGabundo1can you query him please?16:10
BUGabundo1I'm on too many channels multilanguage16:11
BUGabundo1and not reading the # leads to that16:11
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charlie-tcaCan anyone get the i386 alternate cd's to work?16:14
charlie-tcaI can not install from them, and they won't run the disk check16:15
BUGabundo1charlie-tca: KK?16:17
BUGabundo1or JJ ?16:17
* Twigathy_ ponders a dist-upgrade to KK to see if NFS root has been broken yet :D16:17
BUGabundo1Twigathy_: do it NOW16:18
BUGabundo1eheh16:18
charlie-tcakk16:18
charlie-tcaKarmic16:18
BUGabundo1are there cds already for KK?16:18
BUGabundo1im so outdated16:19
Twigathy_BUGabundo1: I'll have to back up my current install, but I'm willing to give it a go :-)16:19
charlie-tcayes, cd's are out. Alternate images only, including the server images16:19
BUGabundo1humm dailies!!!! yay16:19
BUGabundo1I see desktop 64b16:19
charlie-tcaAmd64 images work, but i386 images just freeze16:19
BUGabundo1http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/karmic-desktop-amd64.iso16:19
BUGabundo1so buildds don't build 64bits16:19
BUGabundo1but images its for i386 lol16:20
charlie-tcaso I'm behind again. I didn't know  desktop images released. They were not out yesterday16:20
BUGabundo1charlie-tca: they are new. from TODAY16:21
BUGabundo1so for pre-test alpha116:21
charlie-tcaright16:21
charlie-tcaBut that doesn't fix the alternate 386 issue16:22
* Twigathy_ removes a backup so he has space for a backup...this can't end well ;)16:24
BUGabundo1ahahahhahaahahaaha16:25
BUGabundo1that is going for the intertubes... sorry16:25
Twigathy_??16:25
BUGabundo1sent16:26
BUGabundo1Twigathy_: http://identi.ca/notice/409824516:26
Twigathy_uhoh :D16:31
Twigathy_I'm on twitter as 'Twigathy' btw ;)16:31
BUGabundo1eheh16:36
BUGabundo1too late16:36
BUGabundo1I don't use twit16:36
Twigathy_:)16:37
BUGabundo1I rather stick with FOSS16:37
RoC_MasterMindif anyone has an ~/.aumixrc, can you send it to me?16:40
Twigathy_right, backup made. I'll try a dist-upgrade this evening :)16:54
Twigathy_I assume I can still do an `update-manager -d' in Jaunty to get Karmic?16:54
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ienorandTwigathy_: last time I tried I had to manually change sources.lst, but it might have changed by now...17:01
Twigathy_ok17:03
wirechiefbug 36177817:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 361778 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i965gm] [jaunty] desktop freezes suddenly" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36177817:33
wirechiefseems to be fixed now for me17:34
G__81hi18:00
G__81ok now i want to start off with some bug activity in 9.10 now i am gonna install 9.04 in my VBox now how do i upgrade it to Karmic18:01
hggdhG__81, after installing 9.04, open a terminal and run 'update-manager -d'. This will start the upgrade process to KK18:03
G__81hmmm ok got it18:03
BUGabundoG__81: welcome!18:04
BUGabundowe wait for you to dist upgrade to devel18:04
G__81thanks BUGabundo :)18:04
G__81so ok let me do it in my VM18:04
G__81installed VBox18:04
BUGabundoG__81: $ update-manager -d18:05
G__81so now i am new to Ubuntu team should i subscribe to some ML. I got an email from Brian today as i had applied for bugs squad in LP so i have expressed my interest in bugs and want to fix bugs so that i help Ubuntu and learn something valuable technically18:06
BUGabundoG__81: before you ask: KK = karmic koala 9.1018:06
BUGabundo !releases18:06
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases18:06
G__81and i read somewhere the name has been changed18:06
BUGabundo !schedules18:06
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about schedules18:06
G__81is it so ?>18:06
BUGabundo !schedule18:06
ubottuA schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule18:06
BUGabundoG__81: important ML are -devel-announce, -devel, devel-discuss, -motu18:07
BUGabundoetc18:07
G__81motu is only for packagers right ?18:09
BUGabundodon't know18:10
BUGabundoAFAIK everyone can sub to any list18:10
hggdhG__81, pretty much all lists are opened (except ubuntu-devel). Motu tends to discuss packaging and directions in the Universe18:13
BUGabundohggdh: welcome back.18:13
G__81hmm ok thanks18:14
BUGabundohggdh: diff point18:14
BUGabundoevery but one list is open to subs18:14
BUGabundomost are open to post if sub, some moderated18:14
G__81ok i am creating the Ubuntu stuff in VBox18:18
* hggdh courteously bows18:19
G__81and then would update it to 9.10 and get back soon18:22
G__81i am sorry to ask this but people told me that i wouldnt have much to do in Ubuntu as Ubuntu does more of packaging alone and not much of development and bug fixing is that true. sorry if i have asked this here18:23
setuidI've been fighting with Debian Lenny for the last few days... the wireless and WWAN support is just non-functional. I was previously running Jaunty before that, but some update broke X in a non-reversible way.18:23
hggdhG__81, we do both... all we need is people interested in helping ;-)18:23
setuidWhat is the best flavor to run, if I need proper nvidia 3D support and wifi/wwan?18:24
setuidI'd like it to be current, because my OSS development requires that I have current libs/headers18:24
hggdhsetuid, this channel is for the next ubuntu version (KK), only. I am not sure how your question fits in...18:24
setuidhggdh, Well, if Hardy isn't current, and Jaunty is broken.. isn't KK going to have fixed some of those issues?18:25
Twigathy_Jaunty's broken?18:26
hggdhsetuid, yes, indeed. But not necessarily right now (and, anyway, fixes to jaunty will still be backported if they are critical)18:26
Twigathy_oh, I read upchannel now c_c18:26
setuidTwigathy_, X no longer loads... known issue, reported all over the web, nobody has a fix, and rolling back doesn't fix it.18:27
Twigathy_...ouch :S18:27
setuidPerhaps I should use the stock Jaunty from DVD, and not ever upgrade it18:27
hggdhthere are some fixes for jaunty in proposed. They may, or may not, fix your issue, but you would have to try...18:27
setuidhrm... that's one approach18:27
setuidhggdh, I pulled everything current, including backports, and even tried running KK, but it didn't fix it. Oddly though, I could start X as root, but not as a normal user (ddgSigQuit message of some sort)18:28
G__81hey ok friends i got to go now and would be back tomorrow and would love to talk more on this and hopefully be part of the team :)18:29
hggdhsetuid, did you alse enable -proposed?18:29
setuidNo, I didn't18:30
hggdhG__81, thank you for helping18:30
G__81my pleasure :)18:30
hggdhsetuid, ...18:30
hggdh<hggdh> there are some fixes for jaunty in proposed. They may, or may not, fix your issue, but you would have to try...18:30
setuidhggdh, Do you know if any Ubuntu version allows encrypted LVM in the installer? Perhaps the alternate installers?18:30
charlie-tcasetuid: yes, the alternate ISO includes encrypted LVM, so does the server versions18:31
hggdhsetuid, probably the alternate, yes. I do not use encrypted LVMs, so I am not sure (but I do use LVMs, and I do have encrypted areas)18:31
setuidcharlie-tca, And the difference between server and alternate/desktop is?18:31
hggdhserver == no X18:32
charlie-tcaserver has no desktop environment18:32
setuidBut it can be installed, of course18:32
charlie-tca(as in, no GUI)18:32
hggdhalternate == more options, for those that need more control18:32
rumpelis there a howto, how i can contribute to karmic?18:44
rskino then it wouldn't be contributing :F18:47
rumpelo.O18:47
rumpeli'm just curious...18:47
rskicontributing to karmic = submitting patches to software included in karmic18:48
rumpelhmm... so there's no automatism for running karmic and sending bugreports/logs/etc.?18:49
rskisure you can report bugs18:50
rumpelor a list with wanted features, which are missing in 9.04 :)18:50
rumpellike rotating touchpad when rotating desktop18:50
rskihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-9.1018:50
rumpelon eee without external screen18:50
rumpeltnx18:51
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rskiim getting segmentation fault when i try to use svga21:16
usrwhat is spacewalk ?21:16
rskiand the module libsvga_helper isn't in place21:17
rskican't modprobe it21:17
rskiusr: um from where?21:17
usrim newbie in such things21:17
usrso wanted to know21:17
rskiok i dont understand21:17
usrwhat exactly?21:18
rskithe question21:18
usrTopic is 'Spacewalk 0.5 released21:18
rskiah21:18
rskididnt notice21:18
rskii dont se it in topic :/21:19
usrlol21:19
usrits another channel21:19
ienorandum, this is #ubuntu+1 guys....21:19
usri just want to know whats that21:19
rskidont ask here then21:19
usrok21:19
usrsorry21:19
usrim new on this network21:20
Piciusr: Ask in the channel that you see the topic in, not the Ubuntu 9.10 channel.21:20
usrwhat is ubuntu+1 ?21:20
rskiPici:  should i report a bug21:20
rskion my above issue21:20
charlie-tcaI would ask in the channel you saw it, usr21:20
rskiusr: the channel for the next ubuntu21:21
Picirski: Sounds like a good idea.21:21
rskikk21:21
rskihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/37425021:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 374250 in ubuntu "svgalib_helper is not working" [Undecided,New]21:25
joetheoddHey guys -- does karmic have anything to actually update to at this point?22:59
rskisure22:59
ienorandjoetheodd: yup, I haven't seen any improvements really so far, but not too much breakage either...23:02
joetheoddGood lord, a karmic upgrade is 400MB already?123:20
joetheodd!*. Epic typo. -.-23:20
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about Epic typo. -.-23:20
DanaG¬_¬23:21
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