=== heHATEme is now known as Vorian [00:22] * Seeker` ->sleep [00:39] * genii sips [00:55] anyone around? === popey_ is now known as popey [00:57] hello? [00:59] TheFunkbomb: The op who is responsible for your ban in #ubuntu-offtopic is currently unavailable. Please try again later [00:59] he told me to ask someone else [01:01] TheFunkbomb: As I understand you had some issue with an op and you wer referred to the !appeals factoid [01:01] !appeals [01:01] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or at irc-council@list.ubuntu.com. [01:01] no, he told me to ask someone else [01:02] genii, would you be interested in listening? [01:02] TheFunkbomb: I'm reading logs concerning it. Be patient . [01:03] okay [01:06] TheFunkbomb: Ikonia referred you to Pici, who I belive is not present right now. Please return here later to try again. [01:06] actually, ikonia referred me to anyone who will read it. [01:07] TheFunkbomb: I suggest you wait for someone else to deal with your issue, [01:08] so genii, what do you think? [01:09] TheFunkbomb: No op will usually unban another op's without extenuating circumstances of some sort. This does not appear to exist in this case. Your next step of course would be to follow the appeals procedure, etc [01:10] I believe ikonia gave permission... however if the others disagree and want to remove the ban , I have zero issue with that [01:10] _if_ others disagree [01:11] right... and I'm asking for others to review what happened. [01:12] I have, and feel your ban should stand until the original op feels like removing it. Others may have other views. So far it does not seem that anyone feels inclined to remove it. [01:13] may I ask why? [01:14] TheFunkbomb: Why I have this view, or why it seems others are not inclined also to lift the ban? [01:15] why you have this view. I wouldn't expect you to speak for others. [01:16] I honestly think a simple misunderstanding has gone too far. [01:17] TheFunkbomb: Your original ban was valid. If there was some op impropriety it should have been taken up by you in the manner suggested (eg: !appeals). Rather than insisting on beleaguering it in this channel, which you were subsequently not helping your situation by being argumentative, etc. [01:17] I don't see it as argumentative. I become nasty when I argue. I was defending myself. [01:20] That isnt compliant with the Ubuntu Code of Conduct. [01:21] TheFunkbomb: Regardless, you were given direction to remedy what you felt was improper op behaviour. Rather than take this course, you decided to idle in the operator channel and try to convince others to lift your ban, etc etc. To an extent in fact where you had to be removed from the channel. [01:21] It's not the kind of behaviour we expect from members of the community. [01:21] genii, I wasn't idling. It wasn't like I was afk. He told me to ask another Op. I was waiting for another Op [01:21] then he didn't like me waiting for another op [01:23] don't tell someone to find another Op and then get pissy when he tries [01:23] he specifically said come back later [01:23] not hang around and nag other ops [01:23] TheFunkbomb: You were told to return "in an hour" or so, etc. But did not leave the channel and then return at the suggested time, but rather idled. [01:24] some people have lives. [01:24] You do know that, right?\ [01:25] thinly veiled insults dont help your cause [01:25] TheFunkbomb: That is not in dispute. The operators here live in many timezones, and are not always available at a time convenient to you. [01:25] popey, where is the insult? [01:26] implying we have no lives [01:26] genii, I realize that but Pici said he got held up with work. I figured he'd be back in a short while. I don't have the time to pop in here every hour in the hopes of someone being around. [01:26] popey, where did I imply that? [01:27] look up a 7-8 lines [01:27] Right, I don't see where I implied you don't have lives. [01:27] saying you do implies we dont [01:28] No it doesn't [01:31] So neither of you are interested in looking at this incident? [01:31] genii just said he did look at it [01:31] TheFunkbomb: Since none of the parties more directly involved, such as ikonia, Pici, or Myrtti seem to be responding right now, and no one currently available has shown any inclination to unban, your courses of action currently seem to be: return later when one of them IS here or: follow the appeals process if you feel you have been gravely wronged [01:32] why can't you just undo it? The problem has been resolved. [01:33] TheFunkbomb: I personally would not unban another op's ban without consulting them first. In this instance: They are not available and: I feel it was just in the first case. [01:33] whatever [01:34] Well that was 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back ;) [01:34] heh [01:35] I expect we'll see them again later [03:09] * genii makes more coffee [04:55] OK, I'm out. [05:01] faileas called the ops in #kubuntu () [07:28] In ubottu, clug said: !lol is lol [07:29] sorry about that [07:29] I accidently gave obottu a fake fact, I didn't realize it worked like that [07:39] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:39] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:39] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [09:12] @mark #ubuntu cycrosism@ spamming rickroll URL's in multiple channels - ubuntu was one of them. According to other channels has a history of it, check #srl [09:12] The operation succeeded. [09:13] ah, was going to ask what that was about [09:23] gah. what's the syntax to restrict a !tell to one specific channel? [09:24] Madpilot: !factoid-#channel is foo [09:24] thanks [09:26] #window 40 [09:26] oops [09:53] anyone around? [09:53] ya [09:54] * tonyyarusso too [09:54] problem somewhere, TheFunkbomb? [09:54] Yes. I would like to have my ban from #ubuntu-offtopic lifted please [09:55] @btlogin [09:57] or, at the very least, if we could discuss it [10:00] hello? [10:00] ikonia, topyli: This seems to be yours. [10:00] no, they said others may weigh in. ikonia said if others feel it should be overturned, they are free to do so [10:01] That's fine, although I'm afraid I should be spending my time on my homework that's due in six hours this time. [10:01] okay :/ [10:01] Madpilot, how about you? [10:02] I'm going to leave it up to the ops who were there and set the bans. [10:03] TheFunkbomb: so [10:03] topyli, hello [10:03] although what I've read in the logs doesn't impress me. Misogyny much? [10:04] what misogyny? [10:05] TheFunkbomb: you were *originally* banned for your sexist behavior on #offtopic. that should be remedied [10:05] okay, I'm confused here. What was sexist? [10:05] later, you have made matters a lot worse by being a smartass when confronted with the original issue [10:06] " hey, who wants to help harass a stupid woman?" and then asinine defense that it wasn't breaking the CoC because the harassment wouldn't be on IRC... [10:06] that has been expained to you numerous times with all possible words. i'm not going to do it all over again [10:06] How is that sexism or misogyny? [10:06] I don't understand how that's sexism [10:06] forget specifics, how is a statement like that remotely in compliance with the Ubuntu CoC? [10:07] I felt it fell into a gray area. [10:07] right now the worst issue is that you come here every day to play dumb. i'm not playing, sorry [10:07] actually, no one explained to me how it was sexism [10:07] TheFunkbomb, how is enrolling assistance to harrass someone 'respectful' or 'considerate'? [10:08] one topic at a time please. [10:08] Explain to me how it is sexism [10:08] asking for help targeting *anyone* for harassment would have earned you the ban. stop playing dumb. [10:09] TheFunkbomb, it is sexism because it displays 'misogyny' which is summed up as 'hatred or disrespect for women and women's issues' [10:10] you intended to persecute a woman for something she said in a womens' advice community [10:10] okay elky, and I agree with that definition but where did I say I was harassing this woman because she is a woman? Calling her a woman is completely just a descriptor [10:11] TheFunkbomb, you stalk womens' advice websites often? [10:11] nah, I hit it through stumbleupon [10:11] I'm quite active in women's rights [10:11] and you decided to harass the person why? [10:12] because it was such a ridiculous question. [10:12] TheFunkbomb, actually, it's not. [10:12] I thought it was. [10:13] TheFunkbomb, you may have been given an in-depth course in biology and reproduction, but people who are excluded from those subjects for whatever reasons their parents decide often dont understand the specifics. [10:13] If you threw a rock in the air and 5 seconds later, you got hit in the head with a rock, would you question where that rock came from? [10:13] if i had not been taught about gravity, sure. [10:14] Yes, but you could also use reasoning. That's where the funny came in. The woman and her husband's lack of reasoning [10:14] and their desires to breed. [10:15] you are applying hindsight. she may not have had that opportunity. [10:15] Now, that's a funny image that I won't even start to explain [10:16] Hi, someone might want to put an eye on Bacta, thanks! [10:16] oh not that pest again [10:16] So, I will admit I was wrong, if you folks can agree that my intent was not to be misogynistic or sexist. [10:19] TheFunkbomb: i can not know what your intent was. it appeared sexist, you got banned. you should say "sorry" and promise to avoid such language. that's what most people do when misunderstood in an unfortunate way [10:19] then your ban would be lifted [10:19] well, it would have been if he'd not been a moron afterwards. [10:20] now i'm not very happy with having you on any channel because you obviously don't have any intention to respect the rules or those why try to uphold them [10:20] I apologize that you believe my comment to be sexist but it truly wasn't. [10:21] TheFunkbomb, you still have not explained how recriuiting harrassment assistance is in compliance with the Code of Conduct. [10:21] Because the harassment would have happened off of IRC. [10:21] and that makes it all right to ask for help in an Ubuntu IRC channel? [10:21] really? [10:22] TheFunkbomb, no, that's the wrong answer. [10:23] I already said it was not right and by stopping, I showed that it wouldn't happen again [10:23] "Hey, who wants to help me harass some stupid noob on WoW?" would have gotten pretty much the same response - not appropriate for an Ubuntu IRC channel... [10:25] * popey notes the weasel words used in the "apology" [10:26] * tonyyarusso took a break from reading PoliSci to read IRC logs, and joins in recommending against removal of anything, even more so from ensuing conversations than the original, then goes back to reading PoliSci [10:26] not apologising for the act, apologising that others believe the comment is sexist isnt an apology [10:27] popey, why should I apologize for something that wasn't sexist. I apologize for it being wrong and I apologize that I misunderstood ikonia's comments as ball busting but there was nothing sexist about it. [10:29] put down the shovel, man. You're digging yourself deeper and deeper... [10:29] if you dont intend to apolgise then don't, but don't try to appear to apologise to engraciate yourself with the ops with a view to being unbanned [10:29] It just makes you look less and less like the kind of person that the Ubuntu community wants kicking around with each step. [10:30] the word "woman" was just a descriptor. No where does it show intent of harassing a woman simply because she's a woman [10:31] you still haven't shown a single bit of remorse for anything other than getting caught. you're not appearing in the least remorseful for the act of recruiting trolls. [10:31] * Madpilot wonders when TheFunkbomb will reach China, at the rate he's going... [10:31] elky, I already apologized for it. [10:32] I disagree. However even if one were to put that aside, you're still not acting like the kind of person _I_ would want in this community. I've seen no positive contribution. [10:32] TheFunkbomb: you can't apologize for what others think. you can only answer for your own actions [10:32] an apology isn't remorse. you've apologised for getting caught. you've not expressed any indication that you are genuinely sorry for breaking the community's rules. [10:33] elky, did you miss this? " I apologize for it being wrong and I apologize that I misunderstood ikonia's comments as ball busting but there was nothing sexist about it." [10:34] TheFunkbomb: That was not missed - it is *precisely* the problem. [10:34] "I apologize for it being wrong" <-- this is 'i'm sorry for getting caught' [10:35] 'I apologize that I misunderstood ikonia's comments' <-- this is 'i'm sorry i started digging' [10:35] "it being wrong" is not "I was wrong". The latter is what you need if you want any prayer of being taken seriously, although at this point you're going to need far more than that. [10:35] and the rest after 'wrong' is 'but I really didn't do anything wrong, you're being mean!' [10:36] I apologized! What else do you want? [10:36] An apology for what you did [10:36] not an apology for getting caught [10:36] i want you to explain *why* it was wrong for a start. [10:37] TheFunkbomb: so far you have apologized for women who don't like being dissed. you have no intention to admit what you did was wrong. you have no respect for the community rules, and you certainly don't seem to appreciate the time and effort of those who work to uphold them [10:37] I broke the CoC [10:37] progress [10:38] TheFunkbomb, how was it a break of the CoC? [10:38] I really don't even see the point of this. Even if I do get unbanned, you're just going to bust my balls over something else immediately [10:38] like what? got something planned? [10:39] no, but giving your history of reading into things that don't exist, I'm sure you'll find something [10:39] How is this even remotely helping? [10:39] so this particular thing "doesn't exist" either? [10:40] given how busy the ubuntu channels are, if you behave most of us will forget the whole episode in a week or two... but that time gets longer the more you act the twit... [10:40] topyli, mainly the sexism thing. [10:40] iulian called the ops in #ubuntu-motu () [10:41] TheFunkbomb: yes that one [10:41] TheFunkbomb, you've been instructed a dozen times already to take this through the appeals process if you're unhappy with the resolution here. I suggest taking it up there, or dropping it. This is a cyclical waste of resource right now. [10:41] fine. [10:41] !appeals [10:41] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or at irc-council@list.ubuntu.com. [10:42] jussi01, did you roll the db back at all? [10:42] heads up on the spammer that just hit -motu and +1 [10:42] * elky huggles Hobbsee [10:42] :D [10:42] * Hobbsee huggles elky [10:43] if a staffer wants to smack him over the head, that would be lovely [10:43] you just missed all the fun here, Hobbsee [10:43] Madpilot: oh? who was it? [10:44] TheFunkBomb, who thinks it's everyone elses fault but his that he's a clueless misogynists prat. [10:44] oh, fun [10:44] hey, jussi01, your friend is back [10:44] that IP is dynamic. [10:45] Hobbsee: who? where? [10:45] jussi01: the one you banned half an hour ago [10:45] Madpilot, i believe that he didn't intend to be misogynistic. most sexist pigs dont realise they're doing it. [10:45] heh [10:46] no seriously. it's a culturally bred thing. it's how they're raised to behave and they dont know why they do it, since it's 90% reflex. [10:47] jussi01: fixed (hopefully) [10:47] :) [10:47] I know, I've seen it in practice IRL too, elky [10:47] yeah, i know. i just felt like saying it [10:48] co-worker says something incredibly, stupidly sexist, someone calls them on it, gets a totally blank look in response. [10:48] the whole "I thought recruiting trolls would be OK because I wasn't going to be trolling this channel" crap was also charming [10:48] what hurts more is the girls who say stuff like 'oh, hooters is a family restaurant! my husband takes me and the kids there all the time!' or 'i make the coffee because that's what girls are made for' [10:49] the latter is an almost direct quote from Brunette Barbie, the resident ditz at work. [10:49] the former is an almost direct quote from the other woman on the test team [10:49] ... really? [10:50] yes. [10:50] both. [10:50] wow [10:50] ... wow. [10:50] the coffee one... there's a chromosome-linked coffee-making gene? O Rly? [10:50] Madpilot, explains why i make damn good espresso! [10:51] explains why I've never made decent coffee, don't like it much, and now drink lots of tea, I guess. [10:51] You can have ur coffee-makin' skillz - I got the real food covered. [10:51] * wgrant is a tea person too. [10:51] Mmm French toast [10:51] This must prove that she was right. [10:51] hehehe [10:51] * tonyyarusso also goes for tea [10:52] but seriously, you can follow the adventures of brunette barbie on my twitter/identi.ca/facebook feeds [10:52] * popey hugs -ops [10:53] * Nafallo rather have someone good at making coffee making his coffee [10:54] more often than not, that's a machine... :-P [10:54] the trick is to use an espresso machine, not that dirty instant stuff. [10:54] * elky ^5's Nafallo [10:54] instant coffee isn't coffee, it's just wasted water [10:54] elky: hehe. reading my caotic mind again, are we? ;-) [10:54] ziroday called the ops in #ubuntu (Bacta) [10:55] chaotic as well :-) [10:55] overreact... [10:55] haha [10:55] pileon in #u [10:55] that spammer hitting other channels has us all edgy :) [10:55] Madpilot, i hate probably iddnt need a ban... [10:56] I'll remove it [10:56] I did /cs kb by reflex [10:56] gone [10:57] * tonyyarusso kinda likes the 60-second bans - keeps 'em from popping right back with something dumber [10:57] /knockout $nick [10:57] Hello [10:57] tonyyarusso: i hadn't heard about those - what are they? [10:58] Can I please come back? [10:58] Hobbsee: Madpilot just demonstrated accidentally. [10:58] tonyyarusso: i wasn't there :( [10:58] Hobbsee: It's not like it's a special setting or anything fun (although you can modify /at to do it in bleh) [10:58] Hobbsee: You were here - that's plenty of info. [10:59] good point [10:59] I won't be bad anymore [11:00] Bacta, i do not trust you at all. you're a perpetual pest with a long history across multiple networks. [11:00] um, Madpilot - I think you actually took out a bystander. [11:00] across multiple networks? Name one other than Freenode? [11:00] * tonyyarusso has PARTS ignored, so isn't positive, but your +b is wrong [11:00] tonyyarusso, he kind of joined in [11:00] Bacta, Linuxchix. [11:00] ah [11:00] tonyyarusso, not entirely "I_Hate_Freedom> After Choking Chicken" [11:00] * tonyyarusso didn't see who [11:00] I thought perhaps you'd pulled a tonyyarusso on the the tabcomplete :P [11:01] And there was almost a police investigation over that elky [11:02] I don't know how the people over at Linuxchix got access to my personal information but it is very worrying, especially when one has a family [11:02] Bacta, quit the bullcrap. You're not getting back into #ubuntu. period. [11:03] That make you angry elky? [11:03] eh? [11:04] I'm in #ubuntu right now btw [11:04] :) [11:05] did you just admit to ban-evading? on a logged channel? [11:05] in which case, why are you pointing this out, and why are you here? [11:06] Bacta: no problem I'll speak to freenode [11:06] My question now is how long this ban is set for [11:06] seems the only smart thing to do is to keep as quiet as possible, in the hope people don't notice, really... [11:06] Bacta: you've done the masterbarting monkey line multiple times - [11:07] Bacta: I can only assume this is "what you do" [11:07] hey RichiH [11:07] hi RichiH. bacta just admitted to us he's ban evading. [11:07] ahh staff, bang on time [11:07] *sigh* [11:07] Some people are gullible [11:08] Why evade a ban on a channel when there are dozens of other Linux channels on Freenode I can ask my questions in? [11:08] you shouldn't say things that will get you into trouble if they are not true [11:08] * Hobbsee watches Bacta's chances expontentially decrease [11:08] Bacta: ok - so lets not remove the ban then, and you can use those other channels [11:08] Bacta: in the mean time freenode can look at your bragging about ban evading [11:08] how does that sound ? [11:08] Sure, I can just go into #debian instead [11:08] ok, bye [11:08] Practically the same thing [11:09] problem solved [11:09] ya, #debian LOVES Ubuntu questions... [11:09] Any staff on Freenode can see my IP [11:09] With or without a cloak [11:09] Bacta: well if you lose your cloak for bragging about ban evading - others will be able to see it too to verify [11:09] Bacta, they can also see a history of previous connections, and which hosts those were from. [11:09] Bacta: but anyway, the ubuntu issue is resolved so lets leave it there [11:10] super [11:11] wow, it's like two-for-one night on sexist trolls with a compulsion to get themselves in more trouble... [11:11] elky: apologies for stepping in there, but I wasn't going to allow his comapling about his other network issues get brougth into it [11:11] I must remember to try something like that when I'm next going through airport security. [11:11] ikonia, it's an intertwined issue. [11:12] wgrant: "are sheep allowed on the plane?" [11:12] ikonia, a long running one RichiH is familiar with, hence why i called on him [11:12] ahhhh [11:12] I didn't wwant him moaning about it in here "it's not fair" etc etc [11:12] Nafallo: I'm not from NZ! [11:12] Nafallo, only in NZ, .au, and Scotland [11:13] .... [11:13] he doesnt usually go to that. at least he hasnt taken residence in my PM yet [11:13] Madpilot: Three countries, and you pick three separate ways of indicating them? [11:13] tonyyarusso: Nobody says New Zealand, so there's only two ways there. [11:13] tonyyarusso, consistency is the sign of.. something-or-other. Nothing good, anyway. [11:14] Madpilot, certainly not a sign of US standards... [11:14] good thing I'm from Darkest Canuckistan, then [11:14] elky: You must mean US standards [11:14] indeed. your trillion is a real trillion, unlike those pitiful USian ones. [11:15] "There must be this much white space between completely opposing concepts." [11:15] wgrant, Madpilot: you people so haven't heard Mastering Swedish apparently... [11:15] wgrant, Madpilot: http://home.nafallo.info/tmp/mastering_swedish_-_lesson_1.mp3 [11:16] * Madpilot is scared to click that link... [11:16] public_html/tmp/mastering_swedish_-_lesson_1.mp3: Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encoding [11:16] stop being scared :-P [11:17] just because it really is an mp3 doesn't make me less nervous :) [11:18] rofl, what is this? [11:19] there is 2 3 4 and 5 as well if you like the first one ;-) [11:19] just change the URL [11:19] oh god [11:19] I hate you. [11:19] I have homework to do! [11:19] haha [11:20] Nafallo: Are these actually right? [11:20] tonyyarusso: with concerns to translation, yes :-) [11:20] and utter nonsense in both languages? [11:20] :-) [11:20] * Nafallo is heading for a visit of the buildds. [11:21] bbiab :-) [11:21] "The duck turned into the Holy Spirit."??? [11:24] transsubquackiation. well known phenomenomomomom [11:24] lol... [11:30] !-appeal [11:30] appeal has no aliases - added by elky on 2009-04-25 19:01:44 - last edited by elky on 2009-05-10 14:32:17 [11:30] o.O [11:31] it's reverted my s/email-addy/please read the page for the email addy/ thing or something... [11:31] !appeal [11:31] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [11:33] what should it say, elky? [11:35] hold on... [11:36] !appeal [11:36] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [11:36] !appeals [11:36] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or at irc-council@list.ubuntu.com. [11:36] * elky headdesks [11:36] !forget appeals [11:36] I'll forget that, elky [11:36] !appeals is appeal [11:36] But appeals already means something else! [11:36] grrrrrrrr [11:38] jussi01, around? [11:41] Bacta: whats up now ? [11:42] Can I msg you? [11:42] why ? [11:43] I would prefer to bring up this issue in a more closed setting [11:43] ok then [11:43] Bacta: The appeals process wiki page already directed you to a more closed setting. You must use that one, not just keep messing around in here. [11:47] back [11:51] Hello [11:51] I would like to appeal my ban [11:51] Bacta: you now have the appeals process information, please follow it through [11:51] I have [11:51] To the letter [11:51] super [11:51] then if there is nothing else, could you please leave the channel [11:52] I have not sworn [11:52] I have msg'd the op [11:52] Now I am taking it here since step 2 has failed [11:52] * tonyyarusso briefly points out that your ban was from elky, not me - I just did the remove [11:53] I have that individual on ignore, please don't make me explain why [11:53] Bacta: ok - well I'll follow up step 3 [11:53] Bacta: your behaviour is unacceptable - you know this, you still do it [11:57] Bacta: anything else ? [11:58] 'that individual'? [12:12] @login [12:12] The operation succeeded. [12:12] @btlogin [12:22] popey, know ianto? [12:22] yes :S [12:22] I'd vote -1 [12:22] why? [12:23] !membership [12:23] Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember [12:23] because he's caused some conflict in -uk, he has been incredibly impatient [12:23] its quite a long story [12:24] is he likely to have a cheersquad at all? [12:24] he was asked to work with the -uk loco (as wales is in the uk) and accepts that but then refuses to do so, changes mind when it suits him [12:24] hasn't actually contirbuted much [12:24] two people he asked to cheer for him a few mins agio [12:24] one of which i dont think even understands what membership is [12:24] interesting bugabundo's applying for membership also [12:25] ianto managed to get a loco cd pack even after I told him that non-approved locos dont get them [12:25] popey, i like my membership meetings to have both sides of the story. [12:25] he went to canonical and asked for one (and they stupidly gave it to him) [12:25] I don't see ianto on the list ? [12:26] he is on the asia one probably [12:26] because he cant make the emea one tonight [12:26] ooh, yet he' in -uk working for whales [12:26] ahhh he's not in apac [12:27] nope, not on the apec list either, although I think it's an old list [12:27] I see him [12:27] odd list, ziro day is on the list, yet he's already been approved, and ianto is on the same list ? [12:27] his contribution isn't large [12:28] how long does it take to get a reply from !appeals? [12:28] usually [12:29] TheFunkbomb: I think it depends on when the appeals guys all get a chance to read the mail and get together [12:29] I see. [12:29] I don't know for a fact though, keep in mind that irc is spread out aross the world, I'd expect 24 hours to pass [12:29] (again not fact) [12:29] understandable. [12:29] You gonna let the ban up or not? [12:30]