[01:19] hi, I'm trying to follow the instructions on editing PGP keys [01:19] but it's failing at the send-key step saying it doesn't know of any keyservers [01:19] the page doesn't provide one to send it to though [01:20] the instructions on launchpad.net/~username/+editphpkeys [01:20] launchpad.net/~username/+editpgpkeys rather :) [01:25] ror: Try '--keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com', or see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey [01:26] thanks [01:27] yay, worked great thanks [01:42] grrr now it's trying to generate a sig using my old email address :( [01:42] I've changed the "default key" in ubuntu's settings but that's not helped and I can't work out from the man page how to pick the right one! [01:47] ror: 'it'? [01:54] I mean gpg --clearsign foo is trying to use my old email address; there's a gpg --default-key option but I can't get my head around that; I'll wander over to #pgp :) === ripps_ is now known as ripps [02:59] i got the following error trying to upload my package "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused" [02:59] any thoughts? [03:02] launchpad is refusing my ppa upload... related to the bug? [03:02] vadi2, i just had the same problem [03:03] did you get an [Errno 111]? [03:03] yeah. [03:04] whats the email address for send merge requests to ? [03:04] https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review#Proposing%20a%20merge doesn't seem to list it.. [03:05] vadi2, same error that i got [03:06] hi folks where is the core of launchpad to download? i tried with lauchpad-project but i see many branchs [03:07] pretty sure "your own launchpad" isn't an option yet [03:08] ovnicraft: the lp source code hasn't been released yet. Its coming soon [03:08] vadi2, so what more tools i can use, i get my own loggerhead :) [03:09] you can get your own loggerhead, yeah [03:09] ovnicraft: you could just use launchpad :) [03:10] * ovnicraft is lp user :) [03:11] Indeed, germanium's poppy seems to be broken, so PPA uploads are impossible. [03:12] lifeless: merge@code.launchpad.net is the address, but I don't remember how I discovered that. [03:12] wgrant: right [03:12] wgrant: I've filed a bug ;) [03:13] lifeless: I suppose there isn't much chance of finding a LOSA for a PPA upload issue on a weekend, is there? [03:14] someone should be getting pages [03:14] how can you tell its germanium [03:15] lifeless: Because germanium is ppa.launchpad.net, AFAIK. [03:15] wgrant: so you're speculating ? :) [03:15] lifeless: No, the PTR tells me I'm right. [03:16] no, I mean about the cause [03:16] that its poppy specifically [03:16] anyhow, we can escalate [03:16] poppy is the FTP server, and it has a habit of dieing unexpectedly. [03:16] how long has it been down [03:16] And I don't have much faith in the alerts, unless things have changed recently. [03:17] you gotta have faith, faith, faith [03:17] I only noticed it 10 minutes ago, but the earliest report in here is nearly 20 minutes ago. [03:17] ok... hopefully will be up soon [03:17] so you're getting errors connecting to ftp? [03:17] i do [03:18] ok [03:18] lifeless: Yes, ppa.launchpad.net:21 is refusing connections. [03:18] error 111, connection refuse [03:18] I've sent a pst [03:19] I'll look up the escalation details in 10 or 15; it is sunday after all and I need lunch [03:19] lifeless: Thanks. [03:20] lifeless, thnx. [03:34] wgrant: still down? [03:37] lifeless, yeap, still down. [03:41] blacknred0: please try now [03:42] lifeless, ;) now it worked :) [03:42] thnx [03:42] thanks spm [03:42] lifeless: np [03:43] yay. and codebounce is showing red for 3 mins as well. [03:48] Thanks spm, lifeless. [07:04] hi [07:04] is there a rosetta developer here? [08:39] OOPS-1226E348 [08:39] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1226E348 [08:39] when translating with edge disabled [08:39] Hi all [08:40] can I upload my ppa for Debian? [08:40] instead of Ubuntu [08:40] box02: yes [08:40] launchpad != ubuntu [08:40] Kmos: how, could you please tell me? [08:41] box02: except for PPA there aren't Debian suites. [08:42] but he can test the package to see if it will work in debian :) [08:42] sure, but that's not the same [08:42] LarstiQ; so, they would be only for Ubuntu. [08:42] box02: not exactly [08:42] aha [08:43] box02: the thing you are missing is a complete mirror of Debian, which means you can't use build-dependencies as they are in Debian [08:43] so I shouldn't upload for Debian, isn't it? [08:43] box02: better to configure an debian pbuilder in your machine [08:43] box02: but if you make a package that works on Ubuntu and Debian, then you could tell your Debian users to use that Ubuntu package [08:43] LarstiQ: aha [08:43] box02: there certainly is a desire to make Debian more of a first-class citizen [08:44] LarstiQ: aha [08:44] thank you so much Kmos and LarstiQ :) [08:44] np [08:45] translations should be broken is some way [08:45] OOPS-1226A421 [08:45] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/1226A421 [08:46] and also my package is not authenticated when I installed from synaptic package manager, Is that normal? [08:47] although I imported the repository key to synaptic keyring. [08:48] sorry for my english [08:48] your english is understandable, don't worry. [08:48] thanks :) [08:49] box02: I haven't kept track of the package signing, I thought all PPAs were supposed to sign new packages nowadays. [08:49] box02: does it say it is signed but you don't have the key, or it isn't signed? [08:50] I mean I uploaded my ppa to launchpad with my signature to our team ppa [08:50] the package was accepted. [08:50] box02: ah, the binaries that ppa build get signed with a key that is only in Launchpad, not the same key you signed your source upload with. [08:51] box02: it would be scary if they did, since Launchpad is not supposed to have your secret key. [08:51] box02: is that what you were asking? [08:52] yeah, it is. [08:52] but I signed my package with my email and launchpad ID key [08:53] but my team ppa repository key is another one. [08:53] * LarstiQ nods [08:55] box02: you should use your PPA key, because Launchpad don't know your private key [08:55] better.. it knows... it just can't use the secret key, only the public one [08:55] * LarstiQ blinks [08:55] Kmos: excuse me? [08:56] LarstiQ: hmmm.. maybe wrong [08:56] you use your own key to sign package uploads with, it is the only key you have that Launchpad can identify you with (assuming you've told it it is yours) [08:57] yes [08:57] I did it with my key as you said [08:57] box02: then you did good :) [08:57] :) [08:58] yes I did good and uploading is also accepted. [08:58] but why it is un-authenticate in synaptic package manager? [08:59] let's say .. like when I install skype before [09:00] you've followed these instructions? "This repository is signed with __KEY_HERE__ OpenPGP key. Follow these instructions for installing packages from this PPA." [09:00] some package like skype , it shows me un-authenticate. [09:01] Kmos: so this mean, uploading with my key .. but installing with PPA repository key, right? [09:01] box02: yes [09:01] box02: is it a package you've uploaded a long time ago, or recently? [09:01] box02: right [09:01] LarstiQ + Kmos: aha [09:02] I uploaded it recently [09:02] box02: if recently, I don't know what is going on, and would file a question on launchpad (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion) [09:02] box02: because you upload with your public key. and repository has another key. [09:03] yes. [09:03] Kmos: afaik unauthenticated happens when it isn't signed at all [09:03] which is not what I'd expect [09:03] box02: which package/ppa is this? [09:03] I can show you my package [09:03] https://launchpad.net/~zawgyi-kb/+archive/ppa [09:04] there is [09:04] you can see [09:04] my key and the ppa repo key are not the same [09:05] LarstiQ: maybe some problem with soyuz [09:05] the package is signed, no doubt [09:06] I uploaded my package not to my PPA, but to my team PPA [09:06] yes Kmos [09:09] box02: I'd ask the Launchpad people, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion [09:09] * LarstiQ can't see what is going on [09:09] box02: so isn't the repository you mentioned [09:10] LarstiQ: yes I will ask them. [09:11] Kmos: I mean ,, my public key ID is 00F020A6, [09:12] the ID key 1024R/55E16302 is to install the package [09:12] is there something wrong? [09:13] should be the same? [09:13] box02: no.. your key is only yours, the launchpad PPA (personal or team), each one has a different key [09:14] you need to import your team ppa key to your system. [09:14] Kmos: I did that: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 55E16302 [09:15] Kmos: yes, I import it to my system ( my gpa and also my synaptic package manager ) [09:15] Kmos: but still apt-get complained it couldn't authenticate it [09:15] LarstiQ: Did you apt-get update afterwards? [09:15] wgrant: ooh, good point [09:15] LarstiQ: the signatures are only checked at update-time; Release.gpg isn't stored locally AFAIK. [09:15] wgrant: now I did, still unauthenticated [09:16] LarstiQ: Alright, let's see what I can discover. [09:16] Ah. [09:16] That PPA isn't signed. [09:17] yes, what should I do for it? [09:17] And I only know of one way that can happen - the latest publishing happened before the key was generated. [09:17] So, if you delete and restore (using the 'Copy packages' feature), it will be signed. [09:18] (the PPA key is generated by a separate cron job, so PPAs don't actually have keys initially) [09:18] can that happen when, as box02 said, the package was recently uploaded? [09:18] ah ok [09:18] If it was uploaded moments after the PPA was created, it's quite possible. [09:18] so I copy it to another ppa and delete,, paste back to the old place, isn't it? [09:18] box02: You can just delete it, and copy the deleted package back into your archive. No need to copy it elsewhere first; you can copy deleted sources. [09:19] Bonus points for doing it in the next 50 seconds. [09:19] (if you do, it will be signed in just a couple of minutes) [09:19] wowwwwwwwwwwwww [09:19] I will do it :) :D [09:20] this could be :) [09:20] thank you so much you all :) [09:20] I appreciate you all very much :) [09:20] I suspect it's a bug that it let it publish before the key existed, though. [09:20] yes, [09:20] I could be exactly [09:21] thanks a lot wgrant. :) [09:21] box02: np [09:21] I will do it :) [09:37] I can't get on lists.launchpad.net. Is that just me or can you guys not do it either? [09:37] It says the security certificate expired yesterday [09:37] im using epiphany [09:39] bencrisford: There's a bug filed; apparently they changed over the main servers, but missed a couple. [09:40] bencrisford_: There's a bug filed; apparently they changed over the main servers, but missed a couple. [09:41] wgrant: how do you find out about all this stuff? [09:41] i guess you actually read bugmail, unlike me [09:41] ... [09:41] mwhudson: I read bugmail. [09:42] private-ppa and lists at least were missed. [09:42] wgrant: for all of launchpad-project? [09:44] mwhudson: rosetta and various other bits get hidden away, but I do read most of it. It doesn't take long, means I know what's going on, and can complain early if people are doing something questionable. [09:44] i think party of my problem is thunderbird, actually [09:44] (and imapssl to london) [09:45] mwhudson: I ditched Thunderbird for Evolution a few months ago. IMAP with TLS to the US, here, and it's quite usable. [09:46] Evolution has improved a lot over the past 18 months or so. [09:49] wgrant: interesting [09:50] mwhudson: Plus Evolution doesn't look awful. [09:53] oh look thunderbird is grey and non-responive [09:53] mwhudson: Mozilla products love to do that :( [09:53] oh, other detail: i have no idea what my work email password is :) [09:54] Heh. [09:56] oh tbird can tell me [10:07] * mwhudson thinks about the relative size of all his mail and his monthly download limit [10:09] mwhudson: try the ssss package :) [10:09] savvas: ? [10:10] http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/demo.html [10:10] you split your passwords in 10 different strings [10:10] and if you have say 7 of them (threshold) you get to see it :P [10:11] hmm [10:12] Hi Hi [10:12] (ssss is binary in terminal btw) [10:12] box02: Did it work? [10:12] wowwwwwww [10:13] it is fantastic :D [10:13] it works perfectly :D [10:13] Now I got Authenticated :D [10:13] box02: Excellent. [10:13] thank you so much indeed wgrant !! :) [10:13] wgrant: you haven't looked at evo's code, obviously. [10:14] You're geek !! :) [10:14] lifeless: I remember you complaining while hacking it at UDS... [10:14] wgrant: yes :) [10:14] I'm happy now. [10:14] box02: Bug #374395 [10:14] Launchpad bug 374395 in soyuz "New PPAs can be published unsigned" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374395 [10:15] wgrant: aha [10:15] wgrant: I really should overhaul the damn thing, wouldn't be that hard : write good nonblocking code from the start [10:15] how I can check? [10:15] lifeless: But Evo works better than TB. And I don't imagine TB's code is pretty either. [10:15] box02: Check what? [10:15] wgrant: BUT, I know that trap. been down it before (VCS's) [10:15] lifeless: Heh. [10:15] wgrant: that bug? [10:15] box02: What do you mean by 'check'? [10:16] wgrant: fix? [10:16] ;) [10:16] wgrant, lifeless: it's a mua, of course almost everything about it is terrible [10:16] wgrant: I would like to know where I see that bug report? [10:17] mwhudson: yes, of course. [10:17] box02: See the link that ubottu posted a second later. [10:17] mind you I have enough hobby projects for now. [10:17] and the next 1000 years or so [10:17] mwhudson: True, true. [10:17] wgrant: aha [10:17] back to libvfs I go [10:17] nearly at the point of having all the core idioms sorted out [10:18] lifeless: i'm not sure that anything involving a hobby project can significantly affect the mua landscape :/ [10:18] mwhudson: there's a theory that good libraries can make apps better [10:18] true [10:18] theres another theory that both thunderbird and evo are huge piles of NIH [10:19] lifeless: What did they reinvent? [10:19] wgrant: smtp, pop3, imap4, mail folder indexing, mail folder caching, io operation cancelling [10:20] wgrant: off the top of my head and without looking for other things [10:20] lifeless: Shh. [10:20] wgrant: I see that bug report now. [10:21] Thanks for the quick triage on that, cprov. [10:21] wgrant: I have to write something there? [10:21] wgrant: for instance. 'camel'. [10:21] wgrant: thank you for filing the bug and helping box02. [10:21] box02: No, I was just pointing it out to you. [10:21] cprov: np [10:21] wgrant: thanks wgrant for your help [10:22] wgrant: for instance. libsmtp. [10:22] lifeless: I've heard of that, but I don't want to go into the inner workings of my least-hated mail client, as that would mean finding out just how bad it is... [10:22] apt-get install libsmtp [10:22] -> fail [10:22] perl at least has a library [10:23] box02: np [10:23] wgrant: :-) [10:23] and just continuing to grovel, I find libetpan13. Totally unobvious name [10:23] lifeless: I'm not sure it's awfully easy to write a universally useful high-level C networking library. [10:24] wgrant: layers are good [10:24] ok well, bye for now all, see you. Have a nice day! [10:24] box02: See you. [10:24] bye wgrant, see you. [10:24] also 'do one thing well'. etpan does smtp + pop3 + nntp + imap + mbox/mh/maildir + MIME [10:24] Right, that doesn't seem smart. [10:24] totally conflated with lots of stuff [10:25] SMTP + POP3 + IMAP, perhaps. [10:25] nooo [10:25] SMTP. [10:25] do it well, do it right. [10:25] if there is common code for pop3, have two libraries. I hear libraries can depend. [10:26] Few do. [10:41] cprov: For the PPA build status indicator, is the publishing data only required to show when the binaries are awaiting publishing? [10:42] wgrant: yes [10:42] wgrant: one of the built-in status of the PPA build-status icon. [10:43] cprov: Hrm. [10:44] wgrant: do you think we should continue to present rejected uploaded in that list ? [10:44] I can see why that join would be expensive. [10:44] cprov: I don't think there's any point in showing them, no. [10:44] cprov: Is it showing all SPRs? [10:45] wgrant: yes, in a very rudimentary/broken selection approach. [10:45] cprov: That explains things. [10:45] Anyway, I don't think rejected uploads should be shown, because they don't really exist. [10:46] wgrant: exactly, they are not something that should concern users visiting that specific page [10:48] cprov: And I suppose that join wouldn't be too expensive. [10:48] cprov: what do you think of showing builder status on the build record page, rather than having to click through? [10:49] Hmmm, interesting confusion by vila in bug #289148. It appears to not be obvious enough that the bit in the signature is actually the description of the bug. [10:49] Launchpad bug 289148 in launchpad-registry "Can't figure out how to upload ssh keys" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289148 [10:49] wgrant: it's manageable in the PPA pages, it should be ok on Person:+packages too. [10:50] cprov: Particularly as +packages only shows 90 SPRs at most. [10:50] lifeless: it is presented, isn't it ? as text, not a fancy icon [10:50] cprov: I mean the log [10:50] lifeless: You mean the build log tail> [10:50] Right. [10:50] I've always thought that would make sense. [10:50] cprov: if its building, the status is useless without looking at the log :) [10:51] well useless is harsh [10:51] And be particularly nice if it actually stored the build log progressively, and did AJAX updates like the OpenSUSE Build Service. [10:51] I mean, it would be much nicer not to have to click to see that its up to in the build [10:51] lifeless: oh, misread your comment. Showing the buildlog tail on 'building' build pages ... Yes, good idea. [10:52] lifeless: otherwise you always have to go to the builder page. [10:53] wgrant: uhm, yes, that's cool, but megs of text in a postgres row is bad. [10:54] cprov: That's true, and I suppose librarian doesn't really fit. [10:55] wgrant: yes, but we can 'find a way' ... it's not rocket-science, afterall. [10:57] * wgrant -> dinner [11:01] lifeless: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/194262 [11:01] Ubuntu bug 194262 in soyuz "Page for build that hasn't finished is cryptic about its status" [Medium,Triaged] [11:06] cprov: ah, just dup my new bug then [11:07] cprov: surely its just the current tail, but use ajax to refresh [11:07] could optimise by also storing a 'byte offset' counter in the db; if the offset overlaps with what the client alrady has only send some of the tail snapshot [11:07] otherwise send it all [11:08] lifeless: right, please comment that in the bug :) [11:09] which one? [11:17] cprov: which bug should I put that comment in [11:18] lifeless: add that to the same bug (194262) [12:06] cprov: bug 374412 - should I dup that with 194262? [12:06] Launchpad bug 374412 in soyuz "show build tail on build record pages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374412 [12:07] lifeless: yes, sure. [12:07] I filed that before you looked up the other :) [12:09] lifeless: right, the old one has other features that will be nice to have. [12:11] shiny new dup window [12:16] wgrant: thanks about the ppa key cronjob btw, I learned something :) [12:22] LarstiQ: The bug has a more informative answer from cprov; did you see it? [12:23] wgrant: no, I'll go read some backlog [12:23] Bug #374395 [12:23] Launchpad bug 374395 in soyuz "New PPAs can be published unsigned" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/374395 [12:23] LarstiQ: ^^ [12:25] hi, where is it supposed to add arm support to ppa? [12:27] wgrant: thanks [12:32] goshawk: I believe an architecture can only be supported for PPA building if it is supported for virtualisation using Xen. I think there's an ongoing project to port Xen to ARM, but it's not there yet. [12:32] wgrant: Opensuse/Opensource build system does it pretty good, can't launchpad use the same technology [12:33] ? [12:35] http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2525419053.html [12:38] Ah, finally found something useful. [12:38] It looks like they're using qemu; that's workable, but probably very slow. [12:38] http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/11/18/arm-support-for-opensuse-buildservice-and-opensuse/ [12:39] cprov: Have you any existing armel PPA plans? [12:40] wgrant: no concrete plans yet, but I'm expecting some pressure on it during UDS [12:41] cprov: That's what I suspected. [12:41] wgrant: qemu is an alternative, but I'm not sure we can use it in the same way we do for xen-machines [12:42] well, i'm working with OBS [12:42] and it's very fast [12:42] i think that it uses kvm [12:42] cprov: How would it be different? [12:42] KVM cannot work across architectures (except i386/amd64) [12:43] and i've to build packages in ppa and then import in OBS for armv5 [12:43] wgrant: qemu would run within our xen-instance to guarantee security [12:44] s/security/isolation [12:44] cprov: I suppose that's a good idea. But that only makes it a little bit different. [12:45] wgrant: right, maybe that's not much ... [12:48] If only Soyuz was to be open source like OBS... [12:52] * cprov escapes for lunch ... [12:54] cprov: What are you doing in here on a weekend, anyway? === soeb1 is now known as soeb === qball is now known as Qbal === Qbal is now known as Qball === asac_ is now known as asac [14:40] gnight [14:42] Night lifeless. === deadoomik|sleep is now known as deadoomik [15:43] could an admin review our .pot template? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gmpc/trunk/+imports [16:33] ANy launchpad site problems known? for some reason i click on Save Changes on bug report and it doesnt change. lower left corner of browser says done and doesnt change as well. [16:52] it looks as if its only bug pages [16:55] thats odd it works in seamonkey but not firefox [17:13] Hello, Could anyone help me with this : https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/70669 , thanks :) [17:22] RachedTN: how active is the project? it could be moved, but that will require a Launchpad admin. if the project doesn't have a lot of data yet, you could just create a new project with the correct name and close the other. [17:24] mneptok: the project is very avtive and it contains a lot of data. [17:26] RachedTN: understood. i guess you need a Launchpad admin. [17:26] mneptok: yes :) [17:26] * mneptok is not one. sorry. [17:27] thanks for the answer :) , I will wait :) [17:28] hamdulillah [17:37] wgrant: I was intimidated by your last comment :) [17:39] RachedTN, there usually isn't someone around on the weekends to help you rename projects, but come Monday, this will probably get dealt with. [17:39] rockstar: ok, thnks [17:39] and keep the good works guys :) === zirpu2 is now known as zirpu [19:28] hi all, I have uploaded packages to my PPA but I have not had any emails yet, is it just been slow? [19:48] AdamDH: upload processing takes place every 5 minutes, allow time for the email to reach you after that, considering how slow/fast your email provider is at getting incoming email to your inbox [19:49] If you still don't have anything, be very certain that the .changes file was correctly signed with a key known to launchpad - if it isn't, you won't get any feedback at all. [19:51] thanks maxb I will check [20:20] thanks again maxb looks like my key was wrong [20:51] I am a little confused I am trying to upload hal-applesmc - 0.14-0ubuntu1~mactel-support1~jaunty1 hal-applesmc - 0.14-0ubuntu1~mactel-support1~intrepid1 but the intrepid one keeps getting rejected with is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. Any ideas why? [21:21] AdamDH: Because you uploaded that version in March ? === beuno_ is now known as beuno [21:54] What's the dput option to tell it not to upload the orig.tar.gz (since the orig.tar.gz is the same as the one in karmic repositories)? [21:54] (I've read the man page and googled to no avail) [21:55] loic-m: It's not actually a dput option. You make this decision at the time of building the .changes file [21:56] maxb: thanks. So it's just an option of debuild? [21:56] -sd I think [21:56] -sa it is [21:56] or you can edit the .changes manually and re-sign it [21:57] artfwo: No, -sa is the opposite [21:57]