[06:15] <VK7HSE> elky: Are you about ???
[06:18] <VK7HSE> Oops wrong IRC ;-)
[22:05] <cprofitt> #startmeeting
[22:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 16:05. The chair is cprofitt.
[22:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[22:05] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Mission Statement
[22:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mission Statement
[22:06] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[22:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[22:06] <doctormo> Here
[22:06] <cprofitt> Hello all...
[22:06]  * pleia2 waves
[22:06] <cprofitt> Thanks for making it to the Ubuntu-Learning meeting
[22:07] <Vantrax> Thanks cp
[22:07] <cprofitt> Before we begin our first topic I would like to let everyone know that we need to prepare a 'rationale' for the CC (Community Council) meeting on June 2nd
[22:08] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[22:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[22:08] <cprofitt> We will use some of the topics today to help generate that
[22:08] <DougieRichardson> Should this not be a specification?
[22:08] <cprofitt> and we will discuss that later in the meeting... but I wanted you all to see that page.
[22:08] <DougieRichardson> OK
[22:08] <Vantrax> It will be part of the specification yes
[22:08] <cprofitt> DougieRichardson, I have seen that used as well...
[22:09] <doctormo> Should I add my rationale to the page, or here?
[22:09] <cprofitt> now.... for the first topic...
[22:09] <Vantrax> to that page doctormo
[22:09] <cprofitt> Mission Statement
[22:10] <cprofitt> opens the floor up to any suggestions
[22:10] <Vantrax> I agree with the change proposed, basically swapping out the first line of the existing project outline with that one
[22:10] <pleia2> I like the suggestion given on the wiki page
[22:10] <Vantrax> is that the correct understanding?
[22:10] <cprofitt> yes, that is the idea Vantrax
[22:10] <cprofitt> unless others want to suggest some more 'changes' to the word smithing
[22:11] <cprofitt> if there are no other comments we can vote on the proposed change...
[22:11] <Vantrax> I think you guys did a great job with it
[22:11] <cprofitt> [VOTE] Accept the proposed change to the mission statement (on the agenda)
[22:11] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Accept the proposed change to the mission statement (on the agenda).
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[22:11] <cprofitt> +1
[22:11] <MootBot> +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:12] <thewrath> +1
[22:12] <MootBot> +1 received from thewrath. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:12] <nhandler> 0
[22:12] <nhandler> +0
[22:12] <MootBot> Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:12] <pleia2> +1
[22:12] <Vantrax> +1
[22:12] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:12] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:12] <DougieRichardson> +1
[22:12] <MootBot> +1 received from DougieRichardson. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:12] <cprofitt> Last call for votes
[22:12] <cprofitt> anyone need more time?
[22:13] <cprofitt> [ENDVOTE]
[22:13] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[22:13] <cprofitt> [AGREED] Change the mission statement to - The project is focused on building and maintaining an interactive learning environment(s) to support all aspects of the Ubuntu Ecosystem
[22:13] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Change the mission statement to - The project is focused on building and maintaining an interactive learning environment(s) to support all aspects of the Ubuntu Ecosystem
[22:13] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Goals: We need to evaluate the goals of the whole project and draw up immediate goals, short term goals and long term goals.
[22:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Goals: We need to evaluate the goals of the whole project and draw up immediate goals, short term goals and long term goals.
[22:14] <pleia2> tall order :)
[22:14] <Vantrax> very tall
[22:14] <cprofitt> It is a tall order...
[22:14] <nhandler> One short term goal would be to get approved by the CC
[22:14] <pleia2> short term: contact teams, get moodle running
[22:14] <cprofitt> and one I do not think we can full flesh out here, but I would like to build consensus on that we need to evaluate...
[22:14] <Vantrax> my suggestion is to create concrete short term goals and become more general for the medium and long term
[22:14] <doctormo> Gah my stupid computer crashed, I need the logs!
[22:14] <thewrath> +1 Vantrax
[22:15] <Vantrax> Mid term goal is to create the 4 programs for stage 1
[22:15] <cprofitt> I agree with immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool
[22:15] <doctormo> cprofitt: +1
[22:15] <cprofitt> I do not think we need to vote that they need to be fleshed out...
[22:15] <Vantrax> time frame would ideally be for 10.4
[22:15] <thewrath> that would be a good time period
[22:16] <cprofitt> Vantrax can you build a page on the wiki for goals...
[22:16] <Vantrax> problem will be work volume unless we have more contributors
[22:16] <pleia2> it also depends on portions of the project
[22:16] <Vantrax> ill start one
[22:16] <yvan300> Vantrax: i'll help u
[22:16] <pleia2> the -classroom portion will still be recruiting folks to do IRC sessions
[22:16] <cprofitt> [ACTION] Vantrax to start wiki page for goals - immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool
[22:16] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Vantrax to start wiki page for goals - immediate, short term, medium term, long range pool
[22:17] <doctormo> Vantrax: Design should focus on leveraing the community and community growth.
[22:17] <cprofitt> +1 pleia2
[22:17] <thewrath> I can help with doing some IRC sessions that should not be an issue
[22:17] <pleia2> cprofitt: maybe we move on from this topic and let the wiki speak for itself?
[22:17] <cprofitt> yes
[22:17] <cprofitt> lets use the wiki as a draft page... and everyone can contribute their thoughts
[22:18] <doctormo> hang on, does the wiki still say that we're here to serve the -classrooms irc lessons?
[22:18] <yvan300> +1 cprofitt
[22:18] <pleia2> doctormo: -classroom is a sub-project of Ubuntu Learning
[22:18] <cprofitt> doctormo, no... IRC -classroom is part of our overall project...
[22:18] <thewrath> doctormo: do you mean like how the wording is that we server only the classroom lessons?
[22:18] <doctormo> pleia2: Do we have a list of sub-projects?
[22:18] <cprofitt> some people who come on-board will use IRC
[22:18] <pleia2> doctormo: official list? I don't think so
[22:19] <Vantrax> doctormo: they should be added to the LP
[22:19] <cprofitt> doctormo, we do not have such a list yet...
[22:19] <pleia2> but so far, -classroom, beginners team education focus group
[22:19] <doctormo> It would be good to have a list, I'm not in the IRC classrooms sub-project or it's agenda.
[22:19] <thewrath> cprofitt & pleia2: would it be a good idea to list our sub projects on the wiki
[22:19] <cprofitt> ready to move to the next topic?
[22:19] <pleia2> yep
[22:19] <cprofitt> doctormo, thewrath we will have a list of teams we are working with...
[22:20] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Structure: Since this team is combining the efforts of several different teams I think a board should be setup for the leadership structure. There has been no discussion on this, but I think it is critical for continued teamwork and project cohesion
[22:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Structure: Since this team is combining the efforts of several different teams I think a board should be setup for the leadership structure. There has been no discussion on this, but I think it is critical for continued teamwork and project cohesion
[22:20] <Vantrax> pleia2: can you add a affiliates part to the wiki page?
[22:20] <Vantrax> +1 cprofitt
[22:20] <pleia2> Vantrax: yeah, I can do that
[22:21] <cprofitt> While I do not like formal  structure to building teams... and community efforts...
[22:21] <thewrath> i think the committe should have a member or two members from all teams concerned
[22:21] <cprofitt> with the fact that we are going to work with so many different teams I think we would be best served to do so
[22:21] <cprofitt> thewrath, that is a good idea until we have numerous teams...
[22:22] <cprofitt> I would like to suggest something akin to the BT structure, but I am open to suggestions
[22:22] <pleia2> yeah, there are far too many teams for that to be feasible
[22:22] <DougieRichardson> not familiar with the BT structure, link?
[22:22] <Vantrax> cprofitt: my suggestion would be to have a 5 person project board
[22:22] <pleia2> cprofitt: I'm not familiar with the BT structure, can you explain?
[22:22] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure
[22:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Structure
[22:22] <cprofitt> thanks nhandler
[22:22] <Vantrax> BT has bodhi as a perm board member, an the others are elected
[22:23] <cprofitt> The structure I am looking at is the Jedi Council on that page...
[22:23] <doctormo> It's < 12 > 3 != 8, optimal team sizes of any kind.
[22:23] <cprofitt> and the BDFL = Bodhi
[22:23] <DougieRichardson> Anything not written from a Star Wars POV ;-)
[22:23] <Vantrax> lol
[22:23] <pleia2> yes, less dorky please
[22:23]  * pleia2 grins
[22:23] <thewrath> i agree sometihgn simialr to the BT jedia council structure i think would be feasible
[22:23] <Vantrax> UFBT = NERDS:P
[22:23] <cprofitt> We do not need the starwars references
[22:24] <pleia2> I don't think we should have any perm board members
[22:24] <doctormo> I know, next we'll be doing Star Trek federation councils
[22:24] <pleia2> but otherwise it seems fine :)
[22:24] <pleia2> doctormo: lol
[22:24] <cprofitt> I am thinking one 'head' position and a council of four perhaps...
[22:24] <Vantrax> that sounds good
[22:24] <pleia2> why?
[22:24] <thewrath> pleia2: agreed. members should be voted on
[22:24] <cprofitt> not sure of anyone's size thoughts
[22:24] <nhandler> With cprofitt = head
[22:24] <doctormo> cprofitt: -1, I don't think we need a head yet, none of us are yet in focus of the shared directives.
[22:24] <pleia2> doctormo: +1
[22:25] <cprofitt> doctormo, I agree with waiting on the head...
[22:25] <Vantrax> doctormo: that is also a reason for a head, to give direction
[22:25] <nhandler> cprofitt: I think the "council" should have different people who have experience in the different areas/teams we are working with
[22:25] <DougieRichardson> There are only 19 people in ubuntu-learning, how many people are you envisaging in this venture and should it be this centrally controlled
[22:25] <cprofitt> but I think there is a reason for one as we move forward
[22:25] <thewrath> doctormo:  +1
[22:25] <doctormo> Vantrax: In this case, direction is an amalgamation of overlapping priorities, not something that isn't defined.
[22:25] <cprofitt> DougieRichardson, I envision many in the future... and many of those will also join the projects aligned with out efforts
[22:26] <pleia2> right, so the "direction" of the project isn't always going to be best-served by a single leader
[22:26] <pleia2> we come from lots of places and presumably all the board members will have different priorities (this will be healthy)
[22:26] <cprofitt> I was not looking at the head being an overlord
[22:26] <cprofitt> but a 'lead contact'
[22:26] <cprofitt> and tie-breaker
[22:26] <thewrath> cprofitt: +1
[22:26] <cprofitt> if we have no 'head' then we need 3 or 5 member board...
[22:26] <thewrath> i like that idea. that should be what it is and not a lord
[22:26] <pleia2> I'm unconvinced
[22:27] <doctormo> A lead will be useful when we have someone who has joined from no other groups, who has contributed a great deal and is focused on the directives that form out of us as a group.
[22:27] <Vantrax> this is, and should always remain a colaberative process
[22:27] <doctormo> Then we can have a head.
[22:28] <cprofitt> doctormo, pleia2 do we need a lead contact?
[22:28] <pleia2> cprofitt: I don't think so
[22:28] <cprofitt> doctormo, pleia2 do we need an odd number on the board?
[22:28] <doctormo> Yes
[22:28] <pleia2> yes, odd number
[22:28] <cprofitt> 3 or 5?
[22:28] <nhandler> I think an odd number is good to have for votes
[22:28] <pleia2> 5
[22:28] <nhandler> 5 imo
[22:28] <doctormo> 5
[22:28] <thewrath> if no dead def an odd number on the board
[22:28] <thewrath> 5 sounds good
[22:28] <thewrath> *lead not dead
[22:28] <cprofitt> ok... lets vote on that
[22:29] <cprofitt> [VOTE] Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board
[22:29] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board.
[22:29] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[22:29] <Vantrax> +1
[22:29] <cprofitt> +1
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from Vantrax. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:29] <thewrath> +1
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from thewrath. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:29] <nhandler> +1
[22:29] <pleia2> +1
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:29] <doctormo> +1
[22:29] <MootBot> +1 received from doctormo. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6
[22:29] <DougieRichardson> +0
[22:29] <MootBot> Abstention received from DougieRichardson. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
[22:30] <cprofitt> [ENDVOTE]
[22:30] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 6
[22:30] <cprofitt> [AGREED] Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board
[22:30] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Ubuntu-Learning will have a five person board
[22:30] <Vantrax> i would recommend the initial board be cp, bodhi, pleia, dr mo, and myself.
[22:30] <cprofitt> Should we vote for the board members?
[22:31] <cprofitt> not now... but next meeting
[22:31] <thewrath> i think we should have a proposal of how is interested and why they should be on the board
[22:31] <Vantrax> yes, next meeting i would say
[22:31] <thewrath> liek the fg leads in bt cprofitt ?
[22:31] <cprofitt> ok....
[22:31] <thewrath> *without the question mark
[22:31] <cprofitt> then I will create a page and people interested in being on the board can add their name, etc?
[22:31] <pleia2> cprofitt: +1
[22:31] <cprofitt> so we know who is interested
[22:32] <cprofitt> [ACTION] cprofitt will make wiki page for board candidates
[22:32] <MootBot> ACTION received:  cprofitt will make wiki page for board candidates
[22:32] <Vantrax> please do cp, link it the agenda
[22:32] <yvan300> cprofitt: +1 great idea
[22:32] <doctormo> I gotta get me a MootBot
[22:32] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Meetings: Determine a 'best' time schedule for meetings.
[22:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Meetings: Determine a 'best' time schedule for meetings.
[22:32] <cprofitt> Can everyone post their time zone
[22:32] <nhandler> I think we should consider using Doodle to schedule meetings
[22:32] <Vantrax> GMT+10
[22:32] <nhandler> [LINK] http://www.doodle.com/
[22:32] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.doodle.com/
[22:32] <cprofitt> EDT (GMT-4)
[22:32] <yvan300> cprofitt: most of us live in the western hemisphere
[22:32] <nhandler> UTC-5
[22:33] <pleia2> EDT (GMT-4)
[22:33] <DougieRichardson> UTC+1
[22:33] <thewrath> UTC -5
[22:33] <yvan300> let me find out
[22:33] <pleia2> thewrath: you're in my state, you're -4 :)
[22:33] <thewrath> pleia2:  ty
[22:33] <cprofitt> yeah... its UTC-5 when we are EST
[22:33] <cprofitt> we are EDT now... GMT-4
[22:33] <thewrath> pleia2: now its -4 seveal months from now its -5
[22:33] <doctormo> is doodle foss?
[22:34] <pleia2> thewrath: you are mistaken
[22:34] <nhandler> doctormo: I don't know, but we use it for other teams. It is an online tool (no registration needed)
[22:34] <cprofitt> nhandler, what does doodle do for scheduling?
[22:34] <pleia2> oh yes, I used doodle just recently
[22:34] <doctormo> nhandler: would be nice if this sort of thing was a druple/django module of some sort. bug beggars can't be choosers.
[22:34] <yvan300> i'm the same as thewrath
[22:35] <Vantrax> why not use gcal?
[22:35] <nhandler> cprofitt: You create a table listing possible dates and times. Users can then mark which dates/times work for them. It then displays the results in a nice table
[22:35] <cprofitt> Vantrax, what time zone are you?
[22:35] <cprofitt> ah... I found it back a ways
[22:35] <cprofitt> GMT+10
[22:35] <nhandler> Vantrax: gcal is only good for displaying the final meeting time, not choosing one
[22:35] <Vantrax> ^ GMT +10
[22:35] <pleia2> doodle example: http://doodle.com/fquzy498htwcv5ny
[22:36] <cprofitt> does doodle adjust for local times?
[22:36] <cprofitt> or is it set to one time?
[22:36] <nhandler> Yes cprofitt
[22:36] <nhandler> Each user can specify their time zone to have the possible times adjusted
[22:36] <cprofitt> nhandler, do you want to set one up for us then?
[22:36] <nhandler> cprofitt: Sure
[22:36] <cprofitt> thanks
[22:37] <nhandler> We are only interested in choosing a time, right? Not a date?
[22:37] <cprofitt> I would like to pick a 'day' and time
[22:37] <pleia2> well, I'd like to see a weekend vs weekday option
[22:37] <cprofitt> and we need to decide if weekends / weekdays are good.
[22:37] <DougieRichardson> If everyone shows a typical week's availabilty we get a better guess at a time
[22:37] <pleia2> DougieRichardson: +1
[22:37] <cprofitt> I am thinking we need to meet every other week right now...
[22:38] <cprofitt> +1 DougieRichardson
[22:38] <cprofitt> what about frequency folks?
[22:38] <pleia2> cprofitt: every 2 weeks for now
[22:38] <Vantrax> fortnightly
[22:38] <doctormo> I'm available all times that the jobless usually are (except 00:00 to 07:00 EST, sleep)
[22:38] <pleia2> we can adjust as needed
[22:38] <pleia2> doctormo: bah, sleep :)
[22:38] <nhandler> Ok, I'll setup the Doodle so we can choose a day of week and time
[22:38] <cprofitt> [AGREED] meetings every other week
[22:38] <MootBot> AGREED received:  meetings every other week
[22:40] <cprofitt> thanks nhandler
[22:40] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Rationale: We need to document what the rationale is for forming a new 'team' or creating a 'project' for review by the Community Council
[22:40] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rationale: We need to document what the rationale is for forming a new 'team' or creating a 'project' for review by the Community Council
[22:40] <cprofitt> This was a request from bodhi
[22:40] <cprofitt> and I agree we need this to be a more comprehensive document in the end
[22:40] <yvan300> cprofitt: can you explain the topic more
[22:41] <pleia2> cprofitt: should we just add our thoughts to the rationale page?
[22:41] <cprofitt> bodhi wants to present the project to the Community Council on June 2nd
[22:41] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[22:41] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Rationale
[22:41] <cprofitt> Yes, please everyone add your thoughts on that page
[22:42] <cprofitt> We will want to have a complete 'charter' or 'specification' in the end
[22:42] <cprofitt> but bodhi wants us to have the rationale by June 2nd
[22:42] <pleia2> we will have another meeting before then
[22:42] <cprofitt> From the individual notes I will try to craft a draft... and we can vote on it next time
[22:42]  * pleia2 nods
[22:43] <DougieRichardson> It needs to follow this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec
[22:43] <cprofitt> by they way anyone who wears a fancy hat (Martin) gets bonus points for his ideas
[22:43] <cprofitt> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec
[22:43] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpecSpec
[22:43]  * cprofitt smiles
[22:43] <DougieRichardson> The rationale is one part but the usage cases are the most important thing, IME
[22:44] <doctormo> cprofitt: If it needs it, we should create a slight tree rationale where items that veer slightly are given their own sub-projects.
[22:44] <cprofitt> sounds good...
[22:44] <thewrath> doctormo: +1
[22:44] <DougieRichardson> If the usage cases are clear, other projects will grasp the advatage of the project quicker
[22:44] <cprofitt> everyone ok with process?
[22:45] <pleia2> yep
[22:45] <doctormo> From a very quick analsys we may end up with learning vectors as sub-projects. irc, locos, forums etc etc
[22:45] <cprofitt> [TOPIC] Review of announcement to Planet, and a call for input on program content. (Vantrax)
[22:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review of announcement to Planet, and a call for input on program content. (Vantrax)
[22:46] <Vantrax> everyone read the post im going to be putting up?
[22:46] <nhandler> No, link?
[22:46] <Vantrax> its in the agenda
[22:46] <nhandler> Ah
[22:46] <Vantrax> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/Agenda
[22:46] <cprofitt> My personal thought upon quick read of the announcement is that we need to rework it given the mission statement change.
[22:46] <Vantrax> yep, i will update that bit
[22:46] <DougieRichardson> When are you thinking of releasing this?
[22:46] <cprofitt> The intention part of it reflects the original mission Vantrax posted, but not the new one.
[22:46] <doctormo> Should those goals be meeting actions?
[22:47] <pleia2> Vantrax: I mentioned it before, but we want to be very careful about our use of the word "training" - perhaps to the extent of not using it *at all* in our documentation
[22:47] <cprofitt> I am also thinking we may want to wait until we have the rationale done and after the CC meeting; but unsure of the process potential projects take
[22:47] <pleia2> unless it's very specifically targeted :)
[22:47] <Vantrax> yeah, that is a point, but we are doing training, and its hard not to mention it
[22:47] <pleia2> we're "learning" and "education"
[22:47] <doctormo> pleia2: And for money, i.e. libal
[22:48] <cprofitt> I also think that the initial goal has to be expanded to include the idea of enabling teams to use Moodle to improve their existing training options
[22:48] <DougieRichardson> cprofitt: We should wait until the CC meeting.
[22:48] <thewrath> instead of training why not use educating and teaching?
[22:48] <Vantrax> cprofitt: this int a potential project, it has been approved by canonical. The CC meeting is more an annoucement.
[22:48] <doctormo> cprofitt: Teaching the tools and skills of teaching will be section 0,
[22:48] <Vantrax> an explanation of what we are doing if you will
[22:48] <pleia2> Vantrax: s/We want to take users and turn them into contributing members of the community./We want to take users and turn them into contributing members of the community and expert users of Ubuntu.
[22:48] <pleia2> or somesuch
[22:48] <thewrath> pleia2: +1
[22:49] <doctormo> pleia2: +1, much more balanced :-)
[22:49] <cprofitt> We may have four tracks we all want to see, but the overall part of this project is 'improving' the educations efforts
[22:49] <Vantrax> sounds good
[22:49] <doctormo>  and expert users, maintainers and advocates of Ubuntu
[22:50] <pleia2> doctormo: +1
[22:50] <cprofitt> DougieRichardson, I agree we should wait until after the CC
[22:50] <doctormo> Perhaps we should be less concerned about the topics in the description?
[22:50] <cprofitt> Vantrax, despite Canonical approval this is a community project
[22:50] <doctormo> I mean, mentioning Ubuntu yes, but the aim is teaching and equiping teachers, no?
[22:50] <cprofitt> and needs approval from the community
[22:51] <Vantrax> the aim is to create a self sustaining education system in the end
[22:51] <doctormo> A school?
[22:51] <doctormo> A university?
[22:51] <pleia2> which includes teaching teachers, developing materials, coordinating sessions
[22:51] <pleia2> advertising
[22:51] <DougieRichardson> vantrax:it doesn't work like that. Canonical != Ubuntu
[22:51] <cprofitt> [VOTE] Wait on announcement until after CC meeting
[22:51] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Wait on announcement until after CC meeting.
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[22:51] <cprofitt> +1
[22:51] <MootBot> +1 received from cprofitt. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:51] <DougieRichardson> +1
[22:51] <MootBot> +1 received from DougieRichardson. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:51] <nhandler> +0
[22:51] <MootBot> Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:51] <thewrath> +1
[22:51] <MootBot> +1 received from thewrath. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:51] <doctormo> +1
[22:51] <MootBot> +1 received from doctormo. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:52] <pleia2> +1
[22:52] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:52] <Vantrax> DougieRichardson: Jono Bacon = community manager? he already said go for it
[22:52] <Vantrax> +0
[22:52] <MootBot> Abstention received from Vantrax. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:52] <doctormo> Vantrax: the community is more than jono
[22:52] <Vantrax> no argument there
[22:52] <cprofitt> [ENDVOTE]
[22:52] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 2 abstained. Total: 5
[22:52] <doctormo> Vantrax: he's more like the bridge from canonical to ubuntu with a bit of organisational flair.
[22:53] <cprofitt> [AGREED] Announcement will wait until after the CC meeting
[22:53] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Announcement will wait until after the CC meeting
[22:53] <DougieRichardson> vantrax: if we go to a CC meeting proclaiming an announcement, it will be rejected.
[22:53] <thewrath> i agree with DougieRichardson after they have given us approval then announcement
[22:53] <cprofitt> thank you doctormo DougieRichardson and pleia2 for your advice in regards to the CC
[22:53] <Vantrax> fair enough:P
[22:53] <cprofitt> I respect you all and greatly appreciate the advice
[22:54] <Vantrax> <- is playing devils advocate tonight
[22:54] <cprofitt> Vantrax, will your reword the announcement and put it on a draft page?
[22:54] <Vantrax> sure
[22:54] <pleia2> Vantrax: someone has to :) cheers
[22:54] <cprofitt> thanks.
[22:54] <Vantrax> ill link it into the agenda for the next meeting
[22:54] <cprofitt> Anyone have any non-agenda items?
[22:54] <doctormo> Decent will be tollerated with a pillowed fist!
[22:55] <Vantrax> lol
[22:55] <cprofitt> Dissent ?
[22:55] <cprofitt> or Decent?
[22:55]  * cprofitt ponders
[22:55] <doctormo> cprofitt: yea, creative dislexia
[22:55] <Vantrax> eww
[22:55] <doctormo> sorry
[22:55] <cprofitt> doctormo, all forgiven with your hat
[22:55] <cprofitt> [ENDMEETING]
[22:55] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[22:55] <cprofitt> #ENDMEETING
[22:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:55.
[22:55] <cprofitt> thanks everyone...
[22:55] <cprofitt> very productive...
[22:56] <cprofitt> I appreciate all the fantastic work everyone has put in.
[22:56] <doctormo> So the mode of the learning team is "under construction" until the announcement
[22:56] <Vantrax> more or less
[22:56] <thewrath> i would defatinatly would like to help out with anything i can
[22:57] <DougieRichardson> Out of interest, how many are here from other interested teams?
[22:57] <thewrath> i think this group will succceed and hoping that maybe ubuntu can be taught in high schools or colleges around thw rold
[22:57] <nhandler> o/
[22:57] <thewrath> yes nhandler ?
[22:58] <pleia2> DougieRichardson: bugsquad is interested but they aren't here, motu school is already doing classes in -classroom
[22:58] <doctormo> DougieRichardson: I'm from the LoCo interest, I focus on physical classroom events with local none ubuntu using public.
[22:58] <nhandler> thewrath: I'm just saying that I am with motu ;)
[22:58] <thewrath> ah
[22:58] <thewrath> sorry nhandler misunderstood what you were saying
[22:59] <doctormo> shall we move this lack to #ubuntu-learning?
[22:59] <thewrath> yea
[22:59] <thewrath> lol