[00:42] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[00:42] <_Groo_> any dev alive?
[00:52] <nixternal> they all died :p
[00:53] <lex79> :P
[00:53] <nixternal> accidentally dropped the fish bowl holding the devs
[01:18]  * claydoh goes back to quassel
[03:24] <JontheEchidna> blah, power outages suck
[03:27] <freeflyi1g> Riddell: a plasma applet for input method, its provide a univeral panel for some input methods, like scim, fcitx, ibus
[07:29] <jussi01> Out of curiousity, Ive just come across someone with this on clean ubuntu install of jaunty, with kubutnu-desktop install through apt get. anyone seen it before? http://pastebin.ca/1418048
[07:30] <nixternal> is that nalioth's issue?
[07:30] <jussi01> nixternal: yeah
[07:33] <nixternal> serves him right :p
[07:33] <nixternal> jussi01: ask if he is using his old PowerPC still
[07:33] <jussi01> nixternal: be nice :P
[07:35] <nixternal> I am
[07:35] <nixternal> he uses, or used to us a ppc
[07:36] <jussi01> nixternal: [09:29:46] <nalioth> no, the powermac died several months ago.  i'm on a dualcore Intel emt64 platform now, using the amd64 distro
[07:36] <nixternal> jussi01: tell him to fix the ppc then and quit complaining ;p
[07:37] <jussi01> hahahq... but I said be nice... :D
[07:38] <nixternal> that is me being nice :p
[07:38] <nixternal> that is definitely an odd issue
[07:38] <jussi01> yeah, I agree - hence I brought it here...
[07:38] <nixternal> it seems libk* didn't install correctly, that would be my guess....i wonder if it keeps happening, and if it does if he tried a different cd
[07:39] <jussi01> but he apt-getted the libk* stuff
[07:40] <nixternal> hrmm
[10:14] <Mamarok> here we go again, eagles doing support
[10:14]  * Mamarok waits what comes out of that
[10:15] <tsimpson> if it's really bad support, call ops. giving bad advice/support is against the IRC Guidelines
[10:15]  * a|wen steadies Mamarok
[10:15] <tsimpson> then we'll have an excuse to discuss it in great detail with him...
[10:15] <Mamarok> we will see
[11:23] <Jack8899> I use Kubuntu 9.04. I just found out why I had no sound. Because in the mixer Surround, Center, LFE and PCM were set to mute. Why would the developers set it to mute from start...
[11:25] <Mamarok> Jack8899: that is not set by the developers, rather a missmatch on startup
[11:26] <Mamarok> and an old sound problem with Kubuntu, coming back for some people with almost every release
[11:26] <Jack8899> Mamarok: Should I report this?
[11:27] <Mamarok> Jack8899: well, AFAIK there should already be a bug on launchpad for that, closed and repoenend numerous times
[11:28] <Jack8899> they should solve this... ;)
[11:40] <Nightrose> anyone here on 4.2.2 to check something for me?
[11:52] <Mamarok> ikonia: there is a freeze with the fglrx driver for ATI though
[11:53] <ikonia> Mamarok: I don't doubt it
[11:53] <Mamarok> that Intel GC issue puzzles me though, he has a card that should work
[12:21] <Quintasan> hiho
[12:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 47133 ... wokaround: move libaudiocd_encoder_lame.so to seperate package
[12:46] <apachelogger> at least the KCM will not show the mp3 stuff then ... and I suppose the same applies for the actual slave
[12:47] <apachelogger> if you do that workaround make sure you add the package to restircted-extras and implement magic so that user gets notified about missing mp3 support upon accessing the slave and/or the kcm
[12:47] <apachelogger> anyway, gotta go
[12:47] <apachelogger> cya
[12:57] <freeflying> anyone here need use scim?
[13:00] <jussi01> not I said the hedgehog...
[13:18] <ryanakca> nixternal: Any luck?
[14:37] <Riddell> yay, kde4libs finally compiled
[14:37] <Riddell> yay, oxygen icons too
[14:37]  * Riddell uploads kdepimlibs
[14:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: any news?
[15:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: got time to sponsor 3 things?
[15:50] <lex79> can you upload this launchpad bug 374290?
[15:50] <lex79> testbuild is ok :)
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> lex79: looking
[15:57] <lex79> many thanks
[16:05] <JontheEchidna> sorry, had to take the phone, really looking now ;-)
[16:24] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: sure
[16:29] <Riddell> yay, kdepimlibs done
[16:29] <Riddell> we're finally getting somewhere with these merges
[16:29]  * Riddell upload kdebases
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> bug 374228
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> bug 372700
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> and bug 373947
[16:30] <Riddell> is that kde 4 konversation?
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> yep
[16:31] <JontheEchidna> meh, kdegraphics beta FTBFS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/168846/
[16:31] <Riddell> libkdcraw/kdcraw.h: No such file or directory
[16:31] <Riddell> shouldn't that be part of kdegraphics
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> ...does this mean kdegraphics has a circular dependency on itself?
[16:32] <Riddell> well suggests its build system is broken
[16:32] <Riddell> look at the includes in the compile line   -I. -I../../../thumbnailers/raw -I../../.. -I../.. -I../../../libs/libkexiv2
[16:32] <Riddell> one of those should point to kdcraw
[16:47] <Lure> anybody else having problem with quassel notifications staying open fowever after upgrade to kde 4.2.3?
[16:51] <Sput> Lure: that is fixed in git (both 0.4 branch and master)
[16:51] <Sput> and will be in 0.4.2 due in a week or two
[16:51] <Lure> Sput: ok, I though kde 4.2.3 broke something in general
[16:51]  * Lure searches for ScottK's ppa ;-)
[16:51] <Sput> Lure: no, they fixed something :)
[16:51] <Sput> Lure: yeah, ScottK has the fix.
[16:52] <Sput> Lure: knotify up to 4.2.3 ignored the persistance flag for notifications, so we didn't notice it being set until they fixed it :)
[16:52] <Lure> Sput: good one ;-)
[16:54]  * Lure restarts quassel to get fix
[16:56] <Lure> Sput: much better now ;-)
[16:57] <JontheEchidna> lex79: uploaded, thanks for your contribution to kubuntu
[16:57] <Sput> :)
[16:57] <Lure> Sput: any plans for "start minimized" option?
[16:57] <lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks
[16:57]  * Lure would prefer to have it started in systray
[16:58] <Sput> Lure: mmmh, I'd like to fix the "remember last state" thingy (which proves amazingly hard to do right since QMainWindow's restoreState() fails)
[16:58] <Sput> that should probably fix that issue
[16:58] <Lure> Sput: that would be even better
[16:58] <Sput> so if you quit quassel while it's minimized, it'll start up like that
[16:58] <Lure> good, just that it is on your radar screen
[17:04] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: were you working on kdegraphics merge?
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's in bzr
[17:06]  * JontheEchidna going out for mother's day lunch
[17:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: super, uploading
[17:07] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have a nice dinner
[17:40] <lex79> Riddell: launchpad bug 373912
[17:40] <Mamarok> apachelogger: ping
[17:50] <nixternal> are we merging in debian's pkg-kde-tools any time soon? I have a package where the .pot file gets eaten and never regenerated
[17:56] <Riddell> nixternal: it got merged ages ago.  is this still ktorrent?
[17:58] <nixternal> kwave
[17:58] <nixternal> ktorrent doing the same thing?
[17:58] <nixternal> derr, I am a moron
[17:58] <nixternal> I grabbed the damn jaunty pkg-kde-tools pkg
[17:59] <Riddell> you'll need to add   export KUBUNTU_NO_DELETE_POT=1
[17:59] <Riddell> to debian/rules
[18:02] <nixternal> oh rock on, thanks for that!
[18:06]  * Mamarok wants her sound back in Jaunty
[18:06] <Mamarok> *arghs*
[18:07] <Mamarok> and Strigi and a lot of other things that should work in kde 4.2.3 and don't btw :(
[18:11] <Riddell> Mamarok: your sound and strigi broke with 4.2.3?
[18:12] <Riddell> lex79: thanks, needs to wait for a few more depends to be uploaded before kdeutils does but with luck that'll happen today
[18:14] <lex79> ok
[18:14] <Riddell> Mamarok: neither phonon nor strigi has changed in 4.2.3
[19:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: no, my sound broke from Jaunty alpha 6, and strigi never started
[19:17] <dtchen> ..."sound broke"?
[19:18] <cbr> snapped in two
[19:18] <Mamarok> well, I sometimes have sound, most of the time not
[19:19] <Mamarok> I get phonon messages of sound switching to . on KDE start, sometimes on Amarok start, sometimes on track change
[19:19] <Mamarok> over all, I have had sound about 10% of the time since I switched to Jaunty
[19:20] <Mamarok> and Strigi never started, even with the workaround in the Nepomuk bug reported in Launchpad, strigi never starts, and Nepomux still uses redland, although sesame2 is installed since the beginning
[19:21] <dtchen> Mamarok: are you unlucky enough to have pulseaudio installed?
[19:23] <Mamarok> dtchen: yes, and I never installed it deliberately, it came in through god knows what, and now I can't get rid of it anymore
[19:23] <Mamarok> and I removed phonodevicesrc numerous times, it always comes back
[19:24] <dtchen> Mamarok: that was release-noted for 9.04; just use "sudo apt-get purge pulseaudio"
[19:24] <Mamarok> did so, it is still is visible in phonon
[19:25] <Mamarok> there is a remaining libpulse package I can't remove without removing all kde
[19:25] <a|wen> Mamarok: libpulse doesn't matter ... just be sure that "pulseaudio" is gone
[19:26] <Mamarok> it is, first thing I removed
[19:26] <Mamarok> then why is it still showing in phonon?
[19:27] <a|wen> Mamarok: "aptitude search pulseaudio" ... is the status of all those "p" ?
[19:27] <Mamarok> and why does phonon try to remove my soundcard every now and then?
[19:27] <Mamarok> a|wen: yes, of course, as I said, I purged it
[19:28] <Mamarok> very handy to help in Amarok development when you don't have sound most of the time
[19:28] <a|wen> Mamarok: and i guess you have tried to remove ".kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc" and start all over?
[19:28] <Mamarok> and we get "no sound" reports in Jaunty for Amarok all the time, not from other distros though...
[19:29] <Mamarok> something is strange somewhere, but where?
[19:30] <a|wen> my sound disappears every time hal is restarted which is pretty annoying ... but luckily not at strange other times anymore (did prior to jaunty release)
[19:30] <dtchen> well, the first place to start is by asking those reporters to use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[19:30] <dtchen> it's a bash script, so please inform them that they need to invoke it explicitly with bash
[19:30] <jjesse> a|wen: i still ma using an older kernel for my sound to work
[19:30] <dtchen> we've cobbled just about everything one needs to know into that script
[19:31] <Mamarok> isn't that script installed already somewhere?
[19:31] <a|wen> jjesse: an intrepid kernel?
[19:32] <jjesse> a|wen: Ubuntu 9.04, kernel 2.6.27-11-generic
[19:33] <a|wen> i had trouble sometime in jaunty development as well ... it worked, but then disappeared sometimes; but it was fixed for me
[19:33] <Mamarok> dtchen: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=33518ebd4020d907539fef201dcae13d12f602a2
[19:35] <Mamarok> dtchen: and of course it tells you that there is no soundcard
[19:35] <Mamarok> although lspci says otherwise
[19:35] <dtchen> huh? there's a recognised sound card
[19:35] <dtchen> see "!!Soundcards recognised by ALSA
[19:37] <dtchen> i'll check if you need any quirks, sec
[19:46] <dtchen> Mamarok: add your user to the audio group, log out and back in
[19:47] <dtchen> Mamarok: when you had pulseaudio installed, it used consolekit to grant @audio permissions to your user
[19:47] <dtchen> Mamarok: now that pulseaudio is no longer running, you need to ensure that your user is in @audio
[19:47] <dtchen> Mamarok: also, you can remove ~/.asoundrc
[19:48] <dtchen> (it's unnecessary)
[19:48] <Mamarok> ok, will do so
[19:49] <Mamarok> there is also a .asoundrc.asoundconf, I guess I don't need this neither?
[19:50] <dtchen> not really, but it's ~/.asoundrc that matters
[19:51] <Mamarok> ok, removed, will log out and report back, sec
[19:51] <Mamarok> if Jaunty actually let's me logout without crashing...
[19:51] <Mamarok> we will see... that never worked till now
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> Could I get a revu please? http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5718
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> huh, no clue why kdeaccessibility FTBFS
[19:59] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: description is a bit negative for plasma-widget-makestatus, should focus on what it can do rather than what it doesn't
[20:00] <Riddell> packaging lovely otherwise
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> I was trying to find a way to be more verbose, but I suppose you're right
[20:00] <Mamarok> dtchen: works great!
[20:00] <Mamarok> mille grazie!
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> it's hard to be verbose with plasmoid package descriptions :(
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> "
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> It will work for all software projects that use CMake as their
[20:01] <JontheEchidna>  build system
[20:02] <Mamarok> learned something :)
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> phonon trouble with kdemultimedia: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26538333/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-i386.kdemultimedia_4%3A4.2.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[20:03] <nalioth> howdy.  I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop.  anyone seen these errors?  http://pastebin.ca/1418048
[20:03] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: is Riddell enough or do you need another revu? ... if so, i can take a look in 15 mins
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: wouldn't hurt I suppose
[20:05]  * a|wen likes "...patience..." being part of a build output
[20:05] <Riddell> "cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/kde4/libkttsd_alsaplugin.so': No such file or directory"  hmm, sound related issue on kdeaccessiblity
[20:05] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ^^ this could be our chance to get dtchen into KDE packaging :)
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> I didn't add or remove that file from any of the .installs, so it might be a lower-down issue
[20:06] <Riddell> well I try and compile it in a bit
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> thx
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> the kdegraphics FTBFS was a stupid issue from me
[20:06] <Riddell> looking at kdemultimedia now, which needs building qt to look at phonon
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> (I accidentally merged the debian docpath for ksnapshot.install
[20:07] <Riddell> it happens, I fixed it
[20:09]  * JontheEchidna wonders if it'd be feasible to get kphotoalbum to its KDE4 version soon so that it doesn't depend on libkdcraw3
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> it's the last rdepend of libkdcraw3
[20:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: plasma-widget-makestatus compiles and installs without problems
[20:10] <JontheEchidna> I should backport that plasmoid, it's neat
[20:12] <apachelogger> pretty please
[20:13] <apachelogger> Mamarok: pong
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> so how many revu's do you need when you are an MOTU?
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: did you have time to look at the audiocd bug?
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: one revu
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: move the plugin to another package?
[20:14] <apachelogger> it's more of political value though, otherwise you will be boned if the package is crap ;-)
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[20:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: and force upstream into fixing it properly
[20:15]  * JontheEchidna was a bit busy merging kdegraphics
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> I'll get on that after I fix FTBFS
[20:15] <apachelogger> really, I think they just didn't refactor the design when they changed from using liblame to the lame binary
[20:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: okies :)
[20:16] <Mamarok> apachelogger: any news?
[20:18] <apachelogger> Mamarok: on?
[20:18] <Mamarok> on the dw packages...
[20:19] <apachelogger> just need to upload them to the ppa
[20:20] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: you need to file an LP bug for it ;P
[20:24] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: apart from that and the description it looks good
[20:24]  * a|wen testbuilds
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. I do need to file a bug...
[20:29] <a|wen> :)
[20:31] <a|wen> argh, crappy debian patching!
[20:32]  * a|wen just needed to get it off his chest
[20:39] <Riddell> jings, will I ever get kdebase-runtime to compile
[20:40]  * a|wen tests getting "hello world" to compile ... cross fingers!
[21:00] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: oh, and a present from lintian: "binary-without-manpage usr/bin/makeinvoker"
[21:12] <nalioth> I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop.  anyone seen these errors?  http://pastebin.ca/1418048
[21:13] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:13] <apachelogger> no
[21:13] <apachelogger> nalioth: does .xsession-errors contain anything useful?
[21:16] <nalioth> apachelogger: none for any kde app
[21:18] <apachelogger> nalioth: my guess is that something with the installation of libqt went wrong
[21:18] <apachelogger> I only know that error in a version-incompability context
[21:18] <apachelogger> nalioth: maybe the google knows more :)
[21:19] <nalioth> i did a apt-get install --reinstall of several libqt components, esp the ones that contain that file it's erroring on
[21:22] <apachelogger> nalioth: try kdelibs5
[21:22]  * jussi01 waves to nalioth - did you sleep well?
[21:22] <apachelogger> a reinstall that is
[21:23] <nalioth> hi jussi01_
[21:26] <nalioth> apachelogger: that did not fix it
[21:27] <apachelogger> no clue then
[21:27] <apachelogger> nalioth: do you use any 3rd party repositories?
[21:28] <nalioth> apachelogger: this is a fresh install, and i've not added any 3d party stuff yet (although i'm weird and usually only add deb-src repos and have apt-get compile it)
[21:29] <apachelogger> well, maybe that is the problem :)
[21:34] <nalioth> apachelogger: not having any 3d party repos is causing the problem?
[21:34] <nalioth> i don't consider universe and multiverse to be 3d party repos
[21:39] <apachelogger> nalioth: nah, the apt-get compiling ;-)
[21:40] <jussi01> apachelogger: but he hasnt done that yet on this install?
[21:40] <apachelogger> well
[21:40] <apachelogger> I am clueless anyway
[21:40] <apachelogger> that issue is way too weird
[21:45] <nalioth> no, not weird.
[21:45] <nalioth> i have missed my calling as "product tester", because if it can generate a weird error, it happens to me
[21:49] <nixternal> go back to your ppc!
[21:50] <jussi01> nixternal: I told you to be nice!!!
[21:50] <nixternal> it is nalioth, we are never nice!
[21:51] <nixternal> brlcad build is causing smoke to rise from the keyboard....B E A S T ! ! !
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> shouldn't update-notifier-kde at least recommend kpackagekit?
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> several gnomies are whining ;-)
[22:01] <Riddell> yes
[22:01] <Riddell> although i'm surprised they have update-notifier-kde installed
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> oh
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> with KDE 4.3 persistent notifications work again, so we may want to look in to using Kpackagekit's notifications for 9.10
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> update-notifier-kde is somewhat of a pig when it comes to checking for updates... but maybe that's update-notifier-common's problem ;-)
[22:44] <Riddell> qt has been linking for the last hour
[22:44] <Riddell> just linking one library
[22:44] <Riddell> something suspicious going on, even qt isn't that bad
[22:49] <claydoh> Riddell: will there be any new KDE packages for Intrepid?
[22:49] <Riddell> nope
[22:50] <claydoh> cool, thanks
[22:56] <jussi01> Riddell: have you seen nalioth's issue? I was curious if you had seen it before/knew what could cause it
[22:57] <jussi01> [23:12:56] <nalioth> I have a fresh install of jaunty (from an Ubuntu iso image) and have apt-gotten kubuntu-desktop.  anyone seen these errors?  http://pastebin.ca/1418048
[23:01] <Riddell> jussi01: no I don't think I have
[23:02] <Riddell> well, we do have a patch about loading qt localisation stuff for packages compiled on qt 4.4 and running qt 4.5
[23:02] <Riddell> maybe he's running something compiled with qt 4.4
[23:02] <nalioth> Riddell: this is as delivered via apt-get on a new install
[23:03] <jussi01> Riddell: but how can that be - its a clean install?
[23:04] <Riddell> couldn't say
[23:04] <Riddell> it shouldn't be different from a standalone kubuntu-desktop install
[23:05] <nalioth> i am available for any testing
[23:05] <Riddell> does it cause any problems?
[23:07] <nalioth> other than none of those programs start?
[23:07] <nalioth> i've not sat and checked every kde program for this, but those 3 i use regularly
[23:08] <dtchen> just for amusement, has strace -f helped?
[23:09] <nalioth> i am a t-da about this stuff.  can you elaborate?
[23:10] <dtchen> strace -f theapp
[23:10] <dtchen> you may wish to use strace -f -o somelogfile theapp
[23:13] <nalioth> yeah, the > isn't working  :(
[23:14] <dtchen> yeah, strace requires the -o
[23:16] <nalioth> http://pastebin.ca/1418697   dtchen
[23:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: used whatever is currently in bzr
[23:49] <dtchen> nalioth: sorry, reading now