[00:42] <Seeker`> what si the policy wrt advertising channels?
[00:44]  * Seeker` prods topyli 
[00:44]  * topyli feels the prod
[00:44]  * Seeker` points to his question
[00:45] <topyli> not sure, but i would say it depends on the relevance of the channel
[00:45]  * Seeker` points to Sir whatever in -ot
[00:45] <topyli> if someone advertises a totally random or irrelevant channel, it's not acceptable
[00:47] <topyli> Seeker`: thanks, i missed it totally
[00:47] <Seeker`> I can do something about it if it is against the rules, I just didn't know if it is or not
[00:49] <topyli> oh i don't know if there's a rule. there's a consensus that it's not nice
[00:49] <topyli> personally i only have the no-asshat rule and don't really care about anything else
[00:49] <Seeker`> fair enough :)
[01:12] <Flannel> Seeker`: I'm not sure a ban would be appropriate?
[01:12] <Flannel> remove the bot, ask him about it, etc.  ban on sight was sort of odd
[01:12] <Seeker`> topyli told him that if he brings his bot in to the channel, both he and the bot would be banned
[01:12] <Flannel> Ah
[01:12] <Flannel> Alright then!
[01:13] <Flannel> I feel awkward for what I said.  Wasn't really thinking that he'd be banned as well, heh.
[01:13] <topyli> Flannel: let him know it's not cool, and if he does it, remove
[01:13] <Flannel> that is, his host.
[01:13] <Flannel> topyli: I didn't do it, as I have no -ot access.  Blame Seeker`
[01:14] <topyli> oh i didn't notice, was a way from the channel
[01:15] <topyli> he was warned, he can complain if not happy
[01:16] <Seeker`> I have removed the ban
[01:17] <topyli> Seeker`: aye, that's long enough
[01:22] <LjL> one question, three wrong answers
[01:23] <Seeker`> mmm?
[01:34] <elky> opping doesnt cut through ignore anymore? :(
[01:35] <Seeker`> it used to?
[01:35] <elky> yeah
[01:35] <elky> ignore me now, lets test
[01:35] <elky> you have to let me know
[01:35] <Flannel> How can it if ignore is done on the clientside?
[01:36] <Seeker`> do I have to
[01:36] <Flannel> oh, ignores on the serverside
[01:36] <Seeker`> Flannel can test it
[01:36] <Flannel> I dun wanna ignore you!
[01:36] <elky> Flannel, doing /ignore blah@blah.blah is serverside afaik.
[01:36] <Flannel> elky: yeah, that's likely.
[01:37] <elky> sigh.
[01:37] <Flannel> How do I ignore anyway?
[01:39] <elky> /ignore nickname
[01:39] <Flannel> wouldn't that be clientside?
[01:39] <elky> not as far as i know.
[01:39] <elky> that's what we're going to test.
[01:40] <Flannel> Ah
[01:40] <Flannel> in irssi /ignore is clientside, /silence is serverside
[01:40] <elky> ah
[01:41] <Flannel> it also only affects queries and invites, apparently.
[01:41] <Flannel> Quoth the /help
[02:07] <Flannel> LjL: erm, first contact with a person should not be an ops call.
[02:31] <Seeker`> g
[02:31] <Seeker`> night
[02:50] <elky> Flannel, ljl is not an op anymore. he is a user. users are not expected to clean up.
[02:51] <Flannel> elky: Erm, yes they are.
[02:51] <elky> no, users are not expected to clean up after other users.
[02:51] <Flannel> Just because you're an op doesn't make you magically have no sway in the way a channel behaves.
[02:52] <Flannel> Correct.  But his first course of action should be to inform person of said spam, or even say "stop" not call the ops.
[02:52] <Flannel> For all he knew, the other guy had no idea what he was doing.
[02:52] <elky> Flannel, one person had already been ignored by plexus. him trying would onluy have been a waste of time
[02:52] <Flannel> Er, other person said "?"
[02:53] <Flannel> Which, for all we knew, could've been seen by plexus as a response to a question he (thought he) was asking, or whatever.
[02:53] <Flannel> LjL had no business calling ops at that point, should have instead addressed said user.
[02:53] <elky> no, the other person said "<cgkades> PleXuS: what are you doing?" and received '<?xml' in return
[02:54] <Flannel> No, didn't have *any* response
[02:54] <Flannel> And then ops was called
[02:54] <elky> precisely. what makes you think a different word was going to get a different response?
[02:54] <Flannel> Because 'what are you doing' doesn't mean "stop doing it"
[02:55] <elky> Flannel, it can, particuarly in circumstances like that.
[02:55] <Flannel> If you want it to, yes.
[02:55] <elky> Flannel, it's like when a mother catches her kid with his hand in the cookie jar.
[02:55] <Flannel> But only if you already know what's going on.
[02:56] <elky> and we could see what was already going on
[02:56] <Flannel> LjL shouldn't have called ops so prematurely, that's all there is to it.
[02:56] <Flannel> Because we don't want our users calling ops without first trying to address the issues.
[02:56] <elky> ljl called the ops appropriately.
[02:56] <Flannel> operator intervention is not the first step in problem resolution.
[02:57] <elky> and it was not.
[02:57] <Flannel> If you take that stance, you're going to overload your operators.
[02:57] <Flannel> Yes it was
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < PleXuS> <?xml
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < cgkades> PleXuS: what are you doing?
[02:57] <Flannel> 18:06 < LjL> !ops | PleXuS
[02:57] <Flannel> "what are you doing" without a response, and then ops
[02:57] <elky> i see it differently. much differently
 PleXuS: what are you doing?
 <?xml
 <?xml
 !ops | PleXuS
[02:57] <elky> you might want to investigate your lag.
[02:58] <Flannel> Perhaps you should investigate yours.
[02:58] <Flannel> Geez
[02:58] <Flannel> Get off the holier-than-thou attitude.
[02:58] <elky> get off yours.
[02:59] <Flannel> All I was saying is that it might not be *me* lagging.
[02:59] <Flannel> But, whatever.
[05:01] <Madpilot> ick, I'm connected thru card.freenode.net. Orson Scott Card is such a wingnut, I feel dirty...
[05:10] <Flannel> So, reconnect!
[06:39] <elky> i think he missed the 're' bit.
[06:53] <Flannel> darn those latin roots
[08:57] <ubuntu> hi
[08:57] <ubuntu> How do I repair/fix my MBR, after I've recovered partitions using TestDisk?
[09:00] <elky> !mbr
[09:01] <elky> meanwhile, you're not entitled to use us for support just because you're banned.
[09:01] <ubuntu> I recovered my partitions with testdisk. Now I can't mount my recovered NTFS partition. Any suggestions?
[09:02] <ikonia> ubuntu is panarchy
[09:02] <ikonia> panarchy go away 
[09:02] <elky> ikonia, i know he is.
[09:02] <ikonia> yes, but I want him to know - I know
[09:03] <ikonia> panarchy - please leave the channel 
[09:03] <elky> ubuntu, please use ubuntuforums.org in the future. we have not got the time to deal with your issues.
[09:04] <elky> ubuntu, please leave this channel now.
[09:05] <ikonia> I'm speaking to freenode about this guy - it's getting stupid
[09:05] <ubuntu> Sorry guys, just checked this channel now
[09:05] <ikonia> how much of a network pain does this guy need to be before he's removed AGAIN
[09:05] <elky> chip, we're not stupid.
[09:05] <ubuntu> I'm using a LiveCD and I manually installed xChat. Which is why my username is the default
[09:05] <Panarchy> Is that better?
[09:05] <ikonia> I don't care about your nick
[09:06] <Panarchy> There, identify and changed
[09:06] <ikonia> I don't care , it makes no difference
[09:06] <elky> you're still banned from our support channels. you may not misuse us in the meantime.
[09:08] <elky> Panarchy, for the last time, please leave this channel.
[09:08] <ikonia> elky: I'm just going to speak to freenode staff now, it's the same old joke in many channels with him
[09:08] <ikonia> fed up of wasting time with this 
[09:09] <Panarchy> ok
[09:10] <elky> ikonia, which other channels?
[09:10] <ikonia> he's been flooding / cross-posting AGAIN all week
[09:10] <ikonia> jonathanD has banned him about 5 - 6 channels
[09:11] <ikonia> ##windows ##windows-server ##windows-programming ##winapi at least, the ##c++ guys have muted him, ##programming is fed up with him
[09:11] <ikonia> the list is endless
[09:11] <elky> christel, please look above.
[09:11] <elky> he even has a static ip. it's like fish in a barrel.
[09:11] <ikonia> he's started using his work IP (naughty) to get around some of the bans (I've updated the ban in #ubuntu channels
[09:12] <jussi01> awww, ikonia's pet has been by again...
[09:13] <elky> jussi01, you're not in the UK still, are you?
[09:13] <ikonia> it's such a waste of time
[09:13] <jussi01> elky: nope
[09:13] <elky> good, you might be safe from being stabbed :P
[09:13] <jussi01> hehe
[09:13] <Gary> I'm in the UK, should I be scared of stabbing then?
[09:14] <ikonia> I'm off to a festival later, so I best get ready 
[09:14] <elky> Gary, only if you call Panarchy a pet of ikonia.
[09:14] <Gary> they make a nice couple
[09:14] <elky> now you should be scared.
[09:14] <Gary> hehe
[09:43] <Myrtti> hello
[10:03] <phix> hey
[10:04] <phix> how's ubuntu coming along? those bugs been fixed yet?
[10:09] <phix> you know t hose bugs that were annoying me so much that I took out my frustration on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic then got kicked?\
[10:11] <topyli> phix: this channel is for operator/abuse business. we might be able to help with your ban, but not the bugs you cite
[10:12] <topyli> @login
[10:12] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:12] <phix> just explaining my actions so hopefully you drop the ban on  me
[10:12] <phix> and I can try and conduct my self in a more civilised manner
[10:13] <topyli> you do have quite a history
[10:17] <phix> not really, just one incident before
[10:18] <topyli> no
[10:18] <phix> 2 in total, doesn't equal up to a large history
[10:18] <phix> 3 if you include #ubuntu-offtopic but that was in the same night
[10:18] <phix> I count that as 1
[10:19] <phix> still != a history
[10:19] <phix> just isolated incidents
[10:21] <phix> I appologised, I would like to move on from that now
[10:21] <topyli> might be best to talk to the ops you've been dealing with. come back later and see if they're around then
[10:22] <phix> I cant hang out here?
[10:22] <phix> you seem like a nice person to talk to
[10:22] <phix> we can talk within topic, about op polotics and such
[10:23] <ikonia> phix: you know you can't hang out here
[10:23] <topyli> well, this channel is for implementing and dealing with the current policy. if you wish to change the policy, this is a bad arena for it
[10:23] <phix> aaww ok
[10:23] <ikonia> phix: people have been through this with you many times
[10:23] <ikonia> stop wasting time
[10:23] <phix> ikonia: hey mate
[10:24] <phix> ikonia: apparantly the ppl I need to speak to are not here, doesn't mean I don't want to speak to other ppl here
[10:24] <phix> they seem nice
[10:24] <ikonia> phix: thats not what this channel is for - as well you know
[10:25] <ikonia> phix: this was covered a day or so ago with you, so please don't play dumb/forgetful with me - you know what you're doing 
[10:25] <phix> my memory span is fair low
[10:26] <phix> it is a disability
[10:26] <ikonia> phix: you seem to be able to recall details of your ban count wihtout issue
[10:26] <phix> do you also laugh at ppl in wheel chairs?
[10:26] <ikonia> phix: bye
[10:26] <phix> selective memory perhaps
[10:26] <phix> ok
[10:26] <phix> I will be back again
[10:26] <phix> cya buddy
[10:26] <phix> hope to see you soon
[10:26] <phix> <3
[10:27] <elky> orly nao.
[10:27] <ikonia> if anyone with ops in here reads, I suggest putting a short term ban on him in here
[10:27] <ikonia> it may make him take a break from this regular joke
[10:28] <elky> that aint gonna work
[10:28] <elky> cs d
[10:31] <elky> what is it with TPG and morons... :(
[10:31] <ikonia> .au in general has had a high ammount of fools recently
[10:31] <ikonia> just the last week
[10:31] <elky> well, i suppose their cap sizes are popular
[10:31] <elky> ikonia, all our problems currently are aussies.
[10:32] <ikonia> unusual, it's come out of the blue
[10:32] <elky> panarchy, that other one i cant remember the name of, phix, aprilhare being a tosser in -ot
[10:32] <elky> aus is usually behind the times on stuff, i suspect it's just a mini awakening.
[10:32] <ikonia> ha
[10:32] <topyli> i've been thinking about doing something about aprilhare
[10:33] <topyli> story of my life, i've been thinking about doing a lot of things
[10:33] <elky> topyli, please. i usually avoid talking in there because i dont want to suddenly be the object of his obsessions.
[10:33] <elky> s/suddenly be/suddenly be reminded that i'm/
[10:35] <topyli> :(
[10:36] <elky> topyli, just verbal smackdowns are nice enough
[10:40] <topyli> somehow aprilhare reminds me of mikem, which reminds me that i should also start doing more about the shooting in the face, licking and stabbing in /me actions
[10:43] <elky> yeah, that stuff's gotta stop
[11:43] <elky> topyliiiiiiiiii...
[11:51] <elky> topyli, get him off!
[11:52] <elky> it burns, it burns like creepiness.
[12:11] <elky> jpds, um...?
[12:12] <jpds> elky: ?
[12:12] <jpds> elky: I was waiting for the opportune moment myself.
[12:13] <elky> yeah, he had no intention of stopping.
[13:09] <superboy_> hi
[13:10] <superboy_> um i got banned and um i dont know what to do
[13:11] <jussi01> superboy_: do you have any idea why you were banned?
[13:12] <superboy_> um i forgot really....<SHORT-TERM MEMORY
[13:12] <jussi01> superboy_: really dont give me that...
[13:12] <superboy_> OKAY BOTBUSING
[13:12] <jussi01> yes, exactly
[13:12] <superboy_> sorry bout the caps
[13:13] <jussi01> superboy_: so If I unban you, what assurances can you give me it wont happen again?
[13:14] <superboy_> help others like u helped me and leave the bots alone and ,leave the bots to the staff and admins
[13:15] <superboy_> and sorry
[13:15] <jussi01> superboy_: you are allowed to use the bots, when its appropriate. Now Ill unban you but if it happens again Ill make sure it stays on for a long time. ok?
[13:16] <superboy_> ok thanks jussi
[13:16] <jussi01> superboy_: you can now enter #kubuntu again, and leave here
[13:17] <superboy_> yes sir
[13:19] <jussi01> superboy_: please part this channel now
[13:24] <Seeker`> The ban on phix in #ubuntu can be removed by anyone after elky has removed the ban on him in -ot, as far as I am concerned
[13:25] <elky> we have enough time wasters in a day without adding him back to the mix
[13:28] <Seeker`> I'm not saying he should be unbanned
[13:29] <Seeker`> but its your ban in -ot and my ban in #u as far as I can work out; My point is that I don't have any problems with him going back to #u at any point after you have decided to remove the ban from -ot
[13:34] <elky> ah ok
[15:21] <Seeker`> lo
[15:22] <Gary> damnit, why are MS keyboards so much better than the others?
[15:23] <Gary> I needed a new keyboard and the only one I liked was a MS wireless thingy, logitech was the only other decent make and they sucked
[15:23] <LjL> this "montel" fellow was weird yesterday too iirc.
[15:23] <topyli> nothing wrong with that. let them make their excellent mice and keyboards. it's god to know that the company has a future
[15:24] <Gary> and why did I just say that here and not /15 #ubuntu-uk
[15:28] <Seeker`> LjL: Wasn't he botspamming or someting?
[15:28] <LjL> elky, Flannel: for the record, if it's not appropriate to call !ops when someone spams the channel very badly, for quite some time, and no op intervenes with a mute, then i don't know *what* !ops is appropriate for. and if that's "overloading the ops", oh damn, too bad, why didn't i think of that.
[15:28] <LjL> Seeker`: don't remember
[15:29] <LjL> anyway, i can see that ops don't have time to actually check the channel, when they're so awfully busy discussing what an appropriate !ops call is, whether 4chan is an acceptable topic in -offtopic, and whether one should have a 2-hours discussion with someone who was already banned half a dozen times, and things like that
[15:37] <elky> topyli, oh gawd they didnt...
[15:38] <topyli> elky: hmm?
[15:38] <elky> topyli, aprilhare and ikanobori
[15:39] <topyli> well
[15:39] <topyli> they did something alright
[15:40] <elky> yes, and i'm contemplating the chances of me nuking aprilhare's suburb and getting away with it...
[15:40] <LjL> and i'm contemplating nuking #ubuntu
[15:40] <elky> i have no idea and no desire to know where ikanobori lives.
[15:40] <LjL> what the hell does "it's wort a crack" mean if you're giving them a command that has nothing at all to do with the issue
[15:40] <LjL> elky: dutchland
[15:40] <elky> LjL, actionparsnip again?
[15:41] <LjL> elky: yeah, although he's only the last in a series
[15:41] <LjL> !fixapt
[15:41] <elky> LjL, aww, the risk to seveas would be too great.
[15:41] <LjL> would you give someone this, if a postinst script were failing? no, because it won't do anything about it
[15:41] <topyli> elky: hey, aprilhare might live close to some perfectly nice people. use an axe instead ;)
[15:42] <elky> topyli, well. if i was to nuke aprilhare, i'd nuke myself too since i'm pretty sure a nuke would dirty the whole of sydney on a bad day.
[15:43] <LjL> hey don't nuke my sibling! :(
[15:43] <LjL> wait...
[15:43] <LjL> uhm, perhaps do nuke.
[15:43] <elky> hehe
[15:44] <elky> LjL, ikonia and i had to rip actionparsnip last night.
[15:44] <LjL> rip apart and replace brain?
[15:44] <LjL> if so, then the new brain is malfunctioning too
[15:45] <elky> the body rejected the new brain.
[15:45] <LjL> oic :(
[15:46] <LjL> i mean... on the one hand, i don't really know how to solve this fellow's issue, either. so if someone has something to try, i guess "try it"
[15:46] <LjL> but when it comes to trying really completely unrelated things, it's just like voodoo, not support
[15:59] <LjL> elky: by the way, if you ever want to learn italian or know someone who does, sister's giving people lessons :P
[16:00] <elky> hehe
[16:02]  * Gary hides
[16:03] <LjL> Gary: hey, why have you hidden?
[16:03] <Gary> scared of elky 
[16:04] <LjL> Gary: i can see you
[16:04] <LjL> *and so can she*
[16:04]  * Gary wiggles
[16:07] <LjL> *so* much fail in #ubuntu with the bot
[16:09] <elky> topyli, you're aware of /remove, yes?
[16:09] <Gary> or /msg chanserv quiet (or whatever it is called)
[16:09] <LjL> elky: i think you'll need to give him a practical demonstration
[16:10] <LjL> Gary: hold on a moment, since when...?
[16:10] <Gary> LjL: want a demo?
[16:10] <LjL> Gary: no. i can read the help
[16:10] <elky> nickspoon, that was epic /remove fail.
[16:10] <LjL> nickspoon cannot fail
[16:11] <LjL> physical impossibility
[16:11] <nickspoon> I don't actually want him to go away.
[16:11] <Seeker`> nickspoon's hat has 3 corners, how could he fail?!
[16:11] <LjL> indeed, indeed
[16:11] <topyli> elky: i'm still learning my irssi setup sorry
[16:11] <Gary> he fails at rotating
[16:11] <elky> nickspoon, he and aubade are catalysing the atmosphere in there. so if you want it to improve, then you do.
[16:12] <Gary> topyli:  CKICK      quote chanserv op $C; wait 500; quote remove $C $0 :$1-; quote chanserv op $C -$N
[16:12] <Gary> the waits can be shorter if you have less lag
[16:12] <Seeker`> topyli: auto_bleh helps
[16:12] <topyli> Seeker`: that's what i'm learning :)
[16:13] <Seeker`> I blieve /ar is autoremove
[16:13] <topyli> Gary: my router crashing might have contributed to the lag
[16:13] <topyli> Seeker`: yes, but i've learned "k" from chanserv.py and need to unlearn
[16:13] <Seeker`> ah
[16:13] <Gary> having 80 odd channels is the cause of my lag, and hence why I have the wait at 500
[16:15] <jussi01> topyli: just go modify auto_bleh's source - it is open source after all :P
[16:16] <topyli> jussi01: ooh! :)
[16:16] <Gary> ummm sauce
[16:16] <Gary> need food :'(
[16:17] <topyli> actually i consider it a chanserv.py bug. it does things for the user that shouldn't be auto-done
[16:17] <topyli> then again, i'm usually a fan of all sorts of automation and such, so i don't know
[16:20] <topyli> Seeker`: so, uh, how to ban a nick only? :)
[16:21] <Seeker`> may require some modification of the script
[16:21] <Seeker`> alternatively , /mode #ubuntu-offtopic +b nick!*@*
[16:21] <topyli> oh of course
[16:21] <LjL> meh, you people can do one or two things manually, surely :P
[16:22] <topyli> LjL: technology has left me helpless!
[16:22] <LjL> in one channel there's someone who does *all* op actions in a completely manual way (type the entire hostname in a ban), because "if i'm banning them, at least they deserve me wasting the time to type it out" :P
[16:22] <Seeker`> heh
[16:23] <LjL> ... doesn't work very well with fast spammers.
[16:23] <Seeker`> no, I can imagine
[16:23] <LjL> but i do think he has half a point
[16:24] <Gary> LjL: I used to do that, for the same reasons
[16:24] <Gary> use scripts for spammers though
[16:24] <LjL> Gary: then tell him to do the same :P
[16:29] <Seeker`> pr0nstradamus: how can we help you?
[16:29] <pr0nstradamus> I'd like to be unbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:29] <pr0nstradamus> or be shown a rule against my nickname plz
[16:30] <LjL> pr0nstradamus: have you been told to avoid using that nickname?
[16:30] <pr0nstradamus> Indeed, but Its my nickname.
[16:30] <pr0nstradamus> I don't complain about yours.
[16:30] <LjL> pr0nstradamus: " Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed. "
[16:30] <LjL> from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> So one powertripping fool rules them all.
[16:31] <elky> ljl has no power.
[16:31] <topyli> pr0nstradamus: you're violating the "use your brain and be nice" rule
[16:31] <LjL> you flatter me
[16:31] <LjL> elky: :P
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> I wasn
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> 't
[16:31] <pr0nstradamus> speaking of ljl
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> I was speaking of topyli
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> who had no issue with my name at the beginning of the week, but does today.
[16:32] <topyli> i've had an issue with it all the time, and i have requested many times that you change it to something non-offensive
[16:32] <pr0nstradamus> Theres nothing offensive about it.
[16:33] <topyli> only the nick is banned, not your ident or ip
[16:33] <bazhang> sure there is.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> I realize that
[16:33] <elky> pr0nstradamus, please explain how your nickname is not in conflict with the desire to avoid a sexualised environment, as published in the rules under 'please avoid sexuality'.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> Do I speak of sex in your channels?
[16:33] <Seeker`> topyli: so to make this clear, it is only the nickname that is banned, not the user, and he is free to rejoin with a different nickname
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> no.
[16:33] <topyli> Seeker`: exactly
[16:33] <elky> pr0nstradamus, your nickname does every time you speak.
[16:33] <pr0nstradamus> Lies.
[16:34] <pr0nstradamus> your urban dictionary and your mind give it meaning, nothing more.
[16:34] <Seeker`> you could say the same about any word
[16:34] <topyli> pr0nstradamus: this issue is not something we can argue
[16:34] <topyli> if you have nothing else to discuss, leave this channel please
[16:35] <jussi01> right...
[16:36] <topyli> hmm sauna in half an hour and i have no beer. need to go to the shop and see if they can help
[16:36] <jussi01> topyli: good luck...
[16:36] <LjL> why good luck?
[16:36]  * jussi01 notes its after 6...
[16:36] <jussi01> lähikauppa for you!
[16:37] <jussi01> LjL: shopos close at 6 on a saturday
[16:37] <jussi01> except the tiny ones
[16:37] <LjL> oh
[16:37] <LjL> why? because their tenants have to go to sauna? :P
[16:37] <jussi01> pretty much
[16:37] <jussi01> saturday evening is traditional sauna day
[16:38] <topyli> jussi01: we have a tiny one right there *points*
[16:38] <jussi01> just one of those things...
[16:38] <jussi01> topyli: so you do...
[16:38] <LjL> you'd adapt well if you went to israel and vice versa :P
[16:39]  * jussi01 forgot about that
[16:39] <LjL> topyli: you need to look at the *root* of the problem though.
[16:39] <LjL> topyli: why on earth are you left with no beer supplies?
[16:41] <Gary> beer!
[16:41] <Gary> I just sent tom out to get beer \o/
[16:43] <jussi01> :D
[16:44] <LjL> Gary: hope he knows your tastes for beer better than my dad does. bought me beck's. ew.
[16:44] <Gary> eeew
[16:44] <Gary> does he hate you?
[16:45] <LjL> Gary: well he did say he couldn't find the one he usually gets... but yeah, he probably hates me
[16:45] <Gary> peroni is what he bought \o/
[16:45] <LjL> ew too
[16:45]  * Gary <3's tomothy
[16:51] <topyli> in pm now, 18:47 <~pr0nstradamus> so you know, now that I think of it, which is really hard to do this morning, pr0n does refer to pictures of industrial hardware
[16:51] <topyli> 18:48 <~pr0nstradamus> so theres your not sexual meaning
[16:51] <LjL> ...
[16:51] <topyli> right
[16:51] <LjL> if only we knew what this "topyli" word meant in his silly language, i'm sure we'd have permbanned him long ago :(
[16:53] <topyli> hehe
[16:54] <topyli> it's a diminutive form of "topi", which is what my friends used to call me, some still do. in effect it's something like "little toby"
[16:55] <LjL> so finnish nicknames are like american nicknames - have nothing to do with the real name? :P
[16:57] <topyli> they are usually derived from your real name, but not always (as you can see)
[16:57] <elky> topyli, toby being a character from a book?
[16:58] <topyli> more like Topi Sorsakoski, a famous schlager singer and famous drunkard :)
[16:58] <elky> ah, so you're named for the latter part?
[16:58] <jussi01> My name is actually a shortening of a longer name...
[16:58] <topyli> in the ancient times, my original nick was toby_dick, but some people failed to miss the literary reference and also the zeppelin reference (i am after all a drummer)
[16:59] <LjL> topyli's better anyway
[16:59] <topyli> so some they thought it offensive and i changed
[16:59] <LjL> topyli: see, such innocent nicknames turned evil by silly ops :(
[16:59] <topyli> hehehe
[17:00] <topyli> i simply changed it at first request though :)
[17:00] <topyli> the nick wasn't a famous established trademarked million-dollar internet brand like topyli is
[17:00] <topyli> ooh seven o'clock! /me runs
[17:00] <Seeker`> jussi01: It is a shortening of jussi0123456789?
[17:01] <bazhang> haha
[17:01] <tuhina> Seeker`: rofl
[17:08] <elky> i'd better go off to bed. cyas
[17:08] <bazhang> night
[17:11] <Gary> night petal
[17:24] <nickspoon> Night elky.
[17:39] <tuhina> Damn, Ive run out of whiskey...
[17:51] <Gary> haha
[17:52] <Seeker`> I dont have any whiskey :(
[17:52] <tuhina> Gary: *g*
[17:52] <tuhina> what!! no vodka either :(
[17:52]  * tuhina looks for any alcoholic beverage...
[17:53] <Gary> I has beer
[17:53] <tuhina> nothing :(
[17:53] <Gary> even though LjL thinks it sucks
[17:53] <tuhina> Gary: beer is beer is still better than no beer...
[17:54] <LjL> i agree
[17:55] <bazhang> yuck alcohol
[17:56] <tuhina> hehe
[18:25]  * topyli worries about jussi01. we have a hedgehog operating bots and jussi01'ses trapped in a modded bookshelf :(
[18:31] <bazhang> * [zlad1] (n=alex@79-126-43-235.dynamic.mts-nn.ru): alex  <-- known bad actor from -ru
[18:38] <bazhang> ugh. ultimate user in #k will not take the hint
[21:01] <LjL> well, i'll go and have my own ration of (hopefully decent, as opposed to gary's) beer
[21:01] <LjL> i'd drink some english beer to underline the irony but i feel more like guinness
[21:03] <Draconicus> I have a small suggestion for the #ubuntu channel's management, and is apparently the place to present it... What if you split the channel up with freenode managing an automatic redirect based on a user cap? Like #ubuntu1 #ubuntu2 and #ubuntu3 - you already have an overflow channel, but #ubuntu remains massively overpopulated and very difficult to work in. There are plenty of assistants to go around these days, so it's not as 
[21:03] <Draconicus> though help would be spread thin.
[21:04] <Seeker`> it means more channels to watch
[21:04] <LjL> this ain't AOL :(
[21:04] <Seeker`> and it means that all the helpers may get directed to #ubuntu1, and all of the really new users to #ubuntu2
[21:07] <Amaranth> Draconicus: More channels for us to watch and less people helping in each channel
[21:08] <Draconicus> You need more ops then, methinks. :P
[21:08] <Amaranth> Draconicus: We've discussed doing that for years, ends up the same way
[21:08] <Draconicus> I figured as much...
[21:09] <Draconicus> I do see problems with this. If it was official support by dedicated operators it could be a different story.
[21:09] <Seeker`> "officailly supported"?
[21:09] <Seeker`> in what way?
[21:10] <Amaranth> a lot of the ops don't do much support in #ubuntu
[21:10] <Draconicus> I didn't say "supported"
[21:10] <Draconicus> I know they don't. I was saying that if it was something it could never be, the idea might work.
[21:10] <Draconicus> If the ops were the helpers, and so on. There's no way to handle that.
[21:11] <Draconicus> Funneling it all into one channel creates such chaos... I don't even go to #ubuntu anymore because of the growing nightmare it's been ever since dapper.
[21:12] <Draconicus> Ah well.
[21:12] <Draconicus> Thanks for your interest I gues.
[21:12] <Draconicus> guess*
[21:12] <Draconicus> Take care.
[22:13] <Gary> poor Pici 
[22:14] <Pici> hmm?
[22:20] <Pici> okay, enough playing around for now :/
[22:20] <Gary> you were doing it wrong! :p
[22:22] <Pici> I know!
[22:23] <Pici> I was trying to write something to check if an action had been sucessful, but it kept blocking
[23:18] <Seeker`> Pici: I banned Puppy; Was back with their "I don't like Ubuntu, why not try Puppy Linux"