[00:18] <BUGabundo> 191MiBs updates... that's going to take a while
[00:33] <BUGabundo> damn kde libs bug!!!
[00:33] <BUGabundo> I want to install stuff
[00:34] <kklimonda> :)
[00:35] <BUGabundo> not funy
[00:35] <BUGabundo> do you know how to fix it?
[00:35] <kklimonda> sorry, i don't use kde at all
[00:36] <kklimonda> do you get broken dependencies/packages held back?
[00:36] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:37] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: got a good link for kdebase-runtime
[00:37] <BUGabundo> ?
[00:37] <BUGabundo> so I can get the old one back
[00:38] <kklimonda> kdebase-runtime (4:4.2.2-1ubuntu5) ?
[00:38] <pwnguin> even the /win 13
[00:39] <BUGabundo> let me try something I always tell ppl no to
[00:39] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install -f
[00:39] <BUGabundo> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb (--unpack):
[00:39] <kklimonda> hehe
[00:39] <BUGabundo> ba
[00:40] <BUGabundo> bah
[00:40] <BUGabundo> not even -f
[00:40] <genii> BUGabundo: Can be it's corrupted. I'd rm it from archives and re-run the command
[00:40] <BUGabundo> /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[00:40] <BUGabundo> let me try
[00:41] <BUGabundo> downloading 19MiBs
[00:41] <BUGabundo> sheee
[00:42] <BUGabundo>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/oxygen/16x16/status/meeting-organizer.png', which is also in package libkdepim4
[00:42] <BUGabundo> same thing
[00:42] <BUGabundo> seems several package pack the same imabge
[00:43] <BUGabundo> let me ask on #kubuntu-devel
[00:45] <BUGabundo> known at kubuntu devs
[00:46] <kklimonda> :)
[00:46] <BUGabundo> $ sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[00:46] <BUGabundo> lol
[00:47] <BUGabundo> reading $ dpkg --force-help
[00:50] <genii> BUGabundo: --force-overwrite    likely
[00:50] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:50] <BUGabundo> (12:46:53 AM) tsimpson: you really should know this if you're running karmic..., but "sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.2.85-0ubuntu2_all.deb"
[00:50] <BUGabundo> got slapped on my hears for being a bad alpha tester
[00:50] <BUGabundo> LOL
[00:52] <kklimonda> :)
[01:03] <BUGabundo> $ sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-client
[01:04] <BUGabundo> I don't think I have any more space for another applet
[01:07] <ienorand> I wonder, is the openoffice update ever going to come though?
[01:08] <thiebaude> hi guys
[01:08] <BUGabundo> ienorand: I have it on queue to install
[01:09]  * ienorand waves ate thiebaude
[01:09] <ienorand> Oh my, what a mistype...
[01:10] <thiebaude> whats wrong with openoffice?
[01:11] <ienorand> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/X1gYca << I don't like the look of that...
[01:13] <thiebaude> yea, i see what you mean
[01:13] <thiebaude> i'll hold off on those
[01:13]  * maxb is more than a bit confused. The hal update mysteriously changed my keymap on one machine but not another
[01:24] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you got an invitation already? :)
[01:25] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:25] <BUGabundo> I requested It on the site
[01:25] <kklimonda> nice - care to share some thoughts about it?
[01:25] <kklimonda> when?
[01:25] <BUGabundo> and then asked about it on #ubuntuone
[01:25] <BUGabundo> and got approved
[01:25] <BUGabundo> QUICK
[01:25] <BUGabundo> just 1 or 2 hours ago
[01:25] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it's a poor DropBox clone
[01:25] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's open!! ;)
[01:25] <BUGabundo> until they add all wishels and bells
[01:26] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: aren't they trying to create something like mobile me?
[01:26] <BUGabundo> DP is better
[01:26] <BUGabundo> dunno
[01:26] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: did they approve it because of the fact you got a membership?
[01:26] <BUGabundo> maybe
[01:26] <BUGabundo> not sure
[01:26] <kklimonda> ;)
[01:26] <BUGabundo> do I already have the cloack?
[01:26]  * BUGabundo starts to enjoy Member Powers!
[01:26] <kklimonda> i don't think so ;)
[01:26] <kklimonda> :D
[01:27] <BUGabundo> want an invite?
[01:27] <kklimonda> yeah - i'd like to check it out
[01:27] <kklimonda> maybe it would be worth writing few words on my "blog" ;)
[01:27] <BUGabundo> just a sec
[01:28] <BUGabundo> filing a few bugs on it
[01:28] <BUGabundo> eheh
[01:28] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375762
[01:29] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375762
[01:29] <BUGabundo> hey bot... not far being faster then me
[01:30] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/366271
[01:31] <Pici> !offtopic
[01:31] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: send me your email on pvt
[01:32] <BUGabundo> so I can try to invite you
[01:32] <BUGabundo> Pici: sorry
[01:32]  * BUGabundo mutes on U1
[02:26] <thiebaude1> bug 375253 is fixed for me
[02:26] <BUGabundo> typo
[02:26] <BUGabundo> Places not Palces
[02:26] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: thanks, i didn't even notice that
[02:27] <BUGabundo> I find bug on anything, not just code
[02:27] <BUGabundo> :)
[02:27] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: i dont know that much, but wish i did, about code
[02:27] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: how do i change my nick
[02:28] <kklimonda> thiebaude1: type /nick new_nick
[02:28] <BUGabundo> grrr kklimonda beated me to it
[02:28] <thiebaude1> ok thanks
[02:29] <thiebaude1> it still has the 1 after my name
[02:29] <BUGabundo> heeheh
[02:29] <thiebaude1> lol
[02:29] <thiebaude1> :)
[02:29] <thiebaude1> brb
[02:31] <thiebaude> back
[02:54] <thiebaude1> BUGabundo: you still there
[02:54] <BUGabundo> still
[02:54] <thiebaude1> i found a bug
[02:55] <BUGabundo> one?
[02:55] <thiebaude1> yup, in evolution
[02:55] <thiebaude1> evolution crashes when i goto edit> then preferences, then it quits
[02:55] <thiebaude1> crashes
[02:57] <BUGabundo> again
[02:57] <BUGabundo> just one ?
[02:57] <BUGabundo> LOL
[02:57] <thiebaude1> haha
[02:57] <BUGabundo> "the force is weak on you,friend"
[02:58] <thiebaude1> yup, im just leaning how to test things,:)
[02:58] <thiebaude1> I better goto to launchpad
[03:00] <BUGabundo> getting ready to go to bed
[03:00] <BUGabundo> just finising off, updating a bug
[03:01] <thiebaude1> ok have a good nite, im going to, its still early here 10pm
[03:01] <thiebaude1> off i go to find them bugs, lol
[03:02] <ienorand> thiebaude1: I can confirm that crash yes :)
[03:02]  * ienorand ah drat...
[03:02] <BUGabundo> night
[03:03] <ienorand> gnight
[08:15] <LordKow> grr bug 307494 is annoying sometimes
[12:04] <wirechief> getting error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-dataengines-workspace_4%3a4.2.2-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[12:04] <wirechief>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/services/applicationjobs.operations', which is also in package kdebase-workspace-data
[12:05] <wirechief> with this mornings du
[12:05] <wirechief> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:05] <wirechief>  /var/cache/apt/archives/plasma-dataengines-workspace_4%3a4.2.2-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[12:06] <wirechief> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:30] <wirechief> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375953
[13:52] <dazjorz> wirechief: those, and all of those KDE packages "can't be installed, trying to overwrite foo also in package bar" are fixable by running: dpkg --remove --force-depends bar, then apt-get -f install
[13:53] <dazjorz> it may take a while and some manual labor, but that fixes it - the maintainers ought to add the conflicting packages to debian/control but apparantly, they don't
[13:54] <wirechief> thanks dazjorz
[13:56] <dazjorz> and *somebody* broke sound
[13:56] <dazjorz> sigh
[14:04] <wirechief> dazjorz: unfortunately i tried to fix things before you gave the solution and now have myself with
[14:04] <wirechief> 18 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[14:04] <wirechief> 13 not fully installed or removed.
[14:05]  * wirechief punts
[14:05] <wirechief> im not use to getting this messed up. (groans)
[14:06] <wirechief> do i need to force install these 13 ?
[14:14] <acicula> wirechief: just means they are held back for whatever reason
[14:16] <wirechief> acicula well im losing this ball game now have 14 :(
[14:18] <acicula> wirechief: it's alpha, that happens often
[14:19] <wirechief> acicula what do you do, keep trying to rotate these around from install to remove and then back to install until fixed ?
[14:19] <dazjorz> wirechief: just do what I said
[14:19] <dazjorz> wirechief: it will work as long as you use dpkg and not apt-get, and give the --force-depends flag
[14:20] <dazjorz> wirechief: when you're done removing the packages it wants, run apt-get -f install
[14:20] <dazjorz> wirechief: it will automatically fix the rest for you
[14:20] <wirechief> dazjorz: ok will try that again
[14:21] <wirechief> dazjorz: this is what i get :( dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove bar which isn't installed.
[14:21] <dazjorz> wirechief: 'bar' is a placeholder for the package you need to remove
[14:21] <dazjorz> which is the package that's already installed, containing the files another package wants to overwrite
[14:21] <dazjorz> for example
[14:21] <dazjorz> 13:30:12 < ubottu> Ubuntu bug 375953 in kdebase-runtime "package kdebase-runtime 4:4.2.2-1ubuntu5 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kwalletd', which is also in package kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4" [Undecided,New]
[14:21] <dazjorz> run this:
[14:22] <dazjorz> dpkg --remove --force-depends kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[14:22] <dazjorz> for all packages you get that error for, then apt-get -f install
[14:22] <wirechief> ok
[14:22] <acicula> wirechief: i pay very little attention to the packages
[14:40] <RichardWolfVI> Nice, anyone upgrading to Alpha 1?
[14:44] <acicula> i am trying it, jaunty broke more then it fixes, hoping the newer kernel/xorg driver will work a bit better
[14:45] <RichardWolfVI> Yeah, I tryied the packages before hand and I'm glad the new kernel and driver fixed my main issues
[14:45] <RichardWolfVI> unfortunately I can't still use UXA
[14:46] <acicula> at this point acceleration is moot for me, a working backlight and no crashes would be nice :)
[15:14] <wirechief> dazjorz: i finally got rid of broken packages and now have this 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
[15:18] <dazjorz> wirechief: that's fine
[15:18] <dazjorz> wirechief: if you want them upgraded, you can try apt-get dist-upgrade, or install them manually with apt-get install
[15:18] <dazjorz> wirechief: should you be using karmic really? it's in pre-alpha state...
[15:18] <dazjorz> or alpha 1 now I think
[15:19] <ienorand> wasn't a1 on the 14th?
[15:19] <wirechief> dazjorz: i have the intel graphics chip and am trying to help with bug fighting on it, karmic is going to be the fix for intel bugs (we hope)
[15:20] <charlie-tca> yes, ienorand
[15:20] <charlie-tca> it is still the 13th, though
[15:20] <dazjorz> wirechief: okay
[15:21] <wirechief> dazjorz: it means i have to carry a suitcase full of bandaids and learn more tricks than i currently know...thanks for your help
[15:21] <dazjorz> np :)
[15:21] <dazjorz> good luck
[15:22]  * wirechief looks in pocket for rabbit foot
[15:56] <acicula> wirechief: it works better for my intel gma4500 for sure
[15:57] <acicula> backlight is allover the place, but at least i can set it to a high(er) setting
[15:57] <RichardWolfVI> still downloading...
[15:57] <acicula> i just updated
[16:00] <wirechief> acicula if you dont have this yet, you can get it here : sudo wget -Nc https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates/+files/xserver-xorg-video-intel_2.7.1-0ubuntu1~xup~1_amd64.deb
[16:00] <wirechief> acicula also there are 386 arch's there too.
[16:02] <acicula> ah yeh i'm on 2.7.0 still
[16:55] <billybigrigger> alpha1 tommarow already? geez
[17:00] <ienorand> Yea, how time fly, almost wonder about the half-year schedule...
[18:09] <wirechief> intel freeze bug still affects me even with 2.7.1 xserver-xorg-video-intel :(
[18:10] <RichardWolfVI> wirechief: Which freeze?
[18:10] <wirechief> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/359392
[18:11] <wirechief> RichardWolfVI: i am ok with exa but not uxa
[18:18] <RichardWolfVI> mee too
[18:29] <wirechief> ah a new bug.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/+bug/376118
[18:39] <RichardWolfVI> OK, no showstoppers :D
[18:51] <ienorand> RichardWolfVI: You joined *The Karmic*
[18:52] <ienorand> *append "?"
[18:53] <thiebaude> hi
[18:53] <ienorand> thiebaude: hello
[18:53] <thiebaude> wassup ienorand
[18:54] <thiebaude> ienorand: i got to upgrade to 9.10 again
[18:54] <ienorand> not much, looking at some glitches here and there...
[18:54] <thiebaude> yea, lost internet earlier
[18:55] <thiebaude> ienorand: you use evolution?
[18:55] <ienorand> thiebaude: ah, no fun, like when the life support system fails... bad stuff that...
[18:55] <RichardWolfVI> ienorand: Yes
[18:55] <ienorand> thiebaude: nah, I'm on thunderbird...
[18:55] <thiebaude> ah
[18:56] <ienorand> mostly since I can migrate the profile quite easily between win--ubuntu
[18:56] <RichardWolfVI> I notice the About Ubuntu item in the System menu is missing
[18:56] <thiebaude> bug 375800
[18:57] <ienorand> thiebaude: oh, that one I can confirm I think you mentioned it here before and I got the same crash when I tested... I think....
[18:57] <thiebaude> ienorand: you think i should dual boot 9.04 and 9.10?
[18:58] <ienorand> thiebaude: if having a working computer is important, YES.
[18:58] <thiebaude> ok then i can do more testing
[18:58] <ienorand> Yea, that evolution bug I can confirm.
[18:59] <thiebaude> ok, thanks ienorand, i discovered that last nite when i setup evolution
[18:59] <thiebaude> i wanted to load images in email, so i went to preferences from the edit menu
[18:59] <setuid> Can someone tell me the "correct" way to get RID of metacity from being launched every time GNOME starts? I want sawfish to be my default WM, but every time I set it, or kill off metacity and launch sawifsh, and then do 'gnoem-session-save', it launches metacity when I log in.
[18:59] <setuid> Is the metacity binary hard-coded in the gnome-session startup now?
[19:00] <setuid> I changed it in gconf-editor too, and that's ignored as well
[19:00] <thiebaude> ok guys bbl iam going to setup a dual boot between 9.04 and 9.10
[19:01] <thiebaude> ienorand: one last question, should i setup programs after i upgraded to 9.10?
[19:02] <thiebaude> things like flash, java,etc
[19:02] <setuid> oops... So anyone know? Is it impossible to switch window managers in GNOME now? Is it all hard-coded?
[19:02] <setuid> Everywhere I've changed it (~/.xsession, gconf-editor, /etc/gdm/*, etc.) it still falls back to metacity
[19:03] <ienorand> thiebaude: I don't know... I mean both new installs and upgrades are good to test out.
[19:03] <d1b> setuid: startkde ?
[19:03] <setuid> d1b, nada
[19:03] <setuid> d1b, No KDE on this machine, can't do that.
[19:03] <d1b> oh well ^^
[19:03] <thiebaude> kewl
[19:03] <crdlb> setuid: you tried /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager ?
[19:03] <thiebaude> ok, then i goto go and do a little work now
[19:03] <crdlb> (note that it must refer to a desktop file name, not a binary)
[19:04] <setuid> crdlb, Not in my gconf registry
[19:04] <setuid> lemme try something... back in a sec.
[19:06] <setuid> crdlb, That didn't work... so instead, I just renamed /usr/bin/metacity to /usr/bin/metacity.orig, and symlinked it back to /usr/bin/sawfish... which now works. Hacky, but effective. metacity is just too hard-coded in every binary now.
[19:06] <setuid> It's a shitty wm, no function whatsoever.
[19:06] <crdlb> it's not hardcoded at all
[19:07] <setuid> it's tangled into EVERYTHNIG
[19:07] <setuid> You can't get rid of it
[19:07] <crdlb> how do you think the switch to compiz works?
[19:07] <crdlb> it's not
[19:07] <setuid> I've modified every single place I can think of, short of editing binaries, to stop metacity from being launched
[19:07] <setuid> It still launches it
[19:07] <setuid> it's hard-coded -somewhere-
[19:08] <crdlb> did you set that key to Sawfish with a capital S?
[19:08] <setuid> Nope, because Sawfish has no desktop file, and metacity was there with a lowercase anyway, so I followed that convention
[19:08] <setuid> There should be an EASY way to change window managers, some gui or some selection process
[19:09] <setuid> having to run things like dpkg-reconfigure --config x-window-manager (also does nothing), and edit files like ~/.xsession and the gdm wrappers, change the pointers in gconf, etc. is not a viable way to do that.
[19:09] <crdlb> ok ...
[19:09] <setuid> None of those approaches worked, metacity still launched.
[19:10] <setuid> The only way I could stop it from launching, was to do the rename/symlink trick, or chmod 0000 /etc/init.d/gdm, and run startx from a shell, with the appropriate ~/.xinitrc set up.
[19:10] <setuid> Both clunky and hacky
[19:11] <crdlb> according to apt-file, sawfish installs: /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/Sawfish.desktop
[19:11] <crdlb> which means that 'Sawfish' should work, afaik
[19:12] <crdlb> I gui for this would be nice, yes (and easy to make)
[19:12] <setuid> I'll rename the metacity binary back and see if that works
[19:12] <setuid> Seems 3G pppd is also broken, so my WWAN card won't latch up
[19:12] <crdlb> meh, maybe it looks in /usr/share/applications/
[19:13] <crdlb> if that's really needed, then the sawfish package should be fixed to install one there too
[19:13] <setuid> /usr/share/gnome/wm-properties/Sawfish.desktop
[19:13] <crdlb> yeah, but I don't think it looks there (since the metacity one is called metacity-wm.desktop)
[19:13] <BUGabundo> hi fellow ubunteros
[19:13] <setuid> Ok, let me give this a test
[19:15] <ienorand> Hia BUGabundo
[20:23] <dazjorz> hmm, heh
[20:23] <dazjorz> looks like pulseaudio is making crackling sounds, and esd is only playing on my left speaker :/
[20:25] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: the crackling is a known prob
[20:27] <rski> also
[20:27] <rski> sounds have stopped working only on youtube
[20:27] <BUGabundo> yep
[20:27] <rski> but gnash works thou
[20:27] <BUGabundo> or it plays but video hicksup
[20:27] <rski> but not in high quality
[20:27] <rski> it can't switch
[20:27] <BUGabundo> hhehe
[20:27] <rski> or HD
[20:27] <BUGabundo> I could last time I tried it
[20:46] <dazjorz> gnash has some problems with youtube HD
[20:46] <dazjorz> but sometimes it *only* works with HD, weird :P
[20:46] <dazjorz> but it's slow, very slow, too
[20:46] <dazjorz> one side of me wants to get the source and see if I can improve gnash, they probably have some junior-jobs laying around
[20:47] <dazjorz> the other side of me thinks: I have enough to do already :P
[20:50] <BUGabundo> is anyone else with 64bits flash, being asked to install/upgrade flashplugin?
[20:55] <dazjorz> I have 64-bits flash, don't remember if it was upgraded
[20:57] <BUGabundo> I just got it
[20:57] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache rdepends flashplugin-installer | pastebinit
[20:57] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/171891/
[20:57] <BUGabundo> depends on restrited extras
[20:57]  * dazjorz updates
[20:57] <dazjorz> is it working etc? :)
[20:58]  * dazjorz isn't getting any flashplugin update
[20:58] <dazjorz> ii  flashplugin-installer                      10.0.22.87ubuntu2                        Adobe Flash Player plugin installer
[20:59] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy flashplugin-installer
[20:59] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 10.0.22.87ubuntu2
[20:59] <dazjorz> already upgraded then
[21:00] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I still get the gnome-do-plugins prob
[21:00] <BUGabundo> should I reopen the bug?
[21:01] <dazjorz> just noticed
[21:01] <dazjorz> pulseaudio only plays the left speaker, too
[21:01] <dazjorz> and the right speaker does work, just checked
[21:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: number?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> really?
[21:01] <BUGabundo> let me open exail
[21:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I wish I had that good memory... maybe Firefox awesome bar knows it
[21:03] <BUGabundo> my audio comes from both speakers
[21:41] <kklimonda> hmm.. i was wondering - are there any rough estimates how much does ubuntu development and maintenance cost Canonical? I remember Mark saying that Kubuntu was costing him 2M per year..
[21:42] <SwedeMike> kklimonda: I'd guess ubuntu total is at least 10MUSD a year
[21:42] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I think you got the wrong number
[21:42] <BUGabundo> that's how much Mark said he donated to the KDE project
[21:42] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: hmm.. not to Kubuntu specifically?
[21:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: (12:26:09 PM) sabdfl: i worked out the other day that i personally spend more than $2m a year supporting Kubuntu and KDE
[21:44] <kklimonda> ya, it was both kubuntu and kde
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:49] <BUGabundo> you are fast on log searchs
[21:49] <kklimonda> I knew where to look for it
[21:52] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: weird, I'm in windows now and it works fine on both, when I reboot I only get sound on my left speaker, maybe it's some broken volume contro
[21:52] <dazjorz> l
[21:53] <BUGabundo> maybe
[21:53] <BUGabundo> check $ alsamixer
[21:54]  * dazjorz will be back in ubuntu soon probably
[22:01] <BUGabundo> dazjorz: come back to us!!!! don't leave
[22:04] <dazjorz> BUGabundo: :D
[22:04] <dazjorz> I won't ;)
[22:31] <LordKow> dangit just spent half an hour accientally compiling vlc 1.1.0 git when i meant for 1.0 rc
[22:32] <BUGabundo> LordKow: lol
[22:32] <BUGabundo> I didn't even knew 1.1 was in the git
[22:33] <BUGabundo> I was there this morning and only got builds for rc
[22:33] <LordKow> yea they just changed it a couple days ago now that 1.0 is rc
[22:33] <ienorand> LordKow: do you also have sound issues in current Karmic btw?
[22:33] <LordKow> ienorand: im using virtualbox in karmic so i cant say for certain but sound is definitely acting different than jaunty
[22:33] <LordKow> i think they just published pulse 0.9.15 a couple days ago
[22:34] <BUGabundo> LordKow: to karmic?
[22:35] <ienorand> yea, I can't get no sound in vlc, and openarena sound fails a while into the game (latter is a horrible showstopper bug :) )
[22:35] <LordKow> BUGabundo: yes
[22:36] <LordKow> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio
[22:36] <rski> LordKow: why link that?
[22:37] <LordKow> rski: because it shows that pulseaudio has gone through major updates the last week'ish so sound problems are to be expected
[22:38] <BUGabundo> LordKow: it's a mess and dtchen knows about it
[22:38] <LordKow> well you asked if i was having sound problems and my response was yes and i know why :)
[22:38] <LordKow> and im sure chen knows
[22:41] <ienorand> Any idea to start filing bugs on that then?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ienorand: more??? poor daniel
[22:54]  * ienorand likes the latest xkcd take on bug triaging...
[22:56] <BUGabundo> ienorand: link?
[22:58] <rski> xkcd.com