[01:19] <ror> hi, I'm trying to follow the instructions on editing PGP keys
[01:19] <ror> but it's failing at the send-key step saying it doesn't know of any keyservers
[01:19] <ror> the page doesn't provide one to send it to though
[01:20] <ror> the instructions on launchpad.net/~username/+editphpkeys
[01:20] <ror> launchpad.net/~username/+editpgpkeys rather :)
[01:25] <wgrant> ror: Try '--keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com', or see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ImportingYourPGPKey
[01:26] <ror> thanks
[01:27] <ror> yay, worked great thanks
[01:42] <ror> grrr now it's trying to generate a sig using my old email address :(
[01:42] <ror> I've changed the "default key" in ubuntu's settings but that's not helped and I can't work out from the man page how to pick the right one!
[01:47] <wgrant> ror: 'it'?
[01:54] <ror> I mean gpg --clearsign foo is trying to use my old email address; there's a gpg --default-key option but I can't get my head around that; I'll wander over to #pgp :)
[02:59] <blacknred0> i got the following error trying to upload my package "Connection failed, aborting. Check your network [Errno 111] Connection refused"
[02:59] <blacknred0> any thoughts?
[03:02] <vadi2> launchpad is refusing my ppa upload... related to the bug?
[03:02] <blacknred0> vadi2, i just had the same problem
[03:03] <blacknred0> did you get an [Errno 111]?
[03:03] <vadi2> yeah.
[03:04] <lifeless> whats the email address for send merge requests to ?
[03:04] <lifeless> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Review#Proposing%20a%20merge doesn't seem to list it..
[03:05] <blacknred0> vadi2, same error that i got
[03:06] <ovnicraft> hi folks where is the core of launchpad to download? i tried with lauchpad-project but i see many branchs
[03:07] <vadi2> pretty sure "your own launchpad" isn't an option yet
[03:08] <lifeless> ovnicraft: the lp source code hasn't been released yet. Its coming soon
[03:08] <ovnicraft> vadi2, so what more tools i can use, i get my own loggerhead :)
[03:09] <vadi2> you can get your own loggerhead, yeah
[03:09] <lifeless> ovnicraft: you could just use launchpad :)
[03:10]  * ovnicraft is lp user :)
[03:11] <wgrant> Indeed, germanium's poppy seems to be broken, so PPA uploads are impossible.
[03:12] <wgrant> lifeless: merge@code.launchpad.net is the address, but I don't remember how I discovered that.
[03:12] <lifeless> wgrant: right
[03:12] <lifeless> wgrant: I've filed a bug ;)
[03:13] <wgrant> lifeless: I suppose there isn't much chance of finding a LOSA for a PPA upload issue on a weekend, is there?
[03:14] <lifeless> someone should be getting pages
[03:14] <lifeless> how can you tell its germanium
[03:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Because germanium is ppa.launchpad.net, AFAIK.
[03:15] <lifeless> wgrant: so you're speculating ? :)
[03:15] <wgrant> lifeless: No, the PTR tells me I'm right.
[03:16] <lifeless> no, I mean about the cause
[03:16] <lifeless> that its poppy specifically
[03:16] <lifeless> anyhow, we can escalate
[03:16] <wgrant> poppy is the FTP server, and it has a habit of dieing unexpectedly.
[03:16] <lifeless> how long has it been down
[03:16] <wgrant> And I don't have much faith in the alerts, unless things have changed recently.
[03:17] <lifeless> you gotta have faith, faith, faith
[03:17] <wgrant> I only noticed it 10 minutes ago, but the earliest report in here is nearly 20 minutes ago.
[03:17] <blacknred0> ok... hopefully will be up soon
[03:17] <lifeless> so you're getting errors connecting to ftp?
[03:17] <blacknred0> i do
[03:18] <lifeless> ok
[03:18] <wgrant> lifeless: Yes, ppa.launchpad.net:21 is refusing connections.
[03:18] <blacknred0> error 111, connection refuse
[03:18] <lifeless> I've sent a pst
[03:19] <lifeless> I'll look up the escalation details in 10 or 15; it is sunday after all and I need lunch
[03:19] <wgrant> lifeless: Thanks.
[03:20] <blacknred0> lifeless, thnx.
[03:34] <lifeless> wgrant: still down?
[03:37] <blacknred0> lifeless, yeap, still down.
[03:41] <lifeless> blacknred0: please try now
[03:42] <blacknred0> lifeless, ;) now it worked :)
[03:42] <blacknred0> thnx
[03:42] <lifeless> thanks spm
[03:42] <spm> lifeless: np
[03:43] <spm> yay. and codebounce is showing red for 3 mins as well.
[03:48] <wgrant> Thanks spm, lifeless.
[07:04] <sianis> hi
[07:04] <sianis> is there a rosetta developer here?
[08:39] <Kmos> OOPS-1226E348
[08:39] <Kmos> when translating with edge disabled
[08:39] <box02> Hi all
[08:40] <box02> can I upload my ppa for Debian?
[08:40] <box02> instead of Ubuntu
[08:40] <Kmos> box02: yes
[08:40] <Kmos> launchpad != ubuntu
[08:40] <box02> Kmos: how, could you please tell me?
[08:41] <LarstiQ> box02: except for PPA there aren't Debian suites.
[08:42] <Kmos> but he can test the package to see if it will work in debian :)
[08:42] <LarstiQ> sure, but that's not the same
[08:42] <box02> LarstiQ; so, they would be only for Ubuntu.
[08:42] <LarstiQ> box02: not exactly
[08:42] <box02> aha
[08:43] <LarstiQ> box02: the thing you are missing is a complete mirror of Debian, which means you can't use build-dependencies as they are in Debian
[08:43] <box02> so I shouldn't upload for Debian, isn't it?
[08:43] <Kmos> box02: better to configure an debian pbuilder in your machine
[08:43] <LarstiQ> box02: but if you make a package that works on Ubuntu and Debian, then you could tell your Debian users to use that Ubuntu package
[08:43] <box02> LarstiQ: aha
[08:43] <LarstiQ> box02: there certainly is a desire to make Debian more of a first-class citizen
[08:44] <box02> LarstiQ: aha
[08:44] <box02> thank you so much Kmos and LarstiQ :)
[08:44] <Kmos> np
[08:45] <Kmos> translations should be broken is some way
[08:45] <Kmos> OOPS-1226A421
[08:46] <box02> and also my package is not authenticated when I installed from synaptic package manager, Is that normal?
[08:47] <box02> although I imported the repository key to synaptic keyring.
[08:48] <box02> sorry for my english
[08:48] <LarstiQ> your english is understandable, don't worry.
[08:48] <box02> thanks :)
[08:49] <LarstiQ> box02: I haven't kept track of the package signing, I thought all PPAs were supposed to sign new packages nowadays.
[08:49] <LarstiQ> box02: does it say it is signed but you don't have the key, or it isn't signed?
[08:50] <box02> I mean I uploaded my ppa to launchpad with my signature to our team ppa
[08:50] <box02> the package was accepted.
[08:50] <LarstiQ> box02: ah, the binaries that ppa build get signed with a key that is only in Launchpad, not the same key you signed your source upload with.
[08:51] <LarstiQ> box02: it would be scary if they did, since Launchpad is not supposed to have your secret key.
[08:51] <LarstiQ> box02: is that what you were asking?
[08:52] <box02> yeah, it is.
[08:52] <box02> but I signed my package with my email and launchpad ID key
[08:53] <box02> but my team ppa repository key is another one.
[08:53]  * LarstiQ nods
[08:55] <Kmos> box02: you should use your PPA key, because Launchpad don't know your private key
[08:55] <Kmos> better.. it knows... it just can't use the secret key, only the public one
[08:55]  * LarstiQ blinks
[08:55] <LarstiQ> Kmos: excuse me?
[08:56] <Kmos> LarstiQ: hmmm.. maybe wrong
[08:56] <LarstiQ> you use your own key to sign package uploads with, it is the only key you have that Launchpad can identify you with (assuming you've told it it is yours)
[08:57] <box02> yes
[08:57] <box02> I did it with my key as you said
[08:57] <LarstiQ> box02: then you did good :)
[08:57] <box02> :)
[08:58] <box02> yes I did good and uploading is also accepted.
[08:58] <box02> but why it is un-authenticate in synaptic package manager?
[08:59] <box02> let's say .. like when I install skype before
[09:00] <Kmos> you've followed these instructions? "This repository is signed with __KEY_HERE__ OpenPGP key. Follow these instructions  for installing packages from this PPA."
[09:00] <box02> some package like skype , it shows me un-authenticate.
[09:01] <box02> Kmos: so this mean, uploading with my key .. but installing with PPA repository key, right?
[09:01] <LarstiQ> box02: yes
[09:01] <LarstiQ> box02: is it a package you've uploaded a long time ago, or recently?
[09:01] <Kmos> box02: right
[09:01] <box02> LarstiQ + Kmos: aha
[09:02] <box02> I uploaded it recently
[09:02] <LarstiQ> box02: if recently, I don't know what is going on, and would file a question on launchpad (https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion)
[09:02] <Kmos> box02: because you upload with your public key. and repository has another key.
[09:03] <box02> yes.
[09:03] <LarstiQ> Kmos: afaik unauthenticated happens when it isn't signed at all
[09:03] <LarstiQ> which is not what I'd expect
[09:03] <LarstiQ> box02: which package/ppa is this?
[09:03] <box02> I can show you my package
[09:03] <box02> https://launchpad.net/~zawgyi-kb/+archive/ppa
[09:04] <box02> there is
[09:04] <box02> you can see
[09:04] <box02> my key and the ppa repo key are not the same
[09:05] <Kmos> LarstiQ: maybe some problem with soyuz
[09:05] <Kmos> the package is signed, no doubt
[09:06] <box02> I uploaded my package not to my PPA, but to my team PPA
[09:06] <box02> yes Kmos
[09:09] <LarstiQ> box02: I'd ask the Launchpad people, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[09:09]  * LarstiQ can't see what is going on
[09:09] <Kmos> box02: so isn't the repository you mentioned
[09:10] <box02> LarstiQ: yes I will ask them.
[09:11] <box02> Kmos: I mean ,, my public key ID is 00F020A6,
[09:12] <box02> the ID key  1024R/55E16302 is to install the package
[09:12] <box02> is there something wrong?
[09:13] <box02> should be the same?
[09:13] <Kmos> box02: no.. your key is only yours, the launchpad PPA (personal or team), each one has a different key
[09:14] <Kmos> you need to import your team ppa key to your system.
[09:14] <LarstiQ> Kmos: I did that: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-key 55E16302
[09:15] <box02> Kmos: yes, I import it to my system ( my gpa and also my synaptic package manager )
[09:15] <LarstiQ> Kmos: but still apt-get complained it couldn't authenticate it
[09:15] <wgrant> LarstiQ: Did you apt-get update afterwards?
[09:15] <LarstiQ> wgrant: ooh, good point
[09:15] <wgrant> LarstiQ: the signatures are only checked at update-time; Release.gpg isn't stored locally AFAIK.
[09:15] <LarstiQ> wgrant: now I did, still unauthenticated
[09:16] <wgrant> LarstiQ: Alright, let's see what I can discover.
[09:16] <wgrant> Ah.
[09:16] <wgrant> That PPA isn't signed.
[09:17] <box02> yes, what should I do for it?
[09:17] <wgrant> And I only know of one way that can happen - the latest publishing happened before the key was generated.
[09:17] <wgrant> So, if you delete and restore (using the 'Copy packages' feature), it will be signed.
[09:18] <wgrant> (the PPA key is generated by a separate cron job, so PPAs don't actually have keys initially)
[09:18] <LarstiQ> can that happen when, as box02 said, the package was recently uploaded?
[09:18] <LarstiQ> ah ok
[09:18] <wgrant> If it was uploaded moments after the PPA was created, it's quite possible.
[09:18] <box02> so I copy it to another ppa and delete,, paste back to the old place, isn't it?
[09:18] <wgrant> box02: You can just delete it, and copy the deleted package back into your archive. No need to copy it elsewhere first; you can copy deleted sources.
[09:19] <wgrant> Bonus points for doing it in the next 50 seconds.
[09:19] <wgrant> (if you do, it will be signed in just a couple of minutes)
[09:19] <box02> wowwwwwwwwwwwww
[09:19] <box02> I will do it :) :D
[09:20] <box02> this could be :)
[09:20] <box02> thank you so much you all :)
[09:20] <box02> I appreciate you all very much :)
[09:20] <wgrant> I suspect it's a bug that it let it publish before the key existed, though.
[09:20] <box02> yes,
[09:20] <box02> I could be exactly
[09:21] <box02> thanks a lot wgrant. :)
[09:21] <wgrant> box02: np
[09:21] <box02> I will do it :)
[09:37] <bencrisford> I can't get on lists.launchpad.net.  Is that just me or can you guys not do it either?
[09:37] <bencrisford> It says the security certificate expired yesterday
[09:37] <bencrisford> im using epiphany
[09:39] <wgrant> bencrisford: There's a bug filed; apparently they changed over the main servers, but missed a couple.
[09:40] <wgrant> bencrisford_: There's a bug filed; apparently they changed over the main servers, but missed a couple.
[09:41] <mwhudson> wgrant: how do you find out about all this stuff?
[09:41] <mwhudson> i guess you actually read bugmail, unlike me
[09:41] <mwhudson> ...
[09:41] <wgrant> mwhudson: I read bugmail.
[09:42] <wgrant> private-ppa and lists at least were missed.
[09:42] <mwhudson> wgrant: for all of launchpad-project?
[09:44] <wgrant> mwhudson: rosetta and various other bits get hidden away, but I do read most of it. It doesn't take long, means I know what's going on, and can complain early if people are doing something questionable.
[09:44] <mwhudson> i think party of my problem is thunderbird, actually
[09:44] <mwhudson> (and imapssl to london)
[09:45] <wgrant> mwhudson: I ditched Thunderbird for Evolution a few months ago. IMAP with TLS to the US, here, and it's quite usable.
[09:46] <wgrant> Evolution has improved a lot over the past 18 months or so.
[09:49] <mwhudson> wgrant: interesting
[09:50] <wgrant> mwhudson: Plus Evolution doesn't look awful.
[09:53] <mwhudson> oh look thunderbird is grey and non-responive
[09:53] <wgrant> mwhudson: Mozilla products love to do that :(
[09:53] <mwhudson> oh, other detail: i have no idea what my work email password is :)
[09:54] <wgrant> Heh.
[09:56] <mwhudson> oh tbird can tell me
[10:07]  * mwhudson thinks about the relative size of all his mail and his monthly download limit
[10:09] <savvas> mwhudson: try the ssss package :)
[10:09] <mwhudson> savvas: ?
[10:10] <savvas> http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/demo.html
[10:10] <savvas> you split your passwords in 10 different strings
[10:10] <savvas> and if you have say 7 of them (threshold) you get to see it :P
[10:11] <mwhudson> hmm
[10:12] <box02> Hi Hi
[10:12] <savvas> (ssss is binary in terminal btw)
[10:12] <wgrant> box02: Did it work?
[10:12] <box02> wowwwwwww
[10:13] <box02> it is fantastic :D
[10:13] <box02> it works perfectly :D
[10:13] <box02> Now I got Authenticated :D
[10:13] <wgrant> box02: Excellent.
[10:13] <box02> thank you so much indeed wgrant !! :)
[10:13] <lifeless> wgrant: you haven't looked at evo's code, obviously.
[10:14] <box02> You're geek !! :)
[10:14] <wgrant> lifeless: I remember you complaining while hacking it at UDS...
[10:14] <lifeless> wgrant: yes :)
[10:14] <box02> I'm happy now.
[10:14] <wgrant> box02: Bug #374395
[10:15] <box02> wgrant: aha
[10:15] <lifeless> wgrant: I really should overhaul the damn thing, wouldn't be that hard : write good nonblocking code from the start
[10:15] <box02> how I can check?
[10:15] <wgrant> lifeless: But Evo works better than TB. And I don't imagine TB's code is pretty either.
[10:15] <wgrant> box02: Check what?
[10:15] <lifeless> wgrant: BUT, I know that trap. been down it before (VCS's)
[10:15] <wgrant> lifeless: Heh.
[10:15] <box02> wgrant: that bug?
[10:15] <wgrant> box02: What do you mean by 'check'?
[10:16] <box02> wgrant: fix?
[10:16] <box02> ;)
[10:16] <mwhudson> wgrant, lifeless: it's a mua, of course almost everything about it is terrible
[10:16] <box02> wgrant: I would like to know where I see that bug report?
[10:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: yes, of course.
[10:17] <wgrant> box02: See the link that ubottu posted a second later.
[10:17] <lifeless> mind you I have enough hobby projects for now.
[10:17] <lifeless> and the next 1000 years or so
[10:17] <wgrant> mwhudson: True, true.
[10:17] <box02> wgrant: aha
[10:17] <lifeless> back to libvfs I go
[10:17] <lifeless> nearly at the point of having all the core idioms sorted out
[10:18] <mwhudson> lifeless: i'm not sure that anything involving a hobby project can significantly affect the mua landscape :/
[10:18] <lifeless> mwhudson: there's a theory that good libraries can make apps better
[10:18] <mwhudson> true
[10:18] <lifeless> theres another theory that both thunderbird and evo are huge piles of NIH
[10:19] <wgrant> lifeless: What did they reinvent?
[10:19] <lifeless> wgrant: smtp, pop3, imap4, mail folder indexing, mail folder caching, io operation cancelling
[10:20] <lifeless> wgrant: off the top of my head and without looking for other things
[10:20] <wgrant> lifeless: Shh.
[10:20] <box02> wgrant: I see that bug report now.
[10:21] <wgrant> Thanks for the quick triage on that, cprov.
[10:21] <box02> wgrant: I have to write something there?
[10:21] <lifeless> wgrant: for instance. 'camel'.
[10:21] <cprov> wgrant: thank you for filing the bug and helping box02.
[10:21] <wgrant> box02: No, I was just pointing it out to you.
[10:21] <wgrant> cprov: np
[10:21] <box02> wgrant: thanks wgrant for your help
[10:22] <lifeless> wgrant: for instance. libsmtp.
[10:22] <wgrant> lifeless: I've heard of that, but I don't want to go into the inner workings of my least-hated mail client, as that would mean finding out just how bad it is...
[10:22] <lifeless> apt-get install libsmtp
[10:22] <lifeless> -> fail
[10:22] <lifeless> perl at least has a library
[10:23] <wgrant> box02: np
[10:23] <box02> wgrant: :-)
[10:23] <lifeless> and just continuing to grovel, I find libetpan13. Totally unobvious name
[10:23] <wgrant> lifeless: I'm not sure it's awfully easy to write a universally useful high-level C networking library.
[10:24] <lifeless> wgrant: layers are good
[10:24] <box02> ok well, bye for now all, see you. Have a nice day!
[10:24] <wgrant> box02: See you.
[10:24] <box02> bye wgrant, see you.
[10:24] <lifeless> also 'do one thing well'. etpan does smtp + pop3 + nntp + imap + mbox/mh/maildir + MIME
[10:24] <wgrant> Right, that doesn't seem smart.
[10:24] <lifeless> totally conflated with lots of stuff
[10:25] <wgrant> SMTP + POP3 + IMAP, perhaps.
[10:25] <lifeless> nooo
[10:25] <lifeless> SMTP.
[10:25] <lifeless> do it well, do it right.
[10:25] <lifeless> if there is common code for pop3, have two libraries. I hear libraries can depend.
[10:26] <wgrant> Few do.
[10:41] <wgrant> cprov: For the PPA build status indicator, is the publishing data only required to show when the binaries are awaiting publishing?
[10:42] <cprov> wgrant: yes
[10:42] <cprov> wgrant: one of the built-in status of the PPA build-status icon.
[10:43] <wgrant> cprov: Hrm.
[10:44] <cprov> wgrant: do you think we should continue to present rejected uploaded in that list ?
[10:44] <wgrant> I can see why that join would be expensive.
[10:44] <wgrant> cprov: I don't think there's any point in showing them, no.
[10:44] <wgrant> cprov: Is it showing all SPRs?
[10:45] <cprov> wgrant: yes, in a very rudimentary/broken selection approach.
[10:45] <wgrant> cprov: That explains things.
[10:45] <wgrant> Anyway, I don't think rejected uploads should be shown, because they don't really exist.
[10:46] <cprov> wgrant: exactly, they are not something that should concern users visiting that specific page
[10:48] <wgrant> cprov: And I suppose that join wouldn't be too expensive.
[10:48] <lifeless> cprov: what do you think of showing builder status on the build record page, rather than having to click through?
[10:49] <wgrant> Hmmm, interesting confusion by vila in bug #289148. It appears to not be obvious enough that the bit in the signature is actually the description of the bug.
[10:49] <cprov> wgrant: it's manageable in the PPA pages, it should be ok on Person:+packages too.
[10:50] <wgrant> cprov: Particularly as +packages only shows 90 SPRs at most.
[10:50] <cprov> lifeless: it is presented, isn't it ?  as text, not a fancy icon
[10:50] <lifeless> cprov: I mean the log
[10:50] <wgrant> lifeless: You mean the build log tail>
[10:50] <wgrant> Right.
[10:50] <wgrant> I've always thought that would make sense.
[10:50] <lifeless> cprov: if its building, the status is useless without looking at the log :)
[10:51] <lifeless> well useless is harsh
[10:51] <wgrant> And be particularly nice if it actually stored the build log progressively, and did AJAX updates like the OpenSUSE Build Service.
[10:51] <lifeless> I mean, it would be much nicer not to have to click to see that its up to <wherever> in the build
[10:51] <cprov> lifeless: oh, misread your comment. Showing the buildlog tail on 'building' build pages ... Yes, good idea.
[10:52] <cprov> lifeless: otherwise you always have to go to the builder page.
[10:53] <cprov> wgrant: uhm, yes, that's cool, but megs of text in a postgres row is bad.
[10:54] <wgrant> cprov: That's true, and I suppose librarian doesn't really fit.
[10:55] <cprov> wgrant: yes, but we can 'find a way' ... it's not rocket-science, afterall.
[10:57]  * wgrant -> dinner
[11:01] <cprov> lifeless: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/194262
[11:06] <lifeless> cprov: ah, just dup my new bug then
[11:07] <lifeless> cprov: surely its just the current tail, but use ajax to refresh
[11:07] <lifeless> could optimise by also storing a 'byte offset' counter in the db; if the offset overlaps with what the client alrady has only send some of the tail snapshot
[11:07] <lifeless> otherwise send it all
[11:08] <cprov> lifeless: right, please comment that in the bug :)
[11:09] <lifeless> which one?
[11:17] <lifeless> cprov: which bug should I put that comment in
[11:18] <cprov> lifeless: add that to the same bug (194262)
[12:06] <lifeless> cprov: bug 374412 - should I dup that with 194262?
[12:07] <cprov> lifeless: yes, sure.
[12:07] <lifeless> I filed that before you looked up the other :)
[12:09] <cprov> lifeless: right, the old one has other features that will be nice to have.
[12:11] <lifeless> shiny new dup window
[12:16] <LarstiQ> wgrant: thanks about the ppa key cronjob btw, I learned something :)
[12:22] <wgrant> LarstiQ: The bug has a more informative answer from cprov; did you see it?
[12:23] <LarstiQ> wgrant: no, I'll go read some backlog
[12:23] <wgrant> Bug #374395
[12:23] <wgrant> LarstiQ: ^^
[12:25] <goshawk> hi, where is it supposed to add arm support to ppa?
[12:27] <LarstiQ> wgrant: thanks
[12:32] <wgrant> goshawk: I believe an architecture can only be supported for PPA building if it is supported for virtualisation using Xen. I think there's an ongoing project to port Xen to ARM, but it's not there yet.
[12:32] <goshawk> wgrant: Opensuse/Opensource build system does it pretty good, can't launchpad use the same technology
[12:33] <goshawk> ?
[12:35] <goshawk> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2525419053.html
[12:38] <wgrant> Ah, finally found something useful.
[12:38] <wgrant> It looks like they're using qemu; that's workable, but probably very slow.
[12:38] <wgrant> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/11/18/arm-support-for-opensuse-buildservice-and-opensuse/
[12:39] <wgrant> cprov: Have you any existing armel PPA plans?
[12:40] <cprov> wgrant: no concrete plans yet, but I'm expecting some pressure on it during UDS
[12:41] <wgrant> cprov: That's what I suspected.
[12:41] <cprov> wgrant: qemu is an alternative, but I'm not sure we can use it in the same way we do for xen-machines
[12:42] <goshawk> well, i'm working with OBS
[12:42] <goshawk> and it's very fast
[12:42] <goshawk> i think that it uses kvm
[12:42] <wgrant> cprov: How would it be different?
[12:42] <wgrant> KVM cannot work across architectures (except i386/amd64)
[12:43] <goshawk> and i've to build packages in ppa and then import in OBS for armv5
[12:43] <cprov> wgrant: qemu would run within our  xen-instance to guarantee security
[12:44] <cprov> s/security/isolation
[12:44] <wgrant> cprov: I suppose that's a good idea. But that only makes it a little bit different.
[12:45] <cprov> wgrant: right, maybe that's not much ...
[12:48] <wgrant> If only Soyuz was to be open source like OBS...
[12:52]  * cprov escapes for lunch ...
[12:54] <wgrant> cprov: What are you doing in here on a weekend, anyway?
[14:40] <lifeless> gnight
[14:42] <wgrant> Night lifeless.
[15:43] <MiserySalin> could an admin review our .pot template? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/gmpc/trunk/+imports
[16:33] <gnomefreak> ANy launchpad site problems known? for some reason i click on Save Changes on  bug report and it doesnt change. lower left corner of browser says done and doesnt change as well.
[16:52] <gnomefreak> it looks as if its only bug pages
[16:55] <gnomefreak> thats odd it works in seamonkey but not firefox
[17:13] <RachedTN> Hello, Could anyone help me with this : https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/70669    , thanks :)
[17:22] <mneptok> RachedTN: how active is the project? it could be moved, but that will require a Launchpad admin. if the project doesn't have a lot of data yet, you could just create a new project with the correct name and close the other.
[17:24] <RachedTN> mneptok: the project is very avtive and it contains a lot of data.
[17:26] <mneptok> RachedTN: understood. i guess you need a Launchpad admin.
[17:26] <RachedTN> mneptok: yes :)
[17:26]  * mneptok is not one. sorry.
[17:27] <RachedTN> thanks for the answer :) , I will wait :)
[17:28] <mneptok> hamdulillah
[17:37] <cprov> wgrant: I was intimidated by your last comment :)
[17:39] <rockstar> RachedTN, there usually isn't someone around on the weekends to help you rename projects, but come Monday, this will probably get dealt with.
[17:39] <RachedTN> rockstar: ok, thnks
[17:39] <RachedTN> and keep the good works guys :)
[19:28] <AdamDH> hi all, I have uploaded packages to my PPA but I have not had any emails yet, is it just been slow?
[19:48] <maxb> AdamDH: upload processing takes place every 5 minutes, allow time for the email to reach you after that, considering how slow/fast your email provider is at getting incoming email to your inbox
[19:49] <maxb> If you still don't have anything, be very certain that the .changes file was correctly signed with a key known to launchpad - if it isn't, you won't get any feedback at all.
[19:51] <AdamDH> thanks maxb I will check
[20:20] <AdamDH> thanks again maxb looks like my key was wrong
[20:51] <AdamDH> I am a little confused I am trying to upload hal-applesmc - 0.14-0ubuntu1~mactel-support1~jaunty1 hal-applesmc - 0.14-0ubuntu1~mactel-support1~intrepid1 but the intrepid one keeps getting rejected with is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. Any ideas why?
[21:21] <maxb> AdamDH: Because you uploaded that version in March ?
[21:54] <loic-m> What's the dput option to tell it not to upload the orig.tar.gz (since the orig.tar.gz is the same as the one in karmic repositories)?
[21:54] <loic-m> (I've read the man page and googled to no avail)
[21:55] <maxb> loic-m: It's not actually a dput option. You make this decision at the time of building the .changes file
[21:56] <loic-m> maxb: thanks. So it's just an option of debuild?
[21:56] <maxb> -sd I think
[21:56] <artfwo> -sa it is
[21:56] <maxb> or you can edit the .changes manually and re-sign it
[21:57] <maxb> artfwo: No, -sa is the opposite
[21:57] <loic-m> I use debuild -S -sa and it upload the archive, so not -sa at least
[21:57] <artfwo> oops, misread it sorry :)
[21:57] <loic-m> maxb: thanls a lot
[22:00] <loic-m> funny the debuild man page doesn't talk about -sa or -sd options...
[22:00] <maxb> loic-m: That's because debuild is just a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage
[22:01] <loic-m> maxb: thanks. i'll read that man page then
[22:02] <loic-m> you were right about -sd
[22:03] <lifeless> loic-m: just make sure you have foo_version.orig.tar.gz
[22:03] <lifeless> and dpkg-source will generate a diff
[22:04] <loic-m> yes, it's been working ok now
[22:05] <loic-m> I'm just testing some rdepends in a ppa so it's straightforward
[22:13] <maxb> Hmm, PPA's aren't ideal for that sort of testing... too much waiting! Just do it locally :-)
[22:37] <loic-m> Can't test all arch locally ;) and my bw is limited. Builds are actually not bad tonight
[22:41] <savvas> bug 374627
[23:36] <wgrant> cprov: Good.