[12:06]  * MacSlow -> lunch
[12:11] <seele> are features such as display time and display position in the spec or is that controlled by the display function?
[13:16] <agateau> seele: the galago spec let an application specifies a timeout, but no positioning
[14:06] <seele> agateau: thanks for your response on the ml
[14:07] <agateau> seele: you're welcome
[18:09] <mahfouz> what is this # about?
[18:10] <mahfouz> somebody referred me here but i cant see any buddhism
[18:10] <mahfouz> yet
[18:10] <SiDi> mahfouz: this channel is about... kittens !
[18:10] <SiDi> (It's the new channel of the Ubuntu Desktop Experience team, afaik)
[18:11] <mahfouz> but it says "bug hunt"
[18:11] <SiDi> yeh, cause bugs annoy kittens. :[
[18:11] <SiDi> I think the topic is not very up-to-date, but its not really important imo :P
[18:11] <mahfouz> so what is important?
[18:12] <artir> the way your perceive information
[18:12] <artir> such as a kitten is running towards you
[18:12] <mahfouz> is this a zeitgeist clone?
[18:13] <artir> or a friend has sent you a message saying "i like catz"
[18:13] <artir> mahfouz: no
[18:13] <artir> mahfouz: zeitgeist deals with browsing information in time instead of in a hierarchy
[18:13] <mahfouz> you should clone the kittens into penguins
[18:13] <doctormo> artir: that's not right, it should be "i luz catz"
[18:13] <artir> mahfouz: ayatana is a broader project and sponsored by Canonical 
[18:14] <SiDi> mahfouz: penguins lack the typical sexiness of kittens
[18:14] <artir> Catz says: All your base are belong to us
[18:14] <mahfouz> so the new ubuntu theme will have catz
[18:14] <SiDi> and all your milk !
[18:14] <artir> tes
[18:14] <SiDi> mahfouz: exactly, but its still a secret
[18:14] <artir> don't tell anyone, rught?
[18:14] <artir> *right
[18:14] <mahfouz> tell me the secret
[18:14] <SiDi> and the notifications mewed by kittens in 9.10
[18:14] <artir> mahfouz: you need to torture mark shuttleworth to get it
[18:14] <artir> XD
[18:15] <mahfouz> one his blog?
[18:15] <SiDi> you cant torture his blog
[18:15] <mahfouz> I want to see the new theme, that's why I'm really here
[18:15] <SiDi> you have to torture himself !
[18:15] <SiDi> mahfouz: come at the Ubuntu Developer Summit then ;)
[18:15] <mahfouz> i wont be in barcelona, so i cannot
[18:15] <artir> sidi: I have slaves that will go for me mwahahaha
[18:15] <SiDi> get an internet connection and follow it via icecast.ubuntu.com
[18:15] <artir> sidi: hidden cameras ftw just in case
[18:15] <mahfouz> i was in barcelona 3 weeks ago, i know a nice place to stay if you still need it
[18:16] <SiDi> artir: heh :D i'm ok to be your slave if its all paid :O
[18:16] <SiDi> mahfouz: i know a wonderful bar with delicious patitas de calamar there :p that fits my needs :p
[18:16] <artir> sidi: XD, I already have an slave that lives near barcelona
[18:16] <artir> Good Food:
[18:16] <mahfouz> so what about the rumour that there wont be a new theme for karmic?
[18:16] <artir> 1.- Paella and Iberian rice
[18:16] <artir> 2.- Pan amb tomaquets(and maybe serrano ham too)
[18:17] <SiDi> mahfouz: ask Mark Shuttleworth ^^
[18:17] <artir> 3.- Spanish omelette
[18:17] <SiDi> artir: yar, serrano :p
[18:17] <mahfouz> he does not reply
[18:17]  * SiDi is shocked by the popularity of the tortilla :P
[18:17] <artir> sidi: i live in spain and i have the fridge full of it
[18:17] <artir> mwahahahaha
[18:17] <artir> we have an entire pig leg converted into ham here
[18:17] <SiDi> heh
[18:17] <SiDi> finished mine today :p
[18:18] <SiDi> Was in St Feliu de Guixols, between Gerona and Barcelona this week-end
[18:18] <SiDi> ended up cutting wood in the mountain instead of working my exams x_x
[18:18] <artir> Best way to have serrano: Get a bread(ciabbatta or similar), put inside cheese and serrano ham, to the oven 30 minutes, 180 degress, get out, put some tomato, olive oil and eat
[18:18] <mahfouz> ok, so let's put butter to the kittens
[18:18] <SiDi> mahfouz: what the hell ! raping forbidden, you're warned
[18:18] <mahfouz> will the new ubuntu theme still have the windows window border
[18:19] <mahfouz> i mean the _,box,x
[18:19] <mahfouz> is this still fashionable
[18:19] <mahfouz> you know what I mean
[18:19]  * SiDi doesnt.
[18:19] <mahfouz> I think many people will reject a theme just for that
[18:19] <artir> mahfouz: what's wrong with - box x?
[18:19] <mahfouz> they want to see something else
[18:20] <mahfouz> it's worn out
[18:20] <artir> mahfouz: it's better than mac's one at least
[18:20] <mahfouz> most people would prefer mac's red lights
[18:20] <mahfouz> this is the first thing that sticks when you see a new theme
[18:21] <mahfouz> so imho it's important
[18:21] <mahfouz> and it's what you see whenever you close a window
[18:24] <SiDi> honnestly, if they ship ubuntu with a mac-like theme, i'll find myself another distro ! (xubuntu for instance :])
[18:24] <artir> mahfouz: they have rooms full of slaves, working 25/7 (yes, 25) on it
[18:24] <ryanprior> Mac's theme is iconic, it wouldn't do us any good to mimic it.
[18:24] <artir> mahfouz: it'll be great
[18:24] <mahfouz> they cannot really do mac because that would make them look like idiots
[18:24] <artir> anyone here is from canonical?
[18:24] <mahfouz> but something different from the old stuff
[18:25] <mahfouz> aha, so you guys are just trolls like me?
[18:25] <mahfouz> nobody here from the team?
[18:25] <artir> i'm not a troll
[18:26] <artir> troll= user that you don't want to have in a chat
[18:26] <SiDi> in fact, kittens want artir !
[18:26] <mahfouz> trolling is an art form
[18:26] <mahfouz> a good troll is not easy
[18:26] <mahfouz> has to be learned
[18:27] <SiDi> hi !
[18:27] <ryanprior> For example, mahfouz is trolling very badly right now.
[18:27] <mahfouz> artir: so how do you know the theme will be great
[18:27] <mahfouz> ryanprior: thx, it's an honor
[18:27] <artir> artir: i have faith in canonical
[18:27] <SiDi> artir is a spy from microsoft, watching progress made by caninocal </troll>
[18:28] <mahfouz> artir: but they promised a new theme since 7.10
[18:28] <artir> artir: when i've said ubuntuX+1 will be great in countless times, i've always been right from my point of view
[18:28] <artir> no
[18:28] <mahfouz> and it never happened
[18:28] <artir> from 6.10
[18:28] <mrooney> SiDi: good morning! (well, for me anyway :)
[18:28] <artir> but this time they have promised to show some at the UDS
[18:28] <SiDi> mrooney: just finished dinner here :> we're so *not* synced :p
[18:28] <mrooney> haha
[18:28] <mahfouz> artir: they retracted their promise
[18:29] <mahfouz> check the thread
[18:29] <artir> which one?
[18:30] <artir> SiDi: OMG, you have discovered me!
[18:30]  * artir throws SiDi a 200 kg EULA
[18:31] <ryanprior> Also, in his Ubuntu Open Week discussion, SABDFL said that work on the new theme probably won't be visible until 10.04 at the earliest.
[18:31]  * SiDi gives the EULA to an almighty FSF kitten which tears it in pieces.
[18:32] <SiDi> He said it won't be complete afaik
[18:32] <artir> but he said that we will get a sneek peek
[18:32] <mahfouz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1140246
[18:33] <mahfouz> not complete means no sandwich
[18:34] <artir> Come to UDS for a preview of the whole new look.
[18:34] <artir> that is
[18:34] <artir> i'm pretty darn confident we'll have a new look for 10.04 but i think only pieces of that will emerge for 9.10
[18:35] <ryanprior> The ridiculous thing is, in the time since 7.10 when we were first supposed to get the new theme, lots of people have made new themes. It can be done and has been done, by artists in their spare time. Until Canonical comes forth and shows everybody what they're cooking, it's all just more smoke.
[18:35] <mahfouz> kittens will starve until 10.04
[18:36] <artir> they have done something they didn't do before: to say they have something and that they will show it
[18:36] <mahfouz> but after retracting, do they even show anything at UDS
[18:36] <mahfouz> nobody know atm
[18:36] <ryanprior> We'll see soon enough whether they've really got anything to show. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, that they just want to make an Apple-like theatrical release.
[18:37] <mahfouz> it would be silly to make a theatrical release if it's not in karmic
[18:38] <artir> maybe mark shuttleworth does a keynote
[18:38] <artir> and reveals what is to come
[18:38] <artir> (Steve J. style)
[18:38] <ryanprior> Right, it better be something of that magnitude.
[18:38] <GreySim_> He should come onto stage wearing a black turtleneck.
[18:39] <mahfouz> it would probably be more like a mourning dress than a turtleneck
[18:41] <artir> or a space suit
[18:42] <mahfouz> if there is no new theme in karmic then space is the only safe place left
[18:42] <SiDi> mrooney: got my answer on the bug report for column colors ? :p
[18:45] <SiDi> ah yeh, you got it