[00:35] DId Intrepid have support for an official moonlight plugin? [03:18] What would be a good place to start if I am interested in helping out with the Mozilla Team? [03:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/TriagersHandbook [03:20] micahg: I was thinking of something along the patching/packaging lines. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List appears to be a little out of date (although I could be mistaking) [03:27] ah [03:27] ok [03:27] asac would be the one to talk to [03:27] but it's 5AM for him now [03:29] Ok, I guess I'll try asac tomorrow. [03:33] The wiki's in genral seem out of date [03:38] welcome to nhandler [03:38] Thank you e-jat [03:38] * e-jat wanna learn from nhandler :) [03:49] * micahg wants to learn also [03:49] I'm almost ready to get into packagingh [03:49] figured I'd start triaging first [03:51] micahg: If you are interested in generic packaging, we have weekly packaging training sessions (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training) in #ubuntu-classroom every Thursday [03:54] * nhandler -> bed [03:58] nite nhandler [04:05] nite nhandler [04:05] thanks [04:05] I attended 1 already :) === dpm_ is now known as dpm [10:55] hi [10:55] asac, what happened with the +karmic thingy in the umd ppa? [11:38] fta: he [11:38] fta: welcome back ;) [11:38] jcastro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169441/ help :) [11:39] fta: i did a manual upload to karmic and because we had ~umd1 in jaunty i used +karmic ;) [11:39] asac, thanks, sooner than expected though :( [11:39] fta: we have problems with launchpad [11:39] fta: e.g. after launchpad got a new disk array for ppa uploads [11:39] fta: the uploads are now processed in random order [11:39] gasp [11:39] meaning that we are out of luck and often the non-orig uploads are processed firest [11:40] i have filed a bug on that and celso is o nit [11:40] # ? [11:40] for the time being we either should wait 5-10 minutes [11:40] or upload orig everyhwere [11:40] let me check [11:40] I can do that, i don't mind uploading more [11:41] fta: yeah. but to prevent that you dont overwrite stuff you would need to push to the right pocket directly [11:41] wait a second [11:42] bug 371640 [11:42] Launchpad bug 371640 in soyuz "Upload processing order is unstable" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371640 [11:42] fta: so you can directly push to release pockets like: [11:42] ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty/ [11:43] for incoming [11:45] well, requires too many changes to my setup [11:49] fta: there are two options: a) one batch for jaunty (with orig) ... 10 minutes later do the other [11:49] b) push to release pockets [11:49] with all having orig [11:50] fta: you could also just push everything ... 10 minutes later push everythig again ;) [11:50] i think it's safe to just push the full thing each time, it's the same file, so no md5 mismatch [11:50] fta: its not safe [11:51] fta: if you upload ... and in the middle of the upload the first .changes gets processed [11:51] your orig is busted and all is dropped [11:51] so thats not an option [11:51] if you dont want to change your setup, just re-run the whole thing 1 hour later or so [11:52] without changing upstream version of course [11:53] fta: celso said he will fix it asap [11:53] so use the easiest workaround [11:53] i think just repushing everything after 10 minutes is fine [11:53] where does that 10 min come from? a guess? [11:54] fta: the incoming queue runs every 5 minute [11:54] ok [11:54] so in case there is delay, 1 minutes should be safe [11:54] 10 [12:12] fta: i even fixed chromium once ;) [12:12] yep, thanks [12:12] fta: we need to add gconf stuff to ia32-chromium thing [12:12] just fixed the amd64 part [12:12] at least on hardy/intrepid [12:12] cool [12:12] fta: so one thing i didnt want to change, but why the hell are you hard depending on mstcorefonts? [12:13] because it's needed [12:13] thats really devastating ... we dont want mstcorefonts to be installed anywhere ;) [12:13] fta: why is it needed? [12:13] or in which way ;)? [12:13] otherwise you get a white screen, not text [12:13] hmm [12:13] i know [12:14] ok. lets put that on the chromium agenda ;) [12:14] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=9100 [12:14] elimnating font stuff [12:14] ooh you have bug [12:14] yeah [12:15] but even "AriaL" should map to something [12:15] 543 firefox 992714 8771 442485 3225 538233 (Alexander Sack) [12:15] 1023 firefox-3.0 597402 74140 424204 99021 37 (Alexander Sack) [12:15] 1328 msttcorefonts 390295 13 62736 5 327541 (Thijs Kinkhorst) [12:15] e.g. with ttf-liberation installed [12:15] yeah i know [12:15] its a mess [12:15] 1/3 of ubuntu users already have msttcorefonts [12:15] it needs to go [12:15] sigh [12:15] 9384 chromium-browser 3651 333 819 2498 1 (Unknown) [12:15] 9581 cxchromium 3493 331 2935 167 60 (Unknown) [12:15] \o/ [12:16] 17663 ia32-libs-chromium-browser 823 0 0 0 823 (Unknown) [12:16] 17889 ia32-cxchromium 796 81 661 39 15 (Unknown) [12:16] are there other rdepends on msttcorefonts in the archive or have all installed that voluntarily [12:16] wine [12:16] and openoffice.org [12:16] flashplugin-installer ;) [12:16] shit [12:17] hmm. wonder if thats really needed [12:17] why the hell would bookmark-brindge or whatever the name is depends on libqt* [12:18] http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=10665 [12:21] fta: welcome back. did you happen to announce chromium does not use GTK? [12:21] eh? [12:24] fta: i was told that someone (owner of daily chromium PPA that it is not yet use gtk2 [12:24] gnomefreak: fta is owner of that PPA ;) [12:24] owner of daily chromium PPA??? [12:25] fta: yes [12:25] AFAIK it depends on gtk2 so i dont get why it isnt built on it [12:25] gnomefreak: why do you think its not built on it? [12:25] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169486/ [12:26] asac: i was told it wasnt thats why i asked [12:26] fta: hm. is that after pushing all uploads that have origs? [12:27] hmmm, damn, right, won't work for umd :p [12:31] fta: why not just dput ppa-umd-$distro [12:32] and add a few rules to your dput.cf [12:32] like: [12:32] [ppa-ums-jaunty] [12:32] fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net [12:32] incoming = ~ubuntu-mozilla-security/ppa/ubuntu/jaunty/ [12:32] login = anonymous [12:32] s/security/daily/ [12:32] s/ums/umd/ [12:33] iirc, there's a feature allowing wildcards [12:33] wildcards? [12:33] [ppp-umd-*] [12:33] incoming=..../$1 ? [12:33] that would be neat [12:35] http://blog.launchpad.net/ppa/simplifying-dputcf-for-multiple-ppas [12:45] lunch ... bbl [12:47] asac, should work, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169495/ [13:01] yeah [13:22] jtv: hi. could you approve https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/xulrunner/1.9.1/+imports and https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/firefox/3.5/+imports ? [13:22] asac: looking... [13:23] jtv: if we could enable firefox-3.5 and xulrunner-1.9.1 from universe that would work as well [13:23] but we have now selected two locales with upstream to work on getting "running an upstream team" going [13:23] asac: so this is really an incipient upstream involvement on LP? [13:24] jtv: yes. Malay and Asturian want to run upstream team on LP [13:24] asac: that's great! [13:24] Asturian translation is 100% complete and we even include it [13:24] in ubuntu [13:25] jtv: so for this we will touch the po2xpi script mess to produce proper upstream-tree format [13:25] jtv: unless you say that you will land something new soon ;) [13:25] like .xpi export [13:26] asac: no, unfortunately, still on the back burner. [13:26] asac: files approved. [13:27] jtv: i saw that i can import templates/translations from bzr branch ... i guess that wont work for .xpi? [13:27] or what kind of tree structure would that be? [13:27] asac: should work, actually. Feel like experimenting? :-) [13:27] jtv: so just a branch with all the .xpi's on top level? [13:27] You'd have to keep full XPI files in the tree. [13:28] yeah [13:29] jtv: hmm. it only allows imports from the "official" branch for a seris [13:29] yes [13:30] that wouldnt really be proper for this case i guess ... the .xpi branch would defiinitly not the main branch for a series ;) [13:30] so feature request: allow to set an alternative translation branch for a release series [13:40] hmm.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/169554/ [13:41] he was maintaining that page?? i'm quite sure i created it and no one touched it since [13:50] oh, nm, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Chromium?action=recall&rev=20 [13:50] fta: i talked to him [13:51] fta: i told him to set his environment up to build chromium [13:51] e.g. pick the branches, get familiar with how to build using bzr bd [13:51] he said he wanted to do that [13:51] and then come back [13:51] fta: ^^1 [13:52] ok [13:52] that was like one week ago [13:53] a few people wanted the same thing, they disappeared [13:53] i think its easy to guess why ;) [13:54] "A new mailing list has been created for Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team (ubuntu-mozilla-daily)." what is that for? [13:55] fta: well. i tried to get more folks involved in keeping dailies alive ... they wondered where to get mails about build failures without joining team [13:55] unfortunately it turned out tha tthe launchpad mailing lists are really useless [13:55] you can only subscribe if you are member of the team [13:55] oh [13:55] so we should revert that i guess [13:56] fta: or at least you should subscribe to that ml too [13:56] i couldnt even subscribe anyone [13:56] i'm still getting the emails [13:57] could be that i disabled the mailing list for the ppa mail again after i couldnt subscribe you [13:58] fta: maybe it works even if you are not in a team [13:58] i was just confused about it not having the normal mailman "subscribe" feature here [14:00] fta: hmm. odd [14:00] so https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+contactaddress [14:00] is still the maling list [14:00] and afaics the build failures go there now [14:00] Not allowed here [14:00] Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. [14:01] wtf? am i not admin of this team? [14:01] oh no, you are [14:07] fta: you are admin now [14:08] asac, thanks === asac_ is now known as asac [14:38] hi [14:38] is this the right place to ask questions related to mozilla-devscripts? === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [14:47] sveinung__, yes it is but i don't have much time right now, i have to run. maybe asac could help. [14:57] sveinung__: ask ;) ... and be patient [14:58] asac: ok. I was just wondering if you have considered uploading the extension stuff in mozilla-devscripts to Debian? [14:59] I asked a question about it on Launchpad a while ago. https://answers.launchpad.net/mozilla-devscripts/+question/60642 [14:59] sveinung__: yes, we can do that [14:59] sveinung__: if you could file a RFP bug in debian, i will upload [15:00] asac: thanks! Should I ask for mozilla-devscripts or something else (since my impression is that mozilla-devscripts also contains other functionality)? [15:02] sveinung__: just ask for mozilla-devscripts ... i dont see why anything would hurt for debian [15:03] (even though some might not want all features) [15:03] asac: ok. Thank you again! [15:03] welcome ... sveinung__ give me the bug id when you have it [15:15] fta: you're all set [15:19] jcastro: what powers did fta just gain? [15:20] asac: his bug control thing was expiring [15:20] hmm ok [15:20] jcastro: are there teams where you cannot renew on your own? [15:21] yeah, bug control [15:21] there might be others, but that's the largest one I think [15:26] asac: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=528225 [15:26] Debian bug 528225 in wnpp "RFP: mozilla-devscripts" [Wishlist,Open] [15:28] sveinung__: good. i retitled and took ownershipt ... lets see ;) [16:50] where is gwibber's profile located? i cant find it anywhere [16:54] gnomefreak: ~/.config/gwibber? [16:54] no its just ~/.gwibber [16:54] i think most stuff is saved in gconf/gnome-keyring though [16:54] asac: i dont have a ~gwibber [16:54] ~/.gwibber even [16:54] ~/.gwibber [16:54] asac: what do I do if someone reports a bug fixed, but I don't know where [16:55] micahg: close the bug as invalid ;) [16:55] ok [16:55] great [16:55] thanks [16:55] asac: even if it was confirse?med by someone el [16:55] oops [16:55] even if it was confirmed by someone else? [16:56] well. claiming its "fix released" without knowing where and how is similarly wrong ;) [16:56] ah its in ~/.gconf/apps/gwibber [16:56] micahg: in the end it doesnt matter ... if someone feels offended by invalid you can use fix released [16:56] ok [16:56] great [16:56] also, should I join mozsquad if I only work on bugs? [16:56] gnomefreak: yeah. thats the gconf database [16:57] gnomefreak: you can use gconf-editor to navigate and edit that kind of stuff [16:58] asac: i was thinking of backup but not sure if i really want to back up the whole ~/.gconf but maybe ill grab gwibber out of it and than add it to that dir when needed [17:00] it seems the pictures are help in ~/.cache/gwibber [17:00] lol i have 2 of you for some strange reason [17:03] ;) [17:03] gnomefreak: i think one is twitter, the other is identi.ca [17:03] asac: makes sense [17:05] i'm back [17:05] asac: is it worth it for me to join this : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozillasquad === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [17:05] micahg: it expresses your affiliation, so yeah [17:06] i would [17:06] welcome back reed ;) [17:06] even with a pristine nick [17:09] fta: i read the news that chromium doesnt need patches for webkit anymore ;) [17:09] so we can push harder on doing system libs soonish [17:10] but it needs webkit from trunk, we're probably too old [17:10] they perform a weekly sync with trunk [17:10] do we know anything about webkit release cycle? [17:11] i don't [17:15] hello here then [17:15] LaPingvino1: hi [17:15] thanks for the redirect asac [17:15] welcome [17:16] LaPingvino1: what question do you have? [17:16] I want to know how I can get the translations of the Esperanto translation team (outside of ubuntu) into ubuntu [17:16] LaPingvino1: what does "outside of ubuntu" mean? [17:17] that it's just a firefox translation team [17:17] and that their translation is not available in ubuntu yet [17:17] LaPingvino1: ok. how do you release your translations? [17:17] is that translation complete? [17:17] quite complete yes [17:17] LaPingvino1: ok. is that translation already an official mozilla translation? [17:17] yes [17:17] it is [17:18] http://eo.www.mozilla.com/eo/ [17:18] who the hell are these people in these pictures :( ill be back [17:20] any idea? how do the translations normally come in? [17:20] LaPingvino1: if its released http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0.10/linux-i686/xpi/ it will automatically come when we update translations next time [17:20] which should happen regularly [17:21] ah great :) [17:21] yeah it's in there :) [17:22] so it should get in for the next translation update then I guess... [17:22] when will that be? [17:23] no idea ... i have to manually update the .xpis at some place. please ping me daily until i said i did that ;) [17:23] LaPingvino1: ^^ [17:23] i will try to slip that into next slot [17:26] aha :) [17:28] fta: did we restructure anything in the ffox packaging since 3.0? like improved how branding works? [17:28] i don't think so [17:28] somehow the -devscripts lp-export-langpack filter thing doesnt catch the branding bits anymore [17:28] hmm [17:29] but during the last 3 weeks, i forgot almost everything [17:29] hard reset [17:29] Anyhow, as I see now the language packs in firefox are still on 3.0.7 as Firefox is already on 3.0.10... [17:29] so it wouldn't do harm to update it :P [17:30] MOZ_TRANSLATION_AUTO_XPI_SEARCHDIRS [17:30] fta: yeah ... be assured things will come back. the brain is an interesting type of device ;) [17:30] LaPingvino1: it doesnt and it should [17:30] thats why i want to fast-path that now ;) [17:31] aha :D [17:31] great then [17:31] asac, too bad i had to come back sooner than expected. it was a really nice experience [17:31] ey, sidestep... any idea why my nick LaPingvino automatically gets LaPingvino1? [17:31] guess it's for that I'm already registered once... :S [17:32] fta: yeah. thats what i already wondered. thoguth you were going to be away another week ... hope nothing bad happens [17:34] oh [17:34] hmm. not [17:34] ? [17:38] can you have empty lines in your .bashrc in the alias' section? [17:38] alias section? [17:38] i only know about alias lines ;) [17:38] asac: i have a ton of alias' in my bashrc [17:38] each alias is one line [17:38] right [17:38] you probably forgot a ' [17:38] somewhere [17:38] can i add an empty line between them? [17:39] yes you can [17:39] ok cool thanks :) [17:41] ok im gone for a while [17:49] asac, could you push your gtk patch in karmic for bug 362939? [17:49] Launchpad bug 362939 in ia32-libs "sync ia32libs with libs shipped in jaunty RC" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362939 [17:49] i mean bug 369498 [17:49] Launchpad bug 369498 in ia32-libs "Errors when running acroread in 9.04 (fully updated)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369498 === reed is now known as [reed] [18:07] jcastro, thanks! (bug-squad) [18:07] fta: couldnt you renew yourself? [18:07] sounds like a bug [18:08] currently looking for the patch (modules) [18:09] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/169441/ [18:10] hmm. o [18:10] k [18:10] so maybe they want a review for that ... not sure why ,) [18:10] Jazzva: hi! could you check whether you can subscribe to the daily mailing list in launchpad ;) [18:10] asac: sure, that would be ood :) [18:11] *good [18:11] Jazzva: this mail liist feature of launchpad feels a bit inferior [18:11] let me know if you can subscribe as a being a nono-member for daily at all [18:12] if thats not possible its definitly useless ;) [18:12] asac: It's the same as it was few days ago ... "Policy: You must be a team member to subscribe to the team mailing list. " [18:12] oh sorry [18:12] forgot that you already tested that [18:12] what a mess [18:12] asac: no problem. I thought somebody fixed that :). [18:12] asac, what does it say: http://www.googlewatchblog.de/2009/05/09/chromium-fuer-mac-und-linux-verfuegbar/ ? [18:13] fta: i dont see your name at least ;) [18:14] fta: just a blog about a user testing this [18:14] i mean the official linux builds [18:14] similar to the official mozilla builds as it seems [18:14] seems for him the tabs are broken [18:15] <[reed]> asac: hiya [18:15] <[reed]> yeah, been busy :) [18:15] hey ;) [18:15] i figured that [18:15] thoguht you were on university action [18:15] exams et al [18:15] <[reed]> yeah, and then I moved out to California for the summer ;) [18:15] <[reed]> see my host ;) [18:15] nice [18:16] where are you living? [18:16] <[reed]> in MV [18:16] already found a final occupation [18:16] <[reed]> lol [18:16] or something intermediate? [18:16] occupation is wrong word ;) [18:16] <[reed]> I'm staying at corporate apartments with some of the Mozilla interns [18:16] <[reed]> for the summer [18:17] yeah cool. thats what i thought [18:17] must be fun [18:17] <[reed]> yeah, I was in SF on Saturday [18:17] <[reed]> got sunburned ;) [18:17] heh [18:18] [reed]: so "reed" is still not abandoned on freenode? [18:19] <[reed]> nope [18:19] <[reed]> it's owned by some FSF Europe guy [18:25] fta: so for this patch you need to create a HOST link in /usr/lib/gtk+2.0/modules/ similar to the one in .../2.10.0/ [18:26] just pointing to the modules dir of ia32libs [18:26] its created in ia32libs ... so maybe check how they guess that GTK_HOST thing [18:26] fta: so currently we have: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/i686-pc-linux-gnu [18:26] we also need [18:27] /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/i686-pc-linux-gnu [18:27] well in karmic thats hopefully i486 again [18:27] and not 868 [18:27] 686 [18:27] but in jaunty it was i686 [18:27] once you have that you probably need the gtk from my sandbox ppa -- currently building [18:28] https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive/sandbox === micahg1 is now known as micahg [18:33] asac, we own the builders: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders/ :) [18:33] fta: i tell you ... [18:33] you were really happy to not be here over the release time [18:33] that was a real mess ;) [18:33] ? [18:33] like 2000 builds on i386 ;) both official and ppa builders ;) [18:34] lol [18:34] i thinkn the removed a bunch of builds from ppa before the release [18:34] so they could add them to the the auto-import [18:34] so while we were in hard freeze everybody uploadded to PPA ... as they seemingly had nothing to do ;) [18:34] then when stuff opened everybody also uploaded to PPA because they thought they might see results earlier [18:35] i think it's dynamically allocated [18:35] so it was kind of free market regulation ... both ppa and builders took the same time ;) [18:35] fta: yeah. but they definitly had less virtual instances after archive opened [18:35] now there is a whole lot [18:35] before it was 3-4 builders for each arch [18:36] 2 official builders per arch now [18:37] you should be able to see that in log ... like dailies starting 8-10 hours after upload ;) [18:37] fta: yeah ... the official builders are about the same ... not sure where all the PPA builders were at that time [18:37] there definitly were 4-5 in parallel ... not more [18:39] fta: so one thing i will do for jaunty is to move the gnome-support components to the main package ... and manually sedding shlibs so the gnome depends dont show up in the main package [18:39] s/jaunty/karmic/ [18:39] the gnome-support package would then be just a "depends" only package [18:40] hm [18:40] problem is that we cannot make -gnome-support a recommends ... kde folks hated us when we did that [18:40] so people installing thunderbird will not geet a complete user experience [18:41]