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| cprofitt | #startmeeting | 22:05 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 16:05. The chair is cprofitt. | 22:05 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 22:05 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Mission Statement | 22:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mission Statement | 22:05 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda | 22:06 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda | 22:06 |
| doctormo | Here | 22:06 |
| cprofitt | Hello all... | 22:06 |
| * pleia2 waves | 22:06 | |
| cprofitt | Thanks for making it to the Ubuntu-Learning meeting | 22:06 |
| Vantrax | Thanks cp | 22:07 |
| cprofitt | Before we begin our first topic I would like to let everyone know that we need to prepare a 'rationale' for the CC (Community Council) meeting on June 2nd | 22:07 |
| cprofitt | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale | 22:08 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale | 22:08 |
| cprofitt | We will use some of the topics today to help generate that | 22:08 |
| DougieRichardson | Should this not be a specification? | 22:08 |
| cprofitt | and we will discuss that later in the meeting... but I wanted you all to see that page. | 22:08 |
| DougieRichardson | OK | 22:08 |
| Vantrax | It will be part of the specification yes | 22:08 |
| cprofitt | DougieRichardson, I have seen that used as well... | 22:08 |
| doctormo | Should I add my rationale to the page, or here? | 22:09 |
| cprofitt | now.... for the first topic... | 22:09 |
| Vantrax | to that page doctormo | 22:09 |
| cprofitt | Mission Statement | 22:09 |
| cprofitt | opens the floor up to any suggestions | 22:10 |
| Vantrax | I agree with the change proposed, basically swapping out the first line of the existing project outline with that one | 22:10 |
| pleia2 | I like the suggestion given on the wiki page | 22:10 |
| Vantrax | is that the correct understanding? | 22:10 |
| cprofitt | yes, that is the idea Vantrax | 22:10 |
| cprofitt | unless others want to suggest some more 'changes' to the word smithing | 22:10 |
| cprofitt | if there are no other comments we can vote on the proposed change... | 22:11 |
| Vantrax | I think you guys did a great job with it | 22:11 |
| cprofitt | [VOTE] Accept the proposed change to the mission statement (on the agenda) | 22:11 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Accept the proposed change to the mission statement (on the agenda). | 22:11 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 22:11 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:11 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 22:11 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 22:11 |
| thewrath | +1 | 22:12 |
| MootBot | +1 received from thewrath. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:12 |
| nhandler | 0 | 22:12 |
| nhandler | +0 | 22:12 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:12 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 22:12 |
| Vantrax | +1 | 22:12 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pleia2. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:12 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Vantrax. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:12 |
| DougieRichardson | +1 | 22:12 |
| MootBot | +1 received from DougieRichardson. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:12 |
| cprofitt | Last call for votes | 22:12 |
| cprofitt | anyone need more time? | 22:12 |
| cprofitt | [ENDVOTE] | 22:13 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5 | 22:13 |
| cprofitt | [AGREED] Change the mission statement to - The project is focused on building and maintaining an interactive learning environment(s) to support all aspects of the Ubuntu Ecosystem | 22:13 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Change the mission statement to - The project is focused on building and maintaining an interactive learning environment(s) to support all aspects of the Ubuntu Ecosystem | 22:13 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Goals: We need to evaluate the goals of the whole project and draw up immediate goals, short term goals and long term goals. | 22:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Goals: We need to evaluate the goals of the whole project and draw up immediate goals, short term goals and long term goals. | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | tall order :) | 22:14 |
| Vantrax | very tall | 22:14 |
| cprofitt | It is a tall order... | 22:14 |
| nhandler | One short term goal would be to get approved by the CC | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | short term: contact teams, get moodle running | 22:14 |
| cprofitt | and one I do not think we can full flesh out here, but I would like to build consensus on that we need to evaluate... | 22:14 |
| Vantrax | my suggestion is to create concrete short term goals and become more general for the medium and long term | 22:14 |
| doctormo | Gah my stupid computer crashed, I need the logs! | 22:14 |
| thewrath | +1 Vantrax | 22:14 |
| Vantrax | Mid term goal is to create the 4 programs for stage 1 | 22:15 |
| cprofitt | I agree with immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool | 22:15 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: +1 | 22:15 |
| cprofitt | I do not think we need to vote that they need to be fleshed out... | 22:15 |
| Vantrax | time frame would ideally be for 10.4 | 22:15 |
| thewrath | that would be a good time period | 22:15 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax can you build a page on the wiki for goals... | 22:16 |
| Vantrax | problem will be work volume unless we have more contributors | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | it also depends on portions of the project | 22:16 |
| Vantrax | ill start one | 22:16 |
| yvan300 | Vantrax: i'll help u | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | the -classroom portion will still be recruiting folks to do IRC sessions | 22:16 |
| cprofitt | [ACTION] Vantrax to start wiki page for goals - immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool | 22:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Vantrax to start wiki page for goals - immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool | 22:16 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: Design should focus on leveraing the community and community growth. | 22:17 |
| cprofitt | +1 pleia2 | 22:17 |
| thewrath | I can help with doing some IRC sessions that should not be an issue | 22:17 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: maybe we move on from this topic and let the wiki speak for itself? | 22:17 |
| cprofitt | yes | 22:17 |
| cprofitt | lets use the wiki as a draft page... and everyone can contribute their thoughts | 22:17 |
| doctormo | hang on, does the wiki still say that we're here to serve the -classrooms irc lessons? | 22:18 |
| yvan300 | +1 cprofitt | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: -classroom is a sub-project of Ubuntu Learning | 22:18 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, no... IRC -classroom is part of our overall project... | 22:18 |
| thewrath | doctormo: do you mean like how the wording is that we server only the classroom lessons? | 22:18 |
| doctormo | pleia2: Do we have a list of sub-projects? | 22:18 |
| cprofitt | some people who come on-board will use IRC | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: official list? I don't think so | 22:18 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: they should be added to the LP | 22:19 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, we do not have such a list yet... | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | but so far, -classroom, beginners team education focus group | 22:19 |
| doctormo | It would be good to have a list, I'm not in the IRC classrooms sub-project or it's agenda. | 22:19 |
| thewrath | cprofitt & pleia2: would it be a good idea to list our sub projects on the wiki | 22:19 |
| cprofitt | ready to move to the next topic? | 22:19 |
| pleia2 | yep | 22:19 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, thewrath we will have a list of teams we are working with... | 22:19 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Structure: Since this team is combining the efforts of several different teams I think a board should be setup for the leadership structure. There has been no discussion on this, but I think it is critical for continued teamwork and project cohesion | 22:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Structure: Since this team is combining the efforts of several different teams I think a board should be setup for the leadership structure. There has been no discussion on this, but I think it is critical for continued teamwork and project cohesion | 22:20 |
| Vantrax | pleia2: can you add a affiliates part to the wiki page? | 22:20 |
| Vantrax | +1 cprofitt | 22:20 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: yeah, I can do that | 22:20 |
| cprofitt | While I do not like formal structure to building teams... and community efforts... | 22:21 |
| thewrath | i think the committe should have a member or two members from all teams concerned | 22:21 |
| cprofitt | with the fact that we are going to work with so many different teams I think we would be best served to do so | 22:21 |
| cprofitt | thewrath, that is a good idea until we have numerous teams... | 22:21 |
| cprofitt | I would like to suggest something akin to the BT structure, but I am open to suggestions | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | yeah, there are far too many teams for that to be feasible | 22:22 |
| DougieRichardson | not familiar with the BT structure, link? | 22:22 |
| Vantrax | cprofitt: my suggestion would be to have a 5 person project board | 22:22 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: I'm not familiar with the BT structure, can you explain? | 22:22 |
| nhandler | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure | 22:22 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure | 22:22 |
| cprofitt | thanks nhandler | 22:22 |
| Vantrax | BT has bodhi as a perm board member, an the others are elected | 22:22 |
| cprofitt | The structure I am looking at is the Jedi Council on that page... | 22:23 |
| doctormo | It's < 12 > 3 != 8, optimal team sizes of any kind. | 22:23 |
| cprofitt | and the BDFL = Bodhi | 22:23 |
| DougieRichardson | Anything not written from a Star Wars POV ;-) | 22:23 |
| Vantrax | lol | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | yes, less dorky please | 22:23 |
| * pleia2 grins | 22:23 | |
| thewrath | i agree sometihgn simialr to the BT jedia council structure i think would be feasible | 22:23 |
| Vantrax | UFBT = NERDS:P | 22:23 |
| cprofitt | We do not need the starwars references | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | I don't think we should have any perm board members | 22:24 |
| doctormo | I know, next we'll be doing Star Trek federation councils | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | but otherwise it seems fine :) | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: lol | 22:24 |
| cprofitt | I am thinking one 'head' position and a council of four perhaps... | 22:24 |
| Vantrax | that sounds good | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | why? | 22:24 |
| thewrath | pleia2: agreed. members should be voted on | 22:24 |
| cprofitt | not sure of anyone's size thoughts | 22:24 |
| nhandler | With cprofitt = head | 22:24 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: -1, I don't think we need a head yet, none of us are yet in focus of the shared directives. | 22:24 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: +1 | 22:24 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, I agree with waiting on the head... | 22:25 |
| Vantrax | doctormo: that is also a reason for a head, to give direction | 22:25 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: I think the "council" should have different people who have experience in the different areas/teams we are working with | 22:25 |
| DougieRichardson | There are only 19 people in ubuntu-learning, how many people are you envisaging in this venture and should it be this centrally controlled | 22:25 |
| cprofitt | but I think there is a reason for one as we move forward | 22:25 |
| thewrath | doctormo: +1 | 22:25 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: In this case, direction is an amalgamation of overlapping priorities, not something that isn't defined. | 22:25 |
| cprofitt | DougieRichardson, I envision many in the future... and many of those will also join the projects aligned with out efforts | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | right, so the "direction" of the project isn't always going to be best-served by a single leader | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | we come from lots of places and presumably all the board members will have different priorities (this will be healthy) | 22:26 |
| cprofitt | I was not looking at the head being an overlord | 22:26 |
| cprofitt | but a 'lead contact' | 22:26 |
| cprofitt | and tie-breaker | 22:26 |
| thewrath | cprofitt: +1 | 22:26 |
| cprofitt | if we have no 'head' then we need 3 or 5 member board... | 22:26 |
| thewrath | i like that idea. that should be what it is and not a lord | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | I'm unconvinced | 22:26 |
| doctormo | A lead will be useful when we have someone who has joined from no other groups, who has contributed a great deal and is focused on the directives that form out of us as a group. | 22:27 |
| Vantrax | this is, and should always remain a colaberative process | 22:27 |
| doctormo | Then we can have a head. | 22:27 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, pleia2 do we need a lead contact? | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: I don't think so | 22:28 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, pleia2 do we need an odd number on the board? | 22:28 |
| doctormo | Yes | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | yes, odd number | 22:28 |
| cprofitt | 3 or 5? | 22:28 |
| nhandler | I think an odd number is good to have for votes | 22:28 |
| pleia2 | 5 | 22:28 |
| nhandler | 5 imo | 22:28 |
| doctormo | 5 | 22:28 |
| thewrath | if no dead def an odd number on the board | 22:28 |
| thewrath | 5 sounds good | 22:28 |
| thewrath | *lead not dead | 22:28 |
| cprofitt | ok... lets vote on that | 22:28 |
| cprofitt | [VOTE] Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board | 22:29 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board. | 22:29 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 22:29 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:29 |
| Vantrax | +1 | 22:29 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from Vantrax. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:29 |
| thewrath | +1 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from thewrath. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:29 |
| nhandler | +1 | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:29 |
| doctormo | +1 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | +1 received from doctormo. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 22:29 |
| DougieRichardson | +0 | 22:29 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from DougieRichardson. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 | 22:29 |
| cprofitt | [ENDVOTE] | 22:30 |
| MootBot | Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 6 | 22:30 |
| cprofitt | [AGREED] Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board | 22:30 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board | 22:30 |
| Vantrax | i would recommend the initial board be cp, bodhi, pleia, dr mo, and myself. | 22:30 |
| cprofitt | Should we vote for the board members? | 22:30 |
| cprofitt | not now... but next meeting | 22:31 |
| thewrath | i think we should have a proposal of how is interested and why they should be on the board | 22:31 |
| Vantrax | yes, next meeting i would say | 22:31 |
| thewrath | liek the fg leads in bt cprofitt ? | 22:31 |
| cprofitt | ok.... | 22:31 |
| thewrath | *without the question mark | 22:31 |
| cprofitt | then I will create a page and people interested in being on the board can add their name, etc? | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: +1 | 22:31 |
| cprofitt | so we know who is interested | 22:31 |
| cprofitt | [ACTION] cprofitt will make wiki page for board candidates | 22:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: cprofitt will make wiki page for board candidates | 22:32 |
| Vantrax | please do cp, link it the agenda | 22:32 |
| yvan300 | cprofitt: +1 great idea | 22:32 |
| doctormo | I gotta get me a MootBot | 22:32 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Meetings: Determine a 'best' time schedule for meetings. | 22:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Meetings: Determine a 'best' time schedule for meetings. | 22:32 |
| cprofitt | Can everyone post their time zone | 22:32 |
| nhandler | I think we should consider using Doodle to schedule meetings | 22:32 |
| Vantrax | GMT+10 | 22:32 |
| nhandler | [LINK] http://www.doodle.com/ | 22:32 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://www.doodle.com/ | 22:32 |
| cprofitt | EDT (GMT-4) | 22:32 |
| yvan300 | cprofitt: most of us live in the western hemisphere | 22:32 |
| nhandler | UTC-5 | 22:32 |
| pleia2 | EDT (GMT-4) | 22:33 |
| DougieRichardson | UTC+1 | 22:33 |
| thewrath | UTC -5 | 22:33 |
| yvan300 | let me find out | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | thewrath: you're in my state, you're -4 :) | 22:33 |
| thewrath | pleia2: ty | 22:33 |
| cprofitt | yeah... its UTC-5 when we are EST | 22:33 |
| cprofitt | we are EDT now... GMT-4 | 22:33 |
| thewrath | pleia2: now its -4 seveal months from now its -5 | 22:33 |
| doctormo | is doodle foss? | 22:33 |
| pleia2 | thewrath: you are mistaken | 22:34 |
| nhandler | doctormo: I don't know, but we use it for other teams. It is an online tool (no registration needed) | 22:34 |
| cprofitt | nhandler, what does doodle do for scheduling? | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | oh yes, I used doodle just recently | 22:34 |
| doctormo | nhandler: would be nice if this sort of thing was a druple/django module of some sort. bug beggars can't be choosers. | 22:34 |
| yvan300 | i'm the same as thewrath | 22:34 |
| Vantrax | why not use gcal? | 22:35 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: You create a table listing possible dates and times. Users can then mark which dates/times work for them. It then displays the results in a nice table | 22:35 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, what time zone are you? | 22:35 |
| cprofitt | ah... I found it back a ways | 22:35 |
| cprofitt | GMT+10 | 22:35 |
| nhandler | Vantrax: gcal is only good for displaying the final meeting time, not choosing one | 22:35 |
| Vantrax | ^ GMT +10 | 22:35 |
| pleia2 | doodle example: http://doodle.com/fquzy498htwcv5ny | 22:35 |
| cprofitt | does doodle adjust for local times? | 22:36 |
| cprofitt | or is it set to one time? | 22:36 |
| nhandler | Yes cprofitt | 22:36 |
| nhandler | Each user can specify their time zone to have the possible times adjusted | 22:36 |
| cprofitt | nhandler, do you want to set one up for us then? | 22:36 |
| nhandler | cprofitt: Sure | 22:36 |
| cprofitt | thanks | 22:36 |
| nhandler | We are only interested in choosing a time, right? Not a date? | 22:37 |
| cprofitt | I would like to pick a 'day' and time | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | well, I'd like to see a weekend vs weekday option | 22:37 |
| cprofitt | and we need to decide if weekends / weekdays are good. | 22:37 |
| DougieRichardson | If everyone shows a typical week's availabilty we get a better guess at a time | 22:37 |
| pleia2 | DougieRichardson: +1 | 22:37 |
| cprofitt | I am thinking we need to meet every other week right now... | 22:37 |
| cprofitt | +1 DougieRichardson | 22:38 |
| cprofitt | what about frequency folks? | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: every 2 weeks for now | 22:38 |
| Vantrax | fortnightly | 22:38 |
| doctormo | I'm available all times that the jobless usually are (except 00:00 to 07:00 EST, sleep) | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | we can adjust as needed | 22:38 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: bah, sleep :) | 22:38 |
| nhandler | Ok, I'll setup the Doodle so we can choose a day of week and time | 22:38 |
| cprofitt | [AGREED] meetings every other week | 22:38 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: meetings every other week | 22:38 |
| cprofitt | thanks nhandler | 22:40 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Rationale: We need to document what the rationale is for forming a new 'team' or creating a 'project' for review by the Community Council | 22:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Rationale: We need to document what the rationale is for forming a new 'team' or creating a 'project' for review by the Community Council | 22:40 |
| cprofitt | This was a request from bodhi | 22:40 |
| cprofitt | and I agree we need this to be a more comprehensive document in the end | 22:40 |
| yvan300 | cprofitt: can you explain the topic more | 22:40 |
| pleia2 | cprofitt: should we just add our thoughts to the rationale page? | 22:41 |
| cprofitt | bodhi wants to present the project to the Community Council on June 2nd | 22:41 |
| cprofitt | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale | 22:41 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale | 22:41 |
| cprofitt | Yes, please everyone add your thoughts on that page | 22:41 |
| cprofitt | We will want to have a complete 'charter' or 'specification' in the end | 22:42 |
| cprofitt | but bodhi wants us to have the rationale by June 2nd | 22:42 |
| pleia2 | we will have another meeting before then | 22:42 |
| cprofitt | From the individual notes I will try to craft a draft... and we can vote on it next time | 22:42 |
| * pleia2 nods | 22:42 | |
| DougieRichardson | It needs to follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec | 22:43 |
| cprofitt | by they way anyone who wears a fancy hat (Martin) gets bonus points for his ideas | 22:43 |
| cprofitt | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec | 22:43 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec | 22:43 |
| * cprofitt smiles | 22:43 | |
| DougieRichardson | The rationale is one part but the usage cases are the most important thing, IME | 22:43 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: If it needs it, we should create a slight tree rationale where items that veer slightly are given their own sub-projects. | 22:44 |
| cprofitt | sounds good... | 22:44 |
| thewrath | doctormo: +1 | 22:44 |
| DougieRichardson | If the usage cases are clear, other projects will grasp the advatage of the project quicker | 22:44 |
| cprofitt | everyone ok with process? | 22:44 |
| pleia2 | yep | 22:45 |
| doctormo | From a very quick analsys we may end up with learning vectors as sub-projects. irc, locos, forums etc etc | 22:45 |
| cprofitt | [TOPIC] Review of announcement to Planet, and a call for input on program content. (Vantrax) | 22:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review of announcement to Planet, and a call for input on program content. (Vantrax) | 22:45 |
| Vantrax | everyone read the post im going to be putting up? | 22:46 |
| nhandler | No, link? | 22:46 |
| Vantrax | its in the agenda | 22:46 |
| nhandler | Ah | 22:46 |
| Vantrax | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda | 22:46 |
| cprofitt | My personal thought upon quick read of the announcement is that we need to rework it given the mission statement change. | 22:46 |
| Vantrax | yep, i will update that bit | 22:46 |
| DougieRichardson | When are you thinking of releasing this? | 22:46 |
| cprofitt | The intention part of it reflects the original mission Vantrax posted, but not the new one. | 22:46 |
| doctormo | Should those goals be meeting actions? | 22:46 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: I mentioned it before, but we want to be very careful about our use of the word "training" - perhaps to the extent of not using it *at all* in our documentation | 22:47 |
| cprofitt | I am also thinking we may want to wait until we have the rationale done and after the CC meeting; but unsure of the process potential projects take | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | unless it's very specifically targeted :) | 22:47 |
| Vantrax | yeah, that is a point, but we are doing training, and its hard not to mention it | 22:47 |
| pleia2 | we're "learning" and "education" | 22:47 |
| doctormo | pleia2: And for money, i.e. libal | 22:47 |
| cprofitt | I also think that the initial goal has to be expanded to include the idea of enabling teams to use Moodle to improve their existing training options | 22:48 |
| DougieRichardson | cprofitt: We should wait until the CC meeting. | 22:48 |
| thewrath | instead of training why not use educating and teaching? | 22:48 |
| Vantrax | cprofitt: this int a potential project, it has been approved by canonical. The CC meeting is more an annoucement. | 22:48 |
| doctormo | cprofitt: Teaching the tools and skills of teaching will be section 0, | 22:48 |
| Vantrax | an explanation of what we are doing if you will | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: s/We want to take users and turn them into contributing members of the community./We want to take users and turn them into contributing members of the community and expert users of Ubuntu. | 22:48 |
| pleia2 | or somesuch | 22:48 |
| thewrath | pleia2: +1 | 22:48 |
| doctormo | pleia2: +1, much more balanced :-) | 22:49 |
| cprofitt | We may have four tracks we all want to see, but the overall part of this project is 'improving' the educations efforts | 22:49 |
| Vantrax | sounds good | 22:49 |
| doctormo | and expert users, maintainers and advocates of Ubuntu | 22:49 |
| pleia2 | doctormo: +1 | 22:50 |
| cprofitt | DougieRichardson, I agree we should wait until after the CC | 22:50 |
| doctormo | Perhaps we should be less concerned about the topics in the description? | 22:50 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, despite Canonical approval this is a community project | 22:50 |
| doctormo | I mean, mentioning Ubuntu yes, but the aim is teaching and equiping teachers, no? | 22:50 |
| cprofitt | and needs approval from the community | 22:50 |
| Vantrax | the aim is to create a self sustaining education system in the end | 22:51 |
| doctormo | A school? | 22:51 |
| doctormo | A university? | 22:51 |
| pleia2 | which includes teaching teachers, developing materials, coordinating sessions | 22:51 |
| pleia2 | advertising | 22:51 |
| DougieRichardson | vantrax:it doesn't work like that. Canonical != Ubuntu | 22:51 |
| cprofitt | [VOTE] Wait on announcement until after CC meeting | 22:51 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Wait on announcement until after CC meeting. | 22:51 |
| MootBot | Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot | 22:51 |
| MootBot | E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting | 22:51 |
| cprofitt | +1 | 22:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 22:51 |
| DougieRichardson | +1 | 22:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from DougieRichardson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:51 |
| nhandler | +0 | 22:51 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 22:51 |
| thewrath | +1 | 22:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from thewrath. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 22:51 |
| doctormo | +1 | 22:51 |
| MootBot | +1 received from doctormo. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 22:51 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 22:52 |
| MootBot | +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:52 |
| Vantrax | DougieRichardson: Jono Bacon = community manager? he already said go for it | 22:52 |
| Vantrax | +0 | 22:52 |
| MootBot | Abstention received from Vantrax. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 22:52 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: the community is more than jono | 22:52 |
| Vantrax | no argument there | 22:52 |
| cprofitt | [ENDVOTE] | 22:52 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 5 | 22:52 |
| doctormo | Vantrax: he's more like the bridge from canonical to ubuntu with a bit of organisational flair. | 22:52 |
| cprofitt | [AGREED] Announcement will wait until after the CC meeting | 22:53 |
| MootBot | AGREED received: Announcement will wait until after the CC meeting | 22:53 |
| DougieRichardson | vantrax: if we go to a CC meeting proclaiming an announcement, it will be rejected. | 22:53 |
| thewrath | i agree with DougieRichardson after they have given us approval then announcement | 22:53 |
| cprofitt | thank you doctormo DougieRichardson and pleia2 for your advice in regards to the CC | 22:53 |
| Vantrax | fair enough:P | 22:53 |
| cprofitt | I respect you all and greatly appreciate the advice | 22:53 |
| Vantrax | <- is playing devils advocate tonight | 22:54 |
| cprofitt | Vantrax, will your reword the announcement and put it on a draft page? | 22:54 |
| Vantrax | sure | 22:54 |
| pleia2 | Vantrax: someone has to :) cheers | 22:54 |
| cprofitt | thanks. | 22:54 |
| Vantrax | ill link it into the agenda for the next meeting | 22:54 |
| cprofitt | Anyone have any non-agenda items? | 22:54 |
| doctormo | Decent will be tollerated with a pillowed fist! | 22:54 |
| Vantrax | lol | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | Dissent ? | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | or Decent? | 22:55 |
| * cprofitt ponders | 22:55 | |
| doctormo | cprofitt: yea, creative dislexia | 22:55 |
| Vantrax | eww | 22:55 |
| doctormo | sorry | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | doctormo, all forgiven with your hat | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | [ENDMEETING] | 22:55 |
| nhandler | #endmeeting | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | #ENDMEETING | 22:55 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 16:55. | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | thanks everyone... | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | very productive... | 22:55 |
| cprofitt | I appreciate all the fantastic work everyone has put in. | 22:56 |
| doctormo | So the mode of the learning team is "under construction" until the announcement | 22:56 |
| Vantrax | more or less | 22:56 |
| thewrath | i would defatinatly would like to help out with anything i can | 22:56 |
| DougieRichardson | Out of interest, how many are here from other interested teams? | 22:57 |
| thewrath | i think this group will succceed and hoping that maybe ubuntu can be taught in high schools or colleges around thw rold | 22:57 |
| nhandler | o/ | 22:57 |
| thewrath | yes nhandler ? | 22:57 |
| pleia2 | DougieRichardson: bugsquad is interested but they aren't here, motu school is already doing classes in -classroom | 22:58 |
| doctormo | DougieRichardson: I'm from the LoCo interest, I focus on physical classroom events with local none ubuntu using public. | 22:58 |
| nhandler | thewrath: I'm just saying that I am with motu ;) | 22:58 |
| thewrath | ah | 22:58 |
| thewrath | sorry nhandler misunderstood what you were saying | 22:58 |
| doctormo | shall we move this lack to #ubuntu-learning? | 22:59 |
| thewrath | yea | 22:59 |
| thewrath | lol | 22:59 |
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