=== ripps_ is now known as ripps === ienorand is now known as arand === arand is now known as ienorand_ === ienorand_ is now known as arand === arand is now known as ienorand === calc_ is now known as calc [08:35] hi can anyone tell me how do i use bonjour/link local to chat from my laptop to another laptop user near me via wifi via pidgin/empathy [08:45] anyone? [09:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/374250 [09:50] Ubuntu bug 374250 in ubuntu "svgalib_helper is not working" [Undecided,New] [13:07] """A bug in the kitten-sitter package in some cases leads to kittens being swallowed whole by systems running Karmic Alpha 1, nom nom.""" [13:07] very nice === edsoncanto is now known as ecanto === Cameron` is now known as Cameron === le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute === ecanto is now known as Edson === Edson is now known as edson === le_bilou1e is now known as le_biloute === lenios_ is now known as lenios [16:11] * maxb crosses fingers and begins upgrade :-) [16:21] So [16:21] I guess everybody here already knows about kdelibs5-dev: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/KDE/Plasma/AbstractRunner', which is also in package libplasma-dev [16:21] what's happening? libplasma-dev going away? :) [17:02] Quirky. Seems an upgrade to karmic has changed my mouse pointer sensitivity :-) [17:19] Well, this is disturbing [17:19] update-grub is silently failing to update my boot options [17:24] Ah... because I chose "keep" during the release-upgrader run and ucf was overly aggressive about caching that decision [17:28] How predictable :-) [17:28] Naturally audio is broken in karmic [17:31] and kdelibs5/libplasma-dev are/is broken too [17:41] Hm. Playing an mp3 is working fine. I get pops/crackles from a DVD though [17:49] I do get the idea we're talking to a wall here === dazjorz_ is now known as dazjorz [18:01] It's the weekend [18:31] has anyones system actually broken from any of the ubuntu alpha releases? [18:32] define broken [18:33] well the topic says it will surely break ur system..., out of all of the alpha's i have ran (since the 7.10) none of them have broken my system to an unuseable state [18:33] FFForever: I know at one time the ati driver had a bug that would cripple video cards unless you managed to blindly boot into a windows install that had a working ati driver [18:33] but I think that was before ubuntu existed, actually [18:34] wow thats one heck of a bug [18:34] :D [18:34] if you didn't have windows installed the card was trash [18:34] problem: some of these were laptops [18:36] wait what [18:36] you couldnt plop in a bootmedia with windows installed after the crash? [18:36] rski: can you install WinXP blindly? [18:36] yes [18:36] and then go online, download, and install the ati driver blindly? [18:36] no [18:37] but [18:37] if i have a hdd. [18:37] with windows +ati driver [18:37] i couldn't use that? [18:37] there was some kind of time-constraint [18:37] that it had to boot back into windows [18:37] no but transferring a windows install to another machine just makes it blue screen on boot [18:38] it can [18:38] it dosent do it 100& [18:38] 100% [18:38] it does if you have different hardware [18:38] depends on how different [18:39] they'd have to have the same chipset [18:40] Then there was the kernel that bricked certain intel ethernet adaptors [18:40] yeah, that was fun [18:40] I stopped booting ubuntu when that came up then reinstalled from a LiveCD when it was fixed [18:40] didn't even try to boot and upgrade [18:41] And as far as less permanant breakage is concerned, it looks like I'll need to dual-boot jaunty if I want to watch a DVD right now [18:41] libdvdcss is borked? [18:42] Something pulse/alsa-ish [18:42] I assume [18:42] I get lots of crackling on DVD audio. But not on .mp3 audio, oddly [18:42] well [18:43] audacious gives perfect sound [18:43] mplayer does not [18:43] youtube works fine also [18:43] Indeed, it seems to only be affecting DVDs. [18:43] i haven't played a single dvd but i still get crackling audio in mplayer [18:43] it's not dvd-specific [19:26] Once I found out about that ethernet bug, I just blacklisted e1000e. [19:27] uh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview#line-57 [19:29] dont take is seriosly [19:29] it's just a warning it may eat your data [19:30] While I appreciate humor, I'd prefer if it said that, if it's a real risk (and I assume it is, if karmic is moving to ext4) [19:30] it's not even out yet virtuelv [19:31] notice the "Karmic Alpha 1 eats" [19:38] so [19:38] the kdelibs5-dev / libplasma-dev issue? is it known? [19:39] I'm guessing it's not needed to e-mail any maintainer [20:06] Ubuntu-Studio 9.10 (Karmic Koala) Daily Build, was this one stable? or released properly? [20:07] wilhart_: it's a daily from a pre-alpha [20:07] why would you even think to expect it to be stable? [20:07] BUGabundo: is it bugged? much [20:07] wilhart_: dunno [20:07] BUGabundo: it has ext4 ? [20:07] why don't you test it and report the bugs you find ? [20:07] but jaunty has ext3 [20:08] wilhart_: the installer has ext4 support since mid jaunty devel cycle [20:08] wilhart_: jaunty had ext4 and still does! [20:08] BUGabundo: oh, so should i got jaunty or karmic ? [20:09] wilhart_ got jaunty, Karmic is very buggy at the mo [20:10] nperry: not for me. its as stable as jaunty at this point [20:10] wilhart_: all depends on how experience you are, what makes you want to test [20:10] BUGabundo Had one problem, but that was my own messing :P [20:10] nperry: ok and the file is: ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso 21-Apr-2009 20:53 1.3G Alternate install DVD for PC (Intel x86) computers (standard download) [20:10] wilhart_: if you like to report and follow up on bugs, and if you really need a stable system [20:11] nperry: this is right? [20:11] devel cycle system can and WILL cause breakage [20:11] wilhart_: what are you trying to do? [20:11] to troll us ? [20:11] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/374580 - filed it [20:11] Ubuntu bug 374580 in kde4libs "[karmic] kdelibs5-dev fails to install: trying to overwrite `/usr/include/KDE/Plasma/AbstractRunner', which is also in package libplasma-dev" [Undecided,New] [20:11] BUGabundo: hmm [20:12] dazjorz: I have a similar [20:12] there seem to be a few depencies on kde5 [20:12] kde5 even :P [20:12] BUGabundo: i would like to install ubuntustudio [20:12] kdelibs5 I guess [20:12] yeah it looks as if libplasma-dev was merged into kdelibs5-dev [20:13] but, it doesn't conflict yet, so apt doesn't remove it before kdelibs5-dev [20:13] BUGabundo: last time i installed it it gave red windows with alerts so [20:13] so it fails to install etc [20:13] wilhart_: then go with Desktop version of Studio jaunty [20:13] BUGabundo: sorry what is that? [20:14] wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ [20:15] ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso, i have this so it's right [20:15] wilhart_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ [20:16] that's the 32bits [20:16] do you want 32 or 64bits? [20:16] 32 ! [20:16] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/jaunty/release/ubuntustudio-9.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent [20:16] why the -alternate- ? [20:16] isn't there a -desktop- ? [20:16] or standard or w/e [20:17] dazjorz: studio as no Destop [20:17] just alternate [20:18] BUGabundo: how do i check if the .iso file is good for burning ? [20:18] what was the command hmm [20:18] metalink ? [20:19] its a torrent [20:19] it should auto check after download [20:19] but if you want to be really sure, just check the md5 [20:19] BUGabundo: oh, ok [20:19] !md5 [20:19] To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows [20:20] * maxb ponders the feasibility of using debootstrap to install a new system, not having any isos handy [20:20] let's try it and see :-) [20:20] maxb: I would like to have a better way to do installs too [20:20] maxb: how is that method? [20:20] wilhart_: now leave us to do karmic stuff and ask further help on #ubuntu [20:21] where do i get tthe .md5 file ? [20:21] !md5 > wilhart_ [20:21] wilhart_, please see my private message [20:21] heh [20:21] maxb: I installed my current system through that :P [20:22] it just wouldn't install off the CD, giving an error a few minutes in the process every tie [20:22] time [20:22] so I just mounted the disk, debootstrapped, chrooted, installed some packages, linux and grub, and then rebooted, worked flawlessly [20:22] dazjorz: maxb how is that? [20:22] I used to add a line to grub to lunch the iso [20:22] but that stop working a while ago [20:23] I'm hoping I can debootstrap a jaunty chroot into a new partition, from my running karmic system, chroot into it, install a kernel, install a desktop environment, and boot into it [20:23] so i get ext4 in jaunty ? [20:23] wilhart_: should [20:23] BUGabundo: easy, and fast, and nice :) [20:23] it's just... good :) [20:24] wilhart_: you get a choice during installation [20:24] dazjorz: so man debootstrapped and im done? [20:24] hope this works, i burned with 2.6k/sec [20:24] dazjorz: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel [20:24] wilhart_: don't you have a 2GiBs usb stick? [20:25] wilhart_: I'm not sure Studio has ext4, due to several bugs with the RT kernel [20:25] BUGabundo: i got 16gig stick [20:25] odd thing ntfs-3g is giving me: [20:26] d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Weeks 5-7 [20:26] d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Weeks 8-10 [20:26] instead of drwxrwxrwx [20:26] wilhart_: the use usb-creator instead burning to DVD [20:26] "weeks 5-7" is the folder name. [20:26] DanaG: system was suspended? [20:26] BUGabundo: it's too difficould [20:26] wilhart_: its two clicks! how can that be hard? [20:27] what? :D [20:27] That dir is just corrupt. [20:28] BUGabundo: i need to put bios settings booti with usb-stick ? [20:29] wilhart_: with the greatest respect, if you don't know how to get your machine to boot a usb device you should not be playing with super early development releases [20:29] wilhart_: you may! but you also need to do that for the CD/DVD [20:29] BUGabundo: never booted with usbstick [20:29] wilhart_: further help on that on #ubuntu, ok? this is for karmic [20:29] !usb [20:29] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [20:30] wilhart_: read this links ! [20:31] ok that really sucks [20:31] BUGabundo: it's not all, but [20:32] BUGabundo: debootstrap only installs a very basic system, you need to install a linux-kernel, and a bootloader, etc, but it will work, yeha [20:32] ubottu> For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see [20:32] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: [20:32] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [20:32] sorry [20:32] wrong button [20:33] windows xp/visdta is "alawys" unstable release [20:33] never stable [20:34] wilhart_: if you are on Windows, best/easy way to get Ubuntu (even Studio) is to use Wubi! [20:34] !wubi | wilhart_ [20:34] wilhart_: Wubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug. [20:35] ubottu: i've triedthat didnt like it [20:35] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [20:37] * dazjorz never succesfully used Wubi, and only tried once [20:37] a looong time ago [20:37] yea it's crap [20:37] thanks! [20:38] dazjorz: used it many many times, works 90% of the time [20:38] * BUGabundo is glad the troll left us [20:39] did you think it was a troll? [20:40] dazjorz: he wouldn't accept any tips... [20:41] and was only repeting questions [20:42] hmm [20:42] * dazjorz isn't very good at recognizing trolls [20:43] dazjorz: ok he was just a noob, but had already several bad ideas set [20:48] * dazjorz wonders if he removes libplasma-dev, if the problems will be gone [20:48] ewww [20:48] kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev [20:52] cycling depends.... [20:52] well actually: kdelibs5-dev depends on libplasma-dev but installs files that libplasma-dev installs too [20:52] so it's kind of a mess atm [20:53] yep [20:53] * dazjorz force removes libplasma-dev [20:54] aaaand it's installed, seems ok [20:56] hum ok nice [20:56] looks like the newest kdelibs5 doesn't Depend on libplasma-dev now [21:08] i need help installing ubuntustudio from usbstick can someone help [21:09] that's hard! omg === mbamford` is now known as mbamford === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh