| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: good morning | 00:09 |
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| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: hi rick | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | robert_ancell: how was your weekend (and Monday)? | 00:10 |
| rickspencer3 | it's very confusing talking to you when it's tomorrow for you | 00:10 |
| robert_ancell | rickspencer3: hehe, Good weekend. I've been working on uploading new packages yesterday (very easy to make errors) | 00:11 |
| rickspencer3 | yes, packaging is a job for people with keen attention to detail, indeed | 00:11 |
| * dobey needs some packaging help | 00:28 | |
| dobey | whatever runs debian/rules has decided it hates me i think | 00:29 |
| maxb | :-) | 00:29 |
| ajmitch | dobey: what's breaking? | 00:29 |
| dobey | ajmitch: it's not running the dh_icons i told it to run | 00:30 |
| ajmitch | put your debian/rules on pastebin somewhere? | 00:30 |
| dobey | ajmitch: http://pastebin.com/dff8a672 | 00:31 |
| ajmitch | oh, a fun cdbs package :) | 00:31 |
| * ajmitch tries to remember the appropriate make syntax for what gets run first | 00:32 | |
| dobey | yeah | 00:32 |
| maxb | hmm | 00:33 |
| james_w | dobey: try binary-install/package-name:: | 00:33 |
| maxb | Isn't it supposed to be.... yes, that :-) | 00:33 |
| james_w | dh_icons -ppackage-name | 00:33 |
| dobey | james_w: package-name is literal? | 00:33 |
| dobey | james_w: the odd thing is that this used to work fine | 00:33 |
| james_w | dobey: no, the package name you want to run dh_icons for | 00:33 |
| james_w | welcome to CDBS :-) | 00:33 |
| dobey | and there's only one package | 00:34 |
| * dobey tries anyway | 00:35 | |
| james_w | common-binary-indep:: might work as well | 00:39 |
| james_w | or -arch if it's not arch independent | 00:39 |
| === hggdh_ is now known as hggdh | ||
| pitti | Good morning | 07:13 |
| ajmitch | hello pitti | 07:13 |
| didrocks | morning pitti & ajmitch | 07:22 |
| didrocks | pitti: using dh_pysupport -d as in old debian/rules instead of dh_pysupport -ppython-vte fix the FTBFS. BUT modules like vtemodule.so are installed in usr/lib/pyshared (like Debian) instead of usr/lib/py-support | 07:25 |
| didrocks | and doko is away these days... | 07:25 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, isn't pyshared/ the right location anyway? | 07:25 |
| didrocks | pitti: wondering, don't know the difference between pyshared and python-support | 07:26 |
| didrocks | in the old packages, it was python-support | 07:26 |
| pitti | didrocks: you are right, it needs to be python-support/ | 07:28 |
| didrocks | pitti: do you find any documentation on that? | 07:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: -d is deprecated | 07:29 |
| didrocks | pitti: yes, I saw taht | 07:29 |
| didrocks | that* | 07:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, hang on | 07:29 |
| pitti | *.so is in pyshared? | 07:29 |
| pitti | that's _wrong_ | 07:29 |
| didrocks | yes, that's it | 07:29 |
| pitti | *.so need to go itno /usr/lib/python2.X/{site,dist}-packages/ | 07:30 |
| pitti | they are version specific, not shared | 07:30 |
| didrocks | hum, in the previous revision, they were in:/usr/lib/python-support/python-vte/python2.5/ | 07:30 |
| didrocks | http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/i386/python-vte/filelist for instance | 07:31 |
| didrocks | so, they are versionned | 07:31 |
| didrocks | (and it's still the case in pyshared) | 07:31 |
| didrocks | usr/lib/pyshared/python2.5/ for instance | 07:31 |
| pitti | that's still wrong | 07:35 |
| pitti | well, it might work | 07:36 |
| pitti | but they should just be in the standard directory | 07:36 |
| didrocks | yes. I will ask to dktrkranz when he will be around | 07:40 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I retried the builds of gnome-games and glade-3, they failed due to pygtk arch mismatch; should be okay now | 08:02 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: ok, was going to look into that | 08:02 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: do you know about the translation imports, see bug 283183 - can I close invalid? | 08:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283183 in cheese "Translation template not imported, failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283183 | 08:03 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: I guess the Polish .po file is broken in some way | 08:04 |
| pitti | so the bug at least doesn't seem invalid | 08:04 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: there are many failures in translations.lp.net, e.g. gnome-games has 6. I'm so used to translations.lp.net complaining that I've just assumed it was broken :) | 08:06 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: yeah, I usually ignore them as well | 08:06 |
| pitti | ideally they'd be fixed upstream at some point, but it's too much for our limited capacity | 08:07 |
| pitti | so ignoring is just okay | 08:07 |
| pitti | if the language teams care about something particular, they should do that work | 08:07 |
| robert_ancell | hmm, I can't work out what is wrong with it so not sure how to flick upstream | 08:08 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: should I be a member of ~ubuntu-desktop in bzr? I want to create some bzr archives for packages | 08:09 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: just ignore it for now | 08:10 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: yes, you should be | 08:10 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: did you practice bzr maintained packages with Seb already | 08:10 |
| pitti | you know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr ? | 08:10 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: yes, we did it in London and I got to the last step in the Wiki page and aren't a member of the group | 08:11 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: wrong, you are | 08:11 |
| pitti | for about 20 seconds now :-) | 08:11 |
| robert_ancell | pitti: :P | 08:11 |
| seb128 | good morning everybody | 08:18 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 08:18 |
| seb128 | hello pitti, how are you? | 08:18 |
| pitti | seb128: bit stressed | 08:19 |
| seb128 | oh? | 08:19 |
| pitti | yesterday's upload broke karmic all over the place :( | 08:19 |
| pitti | and I'm on alpha-1 duty this week | 08:19 |
| seb128 | which upload? | 08:19 |
| pitti | seb128: how are you? | 08:19 |
| pitti | well, many :) | 08:19 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/karmic_probs.html | 08:19 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 08:19 |
| pitti | I sorted out gnome-games and glade-3 | 08:19 |
| pitti | no idea about ptlib etc. yet (ekiga) | 08:20 |
| seb128 | karmic_probs doesn't seem out of control | 08:20 |
| pitti | currently fighting with openoffice | 08:20 |
| seb128 | what was gnome-games and glade-3 due to? | 08:20 |
| pitti | seb128: no, but ubuntu-desktop is uninstallable | 08:20 |
| * ajmitch sees a lot of kde* | 08:20 | |
| crevette | pitti, I cannot boot anymore in karmic, due to hald / console-kit stuck, is it a know problem ? | 08:20 |
| pitti | seb128: that was just pygtk i386/amd64 desync, I gave them back | 08:20 |
| pitti | crevette: dist-upgrade | 08:20 |
| seb128 | ok, sorry about that | 08:20 |
| pitti | crevette: a newer dbus broke it, current d-bus should fix it | 08:20 |
| crevette | pitti, okay I update at the wrong moment so :) | 08:20 |
| pitti | seb128: no problem, that was easy, and happens all the time anyway | 08:20 |
| crevette | pitti, thanks a lot | 08:21 |
| seb128 | the alpha1 timing is not perfect | 08:21 |
| pitti | it's never perfect :) | 08:21 |
| pitti | it always comes in the middle of much activity | 08:21 |
| seb128 | if I block upload nows with allhand and uds coming I will get no GNOME work done for a month | 08:21 |
| pitti | seb128: no, don't block GNOME uploads | 08:21 |
| seb128 | ok thanks | 08:21 |
| pitti | we just need to ensure to handle FTBFSes | 08:21 |
| pitti | I'd just appreciate if someone coudl look what's wrong with ptlib? | 08:22 |
| pitti | oh, it's just the -dev | 08:22 |
| pitti | Riddell: while I'm working on the OO.o breakage, could you please have a look at the kde* uninstallability? | 08:22 |
| crevette | hey seb128 | 08:23 |
| crevette | and others | 08:24 |
| seb128 | lut crevette | 08:24 |
| pitti | seb128: seahorse-plugins wants to go to universe, is that ok? | 08:27 |
| seb128 | pitti: everything is ok but it used to be installed by default | 08:27 |
| pitti | seb128: wasn't that for the gnupg thing? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | it's doing gpg agent yes | 08:28 |
| seb128 | seahorse used to recommends it I think | 08:28 |
| seb128 | that has been changed by a suggest in debian though | 08:28 |
| pitti | hm, so we could sell it as "boot speed improvement" instead of "feature cut"? :-) | 08:28 |
| seb128 | I'm not clear of what we want | 08:28 |
| pitti | admittedly few users need a gpg agent, I figure | 08:28 |
| seb128 | it's not really taking boot time | 08:28 |
| pitti | it took about a second or so for me, AFAIR | 08:29 |
| seb128 | I've never been clear on what should be seeded as supported or what should go to universe | 08:29 |
| seb128 | so your call | 08:29 |
| pitti | and since it's an xsession.d/ script, it blocks everything, no? | 08:29 |
| pitti | seb128: let's keep it not installed by default and see who complains | 08:29 |
| pitti | ideally this ancient gpg agent activation socket would go away and be replaced with something d-bus activated | 08:30 |
| seb128 | ok | 08:30 |
| seb128 | still I'm interested by knowing if you have an opinion on supported against universe | 08:31 |
| seb128 | we have gftp for example that we could sync if it was in universe | 08:31 |
| pitti | seb128: 'supported against universe'? | 08:31 |
| pitti | seb128: I wouldn't mind having gftp in universe | 08:31 |
| pitti | nautilus can do ftp, that's about as much ftp as most people need, I figure | 08:32 |
| seb128 | pitti: right, "supported against universe", in "should seahorse-plugins go to universe or stay in main since that's a GNOME component and was installed by default" | 08:33 |
| pitti | seb128: you mean you would like to keep all gnome components in main? | 08:33 |
| * seb128 kicks hald which is sitting there for hours and not restarting and blocking upgrade | 08:33 | |
| pitti | seb128: you need the latest d-bus | 08:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: not especially, I'm not clear why we have this supported seed | 08:34 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 08:34 |
| pitti | a previous d-bus upload broke hal | 08:34 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 08:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: ie what should go to supported nowadays | 08:34 |
| pitti | seb128: packages in main get langpacks, etc. | 08:34 |
| pitti | but in general, "stuff that we want to support, but not install by default" | 08:34 |
| seb128 | ok, so is the seahorse gpg agent in this case? | 08:35 |
| pitti | I think so | 08:35 |
| didrocks | seb128: gnome-python-extras is ready. Do you want I open a bug for sponsoring (not sure if we want it in bzr too)? | 08:35 |
| pitti | gtfp rather not | 08:35 |
| pitti | gthumb, probably not, since we promote f-spot as default | 08:35 |
| pitti | it depends on which packages you guys can and want to maintain | 08:36 |
| seb128 | ok | 08:36 |
| pitti | s/you guys/we/, sorry | 08:36 |
| seb128 | well, easier to get things maintained in universe | 08:36 |
| * pitti has been known to do some gthumb uploads | 08:36 | |
| pitti | indeed | 08:36 |
| seb128 | ok that's not for today but I put that on my todolist, cleaning desktop packages in main that could go to universe | 08:37 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I don't understand the question, you want to stop using sponsoring bugs? what else do you suggest to track those? | 08:37 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds great | 08:38 |
| didrocks | seb128: no no, just if you want that I push this package in bzr (~ubuntu-desktop) too before opening the bug) | 08:39 |
| seb128 | didrocks: are we near of merging with debian? | 08:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes, it's merged. I have to work on ubuntu-desktop now and then reshape every packages to have on -dbg package by source | 08:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks: you can use your bzr or the team one, I don't really care either way, we can drop the bzr when we sync with debian later if we sync | 08:41 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, using team one for the moment | 08:42 |
| didrocks | seb128: will do it this morning (not now, a lot of work today :/) | 08:42 |
| asac | hi | 08:42 |
| seb128 | didrocks: ok, no hurry, good luck with work | 08:43 |
| seb128 | hey asac | 08:43 |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks, will try ^^ | 08:43 |
| didrocks | hi asac | 08:44 |
| pitti | seb128: do you think we should say "gnome 2.27.1" in the alpha-1 notes? | 08:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: we are close enough of it now to say it yes | 08:58 |
| seb128 | we did most of the revelant updates yesterday | 08:58 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: hey | 09:15 |
| robert_ancell | didrocks: hey2 | 09:15 |
| seb128 | hello robert_ancell, how are you? | 09:15 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: good. I was having trouble finding any gnome packages to update today! | 09:16 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: what was the plan with gdm? It's so different from the current version, are we going to update in Karmic? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: need to be discussed at uds again, I'm leaning toward updating now but it's not a good idea for several reasons | 09:19 |
| seb128 | the new gdm version is in the desktop team ppa | 09:19 |
| seb128 | as gdm-new | 09:20 |
| seb128 | the rational is that the old gdm works fine and the new one doesn't bring a lot | 09:20 |
| seb128 | but has not graphical configuration tool | 09:20 |
| seb128 | no graphical themes | 09:20 |
| pitti | the original plan was to land face-browser in karmic, together with the new gdm | 09:20 |
| pitti | to avoid changing UI twice | 09:20 |
| seb128 | that's not going to happen though | 09:20 |
| seb128 | and next cycle if that's a lts is not the right cycle either | 09:21 |
| seb128 | so I'm leaning toward going for it now | 09:21 |
| seb128 | though the upstream issues I listed are not solved but it seem they will not be soon | 09:21 |
| robert_ancell | are there any packages in need of updating? Or are we holding off until after the alpha | 09:22 |
| seb128 | the new gdm has better *kit integration, user switching, etc | 09:22 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: did you do the totem and totem-pl-parser 2.27 updates? | 09:23 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: hey :) | 09:23 |
| crevette | and I heard the gnome-power was no more per user but launched ah gdm start so power policy is run when no user is connected | 09:23 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I knew I forgot something... Will finish them tomorrow | 09:25 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: ok, you can also merge deskbar-applet on debian and update to 2.27.1 | 09:25 |
| robert_ancell | ok, will do | 09:26 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: and look to the gdl and anjuta update if you have interest in that | 09:26 |
| seb128 | huats does those usually but he's busy at the moment | 09:26 |
| robert_ancell | ok. I'm heading off now, any more requests? | 09:26 |
| seb128 | no, extra bug triage effort would be nice too ;-) | 09:26 |
| seb128 | and otherwise there is plenty of merges on merges.ubuntu.com if you look for something to do | 09:27 |
| huats | seb128: I can take a few stuffs too :) | 09:27 |
| robert_ancell | seb128: I hacked away at cheese triaging today | 09:27 |
| seb128 | but I think with those you should have enough to be busy | 09:27 |
| huats | it might be a good way to change my ideas :) | 09:27 |
| huats | hello btw seb128 and robert_ancell :) | 09:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: ah ok, I'm not subscribed to this one so I didn't notice, good ;-) | 09:27 |
| robert_ancell | hi huats | 09:27 |
| seb128 | lut huats | 09:27 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell: ok, so you have deskbar-applets, totem and totem-pl-parse to merge and update for tomorrow | 09:28 |
| robert_ancell | see you guys tomorrow | 09:28 |
| seb128 | have fun, see you tomorrow | 09:28 |
| seb128 | brb restart after karmic upgrade | 09:29 |
| asac | seb128_: upgraded today? | 09:54 |
| asac | worked fine? | 09:54 |
| seb128_ | asac: no, I did upgrade 2 weeks ago, I just did another dist-upgrade after 2 weeks not touching this box | 09:55 |
| seb128_ | I worked on my laptop previous week because I was in London | 09:55 |
| pitti | I dist-upgraded and rebooted, works fine except for OO.o installability | 09:55 |
| pitti | working on that | 09:55 |
| seb128_ | and yes current karmic works fine there | 09:55 |
| asac | heh | 09:55 |
| asac | my karmic upgrade wants to remove apache2 | 09:56 |
| asac | too bad | 09:56 |
| asac | is apache2 with apache2-mpm-prefork installable for anyone on karmic? | 09:58 |
| seb128_ | yes | 10:00 |
| seb128_ | it wants to remove apache2-mpm-worker though | 10:00 |
| asac | yeah thats expected i guess | 10:01 |
| asac | odd | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | what? | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker apache2 | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | what error do you get? | 10:01 |
| asac | that it installs for you and it wants to be removed here ;) | 10:01 |
| asac | no error | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | so? | 10:01 |
| asac | just that dist-upgrade to karmic wants to remove apache here | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | you probably have something else installed which requires that | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | sudo aptitude dist-upgrade | 10:01 |
| seb128_ | and look at the reason | 10:01 |
| asac | hmm ... aptitude doesnt want to remove it | 10:03 |
| seb128_ | does it put something else on hold or remove something else? | 10:04 |
| asac | oh libaprutil1 seems to have breaks on my apache common | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | oh that's right, you'll be on amd64 | 10:04 |
| asac | so maybe binary all hasnt made it to my archive | 10:04 |
| asac | right amd64 | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | apr-util failed to build on i386 due to dependencies | 10:05 |
| asac | heh | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | but the later one built on amd64, which introduced a breaks on apache-common | 10:05 |
| * ajmitch was doing an apache2 merge earlier | 10:05 | |
| seb128_ | hey ajmitch, it has been a while, how are you? | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | good, how are you? | 10:05 |
| seb128_ | good thanks | 10:05 |
| asac | https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apr-util/1.3.4+dfsg-2 | 10:06 |
| asac | that seems to have build | 10:06 |
| asac | om its recent | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | oh, it built now, interesting | 10:06 |
| asac | so all is probably just missing on my mirror | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | it'll still have the breaks on apache-common until the updated apache2 package is uploaded & built | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | but that'll drag in libaprutil1-ldap, libaprutil1-dbd-mysql from universe :) | 10:07 |
| asac | isnt that an alpha-1 blocker for the server team ;)? | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | pitti: sorry, looks like a apache2 upload may be needed to fix this up :( | 10:08 |
| asac | i always knew that Breaks: is just evil ;) | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | if my muddled reasoning is correct | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | blame debian maintainers, right? ;) | 10:09 |
| didrocks | seb128_: gnome-python-extras ready, bugs #375355 | 10:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 375355 in gnome-python-extras "Please, merge gnome-python-extras 2.25.3-2 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375355 | 10:13 |
| seb128_ | didrocks: ok thanks | 10:14 |
| didrocks | seb128_: so, now. I'm focusing on reshaping one -dbg package by gnome-python* source? | 10:14 |
| asac | udev breaks devmapper (dmsetup) ... and no upload in sight ;) | 10:14 |
| seb128_ | would be nice, and sending the patches to debian so maybe we can be almost in sync again on those | 10:14 |
| didrocks | seb128_: ok. I will try. Anything else, more relaxing, during this time? :) | 10:15 |
| asac | udev: Breaks: dmsetup (<= 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu5) but 2:1.02.27-4ubuntu5 is installed. | 10:15 |
| asac | pitti: ^^ any plans to upload that for karmic? | 10:15 |
| seb128_ | didrocks: nothing specific feel free to do shopping on merge.ubuntu.com | 10:15 |
| didrocks | seb128_: ok. That's some kind of inexpensive shopping ^^ | 10:16 |
| didrocks | (apart for free time ;)) | 10:16 |
| seb128_ | hehe | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | asac: see discussion in -devel a few minutes ago :) | 10:16 |
| seb128_ | indeed! | 10:16 |
| asac | good | 10:17 |
| asac | thx ajmitch | 10:17 |
| pitti | ajmitch: ok, go ahead then please | 10:31 |
| pitti | asac: that was discussed in #u-devel, let me talk to keybuk | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | :-) | 10:35 |
| asac | pitti: bug 352622 ... can you please put that to proposed? its a no change upload that will allow the ppp plugin to load | 10:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 352622 in pptpd "/usr/lib/pptpd/pptpd-logwtmp.so is for pppd version 2.4.4 not 2.4.5" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/352622 | 10:44 |
| pitti | asac: oh, sorry; thought I did that days ago already | 10:53 |
| asac | no problem ;) | 10:53 |
| pitti | asac: will do an SRU round today, in between fighting archive | 10:53 |
| asac | pitti: i think you didnt like that there was no impact/verify instructions in description and then it dropped from the radar | 10:53 |
| pitti | indeed, and in comment 16 I was just confused | 10:54 |
| === dpm_ is now known as dpm | ||
| didrocks | pitti: I might have a clue. The previous version of vte was built with python-support 0.8.7. I have to figure out how to force this manually in my pbuilder though. | 11:47 |
| didrocks | (just to confirm) | 11:47 |
| pitti | didrocks: might very well be a regression/changed behaviour there, yes | 11:53 |
| didrocks | pitti: pyshared is the right location for .so modules. http://paste.ubuntu.com/170484/ | 11:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: alright, thanks for clearing that; then python-apt is wrong | 11:59 |
| didrocks | it seems, yeah | 11:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: just fixing -dbg package and I open a new bug for sponsoring | 11:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: or just ping here, you're committing to bzr anyway, right? | 11:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok. I will ping you, after committing :) | 12:00 |
| * asac lunch | 12:17 | |
| didrocks | pitti: new vte revision pushed | 12:29 |
| pitti | didrocks: hah, that looks good | 12:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: great ;) | 12:49 |
| pitti | seb128: do you think that Robert and you want to maintain libpst? (see bug 351577) | 12:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 351577 in libpst "MIR - libpst" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/351577 | 12:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: that's a biased question ;-) | 12:53 |
| pitti | seb128: well, if you say it's not maintainable, we don't support it, period :) | 12:53 |
| seb128 | pitti: I think it's an useful feature to have and we got questions in review about that not being working in jaunty | 12:53 |
| seb128 | I'm not looking for extra work but I think we should use it yes | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | seb128: gnome-keyring seems a little bit broken | 12:57 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: what ubuntu version and how? | 12:57 |
| Keybuk | seb128: karmic, current | 12:58 |
| Keybuk | it keeps asking for the passphrase over and over and over again | 12:58 |
| pitti | hm, I'm using both ssh and gpg, WFM | 12:58 |
| seb128 | I would said it's due to something else | 12:58 |
| seb128 | since it didn't change since jaunty | 12:58 |
| Keybuk | it's failing for all applications | 12:59 |
| seb128 | wfm | 13:00 |
| seb128 | and I dist-upgraded this morning | 13:00 |
| Keybuk | how would I debug? | 13:01 |
| Keybuk | ah | 13:02 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-daemon --foreground perhaps | 13:02 |
| Keybuk | in the process of poking, I figured out what the problem is | 13:03 |
| seb128 | ah? | 13:03 |
| Keybuk | my X keymap has reverted to "USA" | 13:03 |
| Keybuk | and gnome-keyring never says if you get the password wrong | 13:03 |
| seb128 | I got the issue too on the gdm screen this morning | 13:03 |
| seb128 | but I've a custom keymap in gconf for GNOME so it was working there | 13:03 |
| seb128 | iz xorg bog | 13:03 |
| crevette | about bog, I wanted to know if this is possible to run Xorg in the old fashion way for input device (without hal) | 13:06 |
| ikonia | seb128: thanks for the input on the bug reprot | 13:06 |
| ikonia | report | 13:06 |
| seb128 | ikonia: which one? I comment on over an hundred bug every a day | 13:07 |
| ikonia | seb128: the ssh/gnome-keyring/ssh-add bug | 13:07 |
| seb128 | -every | 13:07 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 13:07 |
| seb128 | sorry to not being really helpful but what I know is that it works for most people | 13:08 |
| seb128 | it's weird that you get the issue on several stock installs | 13:08 |
| ikonia | trying it on a seperate hardware platform | 13:08 |
| pitti | I'm actually using US layout, though | 13:08 |
| seb128 | could be due to some rsa keys or something, there is some bugs about that | 13:08 |
| ikonia | I doubt that, as I've tried re-creating the key | 13:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: you were using dvorak no? or just learning? | 13:09 |
| ikonia | and if I manually invoke ssh-add it works finr | 13:09 |
| ikonia | fine | 13:09 |
| pitti | seb128: I had learned it years ago, but never to the point of being sufficiently fluent | 13:09 |
| seb128 | ikonia: ssh-agent is not the gnome-keyring agent though | 13:09 |
| pitti | so I have used US for years | 13:09 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:09 |
| seb128 | ikonia: env | grep SSH? | 13:09 |
| ikonia | seb128: I know, the problem is with ssh-add/and gnome-keyring | 13:09 |
| ikonia | SSH_AGENT_PID=4012 | 13:10 |
| ikonia | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/keyring-dog0Sb/socket.ssh | 13:10 |
| ikonia | all good | 13:10 |
| ikonia | using the keyring as the auth | 13:10 |
| seb128 | ikonia: what is not working there if the keyring is used? | 13:10 |
| seb128 | ikonia: ls -l /tmp/keyring-dog0Sb/socket.ssh | 13:11 |
| ikonia | seb128: the keyring is not being used | 13:12 |
| seb128 | ikonia: | 13:12 |
| seb128 | " all good | 13:13 |
| seb128 | using the keyring as the auth" | 13:13 |
| ikonia | seb128: if I do "ssh hostname" - ssh asks me for the key, rather than gnome-keyring launghing the ask-pass gui | 13:13 |
| seb128 | that's not coherent, is it used or not? | 13:13 |
| ikonia | sorry - it's setup according to the auth_sock varible to use it, but it is is not being invoked | 13:13 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:13 |
| seb128 | ikonia: ls -l /tmp/keyring-dog0Sb/socket.ssh | 13:13 |
| ikonia | srwxr-xr-x 1 test test 0 2009-05-12 08:12 /tmp/keyring-dog0Sb/socket.ssh | 13:14 |
| seb128 | ikonia: gconftool -R /apps/gnome-keyring | 13:14 |
| ikonia | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/170541/ | 13:15 |
| seb128 | ps aux | grep gnome-keyring | 13:15 |
| ikonia | test 3862 0.0 0.0 92424 3292 ? S 08:12 0:01 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login | 13:16 |
| seb128 | can you stop this one, run | 13:16 |
| ikonia | sure | 13:16 |
| seb128 | gnome-keyring-daemon --daemonize --login --foreground | 13:16 |
| seb128 | ups | 13:16 |
| seb128 | not --daemonize | 13:16 |
| seb128 | and see if anything is printed when trying to use ssh | 13:16 |
| ikonia | nothing in the terminal | 13:18 |
| ikonia | just ssh prompting me for a password for the key | 13:18 |
| seb128 | and ssh -vvv has nothing useful? | 13:19 |
| seb128 | you are sure your setup is configured correctly to do key authentification? | 13:19 |
| ikonia | seb128: very useful stuff for debugging an ssh problem, but as there is no problem - it just things it's waiting for a key | 13:19 |
| seb128 | ok so I don't know | 13:19 |
| ikonia | it can do key auth, fine, working for years, if I put the key in with ssh - it works fine | 13:19 |
| seb128 | upstream might have a better idea about the issue | 13:19 |
| seb128 | you can try opening a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org | 13:20 |
| ikonia | trying to find someone who can spec out the gnoem stuff, | 13:20 |
| seb128 | well upstream is usually responsive | 13:20 |
| seb128 | and they writte the code so they know it | 13:20 |
| ikonia | I'll see what I can get, but as I said, thank you for a response | 13:22 |
| seb128 | you're welcome | 13:24 |
| Keybuk | seb128: definitely something up with gpg: | 13:32 |
| Keybuk | gpg: gpg-agent is not available in this session | 13:32 |
| seb128 | env | grep GPG | 13:33 |
| Keybuk | seb128: nada | 13:33 |
| seb128 | is seahorse-plugins installed? | 13:33 |
| Keybuk | no | 13:33 |
| seb128 | there you go | 13:33 |
| Keybuk | why would that have been removed? | 13:33 |
| Keybuk | nothing depends on it | 13:34 |
| seb128 | the seahorse recommends has been changing to suggests | 13:34 |
| seb128 | changed | 13:34 |
| Keybuk | why? | 13:34 |
| seb128 | we discussed it this morning with pitti | 13:34 |
| Keybuk | no gpg agent by default? | 13:34 |
| pitti | I just don't understand why it gets removed? | 13:34 |
| pitti | (on upgrades) | 13:34 |
| Keybuk | pitti: because it's no longer a recommends, so it's an "unused package automatically installed" | 13:34 |
| seb128 | because debian did it this way, pitti thinks that's good idea, it wins some login speed and gpg agent is not used by most users | 13:34 |
| pitti | having new installs without an agent is certainly fine, but it shuold be kept on upgrades | 13:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: Keybuk probably did a clean run | 13:35 |
| Keybuk | it makes bzr a ball-ache to use | 13:35 |
| pitti | Keybuk: ah, autoremove | 13:35 |
| Keybuk | not to mention packaging ;) | 13:35 |
| Keybuk | does it really take much time just for the gpg agent? | 13:35 |
| seb128 | I would say no | 13:35 |
| Keybuk | I mean, if I were looking at login time and swinging some axes, I wouldn't be targetting that | 13:35 |
| pitti | Keybuk: it's an xsession.d script, thus blocking everything | 13:35 |
| seb128 | but pitti says it takes 1 second on his box | 13:35 |
| pitti | Keybuk: how much does it take on your reference box? | 13:36 |
| Keybuk | I guess I have to logout and login to get it? | 13:36 |
| Keybuk | pitti: doesn't show up | 13:36 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/black-jaunty-20090310-4_cropped.png | 13:36 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: yes | 13:36 |
| pitti | Keybuk: yes, it's a stupid "install an unix socket" architecture | 13:36 |
| pitti | I wish it would use something less 1960ish | 13:36 |
| pitti | it needs to run all the time for nothing for most users | 13:36 |
| Keybuk | it sounds like it'd be nicer if someone ported it to a GpgKit like D-Bus activated service | 13:37 |
| pitti | indeed | 13:37 |
| pitti | I haven't checked gpg2 and pinentry yet, perhaps that changed to something less silly | 13:38 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, I've a gvfs git package ready to upload to karmic ... do you know if that's normal that both the hal and the gdu monitors are installed? | 14:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: gvfs provides as well frontends for hal and du? | 14:04 |
| didrocks | (btw, I will upgrade to karmic during UDS, promise ;)) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks: rather backends that frontend but yes | 14:05 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, I thought that gdu was a frontend | 14:05 |
| seb128 | gvfs is not a graphical layer | 14:06 |
| didrocks | yes, I'm aware of that. That's why I was surprised :) | 14:06 |
| seb128 | but I'm not sure on how gdu fits in the puzzle that's why I'm asking pitti there ;-) | 14:06 |
| didrocks | oki ^^ | 14:06 |
| seb128 | I though gdu would be doing the volumes and drive monitoring too | 14:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's not gio? | 14:07 |
| seb128 | no, gio is the filesystem layer | 14:08 |
| seb128 | gvfs is what monitors for devices, etc | 14:08 |
| didrocks | ok, I only memorized gvfs == backend and gio == frontend. And I understood monitoring as monitoring vfs. Hence my misunderstanding :) | 14:09 |
| seb128 | gio is what let you monitor files, read those, etc | 14:10 |
| seb128 | gvfs provide the backend to access non local files for example and monitors the mounts, devices, etc | 14:10 |
| seb128 | so gio doesn't have to know if a path is a local one or a gvfs location | 14:10 |
| didrocks | ok, so gio is just some kind of library to access file, which can interact with the local vfs, or gvfs | 14:12 |
| didrocks | gvfs itself can interact with fuse, and so on... | 14:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks: sort of yes | 14:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, thanks ;) | 14:14 |
| pitti | didrocks: new gvfs should drop the hal monitor | 14:21 |
| pitti | seb128: gdu is a library which provides gnome-mount-like functionality for gvfs, but in library form | 14:21 |
| pitti | seb128: thus, gnome-mount will be obsolete with the gdu-gvfs | 14:21 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've a git build but both hal and gdu monitors are installed, was that the case for your build too? | 14:22 |
| pitti | seb128: no, I disabled the hal backend, since I wanted to drop the b-dep | 14:25 |
| pitti | seb128: but it's still present in the source, of course | 14:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: well in my case it's still in the gvfs-backend binary | 14:25 |
| seb128 | pitti: I've no other issue, the gphoto backend built correctly | 14:26 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'm sorting that with upstream and will upload to karmic soon | 14:26 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 14:28 |
| rickspencer3 | hi seb128 | 14:28 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, I upload the new gvfs with both backend and without the gnome-disk-utility recommends | 14:30 |
| seb128 | that's less disruptive for the alpha milestone, to avoid getting new stuff on the CD | 14:30 |
| seb128 | this way gdu is used when gnome-dist-utility is installed otherwise it falls back to the old way | 14:30 |
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| asac | hmm ... fork/execv forgets environ? | 14:49 |
| chrisccoulson | asac - shouldn't do should it? | 14:52 |
| asac | not sure ;) | 14:52 |
| pitti | seb128: right, we don't need the palimpsest tool at all | 14:55 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks | 14:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: uploaded meanwhile, enjoy | 14:55 |
| pitti | seb128: g-d-u binary package has nothing to do with gvfs | 14:55 |
| pitti | it's like gparted, but with using devkit | 14:55 |
| seb128 | pitti: something in the gnome-disk-utility depends was required though | 14:56 |
| seb128 | pitti: because the gdu monitor was not running before I installed it | 14:56 |
| seb128 | could be libgdu-gtk | 14:56 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, weird; I don't have it installed, it just needs libgdu and libgdu-gtk | 14:57 |
| seb128 | I didn't have libgdu-gtk | 14:57 |
| seb128 | it build-depends on libgdu-dev | 14:57 |
| pitti | seb128: right, I replaced libhal-dev with libgdu-dev, too | 14:58 |
| pitti | and the hal dependency with devicekit-disks | 14:58 |
| pitti | seb128: so libgphoto built for you? | 14:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: I didn't have devicekit-disks installed | 14:58 |
| seb128 | pitti: yes, debdiff shows no difference out of the new gdu files and all configure options were set to yes | 14:59 |
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| pitti | seb128: ah, then it's probably still using hal | 14:59 |
| pitti | seb128: that's fine, I'll have another look at it after a1, and switch it over | 14:59 |
| pitti | seb128: thanks for uploading | 14:59 |
| seb128 | pitti: what I said, it was using hal until I installed gnome-disk-utility | 14:59 |
| seb128 | which pulled devicekit-disks | 14:59 |
| seb128 | so something in the depends is required for gdu to be on | 14:59 |
| seb128 | devicekit-disks I guess | 15:00 |
| pitti | seb128: that would be it then; I bet it tries to use that, and then falls back | 15:00 |
| seb128 | I didn't add the Recommends though to not impact on CD builds | 15:00 |
| seb128 | pitti: it does | 15:00 |
| pitti | cool | 15:00 |
| seb128 | so right now there is no change by default | 15:00 |
| seb128 | and people installing devicekit-disks get gdu used | 15:00 |
| seb128 | it's all good | 15:00 |
| seb128 | we will add the recommends once alpha is out and devicekit-disks in promoted if that's not the case yet | 15:01 |
| pitti | right | 15:01 |
| jcastro | seb128: hey check these out: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Patches | 15:34 |
| seb128 | jcastro: yeah, we have patch tagging guidelines too ;-) | 15:38 |
| jcastro | yes, I know. | 15:39 |
| jcastro | I was just pointing these out. | 15:39 |
| seb128 | jcastro: do you think there is something interesting in those that we don't do or you are just pointing it for the record? | 15:39 |
| jcastro | I was just thinking if there is any value in having the same format for everybody | 15:40 |
| seb128 | I doubt it | 15:40 |
| jcastro | We have full URLs for fully lazy people | 15:41 |
| seb128 | indeed | 15:41 |
| kenvandine | pitti: ping | 16:04 |
| kenvandine | pitti: for some reason, evolution-indicator is getting removed on upgrades (at least for rickspencer3 and I) | 16:05 |
| rickspencer3 | is there some way that I can query apt-get to find out why it was removed? | 16:05 |
| * rickspencer3 has poor apt-cache-fu | 16:05 | |
| pitti | 'was' is a little late | 16:05 |
| kenvandine | me too :) | 16:05 |
| pitti | usually it's very easy if it's _about_ to be removed on dist-upgrade | 16:05 |
| pitti | if that happens, you should immediately abort, use "upgrade", and then debug it | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | i think it got removed yesterday | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 16:06 |
| pitti | kenvandine: what happens if you install it? | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | works fine | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: what is the specific package name? | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | evolution-indicator | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | rc evolution-indicator 0.1.12-0ubuntu1 GNOME panel indicator applet for Evolution | 16:06 |
| kenvandine | what does that rc mean? | 16:06 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: bzzzt | 16:06 |
| pitti | 'removed', "conffiles left" | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | it's installed for me: | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | the only configuration will be KMS + GEM + UXA. | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | I mean | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | rick@rick-desktop:~$ aptitude search evolution-indicator | 16:07 |
| rickspencer3 | i evolution-indicator - GNOME panel indicator applet for Evolution | 16:07 |
| pitti | kenvandine: most probably a temporary uninstallability due to gnome rebuilds | 16:07 |
| pitti | ii evolution-indicator 0.1.15-0ubuntu1 | 16:07 |
| pitti | seems to work fine here | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | pitti: my karmic box has it | 16:07 |
| kenvandine | my jaunty box had it yesterday morning... but not last night | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | i did update at the end of the day | 16:08 |
| seb128 | on "upgrades" | 16:08 |
| seb128 | how do you upgrade? | 16:08 |
| * kenvandine should have looked closer | 16:08 | |
| kenvandine | update-manager | 16:08 |
| seb128 | update-manager should never remove anything | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | that is all i used yesterday | 16:08 |
| seb128 | weird | 16:08 |
| seb128 | are you sure? | 16:08 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: do you know for a fact that it was uninstalled? | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | yes | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | yes | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | it was "rc" | 16:08 |
| seb128 | did you get the dist-upgrade mode? | 16:08 |
| kenvandine | no | 16:09 |
| seb128 | I don't believe you | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:09 |
| pitti | well, such things happen every now and then | 16:09 |
| seb128 | update-manager is programmed to not do removal | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | is there a log? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | /var/log/dpkg.log | 16:09 |
| pitti | during the early karmic days with lots of archive shatter you just need to be careful | 16:09 |
| seb128 | pitti: that's a jaunty install | 16:09 |
| seb128 | and I doubt update-manager does uninstall anything | 16:09 |
| seb128 | it puts things on hold usually | 16:10 |
| kenvandine | i don't see anything removing it in the log | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | in fact, the only references to it are from just now when i installed it | 16:11 |
| seb128 | the log lists all the package changes | 16:11 |
| seb128 | so it was not installed before | 16:11 |
| seb128 | that log has everything which got un-installed, installed, reconfigured, etc | 16:11 |
| kenvandine | at least since the 1st | 16:12 |
| pitti | ugh | 16:12 |
| seb128 | so your box had it yesterday morning and not yesterday night and it's not listed there? | 16:12 |
| seb128 | are you sure you booted the correct install? | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | ok, the older log shows it upgraded on 04-07 | 16:13 |
| seb128 | or that you didn't have a local install out of the packaging system you were using? | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | yes | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | nothing shows it getting removed in the logs | 16:13 |
| seb128 | that doesn't make sense | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | i see an upgraded in the older log | 16:13 |
| seb128 | the log is the dpkg one | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | and an install today | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | /var/log/dpkg.log.1 and /var/log/dpkg.log | 16:13 |
| seb128 | ie it should be listed there whatever package tool you used | 16:13 |
| kenvandine | yup | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | the status was rc before i installed it today | 16:14 |
| seb128 | my bet is local database corruption then | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | evolution-indicator | 16:14 |
| seb128 | check your disk | 16:14 |
| kenvandine | :( | 16:14 |
| seb128 | there is just no way something got removed and not logged | 16:14 |
| seb128 | and especially no way that update-manager does un-install something | 16:14 |
| seb128 | it's designed to not do that | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | yeah, it wasn't uninstalled | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | so weird | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | according to the log | 16:15 |
| seb128 | check your ram and disks | 16:15 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: so you have it installed... i wonder why it is broken for you | 16:15 |
| seb128 | how broken? | 16:16 |
| seb128 | broken like "the panel shows an error and doesn't load the applet" | 16:16 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: it is present and selected in the evo plugins dialog | 16:16 |
| seb128 | or broken like "doesn't list clients"? | 16:16 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: so you see Evolution Indicator in the list of plugins? | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: evo is not appearing in the indicator | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: yes, see above | 16:17 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: what is working before? did you change anything since? | 16:17 |
| seb128 | what -> was | 16:17 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: ok... i didn't have the plugin listed there... | 16:17 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: yes, it was working before | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | so you have /usr/lib64/evolution/2.26/plugins/org-freedesktop-evolution-indicator.eplug | 16:18 |
| rickspencer3 | according the dpkg log the last time it was updated was on April 13 | 16:18 |
| kenvandine | tedg says it was updated recently | 16:19 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: yes | 16:19 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: did you try restarting evolution in case? | 16:20 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: yes, this has been happening for some number of days | 16:20 |
| rickspencer3 | I have restarted, etc... | 16:20 |
| seb128 | do you get the issue in a guest session? | 16:20 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: dunno | 16:20 |
| rickspencer3 | I suspect that the plugin version and the indicator applet version are out of synch | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | no, that shouldn't do it | 16:21 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: did the interface between the two change at any point recently? | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | it was a minor bug fix | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | one line change | 16:21 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: somebody else would have noticed if that was an interface change | 16:22 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: I would start trying a guest session | 16:22 |
| seb128 | that's the quicker way to know if the issue is due to some config or not | 16:22 |
| seb128 | just start evo there, putting a random email configure no account and sendmail and when you are at the mailbox screen look the icon | 16:23 |
| kenvandine | that's how i figured out it wasn't installed :) | 16:23 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: I added a bullet point to your U1 agenda for the team meeting | 16:44 |
| kenvandine | ok | 16:45 |
| rickspencer3 | was hoping you get educate us about what the U1 team's goals were for Jaunty during the meeting | 16:45 |
| kenvandine | for jaunty? | 16:47 |
| jcastro | time machine time! | 16:47 |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:47 |
| artir | idea: add a launchpad registration as "Ubuntu Online Services" in ubiquity, that eases launchpad and U1 use | 16:52 |
| rickspencer3 | desktop team meeting in 5 minutes | 17:25 |
| mclasen | pitti: did you ever look at my update of your gconf client-side translations patch ? | 17:26 |
| pitti | mclasen: yes, I did; thanks for cleaning it up | 17:26 |
| mclasen | I want to land that upstream | 17:27 |
| mclasen | but I need someone to lobby for the prerequisite intltool changes... | 17:27 |
| pitti | so far I only applied your cleaned up gconf patch, haven't checked the intltool one yet | 17:28 |
| pitti | I'd certainly welcome changing it in intltool itself, that would be so much cleaner | 17:28 |
| bryce | morning | 17:30 |
| pitti | hey bryce, good morning | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | Team meeting all? | 17:30 |
| calc | hi | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | awe: bryce: calc: kenvandine: pitti: seb128: ArneGoetje: Riddell: | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | did I miss anyone? | 17:31 |
| seb128 | there | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | asac is at a concert I think | 17:31 |
| pitti | o/ | 17:31 |
| Riddell | hola | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | tkamppeter: hi | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | let's go | 17:32 |
| * kenvandine here | 17:32 | |
| rickspencer3 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-05-12 | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | Outstanding actions from last meeting | 17:32 |
| rickspencer3 | both are done, see the wiki please | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | next ... Current Jaunty Tax? | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | What, if anything, are we spending time on related to Jaunty? | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | Robert already told me about the SRU for totem | 17:33 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: seb128: is that going to happen? | 17:33 |
| seb128 | "tax"? | 17:33 |
| calc | the only thing i am still doing is backporting OOo packages in the ppa for h/i/j to make it easier to catch bugs in the new packages (not too much trouble to do) | 17:34 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: currently waiting on SRU justification; don't know yet | 17:34 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: sorry, I'm trying to discover what resources we are still expending on Jaunty as apposed to moving on to Karmic | 17:34 |
| seb128 | I'm in favor of it but seems pitti is trying to put the sru bar higher for stable GNOME updates | 17:34 |
| pitti | s/GNOME// | 17:34 |
| Riddell | I'd like to get our network-manager-plasmoid backported and SRUed into jaunty | 17:34 |
| seb128 | I included GNOME on purpose there | 17:34 |
| pitti | in particular, put it back to where it was before hardy :) | 17:34 |
| Riddell | trouble is it's roughtly described as "generally less broken then the jaunty version" which isn't perfect SRU material | 17:34 |
| seb128 | I think it deserves a special case since it's what we ship by default and they have freeze process which make bug fix stable usually | 17:35 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: so, there'll be some moderate SRU activity still, of course | 17:35 |
| pitti | we won't get it to zero | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: ack, I just want everyone to be aware of where it is being expended right now | 17:35 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: do we need to discuss the Totem SRU now? | 17:36 |
| bryce | i'm finding that I'm spending a higher than normal amount of time doing jaunty stuff, mostly due to the -intel mess | 17:36 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: we shouldn't do it in this meeting, IMHO | 17:36 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: ok, GNOME wise robert has been working on totem and totem-pl-parser updates and I think that will be all from his side, maybe a gcalctool bug fix version still later | 17:36 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3: I plan to sponsor a gvfs ssh permission fix and some evolution fixes for other crashers | 17:36 |
| seb128 | that should be all for GNOME | 17:37 |
| rickspencer3 | any others (besides obviously the ones we don't know about yet)? | 17:37 |
| seb128 | I would "budget" one or two hours for that | 17:37 |
| pitti | we still need to finish the 965 SRU | 17:38 |
| pitti | besides that, I'm not aware of other major issues | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | ack | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks all | 17:38 |
| tkamppeter | hi | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | sounds moderate to me | 17:38 |
| rickspencer3 | moving on ... | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | UDS | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | please fill out your blueprint summaries by eow this week if possible | 17:39 |
| rickspencer3 | please let pitti know if you have any questions, etc... about that (or me if pitti is not available) | 17:40 |
| rickspencer3 | sessions are scheduled as of now, but expect some churn in the schedule for the next week or so | 17:40 |
| rickspencer3 | next topic: Team Meeting Next Week | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I assume that we should just cancel as folks will be traveling to all hands, etc... | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | thoughts? | 17:41 |
| pitti | +1 | 17:41 |
| seb128 | +1 | 17:41 |
| awe_ | +1 | 17:41 |
| kenvandine | +1 | 17:41 |
| pitti | we will be at somehands, too | 17:41 |
| calc | +1 | 17:41 |
| rickspencer3 | kewl | 17:41 |
| bryce | +1 | 17:41 |
| kenvandine | those of us already there can grab a beer | 17:41 |
| seb128 | somehands? | 17:41 |
| * calc not sure if he will even be at the hotel yet at that point | 17:41 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 17:41 |
| tkamppeter | OK (but I am not on all hands). | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | we'll have like a 5 hour meeting in the hotel bar that night, perhaps | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | tkamppeter: ack | 17:42 |
| calc | rickspencer3: heh | 17:42 |
| awe_ | somehands == mgr types | 17:42 |
| pitti | seb128: monday/tuesday | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | see you at UDS though, we'll make up for it then | 17:42 |
| pitti | not sure yet what's going on there | 17:42 |
| seb128 | pitti: ah ok | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 17:42 |
| * kenvandine is glad he has all of his hands | 17:42 | |
| rickspencer3 | I guess I should have mentioned that | 17:42 |
| rickspencer3 | rickspencer3: and pitti will be at all day meetings on Monday and Tuesday | 17:43 |
| pitti | sounds like .. fun :) | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | so would be a good time to etiher take a day off, or get real work done ;) | 17:43 |
| seb128 | or travel ;-) | 17:43 |
| crevette | hello | 17:43 |
| rickspencer3 | let me know if you have any questions about some hands via /msg | 17:44 |
| rickspencer3 | next topic: Ubuntu One | 17:44 |
| * rickspencer3 hands mic to kenvandine | 17:44 | |
| kenvandine | it's alive! | 17:44 |
| kenvandine | went beta yesterday, by invitation | 17:44 |
| awe_ | cool! | 17:44 |
| kenvandine | anyone can request an invite, and we are approving those in batches | 17:44 |
| kenvandine | to control scalling | 17:45 |
| kenvandine | make sure it can handle the load, etc | 17:45 |
| pitti | I filed a grave bug 5 hours ago, and Facundo committed the fix now | 17:45 |
| kenvandine | just FYI, if people have questions you can send them to #ubuntuone | 17:45 |
| pitti | they are really responsive \o/ | 17:45 |
| ubottu | Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private | 17:45 |
| kenvandine | pitti: yeah... i file at least one of those a day :) | 17:45 |
| kenvandine | they are speedy | 17:45 |
| artir | what is bug 5? | 17:46 |
| ubottu | Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | bug five! | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | oh no, it's private, thanks ubottu | 17:46 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: i didn't understand your scope question for jaunty? | 17:46 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: what are the functional goals for Jaunty? | 17:46 |
| kenvandine | ok | 17:46 |
| crevette | rickspencer3: bug 5 is 'world domination' | 17:47 |
| rickspencer3 | is there a spec so we can see what they are shooting for for instance | 17:47 |
| ubottu | Bug 5 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/5 is private | 17:47 |
| kenvandine | file sync, sharing, etc | 17:47 |
| kenvandine | also | 17:47 |
| kenvandine | the next thing on the horizon that i know they are working on is screen sharing via u1 | 17:47 |
| awe_ | kenvandine: where should we file bugs? I managed to crash my system shortly after the meeting started...after launching the ubuntuone applet? | 17:47 |
| kenvandine | http://ubuntuone.com/support | 17:47 |
| awe_ | thanks | 17:47 |
| kenvandine | takes you to LP :) | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | also | 17:48 |
| pitti | also, applet -> right click -> file a bug | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | any questions folks have, feel free to ping me as well... i have spent quite a bit of time in it now | 17:48 |
| pitti | it has an apport hook as well (ubuntu-bug), but be aware that the log files tend to be huuuge | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | pitti: yeah, it should be a little better now | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | they rotate daily | 17:48 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: I got the impression that other than file synching they are not committed to anything else for Jaunty, though they would like to do more, is that correct? | 17:48 |
| kenvandine | but still in debug mode | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | they aren't thinking in our milestones | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | so when they are done with a service, they will role it out | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | it will be up to us what gets included in karmic | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | so for now it is more like a 3rd party app | 17:49 |
| rickspencer3 | hmm | 17:49 |
| kenvandine | as they add services there should be new packages for them, etc | 17:50 |
| rickspencer3 | I feel that we are committed to supporting them to ship file synching in Karmic, assuming their quality is good | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | client side | 17:50 |
| pitti | kenvandine: can you put a little pressure on them to start using serious test suites? | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: right | 17:50 |
| pitti | I discovered an endless 100% cpu spin loop today due to a broken symlink | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | pitti: they do unit testing | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | we are working on more functional tests | 17:50 |
| pitti | stuff like that is totally discoverable by regression tests | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | basically what we expect of it before we say it goes in karmic | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 17:50 |
| kenvandine | i wonder how their coverage is | 17:51 |
| kenvandine | i will bring it up | 17:51 |
| pitti | getting sync into karmic would be great indeed | 17:51 |
| pitti | bug reports like those should get a test written first to reproduce | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: kenvandine: could you think of it as "how to help them with testing" as apposed to "putting pressure on them"? | 17:51 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: yes :) | 17:51 |
| pitti | yes | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | I think they probably have enough pressure they put on themselves :) | 17:51 |
| rickspencer3 | let's make this "win-win", as I think this functionality has huge value for users | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | :) | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | yup | 17:52 |
| kenvandine | ok, moving on | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | </preaching_to_choir> | 17:52 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: that it for U1? | 17:53 |
| kenvandine | yup | 17:53 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: Alpha1 Status ? | 17:53 |
| * rickspencer3 hands mic to Riddell (acting release manager this week) | 17:53 | |
| Riddell | along with pitti I am :) | 17:53 |
| Riddell | it's still pretty messy | 17:54 |
| pitti | <pitti> both the kernel and OO.o are still in the process of becoming installable | 17:54 |
| pitti | <pitti> and we won't have live CDs (no aufs in kernel) | 17:54 |
| Riddell | kernel, openoffice, d-i all still getting into place | 17:54 |
| pitti | <pitti> Riddell: I guess by tomorrow we should have alternates for testing | 17:54 |
| calc | several of the ports buildds are still way behind due to the linux-libc-dev issue last week | 17:55 |
| Riddell | and once everything installs who knows if it'll even run :) | 17:55 |
| pitti | we'll entirely ignore ports | 17:55 |
| calc | pitti: is the no aufs issue solvable in time for alpha 2 to have live cds? | 17:55 |
| pitti | I think ubuntu/kubuntu alternates will be just about everything we'll get | 17:55 |
| pitti | calc: I hope so; it needs to be ported to 2.6.30, I guess | 17:55 |
| calc | ok | 17:55 |
| pitti | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/karmic_probs.html FWIW | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | Riddell: pitti: thanks for managing while Steve is on a much deserved holiday | 17:56 |
| rickspencer3 | sweet segue to the next topic | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | Taking Care or Yourself | 17:57 |
| pitti | s/or/of/? | 17:57 |
| rickspencer3 | just a reminder that Ubuntu is a marathon, and not sprint | 17:58 |
| * kenvandine slows his stride a little for a sip of water | 17:58 | |
| rickspencer3 | I encourage you all to consider your work/life balance during this summer, and if you feel that you cannot take proper time off due to work commitments, speak to me privately so that we can change that | 17:58 |
| rickspencer3 | make sense? | 17:59 |
| seb128 | speaking about holidays the karmic sprint week is fixed now? | 17:59 |
| * rickspencer3 needs to take own medicine | 17:59 | |
| pitti | yeah, that would be good to know | 17:59 |
| pitti | for planning summer holidays | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128: yes, the time is fixed | 17:59 |
| artir | Mark wants you happy! | 17:59 |
| rickspencer3 | thought we covered this, in a previous meeting | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to confirm dates of distro sprint with randa and send to team | 18:00 |
| rickspencer3 | (I can dig through my emails as well) | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | I believe it's the first week of August | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | not sure where though | 18:01 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3: you told me on irc... but i haven't seen any email | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine: hmm, my bad, I'll follow up asap | 18:02 |
| kenvandine | thx | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | in any case, please know that I support you all taking your alloted holidays, and also swap days for when you've been burning the midnight oil | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | (10:02:20 AM) randa: rickspencer3: 3rd Agust to 7th August | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | there's the dates from randa, so no email (except in the meeting minutes) | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 18:03 |
| pitti | looking forward to seeing you all again! | 18:03 |
| bryce | do we know where the sprint will be? London? | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | bryce: don't know yet | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti: si | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | muy bien! | 18:04 |
| calc | bryce: iirc distro is too big for london now | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | any other business? | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | ACTION: rickspencer3 to contact desktop team about sprint location when it is determined | 18:06 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | meeting adjourned? | 18:07 |
| bryce | thanks | 18:07 |
| seb128 | thanks everybody | 18:07 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, I filed devkit-disks and libatasmart MIRs (http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt) | 18:07 |
| pitti | seb128: you don't happen to be in the mood for filing a g-d-u one? :-) | 18:07 |
| awe_ | see ya | 18:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: good thanks | 18:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: I can do | 18:07 |
| * pitti hugs seb128 | 18:09 | |
| * seb128 hugs pitti back | 18:10 | |
| * pitti -> dinner | 18:12 | |
| seb128 | pitti: enjoy | 18:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i can't get gnome-panel from debian experimental to build in karmic :/ | 18:26 |
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| awe_ | pitti: ping | 19:14 |
| pitti | hi awe_ | 19:14 |
| awe_ | ping: I need help setting up pbuilder for karmic. I added jaunty-backports via sw srcs, but don't know which pkg to install to get the debootstrap? | 19:15 |
| pitti | awe_: "debootstrap" | 19:17 |
| awe_ | ;/ | 19:17 |
| pitti | you need 1.0.13~jaunty1 from jaunty-backports | 19:17 |
| pitti | then it should work | 19:17 |
| awe_ | ah, I saw jaunty in the version and assumed it was for jaunty. not karmic. ok, i'll install that one. | 19:18 |
| pitti | awe_: that means "it's 1.0.13 backported _for_ jaunty" | 19:18 |
| pitti | awe_: we also have backports for hardy and intrepid | 19:18 |
| awe_ | ok | 19:18 |
| vuntz | dobey: hrm, I have a trivial gtkhtml2 patch in an openSUSE package. Want to commit it? | 19:19 |
| awe_ | pitti: that did the trick. thanks! | 19:20 |
| vuntz | dobey: https://api.opensuse.org/public/source/GNOME:Factory/libgtkhtml/libgtkhtml.patch?rev=f20337ade0cc943ff7e4422817bbf45a | 19:20 |
| pitti | awe_: no problem | 19:20 |
| vuntz | dobey: (not sure if you'll make a release in the future?) | 19:20 |
| pitti | awe_: don't feel like upgrading to karmic just yet? :-) | 19:20 |
| awe_ | pitti: yea, not so much... | 19:21 |
| awe_ | karmic, soon come, as they say in jamaica! | 19:21 |
| james_w | "The main developer is making PolicyKit1 a similar thing to PolicyKit, but will be a daemon rather than a library" | 19:24 |
| james_w | I wasn't aware it was a change like that | 19:25 |
| pitti | I just read about this today myself | 19:25 |
| james_w | also, why not call it 2, even if 1 was never released | 19:25 |
| pitti | came as a surprise to me | 19:25 |
| james_w | I'll try and dig around in it before UDS so that I can talk sensibly about it | 19:25 |
| mclasen | its described here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PolicyKitOne#Scope | 19:29 |
| mclasen | err, scratch the #Scope | 19:29 |
| james_w | thanks | 19:30 |
| seb128 | pitti: bug #375615 | 19:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 375615 in gnome-disk-utility "gnome-disk-utility should be promoted to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/375615 | 19:47 |
| seb128 | pitti: and kees approved devicekit-disks already ;-) | 19:48 |
| pitti | nice | 19:53 |
| pitti | seb128: all promoted now; bring the crack on! :-) | 19:56 |
| dobey | vuntz: you can go ahead and commit it | 19:56 |
| seb128 | \o/ | 19:56 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 19:56 | |
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| seb128 | crevette: do you read your bug emails? | 20:50 |
| crevette | since 1 month no | 20:50 |
| seb128 | ok, so you have a comment on your sponsoring request about the bluez update | 20:51 |
| seb128 | it would be nice to either update the package or unsubscribe the team if you don't want to work on the change | 20:51 |
| crevette | ah I was reading this one actually | 20:51 |
| crevette | and a new upstream reslease wias issued in between | 20:51 |
| seb128 | ok so you can update and fix the issue? ;-) | 20:52 |
| crevette | I'll try to see why these two plugins are not shipped | 20:52 |
| seb128 | cool | 20:52 |
| crevette | I'm sorry | 20:52 |
| crevette | I forgot that was bothering people to have team subscribed | 20:52 |
| seb128 | no need to be sorry there is nothing wrong | 20:53 |
| crevette | I should have removed them | 20:53 |
| seb128 | I was just wondering if you read the comment | 20:53 |
| crevette | should I put all upstream release Changes in the changelog between last package and current version (so 4.38 which was never packaged) ? | 20:55 |
| seb128 | you can use your 4.38 update and do an another upload over this one | 20:57 |
| seb128 | so both entries will be listed in the changelog | 20:57 |
| seb128 | ie use the 4.38 source and use dch to add a new one | 20:57 |
| seb128 | Laney: hey, want to review bug #372395 perhaps? | 20:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 372395 in gnome-bluetooth "[karmic] Please sponsor gnome-bluetooth 2.27.5" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/372395 | 20:57 |
| chrisccoulson | ugh devkit-disks is polling my floppy drive every couple of seconds | 20:57 |
| chrisccoulson | nice | 20:57 |
| chrisccoulson | maybe i shud get rid of such old technology | 20:58 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: calling devkit old technology? ;-) | 20:58 |
| chrisccoulson | lol. i was referring to the floppy drive ;) | 20:58 |
| seb128 | just jocking, but it's good to know who to ping about floppy bugs | 20:58 |
| seb128 | I don't have any floppy drive for years | 20:58 |
| seb128 | who need floppy drives when you get usb keys? ;-) | 20:59 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: ahah, you're stuck. We will flood you about floppy bugs :) | 20:59 |
| seb128 | oh didrocks! | 20:59 |
| chrisccoulson | i havent used my floppy drive in a long time actually | 21:00 |
| seb128 | you made a mistake by showing that you were there ;-p | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | but it's part of my card reader ;) | 21:00 |
| didrocks | seb128: don't scare me :) | 21:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: oh, it's too late to try that trick ;-) | 21:00 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you will get floppy bugs assigned, ah ah ah ;-) | 21:00 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: nice try ^^ | 21:00 |
| chrisccoulson | haha. i'm really looking forward to it ;) | 21:00 |
| * didrocks is running during this time… ;) | 21:00 | |
| seb128 | first one is to figure why devicekit poll on floppy every second ;-) | 21:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks: WAIT | 21:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks: ups, I meant "hello" ;-) | 21:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: caught ^^ | 21:01 |
| seb128 | didrocks: do you have gnome-python-desktop on your list? | 21:01 |
| didrocks | seb128: for refactoring, you mean? | 21:01 |
| seb128 | no, for merging | 21:01 |
| seb128 | but that's equivalent debian splitted all the binaries | 21:02 |
| seb128 | I'm looking forward it because it means we can get libgnomeprint* out of the CD | 21:02 |
| didrocks | seb128: I don't find it at https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html | 21:02 |
| didrocks | that's why I was just thinking it was refactoring | 21:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks: that's because debian still has 2.24 and we have 2.26 | 21:03 |
| seb128 | and mergomatic only lists what is newer in debian | 21:03 |
| seb128 | but we want to sync the split | 21:03 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, so, we need a manual merging :) | 21:03 |
| didrocks | ok | 21:03 |
| seb128 | yeah | 21:03 |
| seb128 | you use the mergomatic diffs usually? | 21:03 |
| seb128 | I only do manual merges, I'm a bit old school apparently | 21:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: that means that the package depending on libgnomeprint is seperated and not included in the CD seed? | 21:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: I just use MoM for convenient download | 21:04 |
| didrocks | I merge manually too | 21:04 |
| seb128 | that means most of the known universe moved to gtkprint | 21:05 |
| seb128 | but gnome-print-desktop still have gnome-print bindings so it brings the lib on the CD | 21:06 |
| seb128 | gnome-python-desktop rather | 21:06 |
| seb128 | I did some splitting before jaunty but it was jugged not worth the trouble to go through rdepends to fix those | 21:06 |
| didrocks | ok, in debian version there is an independant package gnome-print-desktop from gnome-python-desktop source package, right? | 21:06 |
| seb128 | yes, they did split all the bindings in different binaries | 21:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-python-desktop.html look on the left | 21:07 |
| didrocks | ok, so the once which will depend on gnomeprint* will not be included on the CD | 21:07 |
| didrocks | yes, | 21:07 |
| seb128 | well, only the binary using gnomeprint.so will depend on it | 21:08 |
| seb128 | which means nothing on the CD indeed | 21:08 |
| seb128 | gnome-games was the only one using it and we patched it before jaunty | 21:08 |
| seb128 | same for gtksourceview | 21:08 |
| didrocks | ok, and removing lib in deprecation is always good :) | 21:09 |
| seb128 | indeed! | 21:09 |
| didrocks | so python-gnomeprint will not be on the CD, right? | 21:09 |
| seb128 | and don't bother added a -dbg for each binary | 21:09 |
| seb128 | one for the source will do, should make the job easier | 21:09 |
| seb128 | right | 21:09 |
| seb128 | python-gnomeprint and python-gtksourceview will not be on the CD | 21:09 |
| seb128 | they might move to universe | 21:09 |
| didrocks | ok, that's more clear now :) | 21:09 |
| didrocks | hum? | 21:10 |
| didrocks | is it possible to have a source package in main and binaries in universe? | 21:10 |
| pitti | yes | 21:10 |
| seb128 | yes | 21:10 |
| didrocks | ok, great, consequently :) | 21:10 |
| maxb | It wouldn't make much sense unless *some* of the binaries were in main, though | 21:10 |
| didrocks | it was for yesterday, isn't it? :) | 21:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks: no, it was for a week ago | 21:11 |
| didrocks | ^^ | 21:11 |
| seb128 | ;) | 21:11 |
| seb128 | didrocks: joke aside don't hurry, I don't think we want to disrupt the archive before alpha1 | 21:11 |
| seb128 | ie next week will do | 21:11 |
| seb128 | or after uds | 21:11 |
| seb128 | I'm not a fan of disrupting the archive while everybody is at uds either | 21:12 |
| seb128 | I want to use the evening there to chat with people and collect beer at the bar not to fix broken depends ;-) | 21:12 |
| didrocks | seb128: I will try to have something for tomorrow, even if we don't ship it in alpha 1 or in the very few days, but I have more free time now that SCU is released (it was today \o/) | 21:12 |
| seb128 | SCU? | 21:12 |
| pitti | mmmm beer | 21:13 |
| didrocks | sorry, Simple Comme ubuntu | 21:13 |
| seb128 | oh ok, congrats for the new edition ;-) | 21:13 |
| * chrisccoulson buys pitti and seb128 a beer | 21:13 | |
| didrocks | seb128: thanks, I'm released from writing for 5 monthes now. That's what I celebrate :) | 21:13 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: thanks! | 21:13 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: coming to uds? | 21:13 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not | 21:14 |
| seb128 | shame | 21:14 |
| didrocks | that's so easy ^^ | 21:14 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: you should really apply for MOTU and be invited to next uds | 21:14 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll try and apply this week | 21:14 |
| seb128 | excellent | 21:14 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I exchange you a jaunty CD against a SCU book ;-) | 21:15 |
| * seb128 runs | 21:15 | |
| didrocks | seb128: that can be the deal. I can bring some at UDS ;) | 21:15 |
| seb128 | bring at least one so I can have a look | 21:15 |
| seb128 | I didn't bought any ubuntu book so far | 21:16 |
| didrocks | right. I will :) | 21:16 |
| seb128 | I just got an "ubuntu efficace" from ploum some years ago | 21:16 |
| didrocks | seb128: you know, Eyrolles still ship the same "ubuntu efficace" book | 21:17 |
| didrocks | it's on 6.10 IIRC. | 21:17 |
| seb128 | he got the editor to send me a book as a thanks for replying to some questions | 21:17 |
| didrocks | that was kind. I will give you framabook. Sure you will do nothing with it, but well ^^ | 21:18 |
| seb128 | framabook? | 21:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: framabook is the Free Book collection of framasoft | 21:19 |
| didrocks | SCU is one of them | 21:19 |
| seb128 | ah ok | 21:19 |
| didrocks | http://www.framabook.org/ | 21:19 |
| seb128 | don't bother giving me a book, you can probably find users that will make better use of it | 21:19 |
| seb128 | give one to huats perhaps ;-) | 21:19 |
| didrocks | yeah, sure huats need it :-) | 21:19 |
| seb128 | I heard that he's trying to make some business around ubuntu | 21:19 |
| seb128 | that could be useful to him there ;-) | 21:20 |
| didrocks | exactly ; hope for him it will works :) | 21:20 |
| huats | rrrggghhhh seb128 | 21:20 |
| huats | :P | 21:20 |
| seb128 | hey huats | 21:21 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 21:21 |
| huats | seb128: great | 21:21 |
| seb128 | good ;-) | 21:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, huats: come with some workflow ideas to uds, I want us to decide on a better team workflow there for updates | 21:21 |
| huats | seb128: ok I will | 21:22 |
| huats | :) | 21:22 |
| huats | definitly a good idea | 21:22 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm thinking about that regularly, to be honest :) | 21:22 |
| didrocks | and yes, it's needed as the team grows up | 21:22 |
| huats | seb128: I might have another trainig to do ... | 21:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks: I'm thinking about it often | 21:23 |
| huats | well for the moment I haven't signed any contract | 21:23 |
| huats | but 2-3 are almost done :) | 21:23 |
| seb128 | we need something similar to the debian page listing debian, upstream and ubuntu versions | 21:23 |
| seb128 | huats: excellent | 21:23 |
| seb128 | and we need a way to claim work | 21:23 |
| huats | seb128: the page that norsetto did was a good start I think | 21:23 |
| seb128 | right, it's not much different of the debian one | 21:24 |
| huats | yep | 21:24 |
| huats | and there was the possibility of comment IIRC | 21:24 |
| didrocks | it just needs some bindings for claiming work | 21:24 |
| seb128 | we just need a bzr to store the todolist | 21:24 |
| huats | yep | 21:24 |
| seb128 | and a small python wrapper to fetch and list changes and add some new ones there | 21:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: do you want I put a specification in LP for this and schedule at karmic UDS in a blank session (and free hours for all of us?) | 21:25 |
| seb128 | I'm still not decided between using bzr and text listing or wiki of launchpad bugs though | 21:25 |
| didrocks | s/us/uds | 21:26 |
| crevette | something integrated with launchpad would be great (for authencation, team management, ...) | 21:26 |
| seb128 | didrocks: no, don't bother, I think the schedule is full for that already and we don't need a full room for that, just some desktop team people sitting together | 21:26 |
| didrocks | seb128: right. I will come with some proposal though | 21:26 |
| seb128 | we could probably do a french mafia meeting at the bar for this one ;-) | 21:26 |
| huats | seb128: YEAH | 21:27 |
| didrocks | the bar is a good place for decision ;) | 21:27 |
| huats | I like that idea :) | 21:27 |
| didrocks | huats: I was sure you would like this :p | 21:27 |
| didrocks | well, time to go to bed | 21:29 |
| didrocks | have a good night guys o/ | 21:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks: 'night | 21:29 |
| didrocks | thanks ^^ | 21:29 |
| huats | night didrocks | 21:29 |
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| seb128 | pitti: is gnome-mount totally deprecated in the devicekit world? | 21:34 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 21:34 |
| pitti | seb128: you can use devkit-disks --mount for CLI mounting | 21:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, so I guess it's not worth sponsoring bug #325315 | 21:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 325315 in gnome-mount "Flushing Cache notification too verbose" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/325315 | 21:34 |
| pitti | and gvfs uses libgdu | 21:34 |
| pitti | seb128: no, that's why I ignored it as well | 21:35 |
| seb128 | I will unsubscribe the sponsor team now | 21:35 |
| seb128 | thanks | 21:35 |
| Laney | seb128: ok i will look | 21:45 |
| seb128 | Laney: thanks | 21:45 |
| Laney | btw I am in France right now \o/ | 21:46 |
| pitti | good night everyone | 21:49 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 21:55 |
| seb128 | Laney: oh? what are you doing there? holidays? | 21:55 |
| Laney | seb128: I'm at a conference in aussois | 21:55 |
| seb128 | is that a real town? ;-) | 21:56 |
| crevette | seb128: I can't un-subscribe sponsor team it seems, I don't have a '-' | 21:56 |
| Laney | it's a ski town | 21:56 |
| Laney | so no, it's not real | 21:56 |
| seb128 | crevette: right you need to be part of the team for that, don't bother just work on the update ;-) | 21:56 |
| seb128 | Laney: ah ok | 21:56 |
| crevette | working in a ski station.... | 21:57 |
| crevette | :) | 21:57 |
| seb128 | crevette: he's reviewing your gnome-bluetooth update so be nice ;-) | 21:57 |
| Laney | REJECT | 21:58 |
| crevette | ah this big mess | 21:58 |
| crevette | Laney: no problem :) | 21:58 |
| * seb128 kicks crevette | 21:58 | |
| Laney | heheh | 21:58 |
| Laney | just came back to my room to relax before bed | 21:58 |
| Laney | what better way/ | 21:58 |
| * crevette should go to sleep as he's night technical night duty | 21:59 | |
| crevette | hmm redhat as a udev rule to start bluetooth only when ther is a bluetooth device | 22:01 |
| crevette | that would be nice to have | 22:01 |
| crevette | ah ahaha | 22:05 |
| crevette | seb128: I answered for bluez package | 22:09 |
| seb128 | crevette: thanks | 22:09 |
| seb128 | crevette: is that a new source tarball? | 22:10 |
| crevette | seb128: sorry I don't get you ? | 22:11 |
| crevette | this is a new upstream release | 22:11 |
| seb128 | where are those shipped now? you said a new binary | 22:11 |
| crevette | ah no | 22:11 |
| crevette | this is into the bluetoothd binary | 22:12 |
| crevette | which is the service daemon | 22:12 |
| seb128 | the bluez source builds no such binary | 22:13 |
| seb128 | you mean the code is in the bin itself now? | 22:13 |
| crevette | dpkg -S bluetoothd | 22:15 |
| crevette | bluez: /usr/sbin/bluetoothd | 22:15 |
| crevette | bluez: /usr/share/man/man8/bluetoothd.8.gz | 22:15 |
| crevette | so bluetoothd is provided by bluez | 22:15 |
| crevette | and the plugin binary code is merged into the bluetoothd code at build time | 22:16 |
| crevette | for "hal" and "service" | 22:16 |
| crevette | don't ask me why | 22:16 |
| crevette | :) | 22:16 |
| crevette | I don't understand the rationale behind | 22:17 |
| crevette | I need to sleep | 22:19 |
| crevette | see you | 22:19 |
| seb128 | Laney: you could perhaps sponsor the change on #333462 too? | 22:32 |
| Laney | bug 333462 | 22:33 |
| Laney | oh, no bot | 22:33 |
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| Laney | I'll have to look at bluetooht properly later | 22:33 |
| seb128 | Laney: no hurry | 22:36 |
| Laney | is that patch upstream? | 22:39 |
| seb128 | I don't know | 22:41 |
| Laney | no worries, I'll ask | 22:41 |
| seb128 | I'm just trying to clean the sponsoring list a bit and I know we got several duplicates about this one since jaunty | 22:41 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - debian dropped the scrollkeeper build-dep from gnome-panel | 22:46 |
| chrisccoulson | but i cant get it to build without that | 22:46 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: did they add a --disable-scrollkeeper too? | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | and i can't get the debian source package to build in a sid pbuilder either | 22:47 |
| seb128 | what error do you get? | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | there's a --disable-scrollkeeper in debian/rules alreadyt | 22:47 |
| seb128 | what debian version did you try? | 22:47 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - http://paste.ubuntu.com/170986/ | 22:48 |
| chrisccoulson | this is with version 2.26.0-1 | 22:48 |
| chrisccoulson | it builds fine with scrollkeeper, and also builds with rarian-compat too | 22:49 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: http://experimental.debian.net/build.php?pkg=gnome-panel confirms that | 22:49 |
| chrisccoulson | i didn't know that existed | 22:49 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks:) | 22:49 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: debian do binary uploads whoever did the build and upload had it installed | 22:49 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson: the pts is useful | 22:50 |
| seb128 | http://packages.qa.debian.org/source | 22:50 |
| seb128 | where "source" is your source | 22:50 |
| seb128 | the buildd logs are on the right | 22:50 |
| seb128 | that's the "exp" in the list | 22:50 |
| chrisccoulson | that's useful to know | 22:51 |
| chrisccoulson | so we can't drop the build-dep on scrollkeeper then | 22:51 |
| seb128 | indeed | 22:53 |
| seb128 | but use rarian-compat rather | 22:53 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'll do that | 22:54 |
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