[00:04] <blizzz> they fly again!
[00:44] <BUGabundo> hi
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/171037/ known prob on karmic?
[00:44] <BUGabundo>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/status/meeting-organizer.png', which is also in package libkdepim4
[00:44] <Riddell> yes
[00:44] <BUGabundo> ok Riddell
[00:44] <BUGabundo> workaround ?
[00:45] <BUGabundo> I would like to install ubuntu one
[00:45] <tsimpson> use dpkg manually
[00:45] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: can you provide full command?
[00:46] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[00:46] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:46] <tsimpson> you really should know this if you're running karmic..., but "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb"
[00:47] <BUGabundo> reading $ dpkg --force-help
[00:48] <BUGabundo> tsimpson: I usually just wait for it to get fixed, or copy if from somewhere
[00:48] <BUGabundo> I know, I look a lame alpha tester
[00:49] <BUGabundo> I can work around pleanty of stuff and would eventually reach that too
[00:50] <tsimpson> if you want to test alpha releases, get intimate with dpkg ;)
[00:50] <BUGabundo> man apt is big enough
[00:50] <BUGabundo> eheh
[00:51] <BUGabundo> thanks tsimpson. workarounded
[00:52] <tsimpson> --force-overwrite helped a lot when we were packaging KDE4 for the first time, files kept moving around packages appearing and disappearing
[00:56] <BUGabundo> ehe
[00:56] <BUGabundo> I remmeber
[00:57] <BUGabundo> I kept filing bugs
[00:57] <BUGabundo> special on kdepim
[00:57] <BUGabundo> and I still have one to file
[01:12] <nalioth> any ideas on my reported issue?  http://pastebin.ca/1421090     and    http://pastebin.ca/1418697
[02:11] <lex79> JontheEchidna: in kde-style-qtcurve can I bump kdelibs5-dev from 4.0.80 to 4.2.2 ?
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> doesn't matter that much really
[02:14] <ScottK> lex79: I didn't get that since I changed my xorg config.
[02:14] <lex79> ScottK: intel, right?
[02:20] <ScottK> lex79: Yes.
[02:22] <lex79> nvidia here, I think your changes has no effect with my video card :(
[02:25] <ScottK> Probably not.
[02:28] <nixternal> hrmm, why does python-kde4 have build-depends on kdelibs and such?
[02:29] <nixternal> and kdebase-*
[02:29] <nixternal> what I find interesting is kdebase needs python-kde4 in order to build python support for plasma
[02:29] <ScottK> I don't think python-kde4 needs kdebase to build.
[02:30] <ScottK> kdebase-workspace does need it to build however
[02:30] <nixternal> no, but when you go to install just python-kde4, it brings in kdebase and such
[02:30] <ScottK> Runtime, sure, but not build time.
[02:30] <nixternal> why?
[02:30] <nixternal> python-kde4 shouldn't need it, and it doesn't need it
[02:30] <nixternal> I can build it from svn w/o kde* built at all
[02:31] <ScottK> Hmmm
[02:31] <ScottK> Dunno
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> kdebindings packaging is generally a bunch of commented out/hacked together mess of packaging
[02:42] <nixternal> our packaging is?
[02:42] <nixternal> fedora and opensuse have good packages
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> yeah, our packaging is pretty pathetic
[02:43] <nixternal> is it because of the silly arm packaging and what not?
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> no, kdebindings is just hard in general
[02:43] <nixternal> hrmm, I have no problem building it from trunk
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> it sometimes doesn't even compile until the later KDE betas
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> you also have to take in mind that it builds/creates packages for every single language evar
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> it has about the largest debian/rules file for a cdbs package that I've ever seen
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> due to mono, of course :P
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it's looking a bit better these days
[02:47] <ScottK> nixternal: Last I heard opensuse at least didn't even build a lot of the bindings we build.
[02:47]  * ScottK recalls JontheEchidna crowing about that a bit ago.
[03:03]  * astromme thinks Kubuntu bindings support is fantastic
[03:03] <astromme> The plasma bindings are being used more and more, to the point where I would think they are required as installs.
[03:04] <astromme> I now have to install the python bindings on every system I use because I wrote a few convenience plasmoids for myself that use python
[05:49] <seele> whoa, ruphy is a kubuntu user?
[05:49] <seele> i always pegged him as a suse guy
[06:27] <ScottK> So I blogged Laserjock's 'system indicator' idea.  I wonder if it will get any uptake.
[06:28] <nixternal> not from you it won't ;p
[06:28] <nixternal> hint hint, for upcoming kde bindings, we will need to build the snapshots of pyqt4 and sip4
[06:28] <nixternal> kdebindings will not build with our current pyqt4 or sip4
[06:42] <ScottK> nixternal: It's all pre-decided anyway, but I'm going to play the part in my script up to where I quit.
[06:42] <nixternal> lol
[07:11] <nixternal> you should see how fast kdeedu builds on dual quad-core xeons
[07:11] <nixternal> make -j9 == supah fast
[07:37] <Sput> moin
[07:38] <Sput> ScottK: btw, in KDE 4.3 you can hide icons in systray :)
[07:38] <Sput> not sure if you're aware of that feature
[07:38] <Sput> but I have most non-interactive and status icons hidden away and expand the tray when I need them
[07:42] <Sput> so my list looks about yours :)
[07:43] <nalioth> nixternal: none of my kde4 apps work  :(
[07:43] <nixternal> all of mine work find :p
[07:43] <nixternal> !worksforme
[07:44] <nixternal> what is broken with them nalioth ?
[07:44] <nalioth> nixternal: yeah, i dropped some pastebins in here earlier
[07:44] <nalioth> and yesterday
[07:44] <nixternal> same issues as yesterday?
[07:44] <nalioth> yeah, i'm finding more apps that exhibit the same behavior
[07:44] <nixternal> i do not get that error at all, makes no sense to me...and you get this from a fresh install?
[07:46] <nalioth> yessir.  it's no big deal to me, i've downgraded my 'daily use' kde apps back to 3.5, but if it's happehed to me, i'm sure it's happening elsewhere  (and yes, a fresh install of ubuntu with kubuntu-desktop apt-gotten)
[07:46] <nixternal> i just had someone install kubuntu-desktop a little while ago and it worked fine for them, that is why I don't get you having the problem
[07:47] <nalioth> as i have stated before, i have missed my calling as product tester.  if it's weird and unrepeatable, it happens to me
[07:48] <nalioth> anyway, just poking you
[07:48] <nalioth> it's past my bedtime
[07:49] <nixternal> hehe, same here...need to finsih this trunk build though
[07:49]  * Tonio__ is pleased konversation finally work with kde4 :)
[07:50] <nixternal> I would be pleased if we just shipped irssi :p
[07:50] <nixternal> jeesh, kpg has become one huge repo of everything
[07:52] <jussi01> hey Tonio_!
[07:53] <jussi01> Tonio_: did you ever get time to look into adding th mobile broadband db to the network manager plasmoid?
[07:56] <nixternal> kde svn knows I want to go to sleep, that is why it is taking so long
[07:58] <Tonio_> jussi01: nope :/
[08:00] <jussi01> Tonio_: ok then :) well if you get time.... :D
[08:01] <Tonio_> jussi01: yup, that's on the list anyway
[08:01] <jussi01> Tonio_: super :)
[08:10] <nixternal> BUILD BABY BUILD!
[10:05] <Riddell> well we have CDs today but oversized and probably not working too well
[10:05] <Riddell> who's brave? :)
[10:10] <davmor2> Me but get ready for the respin ;)
[10:14] <Mamarok> is there a possibility to remove the "Upgrade to 9.04" notification without removing the update notification alltogether?
[10:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: from 8.10?  there should be a tickbox?
[10:37] <Mamarok> Riddell: ok, will have a look
[10:38] <Mamarok> right now I'm stuck with a remote aptitude session on ssh I can't kill :(
[10:39] <Mamarok> looks like I will have to call them to restart the box, no idea how to do solve that one *sigh*
[10:40] <Mamarok> other question: is it possible that strigi is indexing since more than 10 hours? there's about 500Gb of data though...
[11:09] <a|wen> Mamarok: at least killing the ssh session ... that should take aptitude down in the fall
[11:10] <Mamarok> a|wen: well, that was my first idea, but that didn't work :(
[11:10] <a|wen> Mamarok: <enter>~.
[11:11] <Mamarok> what would that do?
[11:11] <a|wen> tell ssh to abort and close the connection
[11:11] <a|wen> shh client-side disconnect
[11:12] <Mamarok> on my side you mean? can I log in again then?
[11:13] <a|wen> Mamarok: you can also just log in using ssh a second time, and use kill to kill aptitude
[11:15] <Mamarok> oh, funny, tried this several times
[11:15] <Mamarok> the ~. worked the second time around only
[11:15] <Mamarok> and aptitude is killed now
[11:15] <Mamarok> I tried login in and killall -9 aptitude, that didn't work then
[11:15] <Mamarok> a|wen: great, thanks a lot!
[11:16] <a|wen> Mamarok: you need to do ~. just after pressing enter ... that is why it often feels like you do it twice (you forgot pressing something else before doing ~.)
[11:16] <a|wen> and great :) ... that command comes in handy once in a while
[11:16] <Mamarok> ok, learned something new then :)
[12:04] <Tonio_> anyone to have a look at http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=5748 please ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> this would be really usefull...
[12:05] <Tonio_> hi agateau
[12:05] <Riddell> isn't the panel full enough without adding blank space? :)
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> Tonio_: that's going to be part of KDE 4.3 anyways
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> it'll be integrated into the panel controller bar
[12:19] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/plasma/applets/panelspacer/
[12:19] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: ho really ? isn't it still in playground atm ?
[12:20] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: hum great, it looks like it wasn't droped from playground :)
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: when you have a double screen, the plasmoids can react very weird
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: same if you want to add new bars
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: and this is the solution to this issue
[12:21] <Tonio_> JontheEchidna: don't revu then
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> :)
[12:22] <JontheEchidna> Technically it's not the exact same spacer, I believe it got a  rewrite
[12:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: is polkit-qt new or is it split out from something we had before?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: split out from policykit-kde
[12:23] <Riddell> ok, I'll move it to main
[12:23] <Riddell> then k3b can compile
[12:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[12:34] <a|wen> ScottK: btw. hiding the icons you don't need is already supported in KDE 4.2
[12:36] <a|wen> systray icons of course ^^
[12:37] <a|wen> are we planning on using graphicssystem raster as default in karmic? or is that not possible yet?
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> it's not possible for kwin, at least
[12:38] <JontheEchidna> unless you want compositing to fail
[12:42] <a|wen> and I guess we don't have the option of making it default for "all applications, except kwin"
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> I think that any of the tutorials I've seen have compiled Qt to have that by default
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> what we really need is for X to not suck so much :P
[12:43] <a|wen> heh; indeed ... but that is kind of out of our power ;)
[12:43] <JontheEchidna> zomg opensauce, u ken cnatribute!
[12:44]  * JontheEchidna hates it when people say that
[12:44] <a|wen> he ... i don't think my python skills can do much there
[12:45] <a|wen> so i guess it makes sense to patch .desktop files to use raster in the cases where it really matters?
[12:45] <JontheEchidna> I would see that as a sensible solution, though you know people are going to complain when things get slow when they start things from the terminal..
[12:46] <JontheEchidna> I would like you to meet my friends rock and hard place
[12:48] <a|wen> they sure will ... but right now they complain that it is slow unless they start from the terminal
[12:48] <a|wen> not easily satisfiable ;)
[12:49]  * JontheEchidna is loving nuno's font recommendations
[12:49] <JontheEchidna> http://pinheiro-kde.blogspot.com/2009/05/kpgp-icon-and-fonts.html
[12:51] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: he changed my font settings during the sprint in Berlin, looks great now!
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> This is even better than the results I was getting with msttcorefonts
[12:54] <Mamarok> no wonder, it's the specialist's advice :)
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it would make sense to make this default. (Or would we have to keep international font users in mind?)
[12:55] <Mamarok> need some food, bbl
[12:55] <Mamarok> somebody keep an eye on eaglesxxxx in #kubuntu if he comes back?
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> sure thing
[12:57] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: is there a big difference between dejavu sans and liberation sans; or is it the other things that makes the difference
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> liberation is better :P
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> plus the font hiniting settings matter. At first I didn't like liberation
[12:57] <JontheEchidna> turns out I love it once I set hinting properly
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Mamarok: what's he doing?
[12:58] <a|wen> changing the hinting should be possible by default i guess ... but i have no idea how the internationalization support in liberation is
[13:00] <Mamarok> Hobbsee: he gives 'support' without knowing his stuff
[13:00] <Hobbsee> Mamarok: ah.  Doesn't surprise me.
[13:00] <Mamarok> he has been warned, so we monitor what he is doing to prewent the worst
[13:00] <Mamarok> ok, food calls, later
[13:00] <Hobbsee> Mamarok: he's had repeated warnings, so....
[13:02]  * Hobbsee keeps a watchful eye out, and avoids her assignment some more
[13:11] <mcas> is there a repo with kde 4.3 beta available?
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> not yet, unless you count kde-nightly
[13:11] <mcas> ok thanks JontheEchidna
[13:24] <Quintasan> grr
[13:29] <Sput> JontheEchidna: kwin handles Qt having raster as default just fine.
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> not if you're compositing, at least that's what the kwin dudes said
[13:30] <Sput> yes even with compositing
[13:30] <Sput> kwin enforces the native backend
[13:30] <JontheEchidna> aah, that must be new
[13:30] <Sput> I've been running raster as default for months now :)
[13:31] <Sput> no, it took them a week or so past Qt 4.5 to fix that
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> well, we've not been running trunk at kubuntu, so it's new for us
[13:32] <Sput> I'd be surprised if that wasn't backported to 4.2
[13:32] <Sput> but I can't say for sure
[13:32] <ScottK> a|wen: Sure, but most of them I'd rather be one level of indirection away than gone completely or appear when needed.
[13:32] <Sput> ScottK: hidden icons are one level of indirection away
[13:32] <Sput> there's a nice little extender icon :)
[13:33] <ScottK> Sput: Ah.  Nice.
[13:35] <a|wen> hehe; that was what i tried to point at :)
[13:35] <a|wen> and i think we should be able to distribute a lost if "default hidden icons" in kubuntu-default-settings if we want to do that
[13:35] <a|wen> s/lost/list/
[13:36] <rgreening> anyone else seeing this xmessage popup? "Could not start ksmserver". If I click ok, my session restarts and drops me back to login screen.
[13:38] <a|wen> keeps happening?
[13:40] <a|wen> i think i got it once (though the restart happened without having to click ok) ... but worked second time
[13:40] <a|wen> rgreening: ^^
[13:50] <rgreening> a|wen: it happens often enough.
[13:50] <rgreening> I just booted up, opened a few apps and the pop-up is there now...
[13:50] <rgreening> if I close it, adios..
[13:50] <a|wen> so didn't happen during login
[13:50] <a|wen> that was what it did in my case
[13:50] <rgreening> nope, sometime after
[13:51] <a|wen> never has that happen then
[13:51] <rgreening> rgreening@atlantis:~$ ksmserver
[13:51] <rgreening> Could not register with D-BUS. Aborting.
[13:51] <rgreening> I can't even restart ksmserver
[13:52] <jussi01> rgreening: do you not have a cloak? o.O
[13:52] <rgreening> nope
[13:52] <jussi01> rgreening: any reason? they are easy enough to organise...?
[13:53] <jussi01> or do you just not care...? :D
[13:53] <rgreening> jussi01: never took the time energy
[13:53] <rgreening> :P
[13:53] <jussi01> rgreening: heh, if youve got your nick setup right, than its just a matter of asking...
[13:59] <rgreening> a|wen: tried killing ksmserver to restart. that killed the session. bah.
[14:02] <rgreening> a|wen: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3103693.0
[14:02] <rgreening> seems Im not the only one...
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: just saw policykit-kde ftbfs.... weird since the package comes from my ppa...
[14:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect another pkg-kde-tool weird issue, as for polkit-qt....
[14:43] <Tm_T> Tonio_: 4.3b1 is that?
[14:44] <Riddell> policykit-kde says it's missing libpolkit-qt, that's nothing to do with pkg-kde-tools
[14:45] <Riddell> what do you mean "another" anyway, what issues have we had with pkg-kde-tools?
[14:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: polkit-qt ftbfs with pkg-kde-tool and works with standard kde4.mk.... weird but that's it
[14:51] <Tonio_> hum k3b ftbfs too...
[14:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: polkkit-qt is installed as a build-dep... I suspect there is something wrong with the packaging... no idea why
[14:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: all those packages are available and built correctly on my jaunty ppa... that's not packaging issue
[14:53] <Riddell> jaunty != karmic
[14:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I know...
[14:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: but...
[14:55] <Tonio_> Found Polkit-qt: /usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core.so;/usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-gui.so
[14:55] <Tonio_> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/libpolkit-qt-core.so', needed by `lib/kcm_k3bsetup.so'.  Stop.
[14:55] <Tonio_> that's weird.....
[14:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: that ressembles a lot the issue I had with
[14:56] <Tonio_> with polkit-qt (but this one concerned policykit directly...)
[14:56] <Riddell> you're right though, polkit-qt does fail with pkg-kde-tools
[14:56] <Riddell> -DKDE4_ENABLE_FINAL=false  I wonder if that's the difference
[14:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, all of this is weird, really :) I'll investigate, we have time
[15:50] <Nightrose> a|wen: just tried to install the network manager applet and i get a few of those:  plasma-widget-network-manager depends on libqtcore4 (>= 4.5.1); however:
[15:50] <Nightrose>   Version of libqtcore4 on system is 4.5.0-0ubuntu4.
[15:50] <Nightrose> build against too new Qt?
[15:51] <Nightrose> (downloaded from kubuntu-experimental ppa)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> oh, Qt 4.5.1 is also in experimental, so it probably got built against it
[15:51] <Nightrose> not good then
[15:51] <Nightrose> can't test it here then
[15:52] <Nightrose> and I am not sure  when i'll have wifi again soonish
[16:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: hate to bother you but I want to finish it --> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-pgame
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> looks good now, advocated
[16:34] <Quintasan> thanks
[17:20] <ScottK> Is OOo-KDE just dropped for Alpha 1 or is it gone completely?
[17:24] <Quintasan> hmm it's just me or Lancelot has borked scrolling?
[17:40] <Riddell> ScottK: I'd like to see it back
[17:41] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: what do I need to do in order to get the weather wallpaper working?
[17:41] <Riddell> it's dropped from Debian I believe but I think we should keep it, OO unthemed looks horrible
[17:41] <nixternal> +1 Riddell
[17:41] <Riddell> of course nixternal might port it to KDE 4 tonight :)
[17:41] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: the plugin and the wallpapers from kdeartwork
[17:41] <nixternal> working on it...and I must say, it is not fun at all
[17:41] <Riddell> trouble is we only have 20% of an OO maintainer just now, calc is mostly away
[17:41] <nixternal> ok, I have them all installed, I can select my location and what not, but the wallpapers don't show or don't change
[17:42] <JontheEchidna> any interesting stuff in konsole?
[17:43] <nixternal> what should I do in konsole to check it?
[17:43] <Riddell> ** new alternate alpha candidate CDs need testing
[17:43] <JontheEchidna> run plasma-desktop in konsole
[17:43] <Riddell> (may explode your system, be careful, virtual machine advised)
[17:43] <nixternal> hrmm, invalid D-Bus interface name for 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp'
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> not related, I don't think
[17:46] <nixternal> ok, figured that out...let me read through all of this and see if I can find something
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> the current weather should print out in konsole, as well as the wallpaper name
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> if the weather dataengine gives us a wallpaper, that is
[17:47] <nixternal> ya, it doesn't
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> s/wallpaper/condition
[17:48] <nixternal> that invalid dbus error is what Image::setSingleImage and the Air wallpaper
[17:48] <nixternal> so it seems my setting didn't tak
[17:48] <nixternal> take
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it looks like you're using the Image wallpaper?
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> strange
[17:48] <nixternal> lol
[17:48] <nixternal> it didn't take
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> ah, that'd do it
[17:53] <nixternal> OK, I see weather info now, but it says "weather-none-available"....dangit it is raining, I want to see the pretty pictures :p
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> what weather provider are you using?
[17:54] <nixternal> NOAA
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> the current NOAA ion doesn't return weather conditions as icons, which is what the weather wallpaper uses to determine which wallpaper to use
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> as a result the weather plasmoid doesn't have icons, and the wallpaper doesn't work period :(
[17:55] <nixternal> well then
[17:55] <JontheEchidna> because I'm not about to try to map out the 200 text condition strings that the NOAA provides, lol
[17:55] <nixternal> haha, that's why you should use weather.com and not noaa
[17:55] <nixternal> noaa is not for the lazy :p weather.com is
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> The wallpaper doesn't implement any weather-getting stuff itself
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> it uses whatever weather providers the user has installed
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> I think that plasma might be getting a wetter.de provider soon
[17:56] <nixternal> so what you are saying is that in the US we are screwed with the weather wallpaper?
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> and some other oen
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> I found a town close to me with the BBC one
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> (Manchester, New Hapmshire, USA)
[17:57] <nixternal> ooh, BBC has Chicago
[17:57] <nixternal> groovy
[17:57] <nixternal> hahahaha
[17:57] <nixternal> damnit, the noaa one did work
[18:10] <astromme> I don't have a weather.com provider? is there some special package?
[18:11] <astromme> I have BBC, enviro canada and NOAA
[18:11] <nixternal> there is no weather.com provider (yet?)
[18:15] <astromme> hmm
[18:15] <astromme> nixternal: I wonder if that is because of some restriction or if it's just because nobody has done it yet
[18:21] <nixternal> astromme: nobody has done it yet
[18:22] <Quintasan> http://imagebin.ca/view/7WmWEuX.html  <-- I wonder is missing scrollbar in lancelot a know issue
[18:22] <Quintasan> s/is/if
[18:23] <jussi01> Quintasan: I asked about it a while back and someone said it waas - its real frustrating thouhg
[18:23] <Quintasan> I wonder why I can't find any bug reports for it :/
[18:24] <jussi01> Quintasan: I was assured there was one, so didnt bother reporting it. perhaps its worth doing anyway
[18:29] <rgreening> we should do a side by side comparison to get a baseline and ask seele for usability suggestions too
[18:29] <rgreening> oops.. wrong chan
[18:31] <seele> rgreening: ?
[18:32] <rgreening> seele: scottk was asking about ayatana and I suggested we need to have a review of KDE 4.3 at UDS .
[18:35] <seele> ah
[18:36] <rgreening> :)
[19:18]  * Sput hopes KOffice will be able to completely replace OOo for me in the not-too-distant future
[19:19]  * Sput really doesn't like all the bloat
[19:20] <emonkey> +1
[19:20] <Sput> basically I need to be able to open .doc files :)
[19:21] <Riddell> kword has always done that
[19:23] <Sput> ... in a way that they're actually readable
[19:23] <Sput> tbh I haven't tested kword in quite a while, but last time it was still not good enough
[19:48] <ScottK> For me writing them in a way that the look correct to the MS Office users I mail them to is more important than how they look to me.
[19:55] <ScottK> Is there a way to coerce Kmail into not deleting meeting invitations when I accept them?
[19:59] <txwikinger_work> talking about notifications...
[19:59]  * txwikinger_work is tired of being notified in all kinds of sections of the screen
[19:59] <nixternal> everyone can read .txt files
[19:59] <nixternal> if it needs to be pretty, LaTeX -> PDF
[20:00] <txwikinger_work> nixternal: LaTeX ->ps please
[20:00] <txwikinger_work> PDF is not free
[20:00] <nixternal> no ps
[20:00] <nixternal> dvi
[20:00] <nixternal> there!
[20:00] <txwikinger_work> ok.. dvi is fine :)
[20:00] <nixternal> actually PDF is free now I thought
[20:00] <txwikinger_work> since when?
[20:00] <nixternal> since Adobe released its grip
[20:01] <nixternal> I swore I read/heard that somewhere
[20:02] <nixternal> ya, 2007 Adobe submitted the PDF format to ISO to make it an open standard
[20:02] <txwikinger_work> ah ok
[20:02] <txwikinger_work> no patents or anything?
[20:03] <nixternal> no patents, published as an open format July 1, 2008
[20:03] <nixternal> ISO 32000-1:2008
[20:08] <astromme> is 4.3 beta1 something I should expect in a reasonable timeframe as a ppa for Kubuntu?
[20:08] <astromme> which was a cryptic way of saying "ya'll have plans for 4.3b1?" :P
[20:18] <neversfelde> hehe :)
[20:21] <ScottK> Depends somewhat on your definition of reasonable.
[20:40] <rgreening> astromme: we are packageing it up now. lots has changed. so, yes.. but as ScottK says... depends on def of reasonable :)
[20:41] <astromme> rgreening: sounds good :) Reasonable means "before I break down and find a decent way to run trunk myself"
[20:41] <rgreening> lol. yeah.. should be before that I assume
[20:42] <astromme> one of these days I need to come up with a good way of running stable KDE but having trunk mode that I can switch into
[20:42] <astromme> Without all of those ugly scripts that I have no idea how they work
[21:06] <ScottK> rgreening: I you going to be bringing a system running KDE 4.3 to UDS?
[21:07] <ScottK> I/Are
[21:07] <ScottK> Urgh
[21:07] <rgreening> Hopefully.
[21:07] <rgreening> Most likely I'll have it on my AcerOne
[21:08] <rgreening> assuming we get the backports done...
[21:08] <rgreening> in time.
[21:09] <rgreening> ScottK: what does this warning mean... "dpkg-genchanges: warning: duplicate files list entry for file" and is it bad...
[21:10] <ScottK> IIRC it means you are trying to install the same file more than once and yes.
[21:10] <ScottK> grep your debian dir for the filename in question.
[21:10] <ScottK> I bet you find it in two .install files.
[21:12] <Sput> ScottK: btw, kwallet can be configured that it doesn't show a tray icon at all
[21:12] <rgreening> I think it just buggered up. I diffed two install files and no common entries... strange
[21:12]  * ScottK looks for a setting.
[21:12] <Sput> since many people say that icon is utterly useless, I wonder why that isn't default :)
[21:12] <JontheEchidna> I always turn kwallet's tray icon off first thing
[21:13] <rgreening> ScottK:  http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/171900/
[21:13] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Sounds like a sane default to me.
[21:13]  * JontheEchidna makes a mental note to make it so for karmic
[21:14] <ScottK> rgreening: What is in those line numbers of the files list and are they the same?
[21:15] <rgreening> ScottK: for starters, there is no kdebase.install
[21:15] <rgreening> so, I am at a loss there...
[21:16] <ScottK> Odd.
[21:16] <rgreening> kdebase is the meta package in the control file
[21:16] <ScottK> I think it means you are installing the same file multiple times, but don't have great advice on troubleshooting
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> looks like multimedia's going to compile fine :)
[21:17]  * JontheEchidna runs list-missing
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> whoa, only one new file!?
[21:17]  * Sput updates KDE trunk on all his boxen today
[21:18] <rgreening> ScottK: it seems something in the system buggered up... not the packages from what I can see.
[21:43] <maco> Sput: on the topic of things in tray....is there a way to turn off quassel's?
[21:44] <Sput> maco: yes, we have a setting for that
[21:44]  * maco looks again
[21:46] <Sput> maco: Configure -> Misc
[21:46] <maco> ah, ok didnt realize i could click on "misc"
[21:46] <maco> thought i could only click what was under misc
[21:47] <maco> i just found the "hide inactive buffers" checkbox too
[21:47] <Sput> fun, we added that ability to click on categories after seele asked us for it :)
[21:47] <maco> ^_^
[21:47] <maco> i think seele knows i have a policy of spending as little time as possible inside the settings menu of kde apps
[21:48] <maco> i just go with defaults unless i really need to find something inside the settings. and then since i never looked at the settings before, i dont know where anything is, and i get lost *shrug*
[21:50] <jussi01> Sput: also, is right clickability of nicks in the chatview in your radar at all?
[21:51] <Sput> it is
[21:51] <jussi01> excellent
[21:51] <maco> after finding that i can hide inactive ones, now i'm not so sure i'll be switching back to irssi when they fix their ipv6 support
[21:51] <Sput> :)
[21:51] <maco> though netsplit detection is still something i miss, especially with how freenode's been lately
[21:52] <Sput> yes, that's on our radar too though
[21:52] <maco> i saw on the bug someone said that figuring out the last of the quits and joins was a problem
[21:52] <Sput> right now I need to figure out why Qt claims isVisible() == false for a mainwindow that is clearly visible though.
[21:52] <maco> and after luciddfox and i were talking about i said "but irssi can do it!" so she added that to the bug
[21:52] <Sput> maco: I think that can be handled after all
[21:53] <Sput> just haven't found the time to actually look into the issue
[21:53] <Sput> but since it seems to be standard to display the server name in the quit message, it should be doable to detect that
[21:53] <Sput> a bitch to test though :)
[21:54] <Sput> probably will have to hire somebody who ddoses freenode when I need testing
[21:55] <ScottK> Sput: Doesn't that just happen naturally on a regular basis?
[21:55] <jussi01> Sput: Im sure I can find you sme malicious trolls - we have enough of them in -ops :P
[21:56] <Sput> hehe :)
[21:56] <maco> yeah jake says he's gonna DOS freenode if his IPs aren't unbanned
[22:00] <Sput> note to self: QMainWindow certainly reports it's invisible in its dtor. *headdesk*
[22:00] <Sput> maybe I should save state when there still is state to save :)
[22:18] <JontheEchidna> Ha, awesome: http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/05/13/linux-and-firefox-market-share/
[22:30] <a|wen> Nightrose: read the mail sent to kubuntu-devel ;) ... in my personal PPA there is a version built against qt4.5.0 and kde4.2.2 https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive/experimental
[22:30] <Nightrose> a|wen: meh :D
[22:30] <Nightrose> thx
[22:30] <a|wen> heh; of course we've thought about that :)
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> Konversation just moved to extragear :)
[23:50] <Riddell> from playground?
[23:53] <ScottK> Does that mean they have to release with 4.3?
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: branches/work
[23:53] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: extragear isn't tied to releases necessarily, see amarok
[23:54] <ScottK> Right