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| tgpraveen | hi can anyone tell me how do i use bonjour/link local to chat from my laptop to another laptop user near me via wifi via pidgin/empathy | 08:35 |
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| tgpraveen | anyone? | 08:45 |
| rski | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250 | 09:50 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 374250 in ubuntu "svgalib_helper is not working" [Undecided,New] | 09:50 |
| cwillu | """A bug in the kitten-sitter package in some cases leads to kittens being swallowed whole by systems running Karmic Alpha 1, nom nom.""" | 13:07 |
| cwillu | very nice | 13:07 |
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| * maxb crosses fingers and begins upgrade :-) | 16:11 | |
| dazjorz | So | 16:21 |
| dazjorz | I guess everybody here already knows about kdelibs5-dev: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/KDE/Plasma/AbstractRunner', which is also in package libplasma-dev | 16:21 |
| dazjorz | what's happening? libplasma-dev going away? :) | 16:21 |
| maxb | Quirky. Seems an upgrade to karmic has changed my mouse pointer sensitivity :-) | 17:02 |
| maxb | Well, this is disturbing | 17:19 |
| maxb | update-grub is silently failing to update my boot options | 17:19 |
| maxb | Ah... because I chose "keep" during the release-upgrader run and ucf was overly aggressive about caching that decision | 17:24 |
| maxb | How predictable :-) | 17:28 |
| maxb | Naturally audio is broken in karmic | 17:28 |
| dazjorz_ | and kdelibs5/libplasma-dev are/is broken too | 17:31 |
| maxb | Hm. Playing an mp3 is working fine. I get pops/crackles from a DVD though | 17:41 |
| dazjorz_ | I do get the idea we're talking to a wall here | 17:49 |
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| maxb | It's the weekend | 18:01 |
| FFForever | has anyones system actually broken from any of the ubuntu alpha releases? | 18:31 |
| rski | define broken | 18:32 |
| FFForever | well the topic says it will surely break ur system..., out of all of the alpha's i have ran (since the 7.10) none of them have broken my system to an unuseable state | 18:33 |
| Amaranth | FFForever: I know at one time the ati driver had a bug that would cripple video cards unless you managed to blindly boot into a windows install that had a working ati driver | 18:33 |
| Amaranth | but I think that was before ubuntu existed, actually | 18:33 |
| FFForever | wow thats one heck of a bug | 18:34 |
| FFForever | :D | 18:34 |
| Amaranth | if you didn't have windows installed the card was trash | 18:34 |
| Amaranth | problem: some of these were laptops | 18:34 |
| rski | wait what | 18:36 |
| rski | you couldnt plop in a bootmedia with windows installed after the crash? | 18:36 |
| Amaranth | rski: can you install WinXP blindly? | 18:36 |
| rski | yes | 18:36 |
| Amaranth | and then go online, download, and install the ati driver blindly? | 18:36 |
| rski | no | 18:36 |
| rski | but | 18:37 |
| rski | if i have a hdd. | 18:37 |
| rski | with windows +ati driver | 18:37 |
| rski | i couldn't use that? | 18:37 |
| rski | there was some kind of time-constraint | 18:37 |
| rski | that it had to boot back into windows | 18:37 |
| Amaranth | no but transferring a windows install to another machine just makes it blue screen on boot | 18:37 |
| rski | it can | 18:38 |
| rski | it dosent do it 100& | 18:38 |
| rski | 100% | 18:38 |
| Amaranth | it does if you have different hardware | 18:38 |
| rski | depends on how different | 18:38 |
| Amaranth | they'd have to have the same chipset | 18:39 |
| maxb | Then there was the kernel that bricked certain intel ethernet adaptors | 18:40 |
| Amaranth | yeah, that was fun | 18:40 |
| Amaranth | I stopped booting ubuntu when that came up then reinstalled from a LiveCD when it was fixed | 18:40 |
| Amaranth | didn't even try to boot and upgrade | 18:40 |
| maxb | And as far as less permanant breakage is concerned, it looks like I'll need to dual-boot jaunty if I want to watch a DVD right now | 18:41 |
| rski | libdvdcss is borked? | 18:41 |
| maxb | Something pulse/alsa-ish | 18:42 |
| maxb | I assume | 18:42 |
| maxb | I get lots of crackling on DVD audio. But not on .mp3 audio, oddly | 18:42 |
| rski | well | 18:42 |
| rski | audacious gives perfect sound | 18:43 |
| rski | mplayer does not | 18:43 |
| rski | youtube works fine also | 18:43 |
| maxb | Indeed, it seems to only be affecting DVDs. | 18:43 |
| rski | i haven't played a single dvd but i still get crackling audio in mplayer | 18:43 |
| rski | it's not dvd-specific | 18:43 |
| DanaG | Once I found out about that ethernet bug, I just blacklisted e1000e. | 19:26 |
| virtuelv | uh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#line-57 | 19:27 |
| rski | dont take is seriosly | 19:29 |
| rski | it's just a warning it may eat your data | 19:29 |
| virtuelv | While I appreciate humor, I'd prefer if it said that, if it's a real risk (and I assume it is, if karmic is moving to ext4) | 19:30 |
| rski | it's not even out yet virtuelv | 19:30 |
| rski | notice the "Karmic Alpha 1 eats" | 19:31 |
| dazjorz | so | 19:38 |
| dazjorz | the kdelibs5-dev / libplasma-dev issue? is it known? | 19:38 |
| dazjorz | I'm guessing it's not needed to e-mail any maintainer | 19:39 |
| wilhart_ | Ubuntu-Studio 9.10 (Karmic Koala) Daily Build, was this one stable? or released properly? | 20:06 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: it's a daily from a pre-alpha | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | why would you even think to expect it to be stable? | 20:07 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: is it bugged? much | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: dunno | 20:07 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: it has ext4 ? | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | why don't you test it and report the bugs you find ? | 20:07 |
| wilhart_ | but jaunty has ext3 | 20:07 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: the installer has ext4 support since mid jaunty devel cycle | 20:08 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: jaunty had ext4 and still does! | 20:08 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: oh, so should i got jaunty or karmic ? | 20:08 |
| nperry | wilhart_ got jaunty, Karmic is very buggy at the mo | 20:09 |
| BUGabundo | nperry: not for me. its as stable as jaunty at this point | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: all depends on how experience you are, what makes you want to test | 20:10 |
| nperry | BUGabundo Had one problem, but that was my own messing :P | 20:10 |
| wilhart_ | nperry: ok and the file is: ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso 21-Apr-2009 20:53 1.3G Alternate install DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download) | 20:10 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: if you like to report and follow up on bugs, and if you really need a stable system | 20:10 |
| wilhart_ | nperry: this is right? | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | devel cycle system can and WILL cause breakage | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: what are you trying to do? | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | to troll us ? | 20:11 |
| dazjorz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/374580 - filed it | 20:11 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 374580 in kde4libs "[karmic] kdelibs5-dev fails to install: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/KDE/Plasma/AbstractRunner', which is also in package libplasma-dev" [Undecided,New] | 20:11 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: hmm | 20:11 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: I have a similar | 20:12 |
| BUGabundo | there seem to be a few depencies on kde5 | 20:12 |
| dazjorz | kde5 even :P | 20:12 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: i would like to install ubuntustudio | 20:12 |
| dazjorz | kdelibs5 I guess | 20:12 |
| dazjorz | yeah it looks as if libplasma-dev was merged into kdelibs5-dev | 20:12 |
| dazjorz | but, it doesn't conflict yet, so apt doesn't remove it before kdelibs5-dev | 20:13 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: last time i installed it it gave red windows with alerts so | 20:13 |
| dazjorz | so it fails to install etc | 20:13 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: then go with Desktop version of Studio jaunty | 20:13 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: sorry what is that? | 20:13 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ | 20:14 |
| wilhart_ | ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso, i have this so it's right | 20:15 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ | 20:15 |
| BUGabundo | that's the 32bits | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | do you want 32 or 64bits? | 20:16 |
| wilhart_ | 32 ! | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent | 20:16 |
| dazjorz | why the -alternate- ? | 20:16 |
| dazjorz | isn't there a -desktop- ? | 20:16 |
| dazjorz | or standard or w/e | 20:16 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: studio as no Destop | 20:17 |
| BUGabundo | just alternate | 20:17 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: how do i check if the .iso file is good for burning ? | 20:18 |
| wilhart_ | what was the command hmm | 20:18 |
| wilhart_ | metalink ? | 20:18 |
| BUGabundo | its a torrent | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | it should auto check after download | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | but if you want to be really sure, just check the md5 | 20:19 |
| dazjorz | BUGabundo: oh, ok | 20:19 |
| BUGabundo | !md5 | 20:19 |
| ubottu | To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows | 20:19 |
| * maxb ponders the feasibility of using debootstrap to install a new system, not having any isos handy | 20:20 | |
| maxb | let's try it and see :-) | 20:20 |
| BUGabundo | maxb: I would like to have a better way to do installs too | 20:20 |
| BUGabundo | maxb: how is that method? | 20:20 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: now leave us to do karmic stuff and ask further help on #ubuntu | 20:20 |
| wilhart_ | where do i get tthe .md5 file ? | 20:21 |
| BUGabundo | !md5 > wilhart_ | 20:21 |
| ubottu | wilhart_, please see my private message | 20:21 |
| dazjorz | heh | 20:21 |
| dazjorz | maxb: I installed my current system through that :P | 20:21 |
| dazjorz | it just wouldn't install off the CD, giving an error a few minutes in the process every tie | 20:22 |
| dazjorz | time | 20:22 |
| dazjorz | so I just mounted the disk, debootstrapped, chrooted, installed some packages, linux and grub, and then rebooted, worked flawlessly | 20:22 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: maxb how is that? | 20:22 |
| BUGabundo | I used to add a line to grub to lunch the iso | 20:22 |
| BUGabundo | but that stop working a while ago | 20:22 |
| maxb | I'm hoping I can debootstrap a jaunty chroot into a new partition, from my running karmic system, chroot into it, install a kernel, install a desktop environment, and boot into it | 20:23 |
| wilhart_ | so i get ext4 in jaunty ? | 20:23 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: should | 20:23 |
| dazjorz | BUGabundo: easy, and fast, and nice :) | 20:23 |
| dazjorz | it's just... good :) | 20:23 |
| dazjorz | wilhart_: you get a choice during installation | 20:24 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: so man debootstrapped and im done? | 20:24 |
| wilhart_ | hope this works, i burned with 2.6k/sec | 20:24 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel | 20:24 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: don't you have a 2GiBs usb stick? | 20:24 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel | 20:25 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: i got 16gig stick | 20:25 |
| DanaG | odd thing ntfs-3g is giving me: | 20:25 |
| DanaG | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Weeks 5-7 | 20:26 |
| DanaG | d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Weeks 8-10 | 20:26 |
| DanaG | instead of drwxrwxrwx | 20:26 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: the use usb-creator instead burning to DVD | 20:26 |
| DanaG | "weeks 5-7" is the folder name. | 20:26 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: system was suspended? | 20:26 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: it's too difficould | 20:26 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: its two clicks! how can that be hard? | 20:26 |
| wilhart_ | what? :D | 20:27 |
| DanaG | That dir is just corrupt. | 20:27 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: i need to put bios settings booti with usb-stick ? | 20:28 |
| ikonia | wilhart_: with the greatest respect, if you don't know how to get your machine to boot a usb device you should not be playing with super early development releases | 20:29 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: you may! but you also need to do that for the CD/DVD | 20:29 |
| wilhart_ | BUGabundo: never booted with usbstick | 20:29 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: further help on that on #ubuntu, ok? this is for karmic | 20:29 |
| BUGabundo | !usb | 20:29 |
| ubottu | For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 20:29 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: read this links ! | 20:30 |
| wilhart_ | ok that really sucks | 20:31 |
| dazjorz | BUGabundo: it's not all, but | 20:31 |
| dazjorz | BUGabundo: debootstrap only installs a very basic system, you need to install a linux-kernel, and a bootloader, etc, but it will work, yeha | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | ubottu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: | 20:32 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | sorry | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | wrong button | 20:32 |
| wilhart_ | windows xp/visdta is "alawys" unstable release | 20:33 |
| wilhart_ | never stable | 20:33 |
| BUGabundo | wilhart_: if you are on Windows, best/easy way to get Ubuntu (even Studio) is to use Wubi! | 20:34 |
| BUGabundo | !wubi | wilhart_ | 20:34 |
| ubottu | wilhart_: Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug. | 20:34 |
| wilhart_ | ubottu: i've triedthat didnt like it | 20:35 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 20:35 |
| * dazjorz never succesfully used Wubi, and only tried once | 20:37 | |
| dazjorz | a looong time ago | 20:37 |
| wilhart_ | yea it's crap | 20:37 |
| wilhart_ | thanks! | 20:37 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: used it many many times, works 90% of the time | 20:38 |
| * BUGabundo is glad the troll left us | 20:38 | |
| dazjorz | did you think it was a troll? | 20:39 |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: he wouldn't accept any tips... | 20:40 |
| BUGabundo | and was only repeting questions | 20:41 |
| dazjorz | hmm | 20:42 |
| * dazjorz isn't very good at recognizing trolls | 20:42 | |
| BUGabundo | dazjorz: ok he was just a noob, but had already several bad ideas set | 20:43 |
| * dazjorz wonders if he removes libplasma-dev, if the problems will be gone | 20:48 | |
| dazjorz | ewww | 20:48 |
| dazjorz | kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev | 20:48 |
| BUGabundo | cycling depends.... | 20:52 |
| dazjorz | well actually: kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev but installs files that libplasma-dev installs too | 20:52 |
| dazjorz | so it's kind of a mess atm | 20:52 |
| BUGabundo | yep | 20:53 |
| * dazjorz force removes libplasma-dev | 20:53 | |
| dazjorz | aaaand it's installed, seems ok | 20:54 |
| BUGabundo | hum ok nice | 20:56 |
| dazjorz | looks like the newest kdelibs5 doesn't Depend on libplasma-dev now | 20:56 |
| wilhart | i need help installing ubuntustudio from usbstick can someone help | 21:08 |
| wilhart | that's hard! omg | 21:09 |
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