[00:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [00:42] <_Groo_> any dev alive? [00:52] they all died :p [00:53] :P [00:53] accidentally dropped the fish bowl holding the devs [01:18] * claydoh goes back to quassel [03:24] blah, power outages suck [03:27] Riddell: a plasma applet for input method, its provide a univeral panel for some input methods, like scim, fcitx, ibus === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [07:29] Out of curiousity, Ive just come across someone with this on clean ubuntu install of jaunty, with kubutnu-desktop install through apt get. anyone seen it before? http://pastebin.ca/1418048 [07:30] is that nalioth's issue? [07:30] nixternal: yeah [07:33] serves him right :p [07:33] jussi01: ask if he is using his old PowerPC still [07:33] nixternal: be nice :P [07:35] I am [07:35] he uses, or used to us a ppc [07:36] nixternal: [09:29:46] no, the powermac died several months ago. i'm on a dualcore Intel emt64 platform now, using the amd64 distro [07:36] jussi01: tell him to fix the ppc then and quit complaining ;p [07:37] hahahq... but I said be nice... :D [07:38] that is me being nice :p [07:38] that is definitely an odd issue [07:38] yeah, I agree - hence I brought it here... [07:38] it seems libk* didn't install correctly, that would be my guess....i wonder if it keeps happening, and if it does if he tried a different cd [07:39] but he apt-getted the libk* stuff [07:40] hrmm === hunger_ is now known as hunger === freinhar1 is now known as freinhard [10:14] here we go again, eagles doing support [10:14] * Mamarok waits what comes out of that [10:15] if it's really bad support, call ops. giving bad advice/support is against the IRC Guidelines [10:15] * a|wen steadies Mamarok [10:15] then we'll have an excuse to discuss it in great detail with him... [10:15] we will see === freinhar1 is now known as freinhard [11:23] I use Kubuntu 9.04. I just found out why I had no sound. Because in the mixer Surround, Center, LFE and PCM were set to mute. Why would the developers set it to mute from start... [11:25] Jack8899: that is not set by the developers, rather a missmatch on startup [11:26] and an old sound problem with Kubuntu, coming back for some people with almost every release [11:26] Mamarok: Should I report this? [11:27] Jack8899: well, AFAIK there should already be a bug on launchpad for that, closed and repoenend numerous times [11:28] they should solve this... ;) [11:40] anyone here on 4.2.2 to check something for me? [11:52] ikonia: there is a freeze with the fglrx driver for ATI though [11:53] Mamarok: I don't doubt it [11:53] that Intel GC issue puzzles me though, he has a card that should work === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:21] hiho [12:46] JontheEchidna: bug 47133 ... wokaround: move libaudiocd_encoder_lame.so to seperate package [12:46] Launchpad bug 47133 in kdemultimedia "MP3-support should be hidden when lame is not installed" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47133 [12:46] at least the KCM will not show the mp3 stuff then ... and I suppose the same applies for the actual slave [12:47] if you do that workaround make sure you add the package to restircted-extras and implement magic so that user gets notified about missing mp3 support upon accessing the slave and/or the kcm [12:47] anyway, gotta go [12:47] cya [12:57] anyone here need use scim? [13:00] not I said the hedgehog... [13:18] nixternal: Any luck? === peter_ is now known as vital [14:37] yay, kde4libs finally compiled [14:37] yay, oxygen icons too [14:37] * Riddell uploads kdepimlibs [14:48] apachelogger: any news? [15:11] Riddell: got time to sponsor 3 things? [15:50] can you upload this launchpad bug 374290? [15:50] Launchpad bug 374290 in skrooge "New upstream release skrooge 0.2.8 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374290 [15:50] testbuild is ok :) [15:57] lex79: looking [15:57] many thanks [16:05] sorry, had to take the phone, really looking now ;-) === seele_ is now known as seele [16:24] JontheEchidna: sure [16:29] yay, kdepimlibs done [16:29] we're finally getting somewhere with these merges [16:29] * Riddell upload kdebases [16:29] bug 374228 [16:29] Launchpad bug 374228 in strigi "Sync strigi 0.6.5-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374228 [16:29] bug 372700 [16:29] Launchpad bug 372700 in akonadi "akonadi 1.1.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372700 [16:30] and bug 373947 [16:30] Launchpad bug 373947 in konversation "New upstream svn snapshot (1.1.75)/merge from Debian experimental" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373947 [16:30] is that kde 4 konversation? [16:30] yep [16:31] meh, kdegraphics beta FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/168846/ [16:31] libkdcraw/kdcraw.h: No such file or directory [16:31] shouldn't that be part of kdegraphics [16:32] ...does this mean kdegraphics has a circular dependency on itself? [16:32] well suggests its build system is broken [16:32] look at the includes in the compile line -I. -I../../../thumbnailers/raw -I../../.. -I../.. -I../../../libs/libkexiv2 [16:32] one of those should point to kdcraw [16:47] anybody else having problem with quassel notifications staying open fowever after upgrade to kde 4.2.3? [16:51] Lure: that is fixed in git (both 0.4 branch and master) [16:51] and will be in 0.4.2 due in a week or two [16:51] Sput: ok, I though kde 4.2.3 broke something in general [16:51] * Lure searches for ScottK's ppa ;-) [16:51] Lure: no, they fixed something :) [16:51] Lure: yeah, ScottK has the fix. [16:52] Lure: knotify up to 4.2.3 ignored the persistance flag for notifications, so we didn't notice it being set until they fixed it :) [16:52] Sput: good one ;-) [16:54] * Lure restarts quassel to get fix [16:56] Sput: much better now ;-) [16:57] lex79: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to kubuntu [16:57] :) [16:57] Sput: any plans for "start minimized" option? [16:57] JontheEchidna: thanks [16:57] * Lure would prefer to have it started in systray [16:58] Lure: mmmh, I'd like to fix the "remember last state" thingy (which proves amazingly hard to do right since QMainWindow's restoreState() fails) [16:58] that should probably fix that issue [16:58] Sput: that would be even better [16:58] so if you quit quassel while it's minimized, it'll start up like that [16:58] good, just that it is on your radar screen [17:04] JontheEchidna: were you working on kdegraphics merge? [17:04] Riddell: it's in bzr [17:06] * JontheEchidna going out for mother's day lunch [17:07] JontheEchidna: super, uploading [17:07] JontheEchidna: have a nice dinner === santiago-pgsql is now known as santiago-ve [17:40] Riddell: launchpad bug 373912 [17:40] Launchpad bug 373912 in kdeutils "kdeutils 4.2.2: new changes from Debian require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373912 [17:40] apachelogger: ping [17:50] are we merging in debian's pkg-kde-tools any time soon? I have a package where the .pot file gets eaten and never regenerated [17:56] nixternal: it got merged ages ago. is this still ktorrent? [17:58] kwave [17:58] ktorrent doing the same thing? [17:58] derr, I am a moron [17:58] I grabbed the damn jaunty pkg-kde-tools pkg [17:59] you'll need to add export KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=1 [17:59] to debian/rules [18:02] oh rock on, thanks for that! [18:06] * Mamarok wants her sound back in Jaunty [18:06] *arghs* [18:07] and Strigi and a lot of other things that should work in kde 4.2.3 and don't btw :( [18:11] Mamarok: your sound and strigi broke with 4.2.3? [18:12] lex79: thanks, needs to wait for a few more depends to be uploaded before kdeutils does but with luck that'll happen today [18:14] ok [18:14] Mamarok: neither phonon nor strigi has changed in 4.2.3 [19:17] Riddell: no, my sound broke from Jaunty alpha 6, and strigi never started [19:17] ..."sound broke"? [19:18] snapped in two [19:18] well, I sometimes have sound, most of the time not [19:19] I get phonon messages of sound switching to . on KDE start, sometimes on Amarok start, sometimes on track change [19:19] over all, I have had sound about 10% of the time since I switched to Jaunty [19:20] and Strigi never started, even with the workaround in the Nepomuk bug reported in Launchpad, strigi never starts, and Nepomux still uses redland, although sesame2 is installed since the beginning [19:21] Mamarok: are you unlucky enough to have pulseaudio installed? [19:23] dtchen: yes, and I never installed it deliberately, it came in through god knows what, and now I can't get rid of it anymore [19:23] and I removed phonodevicesrc numerous times, it always comes back [19:24] Mamarok: that was release-noted for 9.04; just use "sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio" [19:24] did so, it is still is visible in phonon [19:25] there is a remaining libpulse package I can't remove without removing all kde [19:25] Mamarok: libpulse doesn't matter ... just be sure that "pulseaudio" is gone [19:26] it is, first thing I removed [19:26] then why is it still showing in phonon? [19:27] Mamarok: "aptitude search pulseaudio" ... is the status of all those "p" ? [19:27] and why does phonon try to remove my soundcard every now and then? [19:27] a|wen: yes, of course, as I said, I purged it [19:28] very handy to help in Amarok development when you don't have sound most of the time [19:28] Mamarok: and i guess you have tried to remove ".kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc" and start all over? [19:28] and we get "no sound" reports in Jaunty for Amarok all the time, not from other distros though... [19:29] something is strange somewhere, but where? [19:30] my sound disappears every time hal is restarted which is pretty annoying ... but luckily not at strange other times anymore (did prior to jaunty release) [19:30] well, the first place to start is by asking those reporters to use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh [19:30] it's a bash script, so please inform them that they need to invoke it explicitly with bash [19:30] a|wen: i still ma using an older kernel for my sound to work [19:30] we've cobbled just about everything one needs to know into that script [19:31] isn't that script installed already somewhere? [19:31] jjesse: an intrepid kernel? [19:32] a|wen: Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic [19:33] i had trouble sometime in jaunty development as well ... it worked, but then disappeared sometimes; but it was fixed for me [19:33] dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=33518ebd4020d907539fef201dcae13d12f602a2 [19:35] dtchen: and of course it tells you that there is no soundcard [19:35] although lspci says otherwise [19:35] huh? there's a recognised sound card [19:35] see "!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA [19:37] i'll check if you need any quirks, sec [19:46] Mamarok: add your user to the audio group, log out and back in [19:47] Mamarok: when you had pulseaudio installed, it used consolekit to grant @audio permissions to your user [19:47] Mamarok: now that pulseaudio is no longer running, you need to ensure that your user is in @audio [19:47] Mamarok: also, you can remove ~/.asoundrc [19:48] (it's unnecessary) [19:48] ok, will do so [19:49] there is also a .asoundrc.asoundconf, I guess I don't need this neither? [19:50] not really, but it's ~/.asoundrc that matters [19:51] ok, removed, will log out and report back, sec [19:51] if Jaunty actually let's me logout without crashing... [19:51] we will see... that never worked till now === nellery_ is now known as nellery [19:53] Could I get a revu please? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5718 [19:57] huh, no clue why kdeaccessibility FTBFS [19:59] JontheEchidna: description is a bit negative for plasma-widget-makestatus, should focus on what it can do rather than what it doesn't [20:00] packaging lovely otherwise [20:00] I was trying to find a way to be more verbose, but I suppose you're right [20:00] dtchen: works great! [20:00] mille grazie! [20:00] it's hard to be verbose with plasmoid package descriptions :( [20:01] " [20:01] It will work for all software projects that use CMake as their [20:01] build system [20:02] learned something :) [20:02] phonon trouble with kdemultimedia: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26538333/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdemultimedia_4%3A4.2.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [20:03] howdy. I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop. anyone seen these errors? http://pastebin.ca/1418048 [20:03] JontheEchidna: is Riddell enough or do you need another revu? ... if so, i can take a look in 15 mins [20:05] a|wen: wouldn't hurt I suppose [20:05] * a|wen likes "...patience..." being part of a build output [20:05] "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/libkttsd_alsaplugin.so': No such file or directory" hmm, sound related issue on kdeaccessiblity [20:05] JontheEchidna: ^^ this could be our chance to get dtchen into KDE packaging :) [20:05] heh [20:06] I didn't add or remove that file from any of the .installs, so it might be a lower-down issue [20:06] well I try and compile it in a bit [20:06] thx [20:06] the kdegraphics FTBFS was a stupid issue from me [20:06] looking at kdemultimedia now, which needs building qt to look at phonon [20:07] (I accidentally merged the debian docpath for ksnapshot.install [20:07] it happens, I fixed it [20:09] * JontheEchidna wonders if it'd be feasible to get kphotoalbum to its KDE4 version soon so that it doesn't depend on libkdcraw3 [20:09] it's the last rdepend of libkdcraw3 [20:09] JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-makestatus compiles and installs without problems [20:10] I should backport that plasmoid, it's neat [20:12] pretty please [20:13] Mamarok: pong [20:13] so how many revu's do you need when you are an MOTU? [20:14] JontheEchidna: did you have time to look at the audiocd bug? [20:14] JontheEchidna: one revu [20:14] apachelogger: move the plugin to another package? [20:14] it's more of political value though, otherwise you will be boned if the package is crap ;-) [20:14] JontheEchidna: yes [20:14] JontheEchidna: and force upstream into fixing it properly [20:15] * JontheEchidna was a bit busy merging kdegraphics [20:15] I'll get on that after I fix FTBFS [20:15] really, I think they just didn't refactor the design when they changed from using liblame to the lame binary [20:15] JontheEchidna: okies :) [20:16] apachelogger: any news? [20:18] Mamarok: on? [20:18] on the dw packages... [20:19] just need to upload them to the ppa [20:20] JontheEchidna: you need to file an LP bug for it ;P [20:24] JontheEchidna: apart from that and the description it looks good [20:24] * a|wen testbuilds [20:28] oh, yeah. I do need to file a bug... [20:29] :) [20:31] argh, crappy debian patching! [20:32] * a|wen just needed to get it off his chest [20:39] jings, will I ever get kdebase-runtime to compile [20:40] * a|wen tests getting "hello world" to compile ... cross fingers! [21:00] JontheEchidna: oh, and a present from lintian: "binary-without-manpage usr/bin/makeinvoker" [21:12] I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop. anyone seen these errors? http://pastebin.ca/1418048 [21:13] Oo [21:13] no [21:13] nalioth: does .xsession-errors contain anything useful? [21:16] apachelogger: none for any kde app [21:18] nalioth: my guess is that something with the installation of libqt went wrong [21:18] I only know that error in a version-incompability context [21:18] nalioth: maybe the google knows more :) [21:19] i did a apt-get install --reinstall of several libqt components, esp the ones that contain that file it's erroring on [21:22] nalioth: try kdelibs5 [21:22] * jussi01 waves to nalioth - did you sleep well? [21:22] a reinstall that is [21:23] hi jussi01_ [21:26] apachelogger: that did not fix it [21:27] no clue then [21:27] nalioth: do you use any 3rd party repositories? [21:28] apachelogger: this is a fresh install, and i've not added any 3d party stuff yet (although i'm weird and usually only add deb-src repos and have apt-get compile it) [21:29] well, maybe that is the problem :) [21:34] apachelogger: not having any 3d party repos is causing the problem? [21:34] i don't consider universe and multiverse to be 3d party repos [21:39] nalioth: nah, the apt-get compiling ;-) [21:40] apachelogger: but he hasnt done that yet on this install? [21:40] well [21:40] I am clueless anyway [21:40] that issue is way too weird [21:45] no, not weird. [21:45] i have missed my calling as "product tester", because if it can generate a weird error, it happens to me [21:49] go back to your ppc! [21:50] nixternal: I told you to be nice!!! [21:50] it is nalioth, we are never nice! [21:51] brlcad build is causing smoke to rise from the keyboard....B E A S T ! ! ! [21:59] shouldn't update-notifier-kde at least recommend kpackagekit? [22:00] several gnomies are whining ;-) [22:01] yes [22:01] although i'm surprised they have update-notifier-kde installed [22:02] oh [22:02] with KDE 4.3 persistent notifications work again, so we may want to look in to using Kpackagekit's notifications for 9.10 [22:03] update-notifier-kde is somewhat of a pig when it comes to checking for updates... but maybe that's update-notifier-common's problem ;-) === fregl_ is now known as fregl [22:44] qt has been linking for the last hour [22:44] just linking one library [22:44] something suspicious going on, even qt isn't that bad [22:49] Riddell: will there be any new KDE packages for Intrepid? [22:49] nope [22:50] cool, thanks [22:56] Riddell: have you seen nalioth's issue? I was curious if you had seen it before/knew what could cause it [22:57] [23:12:56] I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop. anyone seen these errors? http://pastebin.ca/1418048 [23:01] jussi01: no I don't think I have [23:02] well, we do have a patch about loading qt localisation stuff for packages compiled on qt 4.4 and running qt 4.5 [23:02] maybe he's running something compiled with qt 4.4 [23:02] Riddell: this is as delivered via apt-get on a new install [23:03] Riddell: but how can that be - its a clean install? [23:04] couldn't say [23:04] it shouldn't be different from a standalone kubuntu-desktop install [23:05] i am available for any testing [23:05] does it cause any problems? [23:07] other than none of those programs start? [23:07] i've not sat and checked every kde program for this, but those 3 i use regularly [23:08] just for amusement, has strace -f helped? [23:09] i am a t-da about this stuff. can you elaborate? [23:10] strace -f theapp [23:10] you may wish to use strace -f -o somelogfile theapp [23:13] yeah, the > isn't working :( [23:14] yeah, strace requires the -o [23:16] http://pastebin.ca/1418697 dtchen [23:48] apachelogger: used whatever is currently in bzr [23:49] nalioth: sorry, reading now