[09:17] <KhaaL> just to make sure, the meeting will begin in 1 hour 45 minutes?
[09:17] <ianto> KhaaL: Yeah :)
[09:17] <KhaaL> hey there man :]
[09:18] <ianto> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day=12&year=2009&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=0  That is when it will start, find your nearest city :)
[09:18] <KhaaL> oh, i did check that out... i just need to double and triple check in order to minimize Mr Murphys influence
[09:19] <KhaaL> (that is, murphys law)
[09:20] <ianto> Yeah I had a general guess as to what it meant ;)
[10:40] <amachu> persia: hi
[10:40] <persia> Hey.  20 minutes, right?
[10:41] <amachu> persia: yes..
[10:41] <amachu> just pinged
[10:59] <elky> persia, hai
[11:00] <amachu> persia: elky Belutz lifeless Hi
[11:00] <ianto> Hello to all
[11:00] <persia> elky, Yeh
[11:00] <elky> amachu, re-hi amachu
[11:01] <elky> i might be distracted, there's an influx of naughty people in the irc channels at the moment
[11:01] <KhaaL> Greetings!
[11:01] <pyc> howdy all and to the oceana board :)
[11:02] <amachu> Belutz: lifeless: you both are there?
[11:02] <dpm> hi all
[11:03] <amachu> zakame and theMuso din't turn out
[11:03] <TheMuso> amachu: Hi
[11:03] <lifeless> h
[11:03] <lifeless> i
[11:04] <amachu> TheMuso: Hey.. lost you
[11:04] <amachu> so we begin now
[11:04] <amachu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania
[11:04] <amachu> lifeless: Hi
[11:05] <TheMuso> We have one applicant, who doesn't appear to be here.
[11:05] <lifeless> 6 on the wiki page
[11:05] <TheMuso> oh sorry, misread
[11:05] <KhaaL> ianto ? he was here just a sec ago
[11:06] <lifeless> khan_coltech is not here
[11:06] <amachu> khanh_coltech: is not here
[11:06] <KhaaL> nvm then =)
[11:06] <amachu> pyc: Hi
[11:06] <ianto> KhaaL: I still am ;)
[11:06] <pyc> amchu hello :)
[11:06] <amachu> Please go ahead
[11:07] <pyc> who should go first
[11:07] <TheMuso> pyc: yourself.
[11:07] <pyc> hi, my name Loell Anthony Erecre
[11:08] <pyc> 27 years of age
[11:08] <pyc> currently employed at a marine services firm
[11:08] <pyc> i started using linux way back in 2003 and then used ubuntu in early 2005
[11:09] <pyc> i then joined ubuntuforums.org
[11:09] <pyc> this is where my contribution is mostly in
[11:09] <pyc> supporting users
[11:10] <pyc> by 2007, the Ubuntu philippine team requested that htier forum be hosted at ubuntuforums
[11:10] <pyc> so they chosed me as one of their moderators
[11:11] <pyc> from then on i managed the philippine loco forum
[11:11] <pyc> not only do i moderate, i also see to it that the philippine users recieved the quickest tech support
[11:11] <pyc> as i can. :)
[11:12] <pyc> i have been packaging gyachi a yahoo messaging client since 2006
[11:12] <pyc> made a PPA for its users to download
[11:13] <pyc> also made a third party web application, intefacing launchpad, for PPA search
[11:13] <pyc> the difference from of launchpad is users can see what packages other users searches
[11:14] <lifeless> to the other applicants tonight: please type up your descriptions in advance so you can copy paste
[11:14] <ianto> lifeless: noted!
[11:14] <pyc> i'm also involved in testing, i only manage to report only a few bugs though, since dapper :)
[11:15] <pyc> should i just copy paste my wiki then?
[11:15] <persia> No, we can see your wiki :)
[11:16] <pyc> ok :)
[11:16] <amachu> pyc: are there people here to support you?
[11:16] <Knightlust> yey for pyc!
[11:16] <pyc> heh ;)
[11:17] <lifeless> http://ppa-search.appspot.com/search?search_key_word=dmraid crashes ?
[11:17] <Belutz> amachu, i'm here
[11:17] <pyc> nope lifeless, its just launchpad was slow at responding ;)
[11:18] <persia> pyc, Have you taken any steps to get Gyachi available in the regular repositories?
[11:18] <pyc> persia: there is currently an effort in debian iirc
[11:20] <pyc> what else should i say, basically its all in the wiki
[11:20] <amachu> Knightlust: are you here for pyc
[11:20] <Knightlust> amachu: yes i am
[11:21] <pyc> and oh, i have also assited ubuntu cafe onwers in the philippines
[11:21] <amachu> Knightlust: say some words about pyc
[11:21] <Belutz> pyc, what offline activies that you do for ubuntu-ph?
[11:22] <pyc> Belutz: none really special
[11:22] <pyc> i mean i met ubuntu users in my locality
[11:22] <Knightlust> pyc's great in the forums
[11:22] <pyc> but haven't had the time to organize
[11:23] <pyc> that's one of my future goals
[11:23] <Belutz> pyc, please do that :)
[11:23] <pyc> yep, :)
[11:24] <pyc> i also do translations
[11:25] <amachu> elky: persia: lifeless: TheMuso: Belutz: lets take up voting
[11:25] <Belutz> +1 for me if he keeps his promise to do more offline activities
[11:25] <persia> There's a bunch of stuff, over a long period of time, but there's something missing for me.  I'm having trouble defining exactly what.
[11:26] <lifeless> me too
[11:27] <pyc> hmm
[11:27]  * TheMuso is not sure either./
[11:27] <elky> i'm along the same lines as persia. there's a scattering of most things, but it's hard for me to see the impact.
[11:27] <pyc> by impact you mean, in my locality?
[11:27] <pyc> should i gather more supporters
[11:28] <elky> no, overall.
[11:28] <persia> I think I'd like to see either a focus on something that shows a *lot* of stuff in that area, or more general support from some group (e.g. ubuntu-ph or ubuntu-forums, or ...).
[11:28] <amachu> pyc probaly created his own page at wiki, april last week, though he has been contributing for quite some time
[11:28] <amachu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/loell?action=info
[11:28] <pyc> ubuntu-ph is canonical's right?
[11:29] <persia> pyc, I don't think so, although canonical may be hosting the domain.
[11:29] <elky> nope, it's still on smurf's system
[11:29] <pyc> in defence i could not participate more particiapation with the site as canonical has not yet grant our request
[11:30] <elky> pyc, have you submitted a request to rt@ubuntu.com?
[11:30] <Knightlust> elky: yes we have
[11:30] <Knightlust> https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=4530
[11:31] <lifeless> so
[11:31] <lifeless> I think your develop activity is good
[11:31] <lifeless> the ppa search is nifty; though I'd never heard of it
[11:31] <pyc> has, my tech support in the forum not been enough?
[11:31] <pyc> lifeless: its a third party tool, its got hundreds of visitors a day
[11:32] <lifeless> pyc: I can see that its getting used, like I say its nifty but I hadn't heard of it :)
[11:32] <pyc> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/where-to-search-ubuntu-personal-package-archives-ppa.html
[11:33] <pyc> could you also look at how i answer in the forums?
[11:33] <pyc> surely i don't have 10,000 post like laroza
[11:33] <persia> pyc, I'm not sure it's accurate to say your forum activity isn't enough (3 posts/day for a few years is considerable), but more that there's no expression of support from others active in the same area saying you're a core part of the team.
[11:34] <elky> lifeless, i think what we're missing is the wider community impact. the stuff he's done would probably have more substantial if it was actually having an impact outside the select group who know of it
[11:34] <elky> s/have more/be more/
[11:34] <pyc> also, i'm not an irce person, i could expressmyself that fully
[11:35] <pyc> irc person so, see the lag at the question to that of my answers? yeah that shows too?
[11:35] <persia> elky, I'd be just as happy with "key core person for established subgroup" as "significant contributor for everyone", I'm just not quite seeing either.
[11:36] <lifeless> the forums are hard for me to guage
[11:36] <pyc> could i gather more user testimonial from the philippine team
[11:37] <elky> persia, yep
[11:37] <persia> Yeah.  Let's do it that way.  Get some more testimonials, focusing on some of the areas where you're most active, and come back.
[11:37] <elky> pyc, i think that might be the best course of action
[11:37] <lifeless> pros: you have a lot of :> on your forums summary, and you have been consistently active. Thats something we look for. cons: while you're packaging stuff to help your region, you don't seem engaged with getting it widely available e.g. through debian
[11:38] <pyc> its availabe too, in the upstream website
[11:38] <lifeless> ppa-search is also a little odd, as I can't see how to get the source, but its presumably not a revenue stream for you as it has no adverts that I coul see
[11:38] <pyc> do i need to push it in debian myself? if i have my hands tied with testing?
[11:38] <pyc> with the project
[11:39] <lifeless> you don't have to do anything; I'm giving you my feedback on what I see
[11:39] <persia> pyc, The request isn't that you do that, it's that without having done that, it's hard to count the development work as contributions to Ubuntu.
[11:40] <pyc> true
[11:40] <lifeless> I think you're doing a bunch of useful interesting stuff; helping on the forums is great, packaging is great, etc. But it needs a little more follow through for it to be done
[11:40] <persia> So, there's lots of stuff you might do, and perhaps only documentation would be enough, but we're looking for evidence of more signficant contribution.
[11:40] <pyc> though could make the developer email the board as testimonial?
[11:40] <pyc> could i?
[11:40] <lifeless> e.g. I had a dmraid bug in my new desktop. If I stopped when it worked for me, noone else would benefit.
[11:41] <persia> pyc, You could, but putting it on your wiki would be more useful.
[11:41] <persia> Also, as much as I think it's interesting to explore the reasons for this decision, I also think we're 41 minutes into the meeting, and ought consider the next candidate.
[11:41] <amachu> pyc: would like to know about your involvement with philippine loco..
[11:41] <elky> do we have other people waiting?
[11:41] <ziroday> yep
[11:41] <amachu> elky: we do
[11:42] <pyc> ok
[11:42] <ianto> Yeah :)
[11:42] <KhaaL> aye
[11:42] <amachu> Knightlust: I hope you are the Team Contact of the LoCo
[11:42] <Knightlust> amachu: I am now
[11:43] <amachu> Knightlust: you had mentioned really great and just on the forums?
[11:44] <amachu> in your endorsement for pyc, what do you mean by it
[11:44] <Knightlust> what can I say, he's great on the forums, and his user-support for the team's speaks for itself.
[11:45] <amachu> Knightlust: being the contact person would like to know from you his other contributions too, if any in your opinion
[11:46] <elky> this has been 45 minutes on the one person, can we please move on?
[11:46] <pyc> should i be preparing for next meeting then?
[11:46] <amachu> elky: yes..
[11:46] <pyc> ok
[11:46] <TheMuso> +0. I agree with persia, lifeless and elky.
[11:46] <elky> pyc, that'd be great.
[11:47] <amachu> I would give +1, but feel something is missing that binds all his contributions
[11:47] <lifeless> duct tape
[11:48] <persia> amachu, That's a good way to phrase it.
[11:48] <elky> lifeless, i think sabdfl requested we not do that to the community members any more.
[11:48] <lifeless> elky: awww
[11:49] <amachu> pyc: may be your physical involvement with community, I feel..
[11:50] <amachu> thats what I was expecting Knightlust, whether you have been doing something more than that in forums
[11:50] <lifeless> so, I have an hour slotted for this
[11:50] <elky> ziroday's turn
[11:50] <ziroday> Hi, I'm Nick and I've been using Ubuntu since Dapper and studying in Singapore. As mentioned on my wikipage (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NickHS) I'm a brainstorm moderator and work closely with my LoCo spreading Ubuntu as well as a couple of other bits and bobs.
[11:50] <ziroday> elky: thanks
[11:50] <amachu> elky: so we do not have 51% for loell
[11:50] <persia> amachu, Right.
[11:50] <elky> amachu, sadly not at this time.
[11:51] <amachu> pyc: Keep up the good work. Best wishes for next time
[11:51] <amachu> ziroday: go ahead
[11:51] <lifeless> ziroday: +1
[11:52] <ziroday> amachu: do you want me to repaste what I just said?
[11:52] <amachu> i noticed
[11:52] <ziroday> lifeless: woah, thanks :)
[11:52] <amachu> please continue
[11:52] <ziroday> sure, well the wikipage has most of it, brainstorm moderator, involved heavily with my loco, ubuntu terminal and some irc support
[11:53] <ziroday> should I get the people here to support me?
[11:53] <elky> i'm willing to give ziroday a big +1 from the outset. he's been a good force within the singapore local team with events at his uni including but not limited to software freedom day.
[11:53] <persia> ziroday, If you have people who haven't already written testimonials on your page, go ahead.
[11:53] <ziroday> elky: thanks
[11:53] <ziroday> persia: sure
[11:53] <hyperair> ziroday++
[11:54] <hyperair> he provides awesome support for ubuntu on irc.
[11:54] <persia> ziroday, You seem to do a fair bit with brainstorm and #ubuntu, but less so with Answers.  Any specific reasons for that?
[11:54] <hyperair> not just in #ubuntu-sg, but in #ubuntu, as well as many other loco channels.
[11:54] <ziroday> persia: I've never been very fond of ubuntuforums or answers, as I feel the approach is too impersonal
[11:55] <elky> he also keeps in touch with the other surrounding asian teams too
[11:55]  * GunbladeIV already wrote something on ziroday's wiki, but +1 from me as he is a big influence in ubuntu-sg loco
[11:55] <ziroday> persia: and I loved the brainstorm philosophy and being a new project it was a nice change
[11:55] <Belutz> ziroday, what would you do with your ubuntu membership if you're approved?
[11:55] <wickedpuppy> as a loco contact for Singapore team , I would also like to second elky in saying ziroday has been one of our most consistent and important members for our team.
[11:56] <ziroday> Belutz: besides scream around the house :)? I would most definitely try to get more ubuntu terminals in schools and organizations, many times I'm asked about my affiliation with ubuntu/canonical and if there is anything official
[11:56] <amachu> ziroday: links in "Contributions to Ubuntu" section of your wiki would make things easier
[11:56] <persia> ziroday, Also, you seem to be a contributor of solutions to brainstorm.  How many of those become bugs for implementation?
[11:56] <ziroday> amachu: apologies, anything you are looking for in  particular?
[11:57] <amachu> "Played a role in the recent Ubuntu Live! talk at the National University of Singapore" - is generic
[11:57] <amachu> What role you played, would help understanding better..
[11:57] <ziroday> persia: unfortunately very few, its one of the things I would like to fix in brainstorm as the leap from idea to implementation, however for my pet few ideas I do keep a close watch on them
[11:57] <ziroday> persia: i.e. slideshow on  the installer and plymouth amongst others
[11:57] <persia> On the ideas, or on bugs stemming from the ideas?
[11:57] <Belutz> ziroday, how active is ubuntu-sg loco?
[11:57] <ziroday> persia: keeping the ideas updated with new information, so yes that would include linking to the bug report
[11:58] <persia> I'm satisfied.  +1 from me.
[11:58] <ziroday> amachu: sure, I was there as tech support as well as helping users get ubuntu on there thumbdrives, as usual it didn't run smoothly
[11:58] <ziroday> Belutz: not as active as I would of liked it to be, we ran for approved status ~8 months ago and are still working towards that goal
[11:58] <TheMuso> +1 also. Great work.
[11:59] <wickedpuppy> Belutz, we are active seasonally. we have had SFD and representation in LUGS(Linux User Group of Singapore) for intra distro events and general Opensource events
[11:59] <DaveCo> sorry, i am late. i am here in support of ziroday
[11:59] <ziroday> TheMuso: persia thanks!
[11:59] <ianto> Just a quick question, can normal people instead of Ubuntu members give testimonials as well?
[11:59] <DaveCo> ziroday has helped me (i am a new ubuntu user) with many things, from installing on tricky hardware, to trouble shooting graphics problems. Also, he is nearly allways on IRC, and seems to always find time to help me with Ubuntu, no matter how small the problem. He has not just solve the problem for me, but he has also shown me what he was doing in order for me gain a better knowledge of Ubuntu
[11:59] <hyperair> if ziroday becomes an ubuntu member, he'll be ubuntu-sg's first.
[11:59] <hyperair> so i'd reckon that yes, normal people can give testimonials.
[12:00] <ianto> hyperair: Thanks for the response
[12:00] <hyperair> np.
[12:00] <Belutz> +1 from me
[12:01] <amachu> Please update the wiki, for me to give +1
[12:01] <amachu> :-)
[12:01] <ziroday> amachu: sure, is there anything you're looking for in particular? I'll add pics and better descriptions to the loco events
[12:02] <Belutz> ziroday, congratulations :)
[12:02] <amachu> ziroday: that would do good..
[12:02] <Belutz> ziroday, more offline events are good :)
[12:03] <ziroday> Belutz: yep
[12:03] <amachu> so Belutz, persia, elky, persia, lifeless all +1 for ziroday?
[12:03] <elky> yep
[12:03] <Belutz> amachu, yup
[12:03] <GunbladeIV> w0ot w0ot ziroday
[12:04] <persia> indeed.
[12:04] <amachu> Welcome ziroday!
[12:04] <ziroday> amachu: thanks!
[12:04] <ziroday> and thanks to the board members
[12:05] <amachu> KhaaL: your turn, and please go ahead..
[12:05] <KhaaL> amachu, thank you
[12:05] <Belutz> ziroday, hope ubuntu-sg can work together with ubuntu-id and ubuntu-my :)
[12:05] <KhaaL> Hello all. I don't know if me coming here is a waste of your time since I have no established ubuntu member to speak for me and most of my work has been unrecorded, but I'll give it a shot... beware of incoming text!
[12:05] <ziroday> Belutz: definitely, we work somewhat with -my currently, but that's probably a discussion better suited for #ubuntu-locoteams
[12:05] <KhaaL> First some background... I started with linux as early as RH 6.2 which I got installed thanks to my first linux book by John Maddog Hall (I think). All was good until my external modem got fried by a lightning and I had to fall back to a winmodem, which forced me back to windows for a while. At that time I studied A+ certification by my own, studied electronics in the swedish equivalent of high school and I even worked part-time as a IT techie
[12:06] <lifeless> amachu: I have to go; sorry.
[12:06] <Belutz> ziroday, great :)
[12:06] <KhaaL> Today however I neither work in IT field nor do I use RH.I've used ubuntu since 3 years and I'm finishing my social work studies in 3 weeks and I get in contact with a lot of people and organizations that work on a minimal budget - even limited hardware, where the difference between LXDE and XFCE is HUGE.
[12:06] <KhaaL> And this is what I do mostly, I work on the field and engage people in the ubuntu mentality. Let them try it out with no strings, and with my free support if something goes haywire. I've also written an article that explains the mentality behind FOSS and ubuntu (in swedish) where I hand out to people if they want to gain a deeper understanding, and so far I've managed to get four people this year to use it full time (which has been tricky, eve
[12:06] <amachu> lifeless: ok. thanks for participating..
[12:07] <amachu> RH?
[12:07] <amachu> Redhat?
[12:07] <KhaaL> exactly :-)
[12:08] <KhaaL> Besides that, I do online contributions aswell. I do bugreports and follow them through. I engage in discussions and give support in ubuntu forums. I am engaged in brainstorm when I think of improvement for something. And when I see a wiki page that needs correction/improvement, I do that. I belive in ubuntu and FOSS because I think a contribution there is a contribution to everyone. its philantropy, but on a digital level.
[12:08] <Belutz> KhaaL, are you involved in any LoCo?
[12:08] <KhaaL> Belutz, no I have not
[12:09] <Belutz> KhaaL, this might be a dumb question, but, where are you from? Swedish nationality?
[12:10] <amachu> KhaaL: +0 form me this time.. appear you have started doing good.. but need more..
[12:10] <persia> KhaaL, I think you're on entirely the right track, but have a bit farther to go before you get there.  Whether you end up doing lots more in testing, development, advocacy, documentation, or what not is up to you :)
[12:10] <KhaaL> Belutz, well i'm iraqi originally, but born in kuwait, and have lived in sweden since -92
[12:10] <elky> i agree with amachu. i strongly advise getting into your loco crowd, they'll help you along heaps.
[12:11] <Belutz> yes, involvement in a LoCo would gain a plus from me
[12:11] <TheMuso> Agreed. You are on the right track, but probably need a bit more to show that you are making a continued and sustained contribution. +0
[12:11] <amachu> Belutz: TheMuso: your comments?
[12:11] <Belutz> KhaaL, +0 from me this time
[12:12] <amachu> KhaaL: Best wishes for the future
[12:12] <KhaaL> I understand, thank you for your time.
[12:12] <amachu> dpm: so its your turn now..
[12:12] <persia> We hope to see you back in a couple months.
[12:12] <dpm> amachu, thanks
[12:12] <dpm> My name is David Planella
[12:12] <dpm> I started using Ubuntu in the Hoary release
[12:13] <dpm> Back then my main contributions were in the forums and in bug reporting
[12:13] <dpm> After a while I started getting more and more involved in Ubuntu translations
[12:13] <dpm> This continued involvement lead me to take the responsibility of coordinating the Catalan Translation team (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCatalanTranslators), part of the Catalan Loco
[12:13] <dpm> This task involves documenting and keeping up to date the localized information on the translation process in the wiki, the assignment of tasks and appointment of new members in the team.
[12:13] <dpm> Also forwarding any relevant information from the general ubuntu-translators list to our Catalan translators.
[12:13] <dpm> This hasn't stopped me from doing translation work though. I still translate Ubuntu packages and I'm involved with other upstream translation teams (GNOME, Debian, OO.o) in order to ensure a smooth workflow and communication
[12:13] <dpm> I also participate regularly in the discussions on the ubuntu-translators list. As an example of my contributions, I created the Intrepid translation issues page as a summary to keep track of the most relevant localization issues in that release https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/IntrepidTranslationIssues.
[12:14] <dpm> This lead other community members to build upon this initiative and continue extending it for the next release https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslatingUbuntu/JauntyTranslationIssues
[12:14] <dpm> I recently held an OpenWeek session which I've just realised is not yet on my wiki page -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekJaunty/DemythifyingLaunchpadTranslations
[12:14] <elky> +1
[12:14] <TheMuso> 8/c
[12:14] <TheMuso> woops
[12:14] <dpm> I have also quite recently joined the Community team at Canonical as the Ubuntu Translations Coordinator, where
[12:14] <dpm> I will be helping our translations community grow and I'll be working with translation teams to build best practices around translations
[12:14] <dpm> With that in mind, I am currently gathering feedback from the translations community though a survey https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-May/002477.html
[12:14] <dpm> The UDS will also be a great opportunity to meet other translators and hear what they have to say. This time we'll have a solid representation on translations there -> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/community-a/
[12:15] <dpm> that was the introduction
[12:15] <persia> +1 from me.  Good history in translations, excellent testimonials.  Nice work with answers.
[12:16] <amachu> the contributions are clear +1 from me..
[12:16] <amachu> whats your e-mail id?
[12:16] <TheMuso> +1 as well. Great work!
[12:17] <amachu> is it possible to get at ubuntu dot com without becoming member?
[12:17] <amachu> persia: elky: others: any comments?
[12:17] <elky> nope
[12:18] <persia> I think the email address was overly anticipatory, but I'm standing by my earlier +1/
[12:18] <Belutz> +1 from me
[12:18] <amachu> persia: i understood..
[12:18] <amachu> dpm: your comments?
[12:19] <franki^> hi :)
[12:19] <amachu> dpm: are you there?
[12:19] <ianto> franki^: Hi, in just a moment, its someone else's turn before me ;)
[12:19] <dpm> amachu: yes, I'm just slow in typing
[12:19] <franki^> ooh, sorry if i interrupted
[12:20] <amachu> dpm: Welcoming you and keep rocking...
[12:20] <dpm> Thank you very much to the board for the positive vote!
[12:20] <amachu> ianto: your turn now
[12:20] <dpm> and for your time, I'm really looking forward to keep translations rocking
[12:20] <Belutz> dpm, congratulations :)
[12:20] <ianto> Hello my name is Christopher Swift and I am from Wales (I can't attend the EMEA board tonight). I am currently 17 years of age and I have been involved in Ubuntu since 2006 (Dapper).
[12:21] <ianto> I have actively been involved in the UK LoCo over the past year attending events such as the Global Bugjam (Feb '09) in London and helping in part to transcribe the Ubuntu-UK podcast, I wrote an article in February regarding the uupc and how to transcribe for it (http://ubuntu-uk.org/bugjam09/). I have also spent some time on packaging and training to become a MOTU (one of my dreams after I finalise Ubuntu-Cym) as you can see some of the packages that I hav
[12:21] <ianto> Over the past 2 months I have really been focusing my work on Ubuntu Cymru (Cymru is Wales in Welsh), a LoCo group for Wales https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam . I have been the acting Point of Contact from the start of the group and on Sunday we will be getting the results of the election (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WelshTeam/Election).
[12:21] <ianto> For Ubuntu Cymru I have been emailing many different persons and groups to help further the advancement of our current progress as a team. One of my public examples can be found here: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=5280 . I have also been trying to get a Welsh subforum (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1113818) as well as a website (I have had the -EU guys register ubuntu-cym.org but I am still awaiting a DNS key). I am very active and
[12:21] <ianto> Some other contributions that I have made are translations in launchpad in Welsh & British English and also I help bug-triage from time-to-time.
[12:21] <dpm> amachu: regarding on the e-mail question, it was a technical mistake from my part
[12:21] <ianto> Locally I am known as an Ubuntu and OSS advocate who has helped with the Ubuntu installation of Welsh users in the region of 20 users this month alone. I am always available at any time to offer support and installation solutions for free to any user who requests it either locally, over the telephone, email or on IRC. Just 30 minutes ago I finished writing a letter to one of the -cym members who wanted to have a disc and a few Ubuntu stickers (a lot of whic
[12:21] <ianto> If there are any further questions, then please just ask!
[12:21] <amachu> dpm: understood and my best wishes..
[12:21] <ianto> I have with me franki^ & brobostigon who wish to give a testimonial (franki just updated my wiki with one)
[12:23] <ianto> Neither of whom are Ubuntu members but are involved in the community ^
[12:24] <brobostigon> well, ianto helps alot of people with ubuntu, both in wales and in the whole of the uk, but i think te thing that stands out for me, is setting the welsh loco.
[12:24] <ianto> brobostigon: Thanks for the comment :)
[12:25] <brobostigon> its alot of hard work,
[12:25] <Belutz> ianto, what would you do with your ubuntu membership if you're approved?
[12:25] <ianto> Belutz: I understand that as an Ubuntu member I have rights to business/contact cards with Ubuntu on it. This way I can hand out cards to people about the Welsh LoCo team without breaking any trademarks
[12:26] <Belutz> ianto, are there any offline activies that you do to establish Welsh LoCo?
[12:27] <ianto> Belutz: Yeah, we've had a release party and I am always advocating to people in real life about Ubuntu. I'm currently thinking of setting up a bugjam in Wales at the moment and will carry the notion forward in our next meeting (which will be organised after Sunday's results)
[12:28] <elky> ianto, what brings you all the way out of your own time zone to this membership board?
[12:28] <ianto> elky: I have work at 9pm GMT and can't attend the meeting for the EMEA
[12:28] <elky> where do you work?
[12:29] <ianto> I work in a hardware store, B&Q night-shift
[12:29] <elky> computer hardware?
[12:29] <Belutz> ianto, if you're not approved today, would it make it hard to establish the LoCo?
[12:29] <ianto> No, gardening and building and home-improvement stuff
[12:30] <ianto> Belutz: It wouldn't make it hard but I'm hoping the card permissions will make it easier to distribute info via word of mouth
[12:31] <amachu> how many other than you and darius are with Welsh team
[12:32] <ianto> amachu: There are roughly 25 in launchpad and 15 in IRC
[12:33] <Belutz> ianto, i would prefer if you come back again after you establish the LoCo
[12:33] <elky> it's a good start, but im not convinced yet. +0
[12:34] <ianto> Belutz: What do you recommend that needs to be done?
[12:34] <amachu> ianto: well I feel he is doing good.. +1 considering the overall activities..
[12:34] <TheMuso> Neither am I. I'd like to knwo what packages you are working on for one.
[12:34] <amachu> persia: TheMuso ?
[12:34] <persia> I'm in agreement here.  I'd like to either see Ubuntu Cymru be started, or more somewhere else.
[12:34] <persia> (+0)
[12:34] <TheMuso> +0 also
[12:35] <amachu> ianto: the translations section could give more links in proof of it
[12:36] <Belutz> ianto, gather more supporters, create a long term planning for the loco, and make more offline activities to promote ubuntu
[12:36] <ianto> What do you mean by "be started"? I've been waiting over 2 months for Canonical sysadmins to reply to my ticket in RT ;/, we have done a lot since then. What do you want dome? :)
[12:36] <amachu> and does Wales has a separate language? the wiki of Welsh Team says so.. any any plans of working for it?
[12:37] <elky> ianto, i dont want to see your temper.
[12:37] <persia> I'm confused.  I thought LoCo officialness was granted by the LoCo council.  If it's just the case of the Canonical Sysadmins not having done something, I'd by +1.
[12:37] <ianto> amachu: Wales sure does have a separate language, Welsh :). https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/~chris is some of translations work :)
[12:37] <ianto> elky: I'm sorry, I didn't realise that I was being aggressive :-/
[12:37] <elky> ianto, i see one word in welsh
[12:37] <amachu> ianto: they would like to see Welsh Team under Approved LoCo Teams
[12:38] <ianto> amachu: Ah right OK then, that takes lots of months of work :)
[12:38] <ianto> elky: If you could hold on for one moment, I'll find my Welsh translations (they aren't all appearing in that linked I've shown)
[12:39] <amachu> ianto: Keep up the good work and are there people from UK-LoCo to support you
[12:39] <ianto> amachu: brobostigon is from the UK LoCo and franki^ is a member of both -cym and -uk
[12:39] <amachu> ianto: ok. I wish you all the best next time around.
[12:40] <Belutz> ianto, keep up the good work, hope to see ubuntu-cym to be listed in approved LoCo team
[12:40] <ianto> amachu: OK then thanks :)
[12:40] <amachu> ianto: Best wishes for Welsh Team too..
[12:41] <ianto> I'm having troubles on that link for you elky, I've translated a bit of Ubuntu and a lot of the Gnome-Do project into Welsh, I've switched around usernames so it's playing up on the db
[12:41] <ianto> But I guess it's an overall +0 anyway? :)
[12:42] <amachu> Belutz: elky: TheMuso: On the new member to the Board, I would like to have you opinion on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZhengPengHou
[12:43] <persia> Let's put that formally on the agenda, if we're going to discuss it here.  freeflying isn't here to answer questions.
[12:43] <TheMuso> agreed. I am not phased either way actually.
[12:44] <amachu> persia: thats fine
[12:44] <elky> it's only polite to give him the opportunity to be here if we're discussing in public.
[12:45] <amachu> elky: TheMuso: Belutz: reply to the thread on the mailing list
[12:45] <TheMuso> ok
[12:45] <Belutz> amachu, ok, will do that
[12:46] <amachu> Thank you everyone for participating
[12:47] <KhaaL> thank you for holding the meeting
[12:48] <amachu> Our next meeting will be on 26 May 09, 10.00 UTC
[12:48] <ianto> Thanks for the opportunity to apply :-)
[12:48] <Belutz> amachu, elky, TheMuso, persia: thanks :)
[12:48] <TheMuso> np
[12:48] <elky> thanks amachu
[12:48] <Belutz> for all the candidates, thanks for being here and keep up the good work
[12:52] <boyet> i missed the meeting is over?
[12:52] <persia> boyet, Yep.
[12:52] <boyet> when is the next
[12:52] <KhaaL> 26 May 09, 10.00 UTC
[12:53] <boyet> is it all about the membership?
[12:53] <Knightlust> yeah
[12:54] <boyet> oi dax ikaw ba to, are we allowed to speak our langauge?
[12:54] <Knightlust> boyet: no, english only channel. let's get back to #ubuntu-ph
[12:54] <boyet> so may 29 is the next round
[12:58] <persia> May 26th.
[15:56] <zul> |o
[15:58] <sommer> high everybody :-)
[15:59]  * mathiaz waves
[15:59] <nealmcb> sommer: heigh ho!
[15:59] <kirkland> o/
[15:59] <ttx> o/
[15:59]  * coffeedude lifts a toast to mathiaz 
[15:59]  * nealmcb waves at coffeedude
[15:59]  * coffeedude remembers it is 10am local time for him....
[15:59]  * coffeedude hubs nealmcb 
[16:00]  * coffeedude maybe shouldn't be toasting.....
[16:00] <ttx> Hubbing is bad.
[16:00] <nealmcb> coffeedude: wanna get hitched in iowa?
[16:00] <coffeedude> hugs.....meant hugs....
[16:00] <coffeedude> nealmcb, LOL!@
[16:00] <nealmcb> usb hubs?
[16:00] <coffeedude> I've had a long few days.
[16:00] <leoquant> ツ
[16:00] <ttx> coffeedude: what's your status wrt coming to UDS ?
[16:00] <nealmcb> we can dance the samba!
[16:01] <mathiaz> all right - let's get started
[16:01] <mathiaz> #startmeeting
[16:01] <coffeedude> ttx, not going to make it.  Triple booked on dev work.  But I will start on the likewise-open 5.2 packages for Karmic this week.  Also will fix the upgrade from 4.1 issue.
[16:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz.
[16:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:02] <mathiaz> last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090505
[16:02] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Merges
[16:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Merges
[16:03] <mathiaz> I've published a list of merges that look easy
[16:03] <mathiaz> http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/hungry-for-merges-the-ubuntu-server-team-has-a-selection-for-your-appetite/
[16:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuserver.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/hungry-for-merges-the-ubuntu-server-team-has-a-selection-for-your-appetite/
[16:03] <mathiaz> I've also updated the Roadmap with the list
[16:03] <ttx> I confirm that the tomcat6 remerge there is very easy for a beginner.
[16:03] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[16:04] <mathiaz> So anyone interested in the merge process can start by these
[16:04] <dendrobates_> o/
[16:04] <mathiaz> The technical level shouldn't be high and will help in understanding the merge process itself.
[16:05] <mathiaz> And once all the merges on the list are done, MoM has the full list
[16:05] <mathiaz> https://merges.ubuntu.com/
[16:05]  * RoAkSoAx waves
[16:06] <mathiaz> As of now there are 227 outstanding merges in main 363 outstanding merges in universe
[16:06] <mathiaz> enough to keep us busy for a while :)
[16:06] <mathiaz> any questions related to the merge process?
[16:07]  * nijaba is late: o/
[16:07] <coffeedude> mathiaz, where does the MIT krb5 1.7 packaging fall in this?
[16:07] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] MIT krb5 1.7
[16:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  MIT krb5 1.7
[16:08] <mathiaz> coffeedude: so krb5 1.7 has been synced from debian
[16:08] <coffeedude> mathiaz, but is still in beta correct?
[16:08] <mathiaz> coffeedude: yes
[16:08] <mathiaz> coffeedude: 1.7 is still in beta according to upstream
[16:08] <mathiaz> coffeedude: debian has moved 1.7 to unstable though
[16:08] <mathiaz> the libkrb53 transition has started in karmic
[16:09] <coffeedude> mathiaz, I can start looking at local patches for likewise-open to work against the 1.7 code but can't officially move to it until it is released.
[16:09] <mathiaz> for now we're not doing anything special - we're just relying on the debian autoimport to rebuild the packages
[16:09] <mathiaz> coffeedude: understood.
[16:09] <coffeedude> mathiaz, so an 'apt-get install libkrb53' in karmix will get you 1.7 though correct?
[16:09] <mathiaz> coffeedude: we can talk with the MIT devs about their plan for 1.7
[16:09] <coffeedude> s/karmix/karmic/
[16:10] <mathiaz> coffeedude: nope - libkrb53 is no longer there
[16:10] <mathiaz> coffeedude: libkrb5-4 is the new package name IIRC
[16:10] <coffeedude> mathiaz, Ahh....ok.  But that's what you get from 'apt-get install i-want-the-krb5-client-libs-pkg-name'
[16:10] <coffeedude> mathiaz, that's all I needed to know I think.
[16:11] <mathiaz> coffeedude: you want libkrb5-3
[16:11] <mathiaz> coffeedude: libkrb53 is still in karmic because some packages are still depending on it
[16:12] <mathiaz> coffeedude: however libkrb53 will disappear from karmic once the transition is completed
[16:12] <coffeedude> mathiaz, understood.
[16:13]  * nealmcb is surprised to see that single-des seems to still be supported by default for the previous release of kerberos
[16:13] <mathiaz> great - the MIT devs will be at UDS - so we can talk to them about their release plan
[16:13] <mathiaz> anything else related to krb7 1.7?
[16:14] <mathiaz> hm - *krb5*
[16:14] <coffeedude> mathiaz, I'm good.
[16:15] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Karmic Alpha1
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Karmic Alpha1
[16:15] <mathiaz> so we're preparing the alpha1 release of Karmic
[16:15] <mathiaz> scheduled for this Thursday
[16:15] <mathiaz> that means some iso testing will be conducted in the coming days
[16:15] <mathiaz> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:15] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[16:16] <mathiaz> ^^ will track the list of candidates
[16:17] <mathiaz> Any help in this area is welcome
[16:17] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] UDS
[16:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  UDS
[16:17] <mathiaz> so we're also preparing for UDS
[16:17] <mathiaz> schedule to happen in 2 weeks in the lovely city of Barcelona, Spain
[16:18] <mathiaz> dendrobates: anything to say on this topic?
[16:18] <dendrobates> mathiaz: this UDS will be a little different.
[16:18] <dendrobates> we have 2 session rooms and a break out room
[16:18] <dendrobates> so that means twice as many sessions.
[16:19] <dendrobates> I have just received notice, that they will be randomizing the rooms.
[16:19] <soren> Hahah!
[16:19] <dendrobates> so, we will not just get to sit in the same room, and it may be a little complicated figuring out where to go.
[16:20]  * sommer likes to setup camp
[16:20] <dendrobates> soren: I'm not kidding.
[16:20] <ttx> sommer: like a good sniper :)
[16:20] <zul> randomizing?
[16:21] <ttx> zul: you have to solve a riddle to get to the right room.
[16:21]  * mathiaz thinks that will help to get some physical exercise done during the summit
[16:21] <dendrobates> zul:  yes, that;s when things change in an unpredictable way.
[16:21] <nijaba> zul: and it prevents people from falling asleep too long
[16:21] <zul> ttx: like monty python and the holy grail?
[16:21]  * kirkland hopes for a broken RNG
[16:22] <mathiaz> dendrobates: will the rooms schedule be published before UDS?
[16:22] <dendrobates> As usual I will buy a beer for any server team community team members that show up.
[16:22] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I sure hope so.
[16:22] <ogra> mathiaz, its on lp since weeks
[16:22] <mathiaz> dendrobates: s/community//g
[16:22] <ttx> mathiaz: well, we are part of the community, so we get a beer as well.
[16:23] <mathiaz> ogra: I meant the rooms where the discussion are taking place
[16:23] <nijaba> ttx: can I get a coke instead?
[16:23] <ogra> mathiaz, me too :)
[16:23] <dendrobates> ogra: without the randomization, though.
[16:23] <mathiaz> IIUC we'll have to change physical room between discussion
[16:23] <dendrobates> ttx: maybe, sherry.
[16:24] <zul> dendrobates: do we get a homeroom a la high school?
[16:24] <dendrobates> we have plenty of open spaces and a breakout room for adhoc discussions.
[16:24] <dendrobates> zul: that is a good question/idea.
[16:25] <ogra> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/ for reference
[16:25] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-karmic/ for reference
[16:26] <mathiaz> ok - any other questions related to UDS?
[16:26] <dendrobates> please note that the sessions can still move around.
[16:28] <ScottK> It's nice that it highlights the ones I'm signed up for ....
[16:28] <kirkland> it's a great list of sessions so far!
[16:29] <mathiaz> there are some free slots left
[16:29] <ttx> kirkland: the server rooms have some of the busiest schedule around.
[16:30] <mathiaz> I'd suggest to go through the server-a and server-b schedule and make sure the topic you wanna talk about are scheduled somewhere
[16:31] <mathiaz> all right - any other ideas/comments/rants about UDS?
[16:32] <mathiaz> nope - let's move one
[16:32] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[16:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[16:33] <mathiaz> Any other question/ideas?
[16:33] <gourgi> any plans for this in karmic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebMirrorManager  ?
[16:34] <nijaba> gourgi: there is a talk about such a tool in the platform session
[16:34] <nijaba> gourgi: mvo is leading it IIRC
[16:34] <mathiaz> nijaba: what's the blueprint?
[16:35] <nijaba> mathiaz: hold on
[16:35]  * mathiaz doesn't move
[16:35] <nijaba> mathiaz: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-karmic-repository-management
[16:36] <mathiaz> nijaba: great - thanks for the link
[16:36] <nijaba> oh, I forgot s/platform/foundations/
[16:36] <gourgi> nijaba thank you
[16:36] <nijaba> np
[16:37] <mathiaz> nijaba: I've updated the wiki page to point to the new blueprint in LP
[16:37] <mathiaz> nijaba: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebMirrorManager
[16:37] <nijaba> mathiaz: and I signalled the existence of this bp to mvo
[16:37] <mathiaz> nijaba: right - we already talked about it during the Prague UDS
[16:37] <nijaba> corrext
[16:38] <mathiaz> Anything else?
[16:40] <zul> nope
[16:41] <kirkland> mathiaz: I thought I'd mention to this group that screen-profiles has been renamed to 'byobu'
[16:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: thanks to this group for all the feedback given during screen-profiles-1.x cycle, here's to an even better byobu-2.0 :-)
[16:43] <mathiaz> kirkland: awesome - how did you find the new name?
[16:44] <coffeedude> "bring your own bottled ubuntu" ?
[16:44] <ttx> coffeedude: almost
[16:44] <gourgi> kirkland i love byobu, i'm gonna translate it in greek soon.
[16:44] <nijaba> byobu is an ancient japenese term....
[16:44] <kirkland> mathiaz: nijaba is right!
[16:45] <kirkland> it's a japanese term for elegant folding room dividers, aka folding screens
[16:45] <gourgi> kirkland also server-guide needs update about byobu http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/screen-profiles.html
[16:45] <kirkland> i think this is appropriate, since this is really just a fancier frontend to screen itself
[16:45] <kirkland> gourgi: thanks a lot!  i'm hoping very much to focus on internationalization of byobu for Karmic
[16:45] <kirkland> this will require help from all you non-english speakers :-)
[16:46] <gourgi> kirkland i know, i follow your ppa and blog pretty often
[16:46] <mathiaz> kirkland: you don't speak non-english?
[16:46] <kirkland> gourgi: great
[16:46] <kirkland> mathiaz: i do plan on translating it into Texan, Cajun, and Latin :-P
[16:46] <kirkland> (my other lingos)
[16:46] <kirkland> heh
[16:47] <nijaba> kirkland: I'll do parisian and FR_sl then....
[16:47] <mathiaz> allright -anything else?
[16:47] <kirkland> mathiaz: thanks!
[16:48] <zul> meeting next week?
[16:48] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:48] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:48] <nijaba> just before UDS?  seems tough....
[16:48] <mathiaz> so most of us will be traveling next week
[16:48] <mathiaz> on tuesday
[16:49] <mathiaz> so I suggest we cancel the meeting next week
[16:49] <mathiaz> and then there will be UDS
[16:49] <mathiaz> in two weeks
[16:49] <mathiaz> so I suggest to cancel the meeting in two weeks as well
[16:50] <mathiaz> that brings us to Tuesday June 2nd
[16:50] <mathiaz> so next meeting: Tuesday June 2nd, same place, same time?
[16:50]  * nealmcb will miss you all!
[16:51]  * gourgi hopes for good news from UDS about the local mirrors management :)
[16:51] <kirkland> mathiaz: ack
[16:51] <mathiaz> nealmcb: you can tune in during the UDS discussions
[16:51] <nealmcb> I'll be at google i/o playing with android
[16:52] <nealmcb> but may be able to tune in for a few
[16:53] <mathiaz> all right then
[16:53] <ttx> nealmcb: Tunein, you'll enjoy the incredible audio lag :)
[16:54] <mathiaz> next meeting in three weeks, Tue Jun 2nd, 15:00 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting
[16:54] <mathiaz> thanks for attending
[16:54] <mathiaz> and happy travels to Spain for some of you :)
[16:54] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:55] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:54.
[16:55]  * coffeedude waves to *.  See you back on #ubuntu-server
[16:55] <sommer> later on all
[16:57] <andresmujica1> hi!
[16:57] <bdmurray> andresmujica1: hello
[16:57] <hggdh> hey-llo
[16:57] <andresmujica1> :)
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Hello
[16:58] <pedro_> hello folks
[16:58] <andresmujica1> so.. all the command stuff for the bot, who can be in charge of that?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> Whoever chairs the meeting
[16:59] <mkorn> hi
[17:00] <andresmujica1> ok, so if i'm the one who asked for it, i should do it..  np.. hope to do it OK
[17:00] <andresmujica1> ok, let's start this everyone is here for the bugsquad first monthly meeting right?
[17:00] <micahg> yep :)
[17:01] <pedro_> andresmujica1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot ;-)
[17:01] <andresmujica1> great!
[17:01] <andresmujica1> #startmeeting
[17:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is andresmujica1.
[17:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:01] <andresmujica1> ok
[17:02] <andresmujica1> let's put our first proposed topic
[17:02] <andresmujica1> before that the proposed agenda is here
[17:02] <andresmujica1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Meeting
[17:02]  * pedro_ looking
[17:03] <andresmujica1> [TOPIC] Rationale behind this Meeting -- andresmujica
[17:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Rationale behind this Meeting -- andresmujica
[17:03] <andresmujica1> Some weeks ago an email wass sent to bugsquad/bugcontrol mailing list proposing a formal meeting for bugsquad members
[17:04] <andresmujica1> the main objective for this meeting is to improve our triaging duties, help us each other, identifying some needed tasks, and everything that you may consider would benefit us as a team
[17:05] <andresmujica1> so i wonder what the members think about this?
[17:05] <andresmujica1> why are the expectations? and thoughts?
[17:05] <andresmujica1> s/why/which/
[17:06] <hggdh> presonally, I consider it a good idea -- not only for -control, but for any other triager that wants to get involved in triaging
[17:06] <pedro_> I think it's a great way to improve the communication of the bugsquad itself, people can come to here and ask for help, be more involved with the team, etc
[17:07] <txwikinger_work> +1
[17:07] <andresmujica1> ohh, yes this is for every bugsquad member, even if they aren't member yet, this would be a great introduction i believe.
[17:07] <hggdh> even with the wiki, there are always questions on procedure, and they could be if not addressed here, at least discussed
[17:07] <pedro_> so it's going to be a monthly meeting?
[17:07] <andresmujica1> not only control, but one of the ideas is to help introduce to the team new members.
[17:07] <bdmurray> I think some issues should have a wider audience, perhaps the mailing list, than just this meeting though.
[17:08] <andresmujica1> the initial propose was to held it monthly..
[17:08] <andresmujica1> bdmurray: you believe this can overlap with mailing list or idle time at the channel??
[17:10] <bdmurray> I just think that due to the wide variety of time zones that bug squad members inhabit some issues are best discussed on the mailing list as opposed in a meeting a specific time that not everyone may be able to attend.
[17:10] <hggdh> bdmurray, I agree -- the meeting is not enough. Overlapping with idle time in #ubuntu-bugs does not help, if the pieces of userful information are spread through time
[17:11] <andresmujica1> yea i believe that too.  Maybe we should focus on certain topics that can be addressed here
[17:11] <andresmujica1> i wonder, as you had formal meetings in the past, why they're not active anymore?
[17:12] <thekorn> my (very) personal opinion is: don't start yet another meeting, why not using the QA meeting on wednesday for discussions around the bugsquad,
[17:13] <bdmurray> The QA meeting usually ends up taking most of the time alloted for it.
[17:13] <thekorn> we could even add a bi-weekly or monthly topic to the agend for bugsquad topics
[17:13] <andresmujica1> hmm that could be a good idea.
[17:14] <bdmurray> When looking at each topic I think it is important to evaluate the utility of discussing it in a meeting versus on the mailing list.
[17:14] <charlie-tca> If another meeting needs to be held, it should be kept within the allotted time.
[17:16] <hggdh> OK. I propose we finish this item on the mailing list; and move on
[17:16] <andresmujica1> OK.
[17:16] <hggdh> otherwise we will use all time to discuss if we are, or are not to have meetings
[17:16] <andresmujica1> But this item is important as it would determine if we are going to stablish a regular meeting or not.
[17:16] <thekorn> good idea
[17:16] <andresmujica1> yes.
[17:17] <bdmurray> Why don't we try to evaluate the appropriateness of each topic as they come up?
[17:17] <hggdh> +1
[17:17] <andresmujica1> +1
[17:17] <andresmujica1> ok so let's move with next topic.
[17:17] <andresmujica1> everyone agree?
[17:18] <pedro_> yeah, let's go on
[17:18] <hggdh> andresmujica1, you are the chair ;-)
[17:18] <andresmujica1> [TOPIC] New bug trends identified by triagers
[17:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug trends identified by triagers
[17:19] <andresmujica1> The idea to propose this topic is that as we are A LOT of triagers
[17:19] <andresmujica1> some of them had found some bug trends...
[17:19] <andresmujica1> for example
[17:19] <andresmujica1> as soon as Intrepid went out, cheese had a regression due to uvcvideo,
[17:19] <andresmujica1> and a lot of people were affected
[17:20] <andresmujica1> another example is X freeze bugs..
[17:20] <andresmujica1> so i believe that when a triager believes it has found some big issue, it can be discussed here to take apropiate measurements..
[17:21] <andresmujica1> don't know what you think?
[17:21] <pace_t_zulu> sorry i'm late, is this the BugSquad meeting?
[17:21] <hacktick> me too...
[17:21] <andresmujica1> pace_t_zulu: yes it is, welcome!
[17:21] <bdmurray> So this is a topic that may be best for the mailing list since more triagers will be able to comment on / act on the trend.
[17:21] <azimout> pace_t_zulu: yes it is
[17:21] <hacktick> hello everyone
[17:21] <pace_t_zulu> hello everyone, my name is John Haitas
[17:21] <hggdh> hum. I think that if a trend is perceived, the ML is the fastest way to get it out
[17:21] <azimout> andresmujica1: how would such a trend be discussed "here", if these meetings will be monthly?
[17:22] <pace_t_zulu> apologies for my tardiness.... i will sit back and listen
[17:22] <pedro_> if they found something that could be big , that should be raised on the ML, right?
[17:22] <pedro_> hggdh: +1
[17:22] <andresmujica1> yes, you're absolutely right.  So maybe we need more ML for this kind of issues?
[17:22] <hggdh> but we *could* have a wiki showing current trends
[17:22] <andresmujica1> have we ever do that?
[17:22] <pedro_> could we adopt what bdmurray said and send this to the ML rather?
[17:22] <micahg> wiki, or could maybe a section of brainstorm or something similar?
[17:23] <azimout> wiki sounds good...
[17:23] <bdmurray> Checking the wiki requires work on readers parts while an e-mail to the mailing list with show in their inbox
[17:23] <andresmujica1> yeap.. if it's a trend we need faster reaction...
[17:23] <micahg> people can subscribe to the wiki page
[17:23] <charlie-tca> This needs to be on the mailing list so action can happen fast enough
[17:24] <bdmurray> I'd propose summarizing the trend in the mailing list message and document it at a wiki page
[17:24] <andresmujica1> OK.
[17:24] <hggdh> the ML should always be used to communicate a trend; the wiki can be used just as a consolidation
[17:24] <hggdh> bdmurray, +1 (you *are* a fast typist ;-)
[17:24] <andresmujica1> and we can have a consolidation page for each release cycle ?
[17:24] <charlie-tca> Agreed. Discussion should happen at mailing list level
[17:24] <hggdh> we can
[17:25] <pedro_> andresmujica1: that'd be ideal
[17:25] <bdmurray> I do think having a wiki page with infamous bugs for a release would be quite useful.
[17:25] <andresmujica1> [IDEA] New Trends discussion should happen at mailing list level
[17:25] <MootBot> IDEA received:  New Trends discussion should happen at mailing list level
[17:26] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[17:26] <azimout> how about automating this functionality in launchpad?
[17:26] <azimout> or is it already there?
[17:26] <hggdh> azimout, the idea is good, but this is a complex thing to get.
[17:26] <azimout> something like "bugs with most activity in the past 7 days"
[17:27] <bdmurray> azimout: Those usually end up already being known to the development team
[17:27] <hggdh> er, packages with the most bugs would be better
[17:27] <azimout> or "bugs with the most duplicates added in the past 7 days"
[17:27] <azimout> hggdh: with the most *new* bugs, you mean?
[17:28] <bdmurray> wrt bugs with the most duplicates this report may be helpful - http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/bugs-with-most-duplicates.html
[17:28] <hggdh> yes, for example. But I think this has to be more carefully considered, and it all falls into the wiki page bdmurray suggested
[17:29] <andresmujica1> well, but for the topic discussed, i believe that our work as team member is to report at the ML the trend identified, and then with the existing reports and experience of the people here we can confirm it
[17:29] <andresmujica1> to take the actions needed.
[17:30] <hggdh> +1. Layout of  wiki page should be discussed off-meeting, though
[17:30] <andresmujica1> ok.
[17:31] <andresmujica1> [IDEA] WIKI page consolidating new trends
[17:31] <MootBot> IDEA received:  WIKI page consolidating new trends
[17:31] <andresmujica1> [ACTION] Discuss the convenience or not of a Wiki page with bad bugs per cycle at the ML
[17:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Discuss the convenience or not of a Wiki page with bad bugs per cycle at the ML
[17:32] <andresmujica1> next topic then,
[17:32] <andresmujica1> [TOPIC] Bugs that need attention/help/mentoring
[17:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs that need attention/help/mentoring
[17:32] <andresmujica1> the discussion maybe would be similar to the previous one?
[17:33] <bdmurray> If you mean triage mentoring, like what should I do with bug X then again I think asking the question on the mailing list may be best.
[17:33] <thekorn> I think we have two ways for this bugs ask in #ubuntu-bugs or ask on the ML
[17:33] <bdmurray> This might also motivate other new triagers to ask questions if these types of questions are being asked on it.
[17:34] <hggdh> didn 't we reopen mentoring for triage?
[17:34] <bdmurray> hggdh: Do you mean the mentoring thing in Launchapd?
[17:34] <hggdh> bdmurray, yes
[17:34] <thekorn> great idea
[17:35] <thekorn> we would be the first team using it ;)
[17:35] <andresmujica1> :)
[17:35] <bdmurray> That's really more for fixing bugs than for triaging bugs.  Additionally, if I can mentor someone triaging bugs I can usually do the triaging faster than waiting for someone else.
[17:35] <bdmurray> Because the amount of time it takes to triage is usually significantly less than the time it takes to fix a bug.
[17:36] <micahg> well, I've had great help from the #ubuntu-bugs channel and hddgh in particular in learning how to triage
[17:36] <hggdh> well, yes. But this is a way for passing knowledge. I have been doing a lot if it lately
[17:36] <andresmujica1> that's right, however maybe we can somehow help new members with mentoring.. so they can triage more effectively the bugs
[17:36] <micahg> and I've been able to triage about 100 bugs since I started about 2 weeks ago
[17:36] <bdmurray> I think the right way to approach this is having people asking to help rather than looking at a bug and offering to help with it.
[17:36] <micahg> mentoring is a great help
[17:37] <azimout> can someone please paste the link to mentoring in LP?
[17:37] <hggdh> prehaps we should stress the -bugs as a channel for that
[17:37] <bdmurray> If I'm already looking at the bug I might as well work on it.
[17:37] <hggdh> (although this *is* the idea behind it)
[17:38] <azimout> i wanted to remind everyone that any advice on mentoring should also be added to the wiki, to avoid repeated questions
[17:38] <hggdh> bdmurray, I agree, and most of the times I am itching to get it done. But by leaving the work to the new triager, I am sure I end up helping more. But it *does* take much longer
[17:38] <micahg> it's the same with any training though
[17:38] <andresmujica1> mentoring as a way to get more bugs effectively triaged
[17:38] <micahg> initially you can do it faster yourself
[17:38] <bdmurray> And this is why I think we should promote people asking questions about the bugs they are looking at or find.
[17:38] <showard_> in my opinion, mentoring is helpful telling new people the tricks on how to triage efficiently and finding the bugs with highest impact. Wiki and -bugs can help single bugs
[17:38] <micahg> but eventually you have more hands to help
[17:38] <azimout> never mind: https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/Mentoring
[17:39] <hggdh> so. To summarise: do we do mentoring, or not?
[17:39] <bdmurray> I think mentoring is a valuable thing but marking bugs as mentoring offered is not.
[17:39] <andresmujica1> ok, so the mentoring model applyable here is at the channel
[17:39] <micahg> +1 bdmurray
[17:40] <micahg> except for fixing bugs as bdmurray mentioned in the beginning
[17:40] <hggdh> +1
[17:40] <azimout> +1
[17:40] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:40] <thekorn> +1 for passiv mentoring: answering questions on -bugs or on the mailinglist is the best way to do mentoring
[17:40] <txwikinger_work> +1
[17:40] <andresmujica1> ok
[17:40] <andresmujica1> everyone should be a mentor or we should distinguish them?
[17:41] <pedro_> I've created a page some time ago https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[17:41] <bencrisford> we could organise it like the MOTU do?
[17:41] <pedro_> where everybody on the bugcontrol team can add their self if they are willing to mentor someone
[17:42] <bdmurray> Putting irc nicks on that wiki page might help too
[17:42] <hggdh> this will imply that a triager can target you on a question. So, please only put your name/nick there if you are willing to answer
[17:42] <bdmurray> We could also contact the bugcontrol mailing list for mentors.
[17:42] <thewrath> not spamming lol
[17:43] <hggdh> bdmurray, good idea
[17:43] <pedro_> that'd be nice, yes
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> I think I would do well to have a Mentor
[17:43] <pace_t_zulu> So that I can be more effective triaging
[17:44] <andresmujica1> so the idea for mentoring  would be: answering questions on -bugs or on the mailinglist and put irc nicks at the wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/Mentors
[17:44] <andresmujica1> ok, next topic
[17:45] <bdmurray> and contact the bug control mailing list for ments
[17:45] <andresmujica1> right!
[17:45] <andresmujica1> [TOPIC] Open Discussions -- bcurtiswx
[17:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussions -- bcurtiswx
[17:46] <hggdh> well, bcurtiswx is note here. Anyone willing please chime in
[17:46] <andresmujica1> well. We've covered a pair of topics, and they're probably better handled at the ML, however there are still some topics that could get into this format
[17:47] <andresmujica1> and as far as i can see
[17:47] <bdmurray> One thing I'm curious to know is how people attending UDS can help out the Bug Squad.
[17:47] <andresmujica1> one big conclusion is that we need to use a lot more the ML.
[17:47] <hggdh> bdmurray, what do you mean?
[17:48] <hggdh> hum. Better debugging instructions for more packages, for starters
[17:48] <bdmurray> hggdh: I mean since I'm going there, is there anything I can find out for people?  In terms of having hallway conversations with developers or Launchpad people.
[17:49] <hggdh> yes -- we need to beef up the debugging procedures
[17:49] <micahg> +1 hggdh
[17:49] <hggdh> we only have a handfull of packages nowadays
[17:49] <andresmujica1> which ones from the bugsquad would attend to UDS ?
[17:49] <azimout> +1 hggdh
[17:50] <andresmujica1> ok, we've got 10 more minutes.
[17:50] <andresmujica1> so should we have monthly meetings for the bugsquad team?
[17:51] <azimout> let's do lp improvements then
[17:51] <hggdh> bdmurray, one thing to get there is if we could have something like this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DebuginfoFS
[17:51] <bdmurray> I'll send an e-mail to the bugsquad regarding how UDS attendees can help.
[17:52] <andresmujica1> ok.
[17:52] <micahg> we've got something like that
[17:52] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[17:52] <hggdh> sounds like once-a-month is not bad. We can revisit it on the ML
[17:52] <hggdh> micahg, yes, but there are many more packages than what we currently provide there
[17:52] <micahg> indeed
[17:53] <hggdh> (and we *did* get something done here, so it was worth it)
[17:53] <andresmujica1> yes.
[17:53] <andresmujica1> i do believe that too
[17:53] <andresmujica1> we should make a vote?
[17:54] <bdmurray> I thought I saw that SUSE had a wiki page with some debugging procedures for various packages that we might look at
[17:54] <hggdh> bdmurray, will look at it
[17:54] <bdmurray> http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports
[17:54] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports
[17:54] <bdmurray> And of course looking at upstream project pages might be useful
[17:54] <andresmujica1> everyone agrees with having a bugsquad monthly meeting would be useful?
[17:54] <hggdh> right now -- once-a-month? +/-1, please
[17:54] <hggdh> +1
[17:55] <andresmujica1> +1
[17:55] <micahg> +1
[17:55] <charlie-tca> +1
[17:55] <pedro_> +1
[17:55] <bdmurray> +1
[17:55] <andresmujica1> great!
[17:55] <azimout> +1
[17:55] <mib_u03jo9xa> +1
[17:55] <pace_t_zulu> +1
[17:56] <bdmurray> June 9th? continuing with the 2nd Tuesday trend?
[17:56] <hggdh> +1
[17:56] <andresmujica1> +1
[17:56] <andresmujica1> 2nd Tuesday is perfect
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Yes, makes it easier to keep it the same
[17:56] <azimout> +1
[17:57] <andresmujica1> so, i believe we should streamline the topics for this meeting so they don't clash with ML and -bugs and get useful for this format.  I wonder of the proposed topics listed at the wiki,  which ones do you believe that  we must discuss next meeting?
[17:57] <mib_u03jo9xa> +1
[17:57] <azimout> but, we didn't do the lp improvements part :-(
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Nor is the person that proposed it here.
[17:57] <andresmujica1> :(  we need lp improvements :) but is OK if we let that topic for next meeting? or anyone wants to move to our channel?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Is it real important?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> If not, postpone it to the next meeting
[17:58] <showard_> ML with proposals for changes?
[17:58] <mib_u03jo9xa> does lp = LaunchPad?
[17:58] <pace_t_zulu> mib_u03jo9xa: yes
[17:58] <azimout> important yes, urgent no. +1 for next meeting
[17:58] <pedro_> mib_u03jo9xa: yeap
[17:58] <hggdh> let's get to a quick chat on -bugs, and finish this meeting
[17:58] <hggdh> 1 minute
[17:58] <andresmujica1> ok
[17:59] <bdmurray> andresmujica1: thanks for organizing this!
[17:59] <andresmujica1> [AGREED] NExt meeting would be held on June 9th 16.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:59] <MootBot> AGREED received:  NExt meeting would be held on June 9th 16.00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting
[17:59] <andresmujica1> #endmeeting
[17:59] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:59.
[17:59] <andresmujica1> thanks to all of you, let's chat a bit at -bugs
[17:59] <hggdh> thank you, foks
[18:00] <pedro_> thanks you all
[18:00] <micahg> thanks everyone
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Thanks, everyone. And a big thank you to andresmujica1 for organizing this.
[18:00] <andresmujica1> thanks to all of you to attending!!
[18:01]  * apw arrives
[18:01]  * pgraner o/
[18:01]  * rtg is here
[18:01]  * cking is here too
[18:01]  * sconklin here
[18:01] <lieb_> Hmm
[18:01]  * amitk waves
[18:01]  * bradf is here
[18:02]  * manjo waves
[18:02]  * jjohansen here
[18:02]  * cking notes the roll call may take a while nowadays
[18:02]  * smb_tp \o
[18:02] <sconklin> agenda - intros, closing
[18:02] <manjo> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is manjo.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:03] <manjo> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <manjo> [TOPIC] Open Action Items - apw smb ogasawara arrange UDS session on regressions
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Action Items - apw smb ogasawara arrange UDS session on regressions
[18:03] <manjo> apw, ?
[18:03] <apw> i think we tabled that one last week as pgraner was away, and we needed him to arrange us a slot to talka bout it
[18:03] <pgraner> manjo: done session is scheduled as part of the SRU session
[18:04] <apw> (and he has done it :))
[18:04] <manjo> ok next topic
[18:04] <manjo> [TOPIC] Open Action Items -  manjo to send out list of HW affected by suspend/resume issues on kernel-team
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Action Items -  manjo to send out list of HW affected by suspend/resume issues on kernel-team
[18:04] <pgraner> so manjo did you do it?
[18:04] <manjo> I mailed out a list of HW and the scripts on ogasawara request
[18:04] <manjo> I did not get any responds except from bradf
[18:05] <manjo> any thoughts ?
[18:05] <pgraner> manjo: kernel-team list?
[18:05] <manjo> yes
[18:05]  * apw didn't have any time to really look over it.  the discussions we had round it on irc 
[18:05] <pgraner> manjo: ok I must have missed it, I'll go look this PM
[18:05] <apw> said it was the right sort fo approach
[18:05] <manjo> yes apw I remember that
[18:05] <apw> you had managed to find some correlations.  more of that seemed worth while
[18:06] <manjo> yes I ran out of free cycles to look more ...
[18:06] <apw> i'd call that irem done, you can report any further activty as and when it occurs
[18:06] <manjo> anyone from the community might be interested ? if we make an annouce ?
[18:07] <manjo> [TOPIC] Open Action Items - smb schedule a session for end-of-life stable update kernels
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Action Items - smb schedule a session for end-of-life stable update kernels
[18:07] <apw> you might formulate something and sent it to kernel-team email list
[18:07] <manjo> apw, can do
[18:07] <manjo> [ACTION] manjo to formulate mail on HW list triage for community involvement
[18:07] <MootBot> ACTION received:  manjo to formulate mail on HW list triage for community involvement
[18:08] <manjo> smb_tp, ? ^^
[18:08] <manjo> smb_tp, you have any info on the session for end-of-life stable update kernels ?
[18:09] <smb_tp> Hm, seems I mismatched that with the other schedule pgraner wanted to do
[18:09] <pgraner> smb_tp: mismatched?
[18:09] <smb_tp> pgraner, I thought you would schdule the session
[18:09] <pgraner> smb_tp: I still have open sessions slots
[18:09] <pgraner> smb_tp: ok I'll do it now
[18:09] <manjo> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Jaunty
[18:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Jaunty
[18:09] <pgraner> smb_tp: sorry I must have lost it when tomboy ate all my notes
[18:10] <smb_tp> pgraner, Ok, thanks. No, could be that I just thought you would do
[18:10] <smb_tp> Someday I should take a tuition on how to schedule sessions
[18:10] <smb_tp> Ok
[18:10] <manjo> any status/info on Security & bugfix kernels - Jaunty ?
[18:11] <smb_tp> Err, Jaunty has been uploaded to proposed. I think it might be possible to move it to updates around this week
[18:11] <manjo> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Intrepid
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Intrepid
[18:11] <smb_tp> So we can follow up with the next proposed which contains a lot of stable patches and should bake longer
[18:11] <smb_tp> Intrepid porposed was copied today
[18:11] <smb_tp> So the way is free for the next proposed
[18:11] <apw> nice
[18:12] <manjo> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Hardy
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Hardy
[18:12] <smb_tp> Which should get done soon as it already accumulated quite a backlog
[18:12] <smb_tp> Hardy has been in updates since last week
[18:12] <manjo> [TOPIC] Karmic Status  Alpha-1 may 14th
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Karmic Status  Alpha-1 may 14th
[18:12] <smb_tp> There are a few new things to go to proposed as well
[18:12] <manjo> rtg, ?
[18:12] <rtg> 2.6.30-rc5 is uploaded for Alpha-1
[18:13] <apw> also nice
[18:13] <rtg> been working on DKMS replacements for LRM
[18:13] <cking> even nicer
[18:13] <rtg> I think I'm gonna drop ltmodem altogether
[18:13] <rtg> there is no functional upstream driver for it
[18:14] <amitk> the germans will rebel
[18:14] <apw> we should note that KMS should be available for userspace to use in alpha-1 so it can be tested
[18:14] <rtg> bcmwl is a real pain, but I'm figuring it out
[18:14] <rtg> amitk: ltmodem is a Winbond soft modem driver
[18:14] <rtg> not ISDN
[18:15] <rtg> manjo: thats all from me
[18:15] <manjo> ok thanks rtg moving on
[18:15] <manjo> [TOPIC] ARM Tree - status ?
[18:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Tree - status ?
[18:15] <amitk> all's quiet on this front
[18:15] <bradf> have nothing definitive on android but it looks like the next one will be .29 based
[18:16] <amitk> i'm doing a basic clock framework patch for the imx51 to send upstream
[18:16] <bradf> that's where they seem to be working now
[18:16] <manjo> anything else amitk bradf ?
[18:16] <bradf> nope
[18:16] <amitk> nope
[18:16] <manjo> [TOPIC] LPIA Tree - status ?
[18:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  LPIA Tree - status ?
[18:16] <sconklin> Last week I rebased the hardy netbook-lpia kernel on top of the current hardy release, and released the kernel, lum, and lbm netbook-lpia branches
[18:17] <sconklin> So far, everything tests good
[18:17] <cking> any testing results?
[18:17] <apw> so we are finally where we wanted to be ... near zero delta from hardy right?
[18:17] <sconklin> right.
[18:18] <apw> sconklin, congratulations ... its been a slog and three quarters
[18:18] <cking> give that man a beer!
[18:18] <sconklin> We'll rebase again soon when smb releases hardy again, and hopefully I got all the kinks out of the rebase scripts so it will be really smooth
[18:18] <apw> sconklin, ^5
[18:18] <amitk> ^5
[18:19] <sconklin> The big remaining task is to check all the patches in the delta against upstream and our later releases.
[18:19] <sconklin> I'll take those beers in a week
[18:19] <apw> presumably that delta is 10's of patches now
[18:19] <rtg> sconklin: whats the story with the Intel repos that they created this week?
[18:19] <apw> rather than 'unknown' *scream*
[18:20] <sconklin> rtg: Been meaning to ask about that - first I knew was your email, and I haven't looked yet. They came out of the blue.
[18:20] <sconklin> I think that may be Hugh's work.
[18:20] <rtg> sconklin: its got the PSB updates taht I think we've already seen
[18:20] <rtg> just curious about the other stuff, but no matter
[18:21] <sconklin> right, but I think that Hugh has been talking to them to get poulsbo into a repo so we don't get entire delivery drops
[18:21] <manjo> anything else sconklin ? (sconklin has so far earned 10 beer points)
[18:21] <sconklin> that's all I have in lpia
[18:21] <rtg> hmm, perhaps an info drop from Hugh would be nice.
[18:22] <apw> manjo action him to explain :)
[18:22] <cking> ..and count me in on that info drop too
[18:22] <bradf> i think he could just spam c-kt-l
[18:22] <lieb_> yes
[18:22] <manjo> [ACTION]  info drop from Hugh socnklin on lpia
[18:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:   info drop from Hugh socnklin on lpia
[18:23] <manjo> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs - Regressions
[18:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs - Regressions
[18:23] <ogasawara> I sent you guys an updated buglist this week.  It had 3 new regressions but apw and smb_tp already have them assigned.
[18:23] <amitk> sconklin: keep them pushing there. They have a tendency to disappear after a few git pushes. http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=jpan9/jpan9-git-tree.git;a=summary is the last attempt to get them to do it.
[18:23] <smb_tp> ogasawara, 3?
[18:23] <smb_tp> I only remember 2 but ok
[18:23] <ogasawara> smb_tp: hrm, maybe I miscounted
[18:24] <apw> maybe one was already assigned
[18:24] <apw> ogasawara, glad to have your list updating agaiin .. keeps us on our toes
[18:24] <smb_tp> Can be. I think the one with brad on it sounded alien
[18:24] <smb_tp> Right
[18:24] <smb_tp> +1 on that
[18:24] <manjo> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs - Bug day report
[18:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs - Bug day report
[18:25] <ogasawara> stats look good so far . . .
[18:25] <ogasawara> Fix Released = 9
[18:25] <ogasawara> Fix Committed = 1
[18:25] <ogasawara> Won't Fix = 60
[18:25] <ogasawara> Invalid = 4
[18:25] <ogasawara> In Progress = 2
[18:25] <ogasawara> Incomplete = 142
[18:25] <smb_tp> *scream*
[18:25] <ogasawara> Triaged = 38
[18:25] <ogasawara> Confirmed = 12
[18:25] <ogasawara> reassigned = 1
[18:25] <ogasawara> New = 2
[18:25] <manjo> ogasawara, anything else ?
[18:25] <ogasawara> manjo: done
[18:25] <manjo> [TOPIC] Open discussion
[18:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open discussion
[18:26] <amitk> ogasawara: this is jaunty?
[18:26] <pgraner> apw, rtg: who will update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview page with our bits? hint hint
[18:26] <ogasawara> amitk: yes
[18:26] <apw> rtg you gonna or you want me to?
[18:26] <rtg> apw: feel free
[18:27] <apw> manjo actione on me please
[18:27]  * pgraner watches rtg avoid wiki work
[18:27] <rtg> you know how much I like editing wiki pages
[18:27] <smb_tp> pgraner, Question. Saw the blueprint but that reads to me like end of life a stable kernel, while I thought the sessionshould be about end of live for stable updates to a released kernel. Did I misunderstand?
[18:27] <manjo> [ACTION] apw to  update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview page with our bits?
[18:27] <MootBot> ACTION received:  apw to  update the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/TechnicalOverview page with our bits?
[18:27] <pgraner> smb_tp: I guess I missunderstood you. You can change it to what you think is correct
[18:28] <smb_tp> Ok, I just wnated to ask aloud so anybody else can correct me/us
[18:28] <smb_tp> Otherwise I change it into what I think. :)
[18:28] <pgraner> smb_tp: go for it
[18:28] <apw> smb_tp, i think we wanted to make sure we had discusees how and when we took stable updates
[18:29] <apw> what the criteria was.  so that it was docuimented, and so that the SRU folks had a further chance
[18:29] <smb_tp> apw, Ok, thanks, so that matches my memory
[18:29] <apw> to comment on the issue
[18:29] <apw> it being a thorn in master pgraner's behind
[18:29] <smb_tp> Oh, now
[18:29] <smb_tp> Slightly different then. Ok, got it
[18:30] <pgraner> smb_tp: just adjust it
[18:30] <manjo> [TOPIC] Next Meeting Chair Selection
[18:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Meeting Chair Selection
[18:31] <rtg> manjo: next meeting is not until June 2.
[18:31] <manjo> right... I can continue if there are no takers
[18:31] <pgraner> manjo: you found a new job :-)
[18:31] <bradf> I don't mind doing it
[18:31] <apw> you can argue amongst yourselves :)
[18:31] <manjo> [ACTION] bradf to chair June 2nd kernel meeting
[18:31] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bradf to chair June 2nd kernel meeting
[18:31] <bradf> will do
[18:32] <manjo> #endmeeting
[18:32] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:32.
[18:32] <apw> manjo, mootbot info to me as normal
[18:32] <manjo> k
[18:32] <apw> (unless you want to fix the wiki too)
[19:49] <knome> popey, do we seem to have the emea meeting today or not?
[19:51] <popey> knome: there is one scheduled for 20:00 UTC
[19:52] <knome> i know, but can we expect adequate board member attendance?
[19:53] <popey> what exactly do you want me to say?
[19:55] <knome> that have you got any reaction for your mail? :)
[19:55] <popey> there is a meeting booked
[19:55] <knome> ...okay.
[20:51] <zaafouri> hi all
[20:56] <Kmos> hi
[20:57] <zaafouri> Kmos, hi
[20:57] <phanatic> good evening
[20:58] <zaafouri> phanatic, hi =)
[20:58] <popey> hi
[20:58] <zaafouri> popey, hi
[20:59] <knome> .
[20:59] <charlie-tca> good luck, Knightlust
[20:59] <Seveas> evenin'
[21:00] <primes2h> Hi to all
[21:00] <BslBryan> Hello, everyone. :-)
[21:00] <knome> charlie-tca, Knightlust ?:P
[21:00] <zaafouri> Seveas, primes2h, BslBryan hi
[21:00] <charlie-tca> I don't know where that came from. I meant you!
[21:00] <knome> ;))
[21:00] <Seveas> ooh, knome finally in a meeting? :)
[21:00] <knome> Seveas, yes \o/
[21:00] <knome> Seveas, but damn sick
[21:00] <knome> :<
[21:01] <BslBryan> Sorry to hear that, knome.
[21:01] <knome> it's ok
[21:01] <knome> at least i got to be the first! :P
[21:01] <Seveas> popey, phanatic, forumsmatthew, Pricey, stgraber, shout please
[21:02] <popey> o/
[21:02] <forumsmatthew> hi
[21:02] <phanatic> hey
[21:02] <BslBryan> Hello, forumesmatthew, phanatic.
[21:02] <BslBryan> forums*
[21:03] <forumsmatthew> :)
[21:03] <Seveas> stgraber and Pricey have fairly large idle times, let's start without them. THey can catch up when they arrive
[21:03] <Seveas> knome, you're first on the list. Please introduce yourself. Other membership candidates, please perpare a short introduction that you can paste in here when you're up.
[21:03] <knome> okies!
[21:04] <knome> i've been working with ubuntu since last september.
[21:04] <knome> i did the xubuntu website redesing which was published parallel to intrepid release
[21:04] <knome> in the jaunty cycle, i jumped in even more and did the xubuntu artwork cycle.
[21:04] <Seveas> when did you start using (x)ubuntu?
[21:05] <knome> that must be maybe three years ago.
[21:05] <Seveas> one thing I miss on your wikipage and in here is some cheers from other xubuntu members/developers. Are you working mostly on your own?
[21:06] <kebomix> hello ubuntu guys :D :P
[21:06] <knome> we're working as a group if we can, but as there is no other marketing/artwork guys in the xubuntu team...
[21:06] <Seveas> kebomix, there's a meeting in progress, please be quiet
[21:06] <cody-somerville> I'm here :)
[21:06] <knome> cody-somerville can tell more on what i've done
[21:06] <Seveas> cody-somerville, excellent, what's your opinion on knome?
[21:07] <BUGabundo> good evening
[21:07] <cody-somerville> knome has been an important contributor to Xubuntu
[21:07]  * cody-somerville apologizes as he is currently on the phone.
[21:08] <cody-somerville> I have nothing but high praise for knome
[21:08] <popey> I'm seeing little evidence in terms of activity in launchpad.
[21:08] <Seveas> popey, well I think that can be expected from someone who does marketing and artwork
[21:08] <popey> A few bugs, a few answers.
[21:08] <popey> true
[21:08] <knome> i've tried to work on launchpad if it's possible
[21:09] <forumsmatthew> the xubuntu website update looks nice
[21:09] <Seveas> which is why I wanted shouts, one from cody-somerville will do for me to go +1
[21:09] <charlie-tca> I would like to say knome has done fantastic work in #xubuntu. He is always trying to help others, and his knowledge is solid.
[21:09] <popey> two shouts from existing members is always useful :)
[21:09] <popey> +1 from me too.
[21:09] <forumsmatthew> I agree. +1
[21:10] <cody-somerville> Knome has also started several initiatives to help bring the different flavours of Ubuntu together and led a few sessions at the last UDS
[21:10] <phanatic> based on testimonials + personal experience: +1 :)
[21:10] <Seveas> okay, that's +4, well done
[21:10] <Seveas> welcome knome!
[21:10] <knome> thanks.
[21:10] <cody-somerville> w00t
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, knome. You did it!
[21:10] <popey> congrats knome, sorry it took so long
[21:10] <cody-somerville> Congratz knome!! :)
[21:10] <knome> popey, no problem!
[21:10] <forumsmatthew> congratulation!
[21:10] <forumsmatthew> s
[21:10] <BslBryan> Congratulations. :-)
[21:10] <kebomix> sry wut is knome !
[21:11]  * knome notes that he gladly accepts free beer at any time
[21:11] <popey> Join the queue
[21:11] <cody-somerville> hehe
[21:11] <Seveas> Kmos, you're next in the list who is actually there
[21:11] <Seveas> all in between failed to show up
[21:11] <Kmos> Seveas: ok
[21:12] <popey> Seveas: BUGabundo is here, he's #2 on the list
[21:12] <Kmos> I've finished to write some presentation
[21:12] <BUGabundo> yep popey
[21:12] <Kmos> correct, BUGabundo is first
[21:12] <Seveas> popey, oh, hi BUGabundo did you arrive late?
[21:12] <BUGabundo> Seveas: yes!
[21:12] <popey> sorry Kmos
[21:12] <BUGabundo> sorry about that
[21:12] <Kmos> np :)
[21:12] <Kmos> he's my comrade from Portugal :P
[21:12] <Seveas> ah ok, please introduce yourself then, you're up now BUGabundo :)
[21:12] <BUGabundo> just trying to get my draft application in order
[21:13] <BUGabundo> thanks seve
[21:13] <BUGabundo> hi every one. I'm BUGabundo, known offline as Fernando Pereira
[21:13] <BUGabundo> I'm a 28 yo Sysadmin
[21:13] <BUGabundo> I'm a FOSS & Ubuntu advocate.
[21:14] <BUGabundo> In terms of my future with Ubuntu , I haven't stop a bit, and aint planing to. In terms of near future, I plan to keep at what I'm doing now, in a better way. Helping testing, triaging, providing new and current users with support and information; to do what I've been trying to do for this past 18 months: to be a buffer between Devel World and User Land
[21:14] <Seveas> reading the wikipage and LP: I'm impressed with the cheers. +1
[21:14] <BUGabundo> for the past 3 years I've been using Ubuntu full time on my machines
[21:14] <Seveas> I've seen you around for ages, what took you so long to apply?
[21:15] <BUGabundo> and for the last two been doing beta and then Alpha testing during the devel cycle
[21:15] <BUGabundo> I'm now running Karmic
[21:15] <BUGabundo> Seveas: lazyness I guess
[21:15] <BUGabundo> planed to do it back in november
[21:15] <BUGabundo> then jneves applied last month, so I decided to do it too....
[21:15] <BUGabundo> just was question of bad schedule dates.
[21:16] <BUGabundo> as seen by today, this is not the best free time for me....
[21:16] <BUGabundo> any more questions?
[21:16] <Seveas> not from me, but there's three more people to convince (who are no doubt reading your wikipage, launchpad profile etc. right now)
[21:16] <phanatic> wow, huge amount of testimonials. totally +1, and keep up the great work!
[21:16] <popey> I agree that your wiki page and launchpad profile are impressive
[21:16] <forumsmatthew> definitely
[21:16] <Kmos> we can also vote?
[21:16] <Kmos> +1
[21:16] <Kmos> :)
[21:17] <popey> knome: no
[21:17] <BUGabundo> Kmos: just members
[21:17] <Seveas> Kmos, no, just the board members
[21:17] <popey> er Kmos no
[21:17] <Kmos> ah ok
[21:17] <forumsmatthew> you can give an opinion, though
[21:17] <Kmos> i'm sorry
[21:17] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, popey: I see you're impressed but I really like to see a +1/-1 as a sign that you have no more questions
[21:17] <popey> BUGabundo: an issue has been raised privately with me about your application, regarding your online activities towards other members of the community, specifically female ubuntu members. Do you have anything to say about that.
[21:17] <BUGabundo> I don't like to just be a number on LP karma, so shoot any questions
[21:18] <BUGabundo> popey: I had once a talk with maco
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I think that is well now, if not, let her speak
[21:18] <BUGabundo> any other member I know nothing about...
[21:18] <forumsmatthew> that was my hesitation as well
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I treat every one with best of heart
[21:19] <popey> this is tricky, I've seen the posts in question, and I'm also uncomfortable with them
[21:19] <BUGabundo> afigueiras is here and she can tell... she knows me offline too
[21:19] <maco> from what others have said in #u-w it seems like pointing him to the "HowTo Encourage Women in Linux" did result in a change of attitude
[21:19] <BUGabundo> popey: do you refer to that #-devel  time?
[21:19] <forumsmatthew> maco, that is good to know
[21:19] <BUGabundo> I admit I went way off topic that time
[21:20] <popey> BUGabundo: its a comment on an ubuntu member blog
[21:20] <popey> if maco is happy that attitudes have been adjusted then there's nothing more really I can say
[21:21] <BUGabundo> amber  blog?
[21:21]  * popey will go +1 
[21:21] <popey> based on activity evidence on launchpad
[21:22] <popey> and having seen you do good work in #ubuntu+1 myself
[21:22] <popey> please keep that up.
[21:22] <BUGabundo> not that it matter much, but there was a vote for me, from aflux from last meeting I was in
[21:22] <forumsmatthew> I guess what I want is an assurance that you understand that we want women to feel valued and save in the ubuntu community.
[21:22] <popey> indeed
[21:22] <forumsmatthew> From your work, I have the highest regard
[21:22] <forumsmatthew> you have done a lot of good stuff and have some fabulous recommendations
[21:22] <BUGabundo> forumsmatthew: as I said before. I treat any one, from old devs, to new user alike
[21:23] <BUGabundo> I give Free formation at my univ, and I get both man and woman, and I don't prefer one to the other
[21:23] <popey> Seveas: is that everyone?
[21:23] <Seveas> No +1 yest from forumsmatthew
[21:23] <popey> ah, sorry.
[21:23] <forumsmatthew> okay, I'll give a +1 and a gentle, but real request to please keep in mind how your manner of addressing women may make them feel--
[21:24] <Seveas> I join forumsmatthew in that
[21:24] <popey> Agreed.
[21:24] <popey> Keep up the great work BUGabundo !
[21:24] <Seveas> BUGabundo, welcome aboard the Ubuntu ship, keep up the good work!
[21:24] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, BUGabundo
[21:24] <popey> Congrats!
[21:24] <Kmos> congratz BUGabundo
[21:24] <BUGabundo> thanks everyone
[21:24] <Seveas> Kmos, *now* it's your turn
[21:24] <kklimonda> gratz BUGabundo :)
[21:24] <forumsmatthew> congratulations
[21:24] <BslBryan> Congratulations, BUGabundo. :-)
[21:24] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: charlie-tca thanks guys!
[21:24] <Kmos> Seveas: ok :) let's go on
[21:25] <BUGabundo> good luck Kmos
[21:25] <Kmos> BUGabundo: thank you
[21:25] <Kmos> I'm Marco Rodrigues and I was born at Leverkusen - Germany. Currently I live Portugal and I've been an Ubuntu Fan / Promoter / Contributor since Breezy release.
[21:25] <Kmos> I've done the icon for computer janitor (computer-janitor-gtk package), because I like to do some artwork sometimes, but most programming.
[21:25] <Seveas> LP is wonky today :/
[21:26] <Kmos> I participate currently in Debian and have some problems long time ago with my MOTU application and some MOTU members because I didn't like to wait much (times are different now and I learned a lot from these days).
[21:26] <ScottK> That's not exactly it.
[21:26] <Kmos> Now I want to go smoothly with it, but for now I just want to be a simple Ubuntu member.
[21:26] <ScottK> His involvement in MOTU was disruptive and destructive.
[21:27] <Seveas> the testimonials on your wikipage have not been updated since that period, leading me to think that not much has changed
[21:27] <Kmos> and learn more from MOTU community before try it again
[21:27] <ScottK> Sufficiently so that he is (AFAIK) the only person ever to be asked not to contribute to Ubuntu development.
[21:27] <forumsmatthew> wow
[21:28] <BUGabundo> wow
[21:28] <Kmos> ScottK: exactly, and asked by core-dev and others motu's to try again
[21:28] <ScottK> Kmos: Who and where's the record of this?
[21:28] <rockstar> In defense of Kmos, he's been spearheading the packaging of an upstream app that I work on, and has been quite helpful.  I'm sure that, with some guidance, he could be a great asset.
[21:28] <Seveas> Kmos, I know ScottK may be overreacting here but I definitely need to see more evidence of good behavior before considering your application
[21:28] <Kmos> ScottK: you could ask dholbach and persia
[21:28] <ScottK> Kmos: You also tried and got caught trying to evade the ban by making new accounts in LP
[21:29] <ScottK> I'm not reacting, I'm describing.
[21:29] <Kmos> ScottK: you need to prove that
[21:29] <Seveas> Kmos, also, if you are going to contributing mostly in packaging-land you really must go the MOTU route to membership. Given your history in packaging-land, we would be *very* uncomfortable approving you
[21:30] <Kmos> because I didn't create anything until today
[21:30] <nixternal> hi
[21:30] <ScottK> Kmos: The MOTU Council already proved it to my satisfaction
[21:30] <Seveas> Kmos, no, I'm afraid it is you who will need to prove improvement before being accepted back in the development community
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, agreed
[21:30] <Kmos> Seveas: I just want to be a simple ubuntu member
[21:30] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to -1
[21:31] <Kmos> Seveas: if I can't be that, I also can never be accepted in MOTU
[21:31] <Seveas> Kmos, then I want to see on  your wiipage how you contribute to Ubuntu outside development-land, there is no evidence whatsoever on such activities
[21:31] <popey> based on testimonials, I'm -1
[21:31] <Seveas> phanatic, ?
[21:31] <Kmos> Seveas: debian has that evidences
[21:32] <Kmos> but I'm ok with it
[21:33] <Kmos> ScottK: you need to tell me that proves about my second LP account.
[21:33] <Seveas> Kmos, I heard the debian-games team also banned you from their team, so saying that you contribute to debian sounds fishy to me.
[21:33] <Kmos> Seveas: my launchpad account has that evidences too
[21:33] <ScottK> Kmos: It was the conclusion of the MOTU Council that you had one.  It's between you and them if they were wrong.  I know who's word I accept.
[21:33] <phanatic> if i remember well, we already discussed your membership application here, and nothing has really changed, so i'm also -1
[21:33] <nixternal> I am a member of the MC, as well as geser. Kmos I would prefer we did not bring up dirty laundry at this time
[21:33] <Kmos> Seveas: yes.. that was in the same time of MOTU application
[21:34] <Seveas> Anyway, based on all this, I am definitely -1. You will need to show and document a lot of improvement before being accepted as member. If you don't want to go the motu route, you will also need to show non-packaging activity.
[21:34] <Kmos> Seveas: I'm not doing any ubuntu development, so no packaging activity
[21:34] <Seveas> And if I counted correct that's 4 times -1, so we will need to move on to the next candidate
[21:34] <forumsmatthew> agreed, who's next?
[21:34] <Kmos> ok
[21:34] <Seveas> primes2h, you're up!
[21:35] <primes2h> My name is Sergio Zanchetta and I started using Ubuntu in the Breezy Badger 5.10 release.
[21:35] <primes2h> I signed up in Launchpad on June 2006 and my main contribution since then is reporting and triaging bugs, doing translations and some helping work in "Answers".
[21:35] <primes2h> I usually focus on package translations as well as Ubuntu/Xubuntu documentation and Package Descriptions translations/review.
[21:35] <primes2h> About bugs, among other things, I helped kernel team triaging/closing out EOL release kernel bugs (all the Edgy and Gusty ones, some Feisty one).
[21:35] <primes2h> In general I help reporting/triaging bugs, find duplicates etc...
[21:35]  * zaafouri is here
[21:36] <primes2h> In my wiki page you can find all the links about the work I do for Ubuntu, included some patches I provided for Jaunty and other things I'm doing.
[21:36] <Seveas> anyone here to cheer for primes2h ?
[21:36] <primes2h> In that page you can find some testimonials too.
[21:36] <Seveas> zaafouri, damn. Am I blind or did you show up in the last few minutes?
[21:36] <Seveas> primes2h, I know, but live cheers are more fun :)
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> primes2h, you have wonderful testimonials on your page
[21:36] <primes2h> There is DktrKranz
[21:36] <forumsmatthew> good karma, too
[21:36] <charlie-tca> I can vouch for bug triage work.
[21:37] <forumsmatthew> translations, bug stuff
[21:37] <DktrKranz> I met primes2h personally, he's a very active contributor in translation and documentation. He recently gained bugcontrol status and helped closing gutsy bugs. A plus one for me
[21:37] <charlie-tca> primes2h does work hard at triaging and clearing up old stuff
[21:38] <forumsmatthew> I'm happy to +1 based on what I am reading (thanks also to the two of you giving live cheers)
[21:38] <Seveas> yeah, karma (and logs, yay one can now see further in the past on launchpad!) and cheers look good
[21:38] <Seveas> +1
[21:38] <popey> Agreed, +1 for great work, and testimonials
[21:39] <phanatic> i have to rely on the testimonials, because i cannot reach w.u.c and launchpad thanks to my provider. +1, welcome!
[21:39] <Seveas> oh great. Not only is launchpad going wonky intermittently, now the wiki is spewing 503 errors
[21:40] <Seveas> primes2h, that's 4 times +1 for you, welcome aboard!
[21:40] <Seveas> congrats
[21:40] <forumsmatthew> I was nowhere near the wiki server
[21:40] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, primes2h
[21:40] <zaafouri> primes2h, congrats =)
[21:40] <forumsmatthew> congratulations, primes2h
[21:40] <DktrKranz> congrats primes2h :)
[21:40] <maco> Seveas: are you using edge or normal? maybe non-edge would work? that's what's being said on the lp-uses list
[21:40] <primes2h> Thank you very much indeed
[21:40] <primes2h> Thank you all
[21:40] <Seveas> zaafouri, you're up now, sorry for missing you earlier. Please introduce yourself while the wiki is being unf*ked
[21:40] <primes2h> :-)
[21:40] <Seveas> maco, normal. edge breaks too often for me
[21:40] <zaafouri> Thank you
[21:41] <zaafouri> I'm Chaker ZAAFOURI, I'm 28 year old.
[21:41] <zaafouri> I'm from Tunisia and  I'm manager and co-founder of FOSS startup
[21:41] <zaafouri> I'm Linux User since 1997, and I'm GNU/Linux sysadmin since 2003
[21:41] <zaafouri> I start working with Ubuntu since 2005
[21:41] <zaafouri> I'm an active member of Tunisian LocoTeam since last November
[21:41] <zaafouri> With LocoTeam, I migrate some universities to GNU/Linux Ubuntu
[21:41] <zaafouri> I introduce SMB solutions based on GNU/Linux Ubuntu
[21:41] <zaafouri> I've done many workshops in engineering school aroud GNU/Linux Ubuntu LTS server (LAMP, CMS, CRM, VoIP, ZCS, ...)
[21:42] <zaafouri> and I'm Volunteer FOSS & GNU/Linux Tutor in Eltaller NGO
[21:42] <zaafouri> You can see my wiki page for more details
[21:42] <Seveas> zaafouri, actully, we can't as the wiki is down :/
[21:42] <nizarus> hello, I m a tunisian ubuntu member and I m the LoCo contact of the tunisian loco team, I m here to support zaafouri membership
[21:43] <forumsmatthew> unfortunately the wiki isn't loading for me
[21:43] <Seveas> nizarus, excellent! Can you tell us a bit about him?
[21:43] <Seveas> ooh, I have wiki!
[21:43] <knome> >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/zaafouriwiki
[21:43] <Seveas> c/p'ed to http://paste.ubuntu.com/170961/
[21:44] <nizarus> Seveas, in fiew words : volontarism, and devotion to FOSS and ubuntu causes
[21:44] <Seveas> zaafouri, how did ENIG 9.05 go?
[21:44] <forumsmatthew> saafi, ana chabat. kulshi li shuft mezyan. (kunt saken fi al maghrib)
[21:45] <forumsmatthew> I'm happy with what I have seen
[21:45] <zaafouri> Excellent, there were presentations , install party and workshop
[21:45] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, nope, rot13 doesn't make that any more understandable. Would you mind translating that?
[21:45] <forumsmatthew> "I'm happy with what I have seen"
[21:45] <zaafouri> the students likes ubuntu and many of them migrate to 100% ubuntu on theur laptop =)
[21:46] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, ah.
[21:46] <popey> wow, thats a lot of advocacy going on there!
[21:46] <nizarus> forumsmatthew, you have to improve your arabic more :)
[21:46] <forumsmatthew> I'm not sure how different Tunisian is from Moroccan Arabic
[21:46] <Seveas> I'm also very happy with what I see
[21:46] <forumsmatthew> some say Moroccans don't speak Arabic
[21:46] <Seveas> how big is the tunisian locoteam?
[21:46] <forumsmatthew> nizarus, lol
[21:46] <zaafouri> more than 200
[21:47] <zaafouri> =)
[21:47] <popey> that's a +1 from me, I'm impressed with the levels of advocacy!
[21:47] <phanatic> wow, that's amazing
[21:47] <nizarus> Seveas, we are arround 200 in LP, more then 500 in the mailing list
[21:47] <forumsmatthew> I implied it, here is my official +1
[21:47] <Seveas> +1 from me
[21:47] <phanatic> +1
[21:48] <Seveas> that's +4, congratulations!
[21:48] <nizarus> مبروك zaafouri
[21:48] <charlie-tca> Congratulations, zaafouri
[21:48] <forumsmatthew> congratulations!
[21:48] <forumsmatthew> mabrook!
[21:48] <zaafouri> =) thank you  very much
[21:48] <BslBryan> Congratulations!
[21:48] <zaafouri> =)))
[21:48] <Seveas> BslBryan, you're up next (and last, unless I missed *another* one)
[21:48] <nizarus> zaafouri, alf mabrouk (1000 congrat)
[21:48] <hanen> zaafouri mabrouk :D
[21:48] <popey> I love looking at arabic on my screen
[21:48] <BslBryan> Firstly, thank you for hearing me today.  :-)
[21:48]  * Mean-Machine is here to cheer for czajkowski, but it looks like she won't be able to attend tonite. apologies on her behalf
[21:49] <popey> can't understand a single letter, just looks beautiful
[21:49] <BslBryan> Ubuntu is my primary operating system, and has been for over a year.
[21:49] <BslBryan>  I have had prior experience with other Linux operating systems, as well, such as Fedora Core 8 -10.
[21:49] <Seveas> ah, not last. joskulj joined during the meeting as well
[21:49] <BslBryan> Ah, okay.
[21:49] <Seveas> BslBryan, but go ahead
[21:49] <BslBryan> All right. :-)
[21:49] <BslBryan> I haven't done much work in terms of Launchpad, but on the Ubuntu forums I am quite active.
[21:49] <BslBryan> For those who haven't seen my wiki page, I have helped numerous people with beginning to advanced problems, providing advice, workarounds, and solutions.
[21:50] <BslBryan> I have also contributed in the way of art.  I have started up a GUI customization project, Infinity, but other than that I am part of no official project.
[21:50] <BslBryan> It could be very simple for me to join numerous projects, however, as a Spanish/English translator.
[21:50] <BslBryan> Most of what I have contributed so far has been available exclusively on the forums, but Launchpad will be of great immediate future use.
[21:50] <BslBryan> As you can see, I have no testimonials on my wiki page.
[21:50] <BslBryan> I believe that the reason for this is because I am relatively new to all of these accounts (Launchpad, and even the forums).
[21:50] <BslBryan> My argument is that, although I have only recently started sharing my help, I have already helped a large amount of people in need.
[21:50] <forumsmatthew> http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=797010
[21:51] <BslBryan> Also, if you're wondering why I simply didn't post a call for testimonials on the forums, considering that's where my work has been shared so far, I did.
[21:51] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, thanks
[21:51] <forumsmatthew> I see you joined the forums two months ago
[21:51] <BslBryan> It's just that one day I might like to be a member of the forum's staff, perhaps, and so must not break the rules, (such as posting a call for testimonials in the "General Help" section.) therefore I posted in an off-topic section, which nobody really paid attention to. :-)
[21:51] <BslBryan> Yes.
[21:51] <BslBryan> Please, view my statistics.
[21:52] <forumsmatthew> http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=59341241 for his recent posts
[21:52] <Seveas> BslBryan, for ubuntu membership we require a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and/or its community. 294 posts on the forums and no testimonials from other community members doesn't cut it for me.
[21:52] <BslBryan> I understand.
[21:52] <BslBryan> Before a -1, however/
[21:52] <BslBryan> may I argue a certain point?
[21:52] <popey> urlfail forumsmatthew
[21:52] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to have to agree. I think you are off to a good start, but that's what it is
[21:52] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, vbulletin says no matches
[21:52] <forumsmatthew> sorry, popey
[21:52] <Seveas> BslBryan, sure go ahead
[21:52] <BslBryan> Thank you. :-)
[21:53] <BslBryan> As I've said, I am not new to the Ubuntu community.  I am only new to online advocacy.
[21:53] <forumsmatthew> from his member page on the forums, click the "statistics" tab
[21:53] <Seveas> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155488
[21:53] <Seveas> spamming to get votes?
[21:53] <BslBryan> My, even initial, forum postings show a broad knowledge of Ubuntu, as well as UNIX.
[21:53] <BslBryan> Read the post, please?
[21:53] <BslBryan> Also, it is off-topic.
[21:54] <BslBryan> I have successfully managed to switch members of my high school (I graduated this year) to Ubuntu, as well as my school's library.
[21:54] <forumsmatthew> I see knowledge, helpfulness, but not (yet) a sustained presence or contribution. I see a good start
[21:55] <BslBryan> I am very eager to help, and in two months I have done a lot.
[21:55] <BslBryan> I believe, anyway. :-)
[21:55] <BslBryan> Please view my wiki page if you haven't already?
[21:55] <Seveas> BslBryan, still, I don't really like such actions. Also, random people shouting means a lot less than known and recognized ubuntu members giving a testimonial. I think that if you continue what you do now (helping people, awesome!), the forum mods will notice you and will leave a testimonial on your wikipage for the next attempt. Please do come back in a few more months.
[21:55] <forumsmatthew> I'm going to recommend spending some more time in the Ubuntu community, including the forums, but not necessarily limited to that venue--join a team or two and participate in a project. Do something with other people
[21:55] <BslBryan> Certainly.
[21:56] <Seveas> BslBryan, I don't question the quality of your contibution, just the duration :)
[21:56] <BslBryan> Of course. :-)
[21:56] <forumsmatthew> I think you have promise
[21:56] <Seveas> -1, but no rejection
[21:56] <BslBryan> Thank you, Seveas. :-)  I will come back soon.
[21:56] <forumsmatthew> but you aren't quite ready. Please do come back later
[21:56] <popey> -1 for the same reasons, keep up the good work BslBryan !
[21:56] <forumsmatthew> -1 for now
[21:57] <Seveas> see you in a few months BslBryan
[21:57] <Seveas> joskulj, you're up
[21:57] <BslBryan> Thanks, everyone.  I'll see you all then.
[21:57] <joskulj> sorry for being so late
[21:58] <joskulj> I am Jochen Skulj from Germany and I'm a translator.
[21:58] <joskulj> I started working with Rosetta in 2005, but in the beginning it was rather confusing for me, since I didn't know where to start and I didn't recieve much feedback if my translations were ok. In 2006 I also joined the German GNOMWE Translation Team where translations where checked via mailing list. Later on, in 2008 I re-joined ubuntu-l10-de. We then established a kind of ToDo-List as a central page for coordination, descri
[21:59] <Seveas> Impressive karma
[21:59] <joskulj> thank you
[21:59] <Seveas> But I know the germans are one of the best organized LoCoteams, which is why I think that only one testimonial on our wikipage is a bit weak
[22:00] <Seveas> given that you mention you organize the translation team, I would like to hear from some of the translators what they think about that
[22:00] <joskulj> a lot of the people I work with are no ubuntu members
[22:01] <joskulj> therefrore I have no testimonails
[22:01] <Seveas> "Ich persönlich habe mir immer schon eine AltGr-Taste auf der linken Seite gewünscht," <--- Awesome idea, I am definitely going to copy that
[22:02] <joskulj> but on
[22:04] <joskulj> so I just have one testimonial#
[22:05] <joskulj> sorry for being a little bit slowq
[22:05] <Seveas> I think I am going for a -0, I like what I see very much but I want one or two more testimonials about your work.
[22:05] <Seveas> but I'm open for arguments as to why this would be a wrong vote :)
[22:07] <Seveas> phanatic, popey, forumsmatthew?
[22:07] <forumsmatthew> I can tell that you have done a lot of work, but it isn't the sort of work that I am qualified to judge. I don't speak German. If there were a couple more people from the German Translation Team who could give even a simple testimonial, I think you would be accepted easily
[22:07] <forumsmatthew> As it is, I"m hesitant, and that is why
[22:07] <joskulj> My problem is that none of the current translators are ubuntu members
[22:07] <popey> they dont necessarily need to be
[22:07] <forumsmatthew> even so, if they are active and can speak on your behalf, that would be useful
[22:08] <Seveas> joskulj, you don't have contact with other parts of the german locoteam or the wider community?
[22:09] <forumsmatthew> Hmm. I want to say "yes," but I just can't get past my desire for a little bit more support from others who know you and your work
[22:09] <joskulj> yes, I have contact to the locoteam and juliux even promised me a testimonial
[22:09] <Seveas> forumsmatthew, my feeling exactly
[22:10] <forumsmatthew> is there anyone here who knows joskulj ?
[22:10] <joskulj> ok, I can understand your argument
[22:11] <phanatic> the next meeting should be in 3 weeks, so it's pretty soon, but still enough time for you to get those testimonials
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> Okay, I need to say -0 for now, with the request that you get some testimonials and come back
[22:11] <joskulj> smurf, do you
[22:11] <popey> Agreed. +0 from me
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> I would like to approve you
[22:11] <forumsmatthew> so please do come back
[22:11] <phanatic> that was a +0 actually :)
[22:12] <Seveas> joskulj, I hope you're not disappointed. Please do get those testimonials from juliux and from a few translators sorted and come back on the next meeting
[22:13] <Seveas> Anyone who want to discuss something else related to the emea membership board?
[22:13] <joskulj> can everyone make testimonials?
[22:13] <knome> Seveas, looks like there is really big problems also on the candidate side on showing up.
[22:14] <knome> Seveas, maybe we/you could emphasize even more on that people need to be well prepared and maybe list some ideas how they could do it.
[22:14] <Seveas> joskulj, yes. But testimonials from people we know usually (at least for me) weigh heavier. So the one testimonial from sebastian did a lot, but just not enough
[22:14] <popey> Seveas: lets book the next one
[22:14] <Seveas> knome, yeah, I'm planning to write some text on that subject
[22:14] <popey> I am on holiday for the next two weeks so may or may not have access (taking laptop)
[22:14] <popey> I would suggest we book 2 weeks today, same time
[22:15] <joskulj> ok, thanks.
[22:15] <knome> Seveas, feel free to contact if you need some subjective comments from the candidate side :)
[22:15] <Seveas> popey, ok
[22:15] <knome> Seveas, (not necessarily negative-only ;>)
[22:15] <Seveas> may 26 ok for you phanatic forumsmatthew ?
[22:15] <forumsmatthew> I will be traveling that week on a family vacation, so I won't be available
[22:16] <Seveas> I'll do all secretarial bits (summary, mail CC, update wiki) tomorrow. LP dance has been done
[22:16] <phanatic> Seveas: i'll be in barcelona then, so i'm sure if i can make it
[22:16] <Seveas> hmm
[22:16] <forumsmatthew> Seveas, you rock
[22:16] <Seveas> june 2nd ok?
[22:16] <phanatic> Seveas: thank you for that
[22:16] <popey> june 2 is good for me
[22:16] <phanatic> for me too
[22:16] <forumsmatthew> me too
[22:17] <Seveas> ok, june 2nd it is, I hope pricey and stgraber will be able to make it as well
[22:17] <hanen> hello guys
[22:17] <Seveas> meeting over.
[22:17] <Seveas> See you all in 3 weeks!
[22:17] <hanen> may I ask a question
[22:17] <Seveas> sure
[22:17] <hanen> how did u get elected for this task?
[22:18] <forumsmatthew> I have to run. Bye, all
[22:18] <Seveas> We paid £1000 each
[22:18] <Seveas> :P
[22:18] <popey> WHAT!?
[22:18] <popey> I paid 2000!
[22:18] <knome> Seveas, you mean you *got paid* ?:P
[22:18] <hanen> no seriuosly :)
[22:18] <popey> seriously, there was a vote
[22:19] <hanen> from whom?
[22:19] <Seveas> hanen, there was a vote among all members.
[22:19] <hanen> all members?
[22:19] <Mamarok> Ubuntu members, hanen
[22:19] <Seveas> no 'from whom'. The CC chose a few people and all members had a yes/no vote on each candidate
[22:20] <hanen> oook nice, and this election is made once a year?
[22:20] <zaafouri> hanen congrats =)
[22:20] <hanen> zaafouri for what?
[22:21] <zaafouri> I wanna see u soon an ubuntu member
[22:21] <zaafouri> =)
[22:22] <hanen> zaafouri inshallah Sir :)
[22:22] <Seveas> hanen, no. Before we got elected, the community council did this task. We have been doing this job for less than a year and I don't know when we will be 'replaced'
[22:22] <popey> has it been less than a year!?
[22:22] <popey> seems like 5
[22:22] <Seveas> yeah, this shit eats you alive
[22:23] <Seveas> I've done so many CC meetings it hurts
[22:23] <ajmitch> popey: everything's a bit hazy still?
[22:23] <hanen> Seveas well at least ure making some gud friendship across :)
[22:23] <Seveas> hanen, yes. The people in the ubuntu community are great :)
[22:23] <popey> ahhh memories
[22:23] <popey> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/493753419/in/photostream/
[22:24] <ajmitch> it burnssss
[22:24] <hanen> Seveas ya even ur pt of view regarding women involvment, that was truly impressive
[22:24] <popey> :)
[22:25] <Seveas> popey, MY EYES ARE BLEEDING
[22:26] <popey> :)
[22:26] <Seveas> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonobacon/493731404/in/photostream/ suicide bacon?
[22:26] <Seveas> anyway, back to hacking on django apps
[22:27] <Seveas> cya
[22:27] <popey> see you!
[22:27] <hanen> thanks for the answer :)
[22:27]  * ajmitch hopefully escaped the camera most of the time
[22:27] <ajmitch> iirc those injuries were due to an orange tree?
[22:29] <Seveas> yeah
[22:29] <Seveas> or a duck (I pity the fowl!)