[00:00] <ign0ramus> genetics_, i'm not sure, as i don't use kpackagekit; it very well may not use kde wallet, but for some reason, i thought it did...
[00:00] <ign0ramus> genetics_, as far as the crashing goes, well, it is a kde4 app ;)
[00:00] <genetics_> -_-
[00:06] <Zengol> Is it a bad idea to remove old kernels from grub?
[00:06] <ign0ramus> Zengol, not if you're current ones are working fine
[00:06] <tsimpson> you only need to remove the packages, then it'll be automatically removed from grub
[00:07] <Zengol> I have no problem with my current kernel.
[00:07] <tsimpson> the linux-image-(version) packages
[00:07] <Zengol> I'm not that good at using linux yet, i just want to use the grub editor to remove it from the boot loader.
[00:07] <ign0ramus> Zengol, then you should be fine removing older ones.  i always keep one older (stable) kernel available, and currently run 2.6.30-rc5
[00:08] <tsimpson> Zengol: bug when you upgrade the kernel or install a new one, the'll re-appear
[00:08] <Guest56170> hi everyone, Is it always the best decision to upgrade to the latest linux version???
[00:08] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, simple answer- no.
[00:09] <Guest56170> ok thanks ign0ramus
[00:10] <Guest56170> because I have hardy and i know there's an 8.10 and a new 9.0 version
[00:10] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, i guess i should qualify that... if your current version is running fine, and doesn't limit any new apps/features you want to try, then there's no hurry to upgrade
[00:10] <ign0ramus> *9.04
[00:10] <ign0ramus> year/month format
[00:11] <Guest56170> ok :) yes that one
[00:11] <ign0ramus> i upgraded from 8.04 to 9.04 as i was ready to try 'stable' kde 4.2.2... i've got it mostly under control, but honestly, my user experience was better in 8.04 :/
[00:12] <ign0ramus> ...not that it was all kde issues - the default kernel has some drastic regressions, especially with an Intel chipset
[00:12] <Guest56170> So I should be fine staying with 8.04 hardy as long as everything works.... yes I wanted to try how kde4 is like
[00:13] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, you can still install kde4 and log into it separately, if you'd like
[00:13] <joedj> heya folks.  i'm about to upgrade from Gutsy to Hardy. the wiki says "Be sure that you have all updates applied to your current version of Ubuntu before you upgrade.".  how can i do this?  they au.archive gutsy apt repo i have been using has disappeared
[00:13] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: it would give me that option at boot up or sign in?
[00:14] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, the login screen - you pick what session you'd like to log into
[00:15] <Guest56170> that'd be cool to try :)
[00:16] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, kde4 is certainly visually appealing
[00:16] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: how do I do this and would I be able to uninstall if I didn't like it?  I know that tar.gz cant be uninstalled once installed
[00:16] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, there are plenty of tutorials... i'll find you one.  and if you install tar.gz packages with checkinstall, they are easily removed
[00:16] <Guest56170> i'm not a total newbie but I am far from advanced concerning linux lol
[00:17] <ign0ramus> !checkinstall | Guest56170
[00:19] <mot_> can i get a spot of help please? i'm using the old knetworkmanager app on kubuntu 9.04 and it won't connect to any wireless networks IF i try to manually enter in any password/security info
[00:19] <mot_> however, it doesn't prompt for a password if i just hit 'connect' without entering my password, either
[00:19] <mot_> is there a better, more reliable applet/network management service in kubuntu 9.04 that i should be using being knetworkmanager?
[00:20] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: thanks for that link :)
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[00:20] <ign0ramus> mot_, wicd
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[00:20] <mot_> wicd?
[00:20] <mot_> ahh
[00:20] <ign0ramus> !wicd | mot_
[00:20] <ign0ramus> gah
[00:20] <ign0ramus> i think it's even in the repos now
[00:20] <mot_> yea, it is
[00:20] <mot_> is it any good?
[00:20] <tsimpson> have you tried the network manager applet?
[00:20] <ign0ramus> mot_, used it religiously in 8.04... never a problem
[00:21]  * kaddi loves it :) it's the only network manager that works for me on jaunty
[00:21] <mot_> can i remove the knetworkmanager package?
[00:21] <ign0ramus> mot_, installing wicd will do it automagically
[00:21] <mark____> i tried connecting to the net yesterday in KDE using wicd
[00:22] <mot_> running wicd as root and nothing pops up...
[00:22] <mot_> nm here it comes
[00:22] <kaddi> mot: try wicd-client without root
[00:22] <mot_> says "network requires encryption to be enabled"
[00:23] <mot_> am i missing some packages? ....
[00:23] <mark____> only way i found i can connect in KDE is to type nm-applet into terminal then i can connect using mobile braodband
[00:23] <ign0ramus> mot_, do you have a password on your wireless?
[00:23] <ign0ramus> mot_, that's what it's saying
[00:23] <mot_> yea, i do have a password on my wireless
[00:23] <mot_> i didn't know i needed to manually confire it
[00:23] <mot_> i wish there was one central, working wireless app for kubuntu instead of 5 crappy ones :P
[00:23] <ign0ramus> mot_, it can't guess it for you! :P
[00:23] <ign0ramus> mot_, wicd is not crappy, imho
[00:24] <ign0ramus> mot_, *every* wireless manager requires you to enter your password for wireless... how else would it connect?
[00:24] <mot_> that's not what i'm asking; i'd expect it to prompt for a password first
[00:24] <dwidmann> mot_: that's an area that's surely recieving attention right about now, seeing as it's a very well known fact that knetworkmanager was one of the worst parts of the 9.04 release ...
[00:24] <mot_> instead of something obscure like "encryption required"
[00:25] <ign0ramus> mot_, maybe we just differ on what's 'obscure' in using a wireless manager
[00:25] <genetics_> ign0ramus: i added kdesudo inthe "command" line for kdepackagekit but still no permissions
[00:25] <dwidmann> From what I've read, networkmanager is difficult to make a frontend for
[00:26] <ign0ramus> genetics_, well, it's not a fix for your issue, but you can always use adept, synaptic, or (recommended) terminal
[00:27] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: so where can I get the kde4, in the repository?
[00:27] <genetics_> hmm, that sucks
[00:27] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, adept? yeah.  it will remove kpackagekit
[00:27] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: but I will still have kde3.5 installed correct??
[00:28] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, oh, if you're on kde 3.5.x, you will pull the kde3 version of Adept
[00:28] <ign0ramus> (which is actually better than the kde4 version, at least for now)
[00:29] <tsimpson> installing adept will NOT remove kpackagekit, or vice-versa
[00:29] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: so best to just leave it alone right, I don't want to experiment and crash this pc lol
[00:30] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, you are right... i must have removed it manually (probably sub-consciously) ;)
[00:32] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, you should be fine installing core kde apps, but what you're looking for are all just frontends for APT
[00:33] <Guest56170> ign0ramus: ok... what I was just wondering is if there's an advantage of kde4 over kde3.5
[00:33] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, umm... i guess it looks snazzy(?)
[00:34] <tsimpson> kde3 is not maintained any more, it will not get any updates
[00:34] <Guest56170> lol snazzy, awesome incentive
[00:35] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, well, it's definitely a WIP... as much as i complain about it, it does get better and better.  3.5.10 is about as solid as you can get, but as tsimpson said, no more updates
[00:35] <Guest56170> is kde4 stable yet tho, because kde3.5 has been doin great so far
[00:35] <tsimpson> kde4 is stable, it's not a alpha, beta or RC. it's released, it's stable ;)
[00:36] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, is 4.2.2 (or 4.2.3) more stable than 4.0? Heck yes.  Moreso than 3.5?  Not yet
[00:36] <tsimpson> and wait until 4.5 before comparing to 3.5
[00:36]  * genii sips his coffee and watches amused
[00:36] <ign0ramus> tsimpson, agreed.
[00:37] <Guest56170> ok, so I'm the only outcast w/3.5 here huh lol
[00:37] <crichardso> its not to bad only complant i have is dual screens arnt cofigurable completely
[00:37] <ign0ramus> Guest56170, not at all - plenty of people have stuck with 3.5.x for various reasons.  I just moved from 8.04 a couple weeks ago
[00:38] <genii> Guest56170: I'm still running 3.5 also, actually
[00:38] <tsimpson> btw, you _can_ install kde 3.5.10 in Jaunty 9.04 via a 3rd party repo
[00:38] <tsimpson> !kde3
[00:38] <curiouscuz> 4.2.3 rocks
[00:38] <Guest56170> :) I am not alone! ok
[00:38] <genii> It's .... meh
[00:39]  * genii waits for 4.5
[00:39] <mark____> i just upgraded to 4.2.3 two days ago and im still playing with it
[00:39] <Guest56170> well thanks everyone for the help :)  I may try the kde4 after all
[00:39] <dwidmann> As far as dual screens go ... NVidia + Twinview isn't too bad ... Couldn't get satisfactory results with anything else though
[00:39] <ign0ramus> did you guys running kde 4.2.3 use the kubuntu-ppa?
[00:40] <dwidmann>  Hmm, I guess I should svn up now.
[00:40] <Guest56170> bye all, until another time :)
[00:40] <crichardso> dwidmann: ya i am using the generics i have intel vid and there is parts missing from the kubuntu realse for configing them the the monitor display app
[00:45] <snax> hi guys & girls
[00:46] <snax> is there any chance to get amarok 1.4 on kubuntu9.04 ?
[00:47] <tsimpson> not unless you try to compile it yourself, amarok 1.x is no longer maintained
[00:48] <ign0ramus> snax: there's a ppa for it
[00:48] <tsimpson> is amarok in the kde3 ppa?
[00:48] <tsimpson> err, not ppa, repository
[00:48] <alan_> you can get VLC for linux it works very well and is free
[00:49]  * kappa is back.
[00:49] <ign0ramus> amarok 1.4 for jaunty - https://launchpad.net/~bogdanb/+archive/ppa
[00:50] <ign0ramus> alan_, vlc is a great media player, but not a good library manager
[00:52] <Fashionist> ciao qualche italiano?
[00:52] <ign0ramus> !it | Fashionist
[00:52] <snax> thanks guys
[00:52] <ign0ramus> np
[00:56] <vermin> what do i have to type to make firefox work right ?
[00:56] <ign0ramus> vermin, what do you mean 'work right'?
[00:56] <khaije1> is there a pastebin for pictures? i am getting randomly occuring visual distortions on jaunty that i'm hoping to get some help with...
[00:56] <vermin> i'll have fire fox running for a few hours, and then youtube will be skippy.
[00:56] <vermin> why does windows get the good stuff.
[00:56] <ign0ramus> khaije1, tinypic or imageshack, for two
[00:56] <khaije1> k thx ign0ramus
[00:56] <ign0ramus> khaije1, np
[00:57] <jim_002> khaijel:screen flickering?
[00:57] <ign0ramus> vermin, probably due to memory leaks, which occurs using Fx/Flash/Windows as well
[00:57] <vermin> this happens to me everyday.  it never happended to my or my dad on our windows boxes.
[00:58] <vermin> i dont care WHAT the reason is screwing it up.  i want to know HOW to make it work.
[00:58] <vermin> what do i have to type to make firefox work right ?
[00:58] <ign0ramus> vermin, there's no magic command
[00:58] <jim_002> why not use konqueror?
[00:58] <vermin> konqueror sucks.
[00:58] <vermin> it sucks with hotmail
[00:58] <xjjk> vermin: probably, I've not tried it... but maybe runnning through wine
[00:58] <vermin> why would i have to go through wine
[00:58] <xjjk> it's a bad reflection on Adobe
[00:59] <xjjk> vermin: it's OSS end-to-end
[00:59] <jim_002> hehe, get yourself a real mail account like gmail :)
[00:59] <vermin> why doesent these FSF guys make a good fire fox implementation
[00:59] <vermin> OSS ?
[00:59] <genii> xjjk: I agree
[00:59] <xjjk> vermin: the problem is Flash
[00:59] <vermin> how do i make it work
[00:59] <xjjk> not Firefox
[00:59] <vermin> ugh
[00:59] <vermin> linux shit.
[00:59] <genii> !language
[00:59] <xjjk> vermin: and the FSF is heavily pushing a Flash plugin replacement
[00:59] <vermin> well whats taking them so long.
[00:59] <xjjk> it's not going as fast as everyone would like, of course
[00:59] <xjjk> vermin: I don't know
[00:59] <ign0ramus> vermin, maybe they need you to help ;)
[00:59] <xjjk> vermin: regardless, emulating all the graphics stuff and emulating it
[00:59] <xjjk> with WINE
[00:59] <xjjk> so far I think actually works *better*
[01:00] <vermin> well whats their email.  i'll help by telling them to hurry !
[01:00] <jim_002> I find konqueror works nice in kubuntu. No need for firefox really
[01:00] <ign0ramus> vermin, that's probably not as helpful as you think
[01:00] <khaije1> hey ign0ramus, i'm bookmarking that one, way easier than i expected!
[01:00] <vermin> well it never happened when i ran Debian.
[01:00] <vermin> why on the new kubuntu
[01:00] <ign0ramus> khaije1, cool. glad to help.
[01:00] <vermin> linux sucks.
[01:00] <khaije1> anyway here is my screen, can anyone tell me whats going on or how to fix it?
[01:00] <khaije1> http://i40.tinypic.com/15flul4.png
[01:00]  * vermin puts the xp cd back in
[01:01] <ign0ramus> khaije1, intel graphics?
[01:01] <khaije1> yup
[01:01] <ign0ramus> khaije1, bingo.
[01:01] <khaije1> known issue?
[01:01] <ign0ramus> khaije1, this may be of interest: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1130582
[01:01] <khaije1> right on ign0ramus :)
[01:01] <ign0ramus> khaije1, oh yeah. BIG known issue
[01:02] <khaije1> all the kms churn? i know there is a lot of work (and resulting regression) coming from that team.. i guess im caught in the crossfire
[01:02] <ign0ramus> khaije1, i would follow Part D for best performance
[01:02] <khaije1> mkay
[01:02] <jim_002> anyone here tried kdevelop4? It seems to be bereft of project templates :(
[01:03] <ign0ramus> khaije1, it's all reversible and you can always revert, but i've found nothing but gratification with this method
[01:03] <ign0ramus> khaije1, otherwise, i got what you have, making the OS unusable
[01:03] <mase_work> jim_002: i'm using it.
[01:03] <vonkleist_> vermin, what does konqueror has to do with firefox? and what does the FSF has to do with konqueror?
[01:03] <mase_work> jim_002: seems ok for what i want but i haven't used templates much
[01:04] <jim_002> mase_work: oh. it's just i used kdevelop 3 and it has lots of nice kde project templates, but kdevelop4 seems a little bare.
[01:05] <mase_work> jim_002: you may need to download them or add the extra kdevelop package
[01:05] <mase_work> its called kdevelop-data i think
[01:05] <polishpaul> Help... I installed Kubuntu 9.04 on my Lenovo T61 laptop, i've used various linux's on it... anyway, i can't get the wireless to work! :(
[01:05] <khaije1> the only issue is that i'm worried about losing madwifi support...
[01:06] <kaddi> polishpaul you might try wicd it works great for me :)
[01:06] <khaije1> ath5k is only 80% at most compared to madwifi on my wlan card
[01:06] <ign0ramus> khaije1, then it's best to do a little research first, but there is probably a solution (if a problem even exists)
[01:06] <jim_002> mase_work: i installed kdevelop-data-kde4 but that didn't help. nevermind, thanks for the help though.
[01:06] <andre_pl> I'm trying to transition from gnome to kde, i have some python scripts that tie into the notification system, how does it work on kde, my notifications aren't doing anything
[01:06] <mase_work> yeh i'm not really sure, the #kdevelop channel used to exist
[01:06] <mase_work> it may still be there
[01:06] <khaije1> ign0ramus: i like the idea of getting a new kernel though... i really can't resist :)
[01:07] <ign0ramus> khaije1, and you'll still keep your current one, as well
[01:07] <jim_002> mase_work: i'll try there, thanks.
[01:07] <polishpaul> kaddi, what is wicd?
[01:07] <andre_pl> I stand corrected, they work, but they're not the plasma notifications, they're something totally different.
[01:08] <kaddi> polishpaul it's a new network manager, it replaces knetworkmanager afaik
[01:08] <ign0ramus> polishpaul, it's another network manager, that seems to work where networkmanager doesn't for some
[01:08] <polishpaul> what steps can i take to identify the issue?
[01:09] <ign0ramus> !wireless | polishpaul
[01:09] <polishpaul> ty
[01:09] <ign0ramus> np - if only all life's problems could be solved by invoking a bot!
[01:09] <ign0ramus> !botsnack
[01:10] <genii> !love
[01:10] <ign0ramus> haha! is ubottu programmable like other irc bots, or is it restrics to ops?
[01:10]  * genii makes spears from the snowmobile steering struts and waits for the weasels
[01:11] <ign0ramus> *restricted... don't know what happened there
[01:11] <ign0ramus> brb rebooting
[01:11] <polishpaul> !makefix :)
[01:11] <jim_002> networkmanager is really bad. I just disabled it and manually configured /etc/network/interfaces
[01:13] <jim_002> if you run a ping test while using networkmanager you will get consistant ping spikes every minute or two :/
[01:16] <ign0ramus> anyone else still having issues with shutting down, using the gui buttons? (hangs)
[01:17] <ign0ramus> "reboot" and "shutdown" commands still work fine... :/
[01:17] <jim_002> used to have that problem in 8.04
[01:17] <ign0ramus> jim_002, anything to fix?
[01:17] <jim_002> what version you using?
[01:18] <jim_002> 9.04 works fine for me
[01:18] <ign0ramus> jaunty
[01:18] <ign0ramus> sometimes it works and sometimes not... i'm sure it's getting hung up on a sigterm or something
[01:19] <jim_002> could be power management or something
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[01:21] <polishpaul> oh wow
[01:21] <polishpaul> wheee... not :(
[01:21] <ign0ramus> thanks genii
[01:21] <genii> ign0ramus: np
[01:21] <ign0ramus> genii, is he using a different ip each time?
[01:21] <polishpaul> so with my wireless, i seem to fail at connecting to the router... it keeps asking for passphrase
[01:21] <genii> ign0ramus: No idea, I'd have to check logs or so
[01:21] <maco> yes
[01:22] <maco> he is
[01:22] <maco> he was *.dyn.grandenetworks.net before
[01:22] <ign0ramus> maco, i don't understand why someone would flood a channel... there's nothing to gain :/
[01:22] <maco> (i know because i set his ban in #ubuntu-women)
[01:22] <ign0ramus> maco, lol
[01:22] <ign0ramus> wait, there's an ubuntu women channel?
[01:23] <ign0ramus> ;-)
[01:23] <maco> aye...
[01:23] <maco> has been for years
[01:23] <ign0ramus> <3 geeky girls
[01:23] <jim_002> ign0ramus: My hang problem went away when I installed 9.04, but I think it was something to do with apci. You could try adding acpi=off noapic to your grub kernel line.
[01:24] <maco> ign0ramus: yeah uh...dont come in there sayin that, k?
[01:24] <ign0ramus> jim_002, i'm checking it out... apparently i'm not the only one with this issue in jaunty... someone wrote that the gui calls the reboot "-d" flag, which isn't supported.
[01:24] <ign0ramus> maco, gotcha... i happen to like this channel
[01:24] <jim_002> polishpaul: that's the networkmanager for you, it really sucks. Best to use /etc/network/interfaces if you want stable wireless.
[01:25] <jim_002> ignOramus: oh
[01:26] <ign0ramus> jim_002, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/71004
[01:27] <ubuntu> if i have windows installed on a drive, and used gparted to resize the drive into 2 partitions, do i lose the windows data?
[01:27] <polishpaul> jim_002, what needs to be in there? I tried adding auto eth0 and whatnots...
[01:27] <polishpaul> i just turned off my wireless security.. still nothing
[01:27] <polishpaul> all other distros connect :(
[01:28] <jim_002> ignOramus: that makes sense.
[01:28] <jim_002> polishpaul: are you using encryption?
[01:29] <polishpaul> not any more..
[01:30] <polishpaul> my interfaces only has: auto lo; iface lo inet loopback;
[01:31] <jim_002> you need: auto wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[01:31] <polishpaul> adding wlan0 now
[01:31] <polishpaul> ok :)
[01:31] <polishpaul> was trying eth0 and 1 earlier.. i see now
[01:31] <jim_002> where the comma means another line
[01:32] <polishpaul> right right
[01:32] <jim_002> if you want static ip you need to use: inet static and provide gateway info etc
[01:32] <polishpaul> its fishing but not getting any dhcp...
[01:32] <Zengol> How would i go about getting shockwave?
[01:32] <genii> Zengol: There is no shockwave for linux.
[01:32] <Zengol> Your kidding me....
[01:33] <polishpaul> ok getting somewhere at leat.. ty jim
[01:33] <ign0ramus> Zengol, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[01:33] <genii> Zengol: Not in the least.
[01:33] <Zengol> A linux program i am using say's i need shockwave.
[01:33] <ign0ramus> Zengol, what app?
[01:33] <Zengol> Lol, Dofus.
[01:34] <jim_002> polishpaul: you might need wireless-essid <ssid> also
[01:34] <ign0ramus> Zengol, lol, is that like neopets? o_O
[01:34] <Zengol> Not sure.
[01:35] <polishpaul> jim, my routers ssid?
[01:35] <jim_002> polishpaul: oh, you have to disable the network manager too. sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager stop && sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[01:35] <ign0ramus> Zengol, from reading forums, it just uses Flash
[01:36] <genii> Zengol: Likely it means Adobe Flash and not specifically the Shockwave part
[01:36] <jim_002> polishpaul: your router usually broadcasts wireless ssid?
[01:37] <Zengol> No plugin found for 'Shockwave Flash file'.
[01:37] <Zengol> Do you want to download one from www.macromedia.com
[01:37] <polishpaul> jim_002 yeah, i have the router's ssid
[01:37] <genii> !flash | Zengol
[01:37] <Zengol> I have flash.
[01:37] <Zengol> Not sure which version, let me check.
[01:38] <khaije1> is there an equivalent to /etc/gdm/PostLogin/Default for kdm ?
[01:38] <jim_002> polishpaul: just put a new line in /etc/network/interfaces: wireless-essid <your access point's ssid>
[01:38] <Zengol> Say's  flashplugin non free version.
[01:39] <polishpaul> jim_002 sweet, ty i got it on manual IP
[01:39] <ign0ramus> Zengol, this will tell you exact version: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html
[01:39] <polishpaul> didn't pick up a DHCP.. :\
[01:39] <polishpaul> stopping the NetworkMangler worked
[01:41] <Zengol> I guess i need a new one.
[01:41] <Zengol> Can't even see the video, so i must have an edition before version 4
[01:41] <jim_002> polishpaul: cool. if you don't want NetworkManager to load at boot, you can disable it by doing: sudo update-rc.d NetworkManager remove
[01:43] <ign0ramus> Zengol,  highly doubtful, but you can try anyway
[01:43] <ign0ramus> Zengol, "flashplugin-nonfree" is the package (Adobe version)
[01:44] <Zengol> Says i now have shockwave flash 10.0 r22
[01:46] <Zengol> ign0ramus: So far so good, thank's man.
[01:46] <ign0ramus> Zengol, its the least i can do
[01:46] <Zengol> ign0ramus: I would have never though to have looked on teh original Adobe website.....
[01:46] <Zengol> ign0ramus: I figured i had to do EVERYTHING from terminal, haha.
[01:47] <polishpaul> jim_002 just did it a moment ago :D
[01:47] <ign0ramus> Zengol, well, there's a good chance when you do an "apt-get update", you will be prompted to install the (k)ubuntu version of the flash plugin
[01:47] <polishpaul> is there any linux distro better suited for virtualization than others?
[01:47] <jim_002> polishpaul: okie dokie
[01:48] <Zengol> ign0ramus: I will most likely never do that.
[01:48] <ign0ramus> Zengol, you don't update and upgrade packages?
[01:48] <Zengol> ign0ramus: I have had nothing but confusion after updating through the terminal, i leave that one to Adept.
[01:49]  * genii sneaks tsimpson a coffee and cookies
[01:49] <jim_002> polishpaul: It works ok in gentoo, but I haven't tried it in ubuntu/kubuntu
[01:49] <ign0ramus> Zengol, it's all the same, except with terminal you have more control
[01:49] <Zengol> Whoop's.
[01:49] <polishpaul> i'm test riding lots of distros etc... i wanna VR them now
[01:49] <Zengol> I was wondering what that little button did, haha.
[01:50] <Zengol> I guess i know now.
[01:50] <jim_002> polishpaul: vmware is pretty easy to use though
[01:50] <polishpaul> xen or vmware?
[01:50] <jim_002> I went for the easy option, vmware :)
[01:51] <ign0ramus> polishpaul, have you tried arch?  that one really interests me, but it seems a little advanced... :/
[01:51] <polishpaul> arch linux? or something virtualizationish?
[01:52] <ign0ramus> arch linux?
[01:52] <ign0ramus> yeah, that's what i meant, dunno why i put a question mark, lol
[01:52] <polishpaul> ok so the vm player is a hardware hypervisor?
[01:52] <polishpaul> ign0ramus yeah, i just recently stumbled upon it
[01:53] <polishpaul> sounds pretty interesting actually.. i think id' be overwhelmed by gentoo
[01:53] <polishpaul> i got a life to live :P
[01:53] <ign0ramus> polishpaul, it allegedly has the best implementation of kde ... (so i've read)
[01:53] <polishpaul> oooh...
[01:53] <polishpaul> but it doens't come with a default destkop right?
[01:53] <ign0ramus> polishpaul, yeah, but ... http://kdemod.ath.cx/
[01:55]  * astromme warns that while arch linux is very clean and well put together, there are many things that you may be used to 'just working' that don't 'just work'
[01:55] <polishpaul> nid3
[01:55] <polishpaul> nice
[01:55] <astromme> i.e. hal, printer autosetup, XOrg autosetup, graphical update client (there is one, but you have to install it :P)
[01:55] <ign0ramus> astromme, that was what i meant by 'advanced'... but it is interesting
[01:56] <astromme> ign0ramus: absolutely. I run it on my desktop (and kubuntu on my laptop).
[01:56] <astromme> But I've found that on a laptop I just don't have enough time to configure arch
[01:56] <ign0ramus> astromme, i have too many versions of ubuntu/kubuntu/windows xp/windows 7 ... i have to get rid of some of these! :)
[01:57] <astromme> I get better battery life, the aformentioned printer/etc... stuff, driver setup out of the box with kubuntu where it would take me hours if not days to get it almost working in arch
[01:57] <Walzmyn> What's the xbuntu channel?
[01:57] <astromme> xubuntu?
[01:57] <ign0ramus> Walzmyn, #xubuntu
[01:57] <Walzmyn> oh, i left out a u
[01:57] <astromme> ign0ramus: if possible, I would already have standardized on kubuntu
[01:58] <ign0ramus> astromme, running kde4?
[01:58] <astromme> ign0ramus: I just don't find it as easy for kde development. I run arch linux with kde trunk packages and some manual builds of playground stuff that I work on
[01:58] <astromme> ign0ramus: of course
[01:58] <ign0ramus> astromme, arch is rolling, correct?
[01:58] <astromme> yes, which is quite nice
[01:59] <ign0ramus> not messy?
[01:59] <astromme> but even rolling isn't enough for kde trunk of which I need some parts
[01:59] <astromme> ign0ramus: not so much. Every once in a while there are conflicting upgrades
[01:59] <ign0ramus> astromme, are you building a spaceship or something? :)
[02:00] <polishpaul> argh.. now why no DHCP?
[02:00] <astromme> but like I said, so much is set up by the user anyways that when things break it's in a way that's at least fixable
[02:00] <astromme> ign0ramus: not quite!
[02:00] <polishpaul> maybe i should turn the security back on first :P
[02:00] <astromme> I've got some plasma widgets
[02:00]  * genii sips
[02:00] <ign0ramus> genii, you're never going to get any sleep
[02:01] <genii> ign0ramus: At least not until after someone wins the Stanley Cup
[02:01] <astromme> And then i'm in the prototype stages of backup software (TimeVault), tablet pc notetaking software (Tote) and some other experimental ideas
[02:01] <ign0ramus> genii, haha!
[02:01] <ign0ramus> astromme, you develop this on your own?
[02:02] <astromme> ign0ramus: well, other than the rememberthemilk plasma widget, none of it is near release. But yes, it's just me, for now at least
[02:02] <astromme> the widget will be in KDE 4.3, I'm excited :)
[02:02] <ign0ramus> astromme, you did rememberthemilk?
[02:02] <astromme> ign0ramus: I did the kde interface. Not the service :). I'm just a user of the service
[02:03] <ign0ramus> astromme, still pretty sweet.  i was just reading about it on some linux blog :)
[02:03] <astromme> ign0ramus: probably mine :P http://blog.chatonka.com ?
[02:03] <peaches> ElTimo: you on 9.04?
[02:04] <ElTimo> yup
[02:04] <ign0ramus> astromme, no it was http://sheenonline.biz/2008/06/super-charge-remember-the-milk-with-smart-lists-and-tags/
[02:04] <peaches> ElTimo: 9.04 isn't KDE 4.3 though
[02:04] <ign0ramus> astromme, i stumbleupon'd it and bookmarked :)
[02:04] <ElTimo> i know. i compiled it myself and i cant find the wifi plasmoid that came with 4.2
[02:04] <astromme> nice, cool blog post
[02:05] <peaches> ElTimo: ok can you load the plasmoid on the non compiled version and find the name?
[02:05] <ign0ramus> astromme, it's amazing the cool stuff you can find when using stumbleupon and the 'linux' channel ;)
[02:05] <peaches> anyone else in here know about kubuntu's wifi plasmoid?
[02:05] <peaches> ElTimo: the plasmoid may well be a kubuntu thing
[02:05] <astromme> ElTimo: the plasmoid is a snapshot of the playground one
[02:06] <astromme> ElTimo: from a few months back (sometime in March/April)
[02:06] <jim_002> I was considering making a plasma widget. The lyrics one which I want to use is broken :/
[02:06] <ElTimo> astromme: whats the name? i have all of playground sitting on my drive at the moment
[02:06] <astromme> ElTimo: networkmanager
[02:07] <ElTimo> thats what i thought. it doesnt compile. it doesnt do ANYTHING when i run make
[02:07] <astromme> ElTimo: After you install it you need to kquitapp plasma; kquitapp kded; kded4 &; plasma &;
[02:07] <jim_002> astromme: Are plasma widgets easy to code?
[02:07] <astromme> ElTimo: you need to cmake it first man... from the applets dir not the networkmanager dir
[02:07] <astromme> jim_002: Depends on your prior experience with programming
[02:07] <ElTimo> i did. i got an error that had nothing to do with it
[02:07] <astromme> If you're comfortable with C++ the native plasmoids aren't too difficult
[02:08] <astromme> If you're comfortable with a more scripting like language such as python, perl, javascript they're also easy. There should be tutorials on techbase
[02:08] <jim_002> astromme: I know c++ (although a bit rusty), but I'm kinda new to kde development
[02:08] <astromme> jim_002: that's alright, we all were at one time
[02:09] <jim_002> astromme: I'll take a look on techbase, thanks.
[02:09] <astromme> If you know python better than C++ I suggest starting there. Easier to fix the things that will inevitably go wrong
[02:09] <astromme> jim_002: see http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma
[02:10] <astromme> and http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/Python/GettingStarted
[02:10] <astromme> oh, doh, that was the python one
[02:10] <astromme> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma/GettingStarted
[02:11] <peaches> it's in playground/base/plasma/applets/networkmanager/ . stop from the last child directory and work your way up the CMakeLists.txt till it compiles. if it doesn't you'll have to edit one or more file to get it to build. that's how playground goes sometimes
[02:11] <jim_002> astromme: Nice. Ye I know a little python, i'll try that first.
[02:12] <astromme> jim_002: If you want to do C++ programming and don't know any Qt/KDE specific stuff yet, you might want to start with basic concepts in place with Qt programming
[02:12] <ElTimo> peaches: im sol then. i dont know how to use cmake
[02:13] <astromme> jim_002: I.E. http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/how-to-learn-qt.html or http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials#Introduction_To_KDE_4_Programming
[02:13] <peaches> ElTimo: you can probably get your compiled KDE to find base Kubuntu's plasmoid exporting KDEDIRS=/usr or something
[02:13] <astromme> jim_002: Things like signals and slots, event driven programming, QObjects are important to understand on a basic level
[02:14] <astromme> ElTimo: it's not hard. cmake /path/to/source/directory
[02:14] <astromme> ElTimo: so for example "cmake ." runs cmake on the current direcotry
[02:14] <ElTimo> i know that much, but i dont know how to edit cmakelists.txt and all that
[02:14] <astromme> ElTimo: After you run cmake, run "make" and "make install" as usual
[02:15] <astromme> ElTimo: You shouldn't have to. It should at least configure correctly
[02:15] <astromme> Then you want to cd into the networkmanager directory
[02:15] <astromme> and do the make, make install from in there
[02:15] <jim_002> astromme: I'll take a look, ty for the links
[02:15] <astromme> jim_002: no problem. If you need help, find me on irc or at astromme - at -  chatonka.com
[02:16] <polishpaul> ok so i have my interfaces with this: wireless-essid myrouter; wireless-key mykey;  however, when i restart network it says invalid argument mykey
[02:16] <jim_002> astromme: cheers :)
[02:16] <ElTimo> astromme: yea, i did all that. i run make and nothing happens. i get literally NO output
[02:16]  * astromme notes that #plasma, #kde-devel and #qt are also good channels
[02:16] <astromme> ElTimo: did the cmake work without an error? read the ouput
[02:16] <jake_> this is jake im am not going to flood anyone i want all my ip addresses unblocked or i will dos attack this system
[02:17]  * astromme chuckles
[02:17] <ElTimo> astromme: yes it did. theres no errors
[02:18] <astromme> ElTimo: VERBOSE=1 make ?
[02:19] <sergio> anyome
[02:19] <sergio> anyone
[02:19] <sergio> can help me?
[02:20] <sergio> hellow?
[02:20] <andre_pl> I've been trying to get some of my python scripts to use kde4's notifications instead of the uglier ones. i'm calling the Notify function through dbus on org.kde.VisualNotifications, but though it seems to work, I get no popup at all
[02:20] <astromme> sergio: just ask your question, you don't need to ask for permission for asking
[02:20] <sergio> anyone know any program i can use to see who is using my network the most?
[02:20] <sergio> like a sniffer
[02:21] <astromme> andre_pl: if you do the calls through qdbusviewer do things work? Have you established that you're calling dbus correctly via other dbus calls?
[02:21] <sergio> i just need to know the ip and then i can filter the mac on my router
[02:21] <astromme> sergio: wireshark? dunno
[02:22] <andre_pl> astromme: can qdbusviewer make function calls? I've been looking for exactly that program i think
[02:22] <andre_pl> currently using dbus-explorer but it only lets me view the signatures
[02:22] <astromme> andre_pl: qdbusviewer lets you inspect the dbus tree and make calls
[02:22] <astromme> it may not be the best gui, but it is a gui :P
[02:22] <sergio> well thank you but wireshark is not actually the one i need, what im trying to find is a program that lets me know how much bandwidth its using not the protocols its using
[02:23] <sergio> but ill keep looking
[02:23] <astromme> sergio: but you could probably see which one comes up more often. /shrug
[02:23] <sergio> just hate people who abuses my network
[02:24] <sergio> installing wireshark
[02:24] <andre_pl> astromme: yeah, I get nothing at all w/ qdbusviewer either
[02:25] <ElTimo> astromme: i looked in the directory and it doesnt even seem like theres any source files in it
[02:26] <astromme> andre_pl: hmm, not working for me either. weird
[02:26] <astromme> andre_pl: are you using PyKDE4? You could always use the KNotification API bindings in python
[02:27] <astromme> ElTimo: are you in the build dir? did you do a svn co svn://blash ?
[02:27] <andre_pl> astromme: strangely enough, org.freedesktop.Notifications gives me an error in qdbusviewer method not found, but i'm able to use it from python
[02:27] <andre_pl> astromme: I'm only using Pyqt4 for now, and I'd prefer not to pull in the kde libs if I dont have to
[02:28] <astromme> andre_pl: understantable. Here it is if you decide to http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.2-api/kdeui/KNotification.html
[02:28] <ElTimo> astromme: o whoops :P my bad
[02:28] <astromme> andre_pl: you could try dbus-send too
[02:28] <astromme> andre_pl: http://forum.kde.org/control-knotify4-using-dbus-t-23580.html
[02:28] <andre_pl> astromme: I Tried that but I wasn't sure how to get all the paramters into it properly.
[02:29] <astromme> andre_pl: I'll look at my code (granted, C++), I use it
[02:29] <astromme> andre_pl: for something simple I suppose you could use kdialog --passive-popup <text> --title <title> <timeout>
[02:29] <andre_pl> that might work. its basically just things like 'download complete' etc.
[02:30] <ElTimo> ok still, nothing is happening. it goes into the parent directory and says that theres nothing to be done. it sounds like an issue with the makefile
[02:30] <astromme> meh, --passivepopup not --passive-popup
[02:32] <andre_pl> astromme: lol, I just figured that out...
[02:32] <astromme> ElTimo: make sure you are doing all of these steps http://rafb.net/p/0tnqqY92.html
[02:32] <astromme> and that NONE of them fail.
[02:34] <andre_pl> totally unrelated question about my transition to kde... I have a panel at the side, and a panel at the top.  the one at the side is perfect in that windows always go behind it.. the one on the top however, either makes the whole area unavailable to windows, OR lets windows completely cover the panel, but there is no way to make it behave like the one on the left.
[02:34] <ElTimo> ok still no luck
[02:36] <andre_pl> hmm, scratch that last question, it pops itself up :)
[02:36] <astromme> andre_pl: that seems like a bug.... I just added a panel to the top and I can drag windows above it
[02:36] <astromme> andre_pl: it's possible that you have snapping enabled
[02:37] <astromme> andre_pl: right click a window -> configure window behavior -> Moving 'tab' on the left -> Snap windows only when overlapping
[02:37] <astromme> that's how I like my desktop.
[02:37] <astromme> ElTimo: same error?
[02:37] <astromme> slash non error?
[02:37] <ElTimo> yup, or rather lack of one
[02:37] <ElTimo> yea
[02:38] <ElTimo> it just flat out doesnt realize it has to build stuff
[02:38] <andre_pl> astromme: yeah thats pretty nice too..
[02:38] <andre_pl> got any other tips? I've been in the other camp for a LONG time, but i was a bigtime kde user about 4 years ago.
[02:39] <astromme> I have a number of things I do to each new machine... lemmy think
[02:40] <astromme> how big is your monitor? I have a 21in 1680x1050
[02:41] <andre_pl> 1920x1200
[02:41] <astromme> On this machine I like to enable desktop effects, enable the "magic lamp" minimize animation, change the default alt-tab (window switching) mode to "Present Windows"
[02:41] <andre_pl> i think the desktop effects were on by default.
[02:42] <andre_pl> alt-tab gives me something like coverflow on an ipod
[02:42] <astromme> andre_pl: oh goodie :). I also have a 80% width panel at the bottom, hidden panel on the left with launcher icons
[02:42]  * astromme notes the oh goodie was in response to the 1920x1200
[02:42] <ElTimo> astromme: any idea what i can do? any way i can compile it by hand?
[02:42] <astromme> andre_pl: again in window configuration, desktop effects, "Window Swiching"
[02:43] <astromme> ElTimo: I just ran the code I gave you on my computer in a new konsole, line for line. It worked
[02:43] <astromme> ElTimo: I'm guessing your cmake failed but the error is higher up
[02:43] <astromme> ElTimo: run cmake again and look for errors closely
[02:44] <astromme> andre_pl: my desktop http://blog.chatonka.com/Desktop-Normal-Overview.png
[02:44] <polishpaul> dang, i'm having a rough time getting this wireless to play nice... :( installed wicd and its not starting... can't dhcp... can't add wireles-key.. :'(
[02:44] <astromme> I suppose I also enable 4 virtual desktops and set up the keybindings (in system settings, use the search) to ctrl + alt + arrow keys.
[02:45] <astromme> polishpaul: I haven't had experience with wicd. you had troubles with the built in plasmoid?
[02:45] <andre_pl> astromme: I cant find window switching
[02:46] <andre_pl> nevermind
[02:46] <andre_pl> just did
[02:46] <mkasson> how can I change the font size of my folder view desktop icons
[02:46] <astromme> andre_pl: on the pane where you enable/disable compositing, look for the one that is currently selected as "cover switch"
[02:46] <astromme> oh, good
[02:46] <polishpaul> astromme, plasmoid? i coulndn't get network manager to work so i tried wicd instead. AFter reboot it seems to work now.
[02:46] <polishpaul> wow, ok wicd is badass.. :D
[02:47] <polishpaul> now i can enjoy KDE
[02:47] <tzanger> networkmanager does not work with kde
[02:47] <tzanger> wicd works great for me too
[02:47] <polishpaul> now i know :) lol
[02:48] <polishpaul> wicd just made my freakin' day
[02:48] <ElTimo> o my god polishpaul i think you just made mine too
[02:48] <astromme> lol
[02:48] <ign0ramus> wicd ftw!
[02:48] <andre_pl> astromme: is there a way to have the system monitor visible in the panel? currently It just shows me a static icon which I have to click on to actually see the graph.. I'd like to embed that view in a panel, is that possible?
[02:48] <ElTimo> lol agreed
[02:48] <marco> Hi, Anyonde know wheres it is Kde 4.3 beta 1?
[02:48]  * astromme sighs. kubuntu tried to have a fully kde4 system, but it really hurt them in the experimental networkmanager widget
[02:49] <astromme> marco: watch http://kubuntu.org and http://kde.org for the announcement, it's not ready yet.
[02:49] <astromme> andre_pl: I think that has something to do with the size of the panel
[02:49] <marco> so, aprox it's goign to be for tomorrow?
[02:49] <astromme> andre_pl: if the applet set a minimum size and the panel is smaller, it shows the icon
[02:49] <marco> cause Tuesday 12 of may was supossed to be released
[02:50] <mkasson> ah got it
[02:50] <ElTimo> marco: you could try compiling it like me
[02:50] <ElTimo> if you're into that kind of pain
[02:50] <marco> mmm,
[02:50] <astromme> if you really want the bleeding edge, use project neon (google it)
[02:51] <astromme> but I strongly suggest waiting for the official packages. And keep in mind it's a beta
[02:51] <marco> ElTimo, did you compiled Kde 4.3 beta 1?
[02:51] <ElTimo> yes i did. it hurts so good
[02:51] <marco> :D
[02:51] <marco> any screeen cast?
[02:52] <ElTimo> lol not yet, i have to get wireless working
[02:52] <astromme> andre_pl: You could also thry the "System Load Viewer" plasmoid
[02:52] <astromme> andre_pl: or the "System Monitor - CPU"
[02:53] <marco> Eltimo, what about performance?
[02:53] <marco> better than kde 4.2.x?
[02:54] <ElTimo> much better for the most part, but the compositing is iffy
[02:54] <marco> and, what about the lok and feel? does it look nice? better?
[02:54] <ElTimo> o my god yes. so much better looking.
[02:55] <marco> ok, so kde 4.3 beta its released,
[02:55] <marco> but there es no offical anuncemnet
[02:55] <marco> ?
[02:55] <astromme> maco: no, it is not released until there is an official announcement
[02:55] <astromme> marco: sorry, above for you
[02:56] <astromme> marco: there may be a kde svn revision that says "beta 1" but that does NOT mean it is the official 4.3 beta
[02:56] <marco> :(
[02:56] <marco> i want beta no!
[02:56] <marco> now!
[02:56] <marco> xD
[02:56] <astromme> marco: don't worry! it'll be here soon
[02:56] <JontheEchidna> there's always kde-nightly
[02:58] <marco> anyboyd know what its going on with a kernel update for intel graphics cards?
[03:11] <doleyb> Why does dolphin block on firefox?  I mean, if I send a STOP signal to firefox, then the dolphin process stops working until I CONT firefox.
[03:11] <preston> ok i just installed jaunty and i cant install restricted extras
[03:11] <preston> i find it and click apply but no go. any ideas?
[03:12] <marco> when kde 4.3 beta1 goes for release, it goign to be placed here?  ==> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[03:12] <astromme> marco: I'm not a kubuntu packager, I don't know. Probably wherever the 4.2 for intrepid went, but for jaunty
[03:13] <preston> anyone?
[03:14] <doleyb> preston: You didn't give a detailed question.
[03:15] <preston> ive installed jaunty and updated now thru kpackagekit im trying to install restricted extra's and nothing happens
[03:15] <preston> i click on restricted extras to set it to download and hit appy and nothing?
[03:16] <hsien> hola
[03:16] <marco> hsien eres de chile?
[03:18] <preston> doleyb: hmmm i tried installing something else and it seems to be something with the restricted extras package
[03:19] <marco> i want kde 4.3 now!!!!
[03:19] <doleyb> preston: That's still not detailed enough for someone to be likely to answer.  Instead of "seems to be something", you could tell exactly where how it stopped working.
[03:20] <genii> marco: Ninguna área de Chile existe. Usted puede recibir ayuda en la lengua del español en el #ubuntu-es       eg:  /join #ubuntu-es
[03:24] <preston> doleyb: ok how about when selected and applied nothing happens at all
[03:29] <marco> look
[03:29] <marco> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.3-beta1.php
[03:29] <marco> it was created (in blank)
[03:30] <marco> :D
[03:30] <marco> recently
[03:30] <astromme> lol, you are really waiting for this :P
[03:30] <marco> yep
[03:30] <marco> so, i think it will be released very soon
[03:33] <jimoz> anybody live?
[03:33] <doleyb> we are the undead
[03:33] <jimoz> prove it
[03:34] <doleyb> there is butter on my head
[03:34] <astromme> wow, I look at the 4.2 vs 4.0 screenshots and I realize how far kde has come in just one year. stunning really
[03:34] <jimoz> are you  a toast?
[03:35] <JabberWokky> Take a look at 1.0
[03:35] <jimoz> LOL
[03:35] <astromme> well, sure, but then we get into games.. "look at 1950s computer" "look at apple II" etc...
[03:35] <JabberWokky> Speaking of which, there was one nifty thing from the 1.0 era that I miss, and I wonder if it's somewhere hidden.
[03:35] <oobe> i just want to ask one thing what does ctl alt backspace do oh wait let me check
[03:36] <JabberWokky> There was something like "hold down alt, select a menu item and press a key and it assigns that key to that item"
[03:36]  * JabberWokky should probably ask over in #kde.
[03:36] <jimoz> I remember   FVWM time
[03:37] <rgarcia> Hii all...could anybody help me:
[03:37] <rgarcia> ?
[03:37] <ign0ramus> !ask | rgarcia
[03:37] <what_if> im having a problem removing my soudcard modules... see error here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/171220/
[03:37] <JabberWokky> astromme: My first computer had a series of LEDs and toggle switches.  Go, go S-100 bus!  Hooked up to a Epson MX-100.  Rocked on... I wonder if it would run 9.04?
[03:38] <rgarcia> I'm using Jaunty, and someone disable or delete my desktop...Does anybody know how to enable it again?
[03:38] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: How did they disable it?
[03:38] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, if it was deleted, you can simply "mkdir ~/Desktop"
[03:38] <genii> JabberWokky: Probably not
[03:38] <JabberWokky> Oh, your *desktop*, as in the actual icons and stuff, or the directory?
[03:39] <JabberWokky> genii: Well, the S-100 *was* CPU agnostic...
[03:39] <rgarcia> no...you know it's kind of a window inside the desktop.
[03:39] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, the widget? right-click and add it back on
[03:39] <rgarcia> which calls desktop...
[03:39] <andre_pl> so, I'm trying to install some plasmoids and they're all saying 'installation failed'
[03:39] <rgarcia> yep...how do i do that?
[03:39] <rgarcia> add widget?
[03:39] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: Right click... as ign0ramus says
[03:40] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: Yep.
[03:40] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, "folder view"
[03:41] <rgarcia> let me see
[03:41] <rgarcia> no, it's no the folder view
[03:42] <JabberWokky> what_if: Still having trouble?
[03:42] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, folder view is the widget that can display your desktop directory on the plasma screen.. isn't that what you want?
[03:42] <JabberWokky> what_if: A chainsaw approach (and it would be a good idea if you wanted it turned off forever anyway) would be to blacklist the module in modprobe.conf.
[03:42] <JabberWokky> what_if: man modprobe.conf
[03:42] <rgarcia> let me see if i find the figure on the web
[03:43] <rgarcia> http://www.zoopy.com/data/media/38834/thumb-350x470f.jpg
[03:43] <what_if> JabberWokky: the problem I have is that my soundcards swap randomly on boot. I must manually set the module load order. But right now I just want to disable one of the cards to use the other as default
[03:43] <rgarcia> take a look on this...
[03:44] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, yes, that is called *folder view*
[03:44] <rgarcia> there is the desktop which i'm talking about
[03:44] <JabberWokky> what_if: You can force the order by specifying them in /etc/modules
[03:44] <rgarcia> really...and how can i display it on my desktop?
[03:44] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, you add folder view, and set it to display desktop!
[03:44] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, "add widget"
[03:45] <rgarcia> ok...add
[03:45] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: Look at your desktop wallpaper, right click the wallpaper, go to "Add widget", and then scroll in the list to "Folder View".  Drag it onto your desktop.
[03:45] <rgarcia> got it...
[03:45] <rgarcia> :D
[03:46] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, :)
[03:46] <JabberWokky> Congrats!
[03:46] <rgarcia> yes...i didn't notice that if i click on desktop is one thing, and if i click on the bar is other think...sorry....
[03:46] <rgarcia> thanks a lot guys
[03:46] <ign0ramus> rgarcia, np
[03:46] <JabberWokky> what_if: You have to remove all the dependant modules for that sound card, then reload the one you want (since you'll likely have disabled it in the process).
[03:47] <JabberWokky> what_if: Honestly, I think it would be easier to specify load order in /etc/modules if you're having hardware problems, and I think (but am not sure) you can specify a sound card as default in your systemsettings -> Advanced -> Solid
[03:48] <JabberWokky> ...or something similar (I don't have two cards, and am going from memory for the systemsettings)
[03:49] <JabberWokky> Ah, systemsettings -> Multimedia -> Music for me.
[03:49] <what_if> JabberWokky: Solid only has halpower and networkmanager on my system... I will just remove all the sound modules then readd
[03:49] <JabberWokky> ( 9.04, KDE 4.2.3 update... regardless, it's in there )
[03:50] <JabberWokky> what_if: That'll work.  I'd say that it's the hard way to do it, but it's how I disable and reenable my touchpad on my laptop, so if the "hard way" is good for me...
[03:52] <rgarcia> guys another question...does anybody know how do i extract an iso file?
[03:53] <what_if> rgarcia: depends on what you mean by extract...
[03:53] <what_if> rgarcia: if you just need every file on the iso you can loop mount it
[03:54] <rgarcia> yes...i just want to see what is inside, and then copy it to my HD
[03:54] <rgarcia> how do i loop mount?
[03:54] <what_if> rgarcia: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html
[03:54] <genii> !iso
[03:54] <rgarcia> mm thanksss
[03:54]  * genii sips
[03:59] <JabberWokky> sudo bash -c "( if [ ! "$( ls *.iso 2>/dev/null | wc -l )" == "1" ] ; then echo 'Error: you must have only one iso file in the directory' ; else mkdir disc ; mount -o loop *.iso disc ; echo 'Press any key to unmount disc...' ; read ; umount disc ; rmdir disc ; fi )"
[03:59]  * genii feeds the JabberWokky more cookies
[04:00] <max_> Hello?
[04:00] <genii> !hi | max_
[04:00] <JabberWokky> I just tested it quickly, but that seems to solve that problem nicely.  Now I need to make a servicemenu for that and just say "stick this in your .kde/whatever"
[04:01] <rgarcia> guys, what does it mean??/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/171231/
[04:02] <JabberWokky> genii: My wife went on a picnic with some friends today and I have a couple cookies here already.  She baked brownie batter as cookies.  That's hard to beat.
[04:02] <genii> JabberWokky: I agree
[04:02] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: You need to quote the file name.
[04:03] <JabberWokky> Try going into the directory and running this:
[04:03] <max_> I was wondering if anyone could help me with installing Syntek drivers, as described in this guide (Spanish) http://crysol.esi.uclm.es/es/node/1103
[04:03] <JabberWokky> sudo bash -c "( if [ ! "$( ls *.iso 2>/dev/null | wc -l )" == "1" ] ; then echo 'Error: you must have only one iso file in the directory' ; else mkdir disc ; mount -o loop *.iso disc ; echo 'Press any key to unmount disc...' ; read ; umount disc ; rmdir disc ; fi )"
[04:03] <max_> I fail when running "patch -i stk0408-1.patch"
[04:03] <JabberWokky> (And in the course of this I found that I've had kubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso sitting deep in a directory on my hard drive for all this time.)
[04:05] <max_> When patching the file stk11xx-v4l.c I get an error on row 48 ("Hunk #1 FAILED at 48.")
[04:08] <rgarcia> same problem!! :(
[04:10] <davidjheinrich> hi all
[04:12] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: sudo mount -o loop '[Première Seeders]Victor e Leo-Ao Vivo em Uberlandia.iso' /Desktop/iso_file
[04:12] <davidjheinrich> I have two questions: (1) I somehow lost my KDE bar, and have put it back (KDE 4.2), and have put most hings back, but don't see apps like Amarok or Konversation when the window is closed but the app is still open (the little app icons); (2) Amarok says xine is unable to initialize audio drivers, and won't play anything
[04:13] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: That assumes that /Desktop/iso_file...
[04:13] <JabberWokky> Wiat.
[04:13] <JabberWokky> I don't think you did that right.
[04:13] <JabberWokky> Try this:
[04:13] <JabberWokky> rgarcia: sudo mount -o loop '[Première Seeders]Victor e Leo-Ao Vivo em Uberlandia.iso' "$HOME/Desktop/iso_file"
[04:13] <JabberWokky> And that assumes that "$HOME/Desktop/iso_file" exists, is a directory and is empty.
[04:13] <rgarcia> mmm just the file....
[04:14] <rgarcia> .iso...not the whole destination
[04:14] <rgarcia> [Première Seeders]Victor e Leo-Ao Vivo em Uberlandia.iso: No such file or directory
[04:15] <JabberWokky> Right click the file name and copy it and paste it here.  (the filename, not the file!)
[04:15] <JabberWokky> I have a feeling you're mixing up the directory it is in.
[04:15] <rgarcia> let me show you
[04:16]  * JabberWokky envisions an impending accidental binary flood. 
[04:17] <rgarcia> http://paste.ubuntu.com/171236/
[04:19] <rgarcia> did you see?
[04:25] <rgarcia> !iso
[04:25] <rgarcia> !mds
[04:25] <rgarcia> !md5
[04:27] <genii> Music CDs don't have a filesystem as such.
[04:38] <JabberWokky> D'oh... he was trying to mount a CDA, I'll bet.
[05:09] <alid> Jaunty rocks! xD
[05:13]  * Kasm279 idles
[05:15] <slap_happy> !pentium
[05:16] <slap_happy> ._.
[05:16] <slap_happy> !intel
[05:16] <slap_happy> !
[05:16] <faileas> slap_happy: what do you actually need? the bot isn't omnicient
[05:17] <slap_happy> i was just seeing if the bot knew anything about that
[05:17] <slap_happy> thats it
[05:20] <Amarok__> guys does anyone else think the new panel i kubuntu 9.04 looks a lot like vista's taskbar
[05:36] <gino> Amarok__ not really
[05:36] <gino> vista can't do the whole cube and expose thing
[05:36] <gino> actually it reminds me more of OS X than anything
[05:36] <gino> slash windows 7
[05:37] <gino> KDE is really becoming very mac like, but it's better than the approach (at least in my opinion) that I've seen in Gnome
[05:37] <Amarok__> well ya kde is in my opinion much better than gnome
[05:41] <OpenSorce> I seriously need help, my Nvidia driver has decided I can only get 640x480 resolution. Even when I edit xorg.conf adding a Modes section it ignores it.
[05:43] <Amarok__> which driver did ya install
[05:43] <superboy> need help my brasero burning software says "it is not posible to write with the current plugins "what does this mean?
[05:43] <OpenSorce> I've had 179.xx for awhile and it worked fine until today
[05:44] <Amarok__> well did ya try re installing it OpenSource
[05:44] <OpenSorce> It shows the Nvidia driver is loaded, but only offers 640x480 or 320x200 resolutions
[05:45] <OpenSorce> I did, yes. did sudo apt-get remove nvidia-common followed by apt-get install nvidia-common
[05:45] <superboy> need help my brasero burning software says "it is not posible to write with the current plugins "what does this mean?
[05:46] <OpenSorce> superboy, I'm guessing "brasero" has man page.... have you googled the error?
[05:46] <superboy> let me give that a try
[05:47] <OpenSorce> ameyer, any other suggestions?
[05:47] <OpenSorce> stupid nick complete...
[05:48] <OpenSorce> Amar, anything else you can think of?
[05:48] <OpenSorce> nvm, he left :-P
[05:49] <superboy> in writing mode for k3b do i put auto?
[05:49] <OpenSorce> No clue, I don't use it
[05:52] <Amarok__> how can i integrate kget into firefox
[05:55] <p_quarles> Amarok__: with the flashgot extension
[05:56] <Amarok__> oh thanks p_quarels
[06:10] <Amarok__> guys do i need a graphic card to enable growl like notifications in ubuntu 9.04
[06:20] <binskipy2u> hey guys, i have a perfectly working ubuntu gnome install 9.04, if i were to install kde.. or kubuntu-desktop, would i take a performance hit, having the 2 big desktop enviornments at the same time, with all the libraries?
[06:20] <binskipy2u> or wouldi just have extra apps in the menus that work/look better depending on what enviornment i'm in
[06:23] <binskipy2u> anyone see my question?
[06:23] <binskipy2u> or is everyone sleeping lol
[06:24] <nixternal> binskipy2u: no performance hit...only kde stuff will start up when you start it
[06:24] <nixternal> you will just lose soem drive space, that's about it
[06:25] <binskipy2u> ok, if i have all the apps i want and dont "need" kde apps, but like the enviornment.. what command do i use, apt-get install kde
[06:25] <binskipy2u> or kubuntu-desktop
[06:25] <binskipy2u> dont want many "doubles" of apps
[06:25] <nixternal> kde-desktop I think is what it is
[06:26] <nixternal> that will be tough to avoid
[06:26] <binskipy2u> know what i'm asking?
[06:26] <nixternal> if you just want the environment, install kdebase
[06:26] <binskipy2u> i know its not perfectly unavoidable.. but as few kde apps that do the same things as the gnome ones do as possible
[06:26] <nixternal> if you do kubuntu-desktop you will get more than you want it seems
[06:26] <binskipy2u> so apt-get install kdebase
[06:27] <Carolus> Hello to all
[06:27] <nixternal> ya, that will pull just the environment with minimal apps
[06:27] <nixternal> hi Carolus
[06:27] <binskipy2u> thatll get me the desktop evnironment, but w/o alot of kde stuff so i can use the gnome apps
[06:27] <binskipy2u> thanks
[06:28] <Carolus> Open source is awesome, by the way
[06:28] <binskipy2u> wow, kde installs 150, kubuntu-deskop installs 214
[06:28] <binskipy2u> kdebase installs 16
[06:28] <Carolus> I'm a recent convert
[06:29] <nixternal> groovy
[06:29] <binskipy2u> i remember being a recent convert
[06:29] <binskipy2u> i bring live cds at work, dont want us doing certain things on the net
[06:29] <binskipy2u> i boot up a live cd..show it off
[06:30] <nixternal> w00t, someone from Illinois! howdy dan!
[06:30] <nixternal> where at in Illinois are you?
[06:31] <nixternal> alrighty then
[06:31] <Carolus> Its been a long time since I've been in a chat room.....brings me back to AOL chat rooms and Prodigy Pseudo-Chat
[06:31] <nixternal> oh lord :)
[06:31] <nixternal> a) this isn't a chat room thankfully, it is a channel
[06:32] <nixternal> and you just showed your age talking about Prodigy
[06:32] <Carolus> In Technology, that would be near pre-history
[06:33] <Carolus> Back in the day when I owned a Packard Hell.....it caught on fire a couple times
[06:33] <nixternal> I still have my packard bell from then, Pentium 75, and it still runs Linux to this day...it is in closet with a version of Debian from like 1996
[06:34] <Carolus> I tried to mess with Linux at the close of the millenium, but it was still a little too complicated for me then
[06:34] <Carolus> I had my fill of Microsoft with Vista....what garbage
[06:35] <superboy> help it says "W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[06:36] <nixternal> superboy: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[06:36] <Carolus> The file system for linux is still confusing to me.....but then I had too many years thinking in MS-DOS language
[06:39] <Carolus> I'm really impressed with Ubuntu...especially the ease of use
[06:39] <Carolus> Makes the transition from Windows to Linux very smooth
[06:41] <dsmith_> Carolus: new user?
[06:41] <superboy> this is what is saying now "http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/171287/"
[06:43] <Carolus> A month into Ubuntu
[06:44] <Carolus> I've got the word too....the Ubuntu Bible as a guide and tutor
[06:44] <nixternal> superboy: you typed the command incorrectly
[06:44] <nixternal> --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:45] <pragad7> i am dual booting xp and ubuntu 8.10 . i want to install kubuntu 9.10 without having to reinstall xp without losing any data.i have already downloaded kubuntu iso image.cant afford to download alternate image which is necesary to upgrade from ubuntu directly.i came  across this article http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p18.htm which gives me many choices.i am thinking of chosing  ms-sys to unistall ubuntu. just wanted to be sure so i place this before
[06:49] <khensthoth> Hi. My Kubuntu 9.04 autostarts program which are still active on the last shutdown. How do I stop that behaviour?
[06:50] <tsimpson> khensthoth: System Settings -> Advanced -> Session Manager
[06:50] <tsimpson> choose "Start with an empty session"
[06:51] <khensthoth> tsimpson: Thanks! How could I have missed that!
[06:51] <superboy> how do i upgrade to KDE 4.2.3 from the terminal?
[06:51] <tsimpson> see the topic for getting 4.3.3
[06:54] <superboy> how do i upgrade to KDE 4.2.3 from the terminal?
[06:54] <nixternal> superboy: did you add the experiemental repos?
[06:55] <nixternal> or did you just do that?
[06:55] <nixternal> ya you did
[06:55] <nixternal> superboy: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:57] <superboy> whats expirimental repos?
[06:58] <nixternal> it is where the kde 4.2.3 packages are
[06:58] <nixternal> dont' think they have been backported yet
[06:58] <nixternal> nope. 4.2.3 is still in PPA
[07:34] <acer4920> hi
[07:35] <acer4920> do you speak turkish
[07:40] <xso232> anyone here?
[07:55] <jussi01> !tr | acer4920
[08:13] <alid> I have added an entry to my fstab to automount a remote file system on my laptop, it fails to mount it though and keeps giving me question marks "???" when I get a list of the mount point. See: http://pastebin.com/d1f750dbd
[08:16] <cosmo> hello, maybe someone here can help
[08:16] <cosmo> when building qt4 deb package i get: dh_install: libqt4-opengl missing files (usr/lib/libQtOpenGL.so.*), aborting
[08:17] <cosmo> is this normal?
[09:10] <megaribi> What is the easiest way to try kphone?
[09:30] <jody> hi everybody
[09:57] <GeekThunder> Hello, should I download amd64 ISO file for inter 64bit cpu?
[09:58] <scomar> yup
[09:58] <GeekThunder> scomar: so why it is called AMD while my cpu is Intel? :D
[09:59] <scomar> just the name of the architecture designed by AMD. see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[10:00] <GeekThunder> scomar: thx
[10:00] <alid> I want to stream videos from a website and my firefox is saying that I need to install a plugin for application/x-ms-wmp. Does anybody know which plugin I should install?
[10:04] <||arifaX> Is there a good gui ssh tunnel manager for kde like putty or is putty the one to use (looks not very nice under kde)
[10:37] <david_it> hi, is there some repo with kde 4.3svn....?
[10:44] <supert0nes> ||arifaX: just use konsole
[10:45] <||arifaX> supert0nes: that was not the question
[10:45] <supert0nes> putty is so that you can use ssh with windows
[10:45] <supert0nes> a hurdle you don't need to jump in linux
[10:45] <supert0nes> especially considering you can set up konsole profiles to connect to ssh
[10:46] <Mamarok> david_it: not for Kubuntu, no
[10:46] <supert0nes> and if you just need sftp just set up network folders
[10:46] <scomar> alid: I use mplayer-plugin
[10:47] <Mamarok> I am stuck in a ssh session with aptitude running wild on 'trigger man-db' and I can't kill it. Any ideas?
[10:47] <david_it> Mamarok: do you know when it would be avaible...?
[10:47] <alid> scomar: Yea. I found it finally. Thanks. By the way, do you know how I can embed the mplayer plugin within firefox?
[10:47] <Mamarok> david_it: no so soon, as the devs are busy on Karmic Alpha1 right now
[10:48] <alid> scomar: It pops up a new window other than the browser window, and I don't like it to be separated you know.
[10:55] <scomar> alid: this page works embedded for me http://www.freevideocoding.blogspot.com/
[10:56] <robin0800> \SET
[10:57] <alid> scomar: Is it something other than mplayer plugin?
[10:57] <scomar> alid: nope just did apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[10:58] <scomar> have u got the codecs installed?
[10:59] <alid> scomar: No, I'm asking about the url you just gave me. I don't see anything in relation with mplayer plugin within it to embed videos in firefox. Hum?
[11:00] <alid> scomar: Yes. I can play videos, and everything is OK. I just need to embed the mplayer window within the firefox window. Now it pops up videos in a separate window.
[11:01] <scomar> alid: on that page scroll down to where it says "Windows (wmv)" and click
[11:02] <weiser> He, I have an externel HDD when I plug it into my kubuntu 9.04 it only mount the ext3 filesystem as readonly, how can I change that?
[11:02] <weiser> He = hI
[11:03] <alid> scomar: It's strange. In this page, all videos are being played embedded, in the website I am watching, it pops up videos in new windows.
[11:04] <scomar> alid: might be a bug in your webpage .. or something windows-specific?
[11:05] <alid> scomar: Maybe. In MS Windows it's just working perfect, in linux, though, it pops up a new window.
[11:08] <alid> scomar: It's not a big deal though. I'm able to watch videos anyway, and that's fine. Thanks buddy :-)
[11:13] <ForgeAus> hey all, doesn't adept do dist-upgrades anymore?
[11:20] <Noisia> Can anybody help me with the update manager in Kubuntu 8.10, please?
[11:20] <ForgeAus> adept?
[11:20] <Noisia> Yeah.
[11:20] <ForgeAus> whats your problem?
[11:21] <Noisia> Is there a way to tell it, permanently, "no" to a 9.04 upgrade?
[11:21] <ForgeAus> uh not exactly, I think you simply just ignore it...
[11:21] <Noisia> Devastating. :P
[11:21] <ForgeAus> actually I'm having the opposite problem, mine isn't telling me I can upgrade and I want to! lol
[11:21] <oobe> ForgeAus, are you using intrepid
[11:21] <ForgeAus> yes oobe
[11:22] <oobe> i was using hardy and upgraded hardy is lts and i had to edit a config before it would update
[11:22] <ForgeAus> I've been from edgy->feisty->hardy->gutsy->intrepid and now going jaunty
[11:22] <oobe> i cant remember what it was but im sure it can be done using same config
[11:23] <ForgeAus> oopos I think I made a minor mistake in the ordering
[11:23] <ForgeAus> argh no firegl for Jaunty?
[11:24] <oobe> ForgeAus, /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[11:24] <ForgeAus> (actually I don't think I should be using firegl anyway... )
[11:24] <oobe> edit that to be lts
[11:24] <oobe> or better yet  never  - never prompt for a new distribution version
[11:25] <ForgeAus> its set to normal I want it on normal but Noisia wants it on never
[11:25] <oobe> woops i meant to say that to Noisia
[11:25] <ForgeAus> or LTS (if you only want LTS upgrades)
[11:25] <ForgeAus> mine is already on normal tho so thats not whats happening
[11:25] <oobe> sorry ForgeAus
[11:26] <ForgeAus> (acting like its on never tho)
[11:27] <ForgeAus> lspci says I h ave : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] [1002:4150]
[11:27] <ForgeAus> which is correct...
[11:28] <ForgeAus> but currently I could only get X working with firegl (which doesn't exactly fit that card but it seems to function... )
[11:28] <jussi01> Does anyone know where I can get UNR jaunty? doesnt seem to be on cdimage.ubuntu.com...
[11:28] <ForgeAus> Jaunty drops FireGL, am I going to have trouble getting Radeon working?
[11:28] <ForgeAus> unr?
[11:28] <jussi01> netbook remix
[11:29] <ForgeAus> sorry no idea jussi
[11:29] <jussi01> oh meh, I was going too advanced :D
[11:29] <jussi01> its on the from of the ubuntu site
[11:29] <ForgeAus> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UNR
[11:30] <ForgeAus> thats the closest link I can find on google at a glance
[11:31] <jussi01> ForgeAus: thanks - its all sorted though - it could have jumped out and slapped me :D
[11:34] <Noisia> Oobe: Thanks for your help. Can someone explain what an LTS upgrade is, please?
[11:34]  * ForgeAus unslaps jussi01
[11:35] <ForgeAus> Long Time Service
[11:35] <ForgeAus> Long Term Service ? something like that
[11:35] <jussi01> Long term support
[11:35] <ForgeAus> just until the next LTS release (the cycle for them is longer than ordinary releases
[11:36] <Noisia> Oh, I see. Should have figured that out from the wiki. Thanks ForgeAus.
[11:36] <oobe> Noisia, you can just use never if you like or lts will be around ever 3 years
[11:36] <ForgeAus> but does a dist-update between lts's work?
[11:37] <ForgeAus> wouldn't it be a pretty much completely diff OS? ...
[11:37] <Noisia> Never will do. I'll probably end up at least taking a look at the Live-CD for most subsequent releases anyway.
[11:37] <ForgeAus> at least theres only 75 or so packages in the intrepid->Jaunty dist-update...
[11:38] <ForgeAus> actually I should fill in one of the liveCD's I might get the next one too...
[11:38] <ravager> Hello. New guy here.
[11:38] <ForgeAus> (I'm still back at Edgy and Feisty when it comes to LiveCD's!
[11:38] <ravager> Tried Ubuntu for a while but it just wouldn't behave.
[11:38] <ravager> First time giving this a try and let me say, this is a SWEET OS
[11:38] <ForgeAus> really ravager?
[11:39] <Noisia> You've got to keep the Gnomes chained down. :P
[11:39] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are very similar ... the base packages are the same...
[11:39] <ravager> Oh no
[11:39] <ravager> So you mean my sound could screw up if I update?
[11:39] <ForgeAus> depends on the drivers, ravager... possibly in your case, I wouldn't know
[11:40] <ravager> I have onboard sound...Intel I believe.
[11:40] <ravager> Uses Realtek drivers..etc
[11:40] <ravager> All I know is, with Ubuntu it would work perfect until I updated stuff.
[11:40] <ForgeAus> yeah well Realtek drivers sound fairly common, I'd say they'd be supported more than likely...
[11:41] <ForgeAus> ravager, doesn't sound right... upgrades tend to fix things for me not break them
[11:41] <ravager> No one seemed able to help, to me it seemed like everything was working as it should, just no sound was coming out.
[11:41] <oobe> ForgeAus, no dist-upgrade doesnt work unless its set to normal or you have it set to lts and there is a new lts
[11:42] <ForgeAus> although this time Jaunty dist-upgrade gave me a note that fireGL isn't supported anymore, so I might have  a similar issue... (only GFX not sound)
[11:42] <ForgeAus> ravager, it wasn't a volume problem was it?
[11:42] <ForgeAus> they're the simplest fix for something like that
[11:42] <ravager> No, as far as I could tell I had no sound.
[11:42] <Noisia> The main reason I wanted to switch release-upgrade from "normal" to "never" is to get Adept out of the system tray unless there's packages to update - will that happen?
[11:43] <ravager> Speakers and settings full blast and nothing.
[11:43] <ForgeAus> ravager I can't say I doubt I can help about that one...
[11:43] <ravager> That settles it then, no updating for me..lol.
[11:43] <ForgeAus> Noisia essentially yes...
[11:43] <ForgeAus> it should
[11:43] <Noisia> Ok, thank you.
[11:44] <ravager> Actually I might go through it one day and install things one by one till I find the culprit.
[11:44] <ForgeAus> never will remove Adept from the System tray if there is no packages to update (unless it still has an "all current" mode like it used to but I haven't seen that for a long time... )
[11:45] <ForgeAus> used to be a green circle telling me that I had current packages, (ie no updates available)
[11:46] <ravager> Hmmm, most of the bug fixes seem to be things I don't care about.
[11:46] <ForgeAus> yeah same here...
[11:46] <ForgeAus> in general
[11:47] <ravager> I would have used Ubuntu full time if it wasn't for that sound problem, and it seems pretty common
[11:47] <ForgeAus> UNR seems to have an alternate desktop but it looks like its all gnome-based...
[11:47] <ForgeAus> I wonder if theres a KDE version of that
[11:48] <jussi01> I dont think so ForgeAus
[11:48] <ravager> This looks like it will take me a while to figure out.
[11:48]  * ravager feels stupid
[11:48] <ForgeAus> ravager, whats stupid about asking a question?
[11:49] <ravager> Nothing at all I suppose, lol.
[11:49] <ravager> What I do feel bad about is when I posted my problem on the forums when there were several others that were the exact same, only their fixes didn't work for me.
[11:50] <ForgeAus> ravager don't give up this sounds complicated, I suggest you do the upgrade, if your sound still doesn't work then research it some more until you can find a solution...
[11:50] <ForgeAus> I'm sure its possible to fix especially if you ahve it working on initial installation
[11:51] <ForgeAus> I had a fairly unusual sound issue too, had to install some kernel modules for Cmedia sound
[11:51] <ForgeAus> (another Intel board)
[11:51] <ForgeAus> wait no Intel Chipset, ASUS board... my mistake
[11:52] <ravager> See? I have no idea about installing kernels and such, lol.
[11:53] <ravager> I'll learn as I go along I suppose.
[11:53] <forge_> (sorry I got disconnected
[11:53] <ravager> Happens, lol.
[11:53] <ForgeAus> and as I was saying no I didn't need to install the kernel
[11:54] <eagles0513875> anyone use lemon pos before
[11:54] <ForgeAus> (with kubuntu you simply do that as a package anyway... no need to recompile it manually)
[11:54] <ravager> Ahh ok. That I understand.
[11:54] <ForgeAus> this was just a kernel module for the particular sound driver I had, all I needed to do was follow the instructions ...
[11:54] <ForgeAus> once I found what the problem was...
[11:54] <ForgeAus> but that one wasn't so obvious at the time
[11:55] <ForgeAus> still realtek is fairy well supported I find it odd this is happening to you
[11:55] <zurdito> holaaaaaaa
[11:55] <ravager> I really have no clue what the problem could have been.
[11:56] <zurdito> alguien sabe como desintlar kubuntu y q me quede solo ubuntu 8.10
[11:56] <ravager> What throws me off is when it LOOKS like everything is working fine. No visible issues.
[11:56] <zurdito> intente y no se va  igual tengo la opcion de gnome
[11:56] <ForgeAus> well there's plenty of people who know more than I do around here at some times, ask someone some other time, they may know how to help
[11:56] <ravager> But off I go, going to try installing the security updates 1 by 1.
[11:57] <ravager> Thanks for the chit chat :)
[11:59] <zurdito> alguien sabe como desintlar kubuntu y q me quede solo ubuntu 8.10
[11:59] <zurdito> intente y no se va  igual tengo la opcion de gnome
[12:20] <eagles0513875> anyone here use lemon pos before
[12:20] <eagles0513875> pos (point of sales) to clarify
[12:27] <sebr_> I imagine that it's been asked a hundred thousand times - but is there an eta on KDE 4.3 beta1 packages for jaunty?
[12:29] <eagles0513875> sebr: best bet probably to ask in #kde
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> eagles0513875: not for kubuntu packages
[12:29] <sebr_> really? i can't imagine that'd be so
[12:29] <JontheEchidna> sebr_: they're going to be a bit late, probably not wise to say when ;-)
[12:30] <sebr_> okay, thanks. love your work JontheEchidna
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> :)
[12:30] <eagles0513875> JontheEchidna: normally if its beta upstream wont it get pulled and packaged downstream
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> The beta coincided with our merge from Debian and an upcoming alpha freeze for Kubuntu 9.10, so things have been really busy
[12:30] <sebr_> eagles0513875: depends entirely on the package
[12:30] <eagles0513875> true
[12:30] <JontheEchidna> we always package KDE betas in some form, eventually
[12:31] <eagles0513875> sebr: not sure if you fancy a challenge but you could always pull it from svn
[12:31] <ravager> Sound is still working after updates, yay!
[12:32] <ravager> So...how exactly do I add software to this? I see there is no add/remove like ubuntu.
[12:32] <eagles0513875> ravager: you on a clean install of kubuntu 9.04
[12:32] <sebr_> eagles0513875: i used to build kde from trunk (back in the day), but i really cant be bothered now adays
[12:32] <sebr_> i have better things to do that compile :)
[12:32] <ravager> Yes indeed. First time using it.
[12:32] <sebr_> generally - write code
[12:32] <eagles0513875> lol sebr
[12:32] <ravager> Quite cool so far
[12:32] <sebr_> lets face it - which is why i dont run gentoo
[12:33] <eagles0513875> ravager: there is a package manager called kpackagekit that will list all packages in catagories and you can search though that
[12:33] <eagles0513875> sebr: if you wanna turn kubuntu into something like gentoo there is a tool for that
[12:33] <sebr_> yep, it's called "gentoo"
[12:34] <eagles0513875> sebr: actually apt-build is like gentoos emerge
[12:34] <eagles0513875> !apt-build
[12:34] <eagles0513875> !info apt-build
[12:34] <ravager> Ahh ok, thanks :)
[12:35] <eagles0513875> ravager: no problem there is also a few things you can do to search for packages using command line as well
[12:35] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: what do you need lemonpos for, you run a business?
[12:36] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: a friends, friend has one and he is looking for a pos system so im testing it out might end up having to provide linux support and lemon pos support
[12:39] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: and what do you need to know about?
[12:39] <eagles0513875> right now i have the database setup but i am having trouble getting a user setup to access the system
[12:40] <eagles0513875> was looking for documentation seems like there is currently poor documentation on the program itself but its got lots of potential
[12:40] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: you can ask the developers
[12:40] <eagles0513875> i asked on the mailing list
[12:41] <Mamarok> I don't think there are many people here who ever used that
[12:41] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: well, then be patient :)
[12:41] <eagles0513875> my other issue is plasma crashed on me and im trying to restart it and it wont start so im navigating without any menus on the bottom too
[12:41] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: check your isntallation, I haven't had a plasma crash in ages
[12:41] <Mamarok> also there is the bugs database you know about, don't you?
[12:41] <eagles0513875> ya
[12:42] <eagles0513875> mine is more random
[12:42] <eagles0513875> also for some reason when i close outa programs it seems like programs say open in the bottom menu bar but actually have been closed
[12:42] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: use the command line then
[12:42] <eagles0513875> i am
[12:42] <ravager> Hmmm....
[12:42] <eagles0513875> whats wrong ravager
[12:43] <ravager> Do other browers not work well with this?
[12:43] <ravager> *browsers
[12:43] <eagles0513875> they do
[12:43] <eagles0513875> there is firefox which is in the repositories
[12:43] <eagles0513875> ravager: what kind of browser are you looking for
[12:44] <Mamarok> ravager work well with what? I didn't follow
[12:44] <ravager> firefox or opera, simply because they are familiar, everything seems very alien to me right now, lol
[12:44] <eagles0513875> ravager: there is firefox that is available
[12:44] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: hes brand new to linux and kubuntu
[12:44] <ravager> ok, nice.
[12:44] <eagles0513875> welcome to the world of linux btw ravager :)
[12:45] <ravager> Yes indeed, lol. I am worried I will mess something up
[12:45] <curiouscuz> thats how you learn ravager :D
[12:45] <Mamarok> ravager: you can hardly mess up things if you don't use the admin features without thinking
[12:46] <Mamarok> ravager: also, there are a lot of user guides around on the web
[12:46] <eagles0513875> ravager: i remember when i first started on kubuntu lol used to break things once every new release now i havent done that in a while
[12:47]  * tsimpson thinks about the wonder that is commas
[12:47] <Amarok__> hey guys anyone know how i can register my nick
[12:47] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: about lemonpos: it makes not much sense to "test" it without data, you need a MySQL database behind to use it
[12:47] <ravager> I did that with ubuntu :( Its cool if i can figure out whats wrong, but since I'm new I'm clueless
[12:47] <tsimpson> !register | Amarok__
[12:47] <Mamarok> Amarok__: if it's this one, don't
[12:48] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: there is squeeze which is where you input the data into the database. its the gui friendly version of data insertion
[12:48] <Mamarok> Amarok__: you should get yourself an original name
[12:48] <eagles0513875> how come ctrl+alt+shift+backspace doesnt restart x anymore
[12:48] <tsimpson> shift?
[12:48] <bazhang> !dontzap
[12:49] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: still, you just said you had trouble with enabling a user for the database...
[12:50] <Mamarok> oops...
[12:55] <ravager> slight confusion.
[12:55] <Mamarok> ravager: tell me :)
[12:56] <ravager> Sound works, but I would like to use my usb headset. It's plugged in but no sound. It's detected in the mixer though
[12:56] <Bacta> Hi I'm getting poor DVD playback, I've checked my DVD drive and it is operating in UDMA mode
[12:56] <Bacta> Things are very stuttery
[12:56] <eagles0513875> tsimpson: didnt know the new shortcut to restart x
[12:57] <eagles0513875> ty btw
[12:57] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: that's not new at all, that has always been the one :) it's just disabled now
[12:57] <tsimpson> eagles0513875: it's not a shortcut to restart X, it kills X. the only reason X starts back up is because the display manager sees that X has died
[12:58] <eagles0513875> funny thing i did that and logged back in but plasma didnt start seems like something killed plasma good though
[12:59] <Bacta> Any help?
[12:59] <ikonia> Bacta: you're using ubuntu not kubuntu
[13:00] <Bacta> I'm using Kubuntu
[13:00] <ikonia> Bacta: oh, you're initial question was on ubuntu, I must have been mistaken
[13:00] <Bacta> You were
[13:00] <ikonia> Bacta: what playback application are you using
[13:00] <Bacta> VLC
[13:00] <Bacta> but it happens across all applications
[13:01] <Bacta> I even replaced the DVD drive but am still having the same issue so I'm thinking that it might be a lower level issue, but what could it be?
[13:02] <ikonia> what version of the kde desktop are you using ?
[13:02] <Bacta> KDE 4 I think?
[13:03] <ikonia> dpkg -l | grep kde
[13:03] <ikonia> pastebin that please then we can know
[13:03] <curiouscuz> you can even look at Help -> About KDE on KDE apps for KDE version
[13:03] <Bacta> Ah that's right, I just did the update to 4.2.3
[13:04] <Bacta> But this has been going on long before that even on other distros
[13:04] <ikonia> Bacta: can you pastebin the output of dpkg -l | grep kde please
[13:04] <ikonia> desktop is a good place to start as it's a common factor across all applications
[13:07] <ikonia> Bacta: have you got it ?
[13:07] <Bacta> Am on the phone, bbiab
[13:07] <ikonia> ahhh yes
[13:13] <ForgeAus> how would I make a redhat (fedora?) subsystem for kubuntu?
[13:13] <bazhang> you wouldn't
[13:14] <ikonia> ForgeAus: they are two different OS's
[13:14] <ikonia> ForgeAus: you can do virtualization though
[13:14] <ikonia> !virtualization > ForgeAus
[13:15] <ForgeAus> I know about vmware, virtualbox, etc...
[13:15] <ForgeAus> but wouldn't there be lots of redundancy?
[13:15] <ForgeAus> I already have  kernel and x-server...
[13:16] <bazhang> not possible
[13:17] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: what are you actually trying to acheive?
[13:17]  * eagles0513875 quietly waves to Hobbsee
[13:17] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: hi.
[13:18] <peaches> ForgeAus: yes more than one distro is a redundancy in itself
[13:19] <Bacta> ikonia: I've got someone on the phone who says differently since this was also an issue under Windows
[13:19] <Bacta> He's asking why you would need to know about the packages at all?
[13:22] <jussi01> Bacta: if its a problem under windows also, its likely it isnt os related - perhaps try ##hardware ?
[13:23] <Bacta> Off the top of your head how low level would we be talking with this?
[13:23] <Bacta> Perhaps a motherboard issue seeing as I replaced the drives?
[13:23] <elky> more like dust.
[13:23] <jussi01> Bacta: Im not a hardware specialist, really, try ##hardware
[13:23] <tsimpson> better advice will be in ##hardware
[13:23] <Bacta> Dusty SATA?
[13:24] <ForgeAus> hobbsee compatibility is what I'm trying to achieve
[13:24] <Hobbsee> !alien
[13:24] <ForgeAus> Alien I wouldn't recommend using
[13:24] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: ie, something like ^ might be what you're wanting?
[13:25] <elky> dusty optics.
[13:25] <ForgeAus> Alien is an option, but no...
[13:25] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: then you'll have to virtualise the lot.  There aren't any other optoins
[13:25] <Bacta> This is a brand new out of the box DVD-R so no
[13:26] <ForgeAus> why cant I use my current kernel and various directories to store userlands from different distros?
[13:26] <tsimpson> Bacta: this channel is for Kubuntu support, not SATA CD/DVD R/RW support
[13:26] <jussi01> Bacta: once again, this is not a channel for hardware issues, please take the problem to ##hardware
[13:26] <eagles0513875> there is also yum in the repos
[13:26] <elky> Bacta, then it has a warranty.
[13:26] <ForgeAus> and say chroot between them?
[13:26] <ForgeAus> i don't mind having a base distro...
[13:27] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: if you can find software to help you do that, go for it.  As far as I know, such software has not been written
[13:27] <Hobbsee> the closest thing I can think of is smart, but that's mainly on opensuse and similar
[13:27] <ForgeAus> I can see if I were using a different filesystem or something it would make sense to use Virtualization
[13:28] <ikonia> ForgeAus: 2 distros's can't be used at the same time, you need to virtualise it
[13:28] <ForgeAus> ie I run from ext3 currently, but if I wanted an XFS-based filesystem for another distro I'd at least have to create a hardfile or partition for that... makes sense...
[13:28] <ForgeAus> whats UML btw? (User Mode Linux?)
[13:28] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: true.  check out smartpm - it's the closest thing I can think of for what you're wanting to do
[13:28] <Hobbsee> although support for it is likely much better on something like opensuse, i'm afraid
[13:29] <ForgeAus> Kpackage is essentially same thing ...
[13:29] <g-hennux> hi!
[13:29] <ForgeAus> gentoo, rpm, port, etc packages... but thats just a manager...
[13:29] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: which is a frontend to smart, yes
[13:30] <g-hennux> does anyone else experience 100% cpu load in jaunty when the calendar plasmoid is put on the desktop?
[13:30] <ForgeAus> really? kpackage requires smart? thats odd...
[13:30] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: UML = Unified Modelling Language
[13:30] <ForgeAus> hehe Mamarok that too but thats not the UML I am talking about
[13:30] <ForgeAus> UML as in use cases and class diagrams is something different
[13:30] <Bacta> UML = Total Waste of Time
[13:31] <ForgeAus> UML as in UserModeLinux uses stuff called honeypots... not quite clear on what that means tho...
[13:31] <Bacta> Ah :P
[13:31] <ravager> Hmmm question
[13:31] <Hobbsee> ForgeAus: i'd suggest the best answer to what uml is is "check wikipedia"
[13:31] <ravager> Will I be ok if I don't bother to learn too much terminal stuff?
[13:31] <ForgeAus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User-mode_Linux
[13:31] <Bacta> ravager: Why?
[13:31] <faileas> ravager: you'll end up picking it up as you go along
[13:32] <ForgeAus> lol ravager I know how you feel there
[13:32] <Bacta> ravager: I had that attitude once, I now do most of my stuff through the terminal - it's faster
[13:32] <ForgeAus> I was a consol-o-phobe too, once :)
[13:32] <ForgeAus> ravager, stick to instructions from webpages until you learn what your're doing and then you should be fine
[13:33] <ForgeAus> terminal is quite handy actually...
[13:33] <ravager> That I can do, lol
[13:33] <Bacta> And avoid rm -rf / as root ;)
[13:33] <Mamarok> folks, give him a break, he is starting...
[13:33] <eagles0513875> hahahah Bacta
[13:33] <jussi01> !danger
[13:33] <ForgeAus> but I definitely do prefer GUI solutions where possible I must admit
[13:33] <Mamarok> ravager: it will come with time and suddenly you find yourself using the command line all the time :)
[13:33] <g-hennux> does anyone else experience 100% cpu load in jaunty when the calendar plasmoid is put on the desktop?
[13:33] <ForgeAus> (I have a terrible memory for commands and switches... and especially vi)
[13:34] <eagles0513875> g-hennux: nope i havent had that issue check out top and see what could be eating all your processing power that way
[13:34] <ForgeAus> g-hennux afaik your not likely to be alone there, I think I read something about 100PU on some plasmoids somewhere...
[13:34] <ForgeAus> you might want to submit it as a bug?
[13:34] <Mamarok> eagles0513875: I think he just said it was the applet...
[13:35] <g-hennux> eagles0513875: it *is* the calendar plasmoid, i just checked. just in #kde noone can reproduce so i thought it might be a kubuntu problem
[13:35] <eagles0513875> g-hennux: let me give it a shot hold on
[13:36] <ForgeAus> but I think my console issues are partly because I have a mild case of Aspergers Syndrome...
[13:36] <eagles0513875> g-hennux: no issue here
[13:36] <ForgeAus> so if I can get used to it with all my problems I'm assuming pretty much anyone else can too... in time...
[13:37] <Mamarok> g-hennux: I can't confirm neither, are you using the default KDE 4.2.2?
[13:38] <g-hennux> Mamarok: yes, from jaunty
[13:38] <ForgeAus> yeah well for doesn't do that 100% thing for me either...
[13:38] <Mamarok> g-hennux: did you do an upgrade or a fresh install?
[13:38] <ForgeAus> so I can't reproduce it...
[13:38] <g-hennux> Mamarok: upgrade
[13:38] <g-hennux> anyway, if i'm the only one with that problem, it's ok, i can live without
[13:38] <ForgeAus> its actually quite a nice plasmoid
[13:39] <Mamarok> g-hennux: did you run KDE 4.1.3 previously
[13:39] <Mamarok> ?
[13:39] <g-hennux> Mamarok: oh... i don't think so
[13:40] <Mamarok> g-hennux: KDE 4.1.3 was the default in 8.10, unless you installed the backports
[13:47] <spawn57> hi, anyone know how I can my hands on kde 4.3 beta 1 on kubuntu?
[13:47] <Mamarok> spawn57: there is no repo for now, you can try Neon though
[13:48] <Mamarok> !neon | spawn57
[13:48] <spawn57> neo?
[13:48] <spawn57> oh wow that sounds a bit too intense
[13:48] <Mamarok> spawn57: well, you want a bleeding edge beta, don't you?
[13:48] <Mamarok> spawn57: also, it installs in a sandbox and doesn't touch your basic installation
[13:49] <spawn57> really?
[13:49] <spawn57> damn
[13:50] <eagles0513875> Mamarok: your tempting me lol
[13:50] <spawn57> I still want a usable system :P
[13:52] <Mamarok> spawn57: and why would your system not be usable anymore?
[13:53] <Mamarok> spawn57: as I said, it doesn't override your current installation, if a daily Neon build has problems, you can still use your other installation
[13:53] <spawn57> yeah but the chances are that I'll stay on the bleeding edge neon stuff..
[13:53] <Mamarok> spawn57: and why would this be bad?
[13:54] <spawn57> are you trying them?
[13:54] <Mamarok> spawn57: I have an even more bleeding edge Amarok local build from SVN here, yes
[13:54] <Mamarok> and will certainly install Neon to get KDE from trunk
[13:55] <Mamarok> spawn57: I don't understand your argument, didn't you ask for KDE 4.3 beta?
[13:56] <spawn57> yeah I'm confusing myself here too
[13:56] <Mamarok> KDE trunk doesn't mean it's broken and unusable, you just have to know what you are doing
[13:56] <spawn57> oh
[13:56] <Mamarok> and as Neon doesn't touch your basic installation, you habe the fun without the risk :)
[13:56] <spawn57> hmm
[13:56] <spawn57> arlight
[13:56] <spawn57> but when you say know what i'm doing, what does that require
[13:57] <Mamarok> spawn57: it depends what you want to do with your computer in the first place
[13:57] <Mamarok> depends on*
[13:59] <spawn57> mostly browse, pim, and, chat..
[13:59] <spawn57> some code, and draw using gimp.
[13:59] <Mamarok> spawn57: and what would you need 4.2 beta for?
[13:59] <llManDrakell> .
[13:59] <Mamarok> 4.3 beta I mean
[14:00] <spawn57> oh
[14:00] <spawn57> better browsing and pim.
[14:00] <spawn57> haha
[14:01] <spawn57> sometimes I vote for the bugs I notice.
[14:02] <Mamarok> spawn57: well, you must know what you need, can't take that decision for you
[14:03] <Mamarok> but as the developers are very busy right now with Karmic synchronisation from Debian, the kde 4.3 beta is not going to shopw up that fast
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Good Day all
[14:04] <spawn57> what's karmic synchronisation?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> they're reflecting and meditating in the debian Temple :)
[14:04] <spawn57> thought so.... :P
[14:05] <Mamarok> spawn57: Karmic Koala is the next version of K/X/Ubuntu, and the start is always coming from Debian Sid
[14:05] <Mamarok> which means importing a lot of packages and getting a first Alpha build
[14:05] <Mamarok> and that takes a lot of time
[14:05] <spawn57> ahhh I see
[14:06] <BluesKaj> levity Mamarok ,  little levity this morning/afternoon/evening
[14:07] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: ;) levitating me would be too much an effort
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Mamarok: not you, just the conversataion
[14:08] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:08] <Amarok__> guys whats the best feed reader for kde
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Akregator works well
[14:09] <ravager> I think I will be forever tweaking this, lol.
[14:09] <linuxerson_> 하이
[14:09] <linuxerson_> hi
[14:09] <ravager> My only issue would be my headset. Everything else...perfect
[14:09] <linuxerson_> ravager : hi...
[14:10] <Amarok__> hi
[14:10] <andre_pl_> how can I configure my nvidia card to stop switching between performance levels? I did it a while back under gnome but since switching to kde its started doing its own power-level-switching again and it causes my display to ficker
[14:11] <ravager> Howdy
[14:11] <BluesKaj> andre_pl , which nvidia card ?
[14:12] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj:  its a 9600 I think, built into my laptop (dell M1710)
[14:12] <andre_pl_> k
[14:13] <BluesKaj> the spower settings are prolly affecting performance ,set your power levels to "performance" when pluggin and some powersave or such when on battery , unless battery life isn'r important
[14:14] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: its already set to performance.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> sorry i meant graphics set to performance , noe set your power supply to it'd highest level
[14:15] <BluesKaj> noe=now
[14:15] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: I'm not sure where I can change that option
[14:16] <BluesKaj> system settings /advanced/power management
[14:17] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: I dont have any options here related to graphics. just general pwer settings.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> andre_pl_: on jaunty ?
[14:18] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: yes.
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hmm,, give me a minute , I'll get the laptop turned  and take a look
[14:20] <BluesKaj> on
[14:20] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: much appreciated.
[14:20] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: I found this post which seems relevant, I think I might have used something like that the first time I solved this problem, but iirc it was in xorg.conf maybe
[14:20] <andre_pl_> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9649
[14:24] <andre_pl_> BluesKaj: I'll brb
[14:24] <Mazugrazus> hi guys, i need help with iptables (just learning how to work with them doing university lab job) i have used iptables -P INPUT DROP
[14:24] <Mazugrazus> and how to make work only http?
[14:25] <Mazugrazus> if i write sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
[14:25] <Mazugrazus> web browser still isnt working and i cant go to any page
[14:26] <Mazugrazus> so any sugestions?
[14:30] <andre_pl> BluesKaj: so far so good. after creating that file in /etc/modprobe.d my power level seem to be fixed at 2.
[14:31] <Mazugrazus> how to clear iptables?
[14:32] <BluesKaj> ok, great, you should have an option tab in system settings power management called "let power devil manage screen powersaving" ..think i'd uncheck that.
[14:50] <jemand> Hi, any hints to get along with "the flash mess" under Kubuntu 9.04?
[14:51] <andre_pl> BluesKaj: thanks for your help
[14:53] <ravager> ???
[14:53] <ravager> My desktop went black
[14:54] <ravager> And everything is fullscreen..
[14:54] <BluesKaj> andre_pl: np :
[14:55] <ravager> Anyone??
[14:55] <ravager> I can alt-tab, but that's it. No desktop except the mouse cursor
[14:55] <jussi01> jemand: care to elabborate some?
[14:56] <jussi01> ravager: tried restarting plasma?
[14:56] <ravager> how do I do that?
[14:57] <jussi01> ravager: alt+f2 - plasma <- that will start it, though Im not sure its running or not...
[14:57] <jemand> on 2 different computers (x64 AMD , 386 Intel) I can't get any satisfying results playing flash files
[14:58] <jemand> 386: doesn't start flashes (Konqueror  and firefox)
[14:58] <jussi01> jemand: and you have installed flash?
[14:58] <jussi01> ie. installed the flashplugin-installer package ?
[14:59] <jemand> jep,
[14:59] <ravager> well that was quite terrifying
[14:59] <jussi01> jemand: what actually happens? please define what you mean by unsatisfying results?
[14:59] <jussi01> ravager: ?
[15:00] <ravager> i logged off and on and it seemed to fix whatever happened
[15:00] <jussi01> ravager: yeah, i suspect plasma crashed...
[15:00] <jemand> firefox uses Swfdec 0.8.2
[15:01] <ravager> Trying to figure out something to do about the fonts...They seem a bit rough
[15:01] <jemand> shows the first pic of the flash but not more
[15:01] <Mamarok> ravager: install the Liberation font
[15:01]  * jussi01 waves to Mamarok
[15:01]  * Mamarok waves back to jussi01 
[15:02] <Mamarok> ravager: the package is called 'ttf-liberation' IIRC
[15:04] <ravager> ahh ok, thanks :)
[15:04] <Mamarok> ravager: you then need to change fonts:
[15:04] <Mamarok> ravager: SystemSettings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[15:05] <konqui> Great site for helping install kubuntu and list of best apps linux.host22.com
[15:06] <Mamarok> args, spammers...
[15:07] <ravager> The backend took too much time to process the synchronous request - you need to fork!
[15:07] <ravager> this is what i was told
[15:12] <lucapappo> ci sono italiani?
[15:12] <ravager> nevermind, fixed :) Thanks guys
[15:13] <lucapappo> c'è nessuno?
[15:13] <bazhang> !it
[15:15] <ravager> Fixed my headset issue too
[15:23] <ralmar> Hey guys. I installed the kubuntu-desktop package over my Ubuntu (gnome) 9.04 installation a few weeks ago. A couple days ago I noticed the bootup splashscreen said "Kubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu" so I used the " sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so" command and changed the default artwork from kubuntu to Ubuntu. However today when I booted up I saw the Kubuntu splashscreen again. And after entering that same command in terminal I saw that the
[15:23] <ralmar>  UBUNTU artwork was set as default so I dont understand why the Kubuntu one loaded up. Any ideas? Thanks
[15:26] <ravager> Lovely, very lovely. At this rate I can lose windows altogether :D
[15:27] <ravager> Now to sort out the email client issue
[15:27] <ravager> Hmmm....http://www.google.com
[15:29] <ravager> 1 question sort of. Do you think that anti-virus and a firewall is needed really?
[15:29] <frank_____> hello?
[15:29] <dertester> hi
[15:30] <frank_____> where can I ask questions about kubuntu? ..here?
[15:30] <ravager> yes indeed
[15:30] <genii> frank_____: Yes.
[15:30] <frank_____> simple one: how can I tell which version of KDE I have?
[15:32] <jussi01> frank_____: open konqueror and click help -> about.
[15:33] <frank_____> thanks! .. KDE 4.2.2
[15:33] <jussi01> :)
[15:33] <dertester> is it possible to install beryl on kubuntu?
[15:33] <jussi01> !beryl | dertester
[15:33] <jussi01> dertester: which version of kubuntu do you have?
[15:34] <dertester> 8.10
[15:34] <jussi01> dertester: you can use the kwin desktop effects also
[15:34] <Mazugrazus> how to create rule with iptable? if i get ping i need to respond only if it comes from local network ?
[15:34] <jussi01> they are now pretty close to compiz in features.
[15:34] <dertester> compiz works on my pc, but the cube effect doesn't seem to work
[15:35] <dertester> i can activate it, but nothing happens if i press the shortcuts
[15:35] <jussi01> dertester: try asking in #compiz-fusion
[15:35] <dertester> okay, ty
[15:36] <frank_____> #join
[15:58] <konqui> Am expreriancing very low sound
[16:02] <konqui> Expriancing low sound ouput can anyone help
[16:14] <konqui> very low sound output in 9.04
[16:21] <aishdasnik> anyone have a recommendation for a cheap wifi card (PCI) that is easy to install on 9.04?
[16:22] <zer0her0> ok i'm a kde newb, i'm running kubuntu in vmware fusion on a OS X host, i'm trying to change the screen resolution, not evenn sure where to start looking, any hints, or URLs someone would be kind enough to direct me to?
[16:22] <christophe__> konqui: check the mixer. often the pcm is very low
[16:23] <christophe__> systemsettings and display?
[16:23] <zer0her0> christophe__: that at me?  I tried that, on reboot resets to some really high resolution
[16:23] <zer0her0> which is then scaled to fit my 15" display.
[16:25] <christophe__> zer0her0: hmmm. screen resolutions really are a mess. maybe with krandr
[16:25] <zer0her0> that a program?
[16:25] <christophe__> yep, in the systems menu
[16:25] <christophe__> or alt+f2 and then krandr
[16:26] <christophe__> it will start a systray icon
[16:27] <zer0her0> hm ok.
[16:27] <christophe__> doesn't sound convincing?
[16:28] <zer0her0> we'll see, it took a sec, but then kicked into the rez i set last time just rebooting to see how it acts.
[16:28] <christophe__> ok. good luck
[16:29] <zer0her0> it doesn't change the login screen rez and stuff, i'm assuming/thinking i need to change a pref file or something
[16:29] <christophe__> i see, so its only the login screen that has the wrong resolution?
[16:29] <zer0her0> does kde use x.org or something(it's been a minute since i've played with Linux and WMs)
[16:29] <christophe__> xorg.conf is no longer used for resolution stuff
[16:30] <zer0her0> both login screen and then once i login doesn't keep the resolution, though krandr fixes the latter problem.
[16:30] <christophe__> everything is supposed to be automatic
[16:30] <zer0her0> ...what i was figuring :)
[16:30] <zer0o> hi guys having difficulties finding my printer's drivers
[16:30] <christophe__> but you can still set resolutions in it and they will be used when an entry exists
[16:31] <aishdasnik> to rephrase my question (i'm feeling ignored)... does the latest CD include drivers for any wifi cards?
[16:31] <christophe__> zer0o: did you try the automatic installation?
[16:32] <benbloom> I need help with Java, Kubuntu8.04  and Firefox3
[16:32] <zer0o> christophe__: no i went on the epson support site and the downloaded file opens an html link to another page on which it says i'll find the drivers, but there arent for my model, how do i do?
[16:33] <christophe__> forget the site, start the printer configuration
[16:33] <christophe__> system settings --> advanced --> printer configuration
[16:35] <christophe__> aishdasnik: yes, it should
[16:35] <christophe__> mine was recognized and worked out of the box
[16:36] <sandygws> Hello everyone, I'd like to ask if you can suggest a guide to installing Kubuntu on a Dedicated server.
[16:38] <christophe__> the kde 4.3 beta 1 packages really seem to be a PITA. does anybody know how far we are?
[16:39] <aishdasnik> christophe_: "it should" what? help.ubuntu.com tells me to go to my card using lspci, get the chipset, and do the right thing. i don't yet own the card. i am looking for advice on a card that you know (perhaps the one you have) is covered by KUbuntu out-of-the-box
[16:40] <Mazugrazus> how to make rule using iptables if user connecting with port 1111 and from ip 193.219.52.52 let him to connect but to all other connections do not respond and dont let to connect ?
[16:40] <christophe__> oh, thats a different thing
[16:40] <christophe__> mine is build-in
[16:40] <christophe__> i once got a cheap 30 € stick that never ran in windows. was also recognized
[16:41] <aishdasnik> u got a connection off a USB stick???
[16:41] <Mazugrazus> any ideas?
[16:41] <christophe__> a wifi stick :-)
[16:41] <christophe__> looks the same though
[16:42] <christophe__> u don't need  card. a stick is portable
[16:42] <aishdasnik> ok, u lost me again. i meant -- a wifi board plugged into your USB port. that's what you're talking about?
[16:42] <christophe__> i dare to say that by now all wifi cards/sticks should work in ubuntu
[16:42] <aishdasnik> i can give that a try without shopping, so it's worth a shot.
[16:42] <aishdasnik> tnx.
[16:42] <christophe__> thats true
[16:42] <aishdasnik> the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported page was overwhelming to me
[16:43] <christophe__> just plug it in, wait a few secs and see what happens. no need to reboot
[16:43] <aishdasnik> then use kwifimonitor or is there a better management tool?
[16:43] <christophe__> well, i guess its out of date. documentations usually are
[16:43] <christophe__> u are using kde 4.x?
[16:44] <zer0her0> christophe__: thanks for your help
[16:44] <aishdasnik> yes. just installed kubuntu last night.
[16:44] <zer0her0> i'll talk this a bit later in the day :)
[16:44] <aishdasnik> yeah, he appears to be a god-send
[16:44] <christophe__> zer0her0: sure. glad i was of use
[16:44] <christophe__> aishdasnik: thanks :-)
[16:45] <zer0her0> tackle not talk, stupid brain
[16:45] <aishdasnik> the box is old, and i'm trying to keep it useful by dumping windoze for linux. i like kde, ubuntu is "install and not be busy on maintenance", so that's where i went. because the box is old, i'm not trying to spend money getting it running.
[16:46] <aishdasnik> including buying a wifi card just to find out its chipset wasn't supported. so you were reassuring. now, back to the question... which wifi management software do you recommend?
[16:47] <christophe__> ...phone...
[16:50] <podecoet> After installing nvidia-glx under jaunty, my monitors native resolution doesn't come up (or even show up as an option), any ideas how I can fix this? i've been trying for over two hours :(
[16:50] <podecoet> getting 1360x768 instead of 1920x1080
[16:51] <benbloom> I need help with Java, Kubuntu8.04  and Firefox3. can someone help me get it up and running? nothing I've found on google has worked (tried several methods that seemed to work for others)
[16:54] <christophe__> aishdasnik: u don't really need a wifi management tool
[16:54] <christophe__> plug it in, wait a few secs and than clcik on the network tool on the panel
[16:55] <christophe__> u can also go into the console and type "sudo ifconfig" to see what is going on
[16:57] <tzanger> wow it looks like all of qt was updated last night
[16:57] <podecoet> Fixed! Added "        Option "ModeValidation"         "NoMaxPClkCheck, NoEdidMaxPClkCheck"
[16:57] <podecoet> FullHD Jaunty FTW!
[16:59] <InfernoLinux> Hello Everyone
[17:00] <InfernoLinux> I want to connect to my home computer from my laptop at school, Whats the best way to do this
[17:00] <InfernoLinux> I have x11vnc and freenx already installed
[17:00] <christophe__> use the remote desktop connection tool from kde
[17:01] <InfernoLinux> that thing doesnt work man
[17:01] <christophe__> u will also have to configure your router to forward a certain port to your home computer
[17:01] <christophe__> well, it also uses vnc
[17:01] <InfernoLinux> should I have it foreward port 22 for ssh
[17:02] <christophe__> yes, if you only need console access
[17:02] <aishdasnik> thanks. (was afk picking up lunch order.) i think that's it for now.
[17:02] <christophe__> unfortuanetly it is difficult to test these things within your home network
[17:02] <InfernoLinux> I just need GUI access to run an application from the desktop
[17:03] <christophe__> then ssh is not the way to go
[17:03] <christophe__> although, there is an ssh -x option which forwards the xserver
[17:04] <christophe__> aishdasnik: bon appetit
[17:04] <ForgeAus> whats the package name of gdb?
[17:05] <ForgeAus> !gdb
[17:05] <InfernoLinux> see my only problem is that KRFB likes to output a bunch of shi7 on the screen whereas x11vnc and freenx work awesome
[17:06] <christophe__> ForgeAus: maybe gnome-utils?
[17:06] <ForgeAus> gnome? no...
[17:06] <ForgeAus> its gnu compiler not g as in gnome
[17:06] <ForgeAus> actually its the debugger for gnu compilers
[17:06] <christophe__> well if it means gnu-debugger ?
[17:07] <ForgeAus> (generally the main compiler is known as gcc... but theres actually g++, gpc and a few others)
[17:07] <InfernoLinux> christophe do you have a suggestion of a port to use
[17:08] <christophe__> InfernoLinux: you should be able to configure a port in x11vnc
[17:08] <christophe__> i don't know the default port
[17:08] <christophe__> probably 5900
[17:09] <InfernoLinux> yes i use 5902 for x11vnc
[17:09] <christophe__> ok, try forwarding it, but as i said u need a computer outside of your network to test router settings
[17:10] <InfernoLinux> yea Im about to go to school so Im trying to get it setup now
[17:11] <klik> hey
[17:11] <christophe__> InfernoLinux: Good luck. I tried the same a few years back, but the connections were so slow that it was barely usable
[17:12] <christophe__> usually the upload speed is the bottle neck
[17:14] <InfernoLinux> thanks christophe, hopefully it will be ok, I just need to start 3d fluid simulations so I dont need to send/recieve much information other than the screen grab
[17:15] <christophe__> keep us posted
[17:15] <InfernoLinux> no problem
[17:17] <Qwertyi> Coul'd somebody help me to get my memorycard reader workin in my laptop with Kubuntu KDE 4.2.2?
[17:17] <christophe__> well its not the kde version that counts there, more the kubuntu version. jaunty?
[17:19] <Qwertyi> christophe__: Well can't remember anymore.
[17:20] <christophe__> Qwertyi: start the terminal and type uname -a
[17:20] <christophe__> that should give us your kernel version
[17:20] <christophe__> otherwise check your sources
[17:20] <Qwertyi> Linux qwertyi-laptop 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[17:21] <christophe__> hmm, jaunty is at 2.6.28-12 at the moment but there should not be a big difference
[17:21] <christophe__> i guess you are on jaunty since you have a 2.6.28 kernel
[17:21] <christophe__> is the memory card reader usb based?
[17:22] <Pici> jaunty-proposed has 2.6.28-12, the regular repositories  only have 2.6.28-11
[17:22] <Qwertyi> No, its integrated (sorry if some terms are badly written).
[17:22] <christophe__> Pici: thanks. i always forget i run proposed
[17:23] <christophe__> Qweryi: check your dmesg log and see if anything looks like a card reader
[17:23] <Qwertyi> christophe__:
[17:23] <Qwertyi> qwertyi@qwertyi-laptop:~$ lsusb
[17:23] <Qwertyi> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0411:00db MelCo., Inc.
[17:23] <christophe__> if its internal it should be lspci
[17:23] <christophe__> i mean lspci as command
[17:24] <mamr> can anyone tell me what to install in order to get vlc to decode mp4 audio?
[17:24] <Qwertyi> christophe__: 06:04.2 SD Host controller: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Secure Digital Card Reader Controller (rev 01)
[17:24] <christophe__> mamr: vlc has build in codecs as far as i know
[17:24] <mamr> ok
[17:24] <Qwertyi> That was found with lspci
[17:24] <mamr> I see it's not only mp4
[17:25] <mamr> video sound in vlc in general doesn't work
[17:25] <mamr> it's playing mp3s but no video file sound
[17:25] <christophe__> Qwertyi: ok, so the kernel has recognized it. what exactly does not work?
[17:25] <christophe__> mamr: tried another plyer?
[17:25] <christophe__> player
[17:25] <Gamarok__> hey guys
[17:26] <mamr> i'll give ti a try
[17:26] <Qwertyi> When I put memorycard in, nothing happesn. Dolphin doesen't show memorycard.
[17:26] <christophe__> Qwerty: ok, check in your /mnt folder
[17:27] <Qwertyi> And the card works fine with my eeePC and Xandros.
[17:27] <christophe__> so nothing in /mnt or /media ?
[17:27] <Qwertyi> christophe__: I assume i'll found it in root section?
[17:27] <christophe__> yep
[17:27] <lain_> hi all
[17:27] <christophe__> the / at the beginniing means root
[17:28] <genii> Qwertyi: After the card is in, does:  dmesg |  tail                      show something about it being inserted?
[17:28] <Gamarok__> hi ppl
[17:28] <christophe__> Gamarok: hi back to you
[17:29] <Qwertyi> christophe__: In /mnt theres a file called 512Mb.swap
[17:29] <Qwertyi> Type of the file is unknown
[17:29] <christophe__> Qwerty: don't know what that is but probably not the card
[17:29] <christophe__> try what genii: suggested
[17:29] <christophe__> or is it a 512 mb card?
[17:30] <Qwertyi> No. it's 1 Gb card.
[17:30] <genii> Qwertyi: When you insert/remove media the last parts of dmesg output will usually say something about it. Most notable to look for is the hard drive /dev designation, like sdc sdd or so on
[17:31] <Qwertyi> genii: dmsg | tail shows only some lines about WLAN.
[17:31] <christophe__> Qwertyi: just got my own sd card. lets see what happens...
[17:31] <Qwertyi> I ment dmesg
[17:32] <christophe__> well, kde tells me immediately there is a card. i'll see where it is mounted
[17:33] <christophe__> mounted in /media and dmesg tells me about it
[17:33] <Qwertyi> Shall I try upgrade?
[17:34] <christophe__> thats propably not it. Any other ideas anyone?
[17:34] <christophe__> is it an sd card?
[17:34] <benbloom> I need help with Java, Kubuntu8.04  and Firefox3. can someone help me get it up and running? nothing I've found on google has worked (tried several methods that seemed to work for others)
[17:35] <Qwertyi> christophe__: This card is Kinstons 1GB MMC
[17:36] <genii> Qwertyi: Does result of:  lsmod| grep pci_hotplug                        show any result or just return to a command prompt?
[17:36] <christophe__> ..googling
[17:37] <genii> benbloom: Did you look at the !java factoid here yet?
[17:37] <xjjk> benbloom: what's the problem?
[17:37]  * benbloom !java
[17:37] <Qwertyi> genii: Nothing happens.
[17:37] <benbloom> !java
[17:37] <xjjk> benbloom: yep, pretty much just follow what those instructions say
[17:38] <benbloom> thanks guys
[17:38] <genii> benbloom: You want the sun-java6-jre    likely
[17:38] <Gamarok__> hey guys
[17:38] <benbloom> according to adept it's already installed
[17:38] <genii> Qwertyi: sudo modprobe pci_hotplug
[17:39] <xjjk> benbloom: you may not have the Java browser plugin installed?
[17:39] <Qwertyi> genii: FATAL: Module pci_hotplug not found.
[17:39] <xjjk> benbloom: look for the sun-java6-plugin package
[17:39] <genii> Hm.
[17:39] <xjjk> benbloom: it interestingly enough isn't mentioned on that wiki page... the plugin is new, though
[17:40] <xjjk> er, sorry, no, it's not
[17:40] <benbloom> sun-java6-plugin shows no results
[17:40] <benbloom> I have all repositories open
[17:41] <Qwertyi> genii: When I reboot to Window XP the card reader works fine so it isen't broken.
[17:41] <genii> Qwertyi: Yes, seems to be some driver/detection issue (is my best guess at this time from info at hand)
[17:43] <Qwertyi> Darmn.
[17:43] <benbloom> so xjjk the wiki says to enable sun-java5-bin does that conflict with java6?
[17:43] <genii> Qwertyi: When you do: lspci -nn      ...for the card reader, what says the part which looks like:  (8086:1234)      ...this is device:vendor code
[17:43] <xjjk> benbloom: no
[17:44] <xjjk> benbloom: you can have multiple JVMs installed, but only one will be the default
[17:44] <xjjk> whichever you installed last will probably be the default
[17:44] <xjjk> see that wiki page for how to select the default one
[17:44] <xjjk> e.g. when you run "java", which version runs
[17:45] <Qwertyi> genii: There was line like this: 06:04.2 SD Host controller [0805]: ENE Technology Inc ENE PCI Secure Digital Card Reader Controller [1524:0550] (rev 01)
[17:46] <genii> Qwertyi: In this case the 1524:0550 is the useful bit :)
[17:46] <Qwertyi> I didn't find 8086:1234
[17:46] <Qwertyi> Is it? That's nice to hear :)
[17:47] <christophe__> Qwertyi: try lspci -vvnn, it gives more detail
[17:47] <genii> Qwertyi: Looks like this is a known bug :(    https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/303844
[17:47] <genii> Qwertyi: Heh, 8086:1234 was an example...8086 is ironic Intel Vendor code actually
[17:48] <Qwertyi> Oh.
[17:48] <christophe__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/303844
[17:48] <genii> christophe__: Yup
[17:48] <christophe__> genii: following the same road
[17:49] <Qwertyi> Ok, so the problem is know so I can wait some update to fix this problem?
[17:49] <christophe__> Qwertyi: sorry, but i think we are at a dead end here
[17:49] <christophe__> maybe add a comment to the bug and see if somebody picks it up again
[17:50] <lucax> when i use compiz to manage windows, cores go one to 100% of usage, is that a bug or something?
[17:50] <benbloom> still getting "missing plugin problem"
[17:51] <Qwertyi> christophe__ and genii: Thanks.
[17:52] <lucax> if someone finds a solution please le me know thruogh pm
[17:53] <Mamarok> lucax: if you are on KDE anyway, don't use compiz, use the desktop effects of Kwin
[17:53] <lucax> Compiz works better
[17:53] <lucax> Kwin looks laggy
[17:55] <Mamarok> lucax: which KDE version are you running? They work very well in 4.2.2 on Jaunty
[17:55] <lucax> im on jaunty
[17:57] <roby> hi
[17:57] <Gamarok__> hi roby
[17:58] <roby> anybody aware of a netbook remix based on kde?
[17:58] <christophe__> they are working on it
[17:58] <roby> remember aaron wrote about it some time ago..
[17:59] <roby> but I can't find any schedule yet...
[17:59] <mamr> how to restart sound, when it crashed?
[18:00] <mamr> don't know what to restart
[18:00] <christophe__> check here for an interesting plasmoid:
[18:00] <christophe__> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Netbook+Plasma+Theme?content=92433
[18:00] <mamr> tried restarting alsa, but this didn't work
[18:00] <Gamarok__> whot is it christophe__
[18:01] <christophe__> Gamarok: haven't tried it but looks interesting
[18:01] <Gamarok__> what*
[18:01] <bmunger_> can someone explain how I can update to karmic from jaunty, i know the alpha isnt out yet, but is it as simple as a modification of the apt repo list and change jaunty to karmic and then update?
[18:02] <christophe__> whot: anybody reads wheel of time (completely off topic)
[18:02] <roby> christophe__ thank you I'll give it a try...
[18:02] <christophe__> bmunger: update-manager -d
[18:02] <Mamarok> bmunger_: you really shouldn't do that
[18:03] <bmunger_> i wasnt aware the update manager can do that but awesome i will try.. and Mamarok, this isnt on my main machine but a virtual machine just to see how it is
[18:03] <roby> maybe I can try with a live usb
[18:03] <christophe__> bmunger: Mamarok is right. anyway, u need to install update-manager first
[18:04] <roby> ok guys thank you, have a nice time! bye
[18:04] <bmunger_> right its not intended for any production use.. i was just wondering how it was done for having a look.. rather bored some days and its just fun to check new things out on virtual machines
[18:04] <bmunger_> thanks
[18:04] <genii> Work, /away a while
[18:05] <christophe__> have to leave. c y around
[18:05] <Mamarok> bmunger_: so far it will not look like much, as for now it's basically a Debian Sid
[18:05] <bmunger_> christophe__: looks like update-manager is a gnome/ubuntu tool, would this cause problems with kpackagekit or anything else?
[18:05] <bmunger_> oh
[18:05] <christophe__> bmunger: no
[18:06] <christophe__> no problems or conflicts...bye
[18:06] <bmunger_> kde 4.3 beta was realeased i figured it would be included
[18:08] <Mamarok> bmunger_: not AFAIK
[18:09] <Mamarok> bmunger_: if you wnat to have a look at KDE 4.3, use Neon
[18:09] <Mamarok> want*
[18:09] <bmunger_> what is neon?
[18:10] <rolf_etter> test
[18:13] <Gamarok__> guys is there a way to make ipod touch to work on linux through virtual box or itunes with wine or anyother app
[18:14] <jason_froebe> Gamarok__ - yes, you need to attach the usb to the virtual machine.  not sure if #amarok is able to work with ipod touch/phone yet or not
[18:15] <jason_froebe> I do the same with my Zune (wireless sync)
[18:15] <BluesKaj> Gamarok__ , have you tried amarok , I heard some ppl have had success with it
[18:15] <bmunger_> I havent found much on google about Neon.. some basic references to it but no url or instructions
[18:16] <Gamarok__> Jason_froebe you are sure that i can get it to work in virtaulbox
[18:16] <Gamarok__> fyi i had no sucess with amarok
[18:18] <jason_froebe> yup - just make sure you attach the usb to the virtualbox virtual machine
[18:19] <Gamarok__> thanks man god bless you
[18:19] <jason_froebe> np
[18:27] <aziz> Hi, I have Kubuntu 9.04, hibernating used to work, but after I enlarged the swap partition it doesn't work anymore. any ideas how to debug this?
[18:27] <aziz> it just boots as normal...
[18:37] <Guest66485> hello..?
[18:37] <Mamarok> Guest66485: hi
[18:38] <dwidmann> hmm, is it me or is the version number for kde 4.2.3 not updated?
[18:38] <Mamarok> dwidmann: why that?
[18:38] <Guest66485> Hey#! this new KDE is REEEEEEeeaallly good :)))
[18:38] <Guest66485> But - with freat power came great responsibility :(
[18:39] <Mamarok> Guest66485: this is a support channel, do you have a question?
[18:39] <Guest66485> could anyone tell me how to get back the bit in the panel where the open windows are displayed back, please???
[18:39] <dwidmann> Mamarok: for example, kde4-config --version says 4.2.2
[18:39] <Guest66485> sorry Mamarok, was excited!
[18:40] <Mamarok> dwidmann: I just checked with Konqueror, it says 4.2.3
[18:40] <dwidmann> hmmm, maybe something went wrong, but I know I ran my update script before I built ... feh
[18:40] <Mamarok> Guest66485: you mean the Task Manager?
[18:41] <dwidmann> Mamarok: I think he means the pager
[18:41] <Guest66485> i think so - not the one on the right, but the one for open windows... that task man? if so I was confused, sorry - I'll try it...
[18:41] <dwidmann> maybe
[18:41] <dwidmann> going to be one of those things anyway ...
[18:42] <Guest66485> Mamarok: cheers. stress over :)
[18:43] <Mamarok> dwidmann: the pager shows you the desktops, the task manager the open tasks
[18:44] <dwidmann> Mamarok: but look more closely at the pager
[18:46] <Mamarok> dwidmann: what about the pager?
[18:46] <dwidmann> It's like a simplified mini-screenshot of the desktop, showing you what's open on each one
[18:46] <dwidmann> Though, it more or less blanks the windows
[18:48] <MushroomKingdom> Is there a way for me to upgrade from the 32bit Jaunty to the 64 bit without reformat?
[18:49]  * jason_froebe MushroomKingdom++
[18:50] <MushroomKingdom> Uh..?
[18:50] <jason_froebe> just means "important"
[18:51] <MushroomKingdom> Ok.. But is there a way?
[18:54] <jack___> !lista
[18:57]  * galvanize is now a kde convert
[18:59] <dwidmann> galvanize: that's what I like to hear
[18:59] <galvanize> :)
[19:02] <galvanize> exit
[19:07] <galvanize> what is the best mail application?
[19:07] <dwidmann> !best | galvanize
[19:07] <ubuntu> will kubuntu pack kde4.3 beta?
[19:08] <dwidmann> ubuntu: probably
[19:08] <ubuntu> probaly in 5 days orso ( I can compiled kde myself )
[19:10] <ubuntu> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu jaunty main  ( in this repo will come it ? )
[19:11] <sasa> Hallo
[19:11] <sasa> Hi Lon
[19:14] <andres__> hola
[19:14] <inma_> andres__: hola
[19:15] <andres__> que tal inma_ ?
[19:15] <andres__> inma_:  soy nuevo y no s enisiquiera que es eso
[19:16] <inma_> andres__: bien, aquí sólo en inglés, que te regañan, je je (just English here)
[19:16] <andres__> inma_: como puedo cambiar de canal?
[19:18] <Dragnslcr> !es
[19:18] <luc__> #ubuntu-fr
[19:25] <eagles0513875> anyone have any idea why i keep getting this error http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/171829/
[19:29] <wiremonk> eagles> what are you trying to build there?  Have you installed build-essential?
[19:35] <wiremonk>  <eagles0513875>  what are you trying to build there?  Have you installed build-essential?
[19:36] <inma_> Hi, anyone here plays Kyodai Mahjongg? I am looking for a very nice one for Kubuntu, similar to this: http://cynagames.com/, which I think is the most beautiful of all... The one installed on Kubuntu seems a bit ugly compared to that one...
[19:37] <ForgeAus> kubuntu's mahjongg isn't bad but its relatively featureless compared to most commercial apps
[19:37] <ForgeAus> personally I'd like to see Mahjongg wall built into it
[19:37] <ForgeAus> and a more extensive set of tile layouts...
[19:38] <ForgeAus> the KDE4 one is a pretty clean/professional looking app compared to KDE3.x versions...
[19:38] <ForgeAus> Kyodai is 3D isn't it?
[19:39] <inma_> that one, yes
[19:39] <inma_> very beautiful 3D
[19:39] <ForgeAus> I actually didn't like that one all that much
[19:39] <ForgeAus> Ultimate Mahjongg was ok... lotsa themes colourful and many tile layouts to keep you busy...
[19:40] <ForgeAus> many of those reflexive Arcade/Big Fish Games shareware majhonggs are ok, It makes KDE's slightly dissapointing
[19:41] <ForgeAus> if you really want a true 3D mahjongg I recommend Maxxjongg!
[19:41] <ForgeAus> although I'm not so sure it has a beauty component to it...
[19:42] <inma_> ForgeAus: I'll try anyway, thanks
[19:46] <afeijo> my kopete is broken :(
[19:48] <afeijo> good, it is back... just a broken theme
[19:49] <JabberWokky> My IRC doesn't work.
 it would appear that it does now ;)
[19:50] <JabberWokky> wiremonk: Nope.  I can't read what you wrote.  Darn shame.
 <drat>
[19:54] <BluesKaj> JabberWokky: how do you know what wiremonk wrote ? m :)
[19:54] <JabberWokky> BluesKaj: I'd answer you, but as my IRC is broken, I can't read the question.  Alas!
[19:55] <robwlo531> hi
[19:55] <robwlo531> I'm experiencing a KDE 3.5 start up problem on kubuntu 8.10
[19:55] <robwlo531> kubuntu was installed from CD
[19:56] <robwlo531> after logging in on KDM KDE stops loading
[19:56] <robwlo531> restarting X server and system doesn't help
[19:56] <JabberWokky> robwlo531: Well it *should* eventually.  I assume you mean it stops before it is done?
[19:56] <robwlo531> no errors in var/log/messages and Xorg.0.log
[19:56] <robwlo531> right
[19:57] <robwlo531> I'm clueless
[19:57] <robwlo531> and it bothers me a lot as it's my father in laws system and I *just* got him to use Linux
[19:57] <JabberWokky> Where does it stop?
[19:57] <robwlo531> anybody any ideas?
[19:58] <robwlo531> well thats something I can't tell
[19:58] <JabberWokky> So far, you haven't really described a problem.  "I start KDE, it starts loading, and then it finishes"
[19:58] <JabberWokky> What does it do that isn't right?
[19:59] <robwlo531> the system doesn't show the ksplash so all "I see" is, you enter your name on the login screen, enter the password, hit enter, then there's only the background of the login screen (which happens to be the same of the desktop when it's loaded)
[20:00] <robwlo531> KDE stays in this state forever, until I turn of the computer or restart X
[20:00] <robwlo531> JabberWokky: it doesn't "finish" and that's not right, right? ;-)
[20:00] <genii> 3.5.X on anything over 8.04 is unsupported anyhow
[20:01] <pushrax> hi all. does anyone know the repository kde 4.3 that was just released in beta 1 ?
[20:01] <robwlo531> well, then it's very likely not 3.5.x, it's definitely the one shipped with 8.10 on the download desktop CD, but with all updates applied
[20:02] <robwlo531> the hang up happend last weekend for the first time
[20:03] <robwlo531> being root on tty1 I stopped kdm, killed kded, removed .kde from the home dir, restartet the computer, and kde would start again
[20:03] <robwlo531> but not this tim
[20:03] <robwlo531> time
[20:05] <robwlo531> I'm wondering if KDE has written some error message in some log file, but I couldn't find such a log in ~/.kde/* nor /var/log/*
[20:05] <robwlo531> are there other places to look at?
[20:10] <beatzz> i have a usb drive thet not working
[20:13] <sheep_> welll
[20:14] <sheep_> post the output of "tail -f /var/log/messages"
[20:14] <robinr> kde also writes to ~/.xsession-errors
[20:15] <robwlo531> xsession-errors had nothing in it
[20:17] <sheep_> we plug it in, and it dose nothing
[20:17] <sheep_> what should we do?
[20:18] <omegarider> Greetings
[20:18] <hydrogen> !ati
[20:18] <rm_k> hi all
[20:18] <omegarider> I'm an utter newbie at ubuntu and looking for a bit of advice on a Flash issue, please.
[20:19] <rm_k> just wanted to note that Kubuntu 9.04's default choice of window decoration and widget themes seems really unfortunate to me
[20:19] <rm_k> (and that's putting it as mildly as I can:D)
[20:20] <hydrogen> I have a Radeon HD 3650 card.... and Kubuntu isn't wanting to install any propriatary drivers...
[20:20] <BluesKaj> omegarider:  pls describe your problem in more detail so someone can help
[20:21] <omegarider> Thank you.  Adobe's Flash site says that my flash is up and running properly.  However, I can't watch the feeds on Zero Punctuation.
[20:21] <omegarider> All I get is a white box that if I right click on it, says it is playing.
[20:21] <BluesKaj> hydrogen: . prolly becauase the available drivers are ready in the repos
[20:21] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: hmm? If they're ready.. wouldn't they be available?
[20:21] <hydrogen> (I don't really understand what you said)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> !flash | omegarider
[20:22]  * hydrogen observes that kpackagekit is horrible
[20:22] <hydrogen> though, I guess it's not much worse than adept ever was :)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> you have to choose the right driver by looking at the ati drivers listed for your card in the package manager
[20:23] <BluesKaj> hydrogen install adept , it works fine on jaunty
[20:24] <BluesKaj> hydrogen:  i agree about kpackagekit , it's awful and it's not working anyway
[20:24] <solifugus> kubuntu is installed on /dev/sdb1 -- has /boot in it.. but grub says: root (hd1,0)  doesn't exist..
[20:25] <omegarider> !gnash
[20:26] <BluesKaj> !grub | solifugus
[20:29] <ForgeAus> !grub2
[20:29] <ForgeAus> grr... uh I guess I need #Grub for that :)
[20:31] <omegarider> BluesKaj: I'm capable of playing some flash movies, but not the ones on Zero Punctuation.  I am running an x86 platform.
[20:35] <beatzz> i got a usb harddirve not telling me its there
[20:36] <beatzz> any help??
[20:36] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: adept isn't showing upas being installable..
[20:36] <BluesKaj> omegarider:  install flashplugin-nonfree , if you're using konqueror as a browser there are known probs with flash heavy sites
[20:36] <BluesKaj> hydrogen:  sudo apt-get install adept
[20:37] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: also, running jockey-kde doesn't give me any options at all
[20:37] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: "Couldn't find package adept"
[20:37] <beatzz> not showing up
[20:37] <BluesKaj> hydrogen : try synaptic
[20:38] <hydrogen> BluesKaj: that wants to install all of gnome :/
[20:38] <hydrogen> meh
[20:39] <BluesKaj> hydrogen:  also make sure you have all your debs in etc/apt/sources.list uncommented (no # In front)
[20:41] <galvanize> is it safe to remove konqueror and use firefox instead?
[20:41] <BluesKaj> hydrogen , also comment out the cdrom deb , cuz the package manger will look rhere first and ignore all other sources
[20:42] <white_pelican> is there anyt plan on making kde 4.3 beta one available, and if so, when?
[20:42] <white_pelican> any*
[20:42] <BluesKaj> no need to remove konqueror , just install FF and make it the deafault with:  sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[20:43] <galvanize> BluesKaj: I've already done that, just was wondering if it was safe to remove konqueror now or is it file to file management?
[20:43] <galvanize> vital*
[20:43] <BluesKaj> It will prolly try to remove the kde dektop
[20:43] <BluesKaj> as well
[20:43] <BluesKaj> it's vital tes
[20:43] <galvanize> BluesKaj: oh ok, i had a suspicion that it was an important component. thanks.
[20:44] <white_pelican> can someone answwer my question?
[20:44] <JabberWokky> galvanize: You should be able to.
[20:44] <BluesKaj> go ask in #kde. white_pelican
[20:44] <JabberWokky> galvanize: I just did a apt-get -s remove konqueror and it seems to not have dependencies
[20:44] <JabberWokky> galvanize: You can remove it and reinstall if you run into problems.
[20:45] <galvanize> JabberWokky: i did the same, i just thought it was a vital part to file system management.
[20:45] <JabberWokky> galvanize: Dolphin may be, or possibly neither.
[20:45] <BluesKaj> i like konq for some file management
[20:45] <white_pelican> BluesKaj, why would the kde channel tell me something kubuntu would do? 4.3 beta 1 is out already
[20:45] <white_pelican> it's been released
[20:45] <JabberWokky> BluesKaj: I use it, my wife's taken to Dolphin.
[20:45] <galvanize> JabberWokky: I think Dolphin is.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> !kde4.3
[20:46] <JabberWokky> galvanize: I think neither is *supposed* to be, as there were some issues with dolphin being required that were seen by KDE as bugs.
[20:46] <galvanize> JabberWokky: oh ok.
[20:46] <BluesKaj> white_pelican:  this not the place to ask about beta releases
[20:46] <Mamarok> white_pelican: the devs are currently busy building the first Alpha of Karmic Koala, so KDE 4.3 has to wait, just be patient
[20:46] <white_pelican> what is the right place, then?
[20:47] <BluesKaj> #kde-dev maybe
[20:47] <Mamarok> white_pelican: just be patient
[20:47] <JabberWokky> BluesKaj:  white_pelican has a point.  KDE doesn't do binaries, the distros do.
[20:47] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: I don't think they know about Kubuntu builds...
[20:47] <white_pelican> ok I will be patient
[20:47] <JabberWokky> BluesKaj: If he asks there, they *will* send him or her here.
[20:47] <BluesKaj> no matter JabberWokky , it's still in beta
[20:48] <JabberWokky> Yeah, it's not the best idea to be rushing a beta's package.  ;)
[20:48] <BluesKaj> #kubuntu+1 ?
[20:48] <white_pelican> s'ok I'm still using kde 3 in Jaunty :)
[20:48] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: this channel is for support of all releases till Jaunty included, and KDE 4.3 might well end up in the backports, so it's the right channel to ask
[20:48] <Mamarok> white_pelican: why would you do that?
[20:48] <JabberWokky> white_pelican: You should be aware that some things are non-operational in the beta because they don't compile right now.
[20:49] <Mamarok> KDE 4.2.2. works fine here, no need to be that nostalgic :)
[20:49] <white_pelican> I think I'll wait till kde 7 :)
[20:49] <BluesKaj> Mamarok: ok then answer him :)
[20:49] <JabberWokky> KDE 4.2.3, off the KDE ppa.  Works great.
[20:49] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: I did
[20:49] <JabberWokky> (Kubuntu ppa, that is)
[20:49] <white_pelican> I already have 4.2.3
[20:49] <white_pelican> so far so good
[20:50] <galvanize> what do you use for video playback?
[20:50] <white_pelican> still can't switch to kde 4 though
[20:50] <Mamarok> white_pelican: then be patient, I'm sure you haven't explored all possibilities
[20:50] <white_pelican> ok
[20:50] <Mamarok> white_pelican: please don't talk in riddles, why can't you use it that a 4.3 beta would solve in your opinion?
[20:51] <JabberWokky> galvanize: Personally, I use either MPlayer or smplayer (because of the playlists... I even use it to listen to the radio and podcasts)
[20:51] <hydrogen> anyone happen to know where `keychain` went in 9.04?
[20:51] <galvanize> JabberWokky: thanks for the info.
[20:51] <Laeborg> !playonlinux
[20:51] <hydrogen> nvm, it appeared
[20:52] <Mamarok> hydrogen: what 'keychain' do you mean?
[20:52] <dario_> Il mio nome è Dario e ho ventidue anni.
[20:52] <dario_> My name is Dario and I am twenty-two years old.
[20:52] <desu> on my install of jaunty, mplayer hangs up after ~0.3s if the audio is in MP3 format... passing -ac as something invalid makes the video work just fine... any idea why this is happening?
[20:52] <hydrogen> the "keychain" program
[20:52] <hydrogen> it appeared
[20:52] <Mamarok> !it | dario_
[20:53] <Mamarok> dario_: also, this is no dating channel, so no need to give your age :)
[20:53] <Mamarok> Laeborg: what are you looking for?
[20:53] <dario_> I can speak English as well.
[20:53] <Mamarok> hydrogen: you mean kgpg?
[20:53] <hydrogen> no
[20:53] <hydrogen> I mean keychain :)
[20:53] <hydrogen> don't worry
[20:53] <hydrogen> I solved it
[20:53] <JabberWokky> galvanize: I'm not sure how techie you are... mplayer itself is a fairly raw program that plays nearly every format, and there are loads of front ends for it.  SMplayer is a nice front end (IMO).  (And there are plenty out there, worth playing with them until you find one you like)
[20:54] <BluesKaj> galvanize:  personally I'd dump Dolphin in favour of Konqueror as a file manager ...but konq as a browser is a bit "past it" now.
[20:54] <galvanize> JabberWokky: sounds interesting, I was using vlc on gnome and liked it a lot.
[20:55] <galvanize> BluesKaj: I like Dolphin. Konqueror just wasn't for me.
[20:55] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: you do know that Konqueror uses Dolphin to browse files in KDE 4, do you?
[20:55] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: This is most *certainly* a dating channel.  I see timestamps to the left of everybody's comments... it's not dating the chat for you?  ;P
[20:55] <dario_> My onboard soundcard does not work on Ubuntu. I have tried every troubleshooting procedure I could find on the Internet but it stops playing sound every now and then. I am frustated.
[20:56] <Mamarok> dario_: what card do you have?
[20:56] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Not quite.  The file browser is loaded into either.  It's like saying Kate uses Kwrite to edit.
[20:56] <dario_> Mamarok, it is an AC97 onboard sound card.
[20:56] <Mamarok> dario_: that should work, definitely
[20:56] <BluesKaj> Mamarok:  I dumped dolphin in previous versions of kde4 without any probs
[20:56] <Mamarok> dario_: did you just say you use Ubuntu? with Gnome?
[20:57] <mkargar> hello
[20:57] <dario_> Mamarok, it is correctly identified but the sound hangs every now and then. I have used Ubuntu with Gnome. I am using Kubuntu at the moment.
[20:57] <mkargar> how to install kde 4.3 beta1 in kubuntu 9.04?
[20:58] <JabberWokky> BluesKaj: It's okay.  There's a bit of a confusion as the file browsing code is in the Dolphin source tree... but you don't need Dolphin, you just need that code to be loaded by any app, like Konqueror... or any other app that has a Save As... dialog, IIRC.
[20:58] <Dragnslcr> mkargar- very carefully
[20:58] <Mamarok> dario_: that might be the problem, as Pulseudio tends to be a bit of a problem with KDE...
[20:59] <Mamarok> dario_: there is a nice wiki page for sound troubleshooting:
[20:59] <Mamarok> !sound | dario_
[20:59] <hydrogen> was there a metapackage for the needed kde -devel packages (to compile  kde software)
[20:59] <mkargar> Dragnslcr:0|0
[21:00] <Mamarok> mkargar: there are no packages for KDE 4.3 yet in Kubuntu, be patient, it only just came out, the distributions still have to package it, and that's a lot of work
[21:00] <JabberWokky> Oh!  That reminds me about a problem that I have,  The first few seconds of a new sound stream has a repeating stutter in it every now and then.  I.e., if a new sound stream pops up after a long period of silence, I get a "Max Headroom" effect.
[21:00] <Mamarok> hydrogen: build-essentials and kde-devel
[21:00] <JabberWokky> So minor, I haven't really bothered to look into it, but I'm about 90% sure it's Pulseaudio.
[21:00] <Laeborg> Mamarok: I just wanted to see what ubottu had to say about PlayOnLinux :P
[21:01] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: which mediaplayer?
[21:01] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: All of them.
[21:01] <dario_> I read all of it, Mamarok but I did not manage to address the issue. Thank you anyway.
[21:01] <mkargar> Mamarok:ok!
[21:01] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: do you use Xine?
[21:01] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Mplayer, sox, etc.
[21:01] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Nope.
[21:02] <Mamarok> dario_: did you run the troubleshooting script and send it as advised on the wiki?
[21:02] <mkargar> another question!how to download Youtube clip by Kget!?
[21:02] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: you should, gstreamer is buggy
[21:02] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: alsaplay, I think as well...  I have a chime play when unison finishes my daily backup.
[21:02] <mkargar> youtube script not work in kget!
[21:02] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Ah, you mean xine as a audio backend?
[21:02] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: I thought pulseaudio was the new 9.04 backend.
[21:02] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: yes, phonon-backend-xine
[21:03] <Mamarok> no!!!!
[21:03] <Mamarok> pulseudio si not used in KDE at all, and it tends to make things worse
[21:03] <Mamarok> why add pulseaudio if alsa already handles things fine...
[21:03] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: I did a format, reinstall, restored my data, and it -- by default, without my changing any settings -- uses pulseaudio.
[21:03] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Right off the Kubuntu 9.04 DVD.
[21:03] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: yeah, but that's where the problems started
[21:04] <Mamarok> remove pulseaudio, remove the phonodevicesrc and .asoundconf and start KDE again
[21:04] <mkargar> youtube script not work in kget!
[21:04] <mkargar> how to download Youtube clip by Kget!?
[21:04] <JabberWokky> I have no .asoundconf
[21:05] <dario_> Mamarok, PulseAudio is not used in KDE. That is why I tried Kubuntu but it has changed nothing at all. By the way, I do not see any troubleshooting script in the wiki.
[21:05] <Mamarok> pulseaudio is responsible for almost all "no sound in Amarok in Kubuntu" reports we have received so far
[21:05] <JabberWokky> mkargar: Install "clive".
[21:05] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: I don't use Amarok, and sound is working fine other than the occasional stutter a couple times a day.
[21:06] <dario_> I wish to stress that I DO have sound, but it "hangs" quite often, even if I am not doing anything besides playing a video or a song.
[21:06] <JabberWokky> I'm kind of hesitant to change the backend from the default on a working system.
[21:06] <mkargar> JabberWokky:very very thx!i installed it!it's written by Python!
[21:07] <Mamarok> dario_: you did everything suggested here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting ?
[21:07] <dario_> Yes, I did.
[21:07] <JabberWokky> I *have* however, copy/pasted your suggestion into my scratch.txt should an update cause my sound to not function.  I do thank you for the heads up.
[21:07] <dario_> Even more, I did everything they said in other troubleshooting guides. Nothing changed.
[21:07] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: Xine is the default in KDE, no reason to use gstreamer just because the packagers of the underlying stuff ship it
[21:08] <tsukasa_> hello everyone
[21:08] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: and gstreamer has improved a lot, it might well be usable one day :)
[21:08] <Mamarok> dario_: can you tell when these sound outages happen?
[21:09] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: No reason to change today it if it works for me now.  As I said, I did yank all your suggestions as a "well, here's what to do if sounds starts getting messed up for me"
[21:09] <tsukasa_> i new here if i can get some help with this V of kubuntu please
[21:09] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: you are welcome :)
[21:09] <Mamarok> !ask | tsukasa_
[21:11] <dario_> They happen in a definitely random fashion. For instance, while playing a video or a song, no matter the program I use (Totem, VLC Media Player, Kaffeine) nor the sound layer used (ALSA, OSS, PulseAudio).
[21:12] <dario_> I did not have this problem in Windows.
[21:12] <Mamarok> dario_: sounds very difficult to trace...
[21:13] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Of course, I use ion3 as a WM, ditch plasma, have most of my action scripted via bash/qdbus calls fired off using funky key combos, and have otherwise mangled my desktop to what I like, so I get hesitant about messing with yet more things *underneath* that.  Makes it hard to debug my own changes.   :)
[21:13] <Mamarok> dario_: flashplayer could be a problem also...
[21:13] <dario_> I guess so, Mamarok.
[21:13] <tsukasa_> how i make kubuntu search for packets to update software
[21:14] <Dragnslcr> tsukasa_- you should get update notifications automatically
[21:14] <Mamarok> JabberWokky: you should use Debian, not sure Ubuntu and variants are really made for Ion WM, even less use KDE 4 if you don't want to use plasma
[21:14] <dario_> Flash Player? I tought it did not have anything to do with the other applications.
[21:14] <Dragnslcr> tsukasa_- you'll see a small gear icon down in the system tray
[21:15] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: KDE4 and Ion3 work wonderfully together.  KDElibs are delightfully X standards compliant, which is what Ion3 needs.
[21:15] <Mamarok> dario_: well, flash uses the soundcard, no?
[21:15] <dario_> Yes, it does.
[21:15] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Both allow you to script internal actions from the commandline and in any scripting lanaguge with an exec() call.  Nice.
[21:15] <Mamarok> dario_: hence it can bug your sound...
[21:16] <dario_> Even if I am not using Flash?
[21:16] <JabberWokky> Mamarok: Although I must admit I pinned my Ion3 awhile back.
[21:17] <Mamarok> dario_: if you have an open browser ...
[21:18] <dario_> I have read of an "evil" Flash Player package which screws up the whole sound system but I did not install it.
[21:19] <Mamarok> dario_: didn't read that correctly, then, sry :)
[21:19] <afeijo> I have no sound when I access youtube, damn.  Musics and videos (kaffeine) works
[21:19] <dario_> No problem.
[21:20] <Mamarok> afeijo: watch your language...
[21:20] <dario_> "Damn" is not curse language!
[21:20] <afeijo> Mamarok: sorry, 'damn' is bad?
[21:20]  * afeijo agree with dario_
[21:21] <Mamarok> afeijo: there are guidelines for K/X/Ubuntu channels, yes
[21:21] <dario_> Strict guidelines, I guess.
[21:21] <afeijo> ok
[21:22] <Mamarok> afeijo: you of course need flash for watching videos in youtube, so your problem might be different
[21:22] <dario_> I do not see any operator in this channel. Strange.
[21:22] <Mamarok> dario_: don't worry, there are here, just not marked as such :)
[21:22] <afeijo> Mamarok: flash works, never saw it having problems with sound
[21:22] <dario_> Oh. Okay.
[21:23] <BluesKaj> which browser dario ?
[21:23] <afeijo> dario_: the op mark can be a pain
[21:23] <dario_> I understand, afeijo.
[21:23] <dario_> I use Opera, BluesKaj.
[21:23] <Mamarok> ok, I'm off for tonight, gn8 all
[21:23] <dario_> Bye bye, Mamarok.-
[21:25]  * genii sips
[21:25] <BluesKaj> hmm , dunno if flashplugin-nonfree works with Opera , I see it works with FF and Konq now
[21:26] <mmo|> anyone know if it possible (or feasible) to switch to the gnome bluetooth in kubuntu 9.04...because the standard bluetooth is not working at all for me
[21:26] <dario_> Opera automatically provides the user with the download page for the plugin. I've used that.
[21:29] <ForgeAus> is kubuntu grub still or grub2 by default now?
[21:30] <Dragnslcr> grub --version says 0.97, if that helps
[21:39] <Dragnslcr> I hope Quassel can fix that massive delay when switching to a high-traffic channel
[21:39] <mostafa> السلام عليكم
[21:41] <genii> !eg
[21:41] <genii> Hm.
[21:42] <eagles0513875> !ar
[21:42] <mostafa> http://hanenbo.blogspot.com/
[21:42] <eagles0513875> O_O
[21:42] <mostafa> http://hanenbo.blogspot.com/
[21:42] <eagles0513875> mostafa: you looking for the arabic channel right
[21:42] <mostafa> http://hanenbo.blogspot.com/
[21:43] <eagles0513875> please stop spamming the channel wiht the link
[21:43] <eagles0513875> and that is in arabic so not for this channel
[21:43] <mostafa> http://hanenbo.blogspot.com/
[21:43] <eagles0513875> genii: you an op
[21:44] <genii> mostafa: Please stop with the links.
[21:44] <eagles0513875> genii: he isnt understanding us
[21:44] <genii> eagles0513875: He's not from argentina, incidentally but from Egypt
[21:44] <eagles0513875> genii: thought that was the bot command for arabic
[21:45] <genii> !rabic | mostafa
[21:45] <genii> !arabic | mostafa
[21:45] <JabberWokky> There should be an !op like thing for !callsomebody-languagecode  :)
[21:45] <eagles0513875> genii: O_O interesting
[21:45] <alexandre> ola
[21:45] <BluesKaj> yup, mostafa is in cairo
[21:46] <kaddi> hello :)
[21:46] <JabberWokky> !hi | kaddi
[21:47] <BluesKaj> hey kaddi, WB
[21:49] <desu> there seems to be some problem with ffmpeg in my jaunty install. mplayer pauses indefinitely when i try to play a video (seeking etc. still works, but no sound). however, if i switch off audio, it works fine... any idea why this is happening?
[21:49] <desu> dragon player works fine, btw...
[21:51] <BluesKaj> desu install libxine1-ffmpeg
[21:51] <desu> BluesKaj: it's already installed
[21:51] <BluesKaj> and of course kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:51] <desu> so are they
[21:55] <BluesKaj> desu, try : reinstall mplayer and mencoder
[21:55] <desu> did that already :\
[21:57] <yamishi> hi
[21:58] <BluesKaj> desu, perhaps it's the video wrapper or codec is not coded properly ,not the player or ffmpeg itself
[21:59] <stephans> soooooo.... the question is... when I browse to a smb share in kubuntu, and try to launch a movie... why does it insist on copying the whole think locally b4 playing?!? This violates an expectation set by: Windows XP, 2000, 98, 95, Vista, 7, 2003, 2008, MAC OS 10, Gnome etc.... can this behavior be corrected?
[21:59] <desu> i've tried with quite a few videos and codecs, and it all seems to booil down to ffmpeg :/
[21:59] <yamishi> does anyone plays mabinogi in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[21:59] <BluesKaj> !hi | yamishi
[22:02] <yamishi>  does anyone plays mabinogi in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[22:03] <BluesKaj> !patience | yamishi
[22:05] <BluesKaj> desu, one more thing , install w32codecs to play windows media stuff as well
[22:05] <desu> did that already :\
[22:06] <BluesKaj> all movies behave this way or just some, desu ?
[22:06] <swatto> hello all
[22:07] <BluesKaj> !hi | swatto
[22:08] <swatto> Is anyone using Kubuntu 9.04 please because I have a question?
[22:09] <BluesKaj> !ask | swatto
[22:09] <JabberWokky> !ask | swatto
[22:10] <swatto> Well I have got Vuze installed which I did manually but can only run it from the terminal, I would like to add it to the KMenu but unsure of how to do it
[22:10] <desu> BluesKaj: it seems the problem is not with ffmpeg...
[22:10] <BluesKaj> oh one more to consider desu, if you haven't already , libdvdcss2
[22:10] <desu> when i run mplayer as root, it works perfectly okay...
[22:10] <desu> i already have that, too :P
[22:11] <desu> however, mplayer needing root to work is kinda odd...
[22:12] <trappist> desu: stuff like that sometimes happens if you run it the *first time* as root, leaving config files and stuff root-owned
[22:12] <trappist> that may not be your problem, but it's worth looking at
[22:12] <desu> never ran it as root before this
[22:12] <Dragnslcr> swatto- if you right-click the K, there should be an option for the menu editor
[22:12] <BluesKaj> desu, you prolly installed the source code right ? use dpkg -r  filename , and use the package manager to reinstall
[22:12] <JabberWokky> desu: Try running: ls -al "$HOME" |grep root
[22:13] <desu> drwxr-xr-x  4 root  root        4096 2009-05-10 12:01 ../
[22:13] <desu> that's it..
[22:13] <swatto> Thankyou Dragnslcr :)
[22:13] <JabberWokky> desu: Okay, then your problem isn't that. :)
[22:13] <desu> and, i bet /home is indeed supposed to be root-owned :P
[22:13] <Dragnslcr> No problem
[22:15] <swatto> hmm just trying to think where to link the Vuze application to
[22:17] <swatto> How can I find out what it points to when I type vuze in the terminal? as I think I need to add this to the shortcut
[22:17] <Walzmyn> I upgraded to 9.04 over the weekend. Quickly I began experiencing file system errors. I reinstalled 4 times and kept getting the errors. I have installed Xbuntu now and it's working fine. Anybody know of KDE issues with the file system?
[22:18] <desu> swatto: which vuze
[22:18] <swatto> Ahh think I have done it, I put /usr/bin/azureus in the command and in the work path I put /usr/share/vuze
[22:18] <desu> Walzmyn: can you elaborate a bit? what kind of errors? and which filesystem did you format it as?
[22:19] <swatto> It is vuze 4.2
[22:19] <desu> swatto: no, i meant, the command "which vuze"
[22:20] <swatto> ahh ok sorry - ive got experience with windows and computers in general but linux is completely new to me, thankyou desu
[22:20] <desu> np, lol
[22:21] <Walzmyn> desu on origional update it was still EXT3, formatted to EXT4 when i reinstalled....
[22:21] <swatto> must admit im liking it alot though - loads to get used to, might buy a book
[22:22] <desu> Walzmyn: what kind of errors were you getting?
[22:22] <Walzmyn> desu I don't know how to describe the errors. Apps would stop working and when i would reboot i would be told I needed to fsck - one time it would be / the next it would be /home - and there would be a thousand errors
[22:23] <Walzmyn> swatto,  don't buy a book, use google. There's much more online than any book can offer
[22:23] <desu> Walzmyn: i see...
[22:23] <Walzmyn> desu one bit that might be important, first 3 times I immediatly added the PPA for the 4.2.3 update - the errors came in about an hour
[22:24] <Walzmyn> desu 4th time, i did not use that PPA and the errors took 24 hours to show up
[22:24] <swatto> I like reading though - what ill probably do is buy a book (anyone got any good recommendations please) and read it through once to get a general idea of the whole os
[22:24]  * desu has no idea :/
[22:24] <Walzmyn> swatto there's a linux for dummyies book. Never read it so i don't know if its any good or not, but the series has merit
[22:25] <Walzmyn> desu I'm thinking I need to report all this. Do you know where I should?
[22:25] <desu> !bugs
[22:25] <desu> ^^^^ there
[22:26] <Walzmyn> ah, thankyeverymuch
[22:26] <Walzmyn> nothing against XFCE but man I want KDE back
[22:26] <desu>  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :P
[22:27] <CQ2> hello, i just upgraded to jaunty and now I don't get a graphical login anymore... any ideas?
[22:27] <Walzmyn> no, i'll do a reintstall. I want it pure
[22:28] <swatto> If I have installed Vuze manually how would I uninstall it completely if it isnt listed as installed in SPM
[22:29] <desu> swatto: how did you install it?
[22:29] <swatto> I unpacked the tar file and followed some instructions to move the folder into /usr/bin and updated a config file
[22:31] <swatto> would just deleting the folder/files do the trick or would i need to use a command in terminal?
[22:37] <desu> swatto: reverse everything that the instructions made you do
[22:39] <swatto> just deleting the folders should do the trick then I think - just a bit confused as to how linux handles installed apps
[22:39] <brunoqc> I added the eclipse's ppa (https://launchpad.net/~eclipse-team/+archive/ppa) but I don't see the 3.4 version with apt and kpackage, only the old 3.2 version. Is there a way to find out what went wrong?
[22:39] <Guest65463> Hi
[22:40] <gsteinert> hey, im getting errors installing amarok
[22:40] <gsteinert>  /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qmetatype.h:189: error: ‘qt_metatype_id’ is not a member of ‘QMetaTypeId<QList<int> >
[22:41] <gsteinert> seems to be a qt problem
[22:41] <swatto> Hmm whats the terminal command to delete a folder in a directory?
[22:41] <gsteinert> im using the qt packages from the kubuntu repo
[22:41] <gsteinert> seems to be an issue with the package rather than qt
[22:42] <brunoqc> swatto: to delete a folder/directory from the terminal, the command is : rm -rf folder_name
[22:42] <swatto> thankyou :)
[22:43] <luminoso> with kubuntu 9.04 + amarok and scanning music over cifs i'm having this error: Taglib: flac file scan - flac stream not found. any ideia to solve?
[22:43] <brunoqc> swatto: you're welcome
[22:46] <swatto> hmm now im trying to remove a file in the /usr/bin directory and it is saying it doesnt exit
[22:46] <swatto> exist*
[22:47] <brunoqc> swatto: why do you want to remove a file in /usr/bin ?
[22:47] <luminoso> anyone? please?
[22:48] <luminoso> should i go to somehere else ask this?
[22:48] <swatto> because im trying to get rid of Vuze - the only way I can do it is to remove the stuff that I put there manually, there is a file that i put in /usr/bin called azureus that I want deleted
[22:48] <luminoso> somewhere
[22:48] <gsteinert> luminoso: try #amarok
[22:48] <gsteinert> luminoso: also, try to be more patient
[22:48] <luminoso> ty
[22:49] <brunoqc> swatto: maybe you put it in /usr/local/bin . or you can try to find it with : find /usr -name azureus
[22:50] <swatto> Thankyou brunoqc, the search came up with: /usr/bin/azureus
[22:51] <gsteinert> swatto: whereis is a good command if you want to search your various PATH dirs
[22:51] <gsteinert> whereis azureus
[22:51] <swatto> I removed it using the full path: sudo rm /usr/bin/azureus
[22:51] <gsteinert> will show you where it is
[22:51] <gsteinert> as long as its in your PATH
[22:52] <swatto> thanks gsteinert, Im just wondering why I had to put the whole path in if my terminal prompt is located in the /bin directory wouldnt it just look for the file in there?
[22:52] <brunoqc> yeah he's right, whereis is better when in PATH
[22:52] <gsteinert> swatto, yeah its odd
[22:52] <brunoqc> . /bin and /usr/bin are not the same
[22:53] <gsteinert> ah yeah, i missed that bit =$
[22:53] <swatto> ahh ok I see, thanks for your help I best be off - work tommorow, night all
[22:53] <gsteinert> night swatto
[22:54] <brunoqc> night
[22:57] <susana_> hi
[22:57] <_Whipper> hi
[22:57] <susana_> what kind of program is this
[22:57] <gsteinert> kubuntu?
[22:57] <susana_> I just downloaded ubuntu and this came up to try
[22:58] <_Whipper> susana_: u mean irc?
[22:58] <susana_> yes
[22:58] <susana_> it's cool
[22:58] <luminoso> i removed amarok from the tray. how do i restore? i already disabled and enabled it on amarok options. no effect
[22:58] <susana_> it's like a chat room
[22:58] <gsteinert> susana_: yeah, exactly
[22:58] <_Whipper> susana_: oh, they've put in by default now ?-)
[22:58] <susana_> that is cool
[22:59] <gsteinert> susana_: freenode is used mostly for technical help
[22:59] <susana_> I thought it was for programing
[22:59] <gsteinert> susana_: ill find you some servers if you just want to chat =)
[22:59] <_Whipper> freenode has a lot more too than just tech. support.. :)
[22:59] <susana_> it's fine
[22:59] <susana_> but anyway l love ubuntu
[22:59] <gsteinert> luminoso: again, try #amarok
[23:00] <brunoqc> freenode is also very popular for developers
[23:00] <susana_> where are chating from
[23:00] <luminoso> gsteinert, lol they are inactive
[23:00] <susana_> iam from ny state
[23:01] <susana_> i have the new upgraded ubuntu and I love it
[23:01]  * _Whipper from FI, and testing out E17, and newest Kubuntu..
[23:01] <Lillymon> What do I do when the upgrade tool downloads all of the updates, starts to install them, and immediately quits? Because that's what it just did. Twice.
[23:02] <Lillymon> I now have my repositories changed from Hardy to Jaunty (yes, it's an 8.04 to 9.04 thing) and no idea what to do next.
[23:02] <susana_> restart your computer
[23:03] <Lillymon> It didn't install anything, won't rebooting just screw it all up?
[23:03] <susana_> and do more downloads
[23:03] <Lillymon> It's finished downloaded, it moved onto the install process.
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> Lillymon- if the apt sources are already changed, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade should get all of the packages updated
[23:03] <susana_> maybe you have too many of the same program installed
[23:03] <Dragnslcr> And doing those from a terminal might show more error details
[23:03] <susana_> delet some of them
[23:04] <Lillymon> susana_: Too many of what? How the hell should I know what program it's complaining about?
[23:05] <susana_> restart your computert on it ownr and normaly you have choose a program or sta
[23:05] <Lillymon> Well I guess I'll try the apt-get update and upgrade thing, which I do hope will actually work.
[23:05] <susana_> and use the wire it's faster
[23:05] <Lillymon> You are making no sense to me.
[23:05] <susana_> inter net connection
[23:06] <susana_> when downloading
[23:06] <Dragnslcr> Lillymon- not making any sense to me, either
[23:06] <Lillymon> I'm using a wired ethernet connection to a 6Mbit ASDL line. I could not possibly be more direct.
[23:06] <susana_> ohn than you must have too much crap
[23:06] <groscheck> haha
[23:06] <groscheck> elo
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> Lillymon- apt-get upgrade from a terminal might tell you exactly which package it's dying on
[23:07] <groscheck> jest ktos z PL?
[23:07] <groscheck> kurwa
[23:07] <Dragnslcr> !pl
[23:07] <susana_> go on the add remove console
[23:07] <groscheck> okej
[23:08] <Lillymon> Well, here goes nothing...
[23:08] <susana_> be postive my system couldn't read ubuntu and had to install it
[23:08] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, upgrading from 8.04 to 9.04 is very iffy if not dangerous
[23:09] <susana_> no get rid of old programs that are absolet
[23:09] <BluesKaj> Lillymon,, upgrading from 8.04 to 9.04 is very iffy if not dangerous
[23:09] <Lillymon> Yeah, I have a second system waiting to rescue this one.
[23:09] <Lillymon> I figure the worst that can happen is that I screw up root, and I have a separate /home, so why not at least try it?
[23:09] <gsteinert> Lillymon: would a fresh install be an easier idea?
[23:09] <Dragnslcr> BluesKaj- true, but s/he mentioned the upgrade tool, so I figured it did the 8.04->8.10->9.04 magic for you
[23:09] <BluesKaj> Lillymon, you shuol upgrade to 8.10 first then to 9.04 if you are doing by the internet
[23:09] <brunoqc> Lillymon: did you mean the update tool quit after updating to Jaunty or everytime it install new packages?
[23:09] <Lillymon> I can fresh upgrade if this doesn't work.
[23:10] <ricardoes> alguien habla español
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> !es | ricardoes
[23:10] <ricardoes> vale
[23:10] <BluesKaj> upgrade tool , heh...good luck
[23:10] <Lillymon> I would say it probably won't work, but I like adventure.
[23:10] <Lillymon> brunoqc: It quits immediately after trying to install the first new packaged.
[23:11] <BluesKaj> go buy some rockyroad
[23:11] <ForgeAus> grr is there no linux software that can create a subsystem from another distro?... (aside from VMWare, preferably one that uses local filesystem instead, just its own separate directory for userland/etc......)
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> ForgeAus- kvm, virtualbox, etc.
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> There are plenty of virtual machine programs
[23:12] <ForgeAus> no virtualbox afaik uses a hardfile/virtual disk just like vmware
[23:12] <Lillymon> This actually seems to be doing a lot of the same stuff the other system did when I was upgrading from Ubuntu 8.10 to 9.04.
[23:12] <ForgeAus> Kvm my machine can't do no Intel/Amd VT support in the processor on this one
[23:13] <Lillymon> Except with more questions, which I answered with the default because I didn't understand them.
[23:13] <Lillymon> Why am I suddenly feeling more relaxed now?
[23:14] <ForgeAus> I already have an ext3 partition that I'm using... (I don't expect my say, for example Mandriva subsystem to be in / tho, I'd have to make a /mandriva or something)
[23:14] <gsteinert> Lillymon: because the cammand line is strangely relaxing =P
[23:14] <gsteinert> *command
[23:14] <Dragnslcr> ForgeAus- I don't think any virtual machines can use a specific directory from a filesystem as its root. Seems like that wouldn't be a very good idea
[23:15] <ForgeAus> Dragnslc I wasn't asking for a virtual machine tho, just a subsystem
[23:15] <maco> wouldnt that just be a chroot?
[23:15] <Dragnslcr> ForgeAus- a subsystem to do what?
[23:15] <ForgeAus> maco, hows that work?
[23:15] <ForgeAus> to install a different distro to...
[23:15] <Dragnslcr> maco- yeah, I was wondering if he meant chroot and/or jails
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> ForgeAus- that would be a virtual machine
[23:16] <ForgeAus> jails?
[23:16] <maco> you can definitely chroot other distros
[23:16] <gsteinert> ForgeAus: dont quote me on this, but i think with a few tweaks to the install procedure (changing the root in grub perhaps) you can install gentoo into a subfolder within your existing filesystem
[23:16] <gsteinert> if thats what you were after
[23:16] <maco> ive seen stuff on google for making a debian chroot inside ubuntu and things like that
[23:16] <ForgeAus> well the linux kernel is the same for them all isn't it?
[23:16] <maco> no
[23:16] <snarkster> do any of you know if facial recognition has become a reality for security in linux?
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> Not necessarily
[23:16] <ForgeAus> gsteiner you can install a gentoo prefix on just about anything anyway...
[23:17] <maco> they all use different versions with different patches and their higher level stuff is compiled with certain expectations for the kerne
[23:17] <maco> *kernel
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> And if I remember correctly, even with chroot or jails, you can't have more than one operating system running at a time
[23:17] <ForgeAus> that one I'm not worried about (in fact I don't even want one, besides gentoo prefixes are basically neutered anyway)
[23:17] <maco> like fedora's X will expect kernel modesetting, while ubuntu's won't
[23:17] <Dragnslcr> Seems to me that a VM would be a lot easier to deal with than a jail
[23:18] <Dragnslcr> Or just straight dual-booting
[23:18] <ForgeAus> Dragonslcr I don't want the whole operating system, just its own individual package management system and a reasonably working distro subsystem
[23:18] <maco> um...you can install rpm onto ubuntu...
[23:18] <ForgeAus> yeah I guess you could use grub and just change the root ...
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, I have no idea what "distro subsystem" could possibly mean
[23:19] <maco> me neither
[23:19] <ForgeAus> yeah I know but you can't necessarily install rpm packages into ubuntu...
[23:19] <maco> youve got to have the distro or not the distro
[23:19] <jhutchins_wk> ForgeAus: alien.
[23:19] <maco> i dont think you can have half of it
[23:19] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, you could try alien if you really need to
[23:19] <ForgeAus> (the version differences with fedora/mandriva/whatever are probably comepletely different
[23:19] <maco> jhutchins# that produces debs that MAY work IF theyre very simple packages
[23:19] <ForgeAus> alien isn't recommended...
[23:20] <jhutchins_wk> I totaled a machine installing Mandriva RPM's on a RedHat box - and that was back when Mandriva first forked.
[23:20] <maco> just like how debian debs on ubuntu arent recommended
[23:20] <ForgeAus> I know simple slackware binaries work directly in Kubuntu if you manually extract them from the .tgz
[23:20] <maco> theyre source compatible, not binary compatible
[23:20] <jhutchins_wk> I've actually used alien on kubuntu successfully.
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> We had a machine at work that was some bizarre Frankenstein of Ubuntu with Debian repositories
[23:20] <ForgeAus> source slackware packages don't work...
[23:20] <maco> jhutchins# sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, and sometimes it appears to have worked
[23:20] <maco> the latter is the worst situation
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> I've had alien work on a couple packages, but it's definitely not guaranteed to work
[23:21] <ForgeAus> I'd rather not mess up my kubuntu with packages from other distros tho, I'd rather run them in their own userland
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> ForgeAus- that's what virtual machines are for
[23:21] <ForgeAus> Dragnslcr why do I need a complete virtual machine tho?
[23:21] <Dragnslcr> Because that's what you're trying to do
[23:22] <ForgeAus> It means making a hardfile (aka virtual disk) and way too much redundancy...
[23:22] <Dragnslcr> You can't have more than one operating system running at the same time. That just isn't how operating systems work
[23:22] <ForgeAus> I already use VMware/Qemu/VirtualBox for stuff
[23:22] <ForgeAus> I know I could do this that way, but I was hoping for a more, convenient solution (ie no need to reboot, etc)
[23:23] <Dragnslcr> Trying to mix packages from multiple Linux distributions is going to break things
[23:23] <ForgeAus> I don't want the WHOLE OS running....
[23:23] <ForgeAus> Dragnslcr tahts why I wanna put it in its own directory
[23:23] <ForgeAus> so it uses say /mandriva as its root
[23:23] <ForgeAus> or /zenwalk or whatever
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> You can try installing stuff in a chroot, but there's no guarantee that the operating system will be able to run the programs
[23:24] <ForgeAus> ok why would that be a problem?
[23:24] <Dragnslcr> Programs may make assumptions about the OS that they're running on
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> Well, I should say, programs from distribution packages
[23:25] <Dragnslcr> Compiling them from source would probably work
[23:26] <ForgeAus> yeah, I get that, but if its a complete (minus whatever redundancy I can achieve) subsystem of that OS why should it matter?
[23:26] <maco> you know subsystem means like "the audio stack" or "graphics" or whatever, right?
[23:26] <maco> i assume you want more than a single system
[23:26] <maco> *single subsystem
[23:26] <maco> cuz just having sound drivers isnt gonna run
[23:27] <ForgeAus> well in the windows world there is Interix and stuff like Andlinux or Cygwin which are all various methods of having a posix subsystem for Windows...
[23:27] <ForgeAus> (AndLinux uses a hardfile/virtual Drive too essentially .. but not quite the same as a virtual machine... kinda more like a linux emulator I guess... )
[23:28] <Dragnslcr> Well, cygwin is essentially an emulator
[23:28] <ForgeAus> Cygwin I'm no fan of, and Interix (From Microsoft themselves) is quite spartan... but you can install a gentoo prefix on that which essentially is a gentoo subsystem for it...
[23:28] <snarkster> cygwin kicks butt
[23:28] <ForgeAus> yeah cygwin is kinda like an emulator...
[23:29] <ForgeAus> but it isn't abi compatible
[23:29] <snarkster> never had any problems with cygwin
[23:29] <ForgeAus> (application binary interface)
[23:29] <ForgeAus> (not like wine for example)
[23:29] <snarkster> got x to work for those few apps that need a gui.. awesome idea
[23:29] <ForgeAus> I've had MANY problems with interix
[23:29] <ForgeAus> xming rox
[23:29] <ForgeAus> tried KDE via cygwin but had nothing but headaches...
[23:30] <ForgeAus> unfortunately no KDE for interix yet tho...
[23:30] <ForgeAus> AndLinux was quite nice it practiucally functioned as an embedded Kubuntu
[23:31] <ForgeAus> (also used stuff like pulseaudio or esd for sound and xming for x server etc)
[23:31] <ForgeAus> wait Cygwin has a built in X-server (same as Xming anyway... or rather the Xming one seems to be basically a fork of the Xserver from cygwin)
[23:32] <snarkster> well getting kde to work in cygwin isnt that easy, but X works just fine for sshing into a box you want gui on.. :)
[23:32] <ForgeAus> yeah snarkster, I get that, and that works...
[23:32] <snarkster> but now since I dont have any windows boxes in my house i dont need cygwin anymore
[23:33] <snarkster> yah ok Ill shutup now.
[23:33] <ForgeAus> I don't like cygwin for the most part, but yeah for ur purposes I get how its useful...
[23:34] <ForgeAus> still I'm looking more for I dunno whats UserModeLinux and/or OpenVZ?? would they do a distro subsystem?
[23:35] <snarkster> good luck
[23:35] <ForgeAus> maybe subsystem isn't the right word maybe embedded distro?
[23:36] <puddle> Hi need a client that supports mirc scripts?
[23:36] <puddle> Aliases........
[23:36] <puddle> Any ideas?
[23:36] <ForgeAus> there isnt one for linux afaik
[23:36] <ForgeAus> but you could use wine and run mirc
[23:36] <puddle> wont work
[23:36] <puddle> doesnt allow ssl
[23:36]  * Walzmyn shudders at ForgeAus 
[23:37] <puddle> Also script edditor closes when opened.....
[23:37] <ForgeAus> well you're going to have to convert your scripts to something like X-chat for example then
[23:37] <ForgeAus> thats all I can suggest...
[23:37] <puddle> how though?
[23:37] <puddle> :\
[23:37] <_Whipper> huoh.. why use mirc, when u have loads of other clients..
[23:37] <ForgeAus> uh, I'm not the person to ask that puddle
[23:37] <puddle> _Whipper,  because i need aliases scripts
[23:37] <jhutchins_wk2> What other music managers are there besides amarok?
[23:37] <puddle> Thats why
[23:38] <ign0ramus> jhutchins_wk2, songbird
[23:38] <Walzmyn> what's an alias script do?
[23:38] <ForgeAus> aliases are just macro /commands
[23:38] <_Whipper> puddle: write the scripts?
[23:38] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus, doesn't konversation have that feature?
[23:38] <ForgeAus> any client you can write a script for should have macro /commands available
[23:38] <ForgeAus> ign0ramus I wouldn't know...
[23:38] <puddle> its only alias i need
[23:38] <ForgeAus> it certainly doesn't have a cushy IDE to write them with lol
[23:38] <ForgeAus> you might want to check into KVirc...
[23:38] <ign0ramus> indeed :/
[23:39] <ForgeAus> that is a more featured irc client (not sure about scripting with/for/by it tho) its fairly mIRC-like too interface wise
[23:39] <ign0ramus> jhutchins_wk2, if you are looking because you're disappointed in amarok2, you can always still use amarok 1.4 for now...
[23:40] <_Whipper> xchat is a choise too..
[23:40] <_Whipper> not xhat for gnome that is..
[23:41] <ForgeAus> Xchat is ugly in KDE for the most part, kinda disappointing
[23:41] <_Whipper> and isnt konverstation an irc-client too..?
[23:41] <ForgeAus> yes it is
[23:41] <ign0ramus> _Whipper, yes, and they have a kde4 port available too
[23:42] <ForgeAus> kewl KDE4 konversation finally? awesome I've been waiting for that
[23:42] <_Whipper> i thought i had it somewhere.. :)
[23:42] <ForgeAus> Quassel is another IRC client
[23:42] <_Whipper> quassel i didnt like so much..
[23:43] <ForgeAus> same here
[23:43] <ForgeAus> sofar
[23:43] <Dragnslcr> Quassel is usable. Few things I'm hoping they improve, but it works well enough for me
[23:44] <thumper> my plasma just died
[23:44] <jhutchins_wk2> ign0ramus: No, I've got a new system, I thought I'd try something different.  I like Amarok just fine, only thing missing is "random fill" to grab a random playlist and fill a media.
[23:45] <thumper> what is the best way to kill it and restart it?
[23:45] <Dragnslcr> thumper- if you can, ctrl-esc to bring up the process list, find plasma in the list, select it, and press Kill Process
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> It may restart on its own when you kill the process
[23:46] <thumper> I didn't know that ctrl-esc did that :)
[23:46] <Dragnslcr> Heh, yep, it's pretty handy
[23:46] <thumper> ok, plasma killed
[23:47] <thumper> it isn't back though
[23:49] <thumper> damn it
[23:50] <thumper> ok, alt-run /usr/bin/plasma got it back
[23:54] <ubuntu> Hello!
[23:55] <gjiro_> ?
[23:56] <trappist> anybody here got an atheros ar5001 chipset?  ever since I upgraded to jaunty, mine's *really* slow.
[23:56] <ubuntu> I have problem with kde system notifications, I can't hear sounds
[23:56] <ubuntu> I am on live system now
[23:57] <ubuntu> but it was the same when I had it installed
[23:57] <ign0ramus> ubuntu, do you have PCM turned up?
[23:57] <ubuntu> I am on 9.04 kubuntu now
[23:57] <ubuntu> Yes
[23:57] <ubuntu> as I know
[23:57] <ubuntu> I will se it in mixer
[23:57] <ubuntu> Yes it is turned on
[23:57] <ubuntu> I have Live! soundcard
[23:58] <ign0ramus> ubuntu, have you tested your devices in System Settings > Multimedia?
[23:58] <ubuntu> And I can hear sounds when testing them on system settings-system notification
[23:58] <ubuntu> Player is set to kde-sound system
[23:59] <ubuntu> In multimedia I have SB Live! and Pulseaudio