[00:00] DanielRM: what architecture are you on? [00:00] i686 [00:00] trouble is that i'm running karmic in a vmware box [00:00] To packages.ubuntu.com! [00:00] or launchpad [00:00] pace_t_zulu: ah. [00:01] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.2.12-0ubuntu2 [00:01] so grub isn't very visible [00:01] BUGabundo1: do you know how to grab GRUB on a VMware install? [00:01] nope [00:02] BUGabundo1: erk, my shower comment sounds a bit dodgy actually. What I meant was I just got back from the shower only to hear the squeal of my laptop shutdown as I entered my room, forcing the reboot I'd been avoiding. [00:03] DanielRM: ahh???? [00:03] ? [00:04] Back to 1.2.12, then. [00:05] http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dbus/dbus_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [00:06] maxb: any idea on the ETA for the HAL fix? [00:06] it's being uploaded now [00:06] Probably take a while to build though [00:06] Might as well roll back to dbus 1.2.12-0ubuntu2 for now [00:07] Dear lazyweb, ext4 partitions can be mounted as ext3, correct? [00:07] maxb: with 'dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*dbus*_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_*.deb' ? [00:07] Well, not so much lazy as 'stuck with Hardy's Firefox running off an unbearably slow USB stick'. [00:08] Bugger. [00:08] extents [00:09] will that dpkg -i command inhibit a 'safe-upgrade' when the HAL fix is built? [00:10] * maxb has no idea what a 'safe-upgrade' is, but probably not [00:10] maxb: aptitude command, superseded ordinary upgrade. [00:10] maxb: it upgrades without removing packages. [00:10] * maxb tends to use apt-get, or aptitude interactive [00:11] can someone provide a link to the working i386 dbus package? [00:11] I love aptitude, but I hate the ncurses interface. I just use it in place of apt-get for most things. [00:11] that i can use 'wget' with? [00:11] pace_t_zulu: http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dbus/dbus_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [00:11] DanielRM: thank you [00:11] pace_t_zulu: I did paste it earlier. :P [00:11] I LIKE the ncurses interface. [00:11] DanielRM: sorry, didn't notice [00:11] DanaG: oh? [00:12] That link is not sufficient [00:12] so with that dbus package installed i should be able to safely restart? [00:12] maxb: why not? [00:12] maxb: go on... [00:12] You must also downgrade libdbus [00:13] libdbus-1-3, that is [00:14] http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dbus/libdbus-1-3_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [00:14] probably wouldn't hurt to keep the dbus-x11 version in sync either [00:14] But unless you've been over-aggressively cleaning your apt cache, dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*dbus*_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_*.deb should do [00:14] darn! just installed the updates! [00:14] everyone here should know by now, I rather let UM take care of upgrades during devel cycles [00:14] hggdh: ehe [00:14] http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dbus/dbus-x11_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [00:15] I like to wait a bit... and read changelogs... and IRC. [00:15] DanaG: I usually trust apt-changelog or whatever it's called. [00:16] Anyway, back in a bit. Now to get out of USB Hardy into my nice HDD Karmic. [00:16] apt-listchanges [00:16] a vital tool [00:16] maxb: that's the one. [00:17] hmm fuck [00:17] dbus was just fixed etc, but [00:17] still having sound issues :( [00:17] apparantly unrelated [00:17] so now i should be able to reboot with dbus ubuntu2 ? [00:17] dazjorz: does alsamixer work for you? [00:18] !language | dazjorz [00:18] dazjorz: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [00:18] dazjorz: I noticed that that broke when I booted back up into the broken install. [00:18] sorry BUGabundo1 [00:18] DanielRM: I have had this install running for the whole day, sound started breaking since I upgraded [00:18] was able to fix it now and then by using esd, for example [00:18] DanielRM: alsamixer works as much as giving me some sliders for pulseaudio [00:18] In what way did it break? [00:19] in this way: [00:19] E: module-alsa-card.c: Card '0' doesn't exist: No such file or directory [00:19] E: module.c: Failed to load module "module-alsa-card" (argument: "device_id=0 name=pci_10de_371_sound_card_0 card_name=alsa_card.pci_10de_371_sound_card_0 tsched=0"): initialization failed. [00:19] (when I start pulseaudio manually, that is) [00:19] Not at all similar to my sound problems then. :( [00:19] restarting ALSA, then restarting pulseaudio, gives the same errors [00:19] DanielRM: I'm having different sound problems too: crackling sounds when pulseaudio was still working, earlier today [00:20] Although mine only occasionally breaks. my mpd install is thus not entirely useless. [00:20] weird thing is: when I selected esd and such things in KDE System Settings, the same audio device worked brilliantly [00:20] (just not through pulseaudio) [00:21] I've also decided not to run +1 as main this time, at least during this quarter. [00:21] * DanaG hits the sleep button, and thinks freenode will probably wait 15 minutes to time him out. [00:21] I felt that Hardy and Intrepid were much more stable as development releases to be honest, although Nvidia repeatedly broke X during Intrepid. [00:21] now. [00:22] Heh, I like that quite message. [00:22] quit* [00:22] Anyway, back in a bit. [00:23] $ alsactl init [00:23] alsactl: init:1708: No soundcards found... [00:25] hum. Hal seems to be hosed also [00:25] oldnews :-) [00:26] already fixed, hggdh [00:26] just wait for the new dbus packages, it's supposed to be fixed [00:27] buildds are quite backlogged, though, verify whether the build has happened for your architecture here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/1.2.14-2ubuntu5 [00:28] * dazjorz built his own package in half a minute [00:28] (amd64) [00:29] errkkkk look at the time!! kklimonda I'm dead meat [00:29] :} [00:30] Huzzah! [00:31] It is so nice being back in this install. [00:33] Now to hold the dbus packages. [00:34] * maxb hugs aptitude, and its 'forbid version' feature [00:34] I don't understand it. :( [00:36] What, aptitude? [00:36] Hmmm, forgot to downgrade libdbus-1-dev too. [00:36] * BUGabundo1 smells irony [00:36] http://ge.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dbus/libdbus-1-dev_1.2.12-0ubuntu2_i386.deb [00:37] Takes some learning, but it's an invaluable tool for navigating the dangerous waters of a development release [00:37] maxb: no, how to use the forbid version feature. I've never really had a deeper look into aptitude than the manpage. [00:37] maxb: I use aptitude itself and like it. [00:38] 'F' [00:38] As in grade? :( [00:38] As in keypress :-) [00:39] It's like a hold, but it automatically goes away once a newer version arrives [00:39] Ah. [00:39] night [00:40] ah, finally, the amd64 kernel build has finished, maybe now the buildds will chew through the queue a bit [00:40] And I would appear to have crippled my broadband connection at some point. [00:42] Ah, it's just another command. [00:42] maxb: thanks for that. I can use that one in future. :) [00:42] Serves me right for not reading more thoroughly. [00:43] well, I am building the new dbus locally... [00:45] Hah, looking at the changelog for -ubuntu5: [00:45] debian/patches/50-timeout-11_tests.patch: Remove the bit about .gitignore. My life would be so much easier if the bzr developers were killed in a freak unit testing accident [00:47] heh [00:49] so -ubuntu5 is supposed to solve the issues then? (still holding off both reboot and updates '_' ) [00:51] yeeeee! It worked! (2ubuntu5) [00:51] hggdh: what did you use to install? Checkinstall or did you make the package yourself? [00:53] DanielRM, I downloaded the sources (amd64 is still to be built), changed the version so that it would build nicely, and debuild -b [00:53] then dpkg -i all of them [00:53] Ah. [00:54] but, at least I can confirm it seems to be working (hal does restart, and all pending configurations succeeded on a 'apt-get -f install' (xorg* failed to configure) === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:26] gr... stupid Bullets and Numbering toolbar keeps stealing my focus in openoffice. === DanielRM is now known as DanielRM^2 === DanielRM^2 is now known as DanielRM [03:19] finally -ubuntu5 available, means I dare shut down the 'puter tonight... [04:13] where is the link for reporting a bug in 9.10? [04:14] launchpad.net [04:14] thanks [04:14] rski: otherwise, so far everything works === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh [04:37] bug 375253 [04:37] Launchpad bug 375253 in nautilus "Nautilus crashes after i click on the Computer icon from the Palces Menu in Ubuntu 9.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375253 [04:56] hey guys [04:56] has the dbus problem been fixed in karmic [04:56] ? [04:58] anyone here? [04:59] yeah it is fixed [05:05] * rski dosen't dare to reboot [05:06] Sarvatt: thank you [05:11] i like the new battery icon in karmic [05:12] I rebooted, and it is working [05:13] hggdh: like the new battery icon? [06:05] heh, when my USB sound card wakes up to play something, it makes a rather quite horrible noise. [09:45] i wonder what the chances of getting aptitude 0.5 into karmic are [09:46] there is 1 particular bug which is fixed in the 0.5 chain which interests me: locking packages. somewhat useful right now since i dont want to upgrade libdbus-1-3 atm [10:13] so 2 days until Alpha 1 :D [10:14] any new features? [10:15] I was wondering if anyone could help me out - I made a spare install of Jaunty on my computer to play around with Karmic, and follow along with the progress. How can I upgrade my Jaunty to Karmic? I know there's some kind of command as I did the same for Jaunty... [10:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:16] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:17] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:17] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:17] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] please go on that link: [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] http://www.schwimmbadspiel.de/?refId=99828434 [10:42] fail. [10:43] wtf. :o [10:44] they probably want to put stuff in the irc logs [10:48] should take a while for him to get thru that. [10:51] there he goes to #openmoko [10:53] dns53: and to #macosx ... [11:13] Hi how can I stream media to my Xbox 360? [11:14] there are a few servers, search for upnp [11:15] thanks [11:16] Will this let me serve from my Ubuntu desktop or are these stand alone boxes? [11:19] wrong channel? [11:20] -> #ubuntu ? [11:23] TheInfinity: Is this a joke? [11:23] no? this is karmic koala channel which is pre alpha [11:24] I'm banned in #ubuntu [11:25] then ask ops for deban you [11:26] I asked and they won't unfortunately [11:26] it seems I made a bad joke that wasn't too their liking [11:26] might have a reason? ;) [11:26] You see sooner or later Ubuntu is going to get to 'M' for versioning, so they need a name [11:26] ;) [11:28] hmm. in german ubuntu channels bad jokes would not be a reason for permanent bans, just for temporary ones ... [11:28] I should learn German then :P [11:28] english ubuntu channels seems to have strange ops. ;) [11:28] -s [11:29] I suggested they call Ubuntu "Masturbating Monkey [11:29] " when they get to M [11:29] in honour of Linus [11:29] That got me a ban [11:29] hmm. strange op-behaviour. [11:58] Bacta: please don't discuss your bans in here [11:58] Bacta: this channel is for karmic discussion only [12:10] maxb: or kklimonda are eiter of you two awake ? [12:39] is it safe to reboot now with the latest HAL? [12:39] noting is safe [12:39] nothing even [12:49] seems it is now [12:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/375006 [12:49] Ubuntu bug 375006 in hal "package hal 0.5.12~rc1+git20090510-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2" [Undecided,Fix released] === Oli```` is now known as Oli`` [14:04] ikonia: you called? :) [14:04] (I was awake but afk ;) ) [14:12] kklimonda: I did, have you still got your karmick setup going ? [14:14] ikonia: I have it in vm [14:14] well, I've just updated it and it's asking me for a restart [14:14] kklimonda: would you do a test for me ? I've got a test box here thats failing along with a jaunty box, but the initial feedback is "it's your hardware/config" [14:15] ikonia: hmm.. sure [14:15] kklimonda: if you're too busy - not a problem, you and maxb are the only ones I know with it running in here [14:16] kklimonda: basiclly create an ssh keypair and ssh to a machine, does gnome-keyring prompt you for a passpgrase through ssh-askpass, or does ssh ask you for a key phrase in the terminal you asked to ssh frmo [14:16] from [14:22] ikonia: hmm.. I get a prompt from gnome-keyring [14:22] so it works [14:23] really, how interesting [14:23] thank you [14:24] kklimonda: I don't suppose you have a jaunty box also ? [14:26] hmm.. it works - I have a sftp share in nautilus and when I connect it dialog pops out asking me for a key password.. [14:26] kklimonda: thanks, appreciated I can update the log [16:00] prboom in karmic is broken [16:00] write a bug report? [16:00] I'm sure many things in Karmic are broken. [16:01] this seems to be something trivial [16:01] the package itsef works fine and the game loads but starting a new game results in signal 5 [16:01] jaunty has the same game version but different package revision, something really minor changed in the build process [16:01] So? Just tell us instead of logging a bug? [16:02] not a slight interest I see [16:02] were interested in the specific error [16:03] or in a bug report [16:03] hifi: This channel isn't a replacement for logging bugs. [16:03] for christ sake, is it so bad I tell here before reporting it? [16:05] hifi: it's just that the easiest way of tracking bugs is by using LP - We'll probably forget about it in few hours or go to sleep. And then what? :) [16:05] no - but senseless - here it will reach nobody :) [16:05] wasn't the purpose of this channel to discuss about the next release? [16:06] hifi: sure - but it's still easier to discuss it when there is a bug report. [16:06] hifi: yea discuss - not log *g* [16:06] and btw can someone else confirm this on karmic, install prboom with the freedm data package [16:06] on i386 [16:08] hifi: it worked fine on amd64, I don't have i386 installation to test it [16:08] signal 8 was a floating point exception if I remember correctly [16:12] and bug #375498 is live [16:12] Launchpad bug 375498 in prboom "prboom exits with signal 8 on karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375498 [16:13] i can confirm signal 8 === lamalex is now known as OO7 === OO7 is now known as lamalex [16:54] Hi guys :D [16:55] How's everyone finding karmic so far? [16:55] buggy *scnr* [16:55] unstable [16:56] Why, what did you expect? [16:56] It is pre-alpha after all [16:56] davideotape: you know what "scnr" means? ;O) [16:57] not even close to pre alpha [16:57] I do know, after a quick google :D [16:57] *now [17:00] davideotape: i am enjoying karmic [17:00] Glad to hear it :D [17:00] davideotape: liking the new battery indicator... slick [17:00] I've only had one major breakage so far [17:00] davideotape: are you a developer? [17:01] davideotape: problem with HAL yesterday? [17:01] pace_t_zulu: no, just your common user [17:01] pace_t_zulu: You got it in one [17:01] pace_t_zulu: I just used netshell in recovery and sudo-apt get upgraded this morning to fix it [17:01] pace_t_zulu first time I've ever used recovery mode [17:02] davideotape: i am struggling to find blueprints for karmic [17:02] davideotape: i'd like to help more... in the meantime i will be limited to bug reporting and triaging [17:03] pace_t_zulu: Same. I joined jaunty at alpha 2 last release, and really enjoyed it, so thought I'd go right from the beginning this time. [17:04] davideotape: i've been running +1's for a few years now (on and off) [17:05] pace_t_zulu: What's the worst breakage you experienced? [17:06] davideotape: i'm ready to further cut my teeth with patches and hopefully soon with feature implementation, that's why i am searching for blueprints and technical overview (that is not comprised of jokes) [17:06] davideotape: back in the days of edgy and feisty X could be a real pain [17:07] davideotape: these days i run Ubuntu inside a virtual machine... so fails aren't quite as catastrophic [17:07] pace_t_zulu: I've only been on ubuntu since 7.10, so I haven't experienced anything really drastically bad [17:08] pace_t_zulu: And I've always had nvidia cards [17:08] davideotape: at one point i was foolish enough to run +1 on a work machine [17:08] davideotape: that was nasty [17:08] pace_t_zulu: Not a great idea :S [17:08] davideotape: brb [17:12] Heh, on this one +1 runs steady as a rock *hugs laptop* [17:12] ienorand: Don't count your chickens :P [17:12] hehe... [17:13] ienorand: Did you not get the hal problem yesterday? [17:14] nope, I did hold off the dbus upgrade to ubuntu3 though, but I'm not sure which specific version was causing it... [17:19] kernel boot line to disable gdm on boot? [17:21] hifi: remove quiet and splash lines [17:21] doesn't that only affect bootsplash? [17:22] hifi: you would have to boot system in rescue mode [17:22] hifi: oh sorry, yea... [17:23] booting the netinstall, runlevel change needed? [17:23] afair there is no runlevel that doesn't start gdm.. [17:23] wha [17:23] my X lockups on boot :p [17:23] well, 2,3,4 and 5 are the same [17:24] trying to get more to bug #336311 [17:24] Launchpad bug 336311 in xserver-xorg-video-savage "S3 ProSavageDDR K4M266 hard locks on X init when DRI is enabled" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/336311 [17:24] hifi: rescue mode and then choose root console with network.. [17:25] I completely forgot the rescue mode [18:41] znh: Can you try to stop your connection bouncing? [18:42] Today's changes to hal/udev-extras w.r.t. keymaps seem to have reverted me from gb to us keymap, does anyone know where the settings for that live now? [18:46] wow... Pici that sucks [18:46] pace_t_zulu: hm? [18:47] Pici: you were demoted [18:47] Pici: i see you promoted yourself [18:47] Pici: didn't realize you just promoted yourself to ban znh... thanks for doing that [18:47] pace_t_zulu: yep, np [19:15] bug 375253 [19:15] Launchpad bug 375253 in nautilus "Nautilus crashes after i click on the Computer icon from the Palces Menu in Ubuntu 9.10" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375253 === maco_ is now known as maco [20:08] hello does any one knows how i could add numbers to my ubuntu pad? [20:09] helpdesk_: This channel is only for the development release of Ubuntu, you probably want to ask in #ubuntu [20:15] ok thanks [20:50] !karmic [20:50] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - For more info see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000536.html === Sarvatt_ is now known as Sarvatt [21:06] guud evening [21:07] If anyone else is experiencing X keymap woes on Karmic, the temporary workaround seems to be to roll back the most recent hal update. [21:07] No idea what the long-term solution is, or if it's simply a matter of being in-transition. [21:22] hi BUGabundo [21:23] thiebaude: hey [21:24] thiebaude: btw, that issue with nautilus, I can confirm as well, if it is of any relevance... [21:26] ienorand: oh, ok, otherwise everything works great, im using thunar [21:27] BUGabundo: im ready for testing, this time im going to be real involved with the process,:) [21:28] ienorand: i wonder if its some modules not loading naultilus [21:28] brb [21:28] thiebaude: good.. I won't be here so much time as last release [21:28] I'm clueless really... [21:28] and I just got my membership... so cool [21:29] can't wait to get the cloak and access to ubuntuone [21:29] BUGabundo: Woo, congrats! [21:30] BUGabundo: congrats [21:30] I'm radiant [21:30] eheh [21:30] what is ubuntuone? [21:30] took me so long to get it [21:30] thiebaude: lp.net/ubuntuone [21:31] I *think* its something like Dropbox [21:31] oh, ok [21:32] This gives a very little information: https://ubuntuone.com/plans/ [21:32] BUGabundo: Glad you made it. [21:32] thanks charlie-tca! [21:32] hiho i tried to update my jaunty to karmic but I get an update-error, should i "nopaste" the log file so someone can look at it? [21:32] it was tuff there for a minute [21:32] Speaking of ubuntuone, read a comment on the u-m-n bugreport, ubuntuone puts an icon in the notification area :D [21:33] BUGabundo: Yeah, I was starting to have some doubts, myself. [21:33] ienorand: when you click on the trash icon in the lower pane, does it crash? [21:33] I think it's a old thing [21:34] or some thing recorrent on #-woman [21:34] lol [21:34] thiebaude: nope [21:34] have woman talk about me on my back... [21:34] ienorand: my bad , its fixed now [21:35] Just be nice now [21:35] haha [21:35] sounds like you are doing fine. [21:35] And you got approved! [21:36] FloSoft`: Paste the log and see if someone grabs the bait ;) [21:37] okay i'll try one more time then I'll give up ^^ [21:37] (and paste thel og) [21:38] aah okay i removed all of my locale (language-support-...) now it worked === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang