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mobi-sheepI figure #ubuntu-server would be appropriate for my problem.  I have an eth0 issue.  The wire is plugged in and it seems that I b0rked it because I endlessly was trying to bridge few days ago.00:36
mobi-sheepIf anybody could help me resolve my issue, that'd be truly great. ;<00:36
Doctor_Nickwhat00:42
Doctor_Nickwhy did you do that00:43
FFForeverhow can i run /home/chris/bin/psig once an hour as the user chris01:00
FFForever?01:02
maxbcron01:04
FFForeverhow come i don't have a /etc/crontab?01:04
tsrkFFForever, use crontab -e01:05
tsrkor just have a look at the crontab vile01:05
tsrkfile*01:06
tsrkit's stored in some obscure place in /var01:06
tsrkit says where in the crontab man file, but for editing it's best to use crontab -e01:06
MkJacksonHey folks, me again, I was wanting to change my configuration on my server to go from static ip to dhcp on eth0, I was pointed to /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 but it doesn't seem to exist, any ideas?01:06
FFForevertsrk, crontab is an unknown command01:07
tsrkFFForever, it's a command on mine...01:07
FFForeverchris@chr1831:~$ crontab01:07
FFForever-bash: crontab: command not found01:07
tsrkFFForever, do you have cron installed?01:07
FFForeveri do now :D01:08
tsrkok, sounds good :)01:08
tsrkhow'd you get ubuntu installed without it though?01:08
tsrkdid you uninstall it?01:08
tsrkalso, i just noticed, there is /etc/crontab01:09
FFForevertsrk, i am using the xen image provided by my vps =\01:09
tsrkah i see01:09
FFForeverit is missing a lot of normal stuff =\01:09
stickystyleMkJackson: sysconfig you will find on RedHat boxes, /etc/network/interfaces for ubuntu/debian01:10
stickystyleMkJackson: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html01:10
stickystyleJust reverse the directions01:10
FFForeverlike this?, 0 * * * * /home/chris/bin/pisg01:12
FFForever(for once an hour)01:12
MkJacksonstickystyle: thanks!01:29
owhThis is driving me nuts. postfix seems to be ignoring /etc/aliases and .forward and I'm stuffed if I can figure out what is going on. Any suggestions on narrowing down the issue?03:10
owhMail to external addresses is working fine. Mail to root gets sent to root@mydomain, and not to the aliases or .forward.03:11
owhAnyone?03:41
geniiowh: Did you run newaliases  after changing them?03:44
owhyup03:46
geniiowh: Anything useful in logs?03:48
genii( /var/log/mail.log)03:49
owhgenii: No, it just delivers the mail, no errors, nothing indicating that it's trying to use an alias or a .forward and failing, it's just sending it.03:49
owhJust not to anything I've specified :(03:49
owhgenii: If I drop out, my workstation internet is doing something weird, no web-traffic at all :(03:50
geniiowh: After alias change/newaliases did you refresh/reload postfix?03:50
owhgenii: Yup03:51
owhgenii: It's like there's a switch that makes all deliveries remote, rather than try local first.03:51
geniiowh: Do other aliases in the system work?03:53
owhgenii: You mean postfix aliases?03:53
geniiowh: Yes03:53
owhgenii: There's only one alias.03:54
owhgenii: All it's supposed to do is map root to administrator03:54
owhgenii: Then in the .forward for administrator it's supposed to forward mail to external users.03:55
owhgenii: Just sent an email direct to administrator, hadn't done that yet. It sends it to administrator@mydomain, not to the address in .forward03:56
geniiowh: I havent had to debug postfix in a long time, apologies. My next guess would be perhaps it isn't using the aliases because maybe it hasn't been specified in it's mailrc or with postconf or such03:57
genii(where the aliases file is)03:57
owhThis machine was running exim4 until a few hours ago. It had the same problem. I wasn't happy with exim for a number of reasons. I purged it and did a fresh postfix install.03:58
owhpostconf -n shows that it knows about /etc/aliases03:58
owhJust found something strange:03:59
owhmydestination = localhost.localdomain, localhost03:59
geniiHmm. If same issue with two different mail systems, points to some other issue like routing paths or so03:59
owhBut /etc/mailname shows mydomain03:59
owhI wonder if I should change /etc/mailname to localhost.localdomain04:00
owhThat then means that unqualified addresses are delivered to the endpoint for that. So, root becomes root@localhost.localdomain, which is then delivered locally.04:01
geniiowh: Past this is where I currently would have to consult manuals myself on the variables and what gets used in what order there. I recall something about mydomain or overrides, vaguely04:01
owhDoes that make sense?04:01
owhgenii: You understand that mydomain is not what it actually says right, it is my actual domain.04:01
geniiowh: Yes, if you have mydomain it will try fqdn04:02
owhSo, then if I change /etc/mailname to localhost.localdomain, all should be good I'm thinking.04:03
owhHoly crap.04:04
owhThat looks like it might be working.04:04
* owh does more testing.04:04
* genii drinks a decaf and thinks about bed04:04
owhWhoot!04:07
owhgenii: Thank you for prodding me along.04:08
geniiowh: Glad to have assisted, although you did all the actual diagnoses/work04:08
owhgenii: Perhaps, but your prodding made me look in other places, which then prompted me to think harder, so without your poking, this would have taken much longer than it already has. So thanks.04:09
geniiowh: Well, glad it's resolved :)04:09
owhYeah.04:09
* owh curses /etc/mailname. I suspect it was what caused exim to die also.04:10
* owh pats ngrep :)04:10
twbNeat, I'll have to remember that next time I'm using tshark04:12
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owhtwb: What, ngrep or mailname :)04:20
twbngrep04:20
owhtwb: I like this: ngrep -d any port 2504:20
twbOh, so you're just using it like tshark.04:20
owhtwb: Dunno, never used tshark :)04:21
twbDid you also try "nc localhost smtp" and then manually "HELO fred"?04:21
twbtshark = wireshark04:21
owhtwb: You mean like telnet localhost 25 :)04:22
twbYes, except that telnet is evil04:22
twbnc/socat are cooler04:22
owhOf course it is.04:22
owhNow all I need to do is figure out which *&%$ DNS server has fallen over...04:23
owhWonderful, is OpenDNS working for anyone else?04:24
twbfor i in <dns servers; do host foo $i; done04:24
owhIt gets better. I can ping OpenDNS from a remote host, just not from here - carry on.04:26
geniiowh: It's working fine for me04:26
genii(opendns)04:26
owhgenii: Yeah, works on a remote server here too, just not locally. No idea why though, time to reset my internet connection.04:26
owh1Nothing like bodgy network device firmware.04:30
orudieso in order to install xen, do i need an OS as a base, or i first install xen then guest operating systems on top ?04:32
owh1No idea.04:33
tonyyarussoorudie: Host OS first, then xen packages, then guest OS within xen.04:41
orudiethanx04:42
orudietrying to figure out why my computer resents on rundom...04:42
orudielast thing i had installed on it was ubuntu server04:43
orudietrying to think of a piece of hardware that could have caused it04:43
oh_noes1Im trying to reduce the size of hardy/JeOS.  Can I delete /usr/src/linux-headers-* if I have no plans to ever run gcc or build anything on it05:32
twbWhat is a JeOS?05:33
oh_noes1That's still 350MB for me.05:34
oh_noes1http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/jeos05:34
twbOh, a kernel for VMs05:35
oh_noes1Im just looking for a debian based (apt) OS that has a small (not busybox) footprint.  Hopefully around 100Mb.05:35
twbYou'd be better off removing the associated package.05:35
oh_noes1Ubuntu server is defalt 700Mb, JeOS is nice at 350 but still not ideal for my needs05:35
pwnguinever heard of dpigs?05:36
twboh_noes1: do you have the install in front of you (i.e. ssh or whatever)?  If so, is aptitude installed?05:38
oh_noes1Yep I have aptitude05:39
twbOK, you can use that (or debfoster/deborphan) to work out which packages you don't need05:39
oh_noes1Ubuntu JeOS is just the same as Ubuntu Server, except kernel optimized for VM's and missing all X and other unused libs05:39
oh_noes1oh cool, ta let me look into that05:40
twbYou can also use grep-dctrl to list installed packages by package size, so you can remove the biggest ones first.05:40
twbThe grep-dctrl manpage contains that use case in its EXAMPLES section05:40
gaveenoh_noes1, I think you should be ok removing linux-headers if you are sure that you won't be building anything05:40
twbgaveen: I'm surprised its even installed by default05:41
gaveenbuilding some kernel modules require them05:41
gaveen*kernel modules (not just some) :)05:42
oh_noes1yeh thanks, i'll start by removing the headers and maybe even build-essentials05:42
oh_noes1then delete /usr/share/doc05:42
oh_noes1might be a quick win05:42
gaveenbut for a JeOS it's kinda odd to have it. true05:42
twbgaveen: you mean it's there for bloody vmware-thingy-tools?05:42
twbGrrpmnh05:43
oh_noes1I think so lol05:43
twboh_noes1: you should NOT start out by deleting parts of the filesystem05:43
twboh_noes1: start out by removing unnecessary packages.05:43
oh_noes1I'm 99% confident vmwaretools (lets ignore it's 100Mb) needs it to build an additional 150MB into the OS05:43
gaveentwb, possibly. plus there are other modules,.. like device drivers requiring them05:43
twbgaveen: it's a VM!05:43
oh_noes1twb: there are no unnesscary packages, headers, build-essentials and thats it05:43
oh_noes1it05:43
twboh_noes1: why do you need build-essential and kernel headers?05:44
oh_noes1Its not a life server, it's for an ISV and obviously i can create as many of these VMs as I want to test05:44
oh_noes1breaking anything isnt a problem05:44
oh_noes1twb: i dont ... vmbuilder must be auto installing them05:44
twb"du -mx / | sort -nr | head -$((LINES - 1))" will tell you which directories consume the most space.05:44
oh_noes1*sigh05:45
oh_noes1126     /usr/lib/vmware-tools is the 8th on the list, closely behind /usr lol05:45
twboh_noes1: I suggest you install open-vmware-tools instead of the proprietary one.  The former are pre-compiled by Debian, so you don't need to build them and thus don't need the build tools.05:46
oh_noes1thanks i'll look into that05:46
twbAlso, the vmware tools are really only useful for two things: hgfs (not available in vmware-server) and opengl tunnelling (not useful for a server VM).05:46
oh_noes1ironically, we only use vmware tools for the shutdown of the guest OS from ESX.  That's it05:47
oh_noes1Well, from the service console.05:47
twbssh $guest halt05:47
twbNote also that open-vm-tools is split into GUI and CLI sections (unlike VMware's version), so you don't need to install all those X libs.05:48
twbOh, maybe you DO need to build open-vm-source using m-a...05:49
twbBut you could do that once, roll the .deb, then just install that deb into each VM05:49
oh_noes1yeah, I'll investigate open-vm-tool more05:51
oh_noes1even if it means building a cut down lean CLI only specific version for myself05:51
oh_noes1that just halts the OS05:51
dhrubahelp06:09
twbdhruba: insufficient data06:13
skiqueldhruba: C06:14
skiqueltry turning it on and off again06:14
skiquel(it crowd, hehe)06:14
skiqueldhruba: what's happening?06:14
quizmewhat's an LTS Server is that the same as Desktop server?06:20
twbquizme: LTS is a policy, not a thing.06:33
twbquizme: an LTS release is a bit like having an extended warranty06:33
* ajmitch guesses there could have been confusion with LTSP06:33
twbThere is no connection between LTSP and LTS -- they just happen to have similar acronyms.06:34
ajmitchvery similar06:34
twbOf course, LTSP runs on Ubuntu, including the LTS releases...06:35
* tonyyarusso thinks you're making it worse06:35
ajmitchtonyyarusso: that's what I do06:35
quizmeoh06:35
tonyyarussoajmitch: hehe06:35
ajmitchLTS = Long Term Support06:35
quizmeoh oh06:36
quizmewhen i install postfix then TLS and SASL are compiled into postfix already?06:36
tonyyarussoCompiled yes.  Configured no.06:36
* ajmitch prepares to break the world by uploading merges06:37
sorenajmitch: Don't forget the alpha freeze.06:43
ajmitchsoren: I know, I hadn't seen any of the usual freeze announcement in #ubuntu-devel yet though06:44
ajmitchso far it's just apache2 & squid, since they tend to be useful for me06:45
sorenajmitch: It was announced on ubuntu-devel-announce.06:46
sorenHaven't seen anything in #ubuntu-devel either..06:46
ajmitchyes, the tuesday-thursday thing06:46
* ajmitch was reading mail also :)06:46
soren*nod*06:46
ajmitchbesides, I wasn't going to upload these straight away because of that06:47
ajmitchI was even thinking of getting someone to quickly check them first, since it's been a little while since I uploaded to main06:48
* ajmitch wonders if apr-util just needs a giveback on i38606:51
tonyyarussoajmitch: You don't need no stinkin' check overs!  This is the devel version we're talking about - upload a new libc6 and live on the edge!06:53
ajmitchbecause who cares if the package compiles, right?06:53
tonyyarussoEXACTLY06:53
tonyyarussoAnd quite frankly, what business do they have worrying about whether things will compile if they can't even boot?  I mean honestly people, quit yer fretting.06:54
ajmitchsad to say, but the apache & squid packages compiled, installed & even worked for me06:55
ajmitchI can't upload them in a state like that06:55
tonyyarussoajmitch: Compile lighttpd and polipo and just name then apache2 and squid and upload those then.06:55
ajmitchI may as well have djbdns Conflict/Replace bind06:56
tonyyarussoand replace ssh with rsh!  Or better yet, telnet!  Yay!06:57
ajmitchnow you're going too far06:59
tonyyarusso:(06:59
tonyyarussoAnd this is why I'm not the one with main upload privs?07:00
ajmitchfor the good of mankind07:01
gtdaquais xen supported in current vm-serveR?07:12
sorendom0, no. domU, yes.07:13
gtdaquathanks, soren07:14
SangrialHello, anyone around ?08:07
oh_noesHas open-vm-tools been backported to hardy?08:10
SangrialI was using windows as a webserver but switched to ubuntu and I dont have static ip, and I was using everydns but I dont think they have a program for linux08:12
Kamping_Kaiseroh_noes, look in backports to find out ...08:13
Sangrialhuh?08:14
Kamping_KaiserSangrial, are you goign to ask a question?08:18
Kamping_Kaiserother then 'anyone around'08:18
Sangriali did ask =P08:18
SangrialI was using windows as a webserver but switched to ubuntu and I dont have static ip, and I was using everydns but I dont think they have a program for linux so I need a dynamic dns updater08:18
Kamping_Kaiserno, you gave us a sob story :P08:18
Sangrialany recommendations?08:19
Kamping_KaiserSangrial, try something like `apt-cache search dynamic dns`08:19
Sangrialok thank you08:19
dhrubaHello anyone around ?09:14
_ruben!ask09:18
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)09:18
dhrubaI have set up Ubuntu 9.04 Server in a PC and configured LDAP, Samba, DNS, DHCP and NTP on it. I am trying to configure a Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop. I received positive response from the desktop through ldapsearch. I am able to see the users I had created through phpldapadmin in the server. But when I am trying to switch over to any user, the logon is failing09:18
_rubennever used ldap auth myself, so cant help you there .. i assume you read the server guide?09:21
dhrubaI have gone through the Server Guide thoroughly. But unfortunately, there is very little related to joining of a linux client to a linux server.09:24
blue-frog_ldap-auth-client09:29
blue-frog_auth-client-config -l     (to list the available profile in /etc/auth-client-config)09:29
blue-frog_auth-config-client -a -p lac_ldap  for default ldap auth09:30
blue-frog_dhruba: see above09:30
dhrubaok i'll try09:30
blue-frog_in the server guide chapter 6.1.7 ldap auth09:31
blue-frog_not as easy as I wrote above but fairly the same09:31
dhrubais this applicable to 9.04 also?09:32
blue-frog_bo reason it shouldn't be09:32
blue-frog_no09:32
dhrubaI saw this guide. But stuck-up as the client gz file was not available09:34
blue-frog_gz?09:35
dhrubayes. it refers to a file to download09:35
blue-frog_you are building from source?09:36
dhrubaYes I was trying to. But had to abort09:37
blue-frog_using the deb wouldn't be easier?09:37
blue-frog_sudo apt-get install ldap-auth-client09:38
dhrubaYes. Later I did so09:39
dhrubaBy the way, this server guide you referred is of 9.04?09:40
_rubenyou should always consult the server guide matching your install os version ;)09:40
_rubenespecially when it comes to stuff like ldap and ad integration, which are fast moving targets09:41
dhrubaYes I always do so09:41
dhrubaBut it is very difficult from the document to identify how to configure a ubunto client to join the ubuntu domain09:44
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dhrubaHello. Anyone around?10:48
Appiahalot people around10:49
Appiah /names ... 182 users in here O_O10:49
dhrubaWhile configuring Squid, I am getting only http: sites. It is not opening gmail or gtalk. Also VPN is not passing through. How should it be configured?10:54
_rubentransparent proxy or not?10:55
dhrubaYes10:55
_rubentransparent proxy only works for port 8010:55
dhrubaOk10:55
_rubentransparent proxy for https would be a man-in-the-middle "attack"10:56
dhrubaHow should I configure it securely and for all above services?10:56
_rubennot as a transparent one :)10:57
_rubenas in: manually configured on each client10:57
dhrubaIs any document available on it?10:57
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uvirtbotNew bug: #373999 in samba (main) "CIFS loops endlessly when remote host is down" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37399912:31
RockHoundhi everyone ... I have a general question but it stays unanswered in other chats so I will try it here ... I am trying to remove the package squirrelmail via aptitude purge ... this also wants to remove apache2 (as it is not needed according to aptitude) ... I want to block apache2 from being removed ... there must be a way; I have disabled autoremove via apt.conf.d13:22
RockHoundbut it seems to be ignored13:22
oruworkcan i install phpbb as a package14:23
oruwork?14:23
sommeroruwork: yep there's phpbb3 or phpbb2 packages14:26
oruworksommer-> so its apt-get install phpbb3 ?14:27
sommeroruwork: yeppers14:28
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oruworksommer-> cant seem to find korean language pack for phpbb3 any ideas ?14:44
sommeroruwork: it may not be packaged I guess... should be able to download it from the phpbb site I'd think14:53
oruworksommer-> i just installed phpbb3 as a package on hardy, not sure how to access it in the browser i tried www.myurl.com/phpbb3 didnt work14:54
sommeroruwork: not sure, I'm not familiar with the pacakge, but there's probably an apache.conf in /etc/phpbb, or somewhere similar, that needs to be enabled by apache15:02
sommeroruwork: usually /etc/appname/apache.conf files are symlinked to /etc/apache2/conf.d/ then when you restart apache2 the new config is used15:02
sommeroruwork: so you might try just restarting apache2 :)15:02
oruworksommer-> restarted and still nothing15:20
sommeroruwork: not sure then, but you might take a look at the community wiki: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhpBB215:23
oruworksommer-> very outdated article :(15:28
oruworksommer-> i have apache.conf  database.inc.php  styles inside /etc/phpbb315:39
sommeroruwork: /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/README.Debian.gz should have further instructions... or where ever the README.Debian file is located15:43
isaacso is there any word about further movement towards upstart?15:59
olyanyone know how to disable dhcp client with out removing it ?16:10
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uvirtbotNew bug: #375493 in tomcat6 (main) "tomcat6 needs debug start mode with jpda" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37549316:16
aruettenoly: which do you use? maybe this helps: /etc/init.d/dhcdbd stop16:19
sorenoly: Um... What are you trying to do, exactly?16:19
olywell basically i have ubuntu server installed16:20
olyi modified /etc/network/interfaces with a static ip16:21
olywhich sticks for about 10 minutes16:21
olythen it gets replaced vid dhcp with another ip16:21
\sholy: you need to kick your dhcp server to not use the static ip in your dhcp range16:21
olyi would like to leave dhcp-client on  the system in case i need it in future as i can run it manually16:21
\sholy: or you configure your dhcp with the mac addr of your server nic and push it a static ip via dhcp16:22
olyshould i not be able to stop ubuntu from trying to retrieve one though ?16:22
\sholy: afaik ubuntu server only activates dhclient when it's set via /e/n/i16:23
\sholy: if it's still running after /etc/init.d/network restart and you set a static ip in /e/n/i then it's a bug...but it never happened here at my place with the server flavour16:23
olyalso the dhcp server is giving out ip addresses of 192.168.0.100 upwards and i have a static ip of 192.168.0.4 set on the server machine16:23
olyi did restart /etc/init.d/networking but it was still replacing16:24
olyperhaps a reboot will stop it16:24
olyalthough i tend to try and avoid them :)16:25
olybut its a fresh install i am setting up so no harm16:25
oly \sh i have setup servers before and not had this problem16:26
olyit my first 9.04 server install though16:26
isaacoly: pkill dhclient16:28
olyis there a permenant way ?16:29
sorenoly: If you reboot, it'll pass.16:30
sorenoly: The problem is this:16:30
olyokay thats good16:30
sorenifupdown does not remember how an interface was configured when you take it down.16:30
sorenSo...16:30
sorenYou brought it up while it was configured to use dhcp. This started the dhcp client.16:30
olyaha that makes sense now16:31
sorenThenyou changed your config, ifdown'ed it, and ifup'ed it. When you ifdown'ed it, ifupdown had no clue it had a dhcp client associated with it.16:31
soren...so it didn't kill it.16:31
sorenifup gave it the static address..16:31
olyokay makes sense now16:31
sorenbut dhclient lives on, and doesn't know to back off.16:31
olythanks for that explanation16:31
sorenSure thing.16:31
sorenyou can just kill the dhclient process and ifdown+ifup the interface, and you'll be fine.16:31
OKnewbihey I cannot find any documentation man pages or anything on how to provision the samba4 and openchange packages anyone know where to look?17:29
a_oki did a upgrade but it failed on configuring systraq. i moved the old dir and ran dpkg --configure -a17:47
a_okas suggested. how do i continue the upgrade?17:48
a_okor whas that it?17:48
a_okanyone please? the mailserver is down atm17:50
OKnewbiI would assume that you would restart the upgrade process now that you dealt with that package manually17:53
OKnewbibtw systraq seems to be a server monitoring and reporting tool17:55
OKnewbisee http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/admin/systraq17:55
OKnewbihope that helps I seem to be getting no where on my problem17:56
ssd7a_ok: I would had to give you wrong advice.  But if you downloaded all the packages and it failed when configuring them and then you ran a dpkg --configure -a I think you should be done17:57
a_okssd7: yeah i noticed that it was the only thing that had to be done and rebooted just fine. thanks anyway17:58
a_okssd7: do i need to report the failure somewhere?18:06
wizardslovakwhere is apache2 config located?18:25
rfmwizardslovak: /etc/apache218:34
wizardslovakthx18:36
wizardslovakis there way i can backup apache2 config file?18:36
rfmwizardslovak: read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for an explanation of the structure18:36
wizardslovaki dont really have time to read i neet to know to back it up18:37
geniiwizardslovak: Pretty much all the stuff in /etc/apache2 and it's subdirs18:37
wizardslovakso if ill copy it with scp to other computer ,i wont erase it in server right?18:38
rfmwizardslovak: it's just files, back them up any way you would any other directory full of files.  Note the actual docs served up are not in that directory, so it tends to be small.  Yes, you can just scp -r the directory somewhere else, that won't change anything on the source host.18:39
wizardslovakso just scp -r file host@ip:/locationd?18:42
rfmyes, where "file" is spelled "/etc/apache2",   hmm, reading the scp man page, -r follows symlinks, so you might end up with some stuff duplicated.  Something that preserves symlinks might be better.  tar into a temp file ans scp that, or rdist -a,18:45
wizardslovakthhx rfm18:46
wizardslovaki gotta go18:46
wizardslovakthx again18:46
cellofellowI'm currently using Citadel as a groupware server. It supports SSL for the text client connections and the HTTP, but as far as I can tell the XMPP does not. So, I want to set up stunnel or similar to forward encrypted connections on 0.0.0.0:5223 to 127.0.0.1:5222 in the clear. Can I do that? Anyone know how?18:48
cellofellowstunnel seems to be more at home with an inetd environment than one where there's just free daemons.18:49
SirStanis ubuntu server based off debian-unstable?18:56
cellofellowafaik, yes18:57
cellofellowmostly18:57
SirStanSo how should one incorporate that information into an evaluation of ubuntu server as a server platform compared with centos/rhel, or debian stable?18:58
cellofellowdebian compares well with centos, both being community distros with a rock solid base.18:59
cellofellowrhel is a bit on its own in this lineup as it is rock solid but commercial19:00
cellofellowubuntu is both community and commercial, the commercial part is something debian lacks, and is also rock solid stable, just not quite the granite of debian. You bet newer packages though.19:00
cellofellows/bet/get/19:00
SirStansure .. except tis based off unstable which denotes a lower testing and qa time doesnt it?19:01
cellofellowunstable includes packages that are stable on their own, just the system itself is not tested for three years to make sure its *stable* stable.19:01
cellofellowit's on a six-month release cycle, and is considered stable by Ubuntu's standards, which are somewhere between RedHat and Fedora standards.19:03
SirStanfedora has standards?19:05
foxbuntuheh19:05
SirStandidnt they release with abroken version of mysql?19:05
foxbuntuSirStan, I just made that comment in another dev channel19:05
cellofellowubuntu's done worse19:05
cellofellowfedora kind of does a rolling release with no proper package freeze, so it's always on the bleeding edge19:06
foxbuntuSirStan, I think that came from upstream mysql to be fair and actually, it *is* broken for debian/ubuntu right now19:06
cellofellowmyself, on Ubuntu Desktop I make heavy use of PPA repositories and GetDeb.net and even some source compiling, so I get bleeding edge too.19:06
cellofellowpoor old mysql, sucked up by SUN and now in the hands of Oracle.19:09
cellofellowIt's gonna either die or turn in to Oracle Lite. The King (MySQL) is dead! Long live the King (PostgreSQL)19:10
foxbuntucellofellow, doubtful that it will die anytime soon19:11
cellofellowoh, sure, it'll take a while19:11
foxbuntucellofellow, it would be a bad idea for oracle to kill mysql actually19:11
cellofellowand maybe postgres isn't the new king, but that fork of mysql run by the original developers.19:11
SirStani got the #centos kids all in a tiffy.19:11
cellofellowof course, but it's still gonna be Oracle Lite.19:12
cellofellowlol19:12
cellofellowwhat'd you say?19:12
SirStanAsked for a quantitive summary of the merits/quality of RHEL/centos over ubuntu/other platforms.19:12
SirStanand got shit like "redhat supports more foss"19:12
SirStanas metrics.19:12
cellofellowlol, yeah right19:12
SirStanim not pro-rhel or centos.19:12
SirStanI was looking for an informed summary of the quality of the two.19:12
ivokshello19:13
cellofellowsure, red hat commits more to the kernel than canonical, but what gives? Canonical cares more about gnome than the kernel, big deal.19:13
SirStannot fud about releases per year, or number of foss advocates employed.19:13
ivokssorry for missing meeting, i had a business meeting :/19:13
hagedornhey, is there a posiblity to show realtime response time in apache2 in graphs per requested url ?19:14
SirStanhagedorn: apache doesn't capture processing time19:14
cellofellowfirebug has a nice graph showing load times per url in a web page19:14
SirStanhagedorn: it would have to be a function of your development platform19:14
SirStanthats true.. i assumed you wanted a server side summar19:15
SirStanyy19:15
hagedornSirStan: with %s and %T it does! over the logfiledefinition19:15
hagedornSirStan: mod-securtiy do it to19:15
SirStanreally19:15
hagedornbur we have to big logfils, lots of gigs per day couse of high traffic website19:16
SirStanhagedorn: url? (I cant google %t)19:16
SirStanah .. nice19:16
SirStanwrite a cricket graph generating perl script that tails the file19:16
uvirtbotNew bug: #375593 in samba (main) "cannot browse samba shares without editing smb.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37559319:26
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geniiInteresting. "TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer X.X.X.X:37017/37125 shrinks window 1592966069:1592966319. Repaired."  (IP censored). Haven't seen this previously in dmesg19:47
fevelhow can I check the last 15 log in attempts?19:55
geniifevel: Might be in /var/log/auth.log19:57
fevelok19:59
jumbersMy postfix server is bouncing back emails with the error "Relay access denied"20:02
jumbersWhat would be causing this?20:03
lamontjumbers: it thinks that the client is coming from an unapproved network20:09
jumberslamont: I'm sending the test mail from gmail to my domain email20:10
ScottKjumbers: /var/log/mail.log will tell you.20:10
ivoksthen it doesn't accept mail for that domain20:10
ivoksor it doesn't accept mail from outside, at all20:10
lamontScottK: you gonna be at UDS?20:11
lamontivoks: ?20:11
jumbersivoks: I'm using a default setup based on this: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html20:11
ScottKlamont: Unless something happens in the next two weeks to convince me not to bother, yes (the chances of that are non-zero, BTW).20:11
lamontScottK: cool.  postfix bof sometime, eh?20:12
ScottKSure20:12
* lamont _will_ be there20:12
ivoksyay! :)20:12
ivokslamont: yes?20:12
lamontivoks: shorthand for "same question"...20:13
ivoksjumbers: so, i suspect you wrote 'mail.example.com, localhost.localdomain, localhost'?20:13
ivokslamont: will be there20:13
lamont\o/20:13
jumbersivoks: Correct. Changing it to my domains obviously20:13
ivoksjumbers: and steve? :)20:14
jumbersivoks: Changed that too20:15
ivoksjumbers: there's a note 'Replace mail.example.com with your mail server hostname, 192.168.0/24 with the actual network and class range of your mail server, and steve with the appropriate username.' :)20:16
jumbersivoks: Yes. I changed those20:17
ivoksthen that's it20:17
jumbersI've isolated the problem. It works if I send to mail.example.com, but it doesn't like example.com20:19
jumbersIs it possible for it to accept @example.com?20:20
ivoksthen open main.cf, and add example.com20:20
ivoksfor mydestination20:21
ivokssommer: is it possible to change server guide now? :/20:22
ivokssommer: 'Replace mail.example.com with your mail server hostname' isn't quite correct...20:22
sommerivoks: ummm, ya we can make changes in an SRU20:25
sommerivoks: it's usually a somewhat slow process though20:25
ivoksok20:25
sommerwhat should be changed exactly?20:26
ivoksjust a second20:27
* sommer standing by :)20:27
ivoksphone :/20:31
sommerheh, I had one of those once20:32
ivoksdoh...20:33
ivokswhere were we? :)20:33
ivoksInstead of 'Replace mail.example.com with your mail server hostname' there should be something like20:34
ivoks'Instead of mail.example.com, put the domainname for which you'll accept email'20:34
ivoksor something like that20:34
sommerah gotcha... I'll be sure to add that to the karmic docs20:35
ivoksnative english speeking postfix gurus, please help :)20:35
sommerI'll file a bug for jaunty and when there's an SRU for the docs package I'll be sure to get it included20:35
lamontivoks: of course, virtual domains make that sentence not quite precise either20:36
lamontfor the pain20:36
ivoksthat's correct20:36
ivoksbut in this howto we don't setup up virutal domains20:36
lamontyay20:36
sommershould we cover virtual domains?20:36
lamontI trust we also state that virtual domains are "beyond the scope of this howto"20:36
lamontsommer: no..20:37
ivokssommer: not yet, hopefully, for karmic20:37
lamont"you must be this tall to use virtual domains"20:37
RoAkSoAxivoks, and we'll have to work on howto regarding to heartbeat :P20:37
lamontthough, I admit, that sign is much lower than the "signals" sign of the same format20:37
ivokslamont: well, if we pull out DIT for ldap20:37
sommerlamont: heh, okay... I don't think they're mentioned at all in the current content20:37
ivoksRoAkSoAx: :)20:37
lamontsommer: in the cases where  we hand out answers that we know full well are going to screw someone stepping beyond the scope of the doc, we should at least put some caveat in there somewhere to say "uh, ignoring that here, kthx"20:38
ivoksRoAkSoAx: sorry, i'll answer your questions in mail right now20:39
sommerlamont: sure, I'll add that to the list as well :)20:39
lamontbecause it's painful to have some noob point at a simplistic howto and say "BUT IT SAID TO DO THAT HERE" when they've clearly strayed into deep-and-shark-infested waters20:40
RoAkSoAxivoks, np :) I didn't even realized you were online until few secs ago.. i thought you were already sleeping20:40
lamontanyway, afk for a while20:40
sommerlamont: thanks, later on20:41
RoAkSoAxsommer, btw.. would you like me to include the howto's on heartbeat in the bzr branch or in a wiki?20:41
sommerRoAkSoAx: I'm good with either... if you're not familiar with DocBook it'll probably be faster to create a wiki page20:42
sommerRoAkSoAx: we can always translate the wiki to DocBook20:43
RoAkSoAxsommer, ok cool :)20:43
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oluuwhat does the "basic ubuntu server" package contain thats avaliable during the minimal cd installation?21:36
uvirtbotNew bug: #375657 in mailman (main) "Please add "-q" to logrotate.d script" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37565721:36
tonyyarussooluu: I would imagine pretty much nothing in the way of pre-installed services - just a minimal system to build from.21:42
zoopsterare you looking for this oluu? http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ubuntu-minimal21:49
uvirtbotNew bug: #375669 in libnss-ldap (universe) "auth.log boot cron[5014]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Server is unavailable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37566921:51
ajmitchmathiaz: I'm guessing that those packages which have been merged should be removed from the roadmap?21:55
mathiazajmitch: yes :)21:55
* ajmitch got a couple in before the freeze hit too hard21:56
ajmitchmathiaz: you wouldn't happen to have a list of less-trivial merges that need done, would you?21:57
mathiazajmitch: merges.ubuntu.com?21:58
mathiazajmitch: or is that list too big?21:58
ajmitchyeah, I was looking at that, hard to know if people are working on things unless I go through & contact people for interesting packages21:59
ajmitchphp5, there's one that should be fun22:00
NativeAngelshello does anyone here use openvz22:17

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