[00:58] <BUGabundo> bedtime
[00:58] <BUGabundo> ** e [[]]
[02:00] <joetheodd> Is there a schedule for when the repositories get updated with new packages?
[02:00] <joetheodd> Or is it just at random?
[13:55] <maxb> Does anyone have working usplash in karmic?
[13:57] <rski> nup
[14:03] <ikonia> maxb: is there even a usplash package forr karmick yet ?
[14:04] <maxb> It's not changed since Jaunty, but that doesn't mean it's not in the archive.
[14:04] <tgpraveen> ikonia: maybe they are moving to plymouth already
[14:09] <ienorand> maxb: my usplash seems to be working fine, but presumably I'm still on the old one from jaunty
[14:09] <ikonia> maxb: so why test a jaunty package ?
[14:09] <maxb> But you've upgraded to karmic?
[14:10] <maxb> ikonia: Just because a package has not yet been updated since the start of the karmic cycle does not make it "not a karmic package"
[14:10] <maxb> The karmic archive is seeded with all the packages from jaunty
[14:10] <ikonia> maxb: yes but what's the point of testing it until it's packaged for karmick
[14:11] <maxb> It *is* packaged for Karmic
[14:11] <Pici> I don't remember usplash ever being active when I installed pre-releases.
[14:11] <Pici> I don't remember whether that was something I did or not though :/
[14:11] <maxb> Just because a new release cycle is opened doesn't magically make all the old packages invalid
[14:12] <ikonia> no it doesn't but it is probably it will be rebuilt
[14:13] <maxb> Unless you have a concrete reason for believing that a rebuild will fix the problem, that's entirely irrelevant
[14:14] <ikonia> I didn't say "fix the problem", I said I didn't see the point of it being tested as it would probably be rebuilt
[14:18] <maxb> ikonia: I find what you are saying to be very weird. That's like saying "I've found a bug, but I won't bother reporting it yet in case the next version fixes it."
[14:19] <ikonia> maxb: no, not quite what I was saying
[16:08] <G__81> hi everyone
[16:10] <rski> helo
[16:13] <G__81> has the 9.10 process started coz i would like to be part of it and installing 9.04 in vbox and going to upgrade it to 9.10
[16:13] <rski> yes
[16:15] <G__81> should i download an other 700 MB again after installing 9.04 or is it gonna be less?
[16:15] <gnomefreak> there are no ISO's yet
[16:15] <G__81> yes
[16:15] <G__81> true i am gonna do update-manager -d
[16:16] <ondisk> i'm pretty sure there's daily ISOs
[16:17] <ienorand> G__81: there is dailys atm
[16:17] <G__81> so if i do update-manager -d should i download 700 MB again ? :(
[16:18] <ienorand> G__81: I think that will only download ~400 :/
[17:38] <G__81> my 9.10 is upgrade is almost done but its trying to get the 522nd package for a very long time but the progress bar is almost complete
[17:38] <G__81> but its not hung
[17:38] <G__81> its not getting completed
[18:27] <G__81> the 9.10 is not booting in Vbox VM
[18:27] <G__81> it just waits in starting HALD
[19:24] <wilus-> ppl, does this install JauntyJackalope, have ext4 in install?
[19:25] <lamalex> wilus-: yeah
[19:25] <wilus-> lamalex: i can add it in install cd?
[19:25] <lamalex> what do you mean add it
[19:25] <lamalex> select it?
[19:25] <wilus-> select yea!
[19:26] <lamalex> yeah, desktop or alt
[19:26] <lamalex> both have it
[19:26] <wilus-> alt!
[19:26] <wilus-> ok i'll burn the alt cd now, dunno aboaut desktop ? what diff?
[19:38] <wilus-> ppl, does this install Jaunty UbuntuStudio, have ext4 in install?
[19:39] <Pici> wilus-: This is the Karmic Koala channel. Juanty support in #ubuntu and #ubuntustudio
[19:40] <wilus-> well sorry was meaning karmic !
[20:39] <taavikko> exit
[20:40] <taavikko> ups, sorry, :) trying to kill screen...
[20:45] <maxb> Hmm, I think I have my first broken Karmic system, with a non-starting hald :-)
[20:45] <ienorand> maxb: yay! \o/ :P
[20:46] <ienorand> maxb: any particular upgrade that might be guilty?
[20:46] <maxb> I'm guessing hal itself or dbus
[20:49] <ienorand> Yea, there was a recent upgrade of hal... wonder if i dare restart the computer now...
[20:49] <maxb> Well, if it helps any, hal wouldn't restart after the upgrade, so if it did for you, you're probably safe
[20:50] <ienorand> Ah ok, phewie.
[20:50]  * maxb boots into jaunty and invokes the power of chroot
[21:16] <LordKow> yay finally some breakage, things are back to normality
[21:27] <kklimonda> :}
[21:27] <maxb> Hmm. So, my hald is still refusing to start up. Any idea where it might send any debug output?
[21:28] <kklimonda> maxb: launchpad maybe?
[21:28] <maxb> !?!?!
[21:28] <ikonia> maxb: doesn't it log to the syslog ?
[21:28] <kklimonda> try ubuntu-bug hal
[21:28] <maxb> Erm, no.
[21:28] <kklimonda> oh god.. I'm blind :D
[21:28] <ikonia> kklimonda: ?? he's asking where the applicatoin logs
[21:29] <kklimonda> ikonia: i know, i know - sorry.. I was just reading too many bugs and obviously lost my sight ;)
[21:29] <ikonia> maxb: I can see some logging for hal interaction in xorg's logs and some debug info in the syslog
[21:30] <kklimonda> maxb: you can run it with --daemon=no --verbose=true and it will dump all info to terminal
[21:32] <kklimonda> maxb: you could also add --use-syslog --verbose=yes to /etc/default/hal and it should report everything to syslog..
[21:32] <ikonia> thats handy to know
[21:32] <maxb> Thanks!  hmm, this is annoying. If X actually starts up, then because HAL is missing, X has no input devices, so you can't even change VT!
[21:33] <ienorand> btw, is all of openoffice held back for you to? Seems to want to remove it if I do dist-upgrade, so I'm kinda sceptical on that...
[21:34] <kklimonda> ienorand: probably not all packages needed by new OOo were upgraded or uploaded to mirrors..
[21:35] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:35] <ienorand> hello there :)
[21:35] <BUGabundo> ola ienorand
[21:42] <GatoLoko> maxb maybe hal is being replaced with devicekit
[21:47] <LLStarks> ugh. anyone else having hal woes?
[21:48] <kklimonda> maxb
[21:49] <BUGabundo> hal woes??
[21:49] <maxb> hal blocking at bootup
[21:49] <LLStarks> latest 2 hal updates are killing karmic boxes
[21:52] <maxb> whoops, didn't spot there had been two today
[21:55] <BUGabundo> LLStarks: guess I shouldn't update then
[21:56] <ienorand> I updated hal and had no issues, I haven't tried the reboot yet though, but it seems to break before that if ever.
[21:57] <maxb> How do I make Ubuntu do everything *except* start gdm ?
[21:58] <LordKow> if you watch what's going on in ubuntu-dev the problem is known.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> old bug: any one noticing low transfer speed but much IO when coping files from one USB device to another?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> maxb: start on init2?
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I think for a LONG time we don't have that!
[22:00] <maxb> Whoops I'm an idiot, I tried to roll back dbus but only rolled back dbus* not including libdbus*
[22:01] <LordKow> curse myself for accidentally deleting the jaunty livecd earlier
[22:01] <LordKow> maybe that was the jinx ;)
[22:04] <maxb> heh
[22:04] <maxb> yes, it's unwise to run karmic without alternative bootable media just in case :-)
[22:05] <maxb> Huh, new icon theme, interesting
[22:13] <BUGabundo> brb
[22:13] <BUGabundo> reboot
[22:13] <BUGabundo> bad resume from hibernate.... killing laptop with IO
[22:47] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: ping
[22:47] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: they are now active
[22:57]  * ienorand : Hmm, dbus upgrades...
[22:59] <BUGabundo1> humm
[23:00] <kklimonda> heh ;)
[23:00] <ienorand> and a big sucker as well, kinda hesitating on this one, maybe one should do a backup...
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: what happened to you ?
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> hey ingenius
[23:03] <kklimonda> BUGabundo1: i went to a store to buy something to drink ;D
[23:03] <BUGabundo1> empty fridge?
[23:04] <kklimonda> exactly :)
[23:07] <BUGabundo1> kklimonda: that's a waste of electricy
[23:10] <kklimonda> BUGabundo1: i know, i know ;)
[23:55] <pace_t_zulu> anyone else having HALD problems today?
[23:55] <pace_t_zulu> with karmic
[23:56] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: yes, quite major.
[23:57] <pace_t_zulu> DanielRM: my install got nuked this morning
[23:57] <BUGabundo1> pace_t_zulu: HAL
[23:57] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: it's made X unusable following a reboot.
[23:57] <BUGabundo1> and yes, some users reporting it too, like maxb
[23:57] <DanielRM> And I can't remember how to set up mouse and keyboard manually in xorg.conf
[23:57] <maxb> The fix is well-known and being worked on right now
[23:57]  * BUGabundo1 is so glad to have made todays updates... can wait for a reboot... NOT
[23:57] <DanielRM> maxb: is it something users can apply manually until then?
[23:58] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo1: how do you go straight to cli at boot time?
[23:58] <DanielRM> BUGabundo1: what annoys me is that I *just* got back from the shower.
[23:58] <maxb> Meanwhile, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*dbus*_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_*.deb
[23:58] <DanielRM> pace_t_zulu: just use SysRq and R to get keyboard in raw mode; then you can drop from X.
[23:58] <maxb> Assuming you haven't cleaned your apt cache
[23:58] <BUGabundo1> pace_t_zulu: choose recovery console on GRUB
[23:58] <DanielRM> maxb: problem there. I always clean. :(
[23:58] <maxb> Unwise
[23:58] <DanielRM> I know.
[23:59] <DanielRM> But so's running out of space.
[23:59] <DanielRM> Although at least I'm not at risk from the main problem there since I started having /home on a separate partition.