[00:03] <penguin42> dtchen: I triggered it on the proposed kernel on a host with just 3 totem-xine's running
[00:04] <penguin42> dtchen: And that's with the resample trivial and default-fragment-size-msec = 5
[00:05] <dtchen> penguin42: ok.
[00:05] <dtchen> i have no love for realtek or sigmatel/idt
[00:06] <penguin42> anything else you want me to try while I'm here
[00:06] <dtchen> not unless you can compile gst-plugins-good from git head
[00:06] <penguin42> sure - point me at the sources
[00:07] <penguin42> although given xine's triggering it do you think that's relavent?
[00:07]  * maco hides her sigmatel and realtek based laptops from dtchen in case he gets the mallet
[00:08] <dtchen> sure
[00:08] <dtchen> it's a linux bug, but i have no idea [yet] why none of the conexants seem to be dropping
[00:09] <dtchen> i suppose i can ask for the changes to be reverted, but we're going to break some percentage of people
[00:09] <penguin42> dtchen: What's the symptoms they see?
[00:10] <dtchen> what you're seeing
[00:10] <penguin42> oh I see so we have a choice in breaking one or the other of us?
[00:10] <dtchen> of course, that's always how it works
[00:17] <penguin42> dtchen: The git from here: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-good   ?
[00:19] <dtchen> penguin42: yes, but hold off on that
[00:19] <penguin42> oh, I've got it cloning anyway
[00:23] <penguin42> dtchen: My xine config says it's set for esd - although pactl list seems to show ALSA plugin
[00:37] <penguin42> dtchen: I'm going to bed in a few minutes, if there are any tests you can think of you want me to try just mail me at ubuntu@treblig.org - although I very rarely do stuff during the week so it's a lot easier if I get something tomorrow if you want a quick answer
[00:47] <bcurtiswx> hey all, anyone know why jaunty wouldn't know how to handle media from a CD drive and halt the system
[00:48] <bcurtiswx> am i missing a library?
[00:48] <penguin42> ?
[00:48] <penguin42> what happens when you halt?
[00:48] <bcurtiswx> the system doesn't work
[00:48] <bcurtiswx> i move mouse to no avail
[00:48] <ror> bcurtiswx: does this happen with all discs? (could be a bad disc)
[00:48] <bcurtiswx> i can open and close my cd drive
[00:49] <bcurtiswx> ror: all disks
[00:49] <bcurtiswx> discs*
[00:49] <ror> and your system is fine up until the point where you put in a CD?
[00:49] <bcurtiswx> yup
[00:50] <penguin42> What did you install from?
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> i've tried data cd's, audio cd's, video DVD's,
[00:50] <ror> sounds very strange
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> i installed Jaunty i386 desktop
[00:50] <penguin42> from CD?
[00:50] <ror> next time it happens, try pressing ctrl+alt+F1
[00:50] <ror> that'll get you to a terminal at least
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> yup
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> live CD
[00:50] <bcurtiswx> even did a integrity check
[00:50] <ror> and try to take a copy of your /var/log/xorg.1.log (I think?)
[00:51] <ror> ah OK, I don't know much about live CDs so I'll shut up now :)
[00:51] <bcurtiswx> i've had this problem before (in Intrepid) and i installed some package and everything i put into the drive worked again
[00:51] <migbuntu> dtchen: i have the qosmio F50, we spoke a few hours ago.....
[00:51] <migbuntu> since i executed those comands the max sound decrease alote...
[00:51] <migbuntu> i have already checked the volume and is everything in max... i think it was the comands you told to execute...
[00:51] <migbuntu> i just wanted the subwoofer sound and now i barely can hear the front speakers sound...
[00:51] <migbuntu> is there anything i can do?
[00:51] <migbuntu> is there anyone how can help me?
[00:52] <ror> bcurtiswx, you'd probably be better off asking the main #ubuntu channel for support really
[00:53] <migbuntu> i did report the problem here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/374166
[00:53] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 374166 in linux "HDA intel integrated subwoofer doesnt work" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[00:53] <dtchen> migbuntu: which commands?
[00:54] <migbuntu> dtchen:  the comands you told to.... the max sound decreased...
[00:54] <dtchen> which commands?
[00:55] <dtchen> ah
[00:55] <dtchen> you can sudo rm /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
[00:55] <dtchen> then, sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[00:55] <dtchen> anyhow, i'm out for an hour
[00:56] <penguin42> dtchen: Thanks for your help
[00:56] <migbuntu> dtchen: echo options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba-rx1|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
[00:56] <migbuntu> awk -F, '{print $1}' /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/model
[00:56] <migbuntu> sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload
[00:57] <migbuntu> dtchen: yes that one chould work... should i remove ....sound.conf???
[00:57] <migbuntu> dtchen: thanks once again....
[01:01] <migbuntu> i will restart my ubuntu... and tell if it will work...
[01:16] <sk8ingdom> I'm not sure if this is the correct place for this, but I have a problem I can't seem to find online. I have currently have two separate video cards working in jaunty each with their own x server. The problem is that when I use the menu on the right x server, it automatically opens programs on the left x server, thus rendering it useless.
[01:23] <migbuntu> it worked the sound level just is normal again... the subwoofer sound is the only thing missing... ill just wait for the solution...
[02:52] <bcurtiswx> ugh, i wish general users weren't able to change status messages in bugs
[02:53] <bcurtiswx> seems semi-rare (not too rare) that users will move their bugs off of triaged or incomplete to some random status they think is more appropriate
[03:13] <hggdh> yes, that happens... So we move it back to the correct status, and (ideally) used the occasion to tell them why we did it... part of the game, I guess
[05:18] <J_Wesker> hi I need an advice about a problem with Ubuntu
[05:19] <micahg> J_Wesker: this channel is for bug triaging, please try #ubuntu for support
[05:20] <J_Wesker> ok thanks
[07:01] <Hew> Don't you love it when you double-click a .crash file to report it, but instead apport itself crashes and produces its own .crash file? :-)
[07:03] <Hellow> XD
[07:20] <G__81> hi everyone
[10:13] <BioGuyver> Hi All, I think I have found a bug in the Server installation for raid disks but I would like to ask someone about it and find out more.
[10:13] <BioGuyver> Is here a good place?
[10:23] <Hew> BioGuyver: Possibly #ubuntu-server. Filing a bug report on the issue is probably the best first step, then it can be investigated/triaged.
[10:24] <BioGuyver> thanks
[10:25] <andol> BioGuyver: Checking existing bugs might also be a good idea.
[10:26] <BioGuyver> andol: Where is the best place to do this?
[10:28] <andol> BioGuyver: My best guess would be in the debian-installer and mdadm
[10:28] <andol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[10:28] <andol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm
[10:29] <andol> Well, the second part (mdadm) kind of assumes software raid, which I'm not sure if you are refering to.
[10:29] <BioGuyver> it is software raid and mdadm so that looks good
[10:29] <BioGuyver> I'll have a poke around in there now.Thanks
[12:00] <BUGabundo> I can't file a bug on apport with apport
[12:00] <BUGabundo> grrr
[12:12] <dwg> gah
[12:14] <dwg> infuriating intel driver X bug
[12:14] <dwg> 374431
[12:16] <askand> I was just about to ask about intelbug too, but bug 349992
[12:16] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 349992 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945 tiling] (Needs kernel 2.6.30-rc3) Low performance due to no A17 workaround" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/349992
[12:16] <askand> It is marked as fix released because of 2.6.30 kernel now in karmic. However I strongly think this bug should be fixed in Jaunty aswell?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> askand: it probably won't be - uxa isn't the default, fortunately
[12:26] <Hobbsee> so it only affects those who specifically turn it on, and I can't imagine they'd backport the patches in such a case
[12:26] <Hobbsee> due to risk and such
[12:29] <Hobbsee> (afaik)
[12:59] <askand> Hobbsee: Bad intelperformance affects people who don't turn uxa on too. This man writes a good conclusion on the problem http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/2009/05/04/jaunty-kernel-2630-fixes-the-intel-video/
[12:59] <askand> And he is using EXA
[13:01] <Hobbsee> hrm, i hadn't noticed it being that bad.
[13:04] <askand> Hobbsee: I think it depends on the card too, on my intellaptop it is barely usable
[13:05] <askand> Phoronix have an interesting article to how "Intel Linux Driver Kills The Netbook Experience" http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzIyMA
[13:05] <Hobbsee> this is where i start to think apple has the right idea
[13:05] <Hobbsee> only run it on a specific subset of hardware, and then you can be certain it all runs, all the time
[13:06] <Hobbsee> rather than the whole "this affects some people, but not others, with seemingly the same hardware"
[13:07] <askand> Hobbsee: Indeed, but haven't you noticed any signs of bad preformance in Jaunty compared to Intrepid?
[13:07] <Hobbsee> askand: hrmm.  A couple - big pictures in firefox taking a few seconds to load, occasionally.  My video performance is streets ahead in jaunty.  Not sure on shredder, seeing as that's not official
[13:08] <Hobbsee> compiz is a little less snappy, perhaps
[13:08] <Hobbsee> in alt+tab
[13:08] <Hobbsee> otherwise, graphics-wise, no
[13:08] <Hobbsee> (standard dell 6400)
[13:09] <Hobbsee> 908 frames in 5.0 seconds = 181.448 FPS
[13:09] <Hobbsee> 964 frames in 5.0 seconds = 192.798 FPS
[13:10] <Hobbsee> hrm, which is apparently low
[13:10] <Hobbsee> apparently i don't run the highly graphics things
[13:12] <askand> Perhaps the bad performance is more noticable on already bad cards, I wouldn't think it's a very good card in my Asus EEE PC for example
[13:12] <Hobbsee> oh, i'd expect so
[13:12] <Hobbsee> (do they even have the 945gm's?)
[13:13] <Hobbsee> i'm just hoping ekiga or twinkle suddenly starts working again
[13:13] <Hobbsee> although others don't seem to have problems
[13:14] <askand> No, it's 915 in them I think, ekiga however works fine for me
[13:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know it works for everyone else.  It just doens't like me :-S
[13:19] <Hobbsee> didn't test intrepid's version, so it'll be interesting to see how jaunty's goes.
[13:26] <lifeless> Hobbsee:  you know the deal; you want it to work....do thyself
[13:27] <Hobbsee> lifeless: i've never been able to track down why it doesn't work.  But yes, i'll likely end up trying that route again
[13:27] <lifeless> the voip protocols are amazingly silly
[13:27] <Hobbsee> heh, indeed.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> actually, iirc, it was more a problem with my mic going nuts.
[13:27] <Hobbsee> or maybe that was the previous time
[13:28] <Hobbsee> no, this time, it was that it wouldn't even connect.  that's right
[13:28] <Hobbsee> will have to try again :)
[14:50] <bencrisford1> what command would give the name of a disk drive/burner?
[14:50] <bencrisford1> i couldnt see mine in lspci
[14:51] <penguin42> it's not in lspci because it's not directly connected to PCI
[14:51] <Nafallo> the name as in?
[14:52] <bencrisford1> like you get from an lspci for other hardware
[14:52] <bencrisford1> penguin42: what command would I run then?
[14:53] <penguin42> waht do you want the device like /dev/splat or do you want a name like 'Acme Drivemakers'
[14:53] <bencrisford1> basically someone has reported a bug to do with disk burning
[14:54] <bencrisford1> i was gonna tell them how to post their hardware name
[14:54] <bencrisford1> because it could be useful for develoeprs
[14:55] <bencrisford1> g2g, i posted what i knew
[14:55] <bencrisford1> bye
[18:02] <maxb> So.... anyone have any idea how I'd file a useful bug on "Audio is crackly from DVDs only?"
[18:03] <penguin42> only from DVDs?? No other audio playback - say rhythmbox?
[18:05] <maxb> Oddly, .mp3s play fine
[18:06] <maxb> even when playing in the same software as the DVDs which don't
[18:06] <penguin42> it might depend on CPU loading
[18:06] <maxb> also, the same problem occurs playing the DVDs in either totem or mplayer
[18:06] <maxb> hmm... possibility
[18:06] <penguin42> maxb: You might have this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/345627
[18:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Medium,Fix committed]
[18:07] <maxb> hmm
[18:07] <maxb> though that bug is targetted at jaunty
[18:08] <penguin42> what you on?
[18:08] <maxb> And my problem only started after upgrading to karmic
[18:08] <penguin42> ah ok
[19:10] <chaos2fu> are there someone here that are currently running ubuntu netbook remix and can help me to get the panels and the menus back in place?
[19:36] <elena09> hello
[19:36] <micahg> greetings
[19:36] <elena09> hibernate bug
[19:36] <elena09> at my tower
[19:49] <elena09> can't exit from Hibernate, lots of numbers repeating on the screen, indefinetely, after I moved the mouse
[19:51] <nellery_> elena09: please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for reporting bugs
[19:52] <elena09> I thought you knew about that...
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> anyone know what mounts CD and DVD media in Jaunty?
[21:21] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: humm #ubuntu ?
[21:21] <bcurtiswx> im being ignored
[21:22] <bcurtiswx> one person said "its automatic"
[21:22] <bcurtiswx> thanks.. sherlock
[21:23] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I guess nothing...
[21:23] <BUGabundo> you don't auto mount cds
[21:23] <BUGabundo> fstab should have a rule for it
[21:23] <BUGabundo> and the filemanager should have access to it
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> anything i insert into my cd/dvd drive ubuntu freezes
[21:23] <bcurtiswx> im just trying to find the culprit
[21:23] <bencrisford1> bcurtiswx: try typing mount into terminal
[21:23] <BUGabundo> if it is a media disc, then some apps can autostart
[21:25] <bcurtiswx> its probably just in need of a new drive... which sucks
[21:26] <bencrisford1> did typing 'mount' not work bcurtiswx?
[21:26] <bcurtiswx> it worked, but it just shows me what is mounted
[21:27] <bcurtiswx> brb
[21:28] <bencrisford1> oh
[21:31] <BUGabundo> dtchen: come on.... tell themuso that log scales is a bad thing!! lower then 60% is equal to MUTE
[21:33] <bcurtiswx> what dvd drives work best with ubuntu?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> heheh
[21:34] <BUGabundo> which one don't?
[21:35] <bcurtiswx> mine
[21:35] <bcurtiswx> Optiarc DVD RW AD-7173A
[21:36] <BUGabundo> ROFL
[21:38] <bcurtiswx> it causes ubuntu to freeze anytime i insert something into it
[21:39] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: could be a bad drive and causing kernel panic
[21:40] <BUGabundo> I've seen that with other devices
[21:40] <bcurtiswx> which is why im probably going to replace it
[21:40] <bcurtiswx> hance my question "which ones work best"
[21:40] <bcurtiswx> hence*
[21:40] <BUGabundo> any !
[21:43] <bcurtiswx> <looks for the "any" brand DVD drive> :P
[21:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:44] <BUGabundo> any cheap but relliable
[22:43] <dtchen> BUGabundo: do you really expect upstream to agree? you might want to raise it there.
[22:44] <BUGabundo> dtchen: heh thanks for the input!
[22:45] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I do agree log is better then linear. but it's a diff use case and many users will find it hard to use (at beiggining)
[22:46] <dtchen> yeah, well, people are going to scream bloody murder at everything in karmic, then
[22:46] <scream> .
[22:47] <BUGabundo> dtchen: eheh here is mine THIS SUCKSSSS ehehe
[22:48] <BUGabundo> dtchen: if I lower to ~65% its MUTE, its no use for me
[22:48] <BUGabundo> and even at 100% its lower then ibex was
[22:48] <dtchen> that's a driver issue unless you can reproduce it w/o pa
[22:49] <BUGabundo> I can try removing auto spawn and try OSS or alsa to be sure
[22:49] <dtchen> i'm probably going to have to tag 345627 verification failed :(
[22:49] <BUGabundo> bug 345627
[22:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 345627 in linux "Crackling / scratching noise using Pulseaudio" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345627
[22:50] <BUGabundo> dtchen: no true
[22:50] <BUGabundo> it *works* for some users
[22:50] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:50] <dtchen> yes, but it's known-broken for some users in 11.42 and introduces a regression for others in 12.43
[22:51] <dtchen> it's better to have known breakage than to introduce new regressions
[22:51] <BUGabundo> dtchen: be glad to only have 2 dupes and so few comments
[22:51] <dtchen> well, the problem is that this bug touches the _entire_ audio stack
[22:51] <BUGabundo> I guess you will have to have a spare kernel for those affected to whom a special kernel fixes it
[22:51] <dtchen> from the hardware+bios, linux, alsa-lib, pulseaudio, alsa-plugins, and apps
[22:51] <BUGabundo> like the one before release
[22:55] <dtchen> yeah, but that's a lot of overhead for me
[22:55] <dtchen> more importantly, people using such a kernel will not get support
[23:09] <BUGabundo> humm https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-users is 404 duh