[00:06] rpatton, how much ram [00:06] 120mb [00:07] i think you should have at least 256 mb [00:08] ok but the processor should run it right ? [00:09] well, processor is commonly not a big concern, always you use a light desktop environment like xfce [00:09] whats the speed [00:10] 533mhz [00:11] yeah its alright, im running on a 500 mhz with 384 mb [00:17] why is sharing my printer so fucking hard! [00:17] I keep getting it working, and then the next day it doesn't work again [00:18] Hello, I just recently upgraded to 9.04, and my sound isn't working anymore. I tried reinstalling but still doesn't work. Audio through my headphones works fine. [00:28] Hi! i used the alternate cd install, do i miss some realtime options for the kernel now? [00:29] can i tweak something...the scheduler or so? === R1coch3t is now known as R1cochet [02:53] Just installed my first official distro, ever... and need a hand up trying to get something. Anyone have a second? [02:58] what u need? [03:06] Hey all [03:06] whos on [03:10] Well, I'd like to get a lightweight CD player. [03:10] hehe [03:10] Because Totem gives me an error when I put my CD in. [03:10] get a ipod [03:10] lol [03:10] wait... thats mp3 [03:12] vlc? [03:12] Okay. I'm familiar with it. [03:12] mib_6kur4b0j: did u try listen music player? [03:12] I didn't see it in my menus. [03:13] Where do I need to look for it. [03:13] maybe audacious? [03:13] yea i like audacious myself [03:14] All right, all I really need is "play" and "repeat" anyway. Nothing fancy. [03:14] :P [03:14] well w/ audacious u can use older winamp skins :) [03:14] Now, to do things the linux way is to use get-apt... right? Never used it. =\ How do I get-apt Audacious? [03:15] well yes u can use apt-get or u can open: Apps>system>synaptic [03:15] then search for audacious [03:15] might be easier [03:15] however to do apt-get open terminal and type "sudo apt-get install audacious" [03:15] w/out the "" [03:16] also u might wanna make sure that u have install xubuntu-restricted-extras [03:17] and if u wanna watch dvds u need to get libdvdread4 and libdvdcss2 [03:17] Why? What's that? [03:17] Nah. It's an old P3 with 384 MB ram. [03:17] I'm not watching any DVDs on tht. [03:17] lol [03:17] that will install all the plugins u need to watch flash movies and other online stuff [03:19] Synaptec just got me audacious. [03:19] cool [03:19] now play ur music away [03:19] Except it's not.. [03:19] Totem opened again and told me "location not found." [03:20] My CD doesn't seem to have... mounted? [03:24] did u check through places menu? [03:25] Yea. Not there. "username" trash desktop file system floppy drive recent documents [03:27] hmm === Duckslammer is now known as Duckslammer_ === Duckslammer_ is now known as Duckslammer [03:29] It's cool. You got me audacious, which is good enough for now. [03:29] I need to crash for the night. Thanks for the help so far, though. I'll pop my head back in. [03:29] (I'm doing this over a web interface... what do you recommend for IRC xubuntu?) [03:30] xchat all the way [03:30] Thank you kindly. [03:30] pidgin is only good for msn type chat [03:31] All right. [03:31] I'll pick up xchat next time I come through, and I'll have an actual handle for these channels. [03:32] (btw, if you're ever stuck w/o your comp or xchat... mibbit is what I found, and it's a BIG help) [04:18] is there an EQ for listen music player? my music is coming out a bit odd and would like to be able to adjust the settings [04:35] nvm i guess not [04:36] can any1 recommend a good music player w/ an eq besides audacious? [05:21] is there a p2p app similar to frostwire that isnt frostwire? [05:34] vuze? [05:36] vuze isnt similar [05:36] its 832749874368736938473498976 times better [05:36] naw to commercial and i have deluge [05:36] so vuze is more than a torrent client? [05:37] http://www.vuze.com/app [05:37] but is it safe? [05:37] in what way? [05:38] sending my info to the feds [05:39] well, I think you can do ssl-connections [05:39] azureus.sourceforge.com [05:39] im not sure [05:39] or .net [05:39] or w/e sourceforge is [05:39] whats wrong with transmission? [05:40] R1cochet: the only safe thing to do is to no steal 'share' stuff you don't ahve rights to share [05:40] everything can probably be detected if the interested party is concerned enough [05:40] i have a torrent client; deluge and i love it. but i was looking for a napster tyoe of client [05:41] with transmission you can connect to a tracker through the tor-network and download via ssl [05:41] zoredache: i do have the rights to the music i was looking for but my disc is messed to hell and i cant rip it to hdd [06:47] is anyone on to answer my questions? [07:05] zapper, just ask and see what happens [07:43] lol [07:43] ok [07:43] here goes [07:45] what is xubuntus purpose? i mean my desktop can handle ubuntu fine, but apart from being lightweight what is its use? and what are the downsides with it? [07:45] i mean, im going to get it, but will my other linux programs be compatible with it? [07:46] just an alternative [07:46] im going to mainly use it for internet and media... [07:46] desktop alternative [07:46] ubuntu [07:46] + xfce [07:46] im going to install windows for native game playing and photoshop etc* [07:46] ok [07:47] will i have any problems installing programs designed for ubuntu? [07:48] In some cases you will have to dl some extra dependencies because of missing GNOME librarys and whatnot but apt-get gets you everything you need anyway. [07:49] Xubuntu is just nice to look at, and fast. [07:51] ok [07:51] would the extra repositories affect my speed in anyway? [07:52] I cant answere that for certian but i really dont think you will notice any speed issues with that. [08:03] anyone help with sound card problem? [08:14] yea xubuntu is the way to go [08:14] hi, what should i do? - My Quit button in Xfce does not work [08:15] I am on hardy 64bit [08:15] Also on other netbook machine with 32bit hardy I have same issue but is is there from last upgrade nowon [08:16] on third machine , also on 32 bit hardy, firefox and seamonkey get frozen after few minutes of activity [08:16] On all 3 machines, problems started after last upgrades (and 2.6.24-24) [08:17] i had issues when i upgraded also w/ it slowing way down. i did a fresh install and it runs faster than 8.10 did [08:21] nikolam: did u try both quit buttons? 1 on panel 1 in menu? [08:24] interesting.. i just added quit button on the panel and it pops up [08:24] but i tried that on netbook and didn`t work. [08:25] also on netbook, it doesn`t remember panel settings [08:28] also, 2.6.24-24 didn`t want to boot machine (restarting) until i re-installed fglrx driver with different version [08:29] And at the end, newer kernel after upgrade is just added to /boot , so disk space on /boot partition is wasted very quickly and fails to bot from time to time, since /boot gets filled [08:29] I will try to restart now.. cu all [08:29] gl [10:18] Hello there, I'm new to IRC... Can anyone tell me how to recover the Catfish search function under Places (Thunar)? I played with PCman and seem to have lost the Catfish menu item under Places now... Thank you for your patience with a newbee... [10:20] rt click on it in the panel and enter "catfish" as the command [10:20] rt click> properties [10:21] Hi there R1cochet, this is absolutely awesome real-time time help! I can't believe I discovered RIC and solved my problem in 30 secs! Heartfelt thanks from Madrid!!!! [10:22] no problemo mi amigo [10:22] Un abrazo y que tengas un dia estupendo! [10:22] not always this fast tho. i just happend to be passing by [10:22] I'm sold!! [10:23] lo siento. hablo poquito espanol [10:23] awesome i think ull find that linux is great === KO9_ is now known as ollie === ollie is now known as ollie_ [14:02] Hey, all [14:03] Hi, can anyone tell me how to edit the Applications menu in 9.04? [14:09] i want to edit the structure of the menu rather than the applications in it [14:10] I have 2 folders open with thunar and will now restart and want thouse 2 folders to be open on start [14:11] how to make folders to restore on startup ? [14:12] Kangarooo: at the quit dialog, click on "save session" [14:12] Kangroo: As long as when you shutdown/restart you choose "Save session" it should [14:13] and what saving session also does? I've used sessions long time ago but I think its adding services and slowing computer- hiden proceses.. and it also opens all programms so some hidden programms slows pc [14:16] session saving just saves all open programs on logout [14:17] if you had 'hidden' programs running they might be restarted as well === Marty is now known as Guest15320 [14:38] Hello there, can anyone help me. I'm having trouble getting my sound to work. I recently installeb Xubuntu 9 Jackalope on my old iBook G3 (PPC) [15:06] !sound [15:06] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [15:06] * Pres-Gas points Guest15320 to the links from ubottu. === MTec007_ is now known as MTec007 === illusha is now known as illu45 [17:08] hi all, how can i recover the 'standard ubuntu applications menu'? [17:08] for some reason it disapeared after upgrading [19:33] hi, i have a low end system, is xubuntu really better for that? [19:33] Depends, compared to what and how low-end :P [19:34] very low end [19:34] ancient [19:34] 192Mb ram is the worst stat :( [19:34] Oh, I've heard worse :P [19:34] hm [19:34] But it won't really be pleasant, I think [19:34] i think thats enough for Xubuntu ;) [19:34] is there something that will run better? all i want is to surf the web [19:35] If you shutdown update-notifier, and hardware-drivers notifier, too [19:35] sinelaw: surely openbox on arch will run better, but it'll also be much harder to setup ;) [19:35] There's Puppy Linux, Damn Small Linux, Elive, and many more [19:35] Not that easy to use but for just browsing it should be fine [19:36] ah great, but too many options is also bad [19:37] That's why you should stick with *our* option xD [19:37] hi [19:38] SiDi, i want to, but i also want the system to be usable [19:38] how does lts work? will i get latest software or just security updates? [19:38] Wizard, just security updates [19:38] sinelaw: its usable with 192 afaik [19:38] ah, i understand [19:38] SiDi, the xubuntu web page doesn't even mention that it's supposed to be ligher than ubuntu [19:39] is that at all a goal? [19:39] sinelaw: just remove stuff you don't need on startup if you want to get a little more RAM. As for the web browser i recommand Opera... [19:39] sinelaw: ah, thats weird to hear :P the goal is OF COURSE to be lighter :) [19:39] knome will make us a new website in the next 2 days anyways... [19:39] * SiDi hides. [19:40] *One of* the goals is to be high-performant [19:40] yeah it's weird - doesn't mention even what the diference is w.r. to Ubuntu [19:40] (sinelaw, about Opera, i warn you that it's proprietary ! but it uses less ram than ff/midori, afaik) [19:40] It's not supposed to be "a light-weight version of Ubuntu" [19:40] the difference is xfce instead of gnome [19:40] SiDi, Opera uses Qt [19:40] that's the whole difference? [19:40] No [19:40] vinnl: aw. well thats a shame cause their engine is lighter [19:40] Also a different package selection and mentality in general :) [19:41] hmm [19:41] SiDi, last time I checked WebKit was really light, which is what Midori uses (though Midori is quite unstable) [19:41] And Gecko has made lots of improvement as well, I'm eagerly awaiting Firefox 3.5 ;-) [19:41] vinnl: i tested the RAM used by ff 3.0, ff 3.6 and midori 1.1.6 about a week ago [19:41] midori was worse than 3.0 :X [19:41] 0.o [19:41] and 3.6 was better than 3.0 :P [19:42] With only gmail opened, ff 3.0 was ~90, midori ~110, ff 3.6 ~80 [19:42] I've been shocked too. [19:42] I don't use swap at all, btw ! [19:42] How did you test it? [19:42] well, gnome-system-monitor xD [19:43] (Unfortunately Midori crashes for me so I can't reproduce) [19:43] I wasnt gonna run it in valgrind and read 3000 lines of logs just to test :p [19:43] SiDi, which value did you check? You're supposed to be looking at "Writable Memory" IIRC [19:44] i can check again [19:44] i'll have to kill irc tho [19:44] its in firefox xD [19:44] i have to say thank you for being the most usable main stream window manager in jaunty [19:44] Haha xD [19:45] btw, does it make sense for a motherboard to accept max. 192mb? or is that rare [19:45] pteague: thats because xfwm is pawnage ! [19:45] pteague, heh, there aren't many Xfce developers here I think ;-) [19:45] (i would expect 256...) [19:45] sinelaw: its probably 128+64 [19:45] the RAM was very expensive at this time [19:45] yes i remember [19:45] and usually when you were upgrading you weren't buying a new 128MB card [19:46] i remember when we had a 486DX2 with...wait for it....16 mb of ram! that was insane back then [19:46] "oh look, kde4 does shadows..." "oh look, clear vista like title bars" "oh, it has a nifty mac like thingy" [19:46] xD [19:46] lol [19:47] sinelaw: :) i still got a 256 MB ram machine around, i guess i'll use it for some testing purpose [19:47] and /me still uses dwm at work [19:47] :P [19:47] Cause my machine here runs with 4GB of ram, but with xubuntu of course \o/ [19:47] what i like about this channel... you don't have "users" [19:47] like #ubuntu [19:48] buehehe [19:48] :P [19:48] sinelaw: like 'help! internets iz br0ken!' [19:48] yeah... [19:48] ok [19:48] so.. [19:48] vinnl: 105,5MB average writable mem for midori [19:48] intel e6750 dual core, 4gb ram, nvidia 9600gt ... i'm only having problems with running eve-online & i'm hoping that last wine update will fix it [19:48] gonna kill ff and start it in gmail to check, see you :P [19:48] help! my powerbook does not wake from suspend [19:48] (and i forgot how to fix it) [19:48] :P [19:49] isn't pushing the power button supposed to bring it back? [19:51] vinnl: firefox is the winner [19:51] 0.o [19:51] ff 3.0 80MB, and 80.6 for ff 3.6 [19:51] with of course all the numerous plugins loaded [19:52] But hey, it's not exactly scientific, so it might be your setup :P [19:52] might be but still :) [19:52] that proves wrong people who claim gecko sucks ! [19:52] Yeah it's a bit of a shocker [19:52] i think they took the advantage with ff 3.0.1 [19:52] (or is it 3.1 ?) [19:53] gmail is responsible of a good 40 MBs of ram usage btw [19:53] its an heavy page :p [19:53] but typically, i'm on gmail/mibbit/another site when i browse, so thats a good use case for me [19:53] Yeah Gmail will definitely perform a lot better in Firefox 3.5 because of the improved Javascript performance [19:54] i can test with a foo.html basic page if you want :p [19:54] but i gotta kill irc again :x [19:54] No don't bother :P [19:55] SiDi, did you try "basic html" on gmail? [19:55] and why don't you use xchat or something... [19:55] no sorry :p [19:55] i believe ff would be around 30 MB with just a basic html page in one tab + swap [19:55] sinelaw: i'm behind a firewall, i need port 80 [19:56] and i cant find a freenode serv with port 80 [19:56] SiDi, there's also Chatzilla :) [19:56] ah ok [19:56] vinnl: it sucks compared to mibbit, imo :P [19:57] and it doesnt solve the ff dependency ^^ [19:57] Sure :) [19:57] i got a box i can ssh into and irssi with [19:57] but mibbit has much more features :P [19:57] and the box is a P II, it lags [19:58] can i upgrade from ubuntu 8.0.1 to xubuntu 9.0.4? [19:58] sinelaw, you mean 8.04.1? [19:59] You can first upgrade to 8.10 and then to 9.04, and then convert it to a Xubuntu installation, but doing a fresh install is probably easier, especially if you installed your home directory on a separate partition [20:00] ah forget it, it's xububntu 8.0.4 [20:01] ssh tunnel proxy ftw [20:02] oops, i forgot my username/password on that machine, i guess it's a fresh install then [20:03] sinelaw: congrats ;) [20:11] oh now, neighbor is doing karaoke.... oh the pain [20:12] oh *no [20:12] xD [20:12] mine would better not tonight ! [20:13] I wish I found a room, wouldn't mind a karaoke now and then :P [20:23] hehe [20:24] does anybody know svn for xfce? [20:24] http://svn.xfce.org/? :P [20:25] /trunk? :P [20:25] Wizard, http://www.xfce.org/download/development [20:25] any xfce dev here? :P [20:26] You'll want to check the mailinglists for that, or perhaps #xfce [20:28] xfce's site isnt up-to-date :D [20:29] Why not? Jerome has been updating it all over with the release of 4.6 [20:29] the url above [20:30] it says latest stable 4.4 [20:30] and latest devel 4.5 [20:30] SiDi, have you pressed Ctrl+Shift+R [20:30] Oh wait, perhaps the mirror in your area hasn't been updated yet... Which would be worrisome [20:31] ah yeh [20:31] french mirror it was ! [20:32] :S Might want to mention that somewhere [20:49] is there a setting buried somewhere that will force a UID/GID when an external hard drive is mounted? [20:51] Hi folks, the control-panels (Application bar) has disappeared. Two things I have done new and or different are get Wicd (wifi) working and play with the Fn buttons to suspend the laptop. How do I get the menus/application bars back? [20:52] the whole panels ? [20:52] "xfce4-panel &" in a terminal [20:53] vinnl: i got the svn version of translations, i'll update it in a few days :p [20:54] SiDi, ah, you wanted to do translations... There's a special script for that [20:55] SiDi ty, yes the whole panel, [20:56] Drew3, Alt+F2, run "xfce4-panel" [20:56] vinnl: for the website part i meant [20:56] vinnl: that was my next question, ty [20:56] :-) [20:57] i'll probably work on translations/doc in the future, but not now, got enough work [20:57] Heh, well if you do that be sure to check http://i18n.xfce.org/ :) [21:04] Ty again it worked. [21:05] ^.^ [21:07] My laptop is a 10yr old Thinkpad, I tried LXDE, but the wifi wouldn't work, has anyone seen or heard of that happening? Lxde (desktop) probably will not be something I need whe I get more than the 192 ram but I was curious if it was a common issue when changing desktops? [21:07] I will get an additional 512 of ram this week. [21:11] You know, we're using XFCE, not LXDE. [21:16] A philosophical question, at when point does Xubuntu no longer be Xubuntu, is it when you try Lxde? Sure, and I'll probably stop even trying using lxde-in xubuntu when the ram gets here. [21:17] When you install everything Xubuntu :P [21:17] *uninstall [21:17] :-) [21:18] I always screw up a punch line, too. vinnl :-) [21:18] Hehe :P === [o_O] is now known as danopia [21:41] hi guys [21:42] Drew3: maybe networkmanager isn't running [21:42] this is probably what you're using to manage your wifi connections [21:42] !hi | Wunderkind [21:42] Wunderkind: Hi! Welcome to #xubuntu! [21:44] hallo, how do i delete an erroneous xubuntu session? [21:47] I think you'll have to delete the contents of the ~/.cache/sessions directory, according to http://wiki.xfce.org/faq?s[]=session#session_manager [21:50] Anyway, I'm off to bed, good luck :) [22:32] where can I find a list of the min/recommended requirements for Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu ? [22:36] hi can anyone tell me if 256Mb Ram is enough to run xubuntu? [22:37] and only 1.2Mhz processor [22:37] Name141, http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/ this may help [22:37] with normal ubuntu I have problems [22:38] or you can try this http://www.easy-ubuntu-linux.com/ubuntu-system-requirements.html [22:41] ok good. Another question: does it include network manager like in Ubuntu? It's the only way I can get online with mobile internet [22:42] it has an applet which can connect you [22:43] thanks. Only I tried with Sabayon and Dreamlinux and they can't connect with the wi-ci manager [22:43] gravityreloaded, it's the same network manager applet. with 256 memory, you can run xubuntu, but it might be a bit slow. should be faster than ubuntu, though. [22:44] ubuntu freezes on the referred laptop - reqs are 360Mb, right? [22:44] I belive it is knome [22:44] kennyjb402, i believe it is as well, but i don't have any own experience, i've only heard this from others. [22:45] I see :) [22:45] nice [22:45] gravityreloaded, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements [22:45] I'll give it a try [22:45] working pretty good for me so far [22:45] y I have jaunty 9.04 Ubuntu on my PC [22:45] working great [22:46] just haven't yet tried xubuntu [22:46] cool :) [22:46] I just managed two screens :-8 [22:46] but 2nd screen does't accept windows [22:46] It's just destop and menu [22:47] * knome runs xubuntu on two screens with no problems [22:47] y but I have 2nd screen @ 640x480 [22:47] http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_afk-Egip2qY/Sgb63ZGYnxI/AAAAAAAABnQ/hbWYjXYFWn0/s1600-h/idiot.jpg [22:47] and 1st at 1280x960 [22:47] that's not easy [22:47] even Windows has a few objections [22:47] i suppose that is not a blocker, but can be a bit nasty, yeah. [22:48] I find it strange that I can't drag across to other screent though [22:48] Compiz bug I suppose :p [22:48] It just goes to other face [22:48] compiz is booo :P [22:49] I like it [22:49] i like a plain clean desktop. i don't even run the xfce compositor. [22:49] I just installed it, I like it too [22:50] It's gr8 to have different work areas available so easily [22:50] and nice looking as well [22:50] but is a memory hogger [22:50] hah [22:50] might be a bit with 256 RAM at least [22:50] on my system I have 1Gb [22:50] more than enough [22:51] with a 2.66 processor [22:51] and 256Mb graphics hehe [22:51] the referred 256Ram was my mum's laptop [22:51] :p [22:52] with windows it takes 5-6 minutes just to start up [22:52] loil [22:52] lol