| andreasn | p | 12:03 |
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| thorwil | hi. what a great day. just lost my job. well, in 4 weeks, to be exact | 12:46 |
| andreasn | thorwil, ouch, sorry to hear that | 12:48 |
| andreasn | where do you work? | 12:48 |
| thorwil | andreasn, a call center not worth mentioning | 12:48 |
| andreasn | do you do any graphics design freelancing? | 12:49 |
| thorwil | andreasn, no, last time it looked like i might, the client went away | 12:49 |
| andreasn | I get requests for various things from time to time from various people. I don't have the time or interest to do them myself | 12:50 |
| kwwii | thorwil: ouch, sorry to hear that | 12:51 |
| andreasn | and the gnome designers I used to forward them too are now fulltime employees or super-busy with their current freelance missions | 12:51 |
| andreasn | so if you're interested, perhaps I can recommend you next time something comes up | 12:52 |
| thorwil | andreasn, sure i am interested. always depends on the details, of course. thanks for the offer :) | 12:53 |
| kwwii | http://sinecera.de/theme2_carbon.png ...any ideas for improvement? | 12:53 |
| thorwil | kwwii, i'd flip the scrollbar, because as is it looks like the slider belongs to the right edge, not the actual scrollable area | 12:55 |
| kwwii | thorwil: hrm good idea...it was supposed to look like it comes out of the left part and extends above and into the window...that clearly didn't get through :p | 12:56 |
| andreasn | one thing I liked about the XP and OSX scollbars are that they seemed to be made out of the same material as the area that they are scrolling | 13:01 |
| andreasn | http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/17670/flock-drafts_inline.jpg | 13:01 |
| andreasn | http://img.skitch.com/20090323-qewg1fxje8tqmj9qj4d61mjj2b.jpg | 13:01 |
| andreasn | I'm not saying you should do this, but it might be worth considering | 13:02 |
| andreasn | in general, most GTK+ apps seems to threat the scrolling area as a completely different control than the window with padding and lines between it | 13:02 |
| thorwil | yeah, a mistake, i think | 13:03 |
| SiDi | I personnally find the osx ones ugly | 13:03 |
| andreasn | so the effect might be hard to achieve without a bunch of glade editing and possibly some changes to GTK+ itself | 13:04 |
| kwwii | well, if we would switch to blue everything would be much easier | 13:19 |
| andreasn | SiDi, ugly or beautiful, they get some of the physicalish design stuff right | 13:24 |
| andreasn | thorwil, I recall mpt was unhappy about that behavior as well, so maybe we should grab a GTK+ developer and look into how we can fix that (and how much work it would be etc.) | 13:34 |
| thorwil | andreasn, sure. i would add the bigger issue of hard-coded spacing between widgets. that just belongs to theming, especially with increasingly diverse devices | 13:36 |
| andreasn | I'm not sure how that is related. Shouldn't the space always be zero? Anyway, I think people are looking into the other issue already | 13:37 |
| andreasn | David Zeuten and David Madely (?) | 13:38 |
| thorwil | andreasn, well, having a gap or not having a gap next to scrollbars is related to spacing | 13:39 |
| andreasn | you mean if some themes want to do it wrong? :) | 13:39 |
| andreasn | hm, yeah, sure | 13:40 |
| thorwil | heh, sure. the more wrong and terrible ugly themes can be, the better, as it likely also means there's space for good stuf :) | 13:40 |
| kwwii | so, once again...http://sinecera.de/theme2_carbon2.png | 14:16 |
| zniavre | the rebirth of ubuntulooks ? | 14:29 |
| kwwii | zniavre: nope, just some stuff i was playing with | 14:48 |
| kwwii | thorwil: can you take a look at the wallpaper brief? I think it is ready but maybe you can find something to improve: http://sinecera.de/karmic_wallpaper_notfinal.pdf | 14:49 |
| SiDi | Canonical should recruit thorwil imo :] | 14:50 |
| thorwil | was busy, garden work | 16:18 |
| thorwil | kwwii, reads very familiar ;) | 16:21 |
| thorwil | kwwii, Implementation page could be a good place to point to the SVG and XCF templates | 16:22 |
| thorwil | kwwii, i'd drop the Color Palette page. it's so ingrained by now, many will conform, anyway. but you should embiggen the chance of pleasant surprises | 16:23 |
| thorwil | kwwii, but if you keep it, consider placing the palette image to fit with the "Use warm colors ..." paragraph from the previous page | 16:25 |
| thorwil | kwwii, don't you think the slogans should be in the brief? | 16:43 |
| * thorwil -> dinner | 17:54 | |
| thorwil | back | 18:35 |
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