[07:26] In ubottu, ziroday said: !no, envy is EnvyNG is a program to install newer version of nVidia and ATi drivers, which can be found in !Universe as "envyng-gtk" or "envyng-qt". It is NOT a supported method to install them; please only use it at your own risks if standard methods fail - See !nvidia or !ati [07:28] !envy [07:28] EnvyNG is a program to install newer version of nVidia drivers, which can be found in !Universe as "envyng-gtk" or "envyng-qt". It is NOT a supported method to install them; please only use it at your own risks if standard methods fail - See !nVidia [07:28] does envy "support" ATI now? [07:29] !info envyng-core [07:29] envyng-core (source: envyng-core): install the ATI or the NVIDIA driver. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1ubuntu1 (jaunty), package size 116 kB, installed size 880 kB [07:36] !no envyng is EnvyNG is a program to install newer version of nVidia or ATi drivers, it can be found in !Universe as "envyng-gtk" (for Gtk/Gnome) or "envyng-qt" (for Qt/KDE). It is NOT a supported method to install video drivers; please only use it if standard methods fail and at your own risk - See also !BinaryDrver [07:36] I'll remember that tsimpson [08:35] yay, he got bored and join #kubuntu-offtopic [09:00] could we get a kick on EXTIICEK in #ubuntu? [09:00] or is this not the appropriate place to ask abut that? [09:00] raylu: hi, how can we help ? [09:00] raylu: about what ? [09:00] about kicking a spammer in #ubuntu [09:00] raylu: what's the problem ? [09:00] EXTIICEK [09:00] he's gone [09:01] thanks much. [09:01] no problem [09:39] * elky touches the wooden table repeatedly whilst asking 'slow day?'... [09:39] delightfully slow [09:40] me grips the table firmly in both hands. [09:41] it will be a fine day, have faith [09:41] hrm, this will be an odd sweet-n-sour... i have no capsicum [09:41] brb, foods. [10:08] *something* [10:08] $timeofday [10:36] good day to you all [10:38] and a delightful afternoon to you Tm_T sir [10:39] Tm_T: I need your home address, plz [10:40] Myrtti: its simple! Tm_T, woods out back of Joensuu, Finland [10:40] :P [10:40] jussi01: shuddup [10:41] *g* [10:41] I'm going to mail some of the stuffed polar bears to my goddaughter :-) [10:43] Myrtti shot some bears over the weekend, stuffed them with garlic, parseley and mushroom, mmmm [10:43] haha [10:44] they should know better than spend their nights loitering outside Myrtti's pub [10:44] oh ffs [10:45] I've tried to unencrypt a root partition of my old home server for the past hour [10:45] typing in all the possible passwords [10:45] too bad I've been trying to unlock the wrong partition with the right passwords and didn't notice it until now [10:45] * Myrtti goes to bang her head on the wall [10:48] hahaha [12:09] @login [12:09] The operation succeeded. [13:09] * ikonia is frustrated with Jaunty [13:25] if jumbers mentions that stupid pen island url once more, please kick him for trolling [13:25] ok [14:41] Seeker` did you use your graphics tablet as a mouse in absolute or relative mode? [14:41] (besides stupid KDE settings for leftie mouse also mean that when tapping the table, that's a right click, meh) [14:41] are you a leftie too [14:42] no ikonia, i just have an aching right hand [14:42] oh [14:42] although the left one is starting to hurt too, and the right leg, and the neck... [14:42] getting x-rays the day after tomorrow [14:43] i certainly cannot say i hadn't been warned about spending years sitting all day in an awkward position [14:47] In #ubuntu-offtopic, dmsuperman said: !punctuation is Excessive overuse of punctuation is really unnecessary. Please refrain from using so much of it. [14:48] ... [14:48] !!! [14:49] I'll slap him [14:49] go ahead [14:50] -ot has been annoying me today as well. [14:50] i am, as a matter of fact, not sure that (notwithstanding the, doubtless, well-meant intentions), all things considered, it would be (particularly!) good idea to discourage - or for that matter scare people off from! who knows how they might interpret it.... - people from employing punctuation and/or elaborate sentences (which, however, can [it has to be admitted] sometimes become a burden to understanding) [14:53] I'm confused [14:53] LjL: make that a factoid [14:53] er, not at what LjL said. [14:53] I can't see what the problem is with LjL's sentence [14:53] Pici: good, otherwise you'd be stating the obvious [14:53] maybe I'm just a tightarse twit that is overly anal about a language that's not even my native one [14:53] Myrtti: there's a missing indefinite articule before "good idea" [14:54] It too wordy! [14:54] also, the ellipsis is made of four dots instead of three [14:54] LjL: minor details [14:55] * LjL stabs everyone with exclamation marks [14:55] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!enter [14:55] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [14:55] except some, some will get stabbed with a question mark because it's more painful when extracting [14:55] * Pici hides [14:56] well, it's a good thing I've been away from IRC then... [14:56] * Myrtti goes back to hiding [15:02] Why don't we try having !punctuation for a bit, if we don't get good reponses to it, we'll get rid of it. [15:02] Extra !!!! and ???? annoy me too. [15:02] HELP ME !!!!!?????? [15:02] !punctuation | ikonia [15:02] ikonia: Punctuation is good, but its overuse hurts readability: Please refrain from adding 10 ?'s or !'s to the end of your sentences. See also !enter [15:03] what if they add eleven? [15:04] If I change 10 to extra then people will be calling the factoid when people use 2. [15:06] Pici: "several"? "very many"? "a disproportionate amount"? "more than the rest of the message is actually long"? "so many that if we had still been on 33.6kbps modems, we'd still be receiving them"? [15:06] !punctuation =~ s/10/many/ [15:06] I'll remember that Pici [15:07] LjL: While I like the last suggestion, long factoids are also annoying, so I won't use it. [15:07] fair :) [15:30] hello [15:30] TheFunkbomb: Hello, how can we help you today? [15:31] I believe my ban from #ubuntu-offtopic is up\ [15:31] TheFunkbomb: that's not what I said [15:31] TheFunkbomb: I asked you to return here to discuss it futher [15:31] Okay, let's do that [15:31] more so after you started pm'ing me asking what you'd done wrong again, [15:31] let's go over that again [15:31] TheFunkbomb: do you understand why you where removed from #ubuntu-offtopic ? [15:32] I understand why but I don't think it was right [15:32] TheFunkbomb: ok - so could you just explain breifly why please ? [15:32] briefly even [15:32] Apparently, I didn't answer someone's question [15:32] you still don't get it [15:33] there is nothing "apparant" about it [15:33] and it was your overall attitude [15:33] Did you ever say you were an op? [15:33] plus saying "i would have responded different if I know you where an op" is not acceptable [15:33] It is. [15:33] TheFunkbomb: as I explained to you - manners should be applied to every one - not just an op [15:33] your behaviour should not change if there is an op present [15:33] How do I know you aren't some random guy busting my stones? [15:33] it doesn't matter if I am [15:33] it was a polite request [15:34] you treated it rudely [15:34] But it does. That changes how I respond [15:34] then you don't understand why you where banned [15:34] Hold on [15:34] come back in 24 hours again after you have had a think about it [15:34] let me finish [15:34] sure, please do [15:34] Let's take the whole you're an op/not an op thing out of the equation. If someone busts your stones, do you bust stones back? [15:35] no [15:35] and no-one busted your stoned [15:35] You must be a blast at parties [15:35] people asked you politley [15:35] I'm not at a party, I'm in a public IRC channel [15:35] Lets move back a step further: 'Lets harrass a stupid woman' isn't something we want in our IRC channels. [15:36] Pici, and if that was said, fine. But that's not how it came across at all [15:36] TheFunkbomb: thats how it came across [15:36] people complained about it - and I can see why, [15:36] maybe that was your intent, but that's not how it came across at all [15:36] thats fine, so mistakes can happen, [15:36] it still needed to stop [15:36] it came across as you busting stones. I busted stones back [15:36] TheFunkbomb: I wasn't there, but I'm looking at the logs now. You were told that and your response was just: :\ [15:37] TheFunkbomb: no - you responded to a polite request with smart mouth comments [15:37] ikonia looked to clarify that reponse and didn't get anywhere. [15:37] TheFunkbomb: no-one busted your stoned - someone asked you a polite question [15:37] TheFunkbomb: if you think a polite question warrents your rude attitude, then you are very wrong [15:38] I was just busting stones back, that's it. I don't see why you have to blow things out of proportion [15:38] no-one busted your stones as you keep calling it [15:38] TheFunkbomb: I asked you a polite question several times [15:38] I think its jsut a misudnerstanding. [15:38] But that's how it came across [15:38] I don't at all [15:38] Pici, exactly [15:39] Pici: I personally don't see how a simple question of "can you agree to stop" is a miss-understanding 4 times ? [15:39] Because I read it as ball busting [15:40] then perhaps you have been used to read between the lines a bit too much lately :) [15:40] i'd have read it as a question on whether you'd agree to stop [15:41] Okay, so step in my shoes. We'll go back to the op thing for a second. Say ikonia was just your average IRC Joe. Would you have read the same thing as ball busting? [15:42] We'll go a step further. Say someone in plain clothes came up to you and said "You're under arrest..." would you just go with them? [15:42] TheFunkbomb: thats a different situation [15:42] well no, i don't respond to people differently based on whether or not they're an op [15:42] How is that different? [15:42] i respond the way i think i ought to respond, then if that results in a ban because the fellow was an op, then too bad, wasn't a channel i wanted to be in [15:43] TheFunkbomb: just deal with the issue in hand, not fantasy situations [15:43] It was all a misunderstanding and you're taking this way too far. [15:43] but you weren't told you were under arrest (which, on irc, perhaps could be made equivalent to "you're banned, leave this channel now"). you were simply asked to stop something that, according to the CoC and guidelines, was clearly not acceptable [15:43] it doesn't take an operator to read the CoC and guidelines [15:43] does it? no. [15:43] LjL, show me in the CoC and guidelines where that is wrong [15:43] * Pici sighs [15:44] be respect ful to peple [15:44] Who did I disrespect? [15:44] oh i wasn't there when the alleged harrassment happened, but you just seemed to agree that isn't really under discussion [15:44] TheFunkbomb: me and the people in the channel [15:44] How did I disrespect you and the people in the channel? [15:44] TheFunkbomb: people asked you to stop, you didn't I asked you to stop you ignored and smart mouth responded [15:45] Can you show me where you asked me to stop? [15:45] oh enough now [15:45] you know exactly where I asked you to stop [15:45] 2009-05-10T14:00:11 TheFunkbomb: there will be no mocking any more please [15:45] 2009-05-10T14:00:20 too late [15:45] and did I mock anyone after that? [15:45] no [15:46] you made smart comments about it, so I asked you to clarify and agree to stop [15:46] I saw a guy busting my stones over something silly and I busted them back. [15:46] you didn't [15:47] I'm inclined to disagree, from my reading your behaviour you just wanted to be "funny" [15:47] TheFunkbomb: Look at it from our point of view, how would you react to someone if when you asked them to stop doing something they just said 'too late'? [15:47] I wouldn't make a huge production out of it [15:48] TheFunkbomb: Could you be sure that this response meant that they actually listended to you, or that they were just mocking your request? [15:48] no-one did, I just asked you politley to agree to stop because you had not made that clear with your smart comments [15:48] You guys are making this out to be the Nuremberg trials or something [15:48] * Pici sighs [15:48] I'll end it there then [15:49] I made it perfectly clear that I stopped because the conversation had stopped [15:49] TheFunkbomb: Well, we apoligize, but its frustrating when something that seems clear to us is not clear to thers. [15:49] er, others. [15:49] All that's clear is that this is a misunderstanding that is getting blown out of proportion [15:50] I thought you were kidding around. You weren't. It's over [15:51] I disagree, and it general I don't appreciate your attitude, of asking logs to be quoted, show me in the COC etc etc, when you've had this explaiend to you all yesterday, I' won't be removing the ban today because I don't agree with what your saying, if Pici or the others disagree they can remove it === bluesmoke_ is now known as Amaranth [15:52] C'est la vie [15:52] Are we done here? [15:52] I am [15:53] if you want to discuss it futher tommorow I'm sure we can progress it, [15:53] however if the others disagree and want to remove the ban , I have zero issue with that [15:53] I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same conversation [15:53] TheFunkbomb: it won't if you just think about it, and understand the issue [15:53] If you'd like to have the same conversation tomorrow, I'm game. [15:54] this is the attitude I'm talking about [15:54] I'll leave it to the others then [15:54] ikonia, I understand the issue. Your problem is you're coming at the issue as you being infallible. [15:55] your attitude of someone busts your balls, you bust back is the issue [15:55] No. [15:55] I disagree. [15:55] then over to you [15:55] that's how ball busting works, my friend [15:55] one moment. [15:56] I'd like to think that this ban was placed because of what you said originally. [15:56] Pici: thats why it was placed [15:56] Pici: I couldn't get agreement that it would stop [15:56] the woman comments needed to be stop [15:57] the reason I'm not removing it is because of the attitude towards users (myself included) making polite requests, the attiude was unwarrented and what kept the ban in place [15:57] Then lets focus on that instead of the busting comments that happened afterwards. [15:58] okay, let's go back to that [15:58] Pici: that is resolved, as far as I'm concerned he's agreed not to do that again [15:58] Then what's the problem?! [15:58] your attitude - as I've said [15:58] what attitude? Because I dare disagree with you? [15:59] no, because you don't seem to understand the "be polite/respectful" to each other and you don't see how your initial women comment was against the COC [16:00] Whoa now. You're changing things. [16:00] How did that comment disrespect anyone? [16:01] apoligies, work calls me. [16:01] you think asking users to come help you harrass someone who is dumb is respectful and polite ? [16:02] who is that disrespectful to? [16:02] the women who is having problems, and gather people to go and cause a problem for her is not nice to share with the channel [16:03] who says she's having problems? [16:03] Do you even know who this woman is? [16:03] not a clue [16:03] nor does it matter [16:04] so, is there any rule in the CoC that says you can't pull channel people into off-IRC stuff like this? [16:04] yes [16:04] be respectful of people [16:04] asking people to come and mock people is not rspectful [16:04] I don't see how that applies. [16:05] as I said - you don't see how that is a problem, which is an issue for me [16:05] If I agreed that it wouldn't happen anymore, then it really isn't an issue for you, now is it? [16:05] do you think it looks good to the channel to have someone in the ubuntu name space saying "come on, lets go harras this women" [16:05] I'll tell you what I think. Do you really want to hear? [16:06] you're welcome to explain, sure [16:07] I think your life must not be all that great. I'm not judging, my life isn't all parties and parades either. By being an Op, it gives you a little power and somehow, using your power over trivial crap like this makes you feel better about things. [16:08] ok, [16:08] I've seen it happen a lot. [16:08] you're welcome to your opinion, I have no issue with that [16:08] now I'll explain the facts [16:08] 1.) you made rude comments and tried to insight people to join you [16:08] 2.) channel members asked you to stop [16:09] 3.) you didn't so they came to use [16:09] us [16:09] 4.) I asked you to stop, you responded with ignorance and smart comments [16:09] 5.) you where banned and still had an attitude [16:09] Is there a 5, or can I post my rebuttal? [16:09] ooh [16:09] 6.) you came back here 24 hours later because I refused to discuss it with your attiutde at the time [16:10] 7.) I'm not impressed with your attitude as you still don't see how your comments where an issue (although I ackwoledge you've finally said you'll stop that) nor how ignoring polite user requests is an issue [16:11] let me know when you're done. [16:11] I'm done [16:11] My turn :) [16:11] 1. The comment was not rude. [16:11] 2. Who asked me to stop? [16:12] 3. The time between they supposedly asked me to stop and you showing up was how long? [16:12] 4. You did not ask me to stop. You made snotty comments. [16:12] 5. I'm still not aware of this attitude. Disagreeing with you != attitude. [16:12] 6. I was asked to come back 24 hours later. [16:13] 7. I'm not here to impress you. Most of this stuff is a figment of your imagination. [16:13] do you two realize you've been going on for 45 minutes, and that's just today? [16:13] LjL: I'm about to drop it [16:13] Honestly, I don't have anything much better to do... [16:14] TheFunkbomb: I suggest you wait for someone else to deal with your issue, [16:14] It seems like all the other issues have been cleared except for your issue with me. [16:14] TheFunkbomb: yes, I would agree on that [16:15] and the issue that you don't understand how the coc applied to your comments [16:15] which is an issue [16:15] but I'll leave it for someone else to deal with now [16:15] You realize I didn't even post a link, right? [16:15] or anything [16:15] don't care [16:15] doesn't matter [16:15] so, this person could be imaginary and that's still an issue? [16:15] yes [16:16] it's not the way to present yourself in the ubuntu name space [16:16] ok /me goes to look at the logs, can't resist anymore [16:17] I'll tell you what. When I do get back into off-topic, I'll report everything that offends me in the slightest directly to you. [16:17] And believe me, I can be a very sensitive person [16:17] this is the attitude [16:17] I'm trying to help you! [16:17] wait for someone else, I'm not progressing this futher [16:17] why won't you let me help? :( [16:18] TheFunkbomb: now don't troll [16:18] he's told you he's handing over the issue to other operators [16:18] please respect that [16:18] it was a sincere offer [16:22] I need cigarettes so if someone says something and I don't respond, don't take that the wrong way... again [16:24] okay [16:26] Well, ladies and gentlemen, I have stuff I have to do over on the Windows side of things. I'm sure at some point we can clear this whole thing up. Good day. [16:29] and I'm back [16:34] so, any op going to undo my ban? [16:39] Pici, LjL? [16:39] TheFunkbomb: i am not an operator [16:39] TheFunkbomb: Sorry, dealing with other stuff. [16:40] I see [16:41] do I want to read the backlog? [16:43] It's not really all that big of a deal, despite what some may say [16:47] oh boy. [16:47] * Myrtti read bantracker [17:03] TheFunkbomb: it doesn't look like anyone is free at the moment to deal with your request, it may be better to pop back in say, an hour, maybe two at a push see if anyone is free then ? [17:03] I'll stick around. I don't want to miss if someone shows up [17:04] TheFunkbomb: it's a non-idle channel, if no-one is around to assist it's better to come back later [17:04] what if I miss someone? [17:04] you won't if you come back later, as there is no-one around at the moment [17:05] well, what about the rest of the idlers? [17:05] they are not idlers [17:05] no? [17:05] TheFunkbomb: no [17:05] !idle [17:05] Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [17:06] What about folks like LjL and boredandblogging? [17:06] TheFunkbomb: how about stop trying to find holes and just rspect the request [17:06] i'm sure the operators can decide who they feel comfortable with idling here. [17:06] TheFunkbomb: please leave now. if we wanted LjL to leave, we would ask him to leave and he would leave [17:06] I'm patiently waiting for an operator to look at my case. I'm not causing any problems [17:06] I'm not idling. [17:07] TheFunkbomb: yes, I'm explaining there is no-one free to do it at this time, I'm sure if you pop back in an hour, someone may be free [17:07] perhaps I'm waiting for Pici to become free. He said he was being held up by work. [17:07] or she. [17:07] it [17:08] TheFunkbomb: pici has said he's not free at the mooment, so as I said, if you pop back in an hour he maybe free then, or someone else [17:08] why can't you just undo the ban? [17:08] TheFunkbomb: free or not, i'm having diffficulty seeing how anyone would remove your ban very soon, and you are making it worse [17:08] your point has been made. [17:08] * topyli has lots of time [17:08] hey, all I'm looking for is some fair treatment. [17:09] wait [17:09] i have an idea [17:09] TheFunkbomb: ok, so, pop back in an hour when pici may be free, as he's not currently. Please [17:09] why don't we all harrass this fellow [17:09] [17:09] PM me if you want to know who they are and how to harrass them [17:09] LjL: play nice [17:09] why aren't you busting his stones? [17:09] LjL: thanks ljl for re-ignighting it [17:10] TheFunkbomb: come back in an hour, speak to pici and see if he or one of the others take a different view to myself, PLEASE. [17:10] and what if they aren't? [17:10] then pop back an hour after that [17:10] I'm sure you'll catch someone, it is normally quite active [17:10] why can't you just undo it? [17:11] TheFunkbomb: I've said I'm not going to progress it futher, so please don't start that again [17:11] I've had about enough [17:11] TheFunkbomb: come back later. [17:11] It's quite clear that you're trying to instigate a fight. I'm not interested in fighting with you [17:11] Myrtti, how about you? Will you look at my case? [17:12] TheFunkbomb: I assure you I'm not trying to start a fight, hence why I said come back in an hour or so, and someone maybe free to help, [17:12] hold on now, I'm asking Myrtti. [17:13] TheFunkbomb: you really, really don't want to get me involved [17:13] why not? [17:13] because the ban would be longer and more painful. [17:13] now seriously. [17:13] enough. [17:13] i don't want to see any more of this for the next day at least. [17:13] --- EOF -- [17:13] TheFunkbomb: for the benefit of yourself, please, leave [17:13] LjL, you aren't an op. Please stop interjecting. [17:13] TheFunkbomb: she's said no, please come back in an hour, it's not a fight, or a bait or anything, just tyring to keep the channel clear, pop back in an hour [17:14] I'm just asking why, that's it. [17:14] TheFunkbomb: that doesn't matter, she said no [17:14] TheFunkbomb: please just respect the individuals wishes, I'm sure someone will be free later [17:14] Actually, she didn't say no. [17:14] Hello all... [17:14] TheFunkbomb: no. [17:14] Is there anyone else around? [17:14] are we done? [17:15] Hello jussi01 would you like to look at my case? [17:16] Me :) [17:16] * genii sips [17:16] hey, wait a second. I asked Myrtti and under the code of conduct/guidelines, she wasn't supposed to give smart answers, yet she did. [17:17] TheFunkbomb: no. not right now. Id like you to please come back at a later time - shall we say tomorrow UTC sometime? [17:17] jussi01, I've already waited a day [17:17] TheFunkbomb: and 1 more wont hurt. please come back then. [17:17] I think we could get this cleared up now [17:18] I'm asking you nicely. [17:18] TheFunkbomb: I gave you as brutal and honest answer as I could without hurting anyones feelings [17:18] TheFunkbomb: I would like this to be dealt with tomorrow, so please, take your leave and come back tomorrow [17:18] Who is the owner of the ubuntu channels? [17:19] !appeal | TheFunkbomb [17:19] TheFunkbomb: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [17:19] TheFunkbomb: 3 people have asked you politely to come back later, you should do so [17:19] Who is on the appeals board? If I wind up with these same people, then nothing is going to change. [17:19] It's quite the pickle. [17:20] Ultimately it could go to the CC, none of whom are here. [17:20] for the record I am %100 happy if someone disagree's with my perception of his attitude and wants to remove the ban, I am only acting on my perception of his behaviour [17:21] LjL nailed the reason why I didn't get myself involved with him to the point - I know that if I had said what I thought of him out loud he wouldn't have been happy with the resolution [17:21] the little I saw didn't make me at all happy [17:28] just FYI everyone: [19:03:20] hey BluesKaj join #social-room OxDeadC0de and i are in there [17:28] jussi01: where did he ask that ? [17:28] in #k-ot [17:46] I think sebsebseb is pm'ing people to join ##supportandchat [17:47] ahh maybe not [17:47] my misake [17:47] mistake even [17:57]