[00:35] <micahg> DId Intrepid have support for an official moonlight plugin?
[03:18] <nhandler> What would be a good place to start if I am interested in helping out with the Mozilla Team?
[03:20] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook
[03:20] <nhandler> micahg: I was thinking of something along the patching/packaging lines. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List appears to be a little out of date (although I could be mistaking)
[03:27] <micahg> ah
[03:27] <micahg> ok
[03:27] <micahg> asac would be the one to talk to
[03:27] <micahg> but it's 5AM for him now
[03:29] <nhandler> Ok, I guess I'll try asac tomorrow.
[03:33] <micahg> The wiki's in genral seem out of date
[03:38] <e-jat> welcome to nhandler
[03:38] <nhandler> Thank you e-jat
[03:38]  * e-jat wanna learn from nhandler :)
[03:49]  * micahg wants to learn also
[03:49] <micahg> I'm almost ready to get into packagingh
[03:49] <micahg> figured I'd start triaging first
[03:51] <nhandler> micahg: If you are interested in generic packaging, we have weekly packaging training sessions (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training) in #ubuntu-classroom every Thursday
[03:54]  * nhandler -> bed
[03:58] <e-jat> nite nhandler
[04:05] <micahg> nite nhandler
[04:05] <micahg> thanks
[04:05] <micahg> I attended 1 already :)
[10:55] <fta> hi
[10:55] <fta> asac, what happened with the +karmic thingy in the umd ppa?
[11:38] <asac> fta: he
[11:38] <asac> fta: welcome back ;)
[11:38] <fta> jcastro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169441/  help :)
[11:39] <asac> fta: i did a manual upload to karmic and because we had ~umd1 in jaunty i used +karmic ;)
[11:39] <fta> asac, thanks, sooner than expected though :(
[11:39] <asac> fta: we have problems with launchpad
[11:39] <asac> fta: e.g. after launchpad got a new disk array for ppa uploads
[11:39] <asac> fta: the uploads are now processed in random order
[11:39] <fta> gasp
[11:39] <asac> meaning that we are out of luck and often the non-orig uploads are processed firest
[11:40] <asac> i have filed a bug on that and celso is o nit
[11:40] <fta> # ?
[11:40] <asac> for the time being we either should wait 5-10 minutes
[11:40] <asac> or upload orig everyhwere
[11:40] <asac> let me check
[11:40] <fta> I can do that, i don't mind uploading more
[11:41] <asac> fta: yeah. but to prevent that you dont overwrite stuff you would need to push to the right pocket directly
[11:41] <asac> wait a second
[11:42] <asac> bug 371640
[11:42] <asac> fta: so you can directly push to release pockets like:
[11:42] <asac> ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty/
[11:43] <asac> for incoming
[11:45] <fta> well, requires too many changes to my setup
[11:49] <asac> fta: there are two options: a) one batch for jaunty (with orig) ... 10 minutes later do the other
[11:49] <asac> b) push to release pockets
[11:49] <asac> with all having orig
[11:50] <asac> fta: you could also just push everything ... 10 minutes later push everythig again ;)
[11:50] <fta> i think it's safe to just push the full thing each time, it's the same file, so no md5 mismatch
[11:50] <asac> fta: its not safe
[11:51] <asac> fta: if you upload ... and in the middle of the upload the first .changes gets processed
[11:51] <asac> your orig is busted and all is dropped
[11:51] <asac> so thats not an option
[11:51] <asac> if you dont want to change your setup, just re-run the whole thing 1 hour later or so
[11:52] <asac> without changing upstream version of course
[11:53] <asac> fta: celso said he will fix it asap
[11:53] <asac> so use the easiest workaround
[11:53] <asac> i think just repushing everything after 10 minutes is fine
[11:53] <fta> where does that 10 min come from? a guess?
[11:54] <asac> fta: the incoming queue runs every 5 minute
[11:54] <fta> ok
[11:54] <asac> so in case there is delay, 1 minutes should be safe
[11:54] <asac> 10
[12:12] <asac> fta: i even fixed chromium once ;)
[12:12] <fta> yep, thanks
[12:12] <asac> fta: we need to add gconf stuff to ia32-chromium thing
[12:12] <fta> just fixed the amd64 part
[12:12] <asac> at least on hardy/intrepid
[12:12] <asac> cool
[12:12] <asac> fta: so one thing i didnt want to change, but why the hell are you hard depending on mstcorefonts?
[12:13] <fta> because it's needed
[12:13] <asac> thats really devastating ... we dont want mstcorefonts to be installed anywhere ;)
[12:13] <asac> fta: why is it needed?
[12:13] <asac> or in which way ;)?
[12:13] <fta> otherwise you get a white screen, not text
[12:13] <asac> hmm
[12:13] <fta> i know
[12:14] <asac> ok. lets put that on the chromium agenda ;)
[12:14] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=9100
[12:14] <asac> elimnating font stuff
[12:14] <asac> ooh you have  bug
[12:14] <asac> yeah
[12:15] <asac> but even "AriaL" should map to something
[12:15] <fta> 543   firefox                        992714  8771 442485  3225 538233 (Alexander Sack)
[12:15] <fta> 1023  firefox-3.0                    597402 74140 424204 99021    37 (Alexander Sack)
[12:15] <fta> 1328  msttcorefonts                  390295    13 62736     5 327541 (Thijs Kinkhorst)
[12:15] <asac> e.g. with ttf-liberation installed
[12:15] <asac> yeah i know
[12:15] <asac> its a mess
[12:15] <fta> 1/3 of ubuntu users already have msttcorefonts
[12:15] <asac> it needs to go
[12:15] <asac> sigh
[12:15] <fta> 9384  chromium-browser                3651   333   819  2498     1 (Unknown)
[12:15] <fta> 9581  cxchromium                      3493   331  2935   167    60 (Unknown)
[12:15] <fta> \o/
[12:16] <fta> 17663 ia32-libs-chromium-browser       823     0     0     0   823 (Unknown)
[12:16] <fta> 17889 ia32-cxchromium                  796    81   661    39    15 (Unknown)
[12:16] <asac> are there other rdepends on msttcorefonts in the archive or have all installed that voluntarily
[12:16] <fta> wine
[12:16] <fta> and openoffice.org
[12:16] <asac> flashplugin-installer ;)
[12:16] <asac> shit
[12:17] <asac> hmm. wonder if thats really needed
[12:17] <gnomefreak> why the hell would bookmark-brindge or whatever the name is depends on libqt*
[12:18] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10665
[12:21] <gnomefreak> fta: welcome back. did you happen to announce chromium does not use GTK?
[12:21] <fta> eh?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> fta: i was told that someone (owner of daily chromium PPA that it is not yet use gtk2
[12:24] <asac> gnomefreak: fta is owner of that PPA ;)
[12:24] <fta> owner of daily chromium PPA???
[12:25] <gnomefreak> fta: yes
[12:25] <gnomefreak> AFAIK it depends on gtk2 so i dont get why it isnt built on it
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: why do you think its not built on it?
[12:25] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169486/
[12:26] <gnomefreak> asac: i was told it wasnt thats why i asked
[12:26] <asac> fta: hm. is that after pushing all uploads that have origs?
[12:27] <fta> hmmm, damn, right, won't work for umd :p
[12:31] <asac> fta: why not just dput ppa-umd-$distro
[12:32] <asac> and add a few rules to your dput.cf
[12:32] <asac> like:
[12:32] <asac> [ppa-ums-jaunty]
[12:32] <asac> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[12:32] <asac> incoming = ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty/
[12:32] <asac> login = anonymous
[12:32] <asac> s/security/daily/
[12:32] <asac> s/ums/umd/
[12:33] <fta> iirc, there's a feature allowing wildcards
[12:33] <asac> wildcards?
[12:33] <asac> [ppp-umd-*]
[12:33] <asac> incoming=..../$1 ?
[12:33] <asac> that would be neat
[12:35] <fta> http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/simplifying-dputcf-for-multiple-ppas
[12:45] <asac> lunch ... bbl
[12:47] <fta> asac, should work, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169495/
[13:01] <asac> yeah
[13:22] <asac> jtv: hi. could you approve https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/xulrunner/1.9.1/+imports and https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/firefox/3.5/+imports ?
[13:22] <jtv> asac: looking...
[13:23] <asac> jtv: if we could enable firefox-3.5 and xulrunner-1.9.1 from universe that would work as well
[13:23] <asac> but we have now selected two locales with upstream to work on getting "running an upstream team" going
[13:23] <jtv> asac: so this is really an incipient upstream involvement on LP?
[13:24] <asac> jtv: yes. Malay and Asturian want to run upstream team on LP
[13:24] <jtv> asac: that's great!
[13:24] <asac> Asturian translation is 100% complete and we even include it
[13:24] <asac> in ubuntu
[13:25] <asac> jtv: so for this we will touch the po2xpi script mess to produce proper upstream-tree format
[13:25] <asac> jtv: unless you say that you will land something new soon ;)
[13:25] <asac> like .xpi export
[13:26] <jtv> asac: no, unfortunately, still on the back burner.
[13:26] <jtv> asac: files approved.
[13:27] <asac> jtv: i saw that i can import templates/translations from bzr branch ... i guess that wont work for .xpi?
[13:27] <asac> or what kind of tree structure would that be?
[13:27] <jtv> asac: should work, actually.  Feel like experimenting?  :-)
[13:27] <asac> jtv: so just a branch with all the .xpi's on top level?
[13:27] <jtv> You'd have to keep full XPI files in the tree.
[13:28] <asac> yeah
[13:29] <asac> jtv: hmm. it only allows imports from the "official" branch for a seris
[13:29] <jtv> yes
[13:30] <asac> that wouldnt really be proper for this case i guess ... the .xpi branch would defiinitly not the main branch for a series ;)
[13:30] <asac> so feature request: allow to set an alternative translation branch for a release series
[13:40] <fta> hmm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/169554/
[13:41] <fta> he was maintaining that page?? i'm quite sure i created it and no one touched it since
[13:50] <fta> oh, nm, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium?action=recall&rev=20
[13:50] <asac> fta: i talked to him
[13:51] <asac> fta: i told him to set his environment up to build chromium
[13:51] <asac> e.g. pick the branches, get familiar with how to build using bzr bd
[13:51] <asac> he said he wanted to do that
[13:51] <asac> and then come back
[13:51] <asac> fta: ^^1
[13:52] <fta> ok
[13:52] <asac> that was like one week ago
[13:53] <fta> a few people wanted the same thing, they disappeared
[13:53] <asac> i think its easy to guess why ;)
[13:54] <fta> "A new mailing list has been created for Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team (ubuntu-mozilla-daily)."  what is that for?
[13:55] <asac> fta: well. i tried to get more folks involved in keeping dailies alive ... they wondered where to get mails about build failures without joining team
[13:55] <asac> unfortunately it turned out tha tthe launchpad mailing lists are really useless
[13:55] <asac> you can only subscribe if you are member of the team
[13:55] <fta> oh
[13:55] <asac> so we should revert that i guess
[13:56] <asac> fta: or at least you should subscribe to that ml too
[13:56] <asac> i couldnt even subscribe anyone
[13:56] <fta> i'm still getting the emails
[13:57] <asac> could be that i disabled the mailing list for the ppa mail again after i couldnt subscribe you
[13:58] <asac> fta: maybe it works even if you are not in a team
[13:58] <asac> i was just confused about it not having the normal mailman "subscribe" feature here
[14:00] <asac> fta: hmm. odd
[14:00] <asac> so https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+contactaddress
[14:00] <asac> is still the maling list
[14:00] <asac> and afaics the build failures go there now
[14:00] <fta> Not allowed here
[14:00] <fta> Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[14:01] <fta> wtf? am i not admin of this team?
[14:01] <fta> oh no, you are
[14:07] <asac> fta: you are admin now
[14:08] <fta> asac, thanks
[14:38] <sveinung__> hi
[14:38] <sveinung__> is this the right place to ask questions related to mozilla-devscripts?
[14:47] <fta> sveinung__, yes it is but i don't have much time right now, i have to run. maybe asac could help.
[14:57] <asac> sveinung__: ask ;) ... and be patient
[14:58] <sveinung__> asac: ok. I was just wondering if you have considered uploading the extension stuff in mozilla-devscripts to Debian?
[14:59] <sveinung__> I asked a question about it on Launchpad a while ago. https://answers.launchpad.net/mozilla-devscripts/+question/60642
[14:59] <asac> sveinung__: yes, we can do that
[14:59] <asac> sveinung__: if you could file a RFP bug in debian, i will upload
[15:00] <sveinung__> asac: thanks! Should I ask for mozilla-devscripts or something else (since my impression is that mozilla-devscripts also contains other functionality)?
[15:02] <asac> sveinung__: just ask for mozilla-devscripts ... i dont see why anything would hurt for debian
[15:03] <asac> (even though some might not want all features)
[15:03] <sveinung__> asac: ok. Thank you again!
[15:03] <asac> welcome ... sveinung__ give me the bug id when you have it
[15:15] <jcastro> fta: you're all set
[15:19] <asac> jcastro: what powers did fta just gain?
[15:20] <jcastro> asac: his bug control thing was expiring
[15:20] <asac> hmm ok
[15:20] <asac> jcastro: are there teams where you cannot renew on your own?
[15:21] <jcastro> yeah, bug control
[15:21] <jcastro> there might be others, but that's the largest one I think
[15:26] <sveinung__> asac: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528225
[15:28] <asac> sveinung__: good. i retitled and took ownershipt ... lets see ;)
[16:50] <gnomefreak> where is gwibber's profile located? i cant find it anywhere
[16:54] <asac> gnomefreak: ~/.config/gwibber?
[16:54] <asac> no its just ~/.gwibber
[16:54] <asac> i think most stuff is saved in gconf/gnome-keyring though
[16:54] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont have a ~gwibber
[16:54] <gnomefreak> ~/.gwibber even
[16:54] <asac> ~/.gwibber
[16:54] <micahg> asac: what do I do if someone reports a bug fixed, but I don't know where
[16:55] <asac> micahg: close the bug as invalid ;)
[16:55] <micahg> ok
[16:55] <micahg> great
[16:55] <micahg> thanks
[16:55] <micahg> asac: even if it was confirse?med by someone el
[16:55] <micahg> oops
[16:55] <micahg> even if it was confirmed by someone else?
[16:56] <asac> well. claiming its "fix released" without knowing where and how is similarly wrong ;)
[16:56] <gnomefreak> ah its in ~/.gconf/apps/gwibber
[16:56] <asac> micahg: in the end it doesnt matter ... if someone feels offended by invalid you can use fix released
[16:56] <micahg> ok
[16:56] <micahg> great
[16:56] <micahg> also, should I join mozsquad if I only work on bugs?
[16:56] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. thats the gconf database
[16:57] <asac> gnomefreak: you can use gconf-editor to navigate and edit that kind of stuff
[16:58] <gnomefreak> asac: i was thinking of backup but not sure if i really want to back up the whole ~/.gconf but maybe ill grab gwibber out of it and than add it to that dir when needed
[17:00] <gnomefreak> it seems the pictures are help in ~/.cache/gwibber
[17:00] <gnomefreak> lol i have 2 of you for some strange reason
[17:03] <asac> ;)
[17:03] <asac> gnomefreak: i think one is twitter, the other is identi.ca
[17:03] <gnomefreak> asac: makes sense
[17:05] <fta> i'm back
[17:05] <micahg> asac: is it worth it for me to join this : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad
[17:05] <asac> micahg: it expresses your affiliation, so yeah
[17:06] <gnomefreak> i would
[17:06] <asac> welcome back reed ;)
[17:06] <asac> even with a pristine nick
[17:09] <asac> fta: i read the news that chromium doesnt need patches for webkit anymore ;)
[17:09] <asac> so we can push harder on doing system libs soonish
[17:10] <fta> but it needs webkit from trunk, we're probably too old
[17:10] <fta> they perform a weekly sync with trunk
[17:10] <asac> do we know anything about webkit release cycle?
[17:11] <fta> i don't
[17:15] <LaPingvino1> hello here then
[17:15] <asac> LaPingvino1: hi
[17:15] <LaPingvino1> thanks for the redirect asac
[17:15] <asac> welcome
[17:16] <asac> LaPingvino1: what question do you have?
[17:16] <LaPingvino1> I want to know how I can get the translations of the Esperanto translation team (outside of ubuntu) into ubuntu
[17:16] <asac> LaPingvino1: what does "outside of ubuntu" mean?
[17:17] <LaPingvino1> that it's just a firefox translation team
[17:17] <LaPingvino1> and that their translation is not available in ubuntu yet
[17:17] <asac> LaPingvino1: ok. how do you release your translations?
[17:17] <asac> is that translation complete?
[17:17] <LaPingvino1> quite complete yes
[17:17] <asac> LaPingvino1: ok. is that translation already an official mozilla translation?
[17:17] <LaPingvino1> yes
[17:17] <LaPingvino1> it is
[17:18] <LaPingvino1> http://eo.www.mozilla.com/eo/
[17:18] <gnomefreak> who the hell are these people in these pictures :( ill be back
[17:20] <LaPingvino1> any idea? how do the translations normally come in?
[17:20] <asac> LaPingvino1: if its released http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.10/linux-i686/xpi/ it will automatically come when we update translations next time
[17:20] <asac> which should happen regularly
[17:21] <LaPingvino1> ah great :)
[17:21] <LaPingvino1> yeah it's in there :)
[17:22] <LaPingvino1> so it should get in for the next translation update then I guess...
[17:22] <LaPingvino1> when will that be?
[17:23] <asac> no idea ... i have to manually update the .xpis at some place. please ping me daily until i said i did that ;)
[17:23] <asac> LaPingvino1: ^^
[17:23] <asac> i will try to slip that into next slot
[17:26] <LaPingvino1> aha :)
[17:28] <asac> fta: did we restructure anything in the ffox packaging since 3.0? like improved how branding works?
[17:28] <fta> i don't think so
[17:28] <asac> somehow the -devscripts lp-export-langpack filter thing doesnt catch the branding bits anymore
[17:28] <asac> hmm
[17:29] <fta> but during the last 3 weeks, i forgot almost everything
[17:29] <fta> hard reset
[17:29] <LaPingvino1> Anyhow, as I see now the language packs in firefox are still on 3.0.7 as Firefox is already on 3.0.10...
[17:29] <LaPingvino1> so it wouldn't do harm to update it :P
[17:30] <asac> MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_SEARCHDIRS
[17:30] <asac> fta: yeah ... be assured things will come back. the brain is an interesting type of device ;)
[17:30] <asac> LaPingvino1: it doesnt and it should
[17:30] <asac> thats why i want to fast-path that now ;)
[17:31] <LaPingvino1> aha :D
[17:31] <LaPingvino1> great then
[17:31] <fta> asac, too bad i had to come back sooner than expected. it was a really nice experience
[17:31] <LaPingvino1> ey, sidestep... any idea why my nick LaPingvino automatically gets LaPingvino1?
[17:31] <LaPingvino1> guess it's for that I'm already registered once... :S
[17:32] <asac> fta: yeah. thats what i already wondered. thoguth you were going to be away another week ... hope nothing bad happens
[17:34] <asac> oh
[17:34] <asac> hmm. not
[17:34] <LaPingvino1> ?
[17:38] <gnomefreak> can you have empty lines in your .bashrc in the alias' section?
[17:38] <asac> alias section?
[17:38] <asac> i only know about alias lines ;)
[17:38] <gnomefreak> asac: i have a ton of alias' in my bashrc
[17:38] <asac> each alias is one line
[17:38] <gnomefreak> right
[17:38] <asac> you probably forgot a '
[17:38] <asac> somewhere
[17:38] <gnomefreak> can i add an empty line between them?
[17:39] <asac> yes you can
[17:39] <gnomefreak> ok cool thanks :)
[17:41] <gnomefreak> ok im gone for a while
[17:49] <fta> asac, could you push your gtk patch in karmic for bug 362939?
[17:49] <fta> i mean bug 369498
[18:07] <fta> jcastro, thanks! (bug-squad)
[18:07] <asac> fta: couldnt you renew yourself?
[18:07] <asac> sounds like a bug
[18:08] <asac> currently looking for the patch (modules)
[18:09] <fta> asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169441/
[18:10] <asac> hmm. o
[18:10] <asac> k
[18:10] <asac> so maybe they want a review for that ... not sure why ,)
[18:10] <asac> Jazzva: hi! could you check whether you can subscribe to the daily mailing list in launchpad ;)
[18:10] <Jazzva> asac: sure, that would be ood :)
[18:11] <Jazzva> *good
[18:11] <asac> Jazzva: this mail liist feature of launchpad feels a bit inferior
[18:11] <asac> let me know if you can subscribe as a being a nono-member for daily at all
[18:12] <asac> if thats not possible its definitly useless ;)
[18:12] <Jazzva> asac: It's the same as it was few days ago ... "Policy:  You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. "
[18:12] <asac> oh sorry
[18:12] <asac> forgot that you already tested that
[18:12] <asac> what a mess
[18:12] <Jazzva> asac: no problem. I thought somebody fixed that :).
[18:12] <fta> asac, what does it say: http://www.googlewatchblog.de/2009/05/09/chromium-fuer-mac-und-linux-verfuegbar/ ?
[18:13] <asac> fta: i dont see your name at least ;)
[18:14] <asac> fta: just a blog about a user testing this
[18:14] <asac> i mean the official linux builds
[18:14] <asac> similar to the official mozilla builds as it seems
[18:14] <asac> seems for him the tabs are broken
[18:15] <[reed]> asac: hiya
[18:15] <[reed]> yeah, been busy :)
[18:15] <asac> hey ;)
[18:15] <asac> i figured that
[18:15] <asac> thoguht you were on university action
[18:15] <asac> exams et al
[18:15] <[reed]> yeah, and then I moved out to California for the summer ;)
[18:15] <[reed]> see my host ;)
[18:15] <asac> nice
[18:16] <asac> where are you living?
[18:16] <[reed]> in MV
[18:16] <asac> already found a final occupation
[18:16] <[reed]> lol
[18:16] <asac> or something intermediate?
[18:16] <asac> occupation is wrong word ;)
[18:16] <[reed]> I'm staying at corporate apartments with some of the Mozilla interns
[18:16] <[reed]> for the summer
[18:17] <asac> yeah cool. thats what i thought
[18:17] <asac> must be fun
[18:17] <[reed]> yeah, I was in SF on Saturday
[18:17] <[reed]> got sunburned ;)
[18:17] <asac> heh
[18:18] <asac> [reed]: so "reed" is still not abandoned on freenode?
[18:19] <[reed]> nope
[18:19] <[reed]> it's owned by some FSF Europe guy
[18:25] <asac> fta: so for this patch you need to create a HOST link in /usr/lib/gtk+2.0/modules/ similar to the one in .../2.10.0/
[18:26] <asac> just pointing to the modules dir of ia32libs
[18:26] <asac> its created in ia32libs ... so maybe check how they guess that GTK_HOST thing
[18:26] <asac> fta: so currently we have: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/i686-pc-linux-gnu
[18:26] <asac> we also need
[18:27] <asac> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/i686-pc-linux-gnu
[18:27] <asac> well in karmic thats hopefully i486 again
[18:27] <asac> and not 868
[18:27] <asac> 686
[18:27] <asac> but in jaunty it was i686
[18:27] <asac> once you have that you probably need the gtk from my sandbox ppa -- currently building
[18:28] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/sandbox
[18:33] <fta> asac, we own the builders: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ :)
[18:33] <asac> fta: i tell you ...
[18:33] <asac> you were really happy to not be here over the release time
[18:33] <asac> that was a real mess ;)
[18:33] <fta> ?
[18:33] <asac> like 2000 builds on i386 ;) both official and ppa builders ;)
[18:34] <fta> lol
[18:34] <asac> i thinkn the removed a bunch of builds from ppa before the release
[18:34] <asac> so they could add them to the the auto-import
[18:34] <asac> so while we were in hard freeze everybody uploadded to PPA ... as they seemingly had nothing to do ;)
[18:34] <asac> then when stuff opened everybody also uploaded to PPA because they thought they might see results earlier
[18:35] <fta> i think it's dynamically allocated
[18:35] <asac> so it was kind of free market regulation ... both ppa and builders took the same time ;)
[18:35] <asac> fta: yeah. but they definitly had less virtual instances after archive opened
[18:35] <asac> now there is a whole lot
[18:35] <asac> before it was 3-4 builders for each arch
[18:36] <fta> 2 official builders per arch now
[18:37] <asac> you should be able to see that in log ... like dailies starting 8-10 hours after upload ;)
[18:37] <asac> fta: yeah ... the official builders are about the same ... not sure where all the PPA builders were at that time
[18:37] <asac> there definitly were 4-5 in parallel ... not more
[18:39] <asac> fta: so one thing i will do for jaunty is to move the gnome-support components to the main package ... and manually sedding shlibs so the gnome depends dont show up in the main package
[18:39] <asac> s/jaunty/karmic/
[18:39] <asac> the gnome-support package would then be just a "depends" only package
[18:40] <fta> hm
[18:40] <asac> problem is that we cannot make -gnome-support a recommends ... kde folks hated us when we did that
[18:40] <asac> so people installing thunderbird will not geet a complete user experience
[18:41] <asac> same if you did not have firefox installed ... which is a bit better situation because its usually installed by default
[18:41] <asac> but its the same for the dailies
[18:41] <asac> folks installing just firefox-3.6 won't get gnome-support
[18:41] <asac> the code is already in thunderbird.head
[18:42] <asac> i did it before release, but then retracted to push that ;)
[18:43] <asac> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev/revision/99 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird.dev/revision/100
[18:44] <asac> i am not completely happy with the strip lib thing
[18:44] <asac> to do it right we would need some on-the-fly dependency tree traversal code i think
[18:45] <asac> .... which sounds bad. maybe misusing dh_shlibs might help
[18:45] <asac> or maybe moving the libs after dependencies are generated from the -gnome-support to the normal tree
[18:45] <asac> ugly trick ;)I
[18:51] <asac> fta: too bad. seems like gtk fro mkarmic doesnt build on amd64
[18:51] <fta> :(
[18:51] <asac> well ... but we need i386 which looks good
[18:51] <asac> at least lpia worked
[19:08] <asac> hmm so the patch was wrong ;)
[19:08] <asac> wtf ;)
[19:19] <asac> fta: ok second attempt
[19:22] <asac> fta: second attempt
[19:23] <asac> fta: could we add the patch for the Sans font to chromium and demote the depends to recommends for now ;)?
[19:23] <asac> later hopefully dropping it to suggests or completely
[20:23] <asac> fta: great. the latest gtk in my ppa built everywhere and works ;)
[20:23] <asac> will upload later ... have to take a break
[20:30] <asac> fta: there seem to be a bunch more libs not in ia32libs
[20:31] <asac> /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgioremote-volume-monitor.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[20:31] <asac> Failed to load module: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgioremote-volume-monitor.so
[20:31] <asac> /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[20:31] <asac> Failed to load module: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgvfsdbus.so
[20:31] <asac> /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiogconf.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[20:31] <asac> Failed to load module: /usr/lib/gio/modules/libgiogconf.so
[20:31] <asac> hmm
[20:31] <asac> gio probably has its own busted module thing
[20:31] <asac> let me check
[20:33] <asac> so glib ... checking
[20:58] <fta> ppas are turning greener and greener...
[21:02] <Nafallo> o_O
[21:02] <Nafallo> just because the servers have green HDD leds...
[21:02] <fta> lol
[21:02] <fta> i meant this: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[21:03] <fta> it was all red 2 hours ago
[21:03] <Nafallo> oh.
[21:03] <asac> at least i dont have to manually reupload dailies anymore ;)
[21:03] <Nafallo> hah
[21:03] <asac> that was painful
[21:03] <Nafallo> asac: you like pain. stop complaining.
[21:03] <asac> my constant pain level is fine now ... no need to add more ;)
[21:04] <Nafallo> asac: up your limits? *grins*
[21:05] <fta> hmm.. Estimated repository size: 9.3 GiB (93.09%) of 10.0 GiB
[21:05] <asac> fta: do you need mroe info on the ia32libs part from 369498 ?
[21:05] <asac> bug 369498
[21:05] <asac> fta: chromium?
[21:06] <fta> yep
[21:06] <fta> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[21:06] <Nafallo> bah. he ignored me :-(
[21:06] <fta> it will be worse tomorrow, i added lpia
[21:06] <asac> Nafallo: my limits are tuned well .. without harware upgrade there is nothing i would like to bump ;)
[21:07] <asac> fta: you should ask a question then ;)
[21:07] <Nafallo> hehe
[21:07] <asac> otherwise you will end up with randome "rejects"
[21:08] <fta> it's caused by the -testsuite-dbg debs
[21:08] <asac> do you really need those?
[21:08] <fta> 400M each
[21:08] <asac> soudns a bit like a waste of space ;)
[21:08] <asac> one reason we started to do dbgsym packages was to lower weight for mirrors
[21:08] <asac> and archives
[21:09] <fta> well, it's useful to debug crashes, but not sure who is interested by that, if any
[21:09] <fta> i read that ppas now support dbgsym
[21:10] <asac> the reason why we have -dbg for firefox/xulrunner was that dbgsym are broken for security updates
[21:10] <asac> so i think dropping them for chromium wouild be ok ... especially if there is a ppa dbgsym now
[21:10] <asac> at least dropping the testsuite parts ;)
[21:10] <asac> i think if somebody really wants to test that he can just build the package ;)
[21:14] <asac> fta: the gio dir is completely missing in ia32lib
[21:14] <fta> ok
[21:16] <asac> fta: those files in /usr/lib/gio/ are from gvfs ... not sure if thats in ia32libs at all already
[21:17] <fta> nope, no gio/gvfs in ia32-libs
[21:17] <asac> fta: libgio is part of glib ... so i guess just gvfs needs to be added ... and of course you need the $(host) link similar to the gtk modules
[21:21] <fta> i'll have a closer look tomorrow
[21:21] <fta> still digging into chromium
[21:21] <fta> http://paste.ubuntu.com/169937/
[21:24] <fta> strange it worked on jaunty. is gcc different in karmic?
[21:24] <asac> yes
[21:24] <asac> next version is default
[21:24] <asac> usually next version is stricter
[21:25] <fta> where is the spec?
[21:26] <k-s> guys, is XPI.TEMPLATE working with hardy?
[21:26] <k-s> i got this error while trying hardy: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26600452/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.tinymenu-extension_1.4.10-0hardy1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:26] <k-s> works fine with jaunty: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/26600308/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-i386.tinymenu-extension_1.4.10-0jaunty1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[21:26] <k-s> the only difference is about changelog
[21:28] <fta> asac, it's not mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilerFlags
[21:28] <asac> k-s: the error message you are seeing seems odd
[21:28] <asac> not sure why you have .o there
[21:28] <asac> k-s: run a find  and paste that ;)
[21:35] <k-s> asac: where?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:35] <asac> k-s: did you use med-xpi-unpack? if so, it might be you need a more modern devscripts package
[21:35] <asac> is that ok?
[21:35] <asac> we have a hardy build in our daily ppa iirc
[21:35] <k-s> asac: might be that
[21:35] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[21:36] <k-s> I used the most automatic as possible
[21:36] <k-s> asac: so depend on that ppa?
[21:36] <asac> k-s: yeah. so use that devscripts
[21:36] <asac> k-s: no ... you can also upload that to whatever ppa you need it to be
[21:36] <asac> depending on daily might not be the best idea ;)
[21:39] <k-s> asac: you say I upload to your ppa instead of making mine depend on yours?
[21:45] <k-s> asac: worked depending on your repo
[21:45] <k-s> thanks
[21:46] <asac> k-s: no. i say: upload mozilla-devscripts from that daily ppa (or from jaunty) to your ppa ;)
[21:46] <asac> so you dont need to depend on it
[21:47] <k-s> ok, so far it worked depending, if it break i'll let you know
[21:47] <asac> k
[21:48] <jhass840> Hi, I have a small problem and I'm not sure if you can help me but I'll ask anyway.  My university just outsourced all of our e-mail accounts to windows live mail.  I want to continue checking my e-mail via thunderbird, however after following a tutorial online I get the error "Mail server localhost responded: live.kutztown.edu is an unsupported domain" what do I do about this?
[21:59] <nhandler_> asac: ping
[22:00] <k-s> someone with full firefox source could grep where 'Use Small Icons' option is defined?
[22:01] <fta> k-s, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/locales/en-US/chrome/global/customizeToolbar.dtd#8
[22:01] <k-s> fta: thanks
[22:01] <fta> that's trunk / 3.6
[22:02] <jhass840> and the entire PA state university system is implementing the same system, so this will be a huge problem in the months to come
[22:03] <BUGabundo> hey fta! you are back! how was vacation ? nbice I hope! missed you dude!
[22:04] <fta> BUGabundo, nice, thanks. I hurt my knees so i had to come back sooner than expected though :P
[22:04] <k-s> fta: how to make a profile where this is set by default?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> k-s: firefox -P
[22:05] <BUGabundo> fta: sorry to hear about that! hope you make a speedy recover
[22:06] <nhandler_> Would any of you guys know a good place to start getting involved with patching/packaging for the Mozilla Team. The extension list on the wiki seemed very outdated
[22:07] <k-s> i mean, how to patch/modify ubufox to make that smallicons to be on by default (netbooks)
[22:07] <fta> nhandler_, asac & Jazzva_ are the extension guys here ;)
[22:09] <nhandler_> fta: I know that, but due to time zones, it is difficult to catch them on IRC to have a real conversation.
[22:09] <Jazzva_> nhandler_: present at the moment...
[22:09] <nhandler_> Awesome!
[22:10] <Jazzva_> nhandler_: yeah, the list is a bit outdated, iirc. but you can pick any unmaintained (or maintained) extension, and start working :)
[22:11] <Jazzva_> nhandler_: there is a wiki page that explains how to prepare a new package, or an update for the existing one, just let me find the link
[22:11] <nhandler_> Jazzva_: I have it bookmarked on my other computer
[22:11] <nhandler_> I'll start looking for a good extension now and then try to package it up later tonight
[22:12] <Jazzva_> nhandler_: it should be easy for most extensions. if you have any trouble, just ping me, i'll be around for 2-3 hours tonight (maybe more)
[22:14] <fta> k-s, sorry, i don't know. doesn't seem to be a pref for that
[22:14] <fta> [reed], do you know? ^^
[22:15] <k-s> fta: right click toolbar icons, you'll see it there
[22:15] <fta> i know, but you want to preset it, right?
[22:15] <k-s> yes
[22:15] <k-s> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/content/customizeToolbar.js#662 that checkbox calls this function
[22:15] <nhandler_> Jazzva_: From looking through lp:~mozillateam/firefox-extensions/XPI.TEMPLATE, it does not appear that we use watch files or get-orig-source in the extensions, is this correct?
[22:15] <k-s> maybe it helps?
[22:16] <Jazzva_> nhandler_: yes, that's true
[22:18] <k-s> fta: in my localstore.rdf I have a bunch of descriptions <RDF:Description ...iconsize="small"
[22:18] <k-s> but maybe it's not the right way to set it in all toolbars
[22:21] <k-s> well, I see no references to smallicons on firefox other than that dialog
[22:21] <k-s> so it's not checking for it on startup
[22:42] <k-s> fta: ok, figured out what I need to do
[22:42] <k-s> but still not how to do
[22:43] <k-s> i need to add: <RDF:Description RDF:about="chrome://browser/content/browser.xul#navigator-toolbox" iconsize="small" />
[22:47] <k-s> anyone knows how to do that?
[23:09] <nhandler_> The majority of the FF extensions that I have looked at simply put "MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1" in there license file. They do not ship a copy of any of these licenses. Should I contact the upstream developer about this or is there something else that should be done?
[23:12] <kklimonda> could someone check bug 374106? Right now adblock extension with EasyList is hiding some subscribers, maybe we could add launchpad.net and edge to whitelist?