[00:04] doko: I see that calc has assigned bug #373911 to you; will you have time to work on this in advance of alpha 1 (which basically means getting it done by Monday), or should I have a look? (Or should we defer it until after alpha-1, to avoid OOo breaking the world once we unblock it? :) [00:04] Launchpad bug 373911 in gcj-4.4 "gcj fails to build OOo 3.1.0 on i386/lpia due to claim that libgcj.spec missing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373911 [00:05] I guess the immediate problem can be fixed just by merging up gcj-4.4 [00:05] calc: ^^ [00:08] waaah, 7 digit soyuz queue numbers :( [00:09] hmm. [00:13] E: collectd: shlib-with-non-pic-code usr/sbin/collectdmon [00:13] so very wrong :P [01:07] slangasek, how does http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mono/packages/mono.git;a=commitdiff;h=88098645f7292133a52c5bc068b8fcdc94b12d4e look in terms of mono preinst stuff? [01:41] directhex: "dpkg --compare-versions [...] && if"? [01:41] directhex: "if dpkg --compare-versions [...] &&" would be more idiomatic [01:42] directhex: btw, I think it would look cleaner if instead of generating this snippet in debian/rules, you had a copy of it as a separate file under debian/ that you could append as needed [01:42] howso? [01:43] hmm? [01:44] you mean pull in a preinst template rather than using echo? [01:44] yeah [01:44] with a sed for the $$p bits [01:45] the existing code is fine, I'm just generally averse to doing significant bits of scripting directly in a Makefile on account of the escaping requiremenst [01:45] yeah, there were an awful lot of try/retry iterations to get it right [01:45] i'll look into it tomorrow === poningru_ is now known as poningru === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [03:52] Does anyone know how to do RAID configurations on Ubuntu, I have a few questions. [03:53] mrhoden2009: You want #ubuntu. [03:54] thanks, I tried there but without much luck [03:54] do you know a better channel? [03:54] I'm not sure, but certainly not here. [03:54] I tried ubuntu-server as well [03:55] lol okay thanks === evanrmurphy_ is now known as evanrmurphy [04:43] slangasek: i have a workaround that i think i may use... turn off using gcj entirely in OOo [04:44] slangasek: gcj seems to be fairly crap in any case so getting rid of gcj support in OOo isn't really a loss afaict [04:45] calc: mm? what's gcj do that's silly to OOo? [04:50] sorry my desktop stopped accepting keyboard input and my laptop didn't fully work after resuming [04:51] maco: so the issue is bug 373911 [04:51] Launchpad bug 373911 in gcj-4.4 "gcj fails to build OOo 3.1.0 on i386/lpia due to claim that libgcj.spec missing" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373911 [04:51] maco: it seems that gcj does not work properly on i386/lpia or perhaps when used with aotcompile [04:52] maco: aotcompile.py is part of gcj though so probably should work, and OOo relies on it working to compile native jars [04:52] fun...what is .spec in terms other than rpm packaging? [04:53] it tells libgcj how to do linking [04:53] ah ok [04:54] the file is actually there or at least should be, its there on my test chroot but gcj seems to be unable to find it [04:55] hmm my keyboard wasn't actually dead it seems firefox ate it [04:55] ive been running into that problem with Qt apps a lot [04:56] i killed firefox and then logged out and back into X and everything works fine again [04:56] type type type and nothing shows up [04:56] ah i just have to change window focus about 10 times or so, then my kbd works again. killing the app thats rejecting input also works [04:57] maco: it ate it to where i couldn't even get a terminal to work [04:57] yea killing firefox in this case seemed to help [04:58] it also seemed to cause my mouse not to work correctly either probably the same issue [05:01] anyone else get a 'disable advertising' button on /. ? === poningru_ is now known as poningru [05:43] hey guys....keep up the great work....9.04 has approved alot..in preformence..speed...lolks === calc_ is now known as calc [05:57] hello all [05:57] 'lo [05:57] my hibernate works! finally! who can i thank for this!! [05:58] it just .. works outside of the box with jaunty [05:58] and I am really thankful. Give me some names .. something.. i wanna thank them for this [06:19] DShepherd: It was all me ;) [06:20] DShepherd: I waved a magic wand over it [06:20] hehehe [06:20] Seriously though, that'd be the kernel team and/or the guys who work on your graphics driver [06:20] * DShepherd praise Amaranth [06:20] nvidia card here... [06:21] i dont think I am using the opensource driver here [06:21] Amaranth, but thanks for the direction though. I am in ubuntu-kernel channel now [06:23] calc: er, I don't see the basis for saying that gcj is "fairly crap". [06:23] calc: it just happens to be out of sync with gcc 4.4 right now, as I said. [06:24] Amaranth, dont you do some nvidia driver work? [06:25] DShepherd: nope, in the dapper days I packaged a driver in my PPA that supported GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap but otherwise I stay away [06:25] Amaranth, ah ok. [07:16] mneptok: you sure have a lot of nerve talking about pie on the planet, at least you tried to calm the Chicago waters here, but I have an army who is ready to fight for best pie :p [07:27] nixternal: I want pie... give me some! [07:28] mmmmm, spacca's tomorrow for some good ol' pie and beer....pizza maffia style :) [07:30] nixternal: Chicago pizza isn't pie. it's dough with some red stuff on top. >;) [07:30] oh man, you are asking for it! [07:30] * nixternal whistles and summons up the good fellahs [07:31] nhandler: help me out dude, lets do this Chicago style! [07:31] * mneptok looks around ABQ and Rio Rancho [07:31] hehe [07:31] prolly more mafiosi here than there ;) [07:31] all you have done there is the sun! [07:31] mneptok: depends, can we count the ones who just went to prison here? [07:31] three words. "In Plain Sight" [07:32] Blagojevich is Italian? >;) [07:32] mneptok: they don't count, they are all down there as Paul Smith in witness protection :P [07:32] no, blago is just stupid [07:32] like Chicago pizza. [07:32] * mneptok runs [07:32] oh mna [07:32] man [07:32] * nixternal whistles louder [08:23] mneptok: OOI, how does "New York, New York" rate on your scale of Portland pizzerias? :) [08:23] (and if you know better, please share :) === hunger_ is now known as hunger [08:32] slangasek: no idea. never been there. [08:32] slangasek: if the crust is more than a pinky finger thick, and shows no sign of burning, it's crap. :) [08:34] heh [08:34] of course it's not more than a pinky finger thick :) [08:35] it's New York style, not Pizza Hut style [08:35] Pizza Hut isn't pizza. it's ketchup on a bagel with a genetic defect. >:P [08:41] lool, doko: I'm having a poke at the gcj-4.4 merge, so that gcj can find its .spec file again, and I'm confused about how it's supposed to be configured on armel because the changelog says "build with --with-float=softfp --with-fpu=vfp", and the debian/rules disagrees - which way is this supposed to be? [09:07] slangasek: We deferred these changes [09:07] ok [09:07] slangasek: To only switch when we move up to >= armv6 [09:07] Until then, we have compat with non-vfp systems [09:07] * slangasek nods [09:08] Thanks for the merge! [12:00] pitti: ping. I can't file a bug on apport using apport === edsoncanto is now known as ecanto [13:28] slangasek: preparing an upload now [13:57] I have a patch to fix small bug in open-terminal extension [13:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-open-terminal/+bug/333462 [13:57] Ubuntu bug 333462 in nautilus-open-terminal "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,Confirmed] [13:57] How to get it included? [14:10] MaximLevitsky, attach the patch [14:10] to the bugreport in launchpad [14:10] poningru: I did so [14:10] a debdiff that is [14:11] ping one of the core devs? though that is frowned upon iirc [14:11] poningru: isn't there a standard way to mark a bug report as fixed/patch attached ? [14:12] I assigned it to ubuntu-main-sponsors in hope that will help [14:12] subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors, and they'll sponsor it [14:12] (please don't assign them) [14:14] Hobbsee: ok, done [14:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess [14:17] this package belongs to universe [14:18] so can I unsubscribe main sponsers/ [14:18] ? === asac_ is now known as asac === azeem_ is now known as azee === azee is now known as azeem [14:33] dear fellow archive admins: diffstat isn't installed, which seems to prevent me from running lintian, that's not just me right? === ecanto is now known as Edson === Edson is now known as edson [15:21] slangasek: re launchpadlib remotely> I run it just fine remotely here-- am I missing something? [15:34] How do you run launchpadlib non-remotely? [16:02] slangasek: 'fairly crap' was with regards to it causing quite a few bugs over the years with OOo due to not being good enough compared to java spec [16:02] slangasek: before we converted over to using openjdk for OOo we would get bugs about java related code not working correctly on a fairly regular basiss [16:03] does openjdk run on all arches yet? [16:05] directhex: it apparently has issues on ia64 but afaict I am using it for all other archs now [16:05] directhex: ia64 is still using gcj :\ [16:06] i've seen bugs even recently about gcj usage when people have installed the ooo-gcj package so getting rid of it would probably not be a bad thing [16:06] calc, how odd, sun re-released an ia64 version of java 6 very recently [16:06] after a big java-shaped drought for itanic users [16:06] directhex: i didn't set ia64 to use gcj rene did, so i'm not entirely sure why he did that, probably due to some bugs [16:07] perhaps [16:10] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=502422 [16:10] Debian bug 502422 in openoffice.org "openoffice.org_1:3.0.0-2(ia64/experimental): UNO calling Java" [Serious,Closed] [16:10] that was why he disabled openjdk on ia64 [16:12] calc: 'fairly crap' is also how I would describe OOo as a whole [16:12] Chipzz: true :) [16:12] OOo is software nobody really wants to use, but uses at a lack of better alternative [16:13] Chipzz: but a java compiler that doesn't compile valid java isn't particularly useful [16:13] yeah [16:13] Chipzz, waiting to see what happens next w/ Oracle and OOo [16:13] but then, 'fairly crap' is /also/ how I would describe Java as a whole [16:14] mildly amusing that sun java can't compile sun openoffice, but hey ho [16:14] :P [16:14] i don't think i can describe java in those terms without starting a CoC debate [16:14] Java is an academic experiment ran out of hand :P [16:15] java is a trailblazing pioneer [16:15] Yup. You look at some portions of its APIs, and you think "What *idiot* designed this?" [16:16] looks like doko already fixed gcj for me though so i can retry the builds :) [16:16] directhex: openjdk isn't really sun java, its sun java that has been modified to some extent [16:17] maxb, i think java combines wild-eyed innocence at its newness, with a very very long backwards-compatibility approach. this may be considered "bad" [16:17] amusingly, for a lot of things I've tried it for, gnumeric and abiword work at least as good/better than OOo [16:17] directhex: afaik sun java itself does build OOo but is non-free so we don't use that [16:17] hi [16:17] i have a question of whether something would be possible or not [16:18] have you tried asking on #ubuntu first? :P [16:18] * calc agrees with the intrepreted languages being not particularly useful (esp due to being very slow) debate ;-) [16:18] i often have a lot of development packages on my system that i only use once [16:18] would it be possible for computer janitor to eventually remove those [16:18] meoblast001: apt-get auto-remove [16:18] now go to #ubuntu please :) [16:18] ok [16:19] (may also be autoremove with the -) [16:19] weird how you can just *feel* that whatever someone is going to ask will be off-topic even before they ask it [16:19] It must be said #ubuntu is somewhat useless due to its own success :-/ [16:21] One of benefits of running the development release is the ability to use #ubuntu+1 with a clearl concience :-) [16:21] i ba=rely trust karmic in a pbuilder yet, let alone on a real pc [16:22] maxb: even better to just build in chroots then you don't cruft up your system to begin with [16:22] calc: it's not so much the interpreted nature of java (which isn't even 100% true to start with) I have a problem with [16:23] python is interpreted too [16:23] yea python is slow too :) [16:23] and so is .net [16:23] * calc used to have a link comparing various languages speed [16:23] mono is a lot faster compared to java last I tried [16:24] yea [16:24] iirc python was something like an order of magnitude slower than c at least in some areas [16:24] one of the few things I don't fault M$ for [16:24] mono is faster in many cases, but has a juch slower GC [16:24] and .net was a few times slower and java a few times slower than .net [16:24] python is ~60x slower than mono [16:24] .net being a few times slower than c [16:25] but then, the benchmarks you ran probably aren't very relevant to real world use [16:26] in practice, most of the time, be it in Java, .Net or Python is spent in bindings (ie native code) [16:26] and I doubt there are benchmarks comparing the same program in gtk+, pygtk, gtk# and java-gnome [16:27] yea and for mostly gui programs you just need fast enough code [16:27] most apps aren't cpu bound, they just wait for user input all the time [16:28] and like I said, even the user input waiting happens in C :p [16:28] Chipzz, and where most time is spent waitring for user input, the important factor shifts to "does writing this code give me a hernia?" [16:29] personally I decide what language to write a program in based on whatever is most suited/fits the idiom best [16:30] or amounts to the least lines of code [16:30] (excluding whitespace/semiwhitespace/comments) [16:31] semiwhitesspace -> things like { and } in C for example [16:31] if (foo) [16:31] { [16:31] bar; [16:31] } [16:31] would be counted as only 2 lines [17:14] slangasek: do you happen to know what is wrong with libltdl7-dev on powerpc i got the same build failure for OOo as the other one that was an arch mismatch but i didn't see it in the mismatch file [17:14] slangasek: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26510428/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.openoffice.org_1%3A3.1.0~rc2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:18] calc: that package doesn't exist in karmic [17:18] probably libltdl-dev now [17:19] james_w: ok [17:20] so then i guess unixodbc is bugged because the last version uploaded specifically depends on libltdl7-dev :\ [17:21] " * (Build)-depend on libltdl7-dev to fix dependencies on armel." [17:21] well that was an upload to jaunty [17:22] well is now buggy rather since it needs to be updated [17:22] hmm no libltdl-dev provides libltdl7-dev [17:23] * calc checks when libtool was last built on powerpc [17:23] ah it probably was built after OOo failed [18:11] hi, i have a problem with my own generated ftp-archive generated package set, i can debootrap the sysetem, but tasksel fails because it cannot fund task minimal. i am assuming i missed a step, but i cannot for the life of me figure out where. [19:15] any ideas on my problem? [19:18] what is really strange is i can run the tasksel command and it asks me to select the openssh server [19:18] could the problem be in my preseed file? [19:19] in reality i do not even want tasksel to run at all since i have a full package list i would rather have installed [19:32] I am trying to use kernel set_memory_ro method from asm/cacheflush.h, but it fails when I am doing insmod, says "unknown symbol set_memory_ro", I am using ubuntu 9.04 [19:41] TheMuso_: linus has merged the last of the stable 1.0.20 alsa-kernel bits. === nellery_ is now known as nellery [19:54] dtchen: Would you perhaps be able to suggest on what package I should report popping/crackling audio *only* when playing from DVDs (on karmic)? [19:56] maxb: start with the player, and we'll triage from there [19:56] hmm, I have reproduced the same in totem and mplayer [19:56] maxb: which output was mplayer using? [19:57] (-ao pulse or -ao alsa?) [19:57] I tried it with -ao alsa and -ao pulse, it sounded the same in both cases [19:57] then it's pulseaudio or lower [19:57] i'd file one affecting pa [19:58] Ok, will do then, thanks === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppete [20:21] *sigh* this tasksel bug is driving me nuts, is there any documentation on how these things work beyond the stock debain installer information? [20:22] it seems there are a few parts missing [20:23] its seems that no matter what is in my preseed file it cannot find task minimal... and its not clear how these tasks are defined from what i can see [20:27] jdstrand: how is launchpadlib supposed to launch your browser for the authentication callback? [20:29] calc: well, gcj is already fixed now thanks to doko, so there's no reason to drop OOo-gcj as a quick-n-dirty workaround here. If it should be dropped on its own merits, then fine... [20:31] calc: the libltdl7-dev thing was actually that the real libltdl7-dev package was still in the archive but uninstallable; now that it's NBSed out, things should build fine [20:31] slangasek: you can copy over an auth token just like we do with the cookie [20:31] james_w: ah. well, AFAICS, that's the part that's been Not Working with syncbugbot anyway :) [20:31] true :-) [20:34] is there a better channel to ask questions on how to customize the installer? [20:35] * ScottK thinks #ubuntu-installer exists. [20:35] its pretty dead in there [20:36] !weekend [20:36] It's a weekend. Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question. Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week. [20:36] hmmm... is there any online documentation on the changes that ubuntu makes to the debian installer that i could look into? [20:37] i am not finding the right google keywords it seems [20:41] geiseri_: look in the changelog [20:42] is there a package for the debian installer itself? [20:42] * a|wen would without looking guess at debian-installer [20:43] there is one afaik but i think its like simple-ccd or debian-cd, they are not ubuntufied [20:43] debian-installer is lots of packages [20:43] * geiseri_ will look again [20:46] i mean i didnt think what i was doing was that hard to do... all i needed was a cd that booted up and installed ubuntu onto a system with a set partition scheme, and package list... [20:47] it is not the OEM option you are looking for? [20:48] if it worked it would be close... the rub is im trying to add a few extra packages that are not on the base install [20:48] it seems though when i change the package list all sorts of things break for non-obvious reasons === tkamppete is now known as tkamppeter [20:57] slangasek: yea i saw, i think i will just keep it around now [20:58] slangasek: i'll be watching to see if it fails for any other reason and try to get it fixed in time for alpha 1 (tomorrow night is effectively freeze aiui) [20:59] * calc hopes the mass give back doesn't delay the alpha 1 release [21:00] calc: working boost1.35 :) [21:00] several of the buildds have 400+ packages still left to build [21:07] if anyone has time to sponsor some boost updates to get things into shape (working) again it would be nice :) most importantly bug 373962 and also bug 371617 [21:08] Launchpad bug 373962 in boost1.35 "merge boost1.35 1.35.0-10 from debian unstable (main) - mpl headers not compiling" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/373962 [21:08] Launchpad bug 371617 in boost1.37 "Installs files to /build/buildd" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371617 === edsoncanto is now known as edson === edson is now known as edsoncanto === edsoncanto is now known as edson === edson is now known as edsoncanto [21:34] Hello! I'm trying to get a fix for bug 345706 into Ubuntu main. This is the first time I have tried to get anything into Ubuntu main. [21:34] Launchpad bug 345706 in packagekit "CMake can't find QPackageKit by default" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345706 [21:34] I have already done one mistake. (I assumed I needed permission from those responsible for the package before I could subscribe main sponsors) Could anyone check if I have done others? [21:35] By the way: How long should a package be in Karmic before I can suggest a sru to jaunty? === ecanto is now known as edson === edson is now known as ecanto [21:38] anything I can do better (more details in the bug report etc) to increace the chanse of it getting in? === beuno_ is now known as beuno === mbamford` is now known as mbamford [23:03] dtchen: thanks for the heads up. [23:04] it amuses me slightly that alsa-tools 1.0.20 lacks all the necessary autotools bits [23:04] there's a gitcompile script...and nothing else. [23:06] pitti: i'm afraid 345627 is going to have to be tagged verification-failed; even though linux-2.6.28-12.43-generic fixes the symptoms for some users, it presents an awesome regression for others. i feel it's better to live with known breakage than introduce a regression. [23:09] dtchen: heh well that shouldn't be a problem. [23:16] dtchen: that's a shame [23:17] it seemed to make audio a bit less blippy for me in skype under heavy load [23:17] maybe like all this other audio stuff it's placebo effect :) [23:17] jdong: yeah, well, rock..hard place. [23:17] understood [23:17] there's still so much more work to get the _drivers_ stable, much less upper parts of the stack. [23:19] I see [23:20] IIRC 70+% of the bugs of linux [kernel] are in drivers [23:20] well that's probably where all the sloppy "quick get it out" coding happens. [23:21] and the long nights with coffee spent futzing with registers until something magically starts working. [23:21] dtchen: does alsa-tools still use autoconf? [23:21] dtchen: just doesn't ship configure? [23:21] lifeless: yes I would think so [23:21] TheMuso_: so would I, I'm trying to be sure ;) [23:21] TheMuso_: also, the ataraid list fails :) [23:22] lifeless: you're telling me. No response from upstream re your issue. [23:22] I can't help wondering whether they have abandoned dmraid for the new metadata support going into mdadm 3 or some such. [23:22] if so it would be nice to TELL THEIR USERS [23:22] agreed [23:23] anyhoo [23:23] lifeless: it normally ships configure. however, it [1.0.20] only ships a one-line gitcompile script. it lacks Makefile.am, configure.ac, ... [23:23] kinda fail. [23:23] dtchen: wow [23:23] TheMuso_: ^ file under assumptions :O [23:24] TheMuso_: is danwood76 the debian maintaer of dmraid ? [23:24] lifeless: no [23:25] who then - some random? [23:25] dtchen: I'd say 1.0.20a or some such will be out within days. [23:25] yeah [23:27] TheMuso_: so I'll whip up a decoder for what appear to be magic bytes on my drives; will you be happy to apply that? [23:27] lifeless: Sure. I'd say the debian maintainer will be interested as well. I'll be committing it to Debian and karmic, then I'll SRU it for jaunty. [23:28] cool