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binarymutantif anyone would care to review and possibly advocate my package, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit, I would be very appreciative00:26
nhandlerbinarymutant: I don't have time for a full review, but you should mention the patch that you added in debian/changelog00:47
kostmo__dear reviewers, would anyone like to take a look at my new package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/ppower ?  It is for controlling X10 devices unsupported by the "bottlerocket" package.01:00
binarymutantnhandler, thank you, I will add that information01:16
james_wurgh, I wish I had never looked at this package now01:43
binarymutant:( hope its not mine :(01:43
james_wnah01:44
binarymutant:)01:44
directhexpoor james_w01:46
james_wI think maybe we should put it out to pasture01:47
directhexas long as it's not "linux" we're talking about...01:48
binarymutantif anyone would care to review and possibly advocate my package, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit, I would be very appreciative01:50
binarymutantif someone has the time to review and possibly advocate my package, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit, I would be extremely appreciative. Thanks :)02:44
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serialorderI have a package that FTBFS because debian/rules calls pythong2.603:36
serialorderpython2.6*03:36
serialordersorry i will start over03:37
serialorderI have a package that FTBFS because debian/rules calls python2.503:37
serialorderchanging it to python2.6 corrects the problem03:37
serialorderwhat I am wondering is if I should change it to python2.6 or the less brittle /usr/bin/python ?03:38
lifelessserialorder: well, find out why first03:38
lifelessif there is a reason for it to call a specific version you will need to keep doing that03:39
serialorderI dont think there is anything version specific in there, I will double check and if there is not then should I just call python ?03:41
lifelessif there is no reason to use a specific one, just call 'python'03:41
serialorderthanks lifeless03:41
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binarymutantIf someone has the time to advocate my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit I would greatly appreciate it :)05:02
StupendoussteveI am working on a merge on a package in Universe, Maintainer is set to Ubuntu Core Developers, is this correct?05:50
lifelessunlikely but possible05:51
lifelesssome packages in universe build binaries for main05:51
jdongcould also be a hastily demoted package05:53
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StupendoussteveIt hasn't been touched since gutsy05:54
lifelesslikely wrong then... what package?05:55
StupendoussteveIt is ssed05:55
StupendoussteveThe changes are not large, I am doing it for practice but would like to correct that if it is wrong :)05:57
lifelesscertainly looks wrong to me05:57
lifelessI'd change it05:57
binarymutantany available to do a revu?06:52
iuliandirecthex: Hey.  You don't need to ack your own sync requests, just file the bug and subscribe u-a.07:11
iulianbinarymutant: If you say what package it is, then perhaps someone will take a look at it.07:13
binarymutantIf someone has the time to advocate my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit I would greatly appreciate it :)07:14
fransmanWhat got to be done to get debbug 473781 done, so we solve a ubuntu one08:56
Elbrusfransman: have you contacted the maintainer?09:09
fransmanElbrus: If I am well Savvas Radevic did that for bug 31920409:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 319204 in flumotion "Please package new upstream version of flumotion (universe)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31920409:13
savvaspresent!09:14
fransmansavvas: Did you contacted the maintainer as Elbrus is asking for09:15
savvasfransman: as far as I remember, the reply was it has to be tested and given the appropriate build-depends09:15
savvasfransman: it was quite some time ago, so.. lool: what's the status with flumotion in debian? :)09:17
fransmansavvas: but that's ok, we are here now http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=47378109:18
ubottuDebian bug 473781 in flumotion "flumotion: new upstream release" [Wishlist,Open]09:19
loolsavvas: ENOTIME09:19
savvaser.. what?09:21
loolAs in I don't have time to take care of new upstream versions09:21
loolI think the packaging is decent, there are some oddnesses, but updating it to new upstream versions requires careful checking of the deps09:22
savvasok thanks :)09:22
fransmansavvas: Are you in contact with Thomas Vander Stichele to help you out?09:24
loolI'm not 100% sure he's the best contact09:25
fransmanlool: because he does the same for rpm if I am well09:26
savvasfransman: I'm not interested in the package, but maybe I'll check it out later and provide a new cleaner patch for the new upstream version - but no promises though, exam perios is coming up soon :)09:27
loolWell that's quite different packaging; I don't think he's versed in Debian packaging; he does know the flumotion code well though09:27
savvas*period09:27
loolSomeone from Fluendo picked up my packaging for their internal use; but I don't recall who it was and I don't see him on #fluendo09:28
lool(probably because it's the WE°09:28
fransmanlool: was it jdahlin?09:35
loolI think so09:38
fransmanlool: Thomas said we list the dependencies in our README, in configure.ac, and in the rpm spec09:39
loolSome are split differently in Debian/Ubuntu, e.g. twisted, and the runtime deps are tricky to get right09:41
fransmantrue09:42
fransmanlool: Can I forward a e-mail by Thomas to you?09:46
binarymutantIf someone has the time to review and possibly advocate my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit I would greatly appreciate it :)09:47
loolfransman: Sure09:55
artfwobinarymutant: I am not a MOTU neither I am good at packaging, but you have a common mistake: the changelog should only contain an "Initial release" entry AFAIK09:57
lifelessartfwo: it can contain multiple entries10:05
artfwooh, by was often told by the crowd to collapse all the entries into a single one10:06
a|wenthat depends on the sponsor ... some wants it collapsed, some don't and some don't care10:07
lifelessits more style than anything10:07
lifelessbinarymutant: consider using dh 7, its much more compact10:08
lifelessartfwo: that said, the package he's asking for review only has one changelog entry10:09
lifeless--- lxsplit-0.2.4.orig/debian/changelog10:09
lifeless+++ lxsplit-0.2.4/debian/changelog10:09
lifeless@@ -0,0 +1,7 @@10:09
lifeless+lxsplit (0.2.4-0ubuntu1) karmic; urgency=low10:09
binarymutantlifeless, I was wanting to keep in good standing with backports10:10
binarymutantfor the dh510:10
lifelessbackports can depend on other backported packages10:11
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binarymutantthanks a lot lifeless for taking the time to check out that package :)10:14
lifelessnp10:14
savvasanyone to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gnote ?10:14
artfwoperhaps someone also feels like reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor ? :)10:15
AnAntLP #110:18
JimHanssonhow do I upload packages to REVU?10:19
artfwoJimHansson: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU10:20
binarymutantJimHansson, dput revu *.changes10:20
JimHanssonyes but it says i need to upload my public key first10:22
artfwoGPG key is uploaded at https://launchpad.net/people/+me/+editpgpkeys10:22
JimHanssonfound it, thanks10:22
gesera|wen: re bug 371617: I've already a patch for it, should I proceed with it or will you?10:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 371617 in boost1.37 "Installs files to /build/buildd" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37161710:47
a|wengeser: testbuild at 98% ... do you have it testbuilt=10:48
geseryes, in my PPA10:48
gesermy fix is removing $(pyste_root) from the --install-lib value10:49
a|wengeser: that is not enough10:51
a|wenyou need to change to pyshared as well ... else python-support coughs and removes your pyste completely10:51
geserok, then you can proceed with this bug10:55
gesera|wen: btw the boost-1.35 and gcc-4.4 problem is already fixed in the debian package, but needs to be merged. see bug 37396210:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 373962 in boost1.35 "Please merge boost1.35 1.35.0-10 from debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37396210:56
a|wengeser: i'll put a correct debdiff on the bug that has been testbuilt in 3 minutes10:57
a|wengeser: oh ... i have the FTBFS fix as well (at least mine builds with the patch currently)10:59
jpdshyperair: Yes.11:02
jpdshyperair: As long as mine's still there of course :)11:03
brennion_I'm trying to fix a bug, but still hanging on a pid rights issue11:17
brennion_the startup script uses chuid, and it seems the user have no right to write the pid file..11:18
brennion_what is the nice way for solving this ?11:18
savvasliblapack-dev is still not available for lpia right?11:26
savvashrm..11:29
savvaswhy was support dropped on lapack in cgal package?11:31
directhexwhen would you use LAPACK on lpia?11:35
savvasgood point :P11:37
savvasah my bad, it's atlas that's failing11:45
jpds./sync_db.sh11:47
jpdsls11:47
jpdsErm...11:48
savvasError: Wrong terminal!11:49
savvas:)11:49
jpdssavvas: Not quite, just grouped the wrong windows :)11:49
savvasoh :P ok11:49
AnAntwhat's Strachiatella sessin ?12:18
gesera "vanilla" session with some "chocolate" parts :)12:19
AnAntoh12:19
AnAntand what are these ?12:20
gesersorry, I don't know the details12:20
AnAntmaybe I should checkout an ice-cream shop ?12:20
geserlol12:20
AnAntjames_w: ping12:20
AnAntLP 36991412:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 369914 in sabily "Design an icon for new notification system" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36991412:21
AnAntLP #36991412:21
savvasAnAnt: you could forward your patch to debian :)12:35
AnAntsavvas: well, my question is, is this patch relevant to those using the old notification system or not ?12:39
savvasah no idea, but libnotify-bin tools seem to still work as expected12:40
BUGabundohi12:41
BUGabundobuilding my 1st deb12:41
BUGabundohaving a bit trouble with debuild12:42
BUGabundosignfile vuze_4.2.0.2-1~getdeb1.dsc BUGabundo <ubuntu@BUGabundo.net>12:42
BUGabundogpg: skipped "BUGabundo <ubuntu@BUGabundo.net>": secret key not available12:42
BUGabundohow do I add what I need to add?12:42
jpdsgpg -K - take the key ID and add the -k$KEYID flag to debuild.12:42
BUGabundojpds: thanks... but slower.. ehh12:43
BUGabundoI've got the key, now what?12:43
jpdsdebuild -S -sa -kKEYID12:44
BUGabundoahh ok12:45
BUGabundoSuccessfully signed dsc and changes files12:45
BUGabundojpds: thank you so much12:45
jpds\o/ win12:45
jpdsBUGabundo: No problem at all.12:46
BUGabundonow back to nag joaopinto to get it on getdeb or my ppa12:46
geserBUGabundo: debsign tries to find the key by using the name and email from the changelog entry12:46
BUGabundogeser: I think is that the email I use is a secondary of they12:47
BUGabundo*the key12:47
BUGabundoand so it failed to find it.... with key it worked12:47
BUGabundonow I have to check what email it put there... it the one in the change log or the primary in the key12:47
geseras long as it matches a uid of your key, it should get found12:47
geserI don't know if it's case-sensitive or not12:48
BUGabundohttp://pastebin.ca/141818712:48
BUGabundohumm now that I look at it... something is not right12:49
savvasmaybe you have to set $DEBFULLNAME $DEBEMAIL ?12:53
hyperairjpds: sure no problem12:53
BUGabundolunch... will learn more latter. thanks guys12:58
MaximLevitskyI have a patch to fix small bug in open-terminal extension13:22
MaximLevitskyI have attached it to bug report, yet I don't see it yet in the package13:22
MaximLevitskyHow I include it13:22
MaximLevitsky?13:22
MaximLevitskyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-open-terminal/+bug/33346213:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 333462 in nautilus-open-terminal "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()" [Medium,Confirmed]13:23
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james_wsavvas, nyu: tar: gnote-0.3.1/gnote-0.3.1.tar.bz2: implausibly old time stamp 1970-01-01 01:00:0014:33
nyujames_w: this is to archieve md5sum consistency with debian.  it was requested by directhex14:35
directhexnyu, you only need to untar if you're repacking the source's contents (e.g. +dfsg)14:36
directhexnyu, if you are not untarring, you can use bzcat and preserve the tar's integrity14:36
james_wwhy did you have to set it to that date to achieve that?14:36
directhexhang on, let me find a snippet14:36
james_wcouldn't you just use the same tarball?14:36
lifelessjames_w: same date always, vcs snapshot14:37
nyudirecthex, james_w: it complains about the parent tarball, not the upstream one14:37
nyuthe upstream tarball is pristine14:37
james_wand is all this code really just (C) Hubert?14:37
nyuno14:37
directhexwell, welcome to a tar-in-tar problem i suppose14:37
directhex        bzcat $(DEB_SOURCE_NAME)_$(VERSION).orig.tar.bz2 | \14:38
directhex                gzip -9fn -c - > $(DEB_SOURCE_NAME)_$(VERSION).orig.tar.gz14:38
nyujames_w: check debian/copyright14:38
directhexthat produces pristine gz from bz2, if you just mangle the upstream tarball rather than tar-in-tar14:38
directhexwithout timestamp foo14:38
james_wwell, I was referring to the copyright headers14:39
james_wbut that's odd anyway14:39
nyujames_w: the original tomboy authors didn't assert copyright in most of the headers.  in those where they did, it has been preserved14:40
james_wstill14:40
james_wwe *know* that he doesn't have sole copyright to those files14:40
azeemnyu: last time I checked, gnote had something like a tomboy debian/copyright14:40
nyusure we do.  it's a very common situation14:41
james_whow?14:42
directhexthe usual technique when there's ambiguity is to ask - i.e. "can you please add appropriate headers to these files, to make it clear you have copyright"14:42
james_whow is it not a derivative work?14:42
directhexthere's an open tomboy bug about it afaik14:42
james_wanyway, it's a reject for now14:42
nyujames_w: what do you mean?14:42
james_wI'll talk to other archive admins about the other issues when it comes back around14:42
james_wnyu: the files were taken from tomboy and ported, which in all likelyhood makes them a derivative work14:43
nyujames_w: indeed, it's a derivative work14:43
nyujames_w: why would that be a problem?14:43
james_wbut it also suggests that the people who have copyright on the original probably have a call for a share of copyright in the derivative14:44
nyuof course they do14:44
nyuthey just didn't bother to assert it14:44
directhexhttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=51736914:44
ubottuGnome bug 517369 in General "Tomboy licence headers" [Normal,New]14:44
nyubut they can still do that14:44
james_wwell, they didn't put the statement in every header14:44
james_wit's not the reason for the reject14:45
james_wI just think it is disingenuous on the part of gnote14:45
azeemI think gnote upstream is just somewhat incompetent WRT copyright maybe14:45
directhexand/or tomboy upstream14:46
azeemright14:46
nyujames_w: so what's the reason?14:46
directhexbut like i said, "<directhex> the usual technique when there's ambiguity is to ask - i.e. "can you please add appropriate headers to these files, to make it clear you have copyright""14:46
azeembut apparently the Debian/Ubuntu maintainers trying to sneak in some of their agenda through this14:46
james_wnyu: debian/copyright is incomplete14:46
nyujames_w: it refers to copyright.tomboy, which is a verbatim copy of the tomboy debian/copyright14:46
nyuis that one incomplete as well?14:46
james_wit asserts blanket GPL v3, which is untrue14:47
azeemwhere's the proposed Ubuntu gnote debian/copyright?14:47
directhexazeem, on revu14:47
azeemk14:47
nyuthe combined result can be distributed only under GPLv3 (or later)14:47
nyuthe same happens in many other projects (e.g. gcc)14:47
nyuor linux14:47
james_wand yes, the tomboy debian/copyright isn't great either14:48
nyuanyway, what do you suggest?14:48
azeemnyu: obviously the copyright is wrong no?14:49
james_wreject mail sent14:55
nyujames_w: alright.  would you rather have those specified in copyright or in copyright.tomboy ?15:04
james_wcopyright15:05
savvasok, got the info :)15:07
directhexand be warned that debian ftpmaster is unlikely to be more friendly than ubuntu archive-admin, IME15:08
nyudirecthex: after having dealt with mails from katie for 8 years, you get used to them15:09
nyuI don't remember any of them being unfriendly, at least not by comparison with debian's standards15:10
directhexwell, sure, by debian standards, not being told to gobble on body parts is polite15:10
directhexbut ftpmaster is really REALLY strict over copyright these days15:10
james_wI don't think that's helpful15:11
james_wthey have more to deal with than us, and are more thinly spread15:12
directhexoh, absolutely15:13
directhexmy point is "make sure any changes made to meet ubuntu's standards also go into the package sat in NEW - BEFORE any DD has to duplicate james_w's work and say 'nuh'"15:14
james_woh, I'd agree with that :-)15:14
james_wit seems that [REVU] mails are another convention we have that is poorly regarded15:35
nhandlerjames_w: What are you talking about? The emails that users are meant to send out after they upload a new package?15:38
james_wno, when you sponsor a package in to the archive you are supposed to send a mail to ubuntu-motu15:38
nhandlerjames_w: Yeah, that was what I was talking about15:45
james_woh, sorry15:45
nhandlerjames_w: Do you think it would be beneficial to add a section about uploading packages from REVU to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New ?15:48
savvasjames_w: when the package is rejected, the fix is uploaded on revu again, correct?15:48
james_wprobably15:48
vadi2In my package for a c++ program, how can I get 'make' to be executed in a specific folder, not the root one?15:48
james_wsavvas: ask your sponsor if they are willing to re-upload to the archive again15:48
nhandlerjames_w: I'll try and add a small section sometime today. It is Mother's Day, so I might not get to it until later15:49
savvasok thanks!15:49
james_wusually it's just small changes, so it doesn't need re-review15:49
james_wthanks nhandler15:49
directhexamericanese mothers' day. t'is different to the britland one15:49
directhexoh, who do i poke to be on planet ubuntu?15:49
sorendirecthex: Noone15:50
sorendirecthex: You add yourself.15:50
sorendirecthex: Link to instructions is on the site itself.15:50
nhandlerdirecthex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PlanetUbuntu15:51
LucidFoxOkay, I've prepared a dynamic libmp4v2 patch for gtkpod that will allow us to kill gtkpod-aac.15:52
directhexLucidFox, yays!15:54
LucidFoxCan I add a transitional gtkpod-aac binary package to gtkpod while there is a separate gtkpod-aac source package?15:54
LucidFoxOr is the correct way something else?15:54
directhexokay, in theory i've added myself to planet then15:56
nhandlerdirecthex: The planet runs through cron, so it might take a wihle for your blog post to appear15:57
directhexnhandler, indeed. just hope i didn't get it horribly wrong15:57
directhexsame feed as i set planet.ubuntu-uk to use15:57
nhandlerdirecthex: Did you remember not to add the feed for your entire blog, but to add a feed that is linked to a certain tag?15:57
LucidFoxI don't see him in the user list on http://planet.ubuntu.com , is this correct?15:58
directhexnhandler, aye15:58
nhandler:)15:58
directhexnhandler, yay for tags15:58
directhexnhandler, and i have a mildly patched wordpress to express full blog posts in a standard way too, rather than wp's content:encoded15:58
james_wis kblog the same as the kblogger we have in the archive?15:59
james_whmm, it appears to be part of kdepimlibs16:01
LucidFoxOh, now I see the link to directhex's blog on the sidebar16:08
gnomefreakapt install suggests by default now?16:10
james_wnope16:11
gnomefreakthanks16:11
LucidFoxHow do I pass a ./configure parameter in debhelper 7?16:24
directhexLucidFox, ehm... you have options here, depending on WHICH VERSION of dh7 is used16:25
LucidFoxIt's just >= 7 and I don't want to have a stricter version dependency16:25
directhexthe "7.0" way is:16:25
hyperairdh_auto_configure -- bla bla bla16:25
directhexedit your build rule16:26
directhexuse:16:26
directhex        dh build --before configure16:26
directhexdh_auto_configure -- --foo --bar --prefox=/baz16:26
directhexdh build --after configure16:26
LucidFoxOne more thing. Since I'm going to make gtkpod-aac a transitional package...16:31
LucidFoxThe old gtkpod-aac was in multiverse. Can the new gtkpod-aac transitional package be in universe and still have a multiverse dependency?16:32
james_wno16:32
LucidFoxok, I'll remove it then16:32
james_wwhy does it need a multiverse dependency?16:32
LucidFoxThose who have already installed gtkpod-aac will have the dependency installed anyway16:32
james_wI don't understand16:33
LucidFoxIt's a library in multiverse - the reason gtkpod-aac, a version of gtkpod with libmp4v2 enabled, is in multiverse in the first place.16:33
james_wbut why does the new package need to depend on it?16:33
james_wit seems that you don't want a transitional package here16:34
LucidFoxFrom what I have in mind, gtkpod-aac will be upgraded to the transitional package and pull gtkpod, which I patched to dynamically detect the presence of libmp4v2 and enable the functionality accordingly.16:35
james_wyeah16:35
AnAntjames_w: hello ?16:35
james_wbut if you want gtkpod-acc to pull in libmp4v2 as well then you're not really after a transitional package16:36
AnAntjames_w: regarding LP 369914, what is a Strachiatella session ?16:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 369914 in sabily "Design an icon for new notification system" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36991416:36
james_wif you want to keep a package that fives you gtkpod with libmp4v2 actually working then you need a package in multiverse still16:36
james_wI don't know the rules on whether a package in universe can build a binary package in multiverse, if it can then you can do this from one source, if not then you still need two source packages16:37
james_whi AnAnt16:37
AnAntjames_w: regarding LP 369914, what is a Strachiatella session ?16:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 369914 in sabily "Design an icon for new notification system" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36991416:38
LucidFoxThe way I see it, the gtkpod-aac transitional package is only there for those who already have gtkpod-aac installed, and conversely libmp4v2 too.16:38
james_wAnAnt: sorry, I can't spell, it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Jaunty/StracciatellaSession16:38
james_whttp://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/02/23/the-stracciatella-gnome-session/16:39
james_wLucidFox: ok, so you can put that in universe, but it can't depend on libmp4v216:40
LucidFoxAnother way would be to replace the current gtkpod-aac with a small native package that does nothing except pulling gtkpod and libmp4v2.16:40
james_wand apt autoremove might remove libmp4v216:40
AnAntjames_w: I see, thanks, but do I have to do that ?16:41
LucidFoxI think I'll just commit the patch for now, and bring it to the mailing list for discussion16:42
james_wAnAnt: it would allow you to test whether the change worked with a normal GNOME session, which is what you were interested in16:42
james_wthere are probably other ways to achieve the same thing though16:42
binarymutantIf someone has the time to review and possibly advocate my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit I would be greatly appreciative :)16:46
gesernhandler: are you still interested in bug 255514?16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 255514 in mod-bt "Please merge mod-bt 0.0.19+p4.2340-1.2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25551416:55
nhandlergeser: If the merge needs updating, you can go ahead and handle it if you want.16:57
gesernhandler: I didn't check. I was just looking at my open merges and found it in a comment on one of my merges.16:58
nhandlergeser: Well, the merge appears to be up-to-date. Let me just confirm that I did it correctly ;)17:00
gesernhandler: looks like it needs to be updated to libdb4.7-dev as libaprutil1-dev depends now on libdb4.7-dev17:03
nhandlerDo you want to handle it geser? If not, I'll update it later today (Mother's Day)17:04
nhandlerand does anyone have a link to that blog post that showed why getdeb packages are not of the same quality as those in the official ubuntu repos?17:04
gesernhandler: if you've time you can merge it. I'm just asking to avoid that we both try to merge it at the same time.17:05
LucidFox<nhandler> and does anyone have a link to that blog post that showed why getdeb packages are not of the same quality as those in the official ubuntu repos? <-- Now I'm interested17:06
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nhandlerLucidFox: I know someone created a blog post on that topic a couple of months ago, I just can't find it now17:07
LucidFoxnhandler> I've just read your post about generating a new GPG key17:11
LucidFoxIs there a manual?17:11
nhandlerLucidFox: http://www.debian-administration.org/users/dkg/weblog/4817:12
nhandlerLucidFox: That is the guide that most blog posts on planet.debian.org linked to17:12
* directhex has a new key17:12
directhexi hope people will sign it lots at UDS17:13
LucidFoxGah, not loading. Slashdot effect?17:13
LucidFoxUDS... lucky you :(17:13
nhandlerLucidFox: You're not the only one who is not going :(17:13
directhexLucidFox, become a key member of the debian mono group, then apply for sponsorship under the guide of "vital to stuff in ubuntu main". easy!17:14
* e-jat agreed with nhandler :) ..17:15
LucidFoxdirecthex> Eh?..17:15
james_wLucidFox: I'm not sure that gtkpod can recommend the lib17:15
nhandlerdirecthex: I'm hoping that I'll make it to the next UDS in the states (if I can get sponsorship)17:15
e-jatnhandler: me too ..17:16
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LucidFoxIt's not money that's the issue for me, if that's what you're implying.17:16
* nhandler has several things that make it difficult for him to attend17:17
directhexLucidFox, i don't imply things. i'm not remotely subtle enough.17:18
LucidFox^_^17:18
nhandlerLucidFox: If you still can't get that page to load, Google has it cached17:19
LucidFoxthe Google cache is taking forever to load :S17:19
LucidFoxalthough I can see the HEML source17:19
LucidFox* HTML17:19
directhexLucidFox, firefox 3 sucks in that regard17:20
directhexLucidFox, other browsers don't wait for the whole thing to finish before diplaying, i.e. don't block on crappy ad servers17:20
directhex3.5 fixes it afaik17:20
LucidFoxarora isn't much better here17:20
directhexwhich browser engine does that use?17:21
LucidFoxwebkit17:21
directhexhm. the internet sucks then. simple!17:21
LucidFoxIE6 in Wine only loads the top bar too17:22
directhexie6 is the very definition of suck17:22
directhexlike, if there was a suckiness convention, ie6 would be the guest of honour17:22
directhexsee also: special greeting for IE6 users who visit my blog17:22
LucidFoxdirecthex> You'll laugh, but I got it to work by putting Firefox in offline mode.17:25
directhexLucidFox, awesome!17:26
calcbut IE8 is the best ;-)17:28
directhexcalc, i strongly recommend ie8 for not being ie6, the same way i recommend firefox, chrome, safari, etc17:29
directhexi.e. "anything but ie6" is a noble goal17:29
calcyea avoid ie6 at all costs :)17:30
calcwell except for ie1-5 ;-)17:30
* calc remembers ie1 being really suck17:30
directhexi can sorta respect ie4, for being miles more awesome than ns417:30
directhexi never used ie117:30
directhexie2 i used17:30
directhexbriefly17:30
directhexto go "whoa, where's the netscape icon"17:31
calci used netscape but IE was already there as well17:31
calcmy first browser was netscape 1.0 iirc17:31
LucidFoxnhandler> I take it I need to create a wholly new key, not add a new subkey to an existing key?17:36
directhexyay, planet works17:37
nhandlerLucidFox: I believe you need a new key.17:37
directhexyes, you need a new key17:39
directhexsec   1024D/DFC2AFC1 2006-08-2517:39
directhexsec   2048R/0E1FAD0C 2009-05-0817:39
nixternalI am waiting until the practical collisions can be done by a laptop before I switch my key :p17:42
directhexnixternal, i have a grand total of 2 sigs that matter (DD sigs, for debian NM) on my key. so may as well change17:43
calcsec   1024D/8E384AF2 2000-05-1517:44
* calc doesn't want to lose his old key :-\ heh17:44
* nhandler needs to get nixternal to sign his key at the next Ubuntu Chicago event17:44
Laneybah17:45
LaneyI should do this too17:45
directhexbaaaa!17:45
LaneyI have 0 sigs which matter though17:45
calcpretty much old sigs don't matter since the keys will be suspect soon17:46
nixternalcalc: hahah, me either17:46
nixternaltook me forever, but I remember my fingerprint :)17:47
calcmy fingerprint is on my business card though which is a bit annoying to get a new one17:47
nixternalthankfully my DD sigs are local :)  I can drive to their house with a 6-pack of beer and force them to sign, if they won't do it via email that is17:47
nixternalcalc: that is really the reason I don't want to switch yet17:47
nixternalI still have about 500 business cards to get rid of first :p17:48
calcwell i suppose we can always get new keys and just accept the old key still for a certain amount of time before revoking it17:48
calcbut only send out stuff using the new key17:48
directhexcalc, that's the recommendation17:49
calcsince its on business cards you may not want to revoke after 90 days though17:49
directhexkeep it longer. it's not as if it's trivial to crack yet17:49
directhexget plans in place, but don't get hysterical17:49
calcyea17:50
loic-mI've got a source package that builds both a lib and a dev lib, but I've got a pb with dh_install18:02
loic-mI'm using .install files, one for the main lib and one for the dev version18:03
loic-mI manage to get the files I want in the -dev .deb18:03
loic-mbut I can't get rid of those same files in the main lib package18:03
loic-mIs there a way to exclude those files from the main lib package?18:04
azeemdon't add them to its .install files I guess18:05
loic-mI don't, but they still get included18:06
loic-mthe files get build in $(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr ( the line is: $(MAKE) -C build/generic install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr )18:07
loic-mis that the reason they get included in the package?18:07
azeemwhy ${version}?18:09
loic-mThat's what the previous rule file used18:09
azeemit's customary to install into debian/tmp and then copy into the package dirs with dh_install from there18:09
loic-mhere ${version}=libxvidcore418:09
azeemeh18:10
azeemthat'd be the shared library package directory18:10
azeemso not a staging directory18:10
loic-mI've seen debian/tmp used in some package, but recent ones I've seen use ${version} or something similar instead18:10
loic-mstaging=building ?18:11
LucidFoxjames_w> What's wrong with a universe package recommending a multiverse library?18:12
azeemloic-m: I wonder who came up with that18:13
loic-mazeem: by staging directory, do you mean $(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr is the directory commonly used when building packages?18:20
loic-mazeem: no clue for who or why the rules file is like that18:20
azeemloic-m: no, the staging directory is the directory the package is being installed at temporarily during package build18:20
azeemusually debian/tmp or (for single-binary-packages rather) debian/$package18:21
loic-mazeem: thanks, that's what I was trying to express18:21
loic-mazeem: I'm still not so clear about where the staging directory is defined18:22
loic-mazeem: not in the $(MAKE) line, is it?18:23
azeemwell, depends18:23
azeemmost commonly it's the directory defined for DESTDIR18:23
loic-mI'm using debian/tmp now and it works. Whoever I still have no clue why before $(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr was used as the staging directory18:30
loic-mthe only line it appears in rules is the $(MAKE) line18:31
azeemwhat is that line?18:31
loic-ms/appears/appeared18:31
loic-m$(MAKE) -C build/generic install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr18:31
loic-mit's in install: build18:32
james_wLucidFox: I'm not sure, but I think it might be against the rules18:34
azeemloic-m: as I said, "most commonly" it's DESTDIR18:38
azeemthis package chose to mangle the prefix= variable18:38
azeemas long as everything else depends on it, it's ok18:38
loic-mazeem: I can understand the words, but I can't understand the sentences (both :X )18:40
azeemI wrote three of them18:41
loic-mazeem: only the first one makes sense to me :p18:43
azeemok, not mangle18:44
azeemthis package chose not to pass DESTDIR to make install, but the prefix= variable18:44
loic-mindeed18:45
azeemthe end result is the same if (i) prefix= is undestood by the build system and (ii) all paths referenced in the Makefile are relative to ${prefix}18:45
azeemsometimes, you see stuff like18:45
azeemprefix=/usr18:45
loic-mso prefix has the same effect as DESTDIR?18:45
azeemshareddatatadir=/usr/share18:45
loic-mIn this case it's the place there the built files are stored, no?18:46
azeemloic-m: in any case, DESTDIR refers to / while prefix refers to /usr18:46
azeemwhat do you mean with "stored"=18:46
azeemthis is about copying the built files to their installation location18:46
loic-mok, I assumed it was to specify in what dir the files where built, and their installation location would only be set at dh_install time18:47
azeemloic-m: the lines above runs the "install" target18:47
azeemthat's after stuff has been built usually18:48
loic-meven though it's on the $(MAKE) command? Isn't $(MAKE) the time they're built?18:49
azeem19:30 < loic-m> $(MAKE) -C build/generic install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/${version}/usr18:49
azeemI read a "install" in there18:49
loic-myou're right. I thought it was the install rule of the upstream makefile, and had no effect on where debian/rules chose to install the files18:52
loic-m(f.e. upstream might put their files on a dir, but in Ubuntu we'd use another directory18:52
macodirecthex: sandy merged a patch in tomboy so that it can handle the dates gnote outputs19:19
macothey should be compatible again19:19
directhexk19:19
Laneyhow kind!19:20
directhexmaco, i still think someone failed to act like an adult over that, and it wasn't sandy19:23
hyperairdirecthex: what about?19:24
AdamDHany one haveing any issues with lanuchpad today?19:24
directhexhyperair, gnote writing tomboy-incompatible notes19:24
AdamDH*having19:24
macodirecthex: agreed19:25
dtchencontrol struggles and ego, as per usual.19:25
dtchenwelcome to humanity.19:25
nyudirecthex: euh, why don't you send a patch?19:28
nyuadults are busy sometimes19:28
macodid you see his response?19:30
nyuwhose?19:30
macohub's19:30
nyuno19:30
macoto the "gnote writes incompatible notes that crash tomboy" bug i filed. he basically said screw compatiblity, that's tomboy's problem19:31
LucidFoxHmm... more people than I expected actually care about signing GPG keys...19:31
macowhen tomboy established the format19:31
azeemI really thought hub was a reasonable guy until he came up with gnote19:32
* nyu checks19:32
azeemor rather until those kinds of issues came up19:32
LucidFoxEveryone I checked so far has a rather long list of signatures19:32
directhexLucidFox, i don't!19:33
directhexLucidFox, i will after UDS though, hopefully19:33
LucidFoxSee :(19:33
directhexLucidFox, signatures matter if you want to be a DD19:33
LucidFoxAh well, I don't19:33
dtchens/if you want to be a DD//19:34
LucidFoxstill, it makes me kind of sad to see how many of the Ubuntu folks have met each other in person19:34
nyumaco: he doesn't exactly say that.  anyway, I think compatibility is important.  if there was a patch, I wouldn't mind adding it to the debian package19:34
maconyu: the bit about not supporting people who want to take their notes back to tomboy?19:34
macothat screams "lock in!" to me19:34
nyuanyhow, it's less of an issue now that tomboy can read the other timezone format19:34
macoyes19:34
directhexLucidFox, you said money wasn't an issue for attending UDS. perhaps you could go to the next one?19:35
LucidFoxAnd your old key has 5 signatures :)19:35
directhexLucidFox, i only met 2 of them face to face, and one is a co0-worker19:36
macoer...i got the impression you didn't like crowds so much, LucidFox?19:36
LucidFoxmaco> Indeed19:36
LucidFoxalthough "asocial" would be more accurate19:36
* maco pokes dtchen19:37
directhexpfft, you should have seen me at the jaunty release party19:37
LucidFoxWait, how can one sign keys without meeting in person?19:37
nyumaco: besides, I don't think the tomboy note format was designed with the idea of being interchangeable in mind.  if you just check the bug title, you'll see it's quite platform-dependant19:37
directhexended up standing in a corner looking totally out of place, at a room filled with linux people19:37
macoyou've seen me nearly every day for nearly a year and you've seen my passport and drivers license and school id as well i think. willing to sign my key yet?19:37
LucidFoxdirecthex> :(19:38
Flannelmaco: He has no way of verifying the person online is the same as in meatspace!19:38
dtchenmaco: no.19:38
macoFlannel: ive given him my key fingerprint :( and he's looked over my shoulder as i've typed here as maco...19:38
directhexFlannel, how much of an issue is that, though? that's the question. how much does what someone has in their passport say about whom you work on ubuntu with?19:38
dtcheni've explained very clearly that i do not sign keys immediately.19:38
macodtchen: a year != immediate19:39
dtcheni don't care if you're the POTUS.19:39
Flanneldirecthex: erm... It's extremely important?19:39
macowhat do i have to do, marry you?19:39
dtchenthat will not suffice19:39
AdamDHis there a page to show the status of Launchpad?19:39
macobut that involves identfying oneself too...19:39
LucidFoxPOTUS?19:39
macoLucidFox: obama19:39
macoLucidFox: president of the united states19:40
LucidFoxahhhh19:40
macothere's also SCOTUS: supreme court of the united states (for future reference)19:40
nixternallifeless: find out anything on the blank build-deps for lxsplit in REVU?19:43
nixternalif you check out the hello package which is used to show how to package for debian, it has 0 deps19:43
LucidFoxA trip to an Ubuntu convention would cost a truckload of money, resolve various legal and upkeep matters I have absolutely no experience with, and I'd have to explain it to my paranoid parents, and I'd probably feel out of place anyway.19:43
LucidFoxOverall not worth it just for seeing you all in person and signing keys19:44
LucidFoxSorry about venting :)19:44
LucidFoxs/resolve/I would have to resolve/19:44
Laneyandersk: what does super_teams do?19:45
Laneybtw, you should diff against bzr trunk19:45
Laney(I actually rewrote that function yesterday, but your code looks better)19:46
binarymutantIf someone has the time to review and possibly advocate my package http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/lxsplit I would be greatly appreciative :)19:51
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nixternallifeless: concerning lxsplit, I found out that if it builds in the most basic chroot, then have 0 env build deps is fine19:52
maxbWhat does 'env' mean in the above?19:53
binarymutantmaxb, e19:53
maxbhuh?19:53
binarymutantenvironment, sorry I'm on a tablet19:53
ScottKLucidFox: Debian has a keysigning page that lists nearby DD's that are willing to sign keys.19:55
maxb"environment build deps" still doesn't mean anything to me19:55
ScottKUbuntu doesn't have any requirement for signed keys.19:55
LucidFoxEven in Novosibirsk? Seriously now :p19:56
binarymutantmaxb, maybe if we switched a few words around.. "chroot env, then having 0 build deps" :P19:57
maxbright :-)19:57
directhexhttps://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php19:57
directhex2 in moscow, 1 in stalingrad19:57
LucidFox...19:58
LucidFoxdirecthex> Not Stalingrad. :p19:58
LucidFoxAnd that's like... half of Russia away from me. :)19:58
directhexleningrad!19:58
binarymutantmaxb, nixternal will you advocate? :)19:59
LucidFoxGood thing it doesn't seem to really matter except for DDship19:59
* maxb is not motu19:59
ScottKSt. Petersburg != Stalingrad directhex20:00
binarymutantoh, thanks anyways maxb :)20:00
directhexscottK, i got my communist leaders mixed round20:00
sebnerlol20:00
LucidFoxYou see, the other reason I get somewhat angsty is because I read Planet Ubuntu and think, "These are supposed to be geeks? Each and every one of them is 1000 times more social than me!" :)20:00
directhexMaograd!20:00
ScottKLucidFox: Some people are more social in writing than in person.20:02
binarymutantLucidFox, have you tried Planet Gentoo ? j.k20:02
LucidFoxScottK> What do you mean?20:03
directhexLucidFox, people make themselves appear extra exciting. whereas i have no problem admitting i spent the past 2 hours glued to my chair playing a MMO. super social!20:04
nixternalbinarymutant: still looking into it....if you put this app on a blank install of ubuntu, and try to build it, it won't right? it needs at least build-essential, which you definitely don't want to dep on...but in a pbuild environment, it builds fine because build-essential is in there already...this is a tricky one, however if 'hello' can be in the archive with 0 build-depends, then I don't see why lxsplit can't20:04
nixternalI should go ahead advocate and upload, if someone (archive admin) complains, then we request 'hello' to be removed for the same reasons :p20:04
binarymutantnixternal, yes it only requires the build-essentials package to build, it's a very simple program. I thought I could safely leave that build-dep out20:07
binarymutantnixternal, lol thank you :)20:07
maxbIIRC it says somewhere in debian-policy that you don't have to list build-deps which are build-essential ?20:08
macosounds reasonable...20:09
directhexmaxb, yes20:09
binarymutantmaxb, I think it does say that, since build-essentials is required for every package(?)20:10
macoLucidFox: you know how you're quite social on IRC but not so much in person? i think that's what ScottK means20:11
LucidFoxAh20:11
directhexmaco, i do that. see also: jaunty release party20:12
directhexdirecthex is a charismatic stallion, jo shields is not ;)20:12
LucidFoxheh20:12
maco:)20:12
macodirecthex: did you know anyone at the party?20:12
maxbnixternal: Policy 7.7 and 4.2 say it's ok20:13
macofor me, that makes all the difference. if i dont know anyone there or only know them in passing: wallflower20:13
LucidFoxdirecthex> But I bet you have quite a few real-life friends that you often meet, and you get out of home every now and then?20:13
macoif there are some friends there, and they can introduce me to their friends, then it's ok20:13
directhexLucidFox, occasionally20:13
directhexmaco, i missed james_w as i didn't start talking to people until after he had left20:14
directhexoops20:14
nixternallxsplit has been advocated, uploaded, and archived :)20:16
binarymutantthanks nixternal thats awesome :)20:16
nixternalno, thank you! :)20:16
hyperairlx? got any correlation to lxde by any chance?20:17
binarymutanthyperair, linux = lx20:17
binarymutantI think20:17
hyperairoh.20:17
hyperairso what exactly is lxsplit?20:17
nixternalyou can split large binaries into a bunch of smaller ones20:18
binarymutanthyperair, a lot of people using windows split movie files with this utility called, hjsplit. lxsplit can join those movies and it fully compatible w/ hjsplit20:19
ninixWhen using PPA..... do you sign your packages with your personnal key, or another public (which is used by all maintainers that build packages for the same ppa) ?20:19
hyperairah i see20:19
hyperaircool20:19
binarymutantya I like it20:20
hyperairninix: you sign your source packages with your personal key, then upload it.20:20
directhexninix, and the ppa signs the binary repo with its own key20:20
hyperairright. i was goign to say that, but pbuilder's ldconfig decided to kick in and hang all my inputs again.20:21
ninixdirecthex: Do I have to create a key for the ppa myself ?20:21
directhexno20:22
ninixcool. thx20:22
artfwohi! perhaps you guys also have a little time to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor - a tool for processing scanned books? thanks!20:24
binarymutantdoes anyone have any advice to getting a sponsor in debian for this package, lxsplit? I don't think it could be uploaded to any of the alioth's teams. I know there is the mentors site but my packages usually are ignored there :/20:24
directhexbinarymutant, yours & everyone else's20:25
binarymutantdirecthex, ya I know :/20:25
binarymutantthats why revu is so much better20:25
ScottKbinarymutant: If you're willing to maintain the package in Debian, you might also find a sponsor here as a number of people here are DD.20:26
loic-mbinarymutant, wouldn't it possible to join the movie files with cat?20:26
james_wbinarymutant: did you post to debian-mentors@?20:27
james_wnot many people trawl the site to find packages20:28
binarymutantloic-m, I have seen that in a previous wnpp(or was it a itp) bug somewhere. I just think that with a lot of people moving from other OSs would appreciate an easier way20:28
binarymutantjames_w, I havent posted the RFS yet20:29
binarymutanttoo bad there isnt a C team, like with ruby and python :/20:30
ninixbtw, if i provide a package version X (greater than the version in ubuntu) in my PPA..... and after upload another package that needs the first package, launchpad will surely use mine instead of the older in the ubuntu repository?20:35
james_wninix: correct20:36
ninixOk20:37
directhexLucidFox, oh, did you see, you got your very own mention on my favourite blog as an evil pro-mono canonical staffer?20:40
LucidFoxO_O20:41
LucidFox...where?..20:41
directhexLucidFox, http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/08/ubuntu-mono-motu/20:41
LucidFox.......20:42
* LucidFox adds a sarcastic comment20:43
LucidFoxI wonder if I should post this to Planet Ubuntu20:46
* RainCT is also waiting for some months! already for packages on mentors.debian.org to get reviewed (and I did announce them to the ML.. I don't even remember what packages they are now XD)20:49
ajmitchdirecthex: oh, you work for them now? :)20:49
LucidFoxRainCT> Yes, mentors.debian.net is quite... slowpokish20:49
LucidFoxeven compared to REVU :p20:50
ajmitchRainCT: perhaps you should annoy certain people here20:50
ajmitchlike when directhex gets out of NM :)20:50
RainCTajmitch: or I may just wait two weeks more, apply for DD and upload myself in some months more :P20:50
ajmitchheh20:50
RainCTI don't think there will be any Debian release that soon anyway :P20:51
ajmitchI'm sure you could find some other DDs around who'd kindly sponsor stuff if they knew what it was20:51
LucidFoxFrom a brief look at boycottnovell.com... if I didn't know better, I would decide it's a prank.20:52
nyuRainCT: need a sponsor for debian?20:52
directhexLucidFox, sadly not20:53
ajmitchLucidFox: but surely Canonical have made a secret backroom deal with Microsoft over making directhex a MOTU20:53
LucidFoxajmitch> Can I quote this in my blog?20:54
ajmitchhaha20:54
RainCTnyu: Uhm well yeah, there's this package for instance: http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=vilistextum20:54
ajmitchRainCT: that's not even been there 6 months20:55
ajmitchLucidFox: you'd better not mention that there were people working on mono in ubuntu in past releases who were core developers20:56
LucidFoxOh shame, looks like the author's going to correct it.20:57
RainCTajmitch: Hah. Well, I get most stuff in through teams (POX, meebey & co. rock :)), else there'd be quite some stuff more20:57
LucidFox"I guess Daniel Holbach isn’t one either, despite the domain/suffix. I’ll correct this."20:57
LucidFoxI guess they thought everyone with an @ubuntu.com address was a Canonical employee.20:58
directhexLucidFox, "correct" on that blog means <strike></strike> - and it will be linked back to as truth in subsequent posts20:58
LucidFox^_^20:59
directhex:o idea!21:04
directhexUDS for Malevolent Monkey in Novosibirsk ;)21:05
ajmitchok..21:06
ajmitchwhy Novosibirsk? I heard it gets a little chilly there in winter21:06
ajmitchnot so bad in summer, but it's still a fair distance to fly21:07
directhexajmitch, so LucidFox can collect some gpg signatures!21:08
LucidFoxHar har har21:08
LucidFoxIf only.21:08
ajmitchah, is that where you live?21:09
directhexLucidFox, the first UDS was near my office :<21:10
directhexbefore i was involved though21:10
artfwoI think I'm living not that far from LucidFox, but I am neither a DD nor a MOTU yet :)21:10
LucidFoxartfwo> Where do you live?21:10
artfwobut you could help me become one by reviewing some of my uploads :)21:11
LucidFoxdirecthex> where is that?21:11
artfwoLucidFox: Gorno-Altaisk, I think it's about 500 kilometers from Novosibirsk?21:11
LucidFoxartfwo> Oh.21:11
LucidFoxWe've been on vacations to Altai a few times21:12
artfwowell, make sure you stop by for signing a key next time you visit :)21:12
LucidFoxto Lake Aya and Lake Teletskoye21:12
LucidFoxwe aren't going there anymore21:12
binarymutantwhats the site that I can follow packages that the AA is doing? (if that makes sense)21:12
james_wthe automobile association?21:13
directhexLucidFox, oxford21:13
binarymutantjames_w, archive admin21:13
binarymutantlols :P21:13
james_whttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+queue lists what is currently in the queues, which is some of what we do21:14
binarymutantty james_w :)21:14
ninixafter the dput command, do I have to do something else in launchpad?21:24
artfwoninix: no, just wait21:25
ninixAll right, was asking because i receive this message: Not running dinstall.21:25
ninixand, normally.. How long should we wait before see our package ?21:26
artfwoit takes some minutes to appear on your PPA webpage21:27
artfwothen it takes some time to build, it depends on how the build servers are loaded21:28
artfwoand of course on how much time your package requires to be built21:28
ninixthat's good. will wait. I going to upload the same package for Hardy and jaunty now.21:28
gringo_Hi, I need some help related to packaging a project that has changed their versioning scheme (if this isn't the propper channel to place this question, please redirect me :).21:29
artfwogringo_: perhaps an epoch will help21:30
artfwowhat have they changed exactly?21:30
gringo_the package name is myspell-ro, until now versions were like this 2007050221:30
gringo_now it's 3.2.821:30
gringo_I set an epoch in debian/control21:31
gringo_and Format: 1.521:31
gringo_dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field 'Format' in input data in general section of control info file21:31
gringo_dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field 'Version' in input data in general section of control info file21:31
artfwodo you have your debian/control online somewhere?21:32
artfwoso we could take a look21:32
gringo_in a second :)21:32
artfwogringo_: could you also paste a few lines from your debian/changelog somewhere? (e.g. http://paste.ubuntu.com/ )21:36
gringo_http://swarm.cs.pub.ro/~lucian/repo/myspell-ro/myspell-ro-3.2.8/21:37
gringo_sorry for the delay.21:37
gringo_all files are there21:37
artfwoaha21:37
artfwoyou should get rid of Version and Format in debian/control21:37
artfwoand set an epoch in debian/changelog21:38
sorenAnd Changed-By.21:38
artfwomake it 1:3.2.8-0ubuntu121:38
gringo_ok. I added those fields now, after skimming through http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/21:39
sorenThey do not belong in the control file.21:39
gringo_http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Uploaders21:39
sorenVersion, Format, and Changed-By belong in the changes file (which will be generated by dpkg-genchanges)21:39
gringo_aah. sorry. misread. thank21:40
gringo_ok it now runs fine, I'll uploaded to my ppa and see if Ubuntu tells me a new version of the package appeared.21:45
gringo_oh, there's also this:21:45
gringo_Now running lintian...21:45
gringo_internal error: command failed with error code 12321:45
gringo_warning: collect info file-info about package myspell-ro: 51221:45
nixternalhey, I want to be a developer, I am elite...I have been programming in basic for 30 years, visual-basic for 15 years, and I am learning how to program in fortran...where do I start?21:48
nixternalbrlcad is a freakin' beast21:49
ajmitchnixternal: start by uninstalling vista21:51
nixternalajmitch: it is gnome, it has all of those .NET windows bindings...I am cool and super elite with it21:52
nixternaloh man, who uploaded gnote to revu?21:52
ajmitchprobably nyu21:52
directhexnixternal, savvas. it was rejected from the archive earlier21:52
nixternaldirecthex: really?21:52
nixternalI like it, I will advocate it, and I will love it! :)21:52
ajmitchdirecthex: copyright?21:52
directhexajmitch, aye21:52
savvasI don't have access to the archive :)21:53
savvasnor am I a motu :P21:53
nixternalman, I picked brlcad to revu...bad bad idea on this laptop21:53
nixternalWarning: YOU NEED MORE FANS! I AM BREATHING FIRE FROM YOUR CPU!21:53
directhexfire in the disco21:53
savvasah to revu, yes I have, working together with nyu :)21:53
ajmitchnixternal: you're a brave man. Your sacrifice will be remembered21:53
artfwothat's strange, I have subscribed ubuntu-main-sponsors to a bug, but they don't not appear on the right sidebar - a problem with launchpad?21:54
savvasartfwo: edge.launchpad I think21:54
artfwoyes, I'm using edge21:54
savvasthey appear fine on normal launchpad, it happened to me before21:55
artfwoah, yes - stable launchpad is okay21:56
ajmitchsomeone in #launchpad may want to know about that if you haven't filed a bug21:56
nixternalLatest upload of gnote (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5674) contains a slight change in the debian/control (removed the controversial "consumes less resources").21:57
nixternalhahahahahahahahahaha21:57
ajmitchnixternal: behave21:58
nixternalcome on, that was funny21:58
ajmitchnot as funny as LucidFox' intentionally quoting me completely out of context22:00
ajmitchsuddenly my name appears in lights on planet ubuntu22:00
nixternal-rw-r--r-- 1 nixternal nixternal 1485612 1969-12-31 18:00 gnote-0.3.1.tar.bz222:01
nixternalinteresting22:01
ajmitchwhy so?22:01
nixternallook at the date22:01
ajmitchyes?22:01
nixternal1969?22:01
ajmitchthat's not uncommon22:01
directhexhahaha22:01
nixternalthat is the first I have seen that, so it is uncommon to me :p22:01
directhexnixternal, your timezone is -6?22:01
ajmitchnixternal: think of when the unix epoch is22:01
savvasthe.. winter of '69 :p22:02
nixternaldirecthex: yes it is22:02
directhexnixternal, hence unix epoch, localised22:02
ajmitchsavvas: summer for the right part of the world22:02
savvas1) yes, it's a tar-in-tar 2) yes it's a tar.bz2 (smaller file) 3) yes, the change of timestamp was applied to keep it the same for ubuntu and debian, and finally 4) yes, that's the maintainer's preferred way :)22:04
lifelesssummer of 69 :)22:04
JontheEchidnanixternal: http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/30/22:05
azeemcetero censeo that "smaller file" is a bad argument for a tar-in-tar22:05
nixternalJontheEchidna: omg that is nuts, i just wet myself...hillarious!22:06
azeemceterum*22:06
savvasshould I say better compressed? :)22:06
azeemhrm?22:06
lifelesssavvas: no, azeem is saying that better compression is not worth doing tar in tar22:06
azeemhow is better compressed except that the size is smaller?22:06
azeemcertainly not for 1.5 vs. 1.4 MB22:07
azeemor whatever the numbers were22:07
nixternalfeels good to be hacking again :)22:07
nixternalgo REVU go!22:07
ajmitchnixternal: planning to have everything reviewed by the end of the week?22:07
savvasbut it's not wrong, it's only not recommended, I wouldn't want to extract the whole thing now that I'm one step from including it in the archive22:08
artfwonixternal: wanna review a neat package? look no further! :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/scantailor22:09
nixternalajmitch: that's my plan :)22:09
azeemsavvas: well, I certainly hope itÄ gs rejected from Debian due to that22:09
azeemit's getting*22:09
savvasI'm really not familiar with tar-in-tars, better to talk with nyu when he's around22:09
azeemhe has me on ignore22:09
azeemand I communicated this to him via proxy today already22:10
nixternalgnote has been reviewed, built, installed, uploaded, and archived :)22:10
nixternalLET THE WARS BEGIN!22:10
Laneyit was already in NEW was it not?22:10
directhexnixternal, is copyright fixed compared to last time?22:10
directhexLaney, and REJECTed22:11
nixternaldirecthex: yes22:11
Laneyi thought it was reuploaded22:11
nixternalwe will find out if it gets rejected :)22:11
LaneyPGP Signed Message, This message has been signed with the valid key ID Barry deFreese <bdefreese@debian.org>22:11
Laneyooer22:11
* ajmitch thinks that nixternal is going for the mud-on-wall upload policy22:12
directhexajmitch, ooh, i'm used to mud-slinging22:12
ajmitchbattle-hardened from countless 'discussions' about mono22:13
nixternali could care less about the mono stuff anymore...i see its usefullness22:13
directhexalways productive and exciting22:13
nixternali am not a .net dev, didn't enjoy it in school either, so that's why I don't use it22:13
ninixIf i make 3 differents packages for a software. (hardy, intrepid, jaunty)... Do I have to upload the "full original source" 3 times ?22:14
directhexdiscussions are fine, it's the "discussions" that are depressing22:14
binarymutantany python ppl:  will hashlib give errors if it's not working correctly or is it silent?22:14
nyunixternal: I guess it's useful to write new software so you can later port it to C++ ;-P22:14
nixternalhaha nyu22:14
nixternalI like gnote though, as I am porting it from gtk -> qt422:14
nyuoh, interesting22:14
anderskLaney: I found super_teams using dir(launchpad.me).  It returns the collection of teams that the person is a member of.  I'm not sure it's actually documented.22:14
nixternalthough that is a huge pita which I am finding out every minute I play around with it22:14
nyuyou should tell hub about it22:14
directhexsee, that's a reasonable position in a way: RAD as useful22:14
nixternalalready did22:15
nixternalthough I think someone will probably beat me to it if they haven't already22:15
directhexnixternal, port tomboy using qyoto ;)22:15
Laneyandersk: I've found the documentation to be a bit lacking. Does it count indirect memberships too?22:15
nixternaldirecthex: you are the 12038403843 person to say that :)22:15
lifelessninix: 'no'22:15
directhexnixternal, am i? waa :(22:15
nixternalI do not like c# so I will have to say no22:15
maxbninix: You're talking about PPAs I assume. Questions about how to use Launchpad PPAs are slightly more on-topic in #launchpad22:15
directhexnixternal, you can use vb.net then. or boo!22:15
ninixyes sorry.22:15
lifelessmaxb: actually we encourage them here too :)22:15
lifelessmaxb: as motu has a very do-packaging skillset22:16
directhexor java with ikvm! or python with ironpython!22:16
nixternalgeanygdb ack, uploaded, archived22:16
anderskLaney: yes, it appears to.22:17
maxbFair enough. We suddenly got a burst of conversation, so I though ninix might be better off in a quieter channel22:17
savvasninix: you build the first one with "debuild -S -sa", wait until you get the "Accepted" email, then the rest with "debuild -S -sd"22:17
nixternaljames_w: keep on revu'ing, I will follow behind you and do the easier part :p22:17
james_whow many uploads of gnote do we need people?22:17
Laneyandersk: If that's right then your version is better than mine22:17
ninixSo, another small question :P..... If i made a package x~ppa1, uploaded it in my ppa with the origina software source, and made a package ~ppa2 without reupload the orig source... can i delete the ~ppa1 version in my PPA ?22:17
lifelessmaxb: yeah, its not hard and fast22:17
savvasninix: -sd will exclude the orig.tar.gz from the rest of the uploads :)22:17
maxbsavvas, ninix: Though the need to wait is going away soon. There's a soyuz bug open on it22:17
lifelessmaxb: I will note that the intersection of people getting distracted here with those in lp is close to unity22:18
ninixsavvas: that what i thought for a alternative package, just didn't know if a package for another codename was an alternative or not. thx22:18
nixternalheh, I have had 'revubuild' aliased to 'debuild -S -sa -k2e2c0124' since 2005/200622:18
savvasmaxb: cool, thanks for the tip :)22:18
maxb(This does of course assume that the initial one is accepted :-) )22:18
maxbninix: Uploading a later version to the same distroseries automatically obsoletes the earlier one22:19
directhexjames_w, we need twelvety22:20
savvasninix: here's what I do, I keep three different folders for each release, e.g. hardy and jaunty, and put in the required files, use for example a version like ~ppahardy1 for hardy and ~ppajaunty1 for jaunty - this will allow you to play with their versions safely (usually people get confused when they see ~ppa2 in hardy and ~ppa1 in jaunty)22:20
savvasthree = twp :p22:21
savvas*two22:21
ninixmaxb: ok, so the software.orig.tar.gz will not be deleted.22:21
Laneyandersk: Could you prepare a branch for merging? I'd just do it directly but I'm a bit busy now so can't, and I'm afraid I'll forget22:22
Laney(away all next week so might have minimal dev time)22:22
ninixho... i just put ~ppa1 in my version for all codename22:22
anderskSure, I'll work on that.22:22
savvasninix: you can work on it any way you wish, it's your PPA anyway :)22:22
Laneyandersk: Make sure to propose it for merging so people get mailed22:23
Laneyor you could just subscribe uus22:23
ninixsavvas: your way is less confusing, will do that :)22:24
james_wnixternal: gnote rejected, there's already one in the queue22:24
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hyperairnixternal, james_w: thanks for reviewing geanygdb and uploading =)22:28
james_whyperair: nice work, it's a great example22:28
Laneyhyperair: you need to make pkg-geany22:28
hyperairheh you're right.22:28
hyperair(or i could take everythign on myself)22:28
directhexhyperair for MOTU!22:29
hyperair=O22:29
Laney(and find a pet DD)22:29
hyperairhahah22:29
hyperairregarding the DD... once damian (geany's maintainer) returns from his hiatus, i'll probably ask him.22:30
hyperairor i could ask patrick matthäi. he seemed rather happy to sponsor sigx for me =)22:31
Laneygogogo22:31
directhexhiatuses (hiati?) are the danger of single-maintainer packages22:31
lifelessoh noes, not the haitan22:32
hyperairindeed.22:33
hyperairwell jeromeg who maintains geany in ubuntu would probably NMU (and eventually adopt it) if damian does not return.22:34
ninixIf i've uploaded in my PPA a package X that need the package Y. after i've upgraded the package Y and reuploaded it..... How do I tell launchpad that the package X have to be rebuilt with the new dependency version of the Y package ?22:34
* Laney blinks22:34
Laneyninix: you upload a new version of x22:34
Laneywith no changes apart from the changelog22:34
ninixk, there is no way to just rebuilt a package in launchpad22:34
Laneyno, we don't have binNMUs22:35
ninixOk22:35
hyperairnot automatically anyway22:35
LaneyI remember someone saying that exact same thing to me a year or so ago22:35
nixternaljames_w: james_w yup, just got the reject notice :)22:35
Laneyand I had to run off and research what a binNMU was22:35
Laneyhow much I've learned!22:35
ninix:)22:35
hyperairhahah22:36
hyperairi remember asking meebey22:36
* james_w throws Laney a "yet"22:37
james_wwell, we'll never have binNMUs22:37
james_wbut launchpad will soon support rebuilding a binary package with an increased dependency without a change to the source22:37
james_wwhat that ends up meaning for Ubuntu isn't yet clear22:38
hyperairif that happens, won't the binaries be overwritten?22:38
hyperairwe can't have binaries of the same name having different contents.22:38
Laneyhow can that be done other than the same way as a binNMU is?22:38
Laneyie +b122:38
james_whyperair: yeah, that's why it's not possible now. The version, and so the name of the .deb will be changed22:38
ajmitchjames_w: what magic will make this possible?22:38
james_wI meant "increased version" not "increased dependency"22:38
savvasartfwo: still here? which bug was it with ubuntu-main-sponsors not showing? I'm writing a bug report22:38
ajmitchright22:38
james_wajmitch: soyuz magic22:39
artfwosavvas: any bug that u-m-s is subscribed to22:39
hyperairjames_w: basically binNMU at the click of a button?22:39
james_wsee the open week session about soyuz22:39
artfwofor example bug 37316822:39
directhexlife would be easier if more people remembered to set "1build1" not "1ubuntu1" for no-change rebuilds22:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 373168 in sane-backends "Please merge sane-backends 1.0.20-3 from Debian" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37316822:39
savvasok thanks, looking22:39
james_whyperair: perhaps22:39
hyperairsounds cool22:39
ajmitchdirecthex: they should have some automagic script that they use to do that22:39
l3onHi all...22:42
l3onI'm some problem requesting a sync by requestsync script.22:42
l3onThis is the output:22:43
l3onIOError: No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer.22:43
Laneyhave you seen the manage-credentials manpage?22:43
l3onyep22:43
l3onI've created a consumer with my username and logged in LP.22:43
l3onI've to create a 'ubuntu-dev-tools' consumer?22:44
Laneyyep22:44
l3oneh damn. WHY? :P I'm "l3on" no 'ubuntu-dev-tools' :D22:44
Laneyyou are giving credentials to ubuntu-dev-tools22:45
james_wwhy doesn't it just tell you the command to run?22:46
l3onyes, I've just read it22:46
l3on manage-credentials create -c ubuntu-dev-tools -l 222:46
l3onThanks.22:46
LaneyI don't know, it probably should22:46
savvasjames_w: should the original sponsor who uploaded gnote review the new diff.gz?22:49
james_wsavvas: gnote is in the NEW queue again22:50
savvasI know but you said rejected, is there anything to do on my behalf?22:50
james_wwhen?22:50
james_wjust now?22:50
james_wI just rejected a duplicate upload22:50
savvasah ok22:51
james_wit's still in the queue22:51
savvasartfwo: can you please confirm bug 374627 ? :)22:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374627 in launchpad "[edge] doesn't list the sponsors teams in bug report sidebar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37462722:54
LaneyI can22:54
savvasthanks22:54
savvasbtw, I just noticed "Ubuntu 8.04.3 (TBC)" on wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule - what does that TBC mean? to be continued? :P22:57
ajmitchto be confirmed22:58
savvasthat makes more sense hehe22:58
l3onThanks guys, I've requested the sync bug 37463423:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 374634 in sonata "Sync sonata 1.6-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37463423:02
artfwoafter I attached a debian->ubuntu debdiff to a merge request and subscribed u-m-s to the appropriate bug, should I just wait or notify someone about the bug to speed up the sponsorship?23:10
dtchenpatience, probably23:11
dtcheni'm still waiting for motu-sru for a fairly trivial debdiff ;)23:11
artfwo:)23:11
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ninixCan we upload a package with a debian codename in our PPA ?23:47
ninix(it hasn't been modified..., that's why i changed nothing)23:47
ninixi mean,  the codename in the changelog file.23:48
directhexninix, yes23:50
directhexwait23:50
directhexninix, it depends where you upload to23:50
ninixto launchpad23:50
directhexninix, if you dput specifically to distroname/ in your ppa, then yes23:50
directhexninix, if you upload to a generic ppa url, then no23:51
ninixok, i.e, i should change the incoming line in my dput.cf... ".../ubuntu/" to ".../ubuntu/intrepid/" ?23:52
directhexi think that's it23:53
ScottKninix: But #launchpad is a better channel for PPA questions.23:54
ninixur right. thanks, will try what you said directhex.23:54
directhexYMMV, IANAL, IDDQD23:55

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