[02:15] <Pici> aye
[02:16] <elky> did last night's idiocy continue?
[02:16] <Seeker`> slowest. response. ever.
[02:16] <Seeker`> elky: you mean in -ot?
[02:16] <elky> yep
[02:17] <Seeker`> some vauge mumblings alone the lines of "help! we're being repressed! witness the violence inherent in the system!"
[02:17] <Seeker`> but nothing noteworth
[02:17] <Seeker`> y
[02:18] <elky> so aubade continued to  bait, and the rest gave up after watching his pathetic efforts?
[02:19] <Seeker`> can't remember really; it was quite a while ago :P
[02:19] <Seeker`> and i'm beginning to fall asleep as well
[02:38] <Seeker`> bedtime
[09:23] <elky> !guidelines
[09:23] <thadoood> Fucking nazi ass mother fucker
[09:23] <thadoood> eat my shit bitch
[09:23] <thadoood> fuck you punk
[09:23] <elky> what do you think you'll achieve by this?
[09:23] <thadoood> kick that up your fairy ass
[09:24] <thadoood> my point is proven
[09:24] <thadoood> take it how you will
[09:24] <elky> then you are sorely mistaken.
[09:24] <thadoood> kick... is all you can do
[09:24] <thadoood> fuck off
[09:24] <thadoood> your a nazi
[09:24] <thadoood> fucking communist
[09:24] <elky> feel free to avoid my channels then.
[09:24] <thadoood> freedom of speech bitch
[09:24] <elky> this is not the US and you are not the press of the US.
[09:24] <thadoood> what fucked up country do you live in 
[09:25] <thadoood> 3rd world poverty strickin mother fucker
[09:25] <elky> hardly.
[09:25] <thadoood> dont hate me because im right and your fucking bitter
[09:25] <thadoood> cant fucking tell !!
[09:26] <elky> you're the one full of hate and bitterness at being expected to behave.
[09:26] <elky> thadoood, please leave. you are not welcome in ubuntu channels.
[09:26] <thadoood> dont be such a fucking shit head man
[09:26] <elky> jussi01, i banforwarded him here so he might be able to read the guidelines/rules without distraction
[09:26] <thadoood> i didnt do shit but try to livin your life
[09:27] <thadoood> and you cant fucking live a little
[09:27] <thadoood> because you live in a wet fucking basement in a 3rd world country like europe
[09:27] <elky> no and we like it this way. now please go away
[09:27] <jussi01> thadoood: any chance you can say a sentence without a swear word?
[09:27] <thadoood> possibly
[09:27] <thadoood> let me ponder on it
[09:27] <thadoood> swearing isnt offensive , you just have clam chowder between your legs
[09:27] <elky> thadoood, ponder elsewhere.
[09:28] <thadoood> wheres your fucking balls
[09:28] <elky> there.
[09:28] <jussi01> heh
[09:28] <jussi01> Was just typing it out...
[09:28] <tsimpson> why did I bother enabling my highlights...
[09:28] <tsimpson> I should know it's not a good idea
[09:29] <jussi01> hehe
[09:51] <Panarchy> hi
[09:51] <Panarchy> Just wondering, as I am still banned from #ubuntu, if a month is up yet
[09:51] <Panarchy> (in which case my ban can be rediscussed)
[10:01] <Panarchy> elky: Are you around?
[10:15] <Panarchy> Just wondering, as I am still banned from #ubuntu, if a month is up yet? If a month is up, then we need to rediscuss the terms of my 'unban'. Thanks
[10:23] <elky> i doubt a month has passed since you last misbehaved.
[10:28] <elky> Panarchy, you will not be unbanned at this time, since you ban evaded less than a week ago.
[11:00] <ikonia> Panarchy: you said to me the other day "the contract" (there never was a contract) was void
[11:01] <ikonia> Panarchy: please leave the channel if there is nothing else you want
[11:03] <ikonia> can someone remove panarchy please, he's sad idle in here for 40 minutes
[11:08] <ikonia> elky: jussi01 Myrtti Gary ^
[11:16] <ikonia> danke
[11:22] <elky> sorry, been working through 2 weeks of dishes.
[11:23] <ikonia> poor excuse
[11:23]  * ikonia shames elky 
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[11:32] <jpds> Awesome.
[12:09] <Panarchy> Greetings
[12:09] <ikonia> hello
[12:10] <ikonia> what is today's time wasting point ?
[12:10] <Panarchy> Would you please be so kind as to unban me from the #ubuntu channel?
[12:10] <ikonia> no
[12:10] <Panarchy> (as it's been about a month, I think... am I right?)
[12:10] <ikonia> nope, but even if it had it wouldn't make a difference
[12:10] <Panarchy> How far off of a month?
[12:10] <ikonia> I don't know, nor does it matter
[12:10] <Panarchy> How far off of a month?
[12:11] <ikonia> I don't know, but as I've said, nor does it matter
[12:11] <ikonia> Panarchy: anything else you need ?
[12:12] <Panarchy> Yep
[12:12] <ikonia> Panarchy: ok, what else ?
[12:12] <Panarchy> Please unban me from #ubuntu
[12:12] <Panarchy> ;)
[12:12] <ikonia> Panarchy: you've just been told no, so anything else ?
[12:12] <Panarchy> I've been told no from you only
[12:12] <Panarchy> With no reason given
[12:12] <ikonia> no, elky told you earlier
[12:13] <ikonia> Panarchy: I hold the ban - so I won't be lifting it
[12:13] <ikonia> Panarchy: the reason's we have gone through 100+ times in the past, I'm not wasting time again with you
[12:14] <elky> Panarchy, as i stated before, you ban evaded within the past week, so no, it has not been a month since your last offense.
[12:14] <Panarchy> I didn't ban evade
[12:14] <Panarchy> I might've been on a different network, and was able to get into the #ubuntu channel (as that's the default channel) however, I didn't stay in the channel
[12:14] <ikonia> Panarchy: it doesn't matter, - you're not fit to behave in the channels
[12:15] <ikonia> Panarchy: I've gone over this with you many times, as have other people, as have network staff, 
[12:15] <Panarchy> I am fit to behave in channels
[12:15] <ikonia> so lets stop playing silly games pretending you don't know what's going on - your a troll, you don't listen, you make stuff up, you just waste peoples time - I'm sorry but that is the truth
[12:15] <Panarchy> To prove it to you, I'll be happy to help people as much as I can within the #ubuntu channel, for at least 10min before stating my issue
[12:15] <ikonia> Panarchy: why have you been banned from the windows channels
[12:16] <Panarchy> cross-posting
[12:16] <ikonia> Panarchy: why have the people in ##c++ had enough of you
[12:16] <Panarchy> they have?
[12:16] <ikonia> Panarchy: ooh the cross posting you said you'd stop doing - that one
[12:16] <ikonia> I'm not playing these games with you, you are not fit to be trusted to particpate in the #ubuntu channels and you have proven this many times
[12:18] <ikonia> what a total waste of time, I'm through playing games with him
[12:18] <Panarchy> ikonia: Were you talking about the aforementioned cross-posting contract that no one but me signed on this channel, a month ago, which I then retracted?
[12:18] <ikonia> Panarchy: there is no contract
[12:18] <Panarchy> exactly
[12:18] <ikonia> no-one said anything about contracts other than you
[12:18] <Panarchy> Which is why we're talking here
[12:18] <ikonia> no - we are not
[12:18] <Panarchy> ikonia: That's what I'm saying
[12:18] <elky> Panarchy, stop wasting our time.
 Panarchy: ooh the cross posting you said you'd stop doing - that one
[12:19] <Panarchy> that's what I'm talking about
[12:19] <Panarchy> the 'said you'd stop doing'
[12:19] <ikonia> Panarchy: thats your decision to do, you didn't do it, so you got banned
[12:19] <ikonia> problem solved
[12:19] <Panarchy> nope
[12:19] <ikonia> ok, "nope" then
[12:19] <Panarchy> because when I said I'd stop doing it, that was on condition that I was unbanned from #ubuntu
[12:19] <ikonia> Panarchy: then more fool you
[12:19] <ikonia> you're banned on other channels
[12:20] <elky> no, it was not.
[12:21] <ikonia> anyway, it doesn't effect the ubuntu ban, so all done
[12:21] <elky> Panarchy, please leave.
[12:22] <elky> Panarchy, you WONT be unbanned at this point in time. You have NO reason to be here. Please leave.
[12:23] <Panarchy> Why not?
[12:23] <ikonia> oh come on
[12:23] <ikonia> you've had it explained many times
[12:23] <Panarchy> Can I have a date to rediscuss this issue?
[12:23] <ikonia> no
[12:23] <elky> Panarchy, no.
[12:23] <Panarchy> I've waited a month
[12:23] <Panarchy> ...
[12:23] <ikonia> it doesn't matter
[12:23] <Panarchy> elky: Yes it was
[12:23] <Nafallo> 12th January 2099
[12:23] <Panarchy> LOL
[12:23] <ikonia> Panarchy: it doesn't matter
[12:24]  * Nafallo goes back to lurking
[12:24] <ikonia> Panarchy: just move on - seriously
[12:24] <Panarchy> But seriously, I'd be happy to rediscuss in about a week or so, if you don't feel up to discussing now
[12:24] <elky> and your behaviour has not changed at all in that month. you are not going to be unbanned at any point in the forseeable future.
[12:24] <ikonia> Panarchy: seriously - I'm not going to discuss it with you 
[12:25] <Nafallo> hehe. was just waiting for that :-)
[12:25] <ikonia> he's just a joke
[12:25] <elky> christel, hon, please can we have a holiday from that moron?
[12:25] <ikonia> http://panarchy.wordpress.com/
[12:26] <ikonia> it's a joke, he needs support fixing grub - yet he makes his own distros and is a paid white hat hacker ???
[12:26] <Nafallo> ikonia: o_O
[12:26] <elky> wait so what is his distro based on now?
[12:26] <ikonia> no idea
[12:26] <ikonia> he talks so much lies, it's amazing
[12:27] <ikonia> he's in #fedora now saying he's installing fedora's grub - but he's on the ubuntu livecd
[12:27] <ikonia> just so he can try to get fedora support
[12:32] <Seeker`> hahahaha
[12:32] <Seeker`> -11:27:16- thadoood : because you live in a wet fucking basement in a 3rd world country like europe
[12:32] <ikonia> Seeker`: he's got me there
[12:33] <Seeker`> Thankfully, europe isn't a country yet
[12:37] <ikonia> ha ha, he's complaining about me in #freenode now because I called him out
[12:50] <elky> ikonia, dont battle him there. seriously.
[12:51] <ikonia> ok
[12:51] <elky> he's really not worth the time.
[12:51] <ikonia> concur
[13:28] <ikonia> has anyone got a good suggestion on a basic stance (I don't mean every case) but guideline on PPA's
[13:28] <ikonia> the ammount of people asking if people have problems with PPA $X or how to use a PPA is starting to grow
[13:30] <elky> i dont know if one can be drawn up. PPAs can be and are run by anyone.
[13:30] <elky> including core devs.
[13:31] <ikonia> yes, not sure how to handle it, as I mostly (not all the time people are using them sensible) see problems being created by people using them, or using them incorrectly
[13:31] <ikonia> I installed $X from ppa - now $Y doesn't work
[13:32] <elky> or being told to use them by fools such as parsnip
[13:32] <jussi01>  go find the ppa owner...
[13:32] <ikonia> elky: yes, what happened with that, I read you'd had to speak to him again 
[13:32] <ikonia> I thought he'd got the message (seemed to) when I spoke to him early in the week
[13:33] <ikonia> jussi01: it's a sad line to take "go hassle him"
[13:34] <jussi01> ikonia: theres actually a point to what I said - if the ppa is owned by $random-person - its use at your own risk... if its owned by a team...
[13:34] <ikonia> jussi01: but then we have to check each one
[13:34] <ikonia> each query I mean 
[13:34] <elky> i think the base line to take is PPAs are for experienced users only
[13:48] <Seeker`> "if you don't know how to install / remove stuff from a PPA, you probably shouldn't be using it"?
[13:50] <ikonia> I think I'm questioning, and most probably wrongly if they should be as adviertised and pushed as solution as they are to $anyone
[13:51] <ikonia> pushed/advertised as strongly I mean
[14:15]  * ikonia nods to ljl
[14:17]  * LjL salutes ikonia
[14:17] <ikonia> everything cool ?
[14:18] <LjL> not really, it's like summer
[14:18] <ikonia> yes, it's very hot here today 
[14:18] <LjL> i chose the worst night to have kebap. it's difficult enough to metabolize one without external heat.
[14:19] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:21] <LjL> mind giving me an op so i'll clean up the less useful of my bans, just to keep my hands busy and since i heard about full banlists?
[14:21] <LjL> thank you
[14:34] <ikonia> is there something similar like the ubuntu beginers forum on irc ?
[14:35] <elky> that's what -classroom originally started as, but i think the ubuntuforums people have something similar.
[14:35] <ikonia> I'm wondering, and just thinking outloud if that maybe somewhere eagles could hang out for a while to get his condience going 
[14:36] <ikonia> thanks ljl
[14:37] <elky> his confidence. he has too much of that already
[14:37] <ikonia> elky: not really at the moment, this may be a way of brining him back to earth, the developers have removed all interaction with him and some are complaining about his #kubuntu random support
[14:38] <ikonia> if he can work with other beginners he may see how much he really doesn't know
[14:38] <ikonia> and build from there
[14:38] <ikonia> (trying to figure out someway to inergrate his enthusiasm)
[14:39] <elky> i dont know if there is a way. what he really needs is to sit in #debian for a bit. that'll put him in place... but whether he understands is another matter altogether.
[14:39] <LjL> what terrible thing has #debian done to you?
[14:39] <ikonia> he currently doesn't which is why I'm trying to find a way to build him from the ground up
[14:40] <elky> LjL, i just want to sit back and munch popcorn while he does head to head with wols.
[14:41] <elky> ikonia, you have to knock him right down first. he still thinks he knows stuff. putting him in with newbies is only going to make him feel totally superior.
[14:41] <LjL> evil, but understandable.
[14:41] <ikonia> elky: he's been hit hard back down to earth latley 
[14:41] <LjL> how about sending him to some audio-related channel with crimsun?
[14:42] <elky> LjL, what the heck did crimsun ever do to you?
[14:44] <Nafallo> haha
[14:45] <LjL> elky: probably gave me too many confusing mixer controls that end up making me play stuff at full volume at 3am :(
[14:45] <ikonia> has anyone got a good log of #freenode (2 days )
[14:46] <LjL> you asked at the wrong time :)
[14:46] <ikonia> ?
[14:46] <LjL> i used to
[14:46] <LjL> but not the past few days
[14:46] <ikonia> rats
[14:47] <ikonia> tyring to find out the user Nehyx's isp before he got a cloak
[14:47] <ikonia> he's just started versioning me yet he's in non of my channels but it was the "first nick that occured to him" his nick is just 2 days old
[14:47] <LjL> well i can see if i hav ehim anyway
[14:48] <jussi01> I do, but I would have to be bothered enough to go get it...
[14:48] <jussi01> leastways I think i do... lemme see...
[14:48] <LjL> ikonia: i don't have him
[14:48] <ikonia> rats
[14:48] <jussi01> yeah, I would have...
[14:48] <jussi01> ikonia: PM
[14:48] <ikonia> ok
[14:57] <ikonia> mightyc = panarchy, I'm sure he'll be popping by shortly
[14:58] <ikonia> Geek`N`Proud: hello there, how can we help ?
[14:59] <Geek`N`Proud> Can someone deal with TheFunkbomb in #ubuntu-offtopic?
[14:59] <Geek`N`Proud> He's encouraging the mocking of a woman, because she asked a legitimate question on an Internet website (which has nothing to do with Ubuntu)
[15:00] <ikonia> Geek`N`Proud: no problem
[15:04] <ikonia> Geek`N`Proud: no problem I'll take it from here, and speak to the others about it
[15:04] <Geek`N`Proud> okay, thanks
[15:04] <ikonia> elky: jussi01 just remove him, he's playing dumb please from -ot
[15:04] <ikonia> or Seeker` topyli  etc
[15:05] <elky> ikonia, he claims i have some vendetta, so it'll only end badly if i do it
[15:05] <ikonia> op me then in ot
[15:05] <elky> you're not op there?
[15:05] <ikonia> nope
[15:05] <elky> you are now.
[15:05] <ikonia> op me and I'll remove him then remove me
[15:05] <ikonia> ahh thanks
[15:05] <ikonia> topyli: thanks too
[15:06] <topyli> sorry, a bit slow
[15:06] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: hi - 
[15:06] <TheFunkbomb> hello
[15:07] <TheFunkbomb> is this where all the cool kids hang out?
[15:07] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: you where forwarded here as your actions where basiclly provocotive 
[15:07] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: if you want to mess around in this channel, I'll not discuss this with you - 
[15:07] <TheFunkbomb> what are you talking about?
[15:07] <TheFunkbomb> you made your point.  The topic was clearly dead and you kept pushing it
[15:07] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I asked you 3 - 4 times to just agree to stop mocking people, all you had to say was "yes" or "sure" but you had to play studid games
[15:08] <TheFunkbomb> who did I mock?
[15:08] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: the topic was dead when you just said "yes" - that's all you had to do, instead of smart mouth comments
[15:08] <TheFunkbomb> who did I mock?
[15:08] <elky> TheFunkbomb, misogyny is not welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[15:08] <TheFunkbomb> it wasn't misogyny.
[15:08] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: what was it ?
[15:09] <TheFunkbomb> how was it misogyny?
[15:09] <elky> yes it was. you were enlisting help to harrass a woman who you described as 'stupid'. that sounds quite woman-hating to me.
[15:09] <TheFunkbomb> wow...
[15:09] <TheFunkbomb> that says a lot about you
[15:09] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: the bottom line was, why is it so hard to just respond to someone making a request of "can you stop please" - why do you have to play the stupid games
[15:09] <TheFunkbomb> Couldn't this person be stupid and also happen to be a woman>
[15:10] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: sure, but building a case to mock here wasn't on 
[15:10] <TheFunkbomb> ikonia, mainly because you kept pressing
[15:10] <topyli> suggestion: agree to behave and let's all return to normal business
[15:10] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: because you wouldn't respond
[15:11] <TheFunkbomb> And what did I say to you?  I stopped, the conversation was over.  There's your answer
[15:11] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: no - I asked for a clear yes/no - 
[15:11] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I made that clear 3 - 4 times
[15:11] <TheFunkbomb> because you had to flex your e-muscles?
[15:12] <ikonia> no, it wouldn't have requested a flex if you had just said "sure" when asked
[15:12] <TheFunkbomb> I had already stopped
[15:12] <ikonia> that doesn't matter
[15:12] <ikonia> I asked you agree to no more 
[15:12] <TheFunkbomb> it sure does
[15:12] <ikonia> and you said "too late" twice
[15:12] <TheFunkbomb> the point was made.
[15:12] <ikonia> so I made it more clear with a yes/no response required
[15:12] <TheFunkbomb> I stopped
[15:12] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I asked you to AGREE to no more
[15:12] <TheFunkbomb> as far as I'm concerned it's over.
[15:13] <ikonia> ok - we'll leave it there, 
[15:13] <ikonia> come back when you can respond to people's questions
[15:14] <TheFunkbomb> okay.
[15:14] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: ok, great, please leave the channel
[15:15] <TheFunkbomb> I might not remember the channel when this game is over
[15:15] <ikonia> you'll be forwarded here, so don't worry 
[15:15] <TheFunkbomb> then what?  What if you're not around?
[15:15] <ikonia> then you'll have to wait until I am 
[15:16] <Nafallo> like if there is even a slight chance of ikonia not being here... :-)
[15:16] <TheFunkbomb> or, you could just reinstate me to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:16]  * Nafallo facepalms
[15:16] <LjL> you're filling up my logs
[15:16] <Nafallo> someone missed the point :-)
[15:16] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: no, because you cannot respond sensible to normal questions
[15:16] <LjL> i will bill you for additional disk space
[15:16] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: as I said, come back when you feel you can 
[15:17] <TheFunkbomb> Is it really a question if I don't have a choice?
[15:17] <ikonia> I'm not asking a question
[15:17] <TheFunkbomb> sure you are.
[15:17] <ikonia> ok, I'll make it cleear
[15:18] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I am not willing to carry on this discussion with you at this time, Leave this channel and come back when you feel you can respond to resonable questions without smart/clever/ignoring responses
[15:18] <elky> much clearer
[15:18] <elky> sorry
[15:18] <ikonia> no problem
[15:18] <LjL> very clear.
[15:18] <LjL> perhaps not so very clear.
[15:18] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I am not willing to carry on this discussion with you at this time, Leave this channel and come back when you feel you can respond to resonable questions without smart/clever/ignoring responses
[15:18] <TheFunkbomb> I'm sorry, I was kicked from here.
[15:18] <TheFunkbomb> ikonia, ask again
[15:18] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I've re-pasted my statment 
[15:18] <TheFunkbomb> I will respond
[15:19] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: no - I'm not playing these games, take some time out and think about how you respond to reasonable questions
[15:19] <TheFunkbomb> I just told you to ask and I will respond...
[15:19] <TheFunkbomb> why are you playing games?
[15:19] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I've just said, I'm not willing to carry on this discussion with you at this time, come back tommorow 
[15:20] <TheFunkbomb> who do I appeal to?
[15:20] <jussi01> !appeal
[15:20] <Nafallo> TheFunkbomb: you are repeatedly viewing unwillingness to give in. can you please leave the channel and think things through?
[15:20] <LjL> i *still* am not sure putting the actual address in there is a good idea
[15:20] <TheFunkbomb> I have thought things through
[15:20] <topyli> TheFunkbomb: i suggest you come back and clear the issue. easiest
[15:20] <LjL> considering it's already on the wiki page anyway
[15:21] <TheFunkbomb> I don't know what I did wrong!
[15:21] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: you did, please dont play silly with me
[15:21] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I asked you 3 - 4 times at least for a yes no response, and you just kept playing games
[15:21] <TheFunkbomb> what did I do?
[15:21] <TheFunkbomb> because it has nothing to do with IRC.
[15:21] <elky> TheFunkbomb, harrassment is illegal where I come from. that should give you a good indication.
[15:23] <TheFunkbomb> what constitutes harassment where you come from?
[15:23] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: I'll explain this one more time for you cleanly
[15:23] <TheFunkbomb> shoot
[15:23] <LjL> saying negative stuff on irc about a person based on things that didn't even happen on irc might be an example, dunno
[15:24] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: 1.) you where being out of line mocking the women, you where asked to stop 2.) you gave smart responses 3.) I made it a more clear request for a yes/no answer to agree to stop doing that in future - you persisted with smart responses, so I forwarded you here
[15:24] <elky> to be even more clear, he's not meaning 'smart' in a complimentary way.
[15:24] <TheFunkbomb> so this is about me not bending your will when I hadn't broken any rules?
[15:24] <TheFunkbomb> yeah, I got that elky 
[15:24] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: the issue would not have arose if you had just said "sure, no problem" or something along those lines, but you refused to respond to a simple request for you to stop mocking someone
[15:25] <LjL> TheFunkbomb: have you checked the "rules" (the guidelines) carefully?
[15:25] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: nothing about bending to my will, about you AGREEING to stop mocking someone now and in future
[15:25] <TheFunkbomb> I had stopped
[15:25] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: AGREE
[15:25] <TheFunkbomb> I agree
[15:25] <TheFunkbomb> whatever
[15:25] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: no. you agreeing to stop and not do it in future
[15:25] <TheFunkbomb> I just said I agree
[15:25] <LjL> you have missed the agreeing boat now i suspect
[15:25] <elky> he has in a big big way
[15:25] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: come back tommorow when you have thought about it more
[15:26] <ikonia> TheFunkbomb: we'll discuss it then
[15:26] <TheFunkbomb> I've thought about it as much as a person can
[15:26] <TheFunkbomb> I've agreed
[15:26] <Nafallo> TheFunkbomb: you also just followed up with "whatever". is that a good way for us to take you seriously? :-)
[15:26] <elky> i'll unban in a moment
[15:28] <LjL> i'm serious about !appeal, please consider whether the ircc address should be in there
[15:28] <elky> someone insisted when i set up the factoid
[15:28] <elky> but ok
[15:28] <LjL> because 1) this channel is logged and stuff that's logged gets spambot-harvested 2) the address is already on the wiki page, and someone who wants to appeal should take the time to read *thatÄ
[15:29] <LjL> well, weigh my arguments against theirs :)
[15:29] <ikonia> LjL: I think it's a good idea to remove the address, if they are serious about appeal they will read the wiki page
[15:30] <ikonia> rather than bat of an easy rant mail
[15:30] <elky> !appeal ~= s/irc-council@list.ubuntu.com/on the afformentioned page/
[15:30] <elky> i hate you
[15:30] <elky> !appeal ~= s/irc-council\@list.ubuntu.com/on the aforementioned page/
[15:30] <elky> i still hate you.
[15:31] <LjL> isn't it =~ ?
[15:32] <elky> !no appeal is <reply> If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.
[15:32] <elky> LjL, satisfactory?
[15:34] <LjL> elky, yes, i do believe like ikonia said someone should click on the page and read it (which is not particularly hard). i'm not receiving mail from the ircc address now so i don't really personally care, but as a matter of principle.
[15:51] <LjL> thefunkbomb called !appeal twice in #ubuntu, whatever that means...
[15:52] <ikonia> he's pm'ing me telling me he's going to appeal unless I discuss it with him now
[15:52] <LjL> so tell him to appeal
[15:52] <LjL> enough time wasted with him today
[15:52] <ikonia> and he would have been more polite if he knew I was an op etc etc
[15:52] <ikonia> already done so 
[15:53] <LjL> that's one of the remarks i always found most disgusting
[15:53] <ikonia> agreed
[15:56] <LjL> !de
[15:56] <LjL> !at
[15:57] <LjL> considering -at has 11 users (me and chanserv included)... i think !at should point to -de for support and to -at for loco, while !de should just point to -de. no?
[15:57] <ikonia> what is -at ?
[15:57] <LjL> austria
[15:57] <ikonia> ahh
[15:58] <LjL> imho, it should be just like these
[15:58] <LjL> !pt
[15:58] <LjL> !br
[15:58] <LjL> ... except, in german and with the relevant channels :P
[15:58] <ikonia> I suppose it's down to the language or the location, thats the tricky bit
[15:58] <elky> this is the kind of stuff i want some form of ticketing system for the ops team...
[15:58] <LjL> it's down to neither, but in the case of -br and -pt, they've agreed to use -br for support
[15:59] <LjL> and -pt for loco only
[15:59] <LjL> and if you look at the -at topic, i really think it's the same there
[15:59] <elky> g'nite
[15:59] <LjL> i don't know why -at was added to !de to begin with, it wasn't always there
[15:59] <ikonia> night elky 
[15:59] <LjL> night
[16:03] <ikonia> back shortly
[18:45] <jussi01> ikonia: you around?
[19:09] <Pici> Wow... what colorful messages in my away log
[19:09] <Pici> I don't even know what some of those lines meant.
[19:15] <ikonia> jussi01: yes now
[19:19] <jussi01> ikonia: pm
[19:22] <ikonia> of course
[20:00] <Pici> oh neat, ubottu actually responded to both @login and @btlogin in a query.
[20:23] <TheFunkbomb> oh, right
[20:23] <TheFunkbomb> seeya
[20:36] <ikonia> macedonia ?? what language is that ?
[20:37] <jussi01> macedonian...
[20:38] <ikonia> clever....
[20:38] <jussi01> Im serious tho
[20:38] <ikonia> serbian
[20:38] <ikonia> he's says sebian
[20:38] <ikonia> serbian
[20:38] <jussi01> I dont think we have a loco tbh
[20:38] <ikonia> no, I can't see one
[20:38] <jussi01> maybe croatian, but they dont mix too well last time I checked
[20:39] <ikonia> worth a go, as his english is not good at all, and I think this will go no-where
[20:39] <ikonia> !c
[20:39] <ikonia> !cr
[20:39] <ikonia> what's croatia
[20:39] <jussi01> dunno if we have that either...
[20:39] <ikonia> ha ha
[20:40]  * jussi01 prods at ikonia
[20:54] <Seeker`> get a room!
[20:58] <Flannel> #ubuntu-rs is serbia
[20:58] <Flannel> !rs
[20:58] <Flannel> Ah, we do have a factoid
[21:04] <jussi01> topyli: ping
[21:04] <topyli> jussi01: pong
[21:14] <ikonia> Flannel: your knowledge is most impressive
[21:14] <Flannel> ikonia: If only there was a place where we listed all of our loco teams... ;)
[21:14] <ikonia> almost like some sort of "page" on a world wide network of computers ?
[21:15] <Flannel> yeah.  Perhaps we could make this page editable by anyone, so that as a new LoCo was created,they could put their infomration up there without having to appeal to a higher power.
[21:15] <ikonia> Flannel: that sounds like a genius idea, if only that existed
[21:15] <Flannel> Ah, well, we can look to the future and hope.
[21:16] <Flannel> Maybe some day someone will come along and create something like that.
[21:16] <ikonia> maybe in time someone will read these logs and create something
[21:16] <Flannel> Probably after you and I are long dead.
[21:16] <ikonia> long gone yes
[21:16] <Flannel> (for those of you who don't know: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamList )
[21:17] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[21:17] <jussi01> I love it when you get posts like this on a bug...
[21:17] <jussi01> I experience the same problem!
[21:17] <jussi01> When I try to update my Ubuntu Studio 9.04 it freezes and I can't do nothing!
[21:17] <jussi01> FIX THIS BUG! OR POST SOME SOLUTION!
[21:17] <ikonia> jussi01: that guy should instantly lose his launchpad account
[21:17] <jussi01> ...
[21:18] <ikonia> half the problems with the bugs on launchpad are 1.) lack of detail 2.) logged by fools with comments like that
[21:18] <ikonia> OMFG FIX THIS NOW OR I'LL SWAP TO GENTOO !
[21:23] <Seeker`> I CAN CONFIRM PROBLEM
[21:35] <LjL> someone look at soul_shadow in #u please
[21:36] <ikonia> ok
[21:37] <ikonia> watching
[21:37] <LjL> i don't like the "don't use linux if you can't install windows" line at all
[21:37] <ikonia> that's just nonsense, lets see how he carries on 
[21:38] <ikonia> or we can do it jussi's way
[21:38] <LjL> i... suppose
[21:38] <jussi01> nah, if he comes back, then we can watch him. thats total nonsense
[21:39] <ikonia> ident DP-Warez wasn't the best signal
[21:40] <LjL> freenode staff seems to like lurking as guest lately!
[21:40] <LjL> (especially the freenode staff that's on wolfe and mccaffrey :P)
[21:40] <ikonia> they are in disguise
[21:40] <ikonia> or they are dumb and forgot their on nickserv password
[21:40] <ikonia> which is it stew
[21:41] <jussi01> LjL: you killed their cover - kline coming your way :P
[21:41] <LjL> jussi01: it's called a coup de grace
[21:41] <stew> i don't know what happened
[21:41] <LjL> stew: nothing, you were on a server that went down
[21:42]  * jussi01 sighs at jake....
[21:42] <LjL> uhm, was the last one doing the "does anyone need help" thing also from rr.com?
[21:43] <ikonia> what would anyone said if I suggested the @MARK command logged to a seperate table to keep marks' and bans seperate ?
[21:44] <LjL> ikonia: i saw you saying something like that before - why? when i'm looking for someone's bans, i'd figure i'd want to know about marks too...
[21:44] <ikonia> LjL: never mentioned it before, you have my confused
[21:44] <jussi01> !warning is <alias>danger
[21:45] <LjL> 09:27  ikonia  be nice if you could filter MARK's from BT 
[21:45] <LjL>   09:27  ikonia  eg: have a little check box for "do not search MARK's"
[21:45]  * LjL NEVER REMEMBERS WRONG
[21:45] <ikonia> ah I do remember saying that, I'd forgot about that
[21:45] <ikonia> LjL: you are en elephant
[21:46] <LjL> this sounds more interesting to me
[21:46] <LjL> 09:26  tonyyarusso  It'd be nice if you got warned if you removed a ban that had a mark.
[21:46] <LjL>   09:27  tonyyarusso  So when we're mass-removing when it fills we can still get notified of those without manually looking.
[21:53] <LjL> heh let's see how "jake" fares with linuz2009 :)
[21:53] <LjL> tough match
[22:33] <elky> are we necking trolls against each other now?
[22:34] <ikonia> she wakes
[22:34] <ikonia> feeling better ?
[22:35] <LjL> just passively watching, having little better to do...
[22:36] <elky> except i now have to go to work and make sure my boss knows.
[23:08]  * LjL points to soul_shadow (and #u-o-m) again
[23:33] <LjL> PreZ reminds me of something very bad somehow
[23:41] <Seeker`> ubuntu_ is a bit odd
[23:52] <Amaranth> Ok, we need to split #ubuntu into subchannels
[23:52] <Amaranth> _I_ can't even keep up anymore
[23:52] <Amaranth> for a new user or someone who reads slower it'd just be completely overwhelming
[23:53] <tonyyarusso> It's true - I usually don't bother sitting in there anymore either, because I'd have to *only* be watching that to be useful.
[23:53] <Amaranth> If I look away for 30 seconds there is no way I can catch back up
[23:53] <Amaranth> I just skip it and lose whatever may have been said