[08:35] <tgpraveen> hi can anyone tell me how do i use bonjour/link local to chat from my laptop to another laptop user near me via wifi via pidgin/empathy
[08:45] <tgpraveen> anyone?
[09:50] <rski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250
[13:07] <cwillu> """A bug in the kitten-sitter package in some cases leads to kittens being swallowed whole by systems running Karmic Alpha 1, nom nom."""
[13:07] <cwillu> very nice
[16:11]  * maxb crosses fingers and begins upgrade :-)
[16:21] <dazjorz> So
[16:21] <dazjorz> I guess everybody here already knows about kdelibs5-dev: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/KDE/Plasma/AbstractRunner', which is also in package libplasma-dev
[16:21] <dazjorz> what's happening? libplasma-dev going away? :)
[17:02] <maxb> Quirky. Seems an upgrade to karmic has changed my mouse pointer sensitivity :-)
[17:19] <maxb> Well, this is disturbing
[17:19] <maxb> update-grub is silently failing to update my boot options
[17:24] <maxb> Ah... because I chose "keep" during the release-upgrader run and ucf was overly aggressive about caching that decision
[17:28] <maxb> How predictable :-)
[17:28] <maxb> Naturally audio is broken in karmic
[17:31] <dazjorz_> and kdelibs5/libplasma-dev are/is broken too
[17:41] <maxb> Hm. Playing an mp3 is working fine. I get pops/crackles from a DVD though
[17:49] <dazjorz_> I do get the idea we're talking to a wall here
[18:01] <maxb> It's the weekend
[18:31] <FFForever> has anyones system actually broken from any of the ubuntu alpha releases?
[18:32] <rski> define broken
[18:33] <FFForever> well the topic says it will surely break ur system..., out of all of the alpha's i have ran (since the 7.10) none of them have broken my system to an unuseable state
[18:33] <Amaranth> FFForever: I know at one time the ati driver had a bug that would cripple video cards unless you managed to blindly boot into a windows install that had a working ati driver
[18:33] <Amaranth> but I think that was before ubuntu existed, actually
[18:34] <FFForever> wow thats one heck of a bug
[18:34] <FFForever> :D
[18:34] <Amaranth> if you didn't have windows installed the card was trash
[18:34] <Amaranth> problem: some of these were laptops
[18:36] <rski> wait what
[18:36] <rski> you couldnt plop in a bootmedia with windows installed after the crash?
[18:36] <Amaranth> rski: can you install WinXP blindly?
[18:36] <rski> yes
[18:36] <Amaranth> and then go online, download, and install the ati driver blindly?
[18:36] <rski> no
[18:37] <rski> but
[18:37] <rski> if i have a hdd.
[18:37] <rski> with windows +ati driver
[18:37] <rski> i couldn't use that?
[18:37] <rski> there was some kind of time-constraint
[18:37] <rski> that it had to boot back into windows
[18:37] <Amaranth> no but transferring a windows install to another machine just makes it blue screen on boot
[18:38] <rski> it can
[18:38] <rski> it dosent do it 100&
[18:38] <rski> 100%
[18:38] <Amaranth> it does if you have different hardware
[18:38] <rski> depends on how different
[18:39] <Amaranth> they'd have to have the same chipset
[18:40] <maxb> Then there was the kernel that bricked certain intel ethernet adaptors
[18:40] <Amaranth> yeah, that was fun
[18:40] <Amaranth> I stopped booting ubuntu when that came up then reinstalled from a LiveCD when it was fixed
[18:40] <Amaranth> didn't even try to boot and upgrade
[18:41] <maxb> And as far as less permanant breakage is concerned, it looks like I'll need to dual-boot jaunty if I want to watch a DVD right now
[18:41] <rski> libdvdcss is borked?
[18:42] <maxb> Something pulse/alsa-ish
[18:42] <maxb> I assume
[18:42] <maxb> I get lots of crackling on DVD audio. But not on .mp3 audio, oddly
[18:42] <rski> well
[18:43] <rski> audacious gives perfect sound
[18:43] <rski> mplayer does not
[18:43] <rski> youtube works fine also
[18:43] <maxb> Indeed, it seems to only be affecting DVDs.
[18:43] <rski> i haven't played a single dvd but i still get crackling audio in mplayer
[18:43] <rski> it's not dvd-specific
[19:26] <DanaG> Once I found out about that ethernet bug, I just blacklisted e1000e.
[19:27] <virtuelv> uh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#line-57
[19:29] <rski> dont take is seriosly
[19:29] <rski> it's just a warning it may eat your data
[19:30] <virtuelv> While I appreciate humor, I'd prefer if it said that, if it's a real risk (and I assume it is, if karmic is moving to ext4)
[19:30] <rski> it's not even out yet virtuelv
[19:31] <rski> notice the "Karmic Alpha 1 eats"
[19:38] <dazjorz> so
[19:38] <dazjorz> the kdelibs5-dev / libplasma-dev issue? is it known?
[19:39] <dazjorz> I'm guessing it's not needed to e-mail any maintainer
[20:06] <wilhart_> Ubuntu-Studio 9.10 (Karmic Koala) Daily Build, was this one stable? or released properly?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: it's a daily from a pre-alpha
[20:07] <BUGabundo> why would you even think to expect it to be stable?
[20:07] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: is it bugged? much
[20:07] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: dunno
[20:07] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: it has ext4 ?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> why don't you test it and report the bugs you find ?
[20:07] <wilhart_> but jaunty has ext3
[20:08] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: the installer has ext4 support since mid jaunty devel cycle
[20:08] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: jaunty had ext4 and still does!
[20:08] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: oh, so should i got jaunty or karmic ?
[20:09] <nperry> wilhart_ got jaunty, Karmic is very buggy at the mo
[20:10] <BUGabundo> nperry: not for me. its as stable as jaunty at this point
[20:10] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: all depends on how experience you are, what makes you want to test
[20:10] <nperry> BUGabundo Had one problem, but that was my own messing :P
[20:10] <wilhart_> nperry: ok and the file is: ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso          21-Apr-2009 20:53  1.3G  Alternate install DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download)
[20:10] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: if you like to report and follow up on bugs, and if you really need a stable system
[20:11] <wilhart_> nperry: this is right?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> devel cycle system can and WILL cause breakage
[20:11] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: what are you trying to do?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> to troll us ?
[20:11] <dazjorz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/374580 - filed it
[20:11] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: hmm
[20:12] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: I have a similar
[20:12] <BUGabundo> there seem to be a few depencies on kde5
[20:12] <dazjorz> kde5 even :P
[20:12] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: i would like to install ubuntustudio
[20:12] <dazjorz> kdelibs5 I guess
[20:12] <dazjorz> yeah it looks as if libplasma-dev was merged into kdelibs5-dev
[20:13] <dazjorz> but, it doesn't conflict yet, so apt doesn't remove it before kdelibs5-dev
[20:13] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: last time i installed it it gave red windows with alerts so
[20:13] <dazjorz> so it fails to install etc
[20:13] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: then go with Desktop version of Studio jaunty
[20:13] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: sorry what is that?
[20:14] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/
[20:15] <wilhart_>  ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso, i have this so it's right
[20:15] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/
[20:16] <BUGabundo> that's the 32bits
[20:16] <BUGabundo> do you want 32 or 64bits?
[20:16] <wilhart_> 32 !
[20:16] <BUGabundo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[20:16] <dazjorz> why the -alternate- ?
[20:16] <dazjorz> isn't there a -desktop- ?
[20:16] <dazjorz> or standard or w/e
[20:17] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: studio as no Destop
[20:17] <BUGabundo> just alternate
[20:18] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: how do i check if the .iso file is good for burning ?
[20:18] <wilhart_> what was the command hmm
[20:18] <wilhart_> metalink ?
[20:19] <BUGabundo> its a torrent
[20:19] <BUGabundo> it should auto check after download
[20:19] <BUGabundo> but if you want to be really sure, just check the md5
[20:19] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: oh, ok
[20:19] <BUGabundo>  !md5
[20:20]  * maxb ponders the feasibility of using debootstrap to install a new system, not having any isos handy
[20:20] <maxb> let's try it and see :-)
[20:20] <BUGabundo> maxb: I would like to have a better way to do installs too
[20:20] <BUGabundo> maxb: how is that method?
[20:20] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: now leave us to do karmic stuff and ask further help on #ubuntu
[20:21] <wilhart_> where do i  get tthe .md5 file ?
[20:21] <BUGabundo>  !md5 > wilhart_
[20:21] <dazjorz> heh
[20:21] <dazjorz> maxb: I installed my current system through that :P
[20:22] <dazjorz> it just wouldn't install off the CD, giving an error a few minutes in the process every tie
[20:22] <dazjorz> time
[20:22] <dazjorz> so I just mounted the disk, debootstrapped, chrooted, installed some packages, linux and grub, and then rebooted, worked flawlessly
[20:22] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: maxb how is that?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> I used to add a line to grub to lunch the iso
[20:22] <BUGabundo> but that stop working a while ago
[20:23] <maxb> I'm hoping I can debootstrap a jaunty chroot into a new partition, from my running karmic system, chroot into it, install a kernel, install a desktop environment, and boot into it
[20:23] <wilhart_> so i get ext4 in jaunty ?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: should
[20:23] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: easy, and fast, and nice :)
[20:23] <dazjorz> it's just... good :)
[20:24] <dazjorz> wilhart_: you get a choice during installation
[20:24] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: so man debootstrapped and im done?
[20:24] <wilhart_> hope this works, i burned with 2.6k/sec
[20:24] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel
[20:24] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: don't you have a 2GiBs usb stick?
[20:25] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel
[20:25] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: i got 16gig stick
[20:25] <DanaG> odd thing ntfs-3g is giving me:
[20:26] <DanaG> d????????? ? ? ? ?                ? Weeks 5-7
[20:26] <DanaG> d????????? ? ? ? ?                ? Weeks 8-10
[20:26] <DanaG> instead of drwxrwxrwx
[20:26] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: the use usb-creator instead burning to DVD
[20:26] <DanaG> "weeks 5-7" is the folder name.
[20:26] <BUGabundo> DanaG: system was suspended?
[20:26] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: it's too difficould
[20:26] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: its two clicks! how can that be hard?
[20:27] <wilhart_> what? :D
[20:27] <DanaG> That dir is just corrupt.
[20:28] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: i need to put bios settings booti with usb-stick ?
[20:29] <ikonia> wilhart_: with the greatest respect, if you don't know how to get your machine to boot a usb device you should not be playing with super early development releases
[20:29] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: you may! but you also need to do that for the CD/DVD
[20:29] <wilhart_> BUGabundo: never booted with usbstick
[20:29] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: further help on that on #ubuntu, ok? this is for karmic
[20:29] <BUGabundo>  !usb
[20:30] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: read this links !
[20:31] <wilhart_> ok that really sucks
[20:31] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: it's not all, but
[20:32] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: debootstrap only installs a very basic system, you need to install a linux-kernel, and a bootloader, etc, but it will work, yeha
[20:32] <wilhart_>  ubottu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see
[20:32] <wilhart_>                 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see:
[20:32] <wilhart_>                 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[20:32] <wilhart_> sorry
[20:32] <wilhart_> wrong button
[20:33] <wilhart_> windows xp/visdta is "alawys" unstable release
[20:33] <wilhart_> never stable
[20:34] <BUGabundo> wilhart_: if you are on Windows, best/easy way to get Ubuntu (even Studio) is to use Wubi!
[20:34] <BUGabundo>  !wubi | wilhart_
[20:35] <wilhart_> ubottu: i've triedthat didnt like it
[20:37]  * dazjorz never succesfully used Wubi, and only tried once
[20:37] <dazjorz> a looong time ago
[20:37] <wilhart_> yea it's crap
[20:37] <wilhart_> thanks!
[20:38] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: used it many many times, works 90% of the time
[20:38]  * BUGabundo is glad the troll left us
[20:39] <dazjorz> did you think it was a troll?
[20:40] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: he wouldn't accept any tips...
[20:41] <BUGabundo> and was only repeting questions
[20:42] <dazjorz> hmm
[20:42]  * dazjorz isn't very good at recognizing trolls
[20:43] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: ok he was just a noob, but had already several bad ideas set
[20:48]  * dazjorz wonders if he removes libplasma-dev, if the problems will be gone
[20:48] <dazjorz> ewww
[20:48] <dazjorz> kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev
[20:52] <BUGabundo> cycling depends....
[20:52] <dazjorz> well actually: kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev but installs files that libplasma-dev installs too
[20:52] <dazjorz> so it's kind of a mess atm
[20:53] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:53]  * dazjorz force removes libplasma-dev
[20:54] <dazjorz> aaaand it's installed, seems ok
[20:56] <BUGabundo> hum ok nice
[20:56] <dazjorz> looks like the newest kdelibs5 doesn't Depend on libplasma-dev now
[21:08] <wilhart> i need help installing ubuntustudio from usbstick can someone help
[21:09] <wilhart> that's hard! omg